Road rage against riders, what could this rider have done to mitigate the risk?

2015-05-31T08:54:18-04:00

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Woman-Accused-of-Running-Down-Motorcyclist-in-Road-Rage-Killing-CHP-305502841.htm

Navy Service Member Killed in Alleged Road Rage

Driver is accused of striking and running over a motorcyclist on SR-54 Thursday.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made May 31 at 2015 9:10 AM

2015-05-31T09:10:25-04:00

And then we have this current event
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While it looks like a simple case of road rage, there are unconfirmed reports that the rider in question had a vid up of him doing 170 plus through the neighborhood... Now that does not excuse the truck driver from his actions but it might point to what brought it to that level.

daniels headbutt full video

this is the full video without edits and music with added bonus at the end Facebook.com/jakester142 twitter : https://twitter.com/jakester142 Follow up here ...

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made May 31 at 2015 9:29 AM

2015-05-31T09:29:28-04:00

It is just sad.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2015 10:32 AM

2015-05-31T10:32:54-04:00

I wasn't able to read the article but I saw this video a few days ago.

I will say this.............Until recently I was an avid motorcyclist! I only stopped because the sport bikes hurt my back. I will be upgrading to a cruiser in the near future. As a biker, I have run across the gambit! Most "cagers" (car drivers) don't really respect us. Now, I will say that there are a few knuckleheads on 2s and those few ruin it for us responsible riders. I'm not saying I haven't pushed the limit a time or two but not like some of these crazy kids! I have had cars cut me off, I've had cars pull up so close to me at a red light that a person couldn't walk in between, I've had people follow so close to me that there is less than 1 second of reaction time and I can keep going. I have even had a truck run me off the road.

My point is that it is more benefitial for bikers to ride aggressive. Now saying that doesn't mean I condone the knuckleheads of the world. When I ride in the city, I do it at high RPMs so everyone knows a bike is somewhere and I try my hardest to stay out of blindspots! There is an art to riding safely and many people aren't taught that art!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2015 10:54 AM

2015-05-31T10:54:59-04:00

Unfortunately, we as riders must be extra vigilant against idiots.

I, myself, had been purposely ran off into the shoulder. I kept my cool and reacted in a way that kept me on my bike and alive.

It's about how we react to drivers.

Response by PO1 John Miller made May 31 at 2015 11:36 AM

2015-05-31T11:36:34-04:00

What's even more tragic is that the victim was an active duty Navy Chief Petty Officer.. Also, the driver had just gotten her license back after it had been suspended, and also had a police record for domestic violence.

Allegedly the bike rider had kicked the victim's car, and she in turn retaliated by running him over and killing him.

If any of this is true, and having used to live in California I can believe that it did happen, the Chief may not have been in the right to kick her car (I don't know what she did to cause him to react that way) but that in no way excuses the woman from killing a man.

I myself ride Harleys, and have been cut off/disrespected by cagers. Luckily I was able to avoid dangerous situations, and in fact have had karma rear its head when a cager got pulled over as a result of his dangerous driving. I guess he felt the need to retaliate because I was behind him and changed lanes because the car he was behind was going too slow. I'm sure he didn't see me because he tried to change lanes too and I honked my horn/revved my engine to let him know I was there. He had to get back over and then couldn't change lanes right away because of more traffic. I guess he felt like I cut him off or I was splitting lanes, even though I wasn't. Fellow riders will know that it takes less room for a bike to maneuver/change lanes, and uneducated drivers will see that as lane splitting. I don't lane split as that practice is illegal in Arizona.

My advice to fellow riders? Avoid responding to aggressive drivers, and maybe start carrying a GoPro camera to record these types of incidents.

To the sports bike crowd, and the majority of you ARE responsible riders, save the stunts and high speeds for closed circuit courses/track days.

Response by COL Ted Mc made May 31 at 2015 12:35 PM

2015-05-31T12:35:00-04:00

I got my first motorcycle in 1962 and one of the first things I learned was "Never put your bike into a hole you couldn't put a car into - because car drivers simply don't see that that hole exists.".

