POGs, NAPs, and REMFs.

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:56:18 -0500

Was anyone actually offended by being referred to as any of these things?

When i was at Bragg an official memo came out starting the term "leg" was offensive and all non-airborne personnel would henceforth be referred to as "NAP". Now some people are offended by that term.

Response by SGT William B. made Nov 22 at 2013 12:06 PM

SGT William B. — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:06:32 -0500

MSG, I used to get annoyed whenever some combat arms guy would razz me a little for being a "POG."  After some time, it became evident to me that it was a self-confidence issue on my part, and largely, most of those guys were just kidding around.  I doubt that I'll see combat (not that I particularly want to!), but after a couple months of being in Afghanistan and seeing what end value my unit and I provide to the warfighter, I think I'm fine with someone kidding around with us a little bit.  

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2013 1:16 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:16:31 -0500

Negative! I actually still refer to myself as a POG and tell everyone that I know I'm a POG. While the combat arms guys are telling deployment stories, I'll jump in sometimes and talk about some awesome shots I had with my M16 while playing Call of Duty. Just laugh it off!

Response by SSG Matthew Thomas made Nov 22 at 2013 1:18 PM

SSG Matthew Thomas — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:18:34 -0500

NAP's are harassed a lot until you go to jump school, then you are a cherry.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2013 3:10 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:10:41 -0500

It does bother me a little bit.  By calling me a POG they have opened a can of worms that they weren't ready for. I was assigned to a light infantry unit when I was deployed to Afghanistan so I have done my fair share of mounted and dismounted partrols. So I ask them if they know how to change a pack in a M113 or M88. The answer is always "well that's not my job". Agreed, it's not their job. So I ask them, "If I can do your job as well as mine and you can only do your job, who is a more valuable asset to the Army?" Back in the day when it was almost unheard of for CSS MOS's to see combat I can see where an infantryman would be able to say something, but in today's force some MOS's see just as much time out of the wire as combat arms MOS's.

Response by CW2 John Churchill made Nov 22 at 2013 5:59 PM

CW2 John Churchill — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:59:39 -0500

Let's not forget the FOBBITS.

Response by SGT James P. Davidson, MSM made Nov 22 at 2013 7:25 PM

SGT James P. Davidson, MSM — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:25:58 -0500

I was never offended. Being a Fobbit was not by choice. I was a mechanic, and though my unit was supposed to send a minimum of two on every convoy escort, the leadership in the unit I deployed with was lacking, and we never went outside the wire, save for local test drives. We did, however, go through all of the same combat and patrol training, and could do the job, if necessary. On that note, Sgt. Ben, I would respectfully request you check your combat history: "While there's no way we could maintain the same level effectiveness in combat without support MOS's, the same would be true about removing the Infantry." During the Korean War, our Infantry was all but decimated. It was the Ordinance Corp., called in from the rear, that turned the tide of battle and caused us to close the combat actions in Korea effectively, and as the victorious force. Yes, Sgt. Ben, it was the mechanics (around 40,000 strong) that won the war for the Good Guys.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2013 7:44 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:44:11 -0500

In the Navy, the worst thing you can be called is "shipmate." You hear that and you know you are going to get chewed for something.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2013 7:45 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:45:39 -0500

These nick names are like anything else in the military. People talk about getting offended by the most ridiculous things. I stand by my opinion if it is even remotely easy for you to become offended, then what the hell are you doing in the military. It's our job to find bad people and kill them, not cry or whine about our feelings when someone tells a colorful joke or pseudonym.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2013 8:31 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:31:43 -0500

I wore my Stetson in ACU's on Sand Hill , trying to help a friend find the Knife shop that sells to the Trainee's there (Which on a side note, is a pretty stellar location).

The above listed names were pretty polite compared to what some of my blue-cord, Drill Sergeant, Brethren had to say. I smiled, we laughed briefly, and I knew the men were just displaying the pride of the Infantry.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2013 8:38 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:38:58 -0500

I remember PINGS, PITS. But never those, however.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2013 9:19 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:19:27 -0500

It never offended me.  However, when someone calls me a POG, I have to wonder if they know what that term really means.

Response by MAJ Joseph Parker made Nov 22 at 2013 9:25 PM

MAJ Joseph Parker — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:25:07 -0500

Gentlemen, gentlemen, civility please! We must be cognizant and sensitive to the feelings and emotions of our infantry/airborne/ranger/special operations-impaired and disabled brothers and sisters in arms.

1. Do they have mean names for 11Bs?

2. Don't we impose on them during off-duty hours every time we need some extravagant luxury; like a hot meal, an ammo resupply, a drop or insertion at night, or a fire mission?

