Planet Fitness, Transgenders, and changes in Army Policy

2015-03-09T12:31:42-04:00

Let's start this off with a quote from our Constitution that we have sworn to uphold and defend:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause

Many of you have likely heard the story in the news about a woman being kicked out of Planet Fitness for being judgmental due to a transgender woman (pre-OP) was using the female locker room.

Davenport, a transgender activist, states in the article that the female in question had a legitimate argument as did the transgender woman. She also suggested that having individual changing rooms would go a long way to rectifying this issue, and also hopefully to cut down on possible sexual assaults from males attempting to abuse this situation.

As someone who is Libertarian minded I want all people to be treated equally and I see an unequal situation being portrayed here. If Planet Fitness has in their established policy that anyone should be respected for their transgender identity, then they have a requirement to make those people feel welcome, and also those members who may not accept it.

I have seen the arguments on each side that say things in the realm of "This tranny shit is unnatural" and "This person was born a man and is a man period" as well as "This is where things are going and people just need to tolerate it or get the hell out".

Neither of these approaches is right in my opinion and we should be trying to find methods that work with all peoples and all views, but intolerance breeds more intolerance. This is obviously an issue that will be brought forth within the military, whether for the good or ill of readiness or the mission. How do we deal with this properly?

http://www.wnem.com/story/28278233/planet-fitness-drops-member-after-gender-identity-complaint

Planet Fitness' policies called into question after gender identity complaint

It's a business that sells itself on being non-judgmental, but Planet Fitness' polices are being called into question after it allegedly revoked the membership of a woman for complaining.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Mar 9 at 2015 12:46 PM

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Men are men, women are women, it is a matter of genetics. Removing and replacing parts or enhacing others does not change that fact. That is the operating reality. Who you think you are or feel you are in not relevent when compared to who you actually are.

As for Planet Fitness, if they had an ounce of decency, and clearly they do not, they would have a mens and womens locker room and an "other" that has private showers or dressing areas so the confused humans can use it without encroaching on the 99.9% of the rest of the population.

I would not want my wife/daughter in a locker room with a man, who thinks he is a woman but has mans equipment roaming around in it clothed or naked. It doesn't take much imagination to see how sexual predators could use that policy to go after women does it?

They are putting women at risk by allowing men to roam the women's locker room in the name of not being judgmental. The first woman that gets sexually assaulted by some guy acting like he is transwhatevered will likley shut their doors. The lawsuit will bury them.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2015 1:50 PM

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The problem I see with the restroom issue is that not all transgenders are attracted to the opposite sex. Even male to female pre-op TG can be attracted to females. The argument of a "lesbian trapped in a man's body" is a notable argument among some TGs. There needs to be a line drawn with regard to facility usage. There was a separation for a reason.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2015 3:16 PM

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Lets just change bathrooms signs to PENIS and VAGINA. Problem solved everyone is happy.

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Mar 9 at 2015 4:01 PM

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I generally find myself not agreeing with either one of you on this topic as I feel the "It is happening, just deal with it" mentality is not really an accepting way to go about this either.

Would either of you care to weigh in on what you think an acceptable and fair solution to the integration of the forces would be?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2015 4:08 PM

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Curious, related, but a little off topic / trolling.

Assume this individual that is genetically male but believes they are female were in the military. Based on the planet fitness incident and if we were to agree with their model, we should view this person as female since that is how they identify, and therefore be allowed to use a women's facility regardless of appearance or genetics.........now ....should their PT test be based on the male standards since they are physically a male, or the female standards since they identify with being female?....

Ready...set...Troll!!!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2015 4:41 PM

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I think it's only reasonable:

Male parts- Men's locker room
Female parts- Women's locker room

Feel uncomfortable undressing in front of other people with similar parts? Use a damn stall.

Planet Fitness can do what they want. If they want to provide a separate area for pre-ops, kudos. In my opinion, it would be a token gesture demonstrating their "tolerance".

"Planet Fitness is committed to creating a non-intimidating, welcoming environment for our members. Our gender identity non-discrimination policy states that members and guests may use all gym facilities based on their sincere self-reported gender identity."

