Playing Taps is disruptive?

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:23:17 -0500

What is RP's thoughts on this?

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Feb 12 at 2015 9:48 PM

SGT Jim Z. — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:48:27 -0500

I agree with SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas I think that is a mistake. The playing of these bugle calls are tradition and time honored and family members need to be reminded of this. When I hear Taps I pretty much cry remembering friends that paid the ultimate sacrifice. I think the commander of Tyndall AFB best grow a pair and re-instate the playing of these traditions.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 11:03 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 23:03:04 -0500

I personally think that it is a complete disrespect on the part of the family members and I also put the blame on the service members for letting the complaints begin. The Installation and Garrison Commands need to be less concerned with the complaints and stand for what is right.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 4:59 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 04:59:06 -0500

Being in an MOS (military occupational specialty) that is only assigned to aviation brigades, I sympathize with the shift workers. I'm fortunate that I only work during the day when in garrison, but there are Soldiers in our flight companies who sleep/work at all hours of the day. They shouldn't have to move off-post in order to get a full 8 hours of sleep without hearing a cannon go off.

They're still playing the bugle calls in operational areas, so what difference does it make if they just turn off the speakers in the housing areas?

Response by SGT Michael Ryan made Feb 13 at 2015 5:57 AM

SGT Michael Ryan — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 05:57:38 -0500

Today's military is filling up with some whiney bitches!! Glad I got out while there were still a few people with sense running things.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Feb 13 at 2015 6:08 AM

Cpl Jeff N. — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:08:23 -0500

Sounds like it is time to relieve a base commander. He/she clearly is not up to the challenge. These are the types of soft heads running things these days. Let's worry about a few complainers more than our traditions and rememberance of lives lost in the defense of this nation.

Why don't we stop flying all of those noisy air craft too, I am sure someone is bothered by all of the noise they create. I hope this is a joke, if not, where is the next level commander telling the base commander to grow up.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 6:41 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:41:50 -0500

It would be SO different if their post were:
In an effort for the understanding of our heritage and the sacrifices of those who came before us, we'll be giving Army History classes for free. Hoping to minimize the whining and complaining of our on post residents.

Response by SrA Jonathan Carbonaro made Feb 13 at 2015 6:55 AM

SrA Jonathan Carbonaro — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:55:58 -0500

This is an Embarrassment. You can't blame this on shift workers, I am a shift worker. Its not a hard thing to work around. It sounds like some Dependas complained enough that the Tyndall commander bowed to their demands.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 6:56 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:56:19 -0500

Taps is a tradition that must never go away, otherwise those who made the ultimate sacrifice will have done so in vain.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Feb 13 at 2015 8:08 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:08:11 -0500

This seems to be one of those "good intentions, bad execution" ideas. While I can understand the purpose is to allow the shift workers time to sleep, Reveille and Taps should never be just tossed aside or limited to a section of a base.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 8:34 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:34:09 -0500

This is the kind of PC crap that drives me insane. Your not paying any utilities, you are conveniently located close to your work, and most places you don't even have to do your own yard work.

If you don't like the bugle, move off post!

Response by PO2 Jonathan Scharff made Feb 13 at 2015 8:39 AM

PO2 Jonathan Scharff — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:39:29 -0500

I for one, do not want to "minimize the impact" of hearing taps played. Like others have stated it is a solemn moment each day that still brings a tear to my eye thinking about those who paid the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom! When will all these ridiculous policies end? I fear for our servicemen and women and our nation in general.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 8:43 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:43:23 -0500

Seriously? Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot. I hope there all Soldiers on that post speak up. If I ever hit the lotto I'll blast it every day and night on my property.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 8:44 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:44:37 -0500

WOW!!!!!
This Base Commander should be relived.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 8:51 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:51:04 -0500

This is disappointing. If they don't have respect for the tradition, why not just move off base? Simple solution

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Feb 13 at 2015 9:46 AM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:46:43 -0500

Without knowing fully what is going on here, my reaction is that this sets a bad precedent and I don't like it.

Response by SPC Joshua H. made Feb 13 at 2015 10:54 AM

SPC Joshua H. — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:54:01 -0500

Have been thinking on this fo a while...and really... I just cannot see how a base commander would think this is the right choice.

You are in the military, respect it.

You are a military family, might not be your favorite thing, but respect those that have come before your soldier/airmen/marine/seamen and quit complaining about something like this.

