Saw two guys in PTs at the DFW airport. I've never seen that before. Can you wear the Army PT uniform when you fly for personal travel?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:28:31 -0500

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 11:33 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:33:35 -0500

My wife and I landed at DFW, and I saw two guys in full winter PTs, minus the gloves and headgear. The first question I asked myself was, "Can we do that?" I've never seen anyone in public wearing their PT uniform. I've flown in Class As and ACUs before but only after I made sure it was okay. I just wasn't sure if there was any reg against wearing the PT uniform for civilian flights.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Nov 23 at 2016 11:33 AM

Cpl Justin Goolsby — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:33:53 -0500

For Marines it's a no go. Army could be different, but I highly doubt it. PT uniforms are strictly for PT.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 11:34 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:34:16 -0500

No don't do it if you are going to be off post doing things the proper uniform would be ASU's. You should not travel in uniform.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 11:38 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:38:04 -0500

I don't know if there is a specific restriction but I imagine there would be rare circumstances where it may be the only option.

It would draw my attention but I typically have better things to do than run around the airport being uniform police.

Response by CPT Laurie H. made Nov 23 at 2016 11:38 AM

CPT Laurie H. — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:38:23 -0500

Only ASU and ACU are authorized for commercial travel as of the spring of 2015.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 11:52 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:52:03 -0500

Negative. ACU/OCP and ASU only.

Response by CPT Douglas Bryant made Nov 23 at 2016 11:58 AM

CPT Douglas Bryant — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:58:03 -0500

Bottom Line Up Front - NO

This is from AR 670-1 Chapter 12–3. Occasions for wear. See Chapter 12-3 c (1)

a. All-purpose wear. The physical fitness uniform is authorized for wear on and off duty, on and off the installation,
unless restricted by the commander. Soldiers may wear all or part of the physical fitness uniform with civilian attire off
the installation, unless restricted by the commander. The physical fitness uniform is not intended for wear as an allpurpose
uniform when other uniforms are more appropriate.
b. Approved wear. The physical fitness uniform is prescribed for year-round wear for all Soldiers, unless otherwise
directed by the commander. Soldiers may wear the physical fitness uniform off-post unless prohibited by the
commander.
c. Restrictions on wear.
(1) Soldiers may not wear the physical fitness uniform for commercial travel.
(2) Personnel may not wear a physical fitness uniform in off-post establishments that primarily sell alcohol. If the
off-post establishment sells alcohol and food, Soldiers may not wear a physical fitness uniform if their activities in the
establishment center on the drinking of alcohol.
(3) Physical fitness uniform are not considered appropriate for social or official functions off the installation, such as
memorial services, funerals, weddings, inaugurals, patriotic ceremonies, and similar functions.
(4) Commanders may further restrict wear of the physical fitness uniform IAW paragraph 2–6c.
(5) The physical fitness uniform is not appropriate for parades, reviews, and ceremonies.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Nov 23 at 2016 12:34 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:34:13 -0500

No. full stop

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 12:36 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:36:38 -0500

They shouldnt be flying while in PT Uniform.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Nov 23 at 2016 12:49 PM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:49:17 -0500

no no no -- don't do it. not authorized.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 1:06 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:06:41 -0500

No. The only uniform authorized for leisure travel (unless it has changed since my last PCS) is the ASU.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 1:08 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:08:44 -0500

As other have stated, the answer is no. When in public, we always want to put our best foot forward.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Nov 23 at 2016 1:24 PM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:24:40 -0500

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 1:44 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:44:55 -0500

here is the actual quote of the AR 670-1. Take special note to C-1

12–3. Occasions for wear
a. All-purpose wear. The physical fitness uniform is authorized for wear on and off duty, on and off the installation, unless restricted by the commander. Soldiers may wear all or part of the physical fitness uniform with civilian attire off the installation, unless restricted by the commander. The physical fitness uniform is not intended for wear as an all purpose uniform when other uniforms are more appropriate.
b. Approved wear. The physical fitness uniform is prescribed for year-round wear for all Soldiers, unless otherwise directed by the commander. Soldiers may wear the physical fitness uniform off-post unless prohibited by the commander.
c. Restrictions on wear.
(1) Soldiers may not wear the physical fitness uniform for commercial travel.
(2) Personnel may not wear the physical fitness uniform in off-post establishments, unless for purchase of essential items (for example, gas).
(3) The physical fitness uniform is not considered appropriate for social or official functions off the installation, such as memorial services, funerals, weddings, inaugurals, patriotic ceremonies, and similar functions.
(4) Commanders may further restrict wear of the physical fitness uniform per paragraph 2–6c.
(5) The physical fitness uniform is not appropriate for parades, reviews, and ceremonies.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 2:17 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:17:52 -0500

No you can not.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 2:27 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:27:32 -0500

You can't even wear them to the PX on most posts, why in the wide, wide world of sports would you want to wear them on a plane??

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 2:37 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:37:22 -0500

very good question thank you for posting this.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 2:45 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:45:10 -0500

That's a negative Ghostrider!

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Nov 23 at 2016 3:07 PM

PO3 Donald Murphy — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 15:07:00 -0500

Its like asking if I can wear my pajamas to walmart. "Yes," but "why?"

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Nov 23 at 2016 4:00 PM

SPC Erich Guenther — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 16:00:30 -0500

Also, just because others dress like crap in coach doesn't mean you should follow the bad example. If it was me the minimum I would go would be business casual. Old T-Shirts and ripped or worn shorts / jeans.......look like crap, IMO. PT or Gym gear should never be worn on a civilian plane by anyone, in my view.

Response by SFC A.M. Drake made Nov 23 at 2016 5:12 PM

SFC A.M. Drake — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:12:29 -0500

Response by SFC William Farrell made Nov 23 at 2016 8:08 PM

SFC William Farrell — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:08:03 -0500

Why would you even want to CPT Private RallyPoint Member

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Nov 23 at 2016 8:17 PM

MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:17:10 -0500

Maybe it was because I was involved with SAP/SAR programs but ANY wear or display of military related clothing or items while traveling was considered an OPSEC violation. I think you probably could wear PT's while traveling but in this day of uncertainty, I certainly would recommend NOT doing so.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 11:34 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 23:34:09 -0500

Why would you want to wear a PT uniform to travel? Is my initial response. Heck to the no!!!!!

Response by SFC Daniel McIntire made Nov 24 at 2016 8:15 AM

SFC Daniel McIntire — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:15:15 -0500

No! Refer to CPT Bryant's entry (670-1 for further guidance).

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2016 9:03 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:03:21 -0500

Question should be why would you want to?

Response by Cadet PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2016 2:12 PM

Cadet PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:12:45 -0500

ASU and ACU only no PT wear for planes and Air Force only service dress on plane unless your duty station requires you to be in ABU's when you get off the plane.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Nov 24 at 2016 2:46 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:46:35 -0500

While I notice the real regulation answers already here there is another answer you should think about, OPSEC. If you advertise who you are and what you are a part of you become an easier target. Happy Thanksgiving.

Response by SGT(P) Jennifer Brande made Nov 25 at 2016 9:54 AM

SGT(P) Jennifer Brande — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:54:09 -0500

There are circumstances when it might be for whatever reason, but always ask!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 25 at 2016 2:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:19:57 -0500

No! Hell, no! No flying in ACUs/OCPs... No flying in PTs... If you're going to fly in a uniform (which is discouraged) ASU's (As or Bs). Even that is expressly forbidden for overseas flights.
This is all generally speaking. There are exceptions to everything (some MAC flights, special situations, etc), but they've tightened up on rules for flying in uniform. Especially leisure flight

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 25 at 2016 11:55 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:55:01 -0500

There's obviously a difference between "may you" and "should you".

