PTSD vs SUICIDE. Which War does a Soldier fight more ?

2016-06-05T03:07:33-04:00

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2016 3:11 AM

2016-06-05T03:11:30-04:00

This can also include Men and Women who fought in combat, first responders who witness the horrors of crime and seeing others, like coroners, who found people who were found dead days or weeks later.

My sister had PTSD, in my opinion, added by her abortion she had and living in a staunchly pro-life family and later having her infected cervix removed made her feel she had killed her only chance for an unborn child. She compensated with having 5 or 6 dogs and calling them her kids. She also had substance, painkillers (Prince died from Fentanyl pain killer) and alcohol abuse. She had anger management problems and if she disagreed with you she was against you and told you to F off and hung up. If you called back, she put on the fax machine.

Her 3rd husband serving her divorce papers and leaving her to be by herself since she was hated by her sister in law did not help.

My sister killed herself on the 4th of July, 2015. Stay sober, seek help, if you have PTSD, drinking beer is still a drinking problem. My sister said she had been to AA but she drank beer but 1 beer is the same as a glass of wine or a shot of whisky. No difference at all!
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Response by Cassie M. made Jun 5 at 2016 3:14 AM

2016-06-05T03:14:38-04:00

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Response by CPT Joseph K Murdock made Jun 5 at 2016 8:44 AM

2016-06-05T08:44:39-04:00

The priority is survival to fight another day.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2016 9:39 AM

2016-06-05T09:39:08-04:00

I believe the two are often fought together.

Response by CPT Joseph K Murdock made Jun 5 at 2016 10:47 AM

2016-06-05T10:47:41-04:00

Some of us have internalized so much pain that suicide becomes to us, a viable option. That is when we are so lost and down that we can't see up anymore. We need the don't hurt yourself message from someone or a few words of encouragement, someone who has the ability to put us on our feet again. This is from experience.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2016 10:50 AM

2016-06-05T10:50:45-04:00

Most of the suicides in the military have very little to do with actual PTSD.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2016 5:49 PM

2016-06-05T17:49:22-04:00

Cassie M., One of the problems with vets committing suicide is not knowing when it could happen. Allow me to explain. I was in a PTSD group at the VA. All of us had been in Vietnam. One of our members seemed like he was finally coming around. He sat in a corner by himself and rarely said anything. He began adding to the topics and getting to know us better. He and I became good friends. I had done the same thing he was doing. I rarely said anything, and definently didn't want to get close with anyone.
His name is Dennis. After one of our sessions, he hung around like we usually did, and we all talked BS. He went home. He rode a Harley that he loved. It was his only means of transportation. He gave it to a friend, set his house on fire, and shot himself in the head.
We were dumbfounded. He seemed to be opening up and laughing at jokes, then he blew his brains out. Things like that continue to make me not get close to anyone. Some people said I should be thankful for the times I was with him and knew him. I am thankful, but losing a friend to suicide doesn't make me happy, and once again, I want to be a loner.
Someone who doesn't want to live anymore isn't going to telegraph anything that he or she, is going to kill him or herself. They just do it. I should know. I tried twice.

Response by CPT Joseph K Murdock made Jun 5 at 2016 7:31 PM

2016-06-05T19:31:34-04:00

I am going to say this as a tanker. You first fight the most immediate threat and that is suicide or it's all over. PTSD is the battle. With the help of allies (doctors, nurses, friends, co-workers) you fight the battle. You need them to cover your flanks, obstacles, and conduct fighting in depth. Survive Fight Win!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2016 10:31 AM

2016-06-07T10:31:52-04:00

I would say PTSD....only because a lot of Soldiers do not know they are dealing with PTSD until they get into trouble or some kind of incident that exposes the PTSD...or they denied up until that point.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Jun 8 at 2016 11:51 AM

2016-06-08T11:51:36-04:00

I want to say PTSD, simply because there's a stigma attached which sometimes prevents people from getting help. PTSD could also lead to suicide which means the soldier was struggling a lot longer with one fight before he succumbed to the other.

Response by CPO Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols made Jun 9 at 2016 10:29 AM

2016-06-09T10:29:48-04:00

First of all, anyone can suffer from either or both. My research shows that PTSD is present initially with every one of our suicide clients. The driver behind Suicide Ideation is linked to an amnesic memory from early childhood that drives our behavior later in life - like when your mom tells you not to touch the fire because it will burn you. Odds are that you will never try the theory for yourself. This is a learned behavior. When a significant emotional event occurs in early childhood, the child is not capable of creating a stopping mechanism for this emotional event and subsequently becomes amnesic. Your brain's natural response to amnesia is to protect you from ever recalling the memory and the 'driver' is created. This is why we can't shut off the player of memories.
The driver's job is to keep you thinking about other emotional memories that are not as emotional and every bit as powerful.
Ultimately, the new event that becomes PTSD, Self-sabotage, MST, consistent victimization, and Suicide Ideation and is driven by the 'driver' described above.
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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2016 7:54 AM

2016-06-26T07:54:07-04:00

for ME, it's a combination of the 2; not so much NOW for suicide, as it used to be, but it still is there nonetheless...I thank God that I FINALLY found a decent therapist/LCSW to help me through the bad times. I found a wife who figured out just what the heck is goin on with me. 2 failed marriages and children who want nothing to do with me takes a toll and it is one I would not put on my worst enemy. So, yeah, suicide is something that is always there in the background. PTSD is as well. Days can go by without any triggers, then bam, all of a sudden out of the blue something trivial to anyone else, can throw someone with PTSD into a hellish world. This is something one should never ever take lightly.