I hate how sissified this country is becoming, and a lot of it has to do with the PC incursion into our daily life. People feel they have to bow to the minority just because they are the loudest. People need to stand up for what is right and quit blowing in the wind.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 11:21 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:21:57 -0500

I assume Tyndall AFB doesn't have any form of aircraft on it. Otherwise, the noise from the jets might cause some families in housing to complain to the base commander. SHUT YER PIE-HOLE! That's the sound of freedom and it's time to stop allowing the pink-panty wearing "me-me-me" types to take over a culture that, quite frankly, doesn't care all that much about your personal schedules. Figure it out. Oh, and if you ask not to run by the housing areas in the morning in formation, you're going to find 600 Troopers singing about C130's, drill sergeants, and army chow tomorrow at 0630 doing laps around your house. I grew up on Army posts and I was woken up at 0630 every day by the sounds of infantrymen swearing to high heaven about anything from napalm sticking to kids to all kinds of fornicating with the local population. Now we can't play bugle calls on post. The military is not there for your convenience. Quite frankly, it's the other way around and we need to stop placating the first person that comes along and says that they don't like the color green.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 12:04 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:04:22 -0500

Ridiculous. Shift workers can invest in ear plugs and blackout curtains if their sleep is being disrupted that much.

Response by PO3 Paul Anderson made Feb 13 at 2015 12:11 PM

PO3 Paul Anderson — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:11:29 -0500

The base commander should create a proactive PR campaign that explains the significance of these traditions. Have active duty/members visit schools and get on the agenda of the various town board meetings. They will get their 10 minutes to speak and explain the reasons. Then when the few crybabies complain the rest of their neighbors will tell them to sit down. I haven't been in uniform since the earlier 90's. If I lived near a base I would make my kids stop and turn toward the flag in our yard.

Response by TSgt Tim (lj) Littlejohn made Feb 13 at 2015 12:51 PM

TSgt Tim (lj) Littlejohn — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:51:27 -0500

Well since most all military bases started out in deserted, or low population areas. Than the area was built up later. They knew what they were getting into, especially the playing of Reveille and Taps. So shut the hell up!

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Feb 13 at 2015 1:13 PM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:13:58 -0500

And it this kinda PC political BS that is wrong with TODAY'S Army!

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Feb 13 at 2015 1:17 PM

Sgt Adam Jennings — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:17:02 -0500

I guess Cherry Point should stop flying jets and helicopters too then. What a crock of bull, if you don't like the noise then don't live near a military base. That base commander has no spine.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Feb 13 at 2015 1:17 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:17:44 -0500

Wow, really?! SMFH.......

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Feb 13 at 2015 1:19 PM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:19:32 -0500

Personally sounds like a bunch of snot nose whining and crying to me.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 1:24 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:24:08 -0500

WOW, Just WOW! I grew up on military bases until I was 16, I loved the sound of Taps and Reveille, plus living at Ft. Hood, Listening to the range music at night was also great. Maybe why I went into Armor in the Army in the first place. This is totally dis-respectful to our present and past troops!

Response by SFC(P) Tobias M. made Feb 13 at 2015 2:20 PM

SFC(P) Tobias M. — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:20:12 -0500

What is next? You have this and just the other day someone asked RP what their stand point is on making a married E5 pull CQ duty on Valentine's Day. We have things the way they are for a reason. I started working for New York Life. The biggest reason for them bringing me on board is due to the process the military teaches.

Take one part of the process away and everything will turn upside down. Even small things. This is a tradition and a respect item that has been around for longer then most of if not all of us have been in the military. "If it not broken don't fix it"

We need to start being the military we once were and forget about this PC BS. We are not supposed to be PC. We are supposed to be strong and have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for what is right. We as a nation need to grow up and stand up for what our forefathers did before us and for us.

I am sorry but I am so sick of hearing crap like this. It is getting way out of line.

So again I ask RP,,,,,, What is next? What is it? Really

Thank you all for letting me rant. This has been a subject (PC BS Not Taps) that has been a thorn in my A$$ for some time now.

Response by SSG Christopher Parrish made Feb 13 at 2015 2:27 PM

SSG Christopher Parrish — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:27:50 -0500

How about we ask the roughly 600,000 American service men/women who have died in battle what they think about this issue?

Oh wait, they have already given their answer!

Response by SPC David S. made Feb 13 at 2015 2:33 PM

SPC David S. — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:33:08 -0500

I guess adding a cannon shot in the morning is out of the question? What's next? No more scrambles?