A long time ago I read of a "visual perception" study that showed that car drivers have a tendency not to actually "see" (read as "visually process available information so that the presence of the object actually registers as the presence of the object") motorcycles on the road.

I get a chuckle out of watching the "pre-dead" on their crotch rockets zooming down the road while I stooge along at whatever speed I feel like enjoying the ride (and on a 30+ year old bike that has a "manufacturer's listed" top speed of 160mph [at 10,000 rpm {which is 'red line'}] but is actually capable of reaching 200mph (admittedly with the engine threatening to throw a piston through my crotch and while I'm going downhill with a tail wind). I have every intention of still riding when I hit 100 - THEN I'll think about getting a red convertible, chest hair implants, and a lot of gold chains and big medallions.

The only way to deal with "road rage" - if you are riding - is not to be there when it happens.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jun 1 at 2015 3:46 PM

2015-06-01T15:46:38-04:00

Road rage is a problem wherever it crops up. I don't know that it is any more prevalent than before.

Response by SGT Darryl Allen made Jun 1 at 2015 3:51 PM

2015-06-01T15:51:07-04:00

This is an awful incident with a tragic outcome. CPO Buod didn't deserve any of this and I do hope that the accused is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. While I can understand being angry about ALLEGEDLY getting a boot to your car, that, IN NO WAY, justifies killing a man, regardless of his military status or any other factors. This was a human life that was snuffed out by a bad temper and it's sickening.

This is happening too often these days. People are less cognizant of others on the road as they race to get to where they are going, as fast as they can possibly get there. A good friend of mine lost a brother yesterday too, also in a motorcycle accident, because someone didn't check their mirrors before they made a turn. We in the military are made to sit through countless safety briefs about the dangers of motorcycles, but it's the people in cars that are the biggest threat to a cyclist. The public needs to be educated on how their actions on the road can potentially end a life.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2015 3:54 PM

2015-06-01T15:54:35-04:00

I cant get the article to load but you always need an escape route, if nothing else to avoid the visually impotent. They don't see us normally so we should always be prepared to have to make a move to get the hell out of the situation. Don't get me wrong you cant always be ready and preparing for one instance the situation can change and you run out of time to make a move. I found that out the hard way. But when they go for us that's just bad and we may never be prepared for it. I hope the family can find closure

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jun 2 at 2015 4:40 AM

2015-06-02T04:40:22-04:00

Terrible and for what?

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2015 6:18 AM

2015-06-02T06:18:44-04:00

Tragedy

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2015 6:28 AM

2015-06-02T06:28:00-04:00

Sad to see our brother-in-arms go like that. Nevertheless, road rage-induced homicide is equally bad for all, military and civilian. Hope this case serves as lesson to many others out there who are borderline reckless on the roads.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2015 7:13 AM

2015-06-02T07:13:43-04:00

Absolutely tragic. Immensely unnecessary. My prayers to his family.

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Jun 2 at 2015 7:14 AM

2015-06-02T07:14:34-04:00

What is going on with people today. Are we turning back into animals?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2015 7:32 AM

2015-06-02T07:32:40-04:00

Here's a 2nd story with hazy video of the altercation and a witness interview ...

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Video-Motorcycle-Road-Rage-Death-Navy-Sailor-San-Diego-305681651.html

Vid Shows Road Rage Victim Moments Before Crash

Witnesses of a road rage incident on a San Diego highway in which a Navy officer was killed last week shared video taken just moments before the crash.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2015 7:37 AM

2015-06-02T07:37:11-04:00

Death Penalty

Response by LTC John Shaw made Jun 2 at 2015 7:51 AM

2015-06-02T07:51:28-04:00

Horrible! Why would anyone do this?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2015 9:53 AM

2015-06-02T09:53:08-04:00

One word. WOW!!
Or maybe two, Unbelievable.
I just don't understand these road rage incidents. How could you get that MAD or IRATE that you would kill a human being? It is becoming a problem. This has happened WAY TO MUCH!

Tragic for both of the FAMALIES Involved. Not the Road Rager.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jun 2 at 2015 11:12 AM

2015-06-02T11:12:25-04:00

He didn't have to be a member of the military for this to be tragic, it just makes it more so.