If you're a cadet, I'd reccomend you talk with your cadre who have more context on the situation (and you) than random SM's on the internet.

Response by SPC Douglas Bolton made Nov 26 at 2016 10:48 PM

SPC Douglas Bolton — Sat, 26 Nov 2016 22:48:17 -0500

I asked a similar question about wearing my PT jacket to my athletic club while I worked out. Many said it was OK but I can guess that flying on a plane may be different. I had one high ranking official tell that the Army encourages it to help sell the Army.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2016 5:12 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 17:12:28 -0500

Response by Cadet SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2016 8:34 PM

Cadet SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:34:40 -0500

Nooooooooooo

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2016 10:22 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:22:49 -0500

I thought that it was not permitted to wear any uniform while traveling (ATFP), unless stated on the orders.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2016 1:06 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 13:06:52 -0500

Here is a possible reason why they were wearing it; they are no longer in the Army.

Response by MAJ Robert Wren made Nov 28 at 2016 5:18 PM

MAJ Robert Wren — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:18:52 -0500

Although it is important that it is in the regs, IMHO the bottom line is that it shows a lack of respect and professionalism.

I know it is common for people to wear sweats and even PJs when they shop, go out to eat, etc. But, I personally don't even go to the store in civilian sweat pants unless the situation is unavoidable (i.e., quick honey-do on the way home from the gym, etc.) ... but traveling in PT clothes now or when I was active duty ... wow!

Response by SGT Larry Holland made Nov 29 at 2016 7:50 AM

SGT Larry Holland — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 07:50:35 -0500

Also the guys you saw maybe not be military, but are wannabes.

Response by SGT Larry Holland made Nov 29 at 2016 7:56 AM

SGT Larry Holland — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 07:56:03 -0500

In some states, there are military surplus stores where you can buy nearly all uniforms of the military. They may have just went & bought them because they wanted to serve but couldn't.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2016 8:42 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 08:42:15 -0500

Unauthorized!! [Knife hand gesture]

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2016 8:53 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 08:53:33 -0500

I agree it is not authorized unless by commander.

Response by SPC Kevin Campbell Lopez made Nov 29 at 2016 1:57 PM

SPC Kevin Campbell Lopez — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:57:53 -0500

CPT Douglas Bryant Posted a pretty clear answer. The only case I can think of is if the Soldier is maybe in some sort of medical condition or hell, even quarters, while traveling.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2016 5:46 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:46:36 -0500

I don't understand why they would chose to wear the PT uniform while traveling. Besides the fact I just received a security brief saying we should try and avoid traveling in military uniform because it makes us a target SMH!!! If they wear authorized then hey SMH!!!!

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2016 5:04 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:04:21 -0500

Why would you that's too much hooah with some mental retardation

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2016 5:04 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:04:26 -0500

Why would you that's too much hooah with some mental retardation

Response by SFC Scott Hudnall made Dec 6 at 2016 11:06 AM

SFC Scott Hudnall — Tue, 06 Dec 2016 11:06:04 -0500

Maybe they were "Running " late for their flight?!?! ;) They were more than likely not active duty! Other wise they would have known better!

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2016 6:06 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Dec 2016 18:06:27 -0500

No.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2016 1:46 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 01:46:03 -0500

Hey there Cadet MAJ wish you luck in becoming an officer and a gentleman. When I was in the US Army traveling through airports, you have to wear your Class-A uniform, period. Nowadays, I see soldiers with just their ACUs (BDUs in my days) in airports. So, why not travel with PT uniforms, too.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2016 1:58 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 01:58:57 -0500

SGM Jeff Bullard I am curious why you voted this down, Sergeant Major.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2016 2:01 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 02:01:56 -0500

Maybe they are the winners of the US Army Physical Fitness Test with a badge in addendum. Showing off their stuff, you know?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 8:41 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 08:41:43 -0500

Wow! No words for these new generation soldiers. 7yrs as a Ds I know I instilled Army pride and regulations in my soldiers. Kills me to read things like this.

Response by CW4 William (David) Craig made Jan 24 at 2017 10:05 AM

CW4 William (David) Craig — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:05:51 -0500

I think it is pretty clear by Cpt Bryant response that it is against regulations to travel dressed in PT uniforms. When I was on active duty travel was in class A's, no exceptions. Of course, I see a lot of soldiers coming and going to oversea assignments in BDU's in ATL so I assume the rules have changed somewhat since I retired in 1987. Whole new world out there.

Response by SSG Brian MacBain made Jan 25 at 2017 8:05 AM

SSG Brian MacBain — Wed, 25 Jan 2017 08:05:21 -0500

I know this is little bit off topic, but at least most of you (pertaining to Army) did not had to wear the ugly color of yellow PT shorts that always splits the seams. Also, as CPT Douglas Bryant had stated for Army, AR 670-1 Chapter 12-3. For the other services, has their own regulations similar to the Army.

Response by PFC Timothy Ahern made Feb 8 at 2017 1:33 PM

PFC Timothy Ahern — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:33:46 -0500

I don't know about today's Army but back when I was in it WASN'T ALLOWED and you either dressed in civies or khaki's or class A's

Response by PFC Timothy Ahern made Feb 8 at 2017 1:38 PM

PFC Timothy Ahern — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:38:23 -0500

That e2 would have lots of extra duty + article 15 and if it continued I would smoke them with a little extra pt. Until I got tired but I'm old school today they would probably get a kindergarten type time out in the corner

Response by K Mac made Dec 3 at 2018 9:17 PM

K Mac — Mon, 03 Dec 2018 21:17:17 -0500

My work has me in airports all the time. It is pretty common when kids don't make it through Boot Camp, they give them a set of PTs to wear, a ride to the airport, and a plane ticket home.

Response by SSG Jon Tielking made Dec 4 at 2018 4:23 PM

SSG Jon Tielking — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:23:34 -0500

Could have been privates chaptered out of basic training.

Response by SGT Michael Hartman made Dec 4 at 2018 8:00 PM

SGT Michael Hartman — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 20:00:48 -0500

Soldiers like this give the military a bad name. I hope they are harshly disciplined.

Response by SSG Jess Peters made Dec 4 at 2018 8:30 PM

SSG Jess Peters — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 20:30:15 -0500

The only uniforms that should be worn on commercial travel are class A or civilian dress. In the distant past, we had the class B khaki option, which was preferable in warm weather.

Response by SSG Jess Peters made Dec 4 at 2018 8:36 PM

SSG Jess Peters — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 20:36:30 -0500

Perhaps there should be a periodic class for personnel on the rules regarding uniforms. There have been many changes over the years. Most of my career PT uniforms did not exist. We did it in fatigues or BDUs and boots. Then came tennis shoes and T-shirts. Some updates can be covered in a classroom, as well as reminders. This could easily be handled at Company or platoon level.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2018 9:07 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 21:07:39 -0500

Lol i cant rn

Response by LCDR Tim McKenzie made Dec 4 at 2018 9:45 PM

LCDR Tim McKenzie — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 21:45:35 -0500

These are good examples of stupid uniform rules. The average American would not even recognize a pair of military sweats. They would likely assume it was bought in a mall. I wore a flight jacket over navy sweats to a gym on NAS Oceana one Saturday morning at the Gym. (I still wear a high and tight and look young for my age). A Marine Gunny came up to me and told me that I was violating uniform refs. I wore that type of thing for 20 years when I was on active duty. Then I laughed at him and told him I had been retired 10 years. He thought he was older than me. I make sure to wear my jacket and sweats now every time.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2018 11:10 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 23:10:27 -0500

I must ask for clarification. Was it the old pts? Or the current ones? But really it's a no-go. 670-1 under occasions for wear. On top of that there's also unit and post memorandums at most places that restrict wear as well.