You're getting soft Air Force.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 2:35 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:35:41 -0500

I saw this the other day. I had to reread it just to make sure I was reading it correctly. I think that it is absurd for them to do this. It should be an honor to have the privilege to wake to the sound of the reveille, if the family doesn't like it move them off post. And how can you not play Taps? That is out of respect. I am new in the military, but I am highly disappointed with Tyndall AFB. It is really starting to bother me, that the military is starting to cater more to the civilian, than to the actual service members. But that is just my opinion.

Response by SFC Dan Sorrow, M.S. made Feb 13 at 2015 2:43 PM

SFC Dan Sorrow, M.S. — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:43:53 -0500

Reflecting on my active duty career, I can only remember hearing reveille, retreat, and taps when I was standing outside my base quarters. I never heard it from the inside.

I can't say it would have bothered me if I had heard it. The bugle calls serve a purpose in our military history.

I was reading a post a few weeks back and someone had complied in a response about why the Army dress blue coat and pants are different colors and wondered why they weren't made the same color. I just shook my head.

For those who don't know, they represent the army cavalry soldiers. The jacket and pants were the same color, but the jacket was usually stowed away because it was too hot. Over time, the pants faded due to wear in the sun and cleaning but the jackets held their color from being stowed away.

Military history involving bugle calls and uniforms mean so much. We need to remember where we've come from and honor those who have made our freedoms possible.

When their loved one passes and the cemetery doesn't allow the playing of taps because it will inconvenience others in and around the cemetery, will they respond with understanding? Probably not.

And who knows, we may be blowing bugles again some day?

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 2:48 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:48:03 -0500

Seriously??? That's like people who live near an air station complaining about planes flying over. "C'mon man!" Geez. I'm frustrated with the commander who went along with that.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Feb 13 at 2015 6:56 PM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:56:25 -0500

Well, this made the AF Times already!

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/02/13/airmen-outraged-after-tyndall-nixes-taps-reveille/23352783/

Airmen outraged after Tyndall nixes 'Taps,' reveille

Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida has decided to stop playing "Taps" and reveille in and near residential areas -- and airmen are furious.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 8:29 PM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 20:29:39 -0500

As it was explained at basic Taps is a memorial. Any family member who has lost someone should know what that means and why it is played. Anyone who has a spouse or child who complains should explain it to them so they understand. What happened to a proud heritage? Recite the creed a few times and remember why we play it daily.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 8:33 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 20:33:26 -0500

BLUF: If you don't want to hear the bugle calls throughout the day and night....move your ass off post. There are milltary traditions and some of those traditions include paying honor to those service members who have fallen. If you have no concept of that and no understanding....then the further you move from the installation the better.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 8:54 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 20:54:22 -0500

ahhhhhhhhhh Hell No!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 9:02 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:02:02 -0500

IF I understand correctly, the music is is disruptive to those on shift work? Most off shift or reverse shift workers are ON SHIFT when taps is played. Most normal shift workers are just winding down when Taps is played. Where is the disruption?

I would think Reveille and To The Colors would be more disruptive. Maybe the post should abolish those as well! (Sarcasm intended)

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Feb 13 at 2015 9:23 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:23:53 -0500

I left active duty in 1972 and still miss the daily rituals, the bugle, the canon, rendering honors to the flag at sunrise and sunset.

Shame on this base commander...

Response by COL Charles Williams made Feb 13 at 2015 10:41 PM

COL Charles Williams — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 22:41:01 -0500

That is just awful... Those things faded away many places, and many places have made a concerted effort to bring back these traditions. Families and shift workers are part of that family, and hence part of the tradition... What were/are they thinking.

Response by SSgt Brian Rogers made Feb 14 at 2015 1:58 AM

SSgt Brian Rogers — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:58:21 -0500

If you're a shift worker in the military, you should be able to sleep almost anywhere and through a lot of different sounds. I only get the privilege of doing shift work when I'm in the field and right now that usually involves a tent very close to an aircraft ramp where aircraft can be moving at all hours of the day and night. I find that the noise helps me sleep more than it hinders it. Reveille won't even wake me up and taps wouldn't disturb if I'm asleep before it plays.

Response by 2d Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2015 4:43 AM

2d Lt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 04:43:36 -0500

Sounds to me like we need to call the wahmbulance for all the people who can't sleep through 2 minutes of something that honors military heritage.

