Recent (and infamous) posts inspired me to draft some rules for Junior Enlisted. Am I way off or right on?

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Rules for Junior Enlisted from the perspective of a Junior NCO:

Junior Enlisted Service Members, you are an incredible asset to our Military profession. You have value unmeasurable, and are the future leadership of this great Military. These are some basic rules that might just help you make a positive impact on your young career, and improve the Military at large.

1. Know your role(s): Master your craft, as mundane as it may seem, your success is critical to the success of the Military. In addition to your MOS, you are the strong backs and legs of the Military; be prepared to use both... often.

2. Listen: You will be surrounded by those with more experience and knowledge than yourself; gorge yourself on this like it is thanksgiving everyday. Take as many pearls as possible from the wealth of insight you will encounter.

3. Share: As one of the most recent graduates of your technical school, you will have been trained on the most cutting edge info techniques in your field. This knowledge is not for you only, but for you to bring to your new unit.

4. Learn from your leadership: You will have good, bad, and if you are lucky great leaders. Learn from every single one of them. Learn what you want to be and don't want to be as a Service Member and future leader, and be prepared for the same scrutiny from your future subordinates.

5. Go to school(s): Be the one who raises a hand when school opportunities come up, and accept being voluntold for schools as a compliment, not a punishment. These can be painful, grueling, tedious experiences, but they can be incredible networking opportunities, expand your view of the Military, and you might even get a little “chest candy” out of the deal.

6. Go to school: No this is not deja-vu. Take at least one civilian college course every semester, its on Uncle Sam. Very few missions will prevent you from taking advantage of this opportunity, and it can lead to a degree, or more importantly, you may find a passion that you never knew you had.

7. Have fun!: You may not realize it now, but you may never have as much fun as you do as a Junior Enlisted. Enjoy your time on the bottom of the totem pole.

8. Respect everyone (even if you don’t admire them): This is the most important skill anyone can master, and the one that requires constant practice. This is the one you pay forward, and the one you may struggle with the most. Up, down, left, and right, every single person you encounter is just that, a person. People are due respect and human decency. This goes double in the Military. Your superiors are not there by accident, and whether or not you always agree with them or their style, they deserve respect. Your peers deserve your respect as well, as they are your brothers and sisters on the ground with you. And your subordinates deserve your respect, they volunteered for service as you did, they are going through what you already have, and they are looking to you for guidance.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Mar 5 at 2015 11:15 AM

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Not bad!

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Mar 5 at 2015 11:23 AM

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MSG Private RallyPoint Member Excellent list! you'll get my votes to try to keep this high in the list as long as possible.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 11:29 AM

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I think I would add: Challenge. Challenge yourself in everything that you do. Do not be afraid to step out of your comfort zone and volunteer to learn to lead. You may not know how good you are until you try.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Mar 5 at 2015 11:30 AM

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MSG Private RallyPoint Member excellent list and advice you provided to junior enlisted.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 11:30 AM

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Boom! You nailed it!!!

Response by CPT Andrew Reed made Mar 5 at 2015 11:33 AM

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Outstanding MSG Private RallyPoint Member!

If I could add one thing. Not every Soldier gets a good mentor when they're starting off in our Army. Anytime a conversation steered towards a Soldier's dissatisfaction with their Sergeant, I'd offer them this:

That NCO is an NCO for a reason (I did not add my personal opinion that this may not always be the case.) They did the same job that you are doing now. They served under Sergeants just the same. The only thing that you can do is be the best Soldier that you can be. Build up all your peers and subordinates. Make them as good as you are. Work hard, get promoted, then do it again. You can always effect change at your level.

Any Soldier can be leader, and anyone can be great team builder. That's not always clear to the young private that's not getting along with his Sergeant.

Thanks for contributing! I hope to see more from your perspective.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Mar 5 at 2015 11:35 AM

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"6. Go to school: No this is not deja-vu. Take at least one civilian college course every semester, its on Uncle Sam. Very few missions will prevent you from taking advantage of this opportunity, and it can lead to a degree, or more importantly, you may find a passion that you never knew you had."

*** Go to base education once a month (more if your leadership will allow). Take a CLEP or DANTE. Doesn't matter what one. If you pass you get 3-6 college credits (DANTES can give upper level). If you don't you can retake the think in 6 months. They are FREE to service members and they take 1-2 hours to complete. You get instant feedback whether you pass or fail.