Response by HA Jace Gallagher made Dec 5 at 2018 7:51 AM

HA Jace Gallagher — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 07:51:48 -0500

I never actually read the regular for the Navy, but all my commands told me to never wear them outside PT just to be safe.

Response by SGT Timothy Strashinsky made Dec 5 at 2018 9:52 AM

SGT Timothy Strashinsky — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 09:52:13 -0500

Are they vets? Or are they the old marshmallow suits?

Response by MSG Scott McBride made Dec 5 at 2018 1:16 PM

MSG Scott McBride — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 13:16:58 -0500

Don't know why our comrades ask these type of questions. Open the regulation and local unit policy on occasuims for wear. C'mon guys.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Dec 5 at 2018 4:04 PM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:04:27 -0500

Chapter 10
Physical Fitness Uniform
Note. Authorized accessories are found in DA Pam 670–1.
10–3. Occasions for wear
a. All-purpose wear. The physical fitness uniform is authorized for wear on and off duty, on and off the installation, unless restricted by the commander.
Soldiers may wear all or part of the physical fitness uniform with civilian attire off the installation, unless restricted by the commander.
The physical fitness uniform is not intended for wear as an all- purpose uniform when other uniforms are more appropriate.

b. Approved wear.
The physical fitness uniform is prescribed for year-round wear for all Soldiers, unless otherwise directed by the commander.

Soldiers may wear the physical fitness uniform off-post unless prohibited by the commander.
c. Restrictions on wear.

(1) Soldiers may not wear the physical fitness uniform for commercial travel.

(2) Personnel may not wear the physical fitness uniform in off-post establishments, unless for purchase of essential items (for example, gas).

(3) The physical fitness uniform is not considered appropriate for social or official functions off the installation, such as memorial services, funerals, weddings, inaugurals, patriotic ceremonies, and similar functions.

(4) Commanders may further restrict wear of the physical fitness uniform per paragraph 2–5c.
(5) The physical fitness uniform is not appropriate for parades, reviews, and ceremonies.

US Army Regulation doesn’t authorize shut abused by any Soldiers. The Army doesn’t grand Soldiers to travel in PT Uniform.

Response by MSgt Blake Fairchild made Dec 5 at 2018 4:28 PM

MSgt Blake Fairchild — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:28:33 -0500

Is that not what the acronym "PT" stands for?
PT = Personal Travel

Response by SPC Karim Abdullah made Dec 6 at 2018 12:43 AM

SPC Karim Abdullah — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 00:43:24 -0500

Humorous story, many of the officers, from my unit (HHB DIVARTY, 5th INF DIV) returning to Fort Polk from NTC during one of my 3 trips there in 1985, were rumored to be on a civilian flight wearing...the Brown t-shirts and yellow PT shorts with socks and running shoes. Mind you there were NO pockets in the shorts back then and our E-8 operations Sgt was highly upset at the appearance of his junior officers. The regular guys E-7 thru E-2 returned on a flight a week later, however we weren't allowed to wear civilian clothing. As soon as we arrived back our Operations Sgt E-8 was still complaining about the appearance of his junior officers and their wearing of PT uniforms on the return flight.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2018 2:37 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 02:37:09 -0500

I’m guessing they didn’t get properly briefed the 2 mile course.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2018 10:51 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 10:51:03 -0500

Army PTs we’re authorized with civilian attire in an effort to boost enlistments. Typically the idea was to wear the shirt with civilian attire to promote the Army brand. I don’t see this exemplifying the spirit behind that decision . Then again the Army was trying to implement reflective belts in kinetic combat zones where snipers are known to operate so common sense isn’t always common.

Response by SFC Harry H. made Dec 6 at 2018 12:03 PM

SFC Harry H. — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:03:47 -0500

Sure you can, it's called I'm ETSed and now a civilian.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2018 4:10 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:10:44 -0500

Gentlemen. The Marine Corps adheres to a much higher standard.

Response by SPC(P) Mike Conley Jr. made Dec 6 at 2018 4:13 PM

SPC(P) Mike Conley Jr. — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:13:20 -0500

I was told before we deployed that no uniforms are authorized. You have to travel in civilians if it's not for official business. Don't take my word as fact though. That's just what our COC told us. I deployed with a brigade level element.

Response by Chuck Mabry made Dec 6 at 2018 5:12 PM

Chuck Mabry — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 17:12:30 -0500

Seams to me that there’s a lot of posts on here that really seams so petty. Like this one, just to get a quarrel started?

Response by SP5 Gary Smith made Dec 6 at 2018 5:32 PM

SP5 Gary Smith — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 17:32:16 -0500

So petty. This is why I retired at 24.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2018 6:00 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:00:30 -0500

Why of all things wear the APFU? At least wear a good set of OCPs or ASU.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Dec 6 at 2018 7:00 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 19:00:28 -0500

Kind of tacky also disrespectful Sir.. that like the “utility uniform”. Belongs at the Post or the base. Not at a public venue.
My personal opinion Sir.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2018 7:44 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 19:44:17 -0500

You know when are a young private fresh out of basic and you get the opportunity to wear uniform home to show mom and dad, cool. Why on earth would anyone want to wear a uniform during commercial travel? It just puts a target on you, “oh look at me I’m in the Army!” I like to blend in, but hey maybe that’s just me.

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Dec 7 at 2018 2:54 AM

SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales — Fri, 07 Dec 2018 02:54:12 -0500

Could be that both were coincidentally recently out of the Army?? Lol

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Dec 7 at 2018 11:25 AM

LTC Jeff Shearer — Fri, 07 Dec 2018 11:25:32 -0500

Zach I my many years of wearing a uniform the answer is simple, NO. I most cases in the units I was in would have been followed with something like, "hey tough guy pack your shit and find a new home"

On civilian air craft I normally traveled in civilian clothes and there was a pretty strict dress code for that as well.

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Dec 7 at 2018 11:29 AM

LTC Jeff Shearer — Fri, 07 Dec 2018 11:29:22 -0500

I have seen a handful of guy get on contract AC or regular civilian AC from a war zone somewhere and wear camouflage uniform, never a PT. Most of the time I had to do with some kind of emergency.

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Dec 7 at 2018 11:33 AM

1SG Dennis Hicks — Fri, 07 Dec 2018 11:33:21 -0500

Any idiot that would wear a PT uniform or as I have seen pajamas on a flight is an idiot that will self correct in the career fairly soon. In the day and age of digital picture posting on social media there is always a chance their COC will fix this.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Dec 7 at 2018 6:54 PM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Fri, 07 Dec 2018 18:54:22 -0500

To this old fa$& who couldn't wear fatigues off base the answer would be a resounding NO! Suppose this could also be former member of the Army who wore comfortable clothes, but the fact that they didn't think about what they were wearing probably shows why they are former Army.

Response by PO2 Roger LaFarlette made Dec 16 at 2018 4:26 PM

PO2 Roger LaFarlette — Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:26:56 -0500

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Dec 24 at 2018 7:05 AM

1SG John Highfill — Mon, 24 Dec 2018 07:05:52 -0500

I see a lack of knowledge for Army reg throughout these subject should be brought up during Sergeants Time or during small group leadership classes

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2018 1:21 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Dec 2018 13:21:25 -0500

It just looks tacky to soldiers. Everyone else doesnt mind

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Jan 12 at 2019 3:04 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Sat, 12 Jan 2019 15:04:19 -0500

I can only speak for Naval personnel, but, all travel is done in the dress uniform of the day. It can be uncomfortable if you are flying from a cold climate and heading for Hawaii.