Sincere, huh? Most Americans can't even distinguish between the words "sex" and "gender" yet. How in the world would this fit into a business plan without sounding ridiculous?

It can't.

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Mar 9 at 2015 4:43 PM

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I think Planet Fitness is wrong. What ever happened to the rights of those of us who are not transgender? The only person who knows what is going on in the brain of any transgender person is that transgender person. So whether or not they honestly identify themselves as being male or female; only they know. How does anyone know a male isn't just claiming to be a transgender female so that they can perv on the ladies in the locker room? Since there really is no way of knowing, we should be erring on the side of the non-transgender females because they have a right not to be perved on by males in their locker room.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2015 5:03 PM

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I know I am getting old. I have a problem with just being able to say I identify as a woman and therefore I am entitled to use the women's facilities. Just saying I am a (anything) does not make me one.

That said, if a person does feel so much like he/she is actually a she/he and goes through the process of actually changing his/her gender I think the resulting person should then be considered the new gender. Until then the use of the opposite facility is , to me, a distinct invasion of the privacy of the other people using the facility.

So, hence forth I am going identify as a millionaire and I expect you all to treat me as such.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2015 5:25 PM

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It should have been simple... Woman: Sir, why are you in the woman's locker room? Transgender: I am transgender and identify as female. Woman: Oh, I didn't realize that.

The end.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2015 5:29 PM

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My question to the original question is why is it even a question here? That we should treat people with dignity and respect should be a given. Now, when it comes to applying civilian norms in the MILITARY is another thing. The military in it's very nature should be discriminatory and intolerant of certain proclivities and behaviors that may be accepting within regular society. Not everyone is fitting to wear the uniform and able to carry out the duties that come along with it.

I find it disturbing that people believe that they are entitled to certain rights and privilages within the military that are "normal" in the general population.

Through out history, the best military forces consisted of those who were willing to forgo most of the rights and privilages of the common people to serve to protect it. Along with it came the willingess to undergo rigourous mental and physical training in order to endure the harsh realities of combat.
We should never forget that. The military is not the place to be trying to accomodate or please everyone and fashion it to be like civic society.

Example in point, there is a Sikh business student that is fighting to join the ROTC program in his area, but does not want to comply with US military grooming standards stating it is against his religion. The military's main purpose (wether you like it or not) is for WAR. Everyone knows when they went to bootcamp that they were striped of their civilian identity and broken down to be built up as a cohesive unit. That is what makes a force strong in its basic form that sets us apart from civilian mentality. We all have to meet the same standards and to insist on having the military adapt ( mind you I did not say respect) or accomadate to your own culture and belief should not be tolerated; for it undermines military standards and culture and tradition. Which inturn affects morale and basic standard operating procedures to the lowest level. This leads to an ineffective fighting force. When you start to allow a proletariat mindset to permeate military culture and doctrine, it starts to erode the military discipline and might just like termites eat away at a foundation.
Look at how the mightiest militaries known in history ceased to be such. It all started when their military began to be fashioned to fit into the way the regular populace saw fit.

And that is my long winded two cents on that.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2015 6:24 PM

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Not to be mean or anything but please show me a real inscciodent that a cis male pretended to be a transgender female Just to be a creep. I have never heard of this happening Because it has never happened. Cis people just use this excuse because they are afraid of the unknown.

Now you can start bashing at my opinion. But please don't use the "l'm librail (spelling)" because I am not one

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Mar 9 at 2015 6:43 PM

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I definitely am not saying "you" are boring, but this transgender, same sex marriage, military acceptance, is getting old to me. I'm old school, so my beliefs should be obvious, and besides, we have no input to what the government will or will not do inless it is on the ballot. I am married to "born that way" woman, raised my children, one left to go, and have tesigned myself not to argue a point where there are no winners, only hope is to break even.

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Mar 9 at 2015 7:31 PM

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I think if all 250,000+ of us here on RP could agree on any one subject we could possible create some changes, but as long as probably 200,000+ have different opinions, well what can I say?