I knew a spouse who wouldn't stop or show any kind of respect for the anthem. "I ain't in the military I can do whatever the hell I want!" Guy was such a jerk.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Feb 14 at 2015 3:07 PM

1LT Nick Kidwell — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:07:57 -0500

If I were on the base, I would INSIST that they play it in my neighborhood. It's the military, and we need to be reminded of the sacrifices of those who have fallen, as well as maintain military traditions.

Dang Tyndall AFB...

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2015 3:08 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:08:57 -0500

I don't understand why people see Taps or Reveille as such a hindrance. Its giving respect where respect is due. I lived in the dorms and Reveille always woke me up when I worked swings. I was ok with that. I rolled over and went back to sleep.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2015 3:35 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:35:21 -0500

Not sure I understand the need for this. Are people truly disrupted in their daily lives by this on a military base that once in the morning and once at night Reveille (Navy base here does the National Anthem) and Taps are played?

What shocks me most is that, and I'm just guessing here, someone wrote or called or maybe several someones wrote or called complaining how this was ruining their lives. I mean, heck, I'll trade you. I'm a mere Reservists who works 45 hours a week, goes in on the weekends to drill (worked 38 hours over last 3 day drill), then goes back to work another 45 hours while working on my graduate degree. I'll live on base and listen to that. While you live off base. We'll trade bills for a few months.....

I'll gladly hear the sounds that made our country strong, that made us great, that made us....the U.S. United we stand, divided we fall.

I worked nights forever as a cop. FOR. EVVVVVVV. VER. Guess what. You figure it out. We darkened the bedroom, did other things to make it quiet. It was off post, certainly that's one thing but to see this is disheartening.

Response by 1SG Steven Stankovich made Feb 14 at 2015 4:28 PM

1SG Steven Stankovich — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 16:28:07 -0500

One of the things that I will always remember about being stationed at Fort Knox was the traditional bugle calls. From Reveille to first formation to chow to Retreat, it was great. I still remember sitting on CQ and making my rounds and hearing Retreat sound. To think that current service members, veterans, or family members think that those calls are disruptive is very disheartening to hear.

This may or may not be fair, but did anyone ask those who are buried in our cemeteries if they think that the playing of Taps is disruptive?

Very disappointed in this decision.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2015 4:54 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 16:54:35 -0500

They posted this the day after:

“Tyndall proudly observes Reveille at 6:30 a.m., Retreat at 5 p.m. and Taps at 9:30 p.m. every duty day. These time-honored traditions are an important part of who we are, and how we pay tribute to our nation, the patriots who have served before us, and those currently serving in harm’s way. However, in order to take care of our Airmen executing the 325 Fighter Wing mission on swing-shift and midnight-shift hours, Reveille and Taps are now only being broadcast in mission areas, while Retreat continues to be played in all areas. Suspending Reveille and Taps in housing and dorm areas mitigates negative mission impacts for the Airmen charged with maintaining, servicing and guarding our F-22 fleet during non-standard duty hours.”

Response by SPC Mark Beard made Feb 14 at 2015 5:11 PM

SPC Mark Beard — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:11:33 -0500

I cant beleave that that to me is a slap in the face thats part of being in the military family

Response by MAJ David Vermillion made Feb 14 at 2015 7:04 PM

MAJ David Vermillion — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 19:04:13 -0500

There are military traditions that should remain the same, for years Reveille and Taps have been played on military reservations with little or no problems, and now we decide to change this to satisfy someone who probably complained. How far do we go to please everybody, I say that's impossible. If it's happening at Tyndall Air Force Base, it will soon come to a base near you. When we stop playing Reveille and Taps then we are losing part of our history. When will it stop?

Response by SFC Walter Mack made Feb 14 at 2015 9:27 PM

SFC Walter Mack — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:27:18 -0500

This is blown waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy out of proportion. Every time I lived on base housing, I never heard colors or reveille played. There are some areas where this is inescapable, such as living near the flag & cannon. Then you're out of luck. Regardless, this isn't a big deal to anyone but those directly affected. Let them work it out.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2015 9:37 PM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:37:41 -0500

If it is disruptive to anyone around the base, they can't cry about it because they chose to live or work near there. They can find somewhere else if they don't like it. Like another country that doesn't honor troops maybe...

Response by SPC Thomas Bourland made Feb 15 at 2015 8:59 AM

SPC Thomas Bourland — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 08:59:10 -0500

Lets see dependents live on post do not enjoy the sound of either taps or reveille it is an easy solution move away from post. Fight the disease that is political correctness

Response by PO3 Stephen West made Feb 15 at 2015 10:41 AM

PO3 Stephen West — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:41:39 -0500

Yes let's not disrupt the poor civilians that make money off of the base personnel... WTF?