Response by CPT Kevin Handy made Jan 25 at 2019 1:03 AM

CPT Kevin Handy — Fri, 25 Jan 2019 01:03:46 -0500

I saw Navy in their PT sweats strolling through the airport over the Holidays. Didn't think it looked appropriate or professional.
I remember when the new ACU's came out ~2005 and we were encouraged to travel in them as a way of getting the public exposed to the new digital pattern after decades in woodland camouflage.
I don't think the new PTs need to be shown off in the same way.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Jan 25 at 2019 4:37 PM

SFC Marcus Belt — Fri, 25 Jan 2019 16:37:09 -0500

Many years ago after a long FTX at YPG my unit and I were sitting in front of the laundromat at MCAS Yuma in our PTs. After 45 days, everything I owned was not just dirty, they were funky. So a shower at the gym and a trip to the laundry in my PTs was more appropriate than blasting the fine people around us with 45 days of sweat and misery.

The AR is authoritative sure, but seriously, another “soldiers don’t follow regs” thread?

Ok.

Response by SPC Steven King made Jan 25 at 2019 6:03 PM

SPC Steven King — Fri, 25 Jan 2019 18:03:35 -0500

Might just be people not in the military anymore. I occasionally wear my old PT top out in public, especially in colder weather.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2019 9:19 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Jan 2019 21:19:59 -0500

Response by PO2 Weaver Brian made Jan 26 at 2019 3:09 AM

PO2 Weaver Brian — Sat, 26 Jan 2019 03:09:59 -0500

Ummmm. NO!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2019 4:28 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 26 Jan 2019 16:28:41 -0500

AR670-1 as of October 2017 and it has not been able to the only clothing not authorized for us is the pt shirt with civ clothing on post period had to deal with this while deployed with a few of my soldiers

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2019 7:24 AM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Jan 2019 07:24:40 -0500

I may be mistaken, but I thought the Secretary of Defense (Gen Mattis) issued an order that no military personnel were to travel commercial in any uniform type. However, even if you are allowed to fly in uniform, you have to look neat in appearance and project a professional look. PT Uniform may be appropriate for those who are just coming out of a hospital but their orders would need to show that.

Response by SFC Chet Crowell made Jan 28 at 2019 7:42 AM

SFC Chet Crowell — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 07:42:11 -0500

I guess that’s their active wear!

Response by SGT Mark Seymour made Jan 28 at 2019 11:51 AM

SGT Mark Seymour — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 11:51:25 -0500

That is a big negative. I can’t imagine anyone even wanting to wear PT uniform on a plane.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2019 12:22 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 12:22:46 -0500

Should’ve taken a picture!

Response by SFC Cj Thompson made Jan 28 at 2019 12:33 PM

SFC Cj Thompson — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 12:33:09 -0500

Yes. 670-1 states the PT uniform is authorized to be worn in whole or in part while off duty.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jan 29 at 2019 7:08 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:08:45 -0500

HELL NO!!!!! Class A's, yes, BDU's, yes. PT's HELL NO!!!!!

Response by PO1 Voodoo Degenerate made Jan 30 at 2019 2:42 PM

PO1 Voodoo Degenerate — Wed, 30 Jan 2019 14:42:07 -0500

They wanna be "that guy" so be it.

Response by PO1 Voodoo Degenerate made Jan 30 at 2019 2:42 PM

PO1 Voodoo Degenerate — Wed, 30 Jan 2019 14:42:50 -0500

If they wanna be "that guy" so be it.

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made Jan 31 at 2019 9:18 AM

Cpl Glynis Sakowicz — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 09:18:33 -0500

For a moment, I just sat here, and remembered my PT gear, and then I actually tried to place myself in a public setting wearing it. Didn't manage that, I literally could not get my mind to go there! Call it USMC training, or whatever you will, but if I'd been there, I'd have been the bellowing voice in the background saying "OH NO THEY DIDN'T!!!"
People have really got to consider this... only about 3% of the entire nation even serves now, and to them, each time they see someone in uniform, we ARE that service! What are grungy PT's saying about the Army?
Come on people, go Civilian if you have to be anywhere, Lord knows we did, because it wasn't even allowed for us to stop anywhere in our BDU, unless we were actually running out of gas or heading to a hospital for emergency treatment of some sort...

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2019 2:27 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Feb 2019 14:27:06 -0500

By regulation, NO. But, did you asked then what happened? Did they lose their luggage and thats what they had on their carry-on? Remember, theres always a why, somethings strange, unusual or ridiculous, but always a why...

Response by SGT John Creager made Feb 5 at 2019 8:35 PM

SGT John Creager — Tue, 05 Feb 2019 20:35:03 -0500

If the are out of the military yes.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2019 9:01 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 Feb 2019 09:01:28 -0500

Short answer no, not ever, never, no. PT clothes is for PT. Unless your at the dafac or going straight home.

Reserves can only wear pt gear at pt that’s it or go straight home. They cannot where at breakfast unless they are drilling on a post and use the defac

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2019 11:12 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Feb 2019 11:12:39 -0500

UPDATE: In The EUCOM AOR a SM (ALL SERVICE) can not wear a uniform while flying commercially. Or off post for that matter so if they are wearing the uniform anywhere with out written orders they are wrong..if you need the reg I can provide it...just don't have it here atm

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2019 8:58 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Feb 2019 08:58:29 -0500

Were the 2 guys active duty? Did you ask to see their CAC? Did you ask why they were in PTs?
I live in the Hampton Roads area of VA, a heavy military community.
I constantly see uniformed service members in local grocery stores, and there isn't anything wrong with that. However, I have corrected a few of those service members in the store to fix themselves. One was a Petty Officer in the Navy, I introduced myself with a CAC showing rank and I told him discreetly to remove his cover... embarrassed, he thanked me...
That is a more recent incident, my Wife hates it when I look for an issue (that's the sergeant in me), but I tell her, it's the right thing to do. Integrity is what you do when others aren't looking - tell your soldiers to always do the right thing.

Response by Rinz Augustine made Feb 24 at 2019 3:18 PM

Rinz Augustine — Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:18:24 -0500

That's how they dress you when you fail basic training and they are sending you home.They always use airlines and they do that because they have taken back your uniforms and boots and then leaving you with PT wear because you can't go home naked LOL

Response by MSgt John Brazzle made Feb 26 at 2019 12:48 PM

MSgt John Brazzle — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 12:48:08 -0500

Retired Air Force Veteran. What is a PT uniform. Never had one. 1965 thru 1990. Did I miss something? I'll have to ask my boys they're active Army 20 years CWO3 and 10 year E7. They might know. Go Air Force. HAVE A GOOD DAY.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2019 9:54 AM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:54:45 -0400

Did you see them on a plane or just in the airport? There could always be reasonable explanations for either. It’s possible they were overnight at the USO for an extended layover. Maybe luggage was lost, ripped seat of formals, spilled coffee on formals, etc. Could be a dozen reasons why that was the best option. Always best to avoid assuming the worst right off the bat.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2019 12:18 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:18:04 -0400

Being the peanut gallery, I would have to say no - can't/shouldn't. There is a rule and a reg that governs that. I get being proud of your branch of the service, that part is good but aren't most of us still under FPCON Bravo? In my very humbled opinion, not that it's counting for much, doing that may as well be a bull's eye and make you a target? I know there is a reg that says don't do that. There really is no need to go against that reg and get all jacked up over something silly like that. We're always being told that this is not a best practice. No need to mess this one up for no really good reason at all because the following headaches that you will have later won't be worth it. Sometimes some people don't always think about these types of things like they should and could use a reminder.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2019 4:59 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Mar 2019 16:59:45 -0400

To be quite fair, AR670-1 only applies to soldiers. After you get out, you can wear your PTs anywhere you like. Maybe those 2 you saw where already done and on there way somewhere.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Mar 15 at 2019 10:55 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Fri, 15 Mar 2019 22:55:31 -0400

Much better to dress as a civilian then give yourself away in the event you are confronted by some lowlife and find yourself in a dilemma, I never encountered anything like that in my time in the military, but now days you just never know, but if your required to wear dress greens, or any other military uniform in our military branch then follow command orders

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2019 9:51 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 09:51:18 -0400

CPT Douglas hit it in point. Tbe regulation is clear. Howe6if they wore the top with civilian Jean's, it would have been ok. The Army sees that as advertising.
But full on IPFU, nah bruh.

