Should retired officers, who are not in uniform, return a salute?

2023-06-27T08:56:43-04:00

Should retired officers, who are not in uniform, return a salute?

I see soldiers at the gate salute me when I come through, even though I present my retired ID card -- and sometimes when I show my contractor CAC. I get that it's respect to my retired rank, but only GOs retain their rank when they retire. And, since I now have a beard and am never in uniform, it feels weird returning a salute. What say you?

Response by CSM William Everroad made Jun 27 at 2023 9:15 AM

2023-06-27T09:15:45-04:00

LTC Dallas Powell, I think the better question is, should you return a salute sitting in your car.

My CDRs have never returned a salute sitting down (except in their office), nor from inside a car.

The gate guard does not have to salute an officer in civilian clothes, but most instructions suggest that gate guards salute all Officers (regardless of retirement status). They are permitted to drop the salute when the officer drives off or the salute is returned, but I have rarely seen them wait until either to drop their salute.

The gate guard salute is performative respect or institutionally mandated homage.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Jun 27 at 2023 10:10 AM

2023-06-27T10:10:07-04:00

If you did not resign your commission, you still have it. Remember that pay you get every month is retainer pay.

Response by SP5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2023 11:26 AM

2023-06-27T11:26:27-04:00

LTC Dallas Powell It's a good way to give a polite "thank you" when you return a salute, regardless of your attire. Your rank is indeed being recognized and visually acknowledged.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2023 2:22 PM

2023-06-27T14:22:20-04:00

Right before I got out, AF personnel were still using the DoD stickers on their windshield. The stickers were three part: the actual number, the year on the left side for currency, and the locale sticker underneath. The locale sticker colors differed by rank, and officers had blue ones.

We saluted the sticker. It might have been the officer, the officer's spouse, or his/her kids. Maybe active, Guard, or Reserve. They might have been in civilian clothes. They might have returned the salute. That was it. Salute. Wave them on. Next car.

We went to 100% ID checks after that, but officers still got saluted. Once we saw the rank, we saluted. We never noticed on their DD Form 2 if they were retired.

Of course, that was in garrison under normal ThreatCon. That got suspended after 9/11.

Should retired officers salute? I am certain we appreciated the returned gesture. Did we notice it? Maybe. Did it impact our standing orders to initiate a salute to all officers? No.

Response by COL Dan Ruder made Jun 27 at 2023 3:47 PM

2023-06-27T15:47:20-04:00

"Salutes are not required to be rendered by or to personnel who are driving or riding in privately-owned vehicles, except by gate guards (military personnel only) who will (AR 600–25) render salutes to recognized officers in ALL (emphasis added) vehicles unless duties are of such a nature as to make the salute impractical." Also, "salutes are not required to be rendered or returned when the senior or subordinate or both are in civilian attire."
If a military gate guard salutes you it is a courtesy, even if you are retired, and even though it's not required. Personally, I return the courtesy, just as I did when I was in uniform, and since I am at a complete stop it doesn't interfere with my ability as the driver of the car. Salutes are not "required" by either party, but they are also not prohibited. It would feel very wrong to me to be saluted at the gate and then drive off without having acknowledged the trooper's courtesy.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2023 5:11 PM

2023-06-27T17:11:18-04:00

I'm a Reservist living near an AF base where I go for all of my commissary, PX, and sometimes gym time with friends. Very rarely (if ever) am I in uniform there and I generally have a beard unless it's the week after Drill Weekend. I always return the salute since it was rendered to me.

Response by COL Randall C. made Jun 27 at 2023 5:24 PM

2023-06-27T17:24:20-04:00

LTC Dallas Powell, I'm confused by your statement that "only GOs retain their rank when they retire". Why do you think that?

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Jun 28 at 2023 12:50 AM

2023-06-28T00:50:13-04:00

Respectfully Sir, have you read your retirement orders? "On date placed on the retired list, you are transferred to the United States Army Reserve Control Group (Retired), United States Army Human Resources Command." Maybe yours are written different, but mine say transferred, not seperated or dismissed, and I still consider myself part of the Army just under a command that does not require me to show. They can also still hit me with UCMJ (very unlikely but still possible).

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2023 12:01 PM

2023-06-28T12:01:09-04:00

I don't see how that's possible. You're retired sir, aren't your hands filled with a scotch and a cigar at all times?

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2023 12:05 PM

2023-06-30T12:05:09-04:00

I would return the salute, as a polite curtesy. The soldiers are respecting your service; and are basically, by saluting, saying "good morning sir" - Now, you could be crusty and just grumble and not salute or return the salute, and in doing so, you are respecting their service and the customs of the military. Basically just saying "and to you to gentlemen". If you really want to send them for a loop, make sure your salute is crisp and sharp and you will have their total respect - "Have a good day Sir" :^)

Response by LTC Robin P. made Jul 5 at 2023 5:32 PM

2023-07-05T17:32:27-04:00

Yes. Return the courtesy.
And you DO retain your last rank, if you held it for at least 3 years. You are subject to involuntary recall up to age 60, and can still be voluntarily recalled after that age. If reactivated, you serve at your permanent rank. No PT test, no OER, no possibility of promotion. Recalled personnel are, by regulation, intended to be put in positions that don't require a lot of exertion or high risk. They would fill critical skill shortages, or fill admin / log / support positions to free up active duty personnel for more pressing needs. Several of my colleagues were reactivated to fill needs related to 9/11. One served for more than 5 additional years, the other for more than 12 additional years.