When I was getting out on Terminal (90 days), I went in twice a week, and got 90~ credits from CLEP/DANTE & Excelsior (Don't know if they still offer them) exams. That COMPLETED my A/S and put me within 9 Upper Level Credits of my B/S (had more than enough total credits).

10. Do EVERY Correspondence Course Available to you that relates to Function/Role (and similar) or Leadership. If you can take the other Service ones, do those too. I took AF Correspondence Courses, because I was allowed. And when I was getting my FitRep, it my boss had little choice but to give my highest marks for pursuing education (Professional & Civilian).

Response by SPC David Shaffer made Mar 5 at 2015 11:41 AM

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Good job on this.

Response by SGT(P) Khalid Wise made Mar 5 at 2015 11:49 AM

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4. I would and in my career did ADD: be prepared for AND encourage...

Response by SGT(P) Khalid Wise made Mar 5 at 2015 11:51 AM

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SSG L Daniel Clark please be sure to join the mentorship group, Sir... Outstanding! No one more professional than you SSG!

Response by GySgt Joe Strong made Mar 5 at 2015 11:57 AM

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#5 Career progression by Military Correspondence if available, in Example, MCI's Marine Corps Institute courses that gain promotion points for cutting scores upon successful completion. Also use them to gain career field specific knowledge that will help you in your daily job and prepare you to succeed in AIT or other Career field Progression Formal training. Some, MCI's may also carry College credits - but they won't be the easy ones...

#8 Using all the previous techniques don't just earn your way to the points that can get you promoted, but prepare yourself to fulfill the duties of the rank above you, be READY to start of fully able to fulfill the role of that promotion on the day it is presented to you.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Mar 5 at 2015 12:00 PM

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Outstanding...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 12:06 PM

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I think you hit the what needs to be stressed the most. Like anything, we can critique this and add more to it, but some things need to be kept short, simple and to the point (hence why the military loves the BLUF and KISS). So, great job MSG Private RallyPoint Member !

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 12:12 PM

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Awesome sir, I would only add that you need to understand (ask questions if needed) how to get promoted and what the criteria is for promotion. Take charge of your career, make a plan for where you think your going to go and take all the steps necessary to point yourself in a direction (again ask questions of those that have already gone where your going). Make yourself the most critical asset in your unit, make your leadership dread you getting an assignment because you are deemed irreplaceable.

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Mar 5 at 2015 12:39 PM

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This is great advice, MSG Private RallyPoint Member. Thank you for your insights.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 2:04 PM

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Having started as a Private. This is right on.

Follow this, respect everyone is key. If you do those you don't admire are less likely to get in your way. Believe me I have walked into a storage room, pulled my hair and punched myself in the face. If you come out of the storage room say have a good day (when you really want different). I think back to a post about lying.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Mar 5 at 2015 2:20 PM

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Sounds pretty accurate to me.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Mar 5 at 2015 2:22 PM

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Oh, and PV1-PFC should not stand at parade rest for SPC, but they SHOULD for CPL

Just tossing that out there.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Mar 5 at 2015 4:07 PM

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9. Don't be afraid to excel. "Be all you can be" is still a good personal doctrine, and there is a lot of deserved pride to be had in a reputation for not being a "satisficer". And if you don't think a sense of élan can raise just about anything (even driving nails) to an art form, go watch some viral YouTube videos of cops directing traffic.

Response by SPC Donald Moore made Mar 5 at 2015 4:18 PM

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Except the part about going to college. Other MOS (jobs) might be able to take advantage of that but Infantry spend too much time deployed.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 4:29 PM

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I had to pick...What are you, a girl scout cuz it was there...lol...I love the list though.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 4:41 PM

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It is easy to build on a firm and sound foundation. Those are 8 steps that do not just apply to the military, but, as you can see all of life. A great foundation for anybody to build upon. Very good observations, I am sure that list will only grow and develop with age, time and experience. Then it is not so much for the juniors we offer feedback, more our peers.

I really like the way you are very real about expectations and very positive about the potentials of all. As a leader, sometimes we may be confronted with situations where we have to have more faith in a persons potential then they do themselves. You really let that shine here.