Response by SGT Greg Cooper made Mar 17 at 2019 10:57 PM

SGT Greg Cooper — Sun, 17 Mar 2019 22:57:09 -0400

My DD 214 says I can. When I was in, it was a No Go. Not everyone that wears Pat's is still in.

Response by SGT Nick Voelker made Mar 18 at 2019 2:16 PM

SGT Nick Voelker — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:16:57 -0400

I don't know about personal travel, and doubt that's what those soldiers were doing. But, otherwise it can happen, and be legit. I had orders to travel in PTs on several occasions while I was assigned to the WTU. Maybe you saw a couple of broken troops that were headed somewhere.

Response by SGT Jonathan Maynard made Mar 21 at 2019 2:44 PM

SGT Jonathan Maynard — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 14:44:44 -0400

You can find the old gray Army pt tshirt on the racks at just about any Goodwill store. If they would just go back to the old ugly banana suits, no one would want to wear them outside of LA Rams fans.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2019 10:07 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 22:07:53 -0400

Seems inappropriate.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Mar 25 at 2019 4:25 PM

1SG Brian Adams — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:25:01 -0400

Sure

Response by SGT Paul Casteel made Mar 27 at 2019 9:00 PM

SGT Paul Casteel — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 21:00:08 -0400

They were probably cadets going home from college. I've seen that a couple of times.

Response by CSM Julio Morales made Apr 29 at 2019 11:00 AM

CSM Julio Morales — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:00:36 -0400

That's the kind of Soldiers we are recruiting in today's Army. Sir Lack of leadership

Response by SSG Hubert Stapler made May 1 at 2019 6:01 PM

SSG Hubert Stapler — Wed, 01 May 2019 18:01:46 -0400

Response by SGM William Gabbard made May 2 at 2019 11:42 PM

SGM William Gabbard — Thu, 02 May 2019 23:42:41 -0400

Nope.

Response by SGT Shane Serna made May 4 at 2019 5:23 PM

SGT Shane Serna — Sat, 04 May 2019 17:23:04 -0400

I see civilians and family members wear them every once in awhile. Heck I’m retired I might just go on post/base and buy some just to see someone cry about it.

Response by SGT Kevin Taber made May 5 at 2019 7:31 PM

SGT Kevin Taber — Sun, 05 May 2019 19:31:15 -0400

Jeez I remember when you could only wear class A's when traveling. And your shit had better have been straight

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made May 5 at 2019 8:30 PM

CW4 Craig Urban — Sun, 05 May 2019 20:30:51 -0400

I would not

Response by SGT Stephen Jaffe made May 6 at 2019 9:49 AM

SGT Stephen Jaffe — Mon, 06 May 2019 09:49:10 -0400

I was in the US Army back in the sixties. Our pt uniform was the basic fatigues (bdus). Combat boots too. The army wanted their troops to be 'in shape' in a combat situation. When traveling off base, the uniform was either Class A (dress greens) or Class B (khakis). I realize times have changed, but there was a certain pride in being a member of the military. This was even in the sixties with all of the turmoil. Should always look squared away.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made May 8 at 2019 1:11 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Wed, 08 May 2019 13:11:01 -0400

I have the following to ask:

Were they actually traveling? Or were they picking someone one up?

Were they actually ON active duty?

These are question that have to be answered BEFORE one can conclude they are violating the rules.

Response by SGM Mendel Ofman made May 10 at 2019 4:14 PM

SGM Mendel Ofman — Fri, 10 May 2019 16:14:52 -0400

This is a free country dude. You can wear anything you want if it’s not offensive to the public. And if the air terminal has no dress code, why should anyone care. AR 670-1 is for wear of the uniform. Nothing to do with PT wear.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2019 12:53 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 May 2019 00:53:22 -0400

Plot Twist: They were both Civilians with no Military affiliation.

Response by SPC(P) Warren Soriano made May 24 at 2019 3:47 PM

SPC(P) Warren Soriano — Fri, 24 May 2019 15:47:52 -0400

When I first read this, I had to LOL. I know the PT uniform has changed considerably since I was in, but I immediately thought of the ever so stylish banana colored sweat pants that came up mid-calves, sweat jacket, and reversible black and yellow T shirt. I thought, "Why the H*** would anyone do that??" IMHO, they were lower enlisted trying to get over. No obvious identifiable name or rank. Comfortable traveling clothes. Were they wearing reflective belts, too? Definitely CP should have a talk w/ them. Do they still have CPs at airports?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2019 6:15 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 06:15:39 -0400

Generally I would say no. However, there may be an exception. Are they picking up a SM who is just arriving from a flight and they conducted PT prior to leaving? Was the time frame close to PT hours? Could they have a legitimate reason due to timing to be in PT's? I would see it hard pressed but if the Commander allows it then they are not out of regards, if it's before the duty day.

Response by PO1 Milton Minier made Jun 14 at 2019 7:05 PM

PO1 Milton Minier — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 19:05:52 -0400

What about the retired military. Is it a no-no to wear PT gear?

Response by SPC Matthew Hoffmann made Jun 19 at 2019 2:17 AM

SPC Matthew Hoffmann — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 02:17:14 -0400

Speaking for a security standpoint, why even travel in uniform. As a contractor, even when traveling domestically, I try to keep as low of a profile as possible.
As far as it goes authorization wise, no, absolutely not.

Response by SSgt Chris Francis made Jun 21 at 2019 2:22 AM

SSgt Chris Francis — Fri, 21 Jun 2019 02:22:45 -0400

Nasty!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2019 10:30 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Jun 2019 22:30:26 -0400

Please tell me this is a joke. Out of all the things to wear they chose that. Were the making a fashion statement? They violated OPSEC, AR 670-1, and pretty sure Art 92 which encompasses a slew of charges. Just when you thought you've heard it all. Smh

Response by MAJ T Ferris made Jun 23 at 2019 10:53 PM

MAJ T Ferris — Sun, 23 Jun 2019 22:53:29 -0400

No. Definitely not! It’s bad enough so many travel in ACU’s.

Response by Maj Bill Kostrub made Jun 26 at 2019 10:29 AM

Maj Bill Kostrub — Wed, 26 Jun 2019 10:29:38 -0400

I’m not sure what difference it makes at this point. I see army personnel all the time wearing, I guess they call them BDUs, wherever they damn well please. I’m not sure what the genesis of this policy was, but it is completely inappropriate.