Response by PO1 William Wilson made Jul 6 at 2023 2:05 PM

2023-07-06T14:05:41-04:00

That gate guard saluted out of respect. Try a different scenario. Someone in uniform salutes you as you walk towards the PX. Gee, he recognizes you and remembers your rank. I say he also would have saluted you out of respect. Cherish those salutes. As a retired enlisted individual, I never got saluted while active duty nor later in retirement. You earned your rank and I believe you should be happy to salute those who salute you out of respect. I get thanked for service in Nam frequently. I think it is great that they think enough of me to render that salutation and always reply cheerfully and return them with a Thank You for caring. Just my opinion. I salute you Sir!

Response by COL Roxanne Arndt made Jul 6 at 2023 3:57 PM

2023-07-06T15:57:10-04:00

Enjoy the respect for your service.

Response by MAJ Montgomery Granger made Jul 6 at 2023 4:17 PM

2023-07-06T16:17:24-04:00

My gut response is that it's always acceptable to render courtesies to one another. While in uniform I prided myself on knowledge of customs and courtesies of the military. I try to stay abreast of current trends, policies and rules, however, because they do change from time to time. Such as veterans being allowed to render a salute while in civilian clothes during the playing of our National Anthem. You don't have to salute, but you may! That wasn't always the case. Thank you for asking this important question. I enjoyed reading the responses! Hooah!

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Jul 6 at 2023 6:47 PM

2023-07-06T18:47:09-04:00

AS A MILITARY OFFICER, MY POSITION ON SALUTING IS TO GIVE A VETERAN OR ANY MILITARY RELATED PERSONNEL THE HONOR. I GIVE SALUTES TO VETERAN'S WHO ARE WEARING A BRANCH OR UNIT DESIGNATED CAP. IT IS AMAZING THE RETURN SALUTES I GET AND THAT GREAT SMILE FROM THE ONE BEING SALUTED. TOO, IT OPENS CONVERSATION CHANNELS AND ACTS AS A POSITIVE PTSD REASSURING TREATMENT FOR THE VETERANS. VIETNAM VETERANS WERE SPIT UPON AND CALLED BABY KILLERS AND THE RESPECT WE CAN OFFER EACH OTHER BY SAYING THANK YOU IN A SALUTE IS WELL WORTH IT.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Jul 7 at 2023 8:06 AM

2023-07-07T08:06:30-04:00

At the point of retirement, receiving a salute is even more so a simple sign of respect. Returning a salute then is likewise.
As MP's, at least "back in the day," we were required to salute any car with an officer's parking decal. I don't even know if they use decals today. What used to give us a chuckle though were the officer's wives (active or retired) who occasionally would DEMAND a salute. Most of us would; some MP's would not.
On a traffic stop one afternoon, a Major's wife INSISTED on a salute which she did receive ... after she was handcuffed (DWI and Disorderly Conduct). When he came to the MP Station to sign for her, and read the report, he was more upset with her insisting on a salute than her drunk driving/disorderly charges and citation for U.S. District Court. Yes, it said "afternoon." We encountered more female/middle aged women DWI then than evenings ... those afternoon "teas" were sometimes expensive!

Response by SSG Anthony Ravenell made Jul 7 at 2023 10:13 AM

2023-07-07T10:13:29-04:00

I have had the honor to see a few of the officers I served with while a civilian in the airport while traveling. He had made the rank of Major General and notice me first as he was my Battalion XO while in the 82d Airborne Division. I saluted him out of respect and he saluted back and everything out of my mouth was Sir and he noted that you could call me "Abe" and that is fine as he called me by my last name as many while serving.

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Jul 7 at 2023 1:04 PM

2023-07-07T13:04:37-04:00

So far all the responses have been from officers, let me offer another perspective.

The gate guards are required to salute officers, their instructions don't say anything about active, retired, whatever, so they are going to salute you. You are not required to return the salute, and most of those gate guards really don't care if you do or don't -- they salute a few hundred officers every day and are used to officers who are too full of themselves to return a salute.

In situations where an officer is not required to return a salute most enlisted personnel don't get their feelings hurt if the salute isn't returned, but we do expect the salute to be ACKNOWLEDGED. Certainly returning the salute is the simplest and most obvious way to acknowledge it but no one is going to break down in tears if the acknowledgement is a polite nod or greeting.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2023 5:08 PM

2023-07-07T17:08:41-04:00

What does your heart tell you to do? My heart would tell me to return the salute. To me having a beard or being dressed in swimming trunks to go to the base pool or whatever doesn't matter.
As an aside... There are a few veterans of different services branches around the complex where I live. We're all enlisted. There are certain times where, depending on the particular situation, where we'll flip each other salutes (with a smile) and get them returned (with a smile).
We all get what it means. It's a thing with us.

Response by LTC Patrick Turner made Jul 8 at 2023 10:31 PM

2023-07-08T22:31:56-04:00

I have been in that same situation as you - and yes, with a beard. I believe any enlisted person who renders a salute to you is very deserving of a return salute. Period.

Response by AA Loreen Silvarahawk made Jul 10 at 2023 7:37 AM

2023-07-10T07:37:02-04:00

Return the salute - you earned it. We are told that a salute is rendered not specifically for that person but rather for the rank and uniform earned. The President also returns the salute.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Jul 10 at 2023 11:49 AM

2023-07-10T11:49:31-04:00

Salute back and have a nice day.