3. Don't they always regard all us ground-pounders with empathy and tenderness?

3. And think about this: the last time you needed something in the field and didn't get it; it took that so-called "POG" years of tough, demanding military training to say: "negative, out".

So let's have some decorum out there in RP land! :-)

Response by CPL Butch Hogan made Nov 23 at 2013 10:16 AM

CPL Butch Hogan — Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:16:16 -0500

Nope, I still introduce myself today as a POG, after all that's what I was :)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2013 2:11 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:11:21 -0500

I think we are getting to comfortable utilizing the word offend.  I hear it so often.  I'm more of the type suck it up buttercup. These are common words in the military and if someone called me that I would simply smile.  No, never have I been offended. Everyone is worried about this "offend" word.  I hear people state that they are offended when they are called the new generation.  Really?  What kind of sensitive Army are we creating.  How in the heck are we supposed to be the best yet many get butthurt for little to no reason at all. 

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Nov 23 at 2013 3:08 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sat, 23 Nov 2013 15:08:40 -0500

I am just glad my MOS is not known to be the "Queen of Battle" lol.

Response by SSgt Matthew Goodness made Nov 23 at 2013 11:24 PM

SSgt Matthew Goodness — Sat, 23 Nov 2013 23:24:44 -0500

We use the term "Nonners" in the Air Force. Nonners are why the Air Force is seen as the "Chair Force". The term "nonner" is usually used by flightline personnel to describe those who are "Non-mission essential personnel".

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Nov 23 at 2013 11:24 PM

SGM Matthew Quick — Sat, 23 Nov 2013 23:24:59 -0500

Anyone offended?  Yes...thin skinned people. Good leaders should be self-deprecating.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2013 11:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Nov 2013 23:29:24 -0500

guys let me just say and this goes to all. We may have all different MOS's through the branchs, but when it comes down to it when the SHIT hits the fan and we all have to leave the wire we all revert back to our initial Basic Training. We get our head on a swivel and we protect our buddies backs, and when it is all said and done when the day is done we are all brother in arms and Soldiers First and job specific second.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2013 12:30 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 00:30:25 -0500

MSG, These guys and gals need to learn that the army is not the place to wear their heart or feelings on their sleeve. Just buck up and dish it back. People feed off of the aggravation of others.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2013 2:02 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 02:02:25 -0500

No.  These are simply terms the infantry came up with for people that aren't persecuted for wearing their fleece in the cold.  For you knuckle dragging non-believers, the fleece coat is like being hugged by chewbacca.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2013 8:26 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:26:25 -0500

The only one that bugs me even a little bit is Chair Force, but yes, I do see where it comes from.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2013 8:44 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:44:17 -0500

No....I am what I am. True professionals know that we are a team and have something to contribute to the team. 

Response by SFC Jason Hill made Nov 24 at 2013 4:08 PM

SFC Jason Hill — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:08:19 -0500

I didn't know I was a POG, until I wasn't one anymore. Signal, then Infantry. Didn't really care then, and I'm completely over it all now that I am retired.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2013 5:20 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:20:38 -0500

I am mixed about it, on one side I know that usually it is light hearted and meant for laughs. On others, it is meant to belittle, and behurtful. Many "POG" Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines have made sacrifices, been hurt, or killed.

Response by SSG Luis Ortiz Rodriguez made Nov 24 at 2013 9:58 PM

SSG Luis Ortiz Rodriguez — Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:58:25 -0500

Nah! Does not bother me at all.

Response by SFC James Baber made Jan 11 at 2014 11:34 PM

SFC James Baber — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 23:34:06 -0500

I think this is a good thread for those we are trying to get to join can see the substance of some things we discuss between us as current and former military, soft spoken as well as informational and mentoring types of postings.

We also have fun at times while remaining professional.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2014 4:31 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:31:44 -0500

As far as NAP?? Never been on Bragg, so never been referred by that.

As far as POG? Yeah, I've been called that to my face. Never more than once, when I point out that we're one team, one fight.

But my favorite is REMF. I'm Signal, so I'm not always in the rear, but I think we all know what the MF stands for... the last time someone called me that, my response was "You know what MF stands for...how do you know it's not YOUR mother?"

He never called me that again.