Response by SPC Paul Davis made Jun 26 at 2019 9:51 PM

SPC Paul Davis — Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:51:08 -0400

First off .why would you ask a question like this? I'd hope you are aware of the ar670-1 manual? You're a leader and your troops depend on you, to have the knowledge & guidance you have been trained to do in ocs. I know I'm kinda harsh on the fact that you are a officer and I was enlisted many,many years ago . No one can know every regulation, not even the stars. But think about the situation? As an officer you are held in higher standards from basic to commanding troops .I'm sorry that I flogged you but back in the old army days lt & up where expected to know the easy stuff. Especially about the uniform.
Lead from the front! Never ask a soldier to do a task you can't or wouldn't do yourself . Your troops will respect you .
Now to the point! They are definitely wrong and they probably know that they are if they have been in service for any amount of time .
You are still my Army brother. Lol
Army strong 88-93 1/63 AR. Ft.Irwin Ca.

Response by SFC Andrew Ormiston made Jun 27 at 2019 11:10 PM

SFC Andrew Ormiston — Thu, 27 Jun 2019 23:10:09 -0400

They may not have been actually traveling. Unless you saw them boarding.

Response by SPC Raymond Hanley made Jun 28 at 2019 1:04 PM

SPC Raymond Hanley — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 13:04:26 -0400

This is like yelp for the military

Response by TSgt D Newman made Jun 29 at 2019 6:40 AM

TSgt D Newman — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 06:40:16 -0400

Guess it depends what it looks like . Back in the day hell no. You'd have a better chance of people thinking you where Inna gay pride March than the military the way they designed those things.

Response by SPC Fred DeJohn made Jun 29 at 2019 10:03 AM

SPC Fred DeJohn — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:03:52 -0400

I say show respect for your uniform and and the organization you are a part of. That shows class not a non caring attitude. But hey That is just me.

Response by SSgt Daniel Vallance made Jun 29 at 2019 4:04 PM

SSgt Daniel Vallance — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 16:04:57 -0400

These are the years of the MELIMENS so any thing goes. Remember it has been a all voluntary military since 1972.

Response by SFC Joseph Tidwell made Jun 29 at 2019 6:42 PM

SFC Joseph Tidwell — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 18:42:29 -0400

Seems like someone that would do that has an extreme lack of discipline and the image they portray of the branch they serve. "Back in the day" we had to wear our class A uniform when travelling from or to assignments.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2019 12:16 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 12:16:23 -0400

As a reservist local to the area I can say for certain some commanders have ordered soldiers to go to and from AT in the PT Uniform, I’m not saying it’s right, I’m saying it happened.

Response by SrA Brett Stratton made Jul 14 at 2019 4:38 PM

SrA Brett Stratton — Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:38:31 -0400

Active Duty is a hard no, but I can't say the same for those retired/discharged. Personally, I think that's in bad form either way since it implies you are active duty and sends a bad message to those who either don't know the rules or think you can make an exception.

Response by Maj Neal Jackman made Jul 22 at 2019 12:19 PM

Maj Neal Jackman — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:19:32 -0400

In my opinion, whether or not it is allowed is not the question. The question is "is it appropriate to wear the PT uniform when you fly commercially?". And we can substitute numerous occasions into the question. What is the image we are trying to put forward to the public? I was on a plane once where there were various service members, Army, Navy, Marine. It was an overnight flight and no one was feeling particularly "well turned out" when we got in. As I watched each service man walk off the plane, only one did this. A young Marine Lance Corporal got to the first row of seats, stepped into the space, set down his carryon bag, squared away his uniform, gig line, tie, everything, picked up his bag and stepped of the plane. I was so very proud of him. I caught up to him and complimented him on the image he presented to those we serve. Regulations may allow, Commander's may authorize, but what is it we present to the public.

Response by SPC Norman Graves made Jul 28 at 2019 8:34 AM

SPC Norman Graves — Sun, 28 Jul 2019 08:34:56 -0400

id have asked first if they were in the military. lots of civilians seem to think military gear is sheaq

Response by LTC Ed Hammond made Jul 28 at 2019 3:12 PM

LTC Ed Hammond — Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:12:28 -0400

Maybe they weren’t in the Army?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2019 11:21 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:21:12 -0400

tacky

Response by CWO4 Steven Butland made Jul 29 at 2019 12:59 PM

CWO4 Steven Butland — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:59:16 -0400

Certainly shows a lack of self-esteem or any other regard for yourself personally, to wear such attire while traveling, especially on an airline, but without knowing for sure, if the two offenders were even active duty or reservist, we could be jumping to a wrong conclusion by assuming the perps were even such. There is no shortage of "wanna-be's" out there looking for military perks. Was any attempt made to verify their status and provided corrective instruction if they were actually in the Army? If not, you failed in your duty as an officer. I recall what appeared to be a new Marine at a rest area on Interstate 95 in South Carolina in organizational PT gear, traveling with family. It was a Friday afternoon, so he clearly could have been a newly graduated recruit out of Parris Island. I was in civilian attire, but approached the young man, congratulated him, and asked if he had just graduated PI and he confirmed he did that morning. I then quietly (so's not to embarrass him in front of his family) showed him my ID and advised him that his attire was not authorized for liberty and that needed to get into a proper liberty uniform immediately. He did just that! Advising him that he was always on display, on and off base, and needed to ensure he was always squared away in an appropriate attire at all time, is a lesson I don't think he will ever forget.

Response by CW3 Walter Goerner made Aug 23 at 2019 9:37 AM

CW3 Walter Goerner — Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:37:07 -0400

Well LT, did you ask them? Unfortunately, for any military member doing that it's a break down of training and discipline. It's NOT that they didn't know, if they were military members, that it was inappropriate. Also, unfortunately, the Army PT uniform, can be obtained used or online for purchase and worn by anyone non-military and we've all seen some clothing worn in public that really pisses us....and me....off.

Response by LTC James Townsend made Aug 24 at 2019 8:02 PM

LTC James Townsend — Sat, 24 Aug 2019 20:02:49 -0400

As a LTC when I left the military, as a 100% permanently disabled veteran due to injuries while deployed but even with 13 yrs. of service & I can't site any regulation that disallows this manor of dress while traveling but command has the prerogative to enhance the standard regulations. Even if their individual command didn't disallow this I can't image any service member, of any branch, not having enough pride in their uniform & what it stands for, to disrespect themselves & all other service members, traveling in such an inappropriate manor.

Response by MSgt Andrea Gutierrez made Aug 25 at 2019 2:24 AM

MSgt Andrea Gutierrez — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 02:24:35 -0400

The answer is no, unless you are no longer in the (Army) military!

Response by Col Fred Mooney made Aug 25 at 2019 7:56 AM

Col Fred Mooney — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 07:56:02 -0400

They may have just changed temporarily to use the gym and shower in the USO there.

Response by 1SG Cj Grisham made Aug 25 at 2019 11:38 PM

1SG Cj Grisham — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 23:38:17 -0400

The answer is no, unless they were civilians.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Aug 25 at 2019 11:43 PM

CW4 Craig Urban — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 23:43:16 -0400

Response by CPT Eric Matheu made Aug 26 at 2019 11:29 AM

CPT Eric Matheu — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 11:29:58 -0400

As long as they were wearing their reflective belts...

Response by CPT Eric Matheu made Aug 26 at 2019 11:30 AM

CPT Eric Matheu — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 11:30:38 -0400

As long as they were wearing their reflective belts...

Response by CPL Matthew Stroup made Aug 29 at 2019 6:37 AM

CPL Matthew Stroup — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 06:37:52 -0400

Really??

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2019 10:23 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:23:58 -0400

If you are unable to quote AR670-1 verbatim, you don’t need to be on RallyPoint. Download the publication onto your phone for study and reference. Ensure to update.

Response by SP5 Joyce Eikenberry made Aug 30 at 2019 12:03 PM

SP5 Joyce Eikenberry — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:03:36 -0400

Evidently, yes you can. Didn't used to be that way: if you flew, you had to do so in Class A or civvies.