Response by PO1 John Meyer, CPC made Feb 15 at 2015 11:08 AM

PO1 John Meyer, CPC — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:08:29 -0500

That's about as good an idea as making a football bat! I was a shift worker and Reveille/Taps never disturbed me! Those little cry babies at Tyndall (assuming the base commander got the idea from the complaint department) need to grow up! It's PC crap like this that makes us weak as a military.

But then, it's like one of my CO's used to say.... We (referring to the military) are a direct representation of our community and country. So in this case, the more PC minded people enlist, the more BS stories like this are going to come out.

Response by MSG Bobby Ewing made Feb 15 at 2015 3:31 PM

MSG Bobby Ewing — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:31:26 -0500

Ok. At first glance, I thought this was a joke, until I researched and found the AF Times article about this. http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/02/13/airmen-outraged-after-tyndall-nixes-taps-reveille/23352783/

After reading the article in its entirety and about 85% of the posts on this discussion forum, I'm in agreement with the majority. I really do not like this decision that has been made and would like to no more about the factors that were taken into account leading up to it.

First off, as a service member (no matter the branch) we give up certain liberties, privileges, and luxuries that are civilian population take for granted. Every duty assignment and position comes with its advantages/disadvantages. I feel the issue here, like most issues, is education. Several individuals on here have pointed out the key reasons bugle calls are played, but most don't realize that these three bulge calls don't even scratch the surface of the number of calls that could be played: First Call, Assembly, Mess Call (all three meal times), and the list goes on: http://www.music.army.mil/music/buglecalls/

FM 7-21.13, Chapter 4, para 4-28 to 4-31 breaks down the unique history of The Bugle Call. Take heed to para 4-31. This highlights, SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas' and a few others' points about respect to the fallen and those that served before us.

So back to the current era. I'm sure a lot of factors were taken into consideration before this decision was made. I just wonder what those considerations were. Before anyone lays judgment on me, take in mind, I have served on all three shifts mentioned in the article, numerous times throughout my career: AIT, Field Exercises, Overseas, etc. I can sympathize with the minority, about when a loud NOISE disrupts their sleep, rest, or whatever they do, while off-shift. But, depending on the significance of the NOISE, I made adjustments or adapted to my situation, just like so many others did around me.

Now, let's look at these factors: Reville is less than 25 seconds long; Retreat & To The Colors combined are less than 72 seconds long; and TAPS is right at 60 seconds. Yes, it's a shock at first for those that are not expecting them, but it goes away. There are ways to mitigate sounds to assist with sleep, rest, etc. It just takes EFFORT to do it, which some may not wish to do. Some may even argue it took effort to get their point across about these bugle calls on this particular installation, but I always thought the rule was in favor of the majority and not the minority in most situations involving service members. There are in some cases where the severity of certain decisions will be with the minority, but I'm not seeing in this instance.

So what were the factors taken into account, about the Airmen executing the 325 Fighter Wing mission on swing and midnight-shifts? I'm asking because I would like to get a better understanding of the whole situation and decision process. Until then, I have to let my current argument stand. Majority of individuals who work shift, find whatever pattern, battle rhythm, and schedule works best for them to accomplish a mission. Everyone has looked to see where they can get some extra sleep, or see what the minimal amount of rest they need in-order to take care of SELF. Meaning: the young service members that still go to the club until 0400 and report to work at 0630. The service member cramming for finals with every second and then resting to do the same. The SDO/CQ who sleeps all of 4-6 hours, then gets up to take care of personal errands after doing a 24hour shift. These are just a few examples and I know many of you know plenty more. If anyone has input on this article that was stated, I would love to hear more about.

Thank you for all that suffered through my posted. I'm truly sorry if I wasted your time. I pray the rest of your weekend is great. God Bless....Army Strong!

Airmen outraged after Tyndall nixes 'Taps,' reveille

Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida has decided to stop playing "Taps" and reveille in and near residential areas -- and airmen are furious.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2015 4:07 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:07:19 -0500

"Pardon our noise, it's the sound of freedom!"

Response by Cpl Peter Martuneac made Feb 15 at 2015 4:29 PM

Cpl Peter Martuneac — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:29:55 -0500

They can get rid of Reveille for all I care. It's loud and annoying, completely useless when considering that most units get up at different times to conduct whatever is on their agenda, and it's a French word *shudders*. But keep Taps, that's for respecting the fallen.

