Ousted as Gay, Aging Veterans Are Battling Again for Honorable Discharges.

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:23:38 -0400

When the Army discharged Pvt. Donald Hallman in 1955 for being what it called a “Class II homosexual,” the 21-year-old was so scared of being an outcast that he burned all his military records, save for a single dog tag he hid away.

Mr. Hallman, a coal miner’s son who sang in a church choir in rural Alabama, says he never mentioned his military service again. He married a woman he had met at work, had children and wore a suit and tie to work each day.

“I hid it because it would have ruined my life,” Mr. Hallman said in an interview at his home here.

But this summer, Mr. Hallman, now 82, retrieved the dog tag from a keepsake box and began working through an application to the Department of Defense, asking that his decades-old discharge be upgraded from “undesirable” to “honorable.”

“I’ve gotten to a point in my life where no one can hurt me now,” he said. “I don’t care who knows, and I want to show I was an honorable person.”

He is one of a steady march of older veterans who were kicked out of the military decades ago for being gay, and who are now asking that their less-than-honorable discharges be upgraded.

By some estimates, as many as 100,000 service members were discharged for being gay between World War II and the 2011 repeal of the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. Many were given less-than-honorable discharges that became official scarlet letters — barring them from veterans’ benefits, costing them government jobs and other employment, and leaving many grappling with shame for decades.

Now, emboldened by the gay soldiers serving openly in the military and the same-sex couples finding broad acceptance in civilian life, they are increasingly seeking amends.

“After all these years, I want to tie up loose ends,” said Jim Estep, 80, a retired professor in Buffalo, who was given a less-than-honorable discharge in 1964. “It’s a way of getting the government — that faceless entity — in some way to acknowledge the authenticity of my life and my contribution to the country.”

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A 2011 Obama administration policy generally grants an honorable discharge to any veteran who was kicked out for homosexuality unless there were “aggravating” factors, such as misconduct. Records from the Department of Defense show 80 percent of the nearly 500 requests submitted since 2011 received an upgrade.

But for many it is far from an easy fix. Tracking down decades-old records and getting an upgrade can take years. Many veterans hire lawyers, and some veterans groups have asked for the process to be streamlined.

“It’s really frustrating,” said Becca von Behren, a staff attorney for the San Francisco organization Swords to Plowshares, which provides legal assistance to veterans. “If a veteran needs health care from the V.A. and it takes so long to get an upgrade, the veteran can really spiral down.”

A bill in Congress, known as the Restore Honor to Service Members Act, would grant blanket upgrades to nearly all veteran discharged for being gay, but it has been stalled in Congress since 2013, and backers say it has little chance of moving forward this year.

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In the 1970s and 1980s, upgrading service records was the battleground of gay activists. Today the requests are coming from everyday citizens.

“These stories are buried deep; it can be traumatic to dredge it up again,” said Lori Gum, an organizer at Stonewall Columbus, a gay community center in Ohio. She has helped six veterans start the upgrade process in the past year, including Mr. Hallman, but said three were too troubled by the past to finish the application.

The United States military’s punishment of homosexuality dates back to the Revolutionary War. Historians say Gen. George Washington personally ordered that a young officer be “dismiss’d with Infamy” and literally drummed out of Valley Forge, pursued by a fife and drum troop.

Starting in World War II, the military treated homosexuality as a mental defect rather than a crime, but still purged gays with quick discharges.

Through the 1980s, military investigators, usually working in pairs, employed long interrogations and threats of public humiliation to coerce the service members to confess and name names.

“They put me in a hospital room for three or four days, no contact with anyone before questioning me,” Mr. Estep said in a phone interview.

He had graduated from the United States Naval Academy with a future senator, John McCain, and was flying fighters off a carrier in the Pacific in 1964 when the Navy discovered a letter he had written to a gay friend. He soon found himself seated in a small room facing a pair of agents who thumbed through folders of documents.

“They said they knew everything about me, which now I suspect was a lie,” Mr. Estep said. “They had rifled through my room and gotten my address book, and told me they would call everyone in there and their employers and tell them what was going on.”

Mr. Estep, who was slated to join the astronaut program, signed a confession that ended his career.

Mr. Estep applied for an honorable discharge twice in the 1960s and was denied.

Even as attitudes in the United States started to change in the 1980s, military practices lagged.

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Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2015 9:29 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:29:28 -0400

If that was the reason for the discharge, and it very often was, they should be changed.

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Sep 8 at 2015 9:32 AM

SCPO David Lockwood — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:32:44 -0400

Best of luck to all of you. Thanks for sharing.

Response by SSG Leo Bell made Sep 8 at 2015 9:53 AM

SSG Leo Bell — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:53:51 -0400

I really don't have and input on this one because I'm a strong Christian and I have gay people in my family. I love them just the same as others but I don't like there choices they have made. I know my nephew is like that and my cousin is like that and I use to live with her in Carolina and I had walked in on her and her girlfriend. I had to bleach my brain after seeing that (not literally). But to each his own and I still respect them for there service and the sacrifices they made. I don't see any harm in giving them what they deserve, they earned it.
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Response by SSG Leo Bell made Sep 8 at 2015 9:54 AM

SSG Leo Bell — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:54:36 -0400

Some more good news about the VA. Things are starting to look up.

Response by SSG Leo Bell made Sep 8 at 2015 9:59 AM

SSG Leo Bell — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:59:34 -0400

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Response by SSG Leo Bell made Sep 8 at 2015 10:05 AM

SSG Leo Bell — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 10:05:23 -0400

SpcWilliams
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Response by SSG Leo Bell made Sep 8 at 2015 10:06 AM

SSG Leo Bell — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 10:06:04 -0400

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Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Sep 8 at 2015 10:41 AM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 10:41:40 -0400

Another subject that I have mixed feelings on. Since homosexuals are now allowed to serve openly it seems wrong to continue to screw up someone's life because of something that is now legal.

Response by SSG Donald Mceuen made Sep 8 at 2015 11:19 AM

SSG Donald Mceuen — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 11:19:10 -0400

It was the law at that time so i don't think they should change the outcome

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Sep 8 at 2015 11:33 AM

LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 11:33:55 -0400

I saw that in the paper yesterday. I hope they can all get their 214's updated to reflect the change in viewpoint.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Sep 8 at 2015 12:45 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 12:45:06 -0400

All “Class II homosexual,” discharges need to be changed to honorable, no matter what the law was at that time because they Supreme Law of the Land the US Constitution is primary, but was not respected at that time.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Sep 8 at 2015 1:05 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 13:05:20 -0400

Time to end the bigotry, hatred, and confusion. Allow these men to be what and who they are, and welcome them as Vets.

Response by CW3 Eric W. S. made Sep 8 at 2015 1:13 PM

CW3 Eric W. S. — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 13:13:29 -0400

So does this mean that every law that changes will result in a change in conviction? If that was the rule at the time, there is no reason to change the outcome from that time. Every service-member knew the regulations and service policy. Just because the rules are different now, that does not change what the rules were then.

This would open the doors to anyone that was booted for weight control, since the weight standards have changed. It would also allow for PT failures to be upgraded, since the PT standards have changed. What is next, every adverse action overturned, simply because we are a more PC nation? Where does it end?