Finally, on a side note, I talk with many veterans having retired 20 years ago. The question that often comes up is just what is wrong or why can't the services get the quality of people we used to when we were in. LOL that is always the question. With your posting I can once again laugh and smile as I say, sometimes, the hardest part of leadership is stepping aside and letting the cream float to the top as is natural in the cycle of life. Your posting here is classic of how the younger will take the role of leadership, just given the opportunity.

Stepping aside and watching and offering some feedback when needed but watching as we all grow with opportunity is a pretty exciting part of knowing how we did when we planted the seeds. Especially planting the seeds that were healthy and given to us from those of our own days.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 5:05 PM

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I speak for myself, but I know plenty of others who share my opinion if they had any prior service before transitioning in their careers to becoming a Commissioned Officer. My initial enlistment were among the happiest and most enjoyable years of my Army career. Why? Because Team Leaders, Squad Leaders, Platoon Sergeants, and First Sergeants clearly communicated essentially this very message on a consistent basis. That was back in the early 90s, back when SGT's Time was dedicated to training on Warrior Tasks; we heard this message sprinkled in liberally during that time. I think we as an institution lost sight of communicating this message on a consistent basis when we shifted our focus to damage control, shifting from containing one publicly-embarrassing crisis after another. This started in the late 90s with the introduction of the Army Values campaign (who remembers the dog-tag and wallet cards?) and continues today with the monthly mandatories of SHARP, ASSIST, and Master Resiliency.
So, CPT Boling, what you've done is really just dusted off a product of a not-so-long ago time as opposed to unleashing a revolution in military affairs. But that's a good thing! I think we need to get back to singing from this sheet of music.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Mar 5 at 2015 5:05 PM

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I was all for it until I noticed no where did you tell them to get a RP account. How are they ever supposed to see the list? I am disappointed. This should have been rule #A.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 5:15 PM

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Wish someone had told me all this back in 1986 when I was a young private. Only thing I would add is to save as much money as possible for the future regardless of whether the service member's goal is one term or 20+ years.

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Mar 5 at 2015 5:32 PM

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Great advice, thanks!

Response by SSgt Thomas A Tullis Jr made Mar 5 at 2015 5:42 PM

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Everything listed here is or was common practice in the Marine Corps. I was instructed to work my way out of my job, meaning train your juniors to replace you. Marines are encouraged to continue education, military and civilian.

Response by SPC James AbadaOMalley made Mar 5 at 2015 7:48 PM

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Excellent points and I echo all of them. My only criticism is that you are targeting to small an audience. While these are most useful for junior enlisted I've known many young officers/officer candidates and young NCO's that could benefit from the same advice. I may no wear chevrons but I have been a leader for a long time and have mentored and guided many young soldiers and young leaders.

Re: #6, I hope my experience with trying to take civ ed classes on active duty is unique. I tried three times and had to cancel each time. I did have a painful deployment and PCS tempo though.

Re:#8, Some of the most difficult leaders helped me become a better soldier. They certainly exercised my physical endurance and by writing hand but they also exercised my professionalism. I'm a more professional soldier and man partially because of those a-hole leaders.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 8:58 PM

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#8: Some people ARE where they are by accident. For example, SGT STAR MOS. Some people make SGT/SSG just by having the minimum TIS/TIG in the "right" MOS. But this is where your #4 comes in-- learn who/what NOT to be from bad "leadership."

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 9:01 PM

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If I could I would add boards/military knowledge. It may be mundane and extremely boring but it will help wilt career progression even if you don't win. It shows that you made an attempt to better yourself. Also a little competition is never bad, everyone wants to be able to call themselves the best. Other than that this post is spot on and is what my father taught me when I first enlisted.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 9:23 PM

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I'll definitely agree with you, when I first got in my first team leader gave me very similar advice. It has done me well to follow rules similar to these. I have learned a lot and continue to learn more each day.

Response by SSG Eddye Royal made Mar 5 at 2015 10:13 PM

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This at this point in time of your life and Career, is your fault. My direct question the post command order YOU to do this, or you seeing something coming down the pipe and the peple is to dam stupid to see the WRITING ON THEWALL. this is the informstion I am get on Linkedin. I will go back abd see if you are on my LINKEDIN section that is speaking on this topic. I am here in Dallas, Tx. The old Carswell Airforce Base is going through the same problem, the young men mostly does not see past they face NCIS, said they would put a wavor for officer anything to help get these troops back in shape. just dont care, pant are now call low riders. lol

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 10:54 PM

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Gee Staff Sergeant, but what if I have toxic leadership?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 2:56 AM

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boom...

