SGT Private RallyPoint Member 227412 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Can a Soldier sign for equipment that is in an area or room that he or she is not authorized to go into? Is there a reg that covers this? 2014-09-04T09:23:50-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 227412

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Can a Soldier sign for equipment that is in an area or room that he or she is not authorized to go into? Is there a reg that covers this?

2014-09-04T09:23:50-04:00 2014-09-04T09:23:50-04:00 SGT Richard H. 227427

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Such as signing for the sofa in the CO's office? (as an example). I doubt there would be a specific reg, other than it would be a stupid thing for someone to ask you to do.

2014-09-04T09:41:29-04:00 2014-09-04T09:41:29-04:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 227428

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Can they? Yes.<br /><br />Should they? Absolutely not.<br /><br />Physical accountability as well as maintenance is the responsibility of the hand receipt holder.<br /><br />Tell us the whole story and we can probably assist you better.

2014-09-04T09:41:38-04:00 2014-09-04T09:41:38-04:00 SSgt Gregory Guina 227519

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If I don't have access to check on it I'll be damned if I am going to sign for it. While that is not always an option I would have someone sub-sign from me the equipment that I do not have access to.

2014-09-04T11:04:27-04:00 2014-09-04T11:04:27-04:00 1SG Dustin Springer 227543

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You will find more information in AR 735-5 May 2013. But as it states the inventory must conduct jointly. My advice seek out your brigade PBO.<br /><br />b. Accountability for property carried on a property book will be transferred to a successor per AR 710–2. A joint<br />inventory will be conducted for any property not hand receipted by the PBO. The inventory will be conducted within<br />the time frame prescribed in AR 710–2.

2014-09-04T11:26:45-04:00 2014-09-04T11:26:45-04:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 227595

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SPC McGough,<br /><br />Great question! Consider a Company Commander who is responsible for millions of dollars worth of equipment including the company arms room. Only the armorer or designated personnel are allowed to enter without accompaniment, however, the CO is signed for every item inside (even though they are typically sub-hand receipted down). The CO can enter with accompaniment to conduct inventories on a regular basis. The regulation that covers Physical Security is AR 190-11.<br /><br />From a supply standpoint there are multiple regulations exist that you can consult such as AR 710-2 (Supply Policy Below the National Level), AR 735-5 (Property Accountability), and several other DA PAMs and regulations.<br /><br />However, my answer is simply that the leadership must enforce strict property accountability, timely and accurately inventories, and ensure that property is being sub-hand receipted to the appropriate personnel---this is key as well due to some personnel wanting to evade signing for property so the CO/XO/Supply SGT need to ensure that NCOs are not sub-hand receipting property to other personnel as a means to evade. Therefore, all of the leadership including the NCOs need to have a vested interest in the program; in other words---everyone needs to be engaged!

2014-09-04T12:13:04-04:00 2014-09-04T12:13:04-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 228272

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Example where someone may need to be signed for something located in an area one cannot access without assistance:<br />the network i inherited on my most recent deployment was quite large from one i had been used to. fiber-optic connection to higher echelons, the main router, dhcp server, encryption devices, and file server were located in a locked closet offset from my office. this was fine, myself and a few choice individuals had access. however i had at least 8 trunk lines allowing 8-24 port switches in areas where personnel required network access. some of these switches were in areas i could not get into in that other than the switch i had no need to access the area. half of these were locked into small server racks so that they couldn't be tampered with by the personnel in the buildings. Granted I set none of this up, but i could see the logic behind my not having the owner of the buildings sign for the equipment simply because they saw it more often than I. My shop was overall responsible for the maintenance and operation of said equipment. We also provided services for a ISR platform, civilian contractors who didn't work directly for us, but we were tasked to assist. Now, would it have boded well to simply "not sign for" equipment necessary for the success of the mission? In my case I didn't need to sub hand receipt as i ensured that even though i couldn't get into the outer door, personnel couldn't get into the inner door to my equipment without my knowing (SNMP viewer) <br /><br />This doesn't fit all instances, but is a stark reminder that property accountability isn't always simple, not in the whole picture at least.

2014-09-04T21:04:35-04:00 2014-09-04T21:04:35-04:00 CSM Private RallyPoint Member 273156

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Do not sign for crap until you are crystal clear on the reg (mentioned above) and the control measures.

2014-10-11T00:21:22-04:00 2014-10-11T00:21:22-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 273161

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The simple answer to your question is yes, a Soldier can sign for equipment located in an area they are not authorized to enter. There are multiple solutions to this but, like some have already stated, it depends on the area and what is the equipment. The two best solutions are either 1) you retain an escort in order to properly view the equipment then doing a sub-hand receipt for the items to someone who works in that area or 2) a responsible person in the work area can sign for it from you prior to you signing the Hand Receipt. If you can't go in, then I'd have someone take good accurate pictures of the equipment, data plate and serial number so you know what it is as well as confirming it's been accounted for.<br /><br />The best thing to do is speak to your supply NCO or BN S4 NCOIC for further guidance on a COA. In addition, take a look at AR 710-2 (Chapter 2-10), DA PAM 710-2-1 (Chapter 5-3 and 9-2b) and AR 735-5 (Chapter 2-2 and 2-8 (5 types of responsibility)).

2014-10-11T00:24:28-04:00 2014-10-11T00:24:28-04:00 SGM Erik Marquez 3393416

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, but it should be sub recited to the person that will be maintaining control. <br /><br />Its common for a Company grade commander to be signed for items they do not have physical control over, and in many G2, G3 environments, that 03 commander of a HHBN unit that includes a few general officers a boat load of COL&#39;s, 1.75 boat loads of LTC and a whole darn Ark of every thing else may not (actually WILL NOT) have the security clearance to access all locations their property book items are located in.

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