Response by Col Tom Duquette made Jul 10 at 2023 7:51 PM

2023-07-10T19:51:48-04:00

During my 31+ year career on active duty (4 years US Army enlisted and 27 USAF officer) it was my general impression that once a Colonel/General always a Colonel/General and likewise for E-9's. I would never call a retired Chief Master Sergeant anything other than "Chief".

Until recently when I visit my local AFB as a retired O-6 I was saluted by the SF guard on duty (unless they were a contractor) and I returned the salute- it is the appropriate thing to do in response to this military courtesy.

In the last year however there have been times when the young A1C or SrA on the gate just scans my ID and says "have a good day" without the salute. Times change I guess but if someone salutes me they will be receiving a snappy one in return.

Response by LTC John R. made Jul 12 at 2023 9:34 AM

2023-07-12T09:34:21-04:00

Of course we should. When someone renders you respect, you should return the courtesy, every damn time. Don't overthink it.

Response by CPT Jerry Lucas made Jul 12 at 2023 5:28 PM

2023-07-12T17:28:49-04:00

If you can safely return the salute, do so, as a sign of respect. If you have one hand on the steering wheel and the other on a manual gear shift, or perhaps on a motorcycle, it may not be safe to do so. I've never rode a motorcycle thru a checkpoint, so I'm not sure. I choose not to ride motorcycles on a military installation. I can't ride 55!

Response by CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin made Jul 12 at 2023 8:49 PM

2023-07-12T20:49:46-04:00

The president returns salutes, as do ex presidents. I see no harm in it, and I think as a retired Army Cpt, I think it is funny when I go onto a Naval Base. Their MPs stand up tall when I come through the gate, LOL Go Army - Beat Navy.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Jul 15 at 2023 9:31 PM

2023-07-15T21:31:16-04:00

It is polite.

Response by SGT Kerry Sommers made Jul 16 at 2023 7:03 PM

2023-07-16T19:03:54-04:00

If troops recognize you and respect your previous rank show the troops you are appreciative of their respect and return the salute. I still salute people I respect!!

Response by LTC Martin Glynn made Jul 16 at 2023 11:32 PM

2023-07-16T23:32:59-04:00

I agree with all of the earlier comments. As long as you held it for three years before retiring, you do retain your rank after you retire. And while gate guards aren’t required to salute me when I’m not in uniform, if they do I will certainly return that salute with a big grin and a “Hoo-ah!”

I’ve had Soldiers salute me in all sorts of situations, to include Paratroopers grinning and saluting me as they exited the left door of an aircraft while I was working as a Jumpmaster. I returned every one of those salutes, and I don’t plan to stop returning salutes until I’m pushing up daisies.

Response by Sgt Ivan Kenter made Jul 18 at 2023 3:27 PM

2023-07-18T15:27:35-04:00

Mo not sure what the regulations are, but i would think at the least you should acknowledge the honor, nod or tip your hat or some other appropriate sign.

Response by BG Gary Jones made Aug 8 at 2023 7:39 PM

2023-08-08T19:39:56-04:00

A salute is a measure of respect. As a retired officer I’m appreciative of a Soldier who honors me with a salute. I would return it even if I was in my underwear.

Response by SGM(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2023 10:58 AM

2023-08-18T10:58:32-04:00

I don’t have a problem saluting retired Officers. What burns my ass is rendering a courtesy, just to have nothing returned as if it’s an inconvenience.

Since I’m here - does anyone know the whereabouts of COL Pat Work? He was my mentor when I was active, but he seemed to have fallen off social media.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Aug 18 at 2023 12:41 PM

2023-08-18T12:41:45-04:00

May not be required, but it shows a sign of respect to you and your previous rank. Semper Fi

Response by CW3 Charles Morris made Aug 19 at 2023 3:17 AM

2023-08-19T03:17:48-04:00

As a retired CW3, when I go through the 'gate' on a military installation, the guard, upon recognizing I am an officer, albeit retired, renders a salute. Well, of course, as a matter of military courtesy, I return the salute. Why wouldn't I return his or her salute?

Response by SP6 Harry Peters made Aug 19 at 2023 3:23 AM

2023-08-19T03:23:58-04:00

Not necessary to

Response by PO2 Gary Riedl made Aug 20 at 2023 9:24 PM

2023-08-20T21:24:32-04:00

They don't need to, but it's a nice sign of respect (both ways).

Response by CW2 Matt Baum made Aug 23 at 2023 4:49 PM

2023-08-23T16:49:19-04:00

There is a very old retired COL who walks in my neighborhood (wearing PT gear). He always salutes me when I am driving. I figured it was because of my Warrant crest front plate, but then found out he outranked me. It's a kind of cool exchange between strangers in service. Saluting at the gate does kind of feel funny since I am such a civilian now, but it doesn't take much effort to return one. I did retire O grade, but do feel like that is MY rank, for life.

Response by LCDR John Doyle made Aug 24 at 2023 4:40 AM

2023-08-24T04:40:34-04:00

I never return the salute, but I thank the guard. Just respecting you.

Response by COL Robert Gilbert made Aug 24 at 2023 9:48 AM

2023-08-24T09:48:13-04:00

Although it is not required, I return a salute, in recognition of the soldier's salute.

Response by GySgt Ronald Stettner made Aug 24 at 2023 1:47 PM

2023-08-24T13:47:22-04:00

Yes!