Response by MSgt Bj Jones made Mar 9 at 2015 7:38 PM

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Thank you for posting this article. We have a fairly new Planet Fitness here, and we had thought of perhaps switching from Anytime Fitness. Thanks to this article, I'm glad my husband renewed our Anytime Fitness membership. I don't see what the woman did wrong in reporting the transgender. As far as she could tell, a man came in while she was in a compromising situation. Maybe instead of reporting, she could've started screaming RAPE!!! That may seem extreme, but in giving transgenders and those 'self-identifying' the right to enter facilities they would not normally be permitted to go into, haven't we gone too far in the opposite extreme? What about Yvette Cormier's rights as a paying member and natural female to not have the embarrassment of being seen in state of undress by a person born (and still displaying the image and physique of) a male? Planet Fitness should be glad she simply reported the incident and tried to warn other women. She could have been a licensed weapons holder and freaked out. I can guarantee if a woman went in to the changing area where my husband was changing and used the "I identify as a man" excuse, it won't go over well with me. If people want such openness, and facilities want to support it, they need to make private bathing areas.

Response by SPC Jonathan Sellers made Mar 9 at 2015 7:40 PM

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The psyche evaluation should weed out all transgenders. If a person becomes a transgender, they should be discharged. Not honorably, not dishonorably, but just discharged. Anything that is such a distraction to recruiting, training, and maintaining a constant state of readiness should be considered unacceptable by military standards.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2015 1:38 AM

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You were closest to the mark in your opening. No STATE shall make a law. The gym is a private business, not a state actor. They can do whatever the hell they want - until congress abuses the commerce clause againg they way they passed civil rights legislation (which I agree with the results not the method). I can say that I fall in the line of thought that transgenderism is a mental disorder. I do not believe you have a fundamental right to choose your genetalia.

That being said, as private company it's simple, let them have their policy. I'll never do business with them because I stand in principle. I don't want the government telling them to do or not to do what they did. I'd rather the market speak. Private vs public.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2015 2:06 AM

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I'm a 4 star general trapped in a SFC body. Accommodate me.

The world is upside down right now. I’m shocked how something so simple is being debated over.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Mar 10 at 2015 5:02 AM

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During World War II, I am sure these same conversations were being held regarding African American service members, as they were throughout the country up to and even after the Civil Rights movement.

Just because you don't understand or like something does not make it illegitimate or make believe.

Trans Genderism is a real issue. Despite people's beliefs in the situation, almost no-one is purely binary on the gender identity scale. We are all analog - that is we fall somewhere on a spectrum. When you add in genetic issues, it gets more confusing.

Take, for example, a man with Kleinfelter's. He has XXY instead of XY on his chromosomes. The extra X creates havoc with him, he has an abundance of Estrogen, is often sterile, and has significant emotional issues. Or, how about the "super female" with XXX. There are myriad such variations, and most go undetected during the life of the person.

This is not to say that all Trans-Gendered people have genetic issues, but as a way to show that there is a spectrum -it's not JUST M or F.

Trans-Gendered people may be attracted to people of their identified (as opposed to birth) gender, or to the opposite gender. Gender Orientation is NOT linked to Gender Identity.

As I stated elsewhere on RP, while I have great understanding and compassion for TG and all people, I am not sure that a pre-op TG person should be able to be in the military. There are just too many things going on. Even after transition, it becomes an issue for things such as hormone maintenance. Although, that's not a super huge issue, as many Cis-gendered people, myself included, are on hormone maintenance due to low counts.

As far as the Planet Fitness case, a Pre-Op TG person is NOT going to be in the locker room of the identified gender for purposes of sexual assault, being a predator, or anything else. Also, keep in mind that there are Gay men in the men's locker room and Lesbians in the women's locker room, whether you know it or not. If someone is attracted to one of their own gender, are they now a predator and a threat to you?

Yes, there are bad apples out there. But, DO NOT automatically presume that someone with a different gender identity or orientation than you is a predator. Most sexual predators are Cis-gendered, straight men. Do we ban them because of this? Of course not...

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2015 7:04 AM

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Tolerant and fair are mutually exclusive.