*Drops phones and walks away*

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 1:46 PM

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This is great and I'll definitely use this with my junior Marines

Response by CPO John Woodward made Mar 6 at 2015 4:57 PM

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My parents taught me when I was a young teenager entering the work force that you are going to have good boss's and bad boss's but you can learn something from either of those. There is always something to take away from any experience you come across. Knowledge is power. Learn and lead even if that means you have to follow.

Response by CSM Mark Gerecht made Mar 6 at 2015 7:17 PM

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Awesome Post And great
Insight

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 10:05 PM

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Excellent post MSG Private RallyPoint Member and outstanding follow up questions.

I would add make a file on your next position/rank. In this file clip articles from the NCO Journal and other publications and jot down notes about things you want to remember when you make it - things you want to do that you've seen work, ideas you want to try and above all else, things you saw that didn't work or made you mad and you don't want to make the same mistake - the good, bad and ugly. Have you ever said "if I ever make ____ I will never ____"? I learned as much from leaders above me I didn't want to emulate than the ones I did.

After you get that next promotion and/or position, pull that file out periodically and go through it - you will be surprised at what you might have forgotten - where you came from and where you wanted to go. It will keep you honest to yourself and humble.

And don't forget to be building your file for the next rank/position.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2015 2:48 PM

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I say right on.

The only addition I would have is this: Understand your environment, and your place in that environment. I am in a rather unique place in my civilian and military careers, but nonetheless I am by pay grade still firmly in the junior enlisted category regardless of the assignments I've had the good fortune to be given.

Occasionally I will contribute to the discussions here when I feel like my perspective is insightful and warranted, but more often than not I find myself reading discussion threads and taking it as a learning experience. I will never know everything, but that doesn't mean I can't try to expand my base of knowledge. So the most important lesson I can give for junior enlisted members here is that; treat this as a place of learning...not a sounding board for gripes and complaints.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2015 3:14 AM

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Many of this is what I brief to all Soldiers which I come in contact with.

I really don't think this generation knows how to pay attention sometimes.

I see the potential in many but only a couple actually strive for success

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2015 8:06 AM

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You could expand this and publish!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made May 2 at 2015 3:39 PM

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If you are going to spit out I am a 19K and want to know how the world relates to it, tell us what 19K is. We have a lot of experienced folks who may know many units that need a 19K if we knew that you are a Tanker.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2015 4:06 PM

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Nice set of well-thought ideals. And also our SM/Veterans understanding that many are very young and to keep that in mind. Sometimes a non-judgemental approach in a person genuinely wanting to do the right thing is extremely important.

I remember an Airman in the dorm who was quite immature but a nice kid. The problem is that his roommate was letting him take the rap for an accident that was not his fault. He was not driving. We got that fixed for him but KARMA had other ideas for the perpetrator who later was pronounced DOA after a DWI incident that he caused.

Another young Airman did not wash and he was being cruelly treated by other SMs. I listened to him even after he got doused by water and being an E-5 no one dared to piss me off, although I was not intimidating, save for rank. The kid turned it around and partly because he had a mentor of sorts.

In Germany an Airman got raped and she wanted me to listen to her. She told me I was the first one who let her vent and asked me what to do. Off all the events in the military that I am most proud of was listening. The girl and I became great friends but self-discipline to just be a good friend was enough for me.

So we leaders can make a difference and it is not necessarily impeccable dress and being gungho but being human and really caring for the emotional hurt and most of us have been wanting in one time in our lives and it is the least we can do to help others.

I am working on a project to help older veterans who are lonely and paying forward for all veterans and even myself as I get older.

Response by SPC Charles Brown made May 2 at 2015 4:15 PM

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Very articulate MSG Private RallyPoint Member. If only someone had come up with this back when I first came onto active duty way back in 1979. This might have helped me to keep my big mouth shut and stay out of my own way. Thanks for the post.