Response by Lt Col Bill Fletcher made Aug 25 at 2023 8:17 AM

2023-08-25T08:17:38-04:00

“Should” is the wrong term. You “may” return the salute out of courtesy to those who rendered the salute to you. Your choice, but it certainly would be polite.

Response by 1LT Douglas Marvin made Aug 25 at 2023 3:49 PM

2023-08-25T15:49:12-04:00

Excellent response.

Response by LCpl Scot Brake made Aug 25 at 2023 10:28 PM

2023-08-25T22:28:34-04:00

Yes to return the Respect

Response by LTC Jorge Cordero made Aug 27 at 2023 7:19 AM

2023-08-27T07:19:10-04:00

I have been retired for several years now and still return a salute when I enter a military base. I do it out of courtesy and respect for the individual at the gate. My ID clearly states "Retired" and they always salute me, the least I could do is return the honor and respect.

Response by CSM Tim Bebus made Aug 27 at 2023 12:04 PM

2023-08-27T12:04:27-04:00

Back to the basic question, should you return the salute? Of course you should! It's not a chore for a SM to salute you, it's a greeting, a sign of respect! By not saluting back you are showing disrespect. When I go through a Military gate and present my ID I am called Sergeant Major even though I retired in 2011. I always return the greeting using the SM rank back to them. If someone reaches out to shake your hand do you not reach out yours?

Response by SFC Kevin Childers made Aug 27 at 2023 10:38 PM

2023-08-27T22:38:29-04:00

It's a matter of respect and the rendering of honors. I still think of and refer to my former military superiors by their current/final ranks. It comes natural to me. I saluted them until day I hung my own uniform for the last time.

Response by SP5 Richard Barton made Aug 28 at 2023 12:39 AM

2023-08-28T00:39:22-04:00

I was in the Army from 74-77. From 1975 until I mustered out, I was at Ft. Sam Houston in San Antonio. The most popular TV show at the time was Mash. We had played concerts for medical officers graduating from training programs. We developed a bit of contempt for brass. Of course, an article 15 for not saluting an officer was a threat. So, we began saluting each other. After I completed my service, I continued saluting Veterans as a way of saying, "Hello". I still salute folks when I'm out and about. Especially when I visit the VA.

As for the question at hand, I don't know if it should be expected, but if I had spent 20 years in service, I would especially return salutes. But civilians have the right to make their own choices.

Response by 2LT Richard Browning made Aug 28 at 2023 7:08 PM

2023-08-28T19:08:50-04:00

I had a now deceased sailing friend, that was a retired Marine Corps Colonel and I always greeted him with a salute, he always returned it and let me know that he apricated it.

Response by MAJ Harry Roye made Aug 29 at 2023 7:53 PM

2023-08-29T19:53:49-04:00

Not true about only retired GO retain their rank. As a commissioned Ret Regular Army officer, I earned that rank and it stays with me until I salute St Peter at the I Bar in heaven. I don’t ask for, nor expect a salute, but it is given as a sign of respect and to not return it is disrespectful to the person rendering it.

Response by SGT Eric Littlejohn made Aug 30 at 2023 1:20 PM

2023-08-30T13:20:02-04:00

I always salute those whom I know were in the service of the country. IMO, it' a sign of respect and "brother/sisterhood" of those who at one time in their life, suited up to defend the flag and nation.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Aug 31 at 2023 12:02 AM

2023-08-31T00:02:21-04:00

Yes, return the salute. Sitting in your car, standing, having grown a beard...return the salute.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Aug 31 at 2023 12:54 AM

2023-08-31T00:54:15-04:00

Well, Let Me See....I May Have To Think About It...
Okay I've Thought About It Long Enough....
"Should retired officers, who are not in uniform, return a salute?"
Uh.... "Oh HELL YES"......
You've Been Saluted, Out Of Courtesy, As All Officer Are.
Return That Salute SIR, For The Exact Same Reason, "Courtesy".
We All Deserve It In Both Directions, And We Should All Respect It.

Response by SPC Joel Carter Sr made Aug 31 at 2023 4:27 AM

2023-08-31T04:27:30-04:00

YES,OUT OF RESPECT.

Response by A1C Riley Sanders made Aug 31 at 2023 10:58 AM

2023-08-31T10:58:00-04:00

if the Officer Saluted you then be curtest and return the salute

Response by MAJ Tex Hall made Sep 7 at 2023 6:01 PM

2023-09-07T18:01:44-04:00

I say take the compliment, and return the salute that those who are carrying on have given in respect to your service.
Tex

Response by MAJ Tex Hall made Sep 7 at 2023 6:08 PM

2023-09-07T18:08:37-04:00

LTC Dallas Powell You are incorrect, Sir. If you are retired, you still hold that rank forever. You can be involuntarily recalled to active duty either at your retired rank, or at the rank recommended at the time of your retirement up until the 'mandatory retirement age' whatever that is at the time. You can also be asked to return to active duty past that age if you accept that option.

Response by TSgt Andrea Prewitt made Sep 18 at 2023 10:00 PM

2023-09-18T22:00:38-04:00

Please return the Salute. It is courtesy.

Response by COL Mike Walton made Sep 20 at 2023 2:04 AM

2023-09-20T02:04:12-04:00

Who told you that only GOs retain their rank when they retire? I still have a commission, and that commission does not "expire" once I retire...the commission "expires" when it is taken from me. Even in death, I'm still a commissioned officer. Dead, but still commissioned.