Tolerance refers to restraint in spite of the presence of something considered negative or toxic (e.g. Alcohol Tolerance) without addressing the underlying issues. It suggests that even though one feels something that they have to just push it all down and present neutraility and acceptance instead without addressing the root issues.

And so, if someone is being "tolerant" of a difference in another person instead of adjusting their perspective how can they possibly be expected to act fairly? The problem with tolerance is that tolerance is a poor patch job with limits, and eventually it gives. On both sides.

Screw "tolerance." I prefer to treat people well because they are people, because it's just, and I do not do it "because it's the socially accepted thing to do." I'm far more interested in dealing with individuals that are affected by a problem and working to help however I can than with solving " a problem" with some well turned phrases, legislation, and/or social programs targeted at some demographic. Because we all know how much that option accomplishes in the long run.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Mar 10 at 2015 8:14 AM

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And then we will go to "Starship Troopers" style locker rooms where it just a "people" locker room.

Now that I think about it, that might actually prevent the "towel-less retiree holding a 20 min conversation with another towel-less retire" that seems to happen every time I go to the base gym's locker room.

Response by SSG Leonard Johnson made Mar 10 at 2015 10:47 AM

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Look...As a Communist and a Democratic Liberal....I'm a woman in a mans body....I don't want transgender changing rooms....I want my ladies changing room.....plus it's a good way to get some phone numbers.....giggles

Response by PO1 Autumn Sandeen made Mar 10 at 2015 12:45 PM

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I'll comment on the issue I find interesting:

I read Christian social conservative leaders, such as the Family Research Council's Tony Perkins, commenting that we need religious freedom protection bills for business owners who want to have the freedom not to choose to serve LGBT community members -- such as the freedom to not make cakes for same sex weddings.

Here we have a business that's made the business decision to accommodate the gender identities of a subcommunity of the LGBT community, and suddenly were talking about bills that mandate which bathrooms and locker rooms transgender people can use.

We talk about freedom only in the context of the freedom for people to do what we agree with.

Let me quote what civil rights pioneer Bayard Rustin stated about gays in his 1986 essay From Montgomery To Stonewall:

"'[H]omosexuality' remains an identity that is subject to a 'we/they' distinction. People who would not say 'I am like this, but black people are like that,' or 'we are like this, but women are like that.' or 'we are like this, but Jews are like that,' find it simple to say, 'homosexuals are like that, but we are like this.' That's what makes our struggle the central struggle for human rights. If gay people do not understand that, the do not understand the opportunity before them, nor do they understand the terrifying burdens they carry on their shoulders."

Substitute "transgender" for "homosexual" in that paragraph, and that's where we are in 2015. People will believe and say trans people will do the most horrible things in women's restrooms and locker rooms because most people don't know any trans people -- the "we/they" distinction is definitely manifesting itself here.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2015 2:43 PM

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I am still trying to figure out how we became a country of Minority rule instead of majority rule. It has always been the majority rule is the norm, but somehow we got to where the minority seems to be the rule of the land now. You have a very small portion of the country holding everyone else hostage and the PC left/right has lost their minds trying to make everyone happy. I have always been the type of person to do my own thing and not follow the group(not a lemming) but our country seems to be stuck in this mode of the lemmings looking for the cliff!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2015 3:22 PM

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I agree with Sgt Erin Wilkins. Whatever "parts" you were born with - that's the room you use. Period. If your mental status or whatever else tells you otherwise - well life ain't fair. If you were born with a penis you are considered a "male" and will use the male's restroom, shower, changing room, barracks, etc.

Expecting businesses and taxpayers to fork over millions, if not billions of dollars to make separate rooms for all or extra rooms for transgendered is outrageous.