C.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2015 7:57 PM

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Thank you MSG Private RallyPoint Member, I'm always looking for advice and ways to better my career as well as myself. What you have laid out for the junior enlisted is a great guideline for anyone to follow.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2015 8:11 PM

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The main problem I see with a lot of new soldiers is that they are in to much of hurry to progress up through the ranks without learning the basics first and building a good solid foundation. I got it, you will always have that one soldiers who can handle the added responsibility but for the most part soldiers need time to mature. The list you have is a good cornerstone that soldiers should follow to help them build their careers.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2015 10:06 PM

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I had a commander who counseled me on the need to volunteer, I didn't understand this at first but after actively volunteering with him and watching the impact it had on the entire Troop to encourage volunteerism at the lowest level I would add:

Volunteer. On the home front it allows you to connect to your community, put you in touch with the people you have sworn to defend, and contribute directly to the community you live in. Overseas, such as in Korea or Germany, you are acting as a goodwill ambassador for America and engaging in a new or unique culture. In both situations, you are staying active and feeling good about yourself. It will keep you out of trouble, and make your service more rewarding.

Response by SFC Stephen King made May 3 at 2015 9:00 PM

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I am all in with this. I would add do not be afraid to fail, challenge yourself weekly. You will learn more from failing then never trying.

Response by SPC James Lewis made May 4 at 2015 7:48 AM

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This is what I was told to do when I was in. I noticed that when I spent time with the national guard that not alot of them wanted to listen to experience from pvt,ssg and 1Sgt.

Response by Cpl Brett Wagner made May 4 at 2015 9:17 PM

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I would not limit this list to Junior Enlisted, Enlisted, or military. I know (have known) officers, enlisted and many civilians that could use this list. Basically good advice, truth, justice, positive thinking, right from wrong, and motivation are good things for all people.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 5:15 PM

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Right on sir! Our creator (whoever/whatever) gave us 1 mouth and 2 ears listen and learn, then share experiences! We learn soooooooo much with out even recognizing it! I think one other to add would be:

Reflect: look back on your experiences and recognize the situations and events that have helped make you the way you are. Those can then be shared to the benefit of others.

Response by 1LT Richard C. made May 13 at 2015 1:37 PM

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1...add - Do my utmost, as if the whole issue..depended on me alone.

Why -

During the first World War, a young man - a barber in peacetime - enlisted in the Iowa National Guard. Soon he found himself part of the 168th Infantry of the 42nd Division, the Rainbow Division.

July 30th, 1918 was a hard day for the division. Participating in the Second Battle of the Marne which stopped the last major German offensive of the War and saved Paris from capture, the division was attempting to take Hill 212 on La Croix Rouge Farm and incurring heavy casualties. In spite of withering machine gun fire and heavy artillery bombardment, the 168th Infantry took their objective. A message from Treptow’s unit needed to be taken to another platoon. Private Treptow did not hesitate, but grabbed the message and ran off with it. As he neared the platoon leader to deliver the message, Treptow was cut down by a burst of German fire. He was twenty-five years old.

Later, in policing up Treptow’s personnel effects, a diary was found in his blood-stained blouse. Written in Treptow’s own hands were the words entitled, My Pledge, words that serve as a memorial to the price he paid. "America shall win the war. Therefore, I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone."

Response by SFC Douglas Duckett made May 15 at 2015 1:02 PM

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Be careful who you hang and socialize with, they can be a negative influence.

Response by SFC Istvan Nagy made May 15 at 2015 3:43 PM

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My uncle "briefed" me on that before I joined/swore in at the Nashville, TN MEPS Station on April 27, 1980, and he was right on.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2015 3:52 PM

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I'm blessed to be around highly experienced NCOs and officers, both in my unit and on RP. Particularly I'm my unit, I'm always ears-open for knowledge to be passed on to me and other junior enlisted Soldiers. There's this one SF and Ranger-tabbed First Sergeant in particular who will randomly come up to us and share his experiences. We all gather around him like it's story time, haha.

Response by PO3 John Keas made Nov 20 at 2016 6:12 PM

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8 always troubled people. Respect is a two way street. BUT...even if you don't respect the person, you should at least respect the rank/pay grade.

I always tried to respect those above and below me...even if I didn't get it back. Even with the AO1 that hated me.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Oct 26 at 2020 1:22 AM

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It is the junior enlisted responsibility to better themselves. This is GREAT!!!