Response by MAJ Joseph Parker made Jan 17 at 2014 11:15 PM

MAJ Joseph Parker — Fri, 17 Jan 2014 23:15:22 -0500

MSG Wyatt S: Really? "Being called a "leg" is offensive? Sounds a bit PC to me. "Leg" is short for "straight leg", which refers to soldiers who get around only by walking. Since in today's Army that is almost nobody, it has evolved into meaning anybody not Airborne qualified, is it really all that offensive? I've been retired awhile, but I had no idea that today's soldiers had such sensitive feelings! It must be difficult for 1SGs and CDRs everywhere, having to deal with long lines of sobbing soldiers with bruised egos, bullied by other soldiers with jump wings who called them (gasp) "legs". Now REMF, although a classic, is at least obscene; but traditionally so.

Every soldier has chosen their specialty. Every soldier should take pride in what they do (See CW2 JD W.'s post - it is perfect). If they don't, then change specialty. The military is all volunteer and brimming with opportunity. We cannot begrudge status to those who have accomplishments and we must understand that pride and competition within our forces is healthy. Conversely, there are limits. We are a team. Competition ends at the battlefield's edge. We don't need to be racial, sexist, or talk about your mama, sister, or commanding officer. And for Pete's sake; will somebody in the Chain of Command grow a spine? NAP? How many staff meetings did it take to come up with that?

Response by MAJ Zeke Wimert made Jan 30 at 2014 7:05 PM

MAJ Zeke Wimert — Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:05:35 -0500

Re: Legs
In late 1968 in Bragg at the O'club bar on Smoke Bomb Hill, I had just gotten my SF flash. There were 3 SF Majors, myself and one other 1st Lieutenant. We are all fairly gone, when one of the Majors suggest we got down the O'Club at the 82nd Annex to insult anybody we could. We walked into the Annex about 1800. The big Major stands in front of the bar and says to the crowd: "All you leg M...F...'er out of here". We all got pretty beat up, but didnt lose my beret. Our Group Executive Officer got us away from the MP station around 10:30 that night. Last time I was involved in a "leg" situation.

Response by SPC David Beam made Jan 30 at 2014 11:44 PM

SPC David Beam — Thu, 30 Jan 2014 23:44:54 -0500

I got called a leg by a slick sleeve PFC when I first got to Benning. I laughed and laughed and asked him when he was planning on doing a combat drop downrange. The look on his face was priceless.

On a serious note, people can say whatever, and I really don't think you are allowed to get offended when it comes to MOS rivalries. I'm a tanker, and I go back and forth with scouts all day every day. If you are getting butthurt, it just means you don't have a good enough comeback.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2014 10:09 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:09:48 -0400

When I first saw NAP in the opening question, I thought it was referring to an Infantry Platoon on a 10 minute break. LMAO

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2014 11:06 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Mar 2014 11:06:52 -0400

What's REMF?

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Jul 31 at 2014 10:25 PM

LTC Paul Labrador — Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:25:41 -0400

Depends on how those terms are used. Good natured jibes. No problem. But some people really do get off on making fun of other people.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Jul 31 at 2014 10:51 PM

1LT Nick Kidwell — Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:51:47 -0400

I think people just like to be offended nowadays.

How did these people get through BCT?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2014 12:33 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Aug 2014 00:33:23 -0400

Duuurrrrhurr hurrr... Look at me!! I'm Airborne!! I went to school for two extra weeks to get a qualification I'll never use in war! duuurrrr hurr hurr!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2014 9:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:52:28 -0500

I'd rather be a POG than a REMF. At least POGs leave the relative "safety" of the FOB sometimes.

Response by SPC Jack Hunt, JR made Nov 20 at 2014 8:56 AM

SPC Jack Hunt, JR — Thu, 20 Nov 2014 08:56:11 -0500

MSG it's a sensitive military what we joked about 15-20 years ago is bullying now.

I remember my first week that I got to my unit after jump school and boy was I given a hard time for being a cherry, Red painted Kevlar and all.

To me it was just what I had to deal with to be accepted into an awesome brotherhood.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Nov 20 at 2014 9:00 AM

LTC Paul Labrador — Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:00:44 -0500

When it's all in good natured, friendly ribbing, no, I'm not offended. When I do start to have a case of the ass is when there is real condescension in those terms.

Response by SPC Daniel Edwards made Dec 15 at 2014 10:30 PM

SPC Daniel Edwards — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:30:47 -0500

Can't please everyone and we are not in the business of pleasing people. They need to get over it.

Response by GySgt Joe Strong made Mar 5 at 2015 2:02 PM

GySgt Joe Strong — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 14:02:54 -0500

IMHO, if you are offended by any of the above appellations you are afraid you aren't providing enough value.

While everyone wants the glory, not everyone can be the root toot shootin' end of the Spear.