I really don't care if a man thinks he's a woman...but if he was born with a penis he is a male, and even if he hacks it off - he's just going to have to learn to live with that label. A line has to be drawn somewhere.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2015 3:43 PM

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If you tell people they can only use the bathroom that cordienates with their biological sex then you will get all more people in the women's restroom that look like men (trans men ). So what will be stopping a regular male from walking into a women's facility and creeping on women while he clams he was born a women and he has transition.....nothing is stopping them from walking into the wrong "sexs" facility. It will only get worse if you deny trans people the right to use the facilities that corrispons with their gender

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 1:54 AM

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Wait till they start pushing this to the military…and it will……..Will they just be able to decide which type ASU uniform they were, one with slacks or one with a skirt, seems to me, it an easy fix…… if you look down and see something dangling, well the you were pants, if you look down and there is nothing there, well in the case you were the skirt. This should have been done this way for years…….. ohhh wait it has. I am tired of all the PC-BS and seeing us have to cater to the VERY VERY few that this effects. If the effects are they bad, request a discharge so you can dress how your mind tells you that you should be dressing.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 11:57 AM

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If you try to please everyone, you'll end up pleasing no one. You're always going to have that fear of having an EO complaint whether you're being tolerant or not. You can't make special accommodations to a certain group as a leader. You wouldn't treat female soldiers differently than a male soldier would you? Now, you may approach situations differently depending on the person, but not necessarily because of their gender and that's ok. People respond to differently to different leadership styles. Regardless of what you believe about "transgender" people, a soldier is a soldier. As an Army, it looks like we're just going to have to tolerate it. Treat your soldiers equally and there should be no issues.

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Mar 12 at 2015 12:34 AM

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Transgenders have a psychiatric diagnosis in DSM V, gender dysphoria. Blacks, women, and gays that once said would destroy us have all done well in the military however there is not a related mental disorder to being any of those. Transgenders deserve to be treated as human beings but risking their mental health further by sending into a combat zone does not seem wise. We do not let asthmatics join or send insulin diabetics into combat, why would we treat gender dysphoria any different?

Response by PO2 Terri Myre made Mar 12 at 2015 10:38 AM

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This will be very blunt and to the point. If I'm in the locker room, showering, etc.....The LAST thing I want is to see a wang. I don't care if you're "in the process". DO YOU STILL HAVE A THIRD LEG???? Yes? Then take your behind in with the other guys. Plain and simple. This person should have to make arrangements to go back to their own house and shower until their "transformation" is complete. smh

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Mar 12 at 2015 10:46 AM

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CPT Zachary Brooks , Respectfully, I don't see where that Constitutional quote comes into play. It clearly says "No State shall make or enforce any law...." and "...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property..."
Planet Fitness is NOT a State, it is a privately owned company that should be able to make such accommodations, or not, based on their business model, their community relations, and their revenue.

The Constitution exists to define, and limit the powers of government, not of millions of businesses, or hundreds of millions of individual persons.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Mar 12 at 2015 11:04 AM

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The Olympic Committee uses DNA to determine a person's sex for the purposes of competition.... That is an alternative open to the Military. Not so much for Planet Fitness though....

Response by CPT Karen Nichols McAbee made Mar 12 at 2015 2:45 PM

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We had this same situation (transgender, pre and post-op) in my office (civilian job, post Army life). How our company handles it is the best I've heard so far. Transgenders must "live" as their new gender for a lengthy time period prior to surgery as part of the process. During that pre-op/living as a woman period, this individual was required to use the guest (individual) latrine facilities by the security guard's desk at the entrance to the building, instead of using the larger facilities on each floor. As physically still a man, the ladies room was not appropriate, but dressed/living as a woman made the mens room unappropriate as well. Once the surgery was complete, she was then open to use any of the ladies rooms in the building. Yes, this person complained about the inconvenience of going to the first floor every time to use the facilities, but every other woman in building was respected by not allowing a still physically male into the ladies room. A letter was sent out to every woman in the building explaining the situation, both pre and post surgery, so everyone would be aware, and hopefully more tolerant.

On a side note, she didn't elect to have the surgery to shave down her Adam's apple - its still a bit unsettling to see a tall woman with a big Adam's apple standing next to you at the sink when you're washing your hands... it takes some getting used to.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2015 3:54 PM

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How about no more Perverted Communal Showers and everyone keep their Private Parts private.
Build stalls in men and women gym locker rooms so people can shower and change in a stall. Anyone walking around/standing naked showing off their private parts should be fined and charged with city/state indecent exposure laws/codes.