Response by SGT Marika Waiters made Feb 15 at 2015 5:18 PM

SGT Marika Waiters — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:18:16 -0500

I don't get it. Why would reveille & taps be disruptive?! People need to get lives if they're complaining about things like this. If you live in or near a military installation, you should get used to hearing reveille & taps. Period. If you don't like it, move far, far away

Response by MSgt Marvin Shockey made Feb 15 at 2015 5:24 PM

MSgt Marvin Shockey — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:24:28 -0500

What? I would leave the building in order to stand proud and salute, then go back to work. I also remember exiting my car to do the same in civilian clothes.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Feb 15 at 2015 7:34 PM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:34:39 -0500

This is retreat, but you get the idea...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UhkMwAhIOcU

Response by SFC Jason Porter made Feb 15 at 2015 8:36 PM

SFC Jason Porter — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:36:41 -0500

Well, look at the direction America is going this should be no surprise....if it is, it is time to get your head out of the hole in the ground and come to reality! I say the Pledge of Allegiance at the beginning of everyday! In my Kenworth! Time to take pride in the country we serve/served and live in !

Response by SFC Jason Porter made Feb 15 at 2015 8:40 PM

SFC Jason Porter — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:40:48 -0500

Oh and another thing when I am at home F-18s take off over my apartment everyday! NAS Oceana Master Jet Base! A lot louder then a Damn bugle! Let freedom ring hooorah!

Response by CPL Aaron Cottingham made Feb 16 at 2015 12:50 AM

CPL Aaron Cottingham — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:50:41 -0500

What I personally do not understand, would be as long as the Air Force Base has existed, why the uproar just now. If this were a straining discomfort it would have already happened, and had yet to, so why the problem now?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 1:07 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:07:17 -0500

Taps plays here at Travis and I can barely hear it at night if the TV is on.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 2:40 AM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 02:40:55 -0500

What a horrible idea, Taps is a military tradition that should mean so much to Amn, Soldiers, Marines, and any other serve; that just the thought of cancelling the tradition upsets them. This tradition is to honor our brothers/sisters that made the ultimate sacrifice, if people can not bear it for 5 minutes a day they should probably leave the military because they're in the military for the wrong reasons. I think we are still downsizing...get on it!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 11:17 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:17:23 -0500

I feel by NOT playing Reveille or Taps is just a way to ignore and disregard Tradition and History.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 7:56 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:56:04 -0500

As a dependent I've lived on installations that always sounded bugle calls AND used canons to mark the time, as a civilian I sometimes worked shift work, as a service member I live on an installation that uses bugles and canon. I can't here the canon or bugles sometimes, I've gotten used to it.

Living on an installation that uses bugles and canon, my kids have learned when and how to honor our flag by standing at attention and holding their hands on their hearts. Wouldn't trade it for the "silence" of an air force base active runway...

This is ridiculous and, compounded with other current U.S. Air Force issues, makes me wonder about the service and their leadership...

Response by Sgt David G Duchesneau made Feb 17 at 2015 5:18 PM

Sgt David G Duchesneau — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:18:45 -0500

Being a horn player, I played Taps, and still do, When I was in high school, back in the 60's, I played Taps so many times for Veterans who died in a place called Vietnam. I was honored when I was asked. I continued to play Taps while in the Marine Corps and I even played Taps while I was in garrison in Vietnam. Today, I belong to "Bugles Across America" and I still play Taps for Veterans who have passed on to their next Duty Station. I cannot tell you how many of the Veteran's families have given me so many complements and show how grateful they are that Taps is being played live during the funeral. For those of you that do not know what Taps means, here is a popular rendition of what those 24 notes really mean: There are no official words to the music of Taps but here is one of the most popular verses:

Day is done, gone the sun,
From the hills, from the lake,
From the sky.
All is well, safely rest,
God is nigh.

To answer the question, "Is Taps Disruptive?" No way in hell. It is beautiful and respectful. Of all the military bugle calls, none is so easily recognized or more emotional than the call of Taps. The melody is both eloquent (powerful) and haunting (moving) and once you hear it, you will always remember how it sounds. Today, I reside on a Lake that borders NH and ME. I play Taps every night and I can tell you that all of my neighbors appreciate and anticipate hearing me playing Taps as it echoes off the lake. SF!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2015 5:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:29:32 -0500

These are the same people who complain about the farmers spreading manure all over thier fields for the crops to grow.

