Positions of "trust" according to ALARACT 147? Last time I checked the position of NCO was a position of trust.

2014-01-11T01:37:34-05:00

I was talking about this with some recruiters in my class today. I had to go look it up and I think it's ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned it's an OFFICIAL double standard.

For those who don't know, ALARACT 147, removes all NCO's with negative findings in their records (long specific list) from what they determine "positions of trust" to include, recruiter, drill sergeant, AIT PSG, etc.

Please explain to me the difference between a platoon sergeant in the 82nd and a PSG is AIT land? So what are you saying? I don't have to trust my PSG in the 82nd? I think the entire thing is ridiculous and a MAJOR slap in the face to the NCO Corps as a whole.

Either set the standard and enforce it on everyone; no never mind, no "either" necessary. Just set the standard and enforce it. Quit picking and choosing what jobs you think are more important.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2014 1:38 AM

2014-01-11T01:38:54-05:00

100 thumbs up for that one.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2014 10:19 AM

2014-01-11T10:19:23-05:00

I think eventually they will be moving toward phasing everyone out of the army with the negative findings, but for now its just positions dealing with the new soldiers (recruiter, drill, AIT). I am a new recruiter and am quickly realizing how much we are on our own to make decisions that can vastly effect someone else's career. However I do agree with you in the sense that they should change the wording in the message because an NCO is a position of trust.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2014 10:26 AM

2014-01-11T10:26:26-05:00

I think the Army has to start somewhere. Since recruiters, Drill Sergeants, AIT Platoon Sergeants are dealing with new Soldiers who are learning the Army system they can get away with doing things that are questionable. Recruiters are dealing directly with civilians who know little to nothing about the Army. Some of these NCOs are taking advantage of these positions and since the the Soldiers and civilians don't understand all their rights or how to report an issue they can damage the trust we are trying to build with our new Soldiers (or they are intimidated by the perceived power these NCOs have in a training environment). I have seen good NCOs go to recruiting and lose their moral compass. It is my understanding that the CG of USAREC is the one putting extra emphasis on this, where as the Main Stream Army is not.

Again, I think we need to start somewhere (Also, this affects officers as well. If you hope to command a unit in Basic or Recruiting, then you will be screened as well. I know I was.)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2014 10:28 AM

2014-01-11T10:28:32-05:00

If we dont teach and enforce the standard in IET then do you really expect joe/jane to do the same on the gun line? I think not. A position of trust is a position of trust period.....doesnt matter if you are on a special assignment or not...all my assignments are special and include a position of trust because Im taking care of someone's child, husband, wife, mother, father.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2014 10:43 AM

2014-01-11T10:43:47-05:00

While I agree with you 100%, I myself, being a post 9-11 Soldier am having somewhat of difficult time watching the Army change so much, so quickly. I can say I don't agree with all the changes, but I can say it must be done. Without getting off topic too much, I relate back to as this seems to be just another step in our transitioning Army. As we've done in the past and will continue to do in the future, we as leaders will adapt,adjust, and enforce. Great post, brought more knowledge to my tool kit, thanks!

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Jan 12 at 2014 1:21 AM

2014-01-12T01:21:15-05:00

A position of trust is unique, in my 24+ years, it should not matter what the position is you hold as an NCO; an NCO is a NCO and is a position of trust by sphere of the rank. Everyone is not perfect on planet earth and makes mistakes and you should not be judged on your failures. It should not matter what position you hold as an NCO; a job is a job with a lot more of responsibility as you progress up the ladder. Trust matters, its the heart of true leadership within every organization and relationship!!

Response by SPC Matthew Birkinbine made Jan 12 at 2014 8:08 AM

2014-01-12T08:08:11-05:00

I concur completely! NCO and above are all positions of trust. All should be treated as such, and lower enlisteds and other initial entrants should be groomed for such trust and responsibility.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2015 6:32 PM

2015-08-11T18:32:55-04:00

Does self referring yourself to ASAP count as a violation of significant trust?.... Apparently it does! And it needs to be advertised!........about to get real!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2016 2:25 PM

2016-04-20T14:25:57-04:00

The reason that we have and use this system is to make sure that NCOs or Officers that may have been convicted of crimes such sexual harassment, rape, incest or any other derogatory information (there is a list) are not put into positions of Trust, or promoted to the GO ranks. It's not to weed out the "bad" ones; its to make sure that unscrupulous individuals are not put into positions of authority/trust to where they can continue with said behavior. And just to point out, POTBSCS is not a new system; it just has a different name.