If you were born with male private parts then go to male locker room and if you were born with female private parts then go to female locker room.

This is 21st century, grow up, keep your clothes on and learn some decency.

Response by SPC Jonathan Sellers made Mar 12 at 2015 6:40 PM

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Here is a link that shows women who dressed like men back in the Civil War. We will always have anomales in the system. There will always be people who for one reason or another, need to break the mold. The problem lies not in their motivations, but that the military has a process called: "Basic Training" or "Boot Camp" or any other name which labels the indoctrination process for turning civilians into militants.

The question here isn't whether or not the anomale can perform to the standard as the normal person, but whether the system can handle the anomale. The system in this case is the Planet Fitness gym, and also the other system, the military. Everyone in the military system gives up their individuality so that they can become a part of the larger system. This is the way it has been for thousands of years. The Planet Fitness system is not as well established, and is therefore tossed around by the winds of change a bit more easily.

The anomales here are the transgenders. People who are born a specific gender, but identify psychologically as the opposite gender. It seems to me like these people are more interested in their individuality than being a part of the larger system. Rather than accommodate the individual, the individual needs to adapt to the system. That's it.

When it comes to the harassment in the locker rooms, or anywhere else, people need to be free from sexual advances according to the rules of the system. If Planet Fitness has a no sexual contact/language provision in its membership forms, then they should enforce that. The military has a fraternization policy and does enforce it. Yes there are the incidents which go unreported, and incidents that are covered up, but those are separate issues from the larger policy.

This entire notion of accommodating the anomalous members in our society has gone way too far. The pendulum will swing back to a place where the normal people don't have to walk on egg shells around the flamboyant, in your face, activists who seek to change everything in society to exclusively benefit themselves. Hopefully this will happen soon, so that we can all get back to our normal lives.

The women who fought as men: Rare Civil War pictures of female soldiers who dressed up as males...

Union cavalryman Jack Williams (pictured) fought in 18 battles and was wounded three times. So it came as quite a surprise when he was revealed to be mother-of-three Frances Clalin.

Response by CW3 Craig Linghor made Mar 12 at 2015 8:17 PM

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Who cares??? Why are we even having this conversation???

Response by COL Charles Williams made Mar 13 at 2015 1:46 AM

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Interestingly... I had to deal with this as a Commander...

Retired Male Soldier... working as GS employee, who dressed like a woman, was the road to becoming a woman, had changed his appearance and his/her name, but was still a man anatomically... He/She was like 6.5 inches and 300 lbs. so he stood out of the crowd, which did aid in discreteness.

The women did not feel comfortable with this person in their bathroom, nor did the men. This individual did not want to use the men's room, they wanted to use the women's room.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2015 10:38 PM

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Yuck. Planet fitness. Isn't this so called gym supposed to be the no bully or no judgement zone?

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Mar 25 at 2015 9:38 AM

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Well, she filed a lawsuit. No surprise there.

http://danaloeschradio.com/planet-fitness-hit-with-lawsuit-over-claims-of-hostile-environment-for-wome

Planet Fitness Hit With Lawsuit Over Claims Of Hostile Environment For Women And Children | Dana...

Cormier alleges that Planet Fitness has created a hostile environment to women and children because they will be forced to share locker rooms with...

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Apr 7 at 2015 2:33 PM

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I think these issues become even more complicated when one considers a person can end up on a sexual predator list in 12 states for urinating in public, and for engaging in (consensual adult sex) prostitution in 6 states. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/08/mapped_sex_offender_registry_laws_on_statutory_rape_public_urination_and.html

Response by A1C Chris Pointer made Jun 21 at 2021 12:23 PM

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I used to work at planet fitness and I can tell you first hand they do not actually care about anyone past them making money.

But a similar situation happened in the gym I worked. A 16 year old who identified as a male was using the male locker room and was undressing. All the men left and one came and told us a girl was using the men’s locker room. I can understand other sides. The compromise made was that the 16 year old would be able to use one of the tanning rooms to change and then they could put their things in the male locker room.