Response by SGT Timothy Summers made Oct 1 at 2019 12:20 AM

SGT Timothy Summers — Tue, 01 Oct 2019 00:20:26 -0400

Hell no

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2019 3:37 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Oct 2019 03:37:27 -0400

As far as I know the answer is no , But check you Army regulations in regards to uniforms Each branch has uniform regulations

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2019 8:00 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:00:54 -0400

Why would someone want to do that anyway? Soldiers cease to amaze me and sad to say this doesnt surprise me one bit!

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2019 5:58 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:58:38 -0400

Hell No, you should call them on it. They should know this and their 1st line Leader should ensure they don't pull this kind of shit!

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Nov 2 at 2019 8:24 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Sat, 02 Nov 2019 08:24:18 -0400

Okay I am going to take the heat on this one and really don't care it needs to be said. 1LT. Zachary Allred. In no way is this intended to disrespect your service or rank. How ever after checking your profile with just your time in service alone you should know the answer to this and take appropriate action. As a PLT LDR You should know the answer and how to handle it.
In my time in the Military we had a phrase don't shoot yourself in your own foot. If you are not aware of a regulation by now then you should get that way. Posting a question like this on multi-media speaks volumes why two people were in the airport in APFT uniforms. JMTC Thank you for your service.

Response by Sgt Bob Buster Adcock made Nov 3 at 2019 11:40 AM

Sgt Bob Buster Adcock — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 11:40:36 -0500

I like to see servicemen in Class A uniforms when off base. In the sixties that was required.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2019 11:54 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 11:54:09 -0500

I posted this 2-3 years ago when I was still a cadet. I’m surprised it’s still getting this much attention. Thank you for all your responses.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Nov 3 at 2019 11:54 AM

1SG Brian Adams — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 11:54:36 -0500

No Go....never! This uni is for PT only or otherwise designated by the CoC

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Nov 9 at 2019 5:55 PM

Maj Dale Smith — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 17:55:51 -0500

Holy Crap Batman! Are you sure that these guys were GI? Not only is it inappropriate to wear this uniform outside of PT or your house, but if it were a civilian exercise suit, it would be inappropriate for an airport. If these guys were going to fly, a loss of pressurization in the plane, or a failure of the air handler system would subject the wearer to -55F temperatures no matter what time of the year. Other than command directives, common sense should prevail. Any component DoD servicemember should have taken these two asside and "informed" them of their duties, both on and off base. NCOs and Officers both should have said something and a junior enlisted person should have asked the question of the two inapproprately dressed. Something along the lines of: "Are you two actually in the Army?" with a follow up of "If you have any other clothing to wear on the plane, I would suggest that you change".

Response by LCpl Stephen Arnold made Nov 15 at 2019 1:50 PM

LCpl Stephen Arnold — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:50:08 -0500

Only if they double up on the PT belt!

Response by SSG Lynn Skocdopole made Nov 15 at 2019 4:23 PM

SSG Lynn Skocdopole — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:23:49 -0500

i'll keep all this in mind when I get to your R&R center not to run around in my PT uniform so my seniors don't get heartburn!

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Dec 29 at 2019 8:08 AM

SPC Donn Sinclair — Sun, 29 Dec 2019 08:08:59 -0500

Hate to sound like an old fart, (I am, so I'm allowed). When I was in, a soldier going off post wore either Class A/B uniform or civvies, regardless where you were going. Evidently, after reading other posts, things have changed since then.

Response by 1SG Donald Elmore made Dec 31 at 2019 9:41 AM

1SG Donald Elmore — Tue, 31 Dec 2019 09:41:55 -0500

In my opinion when flying a soldier should always be in Class A uniform.

Response by SSG Branyn Burkhart made Jan 16 at 2020 9:48 AM

SSG Branyn Burkhart — Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:48:35 -0500

Was it two guys, or two Soldiers? Because two guys can wear whatever they want, but if it was two Soldiers, then that’s a no go

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2020 4:18 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:18:58 -0500

Maybe something medical going on there

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2020 10:26 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 22:26:28 -0500

While I was in, the PT uniform was just that, for PT training only. You could not go into the mess hall after workout. Now, they did allow going to sick call in PT's, but that was first thing in the morning.

Response by CPT William Hoh made Jan 20 at 2020 5:22 AM

CPT William Hoh — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 05:22:50 -0500

You're assuming that the two people at the Dallas airport were in the military. I've seen civilians wearing those uniforms. Used to be you could buy them at uscav.com. they changed your name but I'm sure they're commercially available on the Internet.

From the break that was posted, it's clear they could not wear them if the military was paying for their travel. And since airplanes serve alcohol, they could not wear them on a plane.

It's possible they were working out and running late for the plane too. I wouldn't dress them down without at least asking a couple questions. Most people in the military are good folks who try to follow the regs.

Response by CW3 Walter Goerner made Jan 20 at 2020 8:38 PM

CW3 Walter Goerner — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 20:38:24 -0500

Did they get on an airplane to fly or did you just see them at the airport? Wearing them to fly somewhere definitely no. However, I've seen occasions of personnel in PT gear, and have actually questioned them, that were called out to quickly go and meet someone at the airport to bring them to the post. That's exactly the case of the two incidents that I saw and both incidents the soldiers were called out from PT formation to go to the airport quickly to meet an incoming flight that there was a transportation problem at the last minute. Rare that this would happen, but due to those circumstances and time constraints, it could and did happen. But for personal travel? Definitely not.

Response by SFC James Egan made Feb 10 at 2020 12:21 PM

SFC James Egan — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:21:50 -0500

I guess I am still the "old school". Civilian personnel expect military people to be proud of their military bearing. To my way of thinking only appropriate civilian atire or Class A's should be the ONLY appropriate dress in public.

Response by SGT Jake Ellison made Feb 17 at 2020 8:28 PM

SGT Jake Ellison — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 20:28:11 -0500

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2020 9:27 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 21:27:54 -0500

The way I was always told, PTs are for PT only and training that requires that as a uniform. Other than that I’d never wear it outside of going to the dfac after pt like any other soldier would do.

Response by SFC(P) Richard Warren made Feb 18 at 2020 5:42 PM

SFC(P) Richard Warren — Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:42:46 -0500

I breath this as "Why in the wide wide world of Slap Pull Observe Release Tap Squeeze would you do that."

Fundamentals, FTW! LOL

Response by SFC(P) Richard Warren made Feb 18 at 2020 5:43 PM

SFC(P) Richard Warren — Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:43:20 -0500

Uhh... I meant "read".

Infantry typing FTW? :/

Response by SFC David Pope, MBA made Feb 21 at 2020 1:43 PM

SFC David Pope, MBA — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 13:43:08 -0500

I see veterans wear PT's all the time after they are discharged from the army. My daughter wears the PT shirt all the time. It is not mine, and she was never in the army. If they are active duty then they are not allowed to wear it for travel.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2020 3:30 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:30:21 -0500

How about look in the reg instead of posting so someone can spoon-feed you the information.. I'm sure you have a smart phone

Response by MSG Loren Tomblin made Feb 23 at 2020 10:38 AM

MSG Loren Tomblin — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 10:38:52 -0500

I have always been freaked out at JROTC Cadets not wearing their uniforms in a military manner. I blame the instructors for not teaching pride. However, they are sometimes young and dumb. I can say that I am proud of my grandson because I mentored him in his high school years as a JROTC student. He is now an Infanrty/ABN officer with my old 25th ID. As for the subject matter just blame leadership.