Remember, when they are saluting, they are not saluting *you* but rather acknowledging your RANK.
A nice "thanks" or my favorite, "stay warm and dry" would be appropriate, even if you are wearing sweats or haven't shaved in two months.

Response by COL Mike Walton made Sep 20 at 2023 2:09 AM

2023-09-20T02:09:50-04:00

Who told you that only GOs retain their rank when they retire? I retired, and I still hold my commission. I will continue to hold it at the pleasure of the National Command Authority or until they remove it. I'll die a commissioned officer. Dead, but still commissioned (*smiling*).

Remember, those guards are not saluting *you* but rather acknowledging your RANK. That doesn't matter if you're wearing sweats, civilian clothes, or haven't shaved in two months.

A returned salute and a "thanks" would be the most appropriate response. Of course, you can use my greeting "stay warm and dry" also.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Sep 20 at 2023 5:24 AM

2023-09-20T05:24:25-04:00

If You're An Officer And I Have The Opportunity,
YOU'RE Getting MY Salute....
.It's An Honorable And Privileged Tradition...
Keep It Rolling ~ Never Lose What We Share Together

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Sep 21 at 2023 9:56 PM

2023-09-21T21:56:35-04:00

A salute is a military greeting. It is no more required when out of uniform than stopping your car to say hello to a stranger on the street, but as a sign of mutual respect and kinship, I would and do return a salute when rendered.

Response by CW2 Peter Buttner made Sep 22 at 2023 2:25 AM

2023-09-22T02:25:27-04:00

I am in the same boat, retired and I have a Ponds sercurity guard supervisor who salutes me when he scans my CAC. I return the salute and recognize those who recognize the service we gave to our country.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Sep 22 at 2023 11:04 AM

2023-09-22T11:04:31-04:00

Not only is it proper to exchange salutes as a sign of mutual respect between military members but a salute can also be used in place of tipping Your hat to a lady as the hat should not be removed from Your head while outdoors and in uniform. Not only a retiree but a veteran can render a salute in or out of uniform. Recent changes a few years back in Federal law allow that even of Veterans who hadn't reached a retirement level.

Response by Brig Gen Joe Callahan made Sep 25 at 2023 3:06 PM

2023-09-25T15:06:48-04:00

It is a courtesy. When passing through the gate I am always saluted and I always return the salute. You can choose to ignore the salute, you are retired after all, but I prefer to maintain the customs and courtesy.

Response by SGT John Baker made Sep 25 at 2023 3:33 PM

2023-09-25T15:33:58-04:00

A Salute is a little more than a military sign of respect & recognition. Salutes have been around for a very long time, long before being adopted by militaries. It was originally meant to show that the gesture was that of a friendly and show that the hand (right) was not armed. Civilians often salute each other as a form of greeting. Rendering a salute is an honorable recognition of the recipient, military, our flag, or to our friends. There is nothing deeming about having to salute another.

Response by LTC William Gilmore made Sep 26 at 2023 8:29 PM

2023-09-26T20:29:58-04:00

"All retired military members are permitted to use their military titles socially and in connection with commercial enterprises. Such military titles must never be used in any manner which may bring discredit to the uniformed services.

The use of military titles is prohibited in connection with commercial enterprises when such use, with or without the intent to mislead, gives rise to any appearance of sponsorship or approval by the uniformed services or the Department of Defense.

Military titles will not be a part of the signature block of a retired service member when signing official correspondence as a civil service employee.

Retirees not on active duty will not use their military titles in connection with public appearances outside the United States unless such use is authorized by the appropriate overseas commander.

When military titles are used by members to sign their names to documents that pertain to them personally, they must show that they are in a retired status after the grade. Social and business calling cards must reflect the retired status.

In a military office, retirees using military titles on the telephone could lead to confusion and unwitting misrepresentation, conveying the impression of active-duty status. In any case, common sense is the guide when a retired service member works for the Government. No reasonable retired officer would invite awkwardness when employed in a military office by insisting on being called by a military title if such title outranks the retired service member's active-duty chief.

The retired service member's use of his rightful title in government employment is guided by his acceptance of his civilian status and loyal conformance to the established channels of command. Local customs, practices and conditions of employment are the primary influencing factors."

Response by LTC William Gilmore made Sep 26 at 2023 8:34 PM

2023-09-26T20:34:40-04:00

When I retired, I was placed on the retired list as a LTC. I did not lose my rank. I merely moved from one list to another, as did you. If the gate MP salutes me, I return the salute!

Response by CPT John Noble made Sep 27 at 2023 1:41 AM

2023-09-27T01:41:29-04:00

return the courtesy.The men on active duty are responding to your prior service, respond to their respect for your rank by at least acknowledging their salute. Remember officers and not just GO's can always be recalled.

Response by CAPT John Waddell made Sep 27 at 2023 1:46 AM

2023-09-27T01:46:42-04:00

All retired military personnel retain their rank.

Response by CDR Carolyn Beatty made Sep 28 at 2023 11:38 PM

2023-09-28T23:38:12-04:00

I salute in my civies and I’m retired 37 years. I think it’s important to show respect when it’s earned so I will throw a salute their way to show respect. Now that I’m retired I’m not obligated so now I have the decision to salute or not.