But if you examine the proposition, the Spear is made much more useful by the Logistical support of the Shaft that extends it towards the enemy. Sure that cutting edge could do it's work on it's own, but much less effectively and with much less Power and Reach.

I'm a REMF POG who also happens to be a Leg, if the PC world changes Leg to NAP what do I care?. Not a problem for me. I know I delivered value.

Response by CW2 Eric Scott made Mar 5 at 2015 2:06 PM

CW2 Eric Scott — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 14:06:34 -0500

No because I understand our job involves the killing, or support killing, of enemies of our country. Why would I care if my own team calls me names I know to be good in nature.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Mar 5 at 2015 10:15 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 22:15:16 -0500

If I ever get called "leg" I will ask if Airborne is sort of like Ranger or Special Operations training and they will hopefully say no and I will respond with, "thought so".

Response by MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 10:18 PM

MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 22:18:59 -0500

I was never offended by any of these terms. I'm an AG guy and I'm chair borne. However, I'm good at what I do and others can mock me until they need me.

I think the issue is that some Soldiers take it too far. Their sole intent is to degrade other Soldiers. Where's the honor in that? It's not about being PC. It's about being professional.

I'm proud to be a dirty nasty leg.

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Mar 6 at 2015 12:33 AM

SPC(P) Jay Heenan — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:33:27 -0500

Leg was soooo much cooler! I don't care what people want to call me, I know my value to both the Army and myself...

I do think that we have become a bit to sensitive, maybe on the 'smaller' issues, we should dig out the sand wedged into 'those places' and focus our attention on things that matter...you know, like training, mentoring and teaching those that will replace us!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 1:22 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 01:22:02 -0500

I'm to the age where 'Fk what everybody thinks of me' is my battle cry.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 4:28 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 04:28:27 -0500

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 5:07 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 05:07:24 -0500

I believe that we are getting way too thin skinned as a society especially in the military if you can't handle some name calling you should probably fine a new career path

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2015 7:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Jun 2015 19:40:45 -0400

Meh, if you really get that offended by words what do you think bullets will do to you in combat? Give you a little bit of the Jessica Lynch syndrome, that's what. Get over it, if you don't want to be a leg, go to Airborne school. As far as being a POG, you gotta understand something, being an Infantryman is far more difficult than you probably think. I know, I served in an Infantry unit while in the 'Stan, and as an Artilleryman, earned their respect because I was with them on every mission. By the end of that tour it didn't matter that I wasn't an Infantryman, I was one of them because I endured beside them as a Combat Advisor. Earn respect through your actions, and don't be so sensitive if you get heckled a little bit.

Response by SGT Carissa Lara, RCS made Jul 4 at 2015 7:29 PM

SGT Carissa Lara, RCS — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:29:01 -0400

It depends on how it's used. I don't care if someone calls me a POG most of outhe time. Now if your saying it to imply that I haven't done anything in the military then I'll quickly correct you about your stupid assumptions.

Response by MSG Alfred Aguilar made Jan 11 at 2016 2:22 AM

MSG Alfred Aguilar — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 02:22:14 -0500

I enjoy a good nap...

Response by CPT Gary Jugenheimer made Jan 25 at 2016 4:25 PM

CPT Gary Jugenheimer — Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:25:16 -0500

I think we are becoming or have become to sensitive to too many things in this nation and would venture that the people that complain are very few in number, but because of our knee jerk reactions to their complaints the small minority drives change.....not everyone will be happy..that's a fact of life....toughen up and live with it, these are words and acronyms that by themselves hurt no one....by the way, if you do not like being a leg or a NAP...go airborne!

Response by MSG John Melville made Feb 15 at 2016 7:21 PM

MSG John Melville — Mon, 15 Feb 2016 19:21:43 -0500

A leg is a straight legged Soldier who is not Airborne. A nap is what you take after a field exercise. The rest is just nonsense.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2016 11:26 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:26:50 -0400

MSG Wyatt Smith I spent 10 years at Ft. Bragg and love every sec. I was called lag everyday and it never bothered me. They could call me leg all they wanted but my work and appearance spoke for who i was when i was at Ft. Bragg.

Response by SGT Drew Clark made Jan 27 at 2017 1:06 AM

SGT Drew Clark — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 01:06:44 -0500

Of course a Dirty Rotten Stinky Nasty LEG, would be offended, there not that High Speed, AIRBORNE, HOOAH!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Apr 21 at 2017 4:17 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:17:14 -0400

Leg is offensive, it is meant to be. It should make you want to go airborne. Even more at Ft. Bragg. I was there in 62 for the Cuban Missile Crises. The Garrison MPs got it especially hard. Even today veterans will brag about being anything but a REMF. Anyone can buy a hat.