These are the same people who complain about the cops, ambulance, and fire fighters going to emergency calls with lights and siren in the middle of the night to rescue their neighbor when they are in trouble.

These are the same people who complain about the train stops crossing when the barriers block the road as the train is 1/4 mile away.

These are the same people who complain about getting a ticket when parking in front of a fire hydrant or handicap parking stall.

Response by SGT Sean Sullenger made Feb 18 at 2015 3:17 PM

SGT Sean Sullenger — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:17:27 -0500

I say all traditions everywhere shyould remain as such. Morale and cohesion of units is paramount.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2015 7:00 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:07 -0500

It is a matter of tradition, not convenience. Someone of higher rank needs to reiterate the concept to he/she that made the decision not to play it in those areas.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2015 7:27 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:27:56 -0500

I live on a military post and my family doesn't mind retreat or reveille at all. Plus the occasional artillary fire from the ranges doing night training excersices. If anything it comforting to know that my fellow Soldiers are training to fight. I think hearing retreat or reveille is expected on a military base.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Feb 19 at 2015 8:01 AM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:01:03 -0500

More evidence of the erosion of military tradition for PC reasons.

I have had many complaints over the years about the playing of reveille in the morning (MPs typically control this) from military spouses, claiming that it disturbs their sleep. My typical response was that "it is the sound of freedom" and politely told them to buzz off.

I did receive guidance once from the XVIII Airborne Corps Chief of Staff to lower the volume of the loudspeakers that played reveille in the morning, because of complaints from the GO/0-6 housing area residents. I complied and turned it back up a notch each day for several days until it was actually louder than it was before. I did that three times, until they finally left me alone.

Response by SSG Keith Cashion made Feb 19 at 2015 10:06 AM

SSG Keith Cashion — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:06:37 -0500

It's a crying shame that in some places, America has returned to the Pre-War days and things like Revellie, TAPS and other songs of repect to our nation are becoming a nuisance to people. It's is also sad that you can see that a lot of people have stopped flying the Flag at their homes as well. People that were whole heartedly behind the troops and supported them, are slowly slipping back to a non-committal atitude towards the Military. Sad.

Response by TSgt Eyston Austin made Feb 19 at 2015 10:52 AM

TSgt Eyston Austin — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:52:43 -0500

That's just crazy!!! I've worked all 3 shifts as many military folks have. Even when living in the dorms, base housing, etc, I've never been waken up from sleep because of the music. That is a tradition that should not be changed. Just my .02.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2015 6:45 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:45:28 -0500

When did the Air Force start playing revellie/retreat and taps? I grew up on several bases for about 18 years until 1995 never heard it. First time I heard it playing was on a Army base while visiting a cousin. After 1995 I was living off base until commissioning in 03. Then started hearing it at my first duty station and then ever since. I was always curious when we started doing it.

Response by 1stSgt Daryl Allen made Feb 25 at 2015 11:05 AM

1stSgt Daryl Allen — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:05:52 -0500

I now Tyndall AFB has aircraft as well as other activities such as firing ranges and training areas. The playing of Reveille and Taps has been a tradition as long as I can remember (an AF Brat plus AF Retiree) and if it offends someone in the civilian community I don't care. We need to get rid of the PC and press on with tradition.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 2:19 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:19:23 -0500

No. Just no. These are played out of respect and tradition. If you don't like it, don't live near a military installation. If you do live on a military base, get over it.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Feb 26 at 2015 6:01 PM

Capt Mark Strobl — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:01:48 -0500

Military traditions should NEVER be surrendered to petty inconveniences. They are a small, yet powerful, ways that define our warrior ethos.

Response by SSgt Rilene Ann made Feb 26 at 2015 6:09 PM

SSgt Rilene Ann — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:09:24 -0500

I always liked TAPS and live near Fort Wainwright where they still play TAPS. Makes me feel good in my heart but I love the "sound of freedom" of an F4

Response by TSgt Aaron D. made May 27 at 2015 10:08 PM

TSgt Aaron D. — Wed, 27 May 2015 22:08:10 -0400

As much as I enjoyed hearing it when I lived on the installation, I believe that if you are not living on base, then you shouldn't be interrupted by this. Some folks have younger children that they put to bed well before Taps is played and this could disrupt that. You can still pay homage to our fallen heroes by a moment of silence.

Response by MSgt Jim Wolverton made Jul 16 at 2015 2:46 PM

MSgt Jim Wolverton — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:46:48 -0400

I think it's a non-issue.