Response by LCpl Richard Lally made Sep 30 at 2023 11:34 AM

2023-09-30T11:34:42-04:00

I've always had the impression that RETIRED officers are still on call tot return to active servicer That being said, I believe the officer in question has the choice to either returning the salute OR just give an acknowledgement of the sign of respect from the actor

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2023 1:04 PM

2023-09-30T13:04:57-04:00

If someone respects you enough to salute you, I think you’d want to return it.

Response by Maj Bruce Miller made Sep 30 at 2023 7:04 PM

2023-09-30T19:04:33-04:00

Absolutely! Is there someone saying they should not return the salute?

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2023 1:18 PM

2023-10-01T13:18:14-04:00

Considering the enlisted at the gate are required to salute retired officers please do return it.

Response by MAJ Jpm Mcg made Oct 2 at 2023 12:46 PM

2023-10-02T12:46:13-04:00

A salute is a courtesy signifying respect for the rank (not necessarily the individual). When I was enlisted I considered it an honor to render a salute. After I gained my commission, I considered it an honor to return a salute. As a career paratrooper living near a Navy installation, I take great pride in saying "Airborne" while returning the gate guard's salute!

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Oct 2 at 2023 6:13 PM

2023-10-02T18:13:52-04:00

Return the salute if it’s safe to do so. It shows respect for the person rendering the salute.

Response by MAJ Eric G Troup made Oct 3 at 2023 2:35 PM

2023-10-03T14:35:48-04:00

I am a Major, US Army (retired). I did not give up my rank upon entering the retirement rolls. To this day mail from the US Army, USAA, or West Point is always addressed to Major Troup.

If anyone salutes me, I will make every effort to return that salute.

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Oct 4 at 2023 8:32 PM

2023-10-04T20:32:23-04:00

If they are recognized, and given the courtesy due their former rank, then yes.

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Oct 4 at 2023 8:38 PM

2023-10-04T20:38:18-04:00

Officers aren't important while active, much less retired. NCO's run the military.

Response by LTC Tom Barbeau made Oct 5 at 2023 4:17 PM

2023-10-05T16:17:35-04:00

I am confused by your statement. Did you resign your commission? A commission is for life unless it is removed or taken via court martial. From Military.com "When an officer retires, their commission normally remains in force and effect forever. In return for the privilege of being legally entitled to being addressed by their military rank and getting all their retirement benefits, they basically remain an "officer of the United States" until death."

Response by MAJ Joe L made Oct 27 at 2023 7:43 PM

2023-10-27T19:43:07-04:00

If they are showing me respect / courtesy and render a salute…. I will not disrespect them but not returning it.
I do not insist or solicit a salute. If they call me “Sir”, I tell them “no, it’s joe. But thank you.”

Response by MAJ Dennis Foote made Oct 27 at 2023 11:48 PM

2023-10-27T23:48:25-04:00

I just nod when I am at the gate in my car. If they, "Thank you for your service." I say, "Thank you, too."

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2023 6:07 PM

2023-10-28T18:07:38-04:00

AFAIK all commissions are indefinite unless resigned, you may have more insight on that however. My guess in regards to the gate guards, it’s most likely a CYA and it’s good to have those sorts of habits. I would hope more people get chewed out for no saluting then for saluting, when in doubt.

Response by SGT Jeff Ansley made Oct 29 at 2023 7:28 PM

2023-10-29T19:28:23-04:00

Even thought I am am no longer on active duty or in the reserves I always show respect to those who held a higher rank than I. I have friends that were officers and I still occasionally call them LT or Col, MAJ or other officer rank. I still refer to 1st Sgts and Sgt Majors by their ranks at time and still call my dad Top at times. It is a sign of respect given and earned. Also I always show respect to MGYSGTs. They earned it.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Oct 30 at 2023 12:28 PM

2023-10-30T12:28:03-04:00

That's their choice.

Response by SGT Al Mount made Oct 30 at 2023 2:15 PM

2023-10-30T14:15:46-04:00

They are saluting the "Officers Sticker", not you.

Response by LCpl Sandy Moran made Oct 31 at 2023 10:17 AM

2023-10-31T10:17:10-04:00

yes. If they show you respect of your rank even retired. Then you should show respect, to there acknowledgement of your rank.

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Nov 2 at 2023 6:18 AM

2023-11-02T06:18:51-04:00

HECK YEA!!!! I understand if you read AR 600-??? it will tell you this that and the other thing. However, if (in my opinion) people who know you are still Saluting you and still doing what they are suppose to do when they see and still treat you as if you were still in then rendering a Salute back is the approaiate thing in my opinion

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2023 2:50 PM

2023-11-03T14:50:29-04:00

. . . .don't salute retirees in the first place.. . . .

Response by WO1 Mike Dwyer made Nov 27 at 2023 12:19 AM

2023-11-27T00:19:47-05:00

Recently I took a retired warrant officer friend who was having health issues to a local Air Force base. He's been retired since around 1989. After presenting his ID, the kid on the gate leaned over and saluted my buddy through my open window. My buddy was fumbling around trying to put his ID back in his wallet. After about 30 seconds, with the kid saluting like a statue, I finally said, "He's saluting you." My buddy whipped out a salute and we traveled on

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2023 3:33 PM

2023-11-29T15:33:56-05:00

No harm in returning that salute! They rendered it in recognition of your previously held rank and as a gesture of acknowledgement, respect, and gratitude for your services it is therefore rendered! On another note, we were all thought that when in doubt it is better rendered than not! Not saying anyone is right or wrong here; just my perspective!