Response by PFC Bradley Campbell made Oct 1 at 2017 1:07 PM

PFC Bradley Campbell — Sun, 01 Oct 2017 13:07:48 -0400

i am offended that anyone would think any of us actually give two hoots in hell about nonsense like this. the pussification of an Army continues.

Response by SGT Jim Arnold made Oct 1 at 2017 1:15 PM

SGT Jim Arnold — Sun, 01 Oct 2017 13:15:26 -0400

I am a REMF leg and damned proud of it

Response by CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr. made Oct 1 at 2017 1:19 PM

CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr. — Sun, 01 Oct 2017 13:19:23 -0400

I think tooooo many people are LOOKING for an excuse to be offended. It has become a national obsession to be among a group that is offended over one or more inconsequential topics. And we are becoming hyper-vigilant to try to avoid even a hint of something that might be taken as offensive by ANYONE. Put your big boy pants on and DO YOUR JOB!!!!!

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Oct 1 at 2017 1:25 PM

Capt Seid Waddell — Sun, 01 Oct 2017 13:25:14 -0400

During Viet Nam, "Leg, "Hump", "Grunt" were all derogatory terms for the rifleman on the front line - made by "REMFs" - which was the derogatory term the riflemen used for those that stayed behind the wire. The military is full of these expressions that men use to rag on others while making their own service look superior.

It is all done in fun and anybody that gets upset about it is a snowflake.

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made Oct 1 at 2017 1:27 PM

Cpl Rc Layne — Sun, 01 Oct 2017 13:27:46 -0400

As Popeye the sailorman said, I is what I is. So whatever you are, be the best you can be. Grunt, squid, airedale, BAM, whatever.

Response by MSG Johnathan Mathes made Oct 1 at 2017 3:14 PM

MSG Johnathan Mathes — Sun, 01 Oct 2017 15:14:54 -0400

Not worried about what I'm being called as long as I do my job to the best of my ability... airborne personal all started out as legs.. they seem to forget that.. and they also come off status when they are stationed overseas... I'm a retired paratrooper doesn't make me any better or any worse... it's a mind set... do your job... find a way through the army's diplomatic bs.. and Amalie because in the end it's all worth it

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Oct 1 at 2017 3:38 PM

Sgt Wayne Wood — Sun, 01 Oct 2017 15:38:57 -0400

A leg by any other name is still a leg

Response by SSG Philip Spier made Oct 2 at 2017 12:57 AM

SSG Philip Spier — Mon, 02 Oct 2017 00:57:05 -0400

Who cares, I'm retired! I was in aviation and if you want to walk, be my guest. If you want to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person, go ahead; it does not matter in the end, we are on the same team.

Response by PO1 Randy Horelica made Oct 2 at 2017 7:53 AM

PO1 Randy Horelica — Mon, 02 Oct 2017 07:53:55 -0400

Spending money like a drunken sailor. But us drunk sailors only spent our money not someone elses.

Response by PFC Robert Rice made Oct 2 at 2017 9:03 AM

PFC Robert Rice — Mon, 02 Oct 2017 09:03:55 -0400

I was just a Boot!

Response by SPC Scott Domogalla made Oct 2 at 2017 11:57 AM

SPC Scott Domogalla — Mon, 02 Oct 2017 11:57:15 -0400

Soldiers have always taken offense to these terms. This is how they hone their fighting skills. You add alcohol, which diminishes their skill and you throw in leg, squid, fly boy, crayon eater, I could go on, and you now easily offend any soldier worth their salt, and Shazam you have a fight. But because of the KGW "kinder gentler world". They go snitch now, because they have hurt feelings. Now personal attacks, racial, or any that are morally flawed, were dealt with a whole lot differently than now. In my Day it did not matter if they were of the same branch and it was said to another branch, all turned on that individual and it was handled immediately, in a manner that was determined by the whole. And eliminating these terms, I believe, take away from the pride all have.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2018 11:29 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 11:29:59 -0500

I think many people when they are young and first coming into the military, are offended by whatever terminology was used to refer to them in an informal way, especially when the terms were being used to talk down to them.

Even back in the early days of Airborne, I'd bet there were many fights had over Paratroopers referring to NAPs as straight-legs. Humans taking exception to being referred to by anything other than their name is not new. There is a long running history of this throughout civilization.

I think the more prevalent issue is people who get offended by others being offended. This is rampant nowadays; all so they can complain about someone else being offended and ride the millennial-bashing bandwagon.