Posted on Mar 8, 2014
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Should new Soldiers prior to reporting to their first duty station be allowed to remain in with permanent profiles?  When i enlisted in 2000 I never heard of a permanent profile for two years.  Why is there so many in the training recruitment world that we receive Soldiers on temporary and permanent profiles before their first duty station?  Will the Army turn this into a rotating door to reduce the force?  Can the Army survive with a bunch of broke 18-25 yr olds???
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I am curious as to why you think a leader is better depending on their PULHES. I've met many people who thought they were leaders because they got a 300 apft, but in fact couldn't lead themselves out of a wet paper bag, while a Soldier may not be able to run, but at the same time appears more like a Soldier than one who does cardio all the time. What is your opinion and correlation between the quality of a leader and their ability to do pt?
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I couldn't agree more SFC Rosenlund. I believe there should be a more strick more in debt into permeant profiles tho. If a soldier is hurt get treated. I have no issues there. When you have people who are playing the system and there's plenty out there. I think there should be a harder process for permeant that's all.
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And that is where we can agree. You are absolutely right. Some doctors want to start the process without documented evidence that the problem can't be corrected.

Those that are playing the system will truly spoil your thoughts about profiles in general. Have faith though. Eventually the true colors of those type of Soldiers comes through .
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Just because someone is "strong" (not the hardest thing in the world to max an APFT) does not make them smart. Said Soldier could have gotten picked up by automatic promotion, been a shit bag and got smoked all the time (how he/she is able to max APFT). Just using this as an example of course. <br>
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SGT (Join to see) - exactly, in my 35 years I've seen plenty of "PT studs" who were garbage soldiers. Especially bad in the guard. I knew one guy, 5'6" 130 pounds. always maxed the PT test but he couldn't hump a 40 pound ruck for 1/4 miles without falling out. Put him in combat with a full load and he would be practically worthless. But he was the golden boy of the unit because he could run fast and do PU/SU....
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<p>Because an individual has a permanent profile does not make them less of a leader, any more than it makes&nbsp;an individual that can score 300+ a better leader. Do not lump an individual with a permanent profile into that category because you may have experienced an individual like that in your personal dealings. I had a permanent profile on my knees for the final 6 years of my career, the only thing I could not do any more was run great distances, this did not mean that I did not perform the other tasks associated with the jobs that I held. That is an individual thing that one does or does not chose to do, I have seen plenty of individuals that did not have permanent profiles do the very things you chose to associate with profile holders, simply put a bag of shit is a bag of shit whether they are on profile or not. I and many like me still had experience and skills that the Army valued in wanting to keep us around. I would worry more about the individuals that do not have the discipline to live the Army Values and continue to disgrace the uniform that they wear than those that honorably serve but may not be able to run anymore or do a pushup or a sit-up because of an injury or illness that they suffered while serving.</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "TREAT 'EM ROUGH!!!"</p>
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<p>SGT Swanson,</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Apparently you have a real misconception in regards to the Permanent profiles.&nbsp;I for one have been on a permanent profile since 2005. As you can see from my picture, I have been serving proudly and have had no issues that have stopped me from&nbsp;performing my job and deploying. I have had cancer, 3 major hip surgeries as well as a couple of minor surgeries. I'm still capable of running with my soldiers, motivating them everyday and leading from the front. The&nbsp;fact that I have a P2 profile is basis enough for you to think I should be removed from the military. Not a single one of my Doctors think I should be removed from the Military and they surpass you in rank and experience for the Army.</p><p>There are numerous other Soldiers that should be removed from Military service, prior to those on permanent profiles. If the profile renders you incapable of doing your job in the Military, that is one thing. But if an individual is still capable of performing their job while on profile, there is no reason to push them out. Lets push the Soldiers that are the trouble makers out. The soldiers that don't want to be in the military and those that are just a drain on the unit, push them out of the Military.</p>
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That would be a great idea to push them out. The Army says that they can't just let people get out because that's when great soldiers who have had a terrible experience in the fees years they've been in will get out.
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two shoulder surgeries, 7 knee surgeries all service related. I've been P2 for L since 2005 and P2 for U since 2008. Since then I have deployed twice, mobilized multiple times, help company command and been Battalion/Brigade staff officer as S2, 3 and 4.
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