Response by CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin made Nov 30 at 2023 12:11 PM

2023-11-30T12:11:53-05:00

I always return a salute.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Dec 1 at 2023 5:37 PM

2023-12-01T17:37:29-05:00

It is a sign of respect for your former rank, you deserve it, Semper Fi

Response by MAJ Stephen Barnard made Dec 5 at 2023 4:04 AM

2023-12-05T04:04:30-05:00

Acknowledgement is important, but not in the form of an attempted "proper" salute.

Response by COL Thomas McGrath made Dec 25 at 2023 11:54 PM

2023-12-25T23:54:59-05:00

I would out of respect

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Dec 26 at 2023 9:25 AM

2023-12-26T09:25:01-05:00

LTC Dallas Powell I would think it is the respectful thing to do but it is a personal choice after you are retired. After a couple time of returning salutes it will feel OK! I salute you sir for your service to out great country.

Response by Capt Bruce Kramer made Dec 27 at 2023 9:46 AM

2023-12-27T09:46:19-05:00

It's been 20+ years since I retired AND I've ALWAYS returned the SP's salute when I drive on base -- NEVER given it a thought not to! Plus, I always include a verbal "Thank You" AND often try to compliment them and / or encourage them, especially when they're standing there with the snow (or rain) blowing sideways...and I can "see" them shivering, yet with a welcoming smile on their face. Granted there is the occasional SP who looks like he / she is mad at the world, doesn't want to be there, or whatever... and especially try to greet them with encouraging words... AND IF there's not a line of traffic behind me, I linger long enough to sometimes receive feedback and an apparent change in attitude by the SP. To me the "salute" is recognition of our bond that cuts across rank, status and location (within reason).

As a Lutheran pastor now in later life, no matter the decease's rank, I always render a final salute at the cemetery following taps. AND the only ones who have ever questioned my salute have been civilians -- never an enlisted, officer or even a GO in uniform graveside beside me. For me it's a great privilege to be part of the family of all who have served / are serving this great country; and as members of that family we are blessed with a way -- saluting one another-- to acknowledge our brothers and sisters -- a way that "communicates" to one another whether I'm sitting in the cockpit, engines roaring, ready to roll and give a final salute to those waving me on, or whether I'm sitting sitting in my car/truck -- probably reasonably quiet -- and I acknowledge the SP waving me on through the gate by returning a sharp salute! IMO... when in doubt, salute! As I said in 20+ years I've never been called out / reprimanded (by a military person) for saluting another in my civies. ;-)

Response by SPC John Braun made Jan 14 at 2024 1:34 AM

2024-01-14T01:34:35-05:00

One of the best things to come along is when anyone of prior service, regardless of dress was allowed to salute our Flag rather than put my hand over my heart like a schoolboy, If I can salute our Flag, I will surely salute any officer who served that Flag. Get a grip LTC , those salutes are EARNED NOT `GIVEN.'

Response by 1LT Luke Flowers made Jan 20 at 2024 12:46 AM

2024-01-20T00:46:25-05:00

I say the salute is more important than anyone’s ego about it.

Consider the history of the salute. That it is a sign of respect and courtesy that Knights, Hoplites and other warriors since time immemorial have rendered unto each other.

It’s been my experience only shitbags want to get out of rendering a salute or displaying customs and courtesies.

There are certain men and women I will salute to the die I do if only because I know what those men and women, those incredible American treasures, those American sons and daughters, my brothers and sisters, I know what they have been through and the type of life they have busted for their fellow Americans.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Feb 16 at 2024 4:58 PM

2024-02-16T16:58:58-05:00

Since I am rarely if ever in uniform I rarely am saluted, except at gates by gate guards in uniform. I always return a salute if I am able to do so. The salute is a greeting and the honor bestowed is the honor returned when we return salutes. But I would never demand a salute nor would I expect one in other circumstances. If a gate guard or other person greets me by rank I also try to recognize his or her rank in returning the greeting. Like many officers I began my service as an enlisted member and I never felt it demeaning to render a salute, either as one saluting a superior or as one returning a salute.

Response by COL Mike Ellicott made Feb 19 at 2024 3:44 PM

2024-02-19T15:44:57-05:00

If a soldier salutes me I think its my obligation to return it.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2024 9:48 AM

2024-02-23T09:48:41-05:00

It is a privilege to salute, Who says you don't retain your rank, did you earn it, did you disgrace it, did you give it up, its part of who you are, It's yours, A young Marine, Solder, Airman, Sailor gives you a salute rendering you the honor of their respect. You do what you think is right answering that respect. And as of 2008 you have the privilege to salute the National Anthem, and the Flag, its yours you earned it.

Response by 1SG John Millan made Feb 23 at 2024 1:11 PM

2024-02-23T13:11:38-05:00

Yes, common courtesy and retirees are still “in” the military. The US Supreme Court ruled in a recent case retirees are still military members subject to the UCMJ for life, but in a change of status. It is both an official and courteous action.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Feb 26 at 2024 8:43 AM

2024-02-26T08:43:48-05:00

Please keep in Mind That the Salute Is There Honor to render as a Sign of Respect. In some guard Posts SOP it is a requirement Not selective. What kind of Soup sandwich would you have at the gate if personnel were allowed to be selective. More importantly I had a conversation with one of the gate Guards about this practice Because He saluted me at the gate and i am enlisted. He quickly told me that it is his right and honor to Salute, In Addition He was saluting as a show of respect for the time served to earn a Retired ID.
Unlike the Vet-Nam era now people on the street even are Honored to show the respect for The service rendered. I Enlisted in the early 70's- and retired in late 96. I have learn through the years that" The old days" of service where people went out of there way to disrespect and some times physically disrespect People in Uniform, To being honored for your service (with a Salute) is a welcome Change. Thank you for your Service LTC. SLOW SALUTE.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Feb 26 at 2024 9:40 AM

2024-02-26T09:40:05-05:00

Yes.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 29 at 2024 8:12 PM

2024-02-29T20:12:01-05:00

If a salute goes out, I will always return it.