Response by SPC George Long made Aug 18 at 2015 7:45 PM

SPC George Long — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:45:25 -0400

Another loss of tradition by the branch that has so little to loose.

Response by PV2 Scott Goodpasture made Oct 4 at 2015 2:31 PM

PV2 Scott Goodpasture — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 14:31:31 -0400

What's next? Not raise the flag because it makes them feel bad?

Response by PV2 Scott Goodpasture made Oct 4 at 2015 2:33 PM

PV2 Scott Goodpasture — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 14:33:11 -0400

I would now play taps in its entirety

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2015 3:06 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:06:32 -0400

Who is making these decisions... It takes away from tradition and the significance of what these things mean.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 16 at 2015 3:07 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:07:19 -0400

Infants and toddlers woken up by it don't particular care for significance...

Response by SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres made Oct 16 at 2015 5:35 PM

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres — Fri, 16 Oct 2015 17:35:33 -0400

Complete and utter bullshit, and we wonder why some people don't care about the sacrifices that some have made- The ultimate sacrifice. Yes even in military families, so members of that family could care less about the fallen.

Response by SGT Roberto Mendoza-Diaz made Oct 17 at 2015 12:50 AM

SGT Roberto Mendoza-Diaz — Sat, 17 Oct 2015 00:50:15 -0400

I guess that only would happen in the Air Force.

Response by SrA Daniel Hunter made Oct 17 at 2015 12:59 AM

SrA Daniel Hunter — Sat, 17 Oct 2015 00:59:29 -0400

Good grief!

Have you all seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me5K5gdn1n8

Tacoma 'Taps'

Every night at sundown, just south of Seattle, if you listen closely, you might hear more than just the birds. It's one man's, one-minute subtle tribute to o...

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Oct 17 at 2015 1:01 AM

SFC Mark Merino — Sat, 17 Oct 2015 01:01:46 -0400

Play it loud and proud!

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Oct 17 at 2015 1:23 AM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Sat, 17 Oct 2015 01:23:47 -0400

My comment on the poor leadership and softness is best stated by a quote from Gen. Puller.
“Our Country won’t go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won’t be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race!”
– Lt. Gen. Lewis B. “Chesty” Puller, USMC

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Oct 17 at 2015 3:30 AM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:30:02 -0400

More ammo to say the Air Force is not the military , I guess. Now if this is in a foreign country, this may be warranted.

Response by SP5 Mark Kuzinski made Oct 17 at 2015 6:58 AM

SP5 Mark Kuzinski — Sat, 17 Oct 2015 06:58:00 -0400

This is just PC. If I had a vote on this I would continue the tradition. The playing of Taps is a reminder to all of those that served and gave the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Oct 20 at 2015 8:47 AM

PO1 John Miller — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:47:51 -0400

For the butt hurt types:

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Oct 20 at 2015 7:02 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:02:57 -0400

I grew up on army posts, near air force bases, and naval bases. The sounds of the cannon, or bugle, or jets, or bands, or singing soldiers never bothered me, in fact they were a comfort to me. The idea that children are disturbed by the noise is bogus.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2015 7:25 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:25:00 -0400

TAPS was officially recognized by the US Army in 1874. It has been played at military funerals since 1848, and has been the US standard at funerals since 1891. The history, and the fundamentals taught by the repetitive bugle calls you hear on a daily basis on military posts should be a significant enough reason that they should continue to be played. I find it disturbing that anyone who understands what it means when they hear these calls would be so selfish as to claim to be angry because they were awakened from sleep. We should not throw away over a century of customs because of some complaints about sleep. What's next? Are we going to stop playing it at the tomb of the unknown soldier as well during those ceremonies?

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Oct 22 at 2015 3:31 PM

MSgt Michael Smith — Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:31:22 -0400

Personally I do not see a problem with this. You have to draw a distinction between your life as a military member and your family life. Though there is nothing at all wrong or inappropriate with revelry and retreat, I don't think that family members, who are not oath-sworn members of the military to have to be disrupted by it every day. They didn't choose that, you did. You can't expect your family feel the same way as you. Personally I believe you should leave 'work at work' as much as possible, and when you are off-duty, focus on your family and their well-being. They are sacrificing enough already by having a military parent or spouse.

Response by SPC Ronnie Smith made Jan 3 at 2023 12:39 AM

SPC Ronnie Smith — Tue, 03 Jan 2023 00:39:19 -0500

What in the actual fuck!?!