Response by LTC John Daly made Mar 7 at 2024 4:35 PM

2024-03-07T16:35:37-05:00

If you are Retired, whether you are a GO or a Private, you retain your retired rank. You should return a soldier's salute.

Response by COL Ralph Bryan Hanes made Mar 23 at 2024 10:53 PM

2024-03-23T22:53:12-04:00

I too am retired. I return all salutes. It costs me nothing and to fail to do so is a rejection of the military courtesy offered by the one offering the salute.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Mar 24 at 2024 8:18 PM

2024-03-24T20:18:09-04:00

Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Definitely yes.
For how long, and how hard did you work to gain the privilege of being saluted? And you want to Stop doing that now, because...?

Response by SrA Cecelia Eareckson made Mar 24 at 2024 8:34 PM

2024-03-24T20:34:47-04:00

Why would you not? You were shown a courtesy. Return it, geeze!

Response by CWO4 Carter Owens made Mar 25 at 2024 9:17 AM

2024-03-25T09:17:39-04:00

I say no. Especially for O-5 and below. Even us retired Warrants....... Just kidding. We all know the history behind the Salute. But can you imagine way back in the day if a Swabbie on a British Frigate would get 15 lashes for not rendering respect to a Officer on deck. Hand Salute

Response by LT Alex Corsi made Mar 25 at 2024 8:28 PM

2024-03-25T20:28:18-04:00

No.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Mar 26 at 2024 4:11 PM

2024-03-26T16:11:45-04:00

Us military aren't citizens, because we don't even get jury trials. We're public servants. As such, salutes are for fellow military. All citizens outrank ALL of us. And the president, who is also a public servant. No servant can tell a citizen what to do. I am telling as many as possible that they can technically lock our heels in a corner, though.....

Response by SSG David Forler made Mar 27 at 2024 7:20 PM

2024-03-27T19:20:30-04:00

Not required, but I would say respect, honor, might support it

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2024 8:10 PM

2024-03-27T20:10:27-04:00

I say - It's a courtesy rendered from one brother in arms to another to respect the rank the member served. If they're going to make the effort to respect your retired rank then it's only right and proper to return it.

Response by MAJ Stephan Hill made Mar 29 at 2024 11:21 PM

2024-03-29T23:21:23-04:00

Regular Army officers retain their rank on the retired list, and I assume that reserve officers do as well.

So, yes, you should return their salutes.

Response by CPT David Tanner made Mar 31 at 2024 6:47 PM

2024-03-31T18:47:15-04:00

Even though I been retired for almost 9 years, I will always be a Soldier and will always be an officer. Out of uniform, since Congress approved it, I will always salute during the Pledge of Allegiance, National Anthem, the flag being presented or part of a parade or if someone salutes me, I will always salute back. It should not be mandatory out of uniform, but you should always salute out of mutual respect for all military brothers and sisters and out of respect for our flag and our country.

Response by 1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR) made Apr 1 at 2024 1:19 PM

2024-04-01T13:19:43-04:00

A salute is a courtesy... If possible, return the salute regardless of what your status is. Driving is another factor - you are not required to and should not salute if you are driving a vehicle. I have been saluted by young soldiers and I returned the salute before letting them know it is not required to salute a senior NCO. By the way... You will notice some Special Ops officers and enlisted wearing beards. I still salute them! I always found it better to salute when I was not certain if it was required. That's why, during my early years on my Hawaii assignment, I saluted a lot of enlisted sailors... Did so until I took some time to study rank and insignia for the Navy!

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2024 8:28 PM

2024-04-21T20:28:54-04:00

You earned it!

Response by MSG J G. Sandy Phillips made Apr 22 at 2024 1:35 AM

2024-04-22T01:35:26-04:00

A salute is a greeting between military personnel, including those of who are retired. It's not an obligation, at least to me, but a privilege. I take pride in saluting. I understand how you may feel. I would say that, retired REFRAD, if you feel like acknowledging the salute with a return, do it. If you don't, at least smile and, if the windows down, say "Good day."

Response by MSgt William Hammett made Apr 22 at 2024 1:51 PM

2024-04-22T13:51:49-04:00

If you are retired military do you have to give a fellow retiree a salute or obey them when they say it's a order? I thought retired military except for Generals/Admirals have no power over us enlisted. I have a E-8 enlisted retired who says I have to do what he says since I am a retired E-7. Please advise.

Response by CPT Clifford Breeden made Apr 24 at 2024 12:15 AM

2024-04-24T00:15:18-04:00

If someone recognizes you as an officer and salutes, return the salute and "Good....." and move on. The person is honoring you. I am veteran, not retired, i still salute our beautiful flag, i salute a Medal of Honor receipiant! And i still salute a Flag rank officer and i call them General or Admiral. It's call showing respect.