Response by SSG Robert Quayle III made Feb 23 at 2020 3:23 PM

SSG Robert Quayle III — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:23:43 -0500

If they’re civilians, there isn’t much to be said or done about it. I understand that the current uniform isn’t supposed to be sold but they’re easily found online.

Response by MSgt Joseph Holness made Feb 23 at 2020 11:45 PM

MSgt Joseph Holness — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 23:45:12 -0500

PTs on a plane? These days, people (way too many 30s t0 50s somethings) seem to think that wearing goofy pajamas out in public while doing their daily functions and routines is just "A-O-K". Guess I grew-up in a time where when you travelled on civilian airliners, you tried to look decent and presentable.

Response by PO1 Michael Bruner made Feb 24 at 2020 1:41 PM

PO1 Michael Bruner — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:41:24 -0500

I used to see that all the time when I was living in Hawaii & El Paso.

Response by Matthew Torrelli made Feb 26 at 2020 11:13 AM

Matthew Torrelli — Wed, 26 Feb 2020 11:13:45 -0500

the uniform rule of thumb is just like it is for base and that is you should not be seen in physical training uniform outside of sickcall or Pt hours. when i was stationed at Ft. hood with the 1st Cavalry division we always got told to travel in civilian clothes and carry the uniforms but we were not authorized to wear the Physical Fitness training uniform anywhere other than base and or at a Company or Battalion gathering

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2020 1:24 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Feb 2020 13:24:36 -0500

Total training problem, from Basic Training to the Soldiers command not putting out the information. Let's remember that no one should assume anything, put out clearcut guidelines and hold them accountable. Leadership assumes that this will not happen instead of touching upon it even if it is indeed repetitious...

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2020 10:51 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Feb 2020 22:51:33 -0500

Who cares. The average civilian in the airport has no idea who or what they are. They may not even be active military. Unless they are trying to defraud someone out of money (i.e. stolen valor) I could give a rats ass what anyone else wears

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Mar 18 at 2020 9:46 AM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 09:46:19 -0400

HELL NO!!!That is against AR-670-1!PERIOD!!

Response by CPT Derek Wren made Mar 18 at 2020 5:52 PM

CPT Derek Wren — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:52:06 -0400

They can, however they must have their headphones hanging around their neck along with incredibly bright neon shoes and or socks on, preferably both at the same time. And I hope you didn’t say anything because there’s a good chance you may have hurt their feelings.
These are the soldiers you want to murder in public. That being said, as a CPT (ret), I will now move to the side and the NCO’s do their thing.

Response by SSG Timothy Lee made Mar 19 at 2020 6:47 AM

SSG Timothy Lee — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 06:47:57 -0400

Although most of you are correct about AR 670-1, some of you forgot the exception. Post Policy/CG policy letters as directed by the Post Commander. In which, I have been stationed at installations where the CG’s policy allowed the wear of the APT uniform jackets mixed with civilian attire in order to promote the U.S. Army.

Response by SSG James Wilcox made Mar 19 at 2020 3:04 PM

SSG James Wilcox — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 15:04:01 -0400

Because their DD214 approved it?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2020 1:21 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 01:21:29 -0400

Why the crap would you want to do this?

I would've asked, out of sheer morbid curiosity!

Response by SSG Alfred Woods made Mar 22 at 2020 9:08 AM

SSG Alfred Woods — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 09:08:24 -0400

Well, if you are an active duty service member, you may choose to speak with the individuals and see if they are actually active service members. If they are not, it would be safe to assume, they may have purchased the uniforms from a surplus store. If they are active military personnel, then it would be more appropriate for the most ranking individual on site (Lt.), to address the issue and explain the purpose of the PT uniform and it's wear. Keep in mind, a commander may not allow soldiers to wear the uniform as a all-time use or wear, when in the performance of official military duties (PCS or TDY). Behavior\Mannerisms reflects good or bad on the entire military and knowing what each commander would allow is something like a dog chasing its tail, to find out if these soldiers are right or even if they are military personnel.

Response by LtCol James McKinley made Mar 22 at 2020 2:00 PM

LtCol James McKinley — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 14:00:49 -0400

If you're active duty you would know, and quietly admonish them. Otherwise, leave it alone. If this is the most pressing thing you have to worry about .....

Response by SSgt Mike Finch made Mar 23 at 2020 5:50 PM

SSgt Mike Finch — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 17:50:16 -0400

Why would you want to? Are you going for a run between terminals? Comfort? Why not just wear PJs or your yoga pants.
Call me a "boomer", Old School, or whatever - it spells Delta Bravo to me.

Response by MAJ Rj M made Mar 24 at 2020 11:43 AM

MAJ Rj M — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:43:47 -0400

From my perspective, when I traveled on active duty, it was always A's or B's. If I wasn't in uniform, I always got dressed up. Having gone to a catholic boys school and wearing a suitcoat and tie each day, I got sick of dressing up, but l learned from my parents who said it would help you and though I rarely travel ( I HATE TO) when I do travel, I am ALWAYS dressed up. You get treated with alot more respect and have been given upgrades on overbooked flights just because I looked nice...

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Mar 30 at 2020 1:19 PM

CPL Steve Freeman — Mon, 30 Mar 2020 13:19:11 -0400

Idk if it's against any regulations but Im pretty sure it violates man code. And looks tacky for travel.

Response by SGT George Reimuth made Apr 17 at 2020 8:12 PM

SGT George Reimuth — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:12:44 -0400

it all depends on if you are on leave stats yes but if you have company orders no , those two guys could have been awol as well

Response by SPC Mark Stevens made Apr 20 at 2020 7:39 AM

SPC Mark Stevens — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 07:39:49 -0400

We couldn't do it in my day, either. Anyone who did was usually approached quietly by a senior non-com (odds are there is one either active or retired cruising through the airport for travel) and corrected.

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made May 7 at 2020 2:32 AM

SPC Greg Campbell — Thu, 07 May 2020 02:32:30 -0400

our PT uniforms consisted of whatever you had on stumbling down the street as long as you got to formation before Top came out

Response by SPC Tony Pacheco made May 11 at 2020 12:31 PM

SPC Tony Pacheco — Mon, 11 May 2020 12:31:44 -0400

I’m going to go out on a limb here.........
Maybe, just maybe, they got their walking papers and just said F- it.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2020 1:43 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 May 2020 13:43:04 -0400

Why would any of you care?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2020 8:14 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 May 2020 20:14:04 -0400

UNIT could be on the airport. My brothers unit is is on a airport in Austin and they always go and eat inside there after PT

Response by SSG Jack Briggs made May 18 at 2020 11:46 AM

SSG Jack Briggs — Mon, 18 May 2020 11:46:52 -0400

The post did not say they were traveling. Said he saw them at the airport. Maybe they were there picking up or dropping off a passenger. Too much judgement here without knowing facts.

Response by SFC Dave Nutter made Jul 9 at 2020 10:33 AM

SFC Dave Nutter — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 10:33:20 -0400

but those could be wanna be's roaming the airport stealing a little valor

Response by 1SG Victor Sotil made Jul 9 at 2020 11:36 AM

1SG Victor Sotil — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 11:36:33 -0400

Absolutely NO, however, think that could be stolen valor. All Soldiers knows very well that you can't even wear the APFU at the PX or commissary, so what in the world would anyone wear it at the Airport and top at the airport that has high visibility like DFW. STOLEN VALOR it's my opinion.

Response by SFC Joe Ortega made Jul 9 at 2020 9:05 PM

SFC Joe Ortega — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 21:05:32 -0400

I might be one of those "stolen valor". as far as I know the Physical Fitness uniform is not authorized for travel!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2020 1:05 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:05:13 -0400

APFU are atrociously loud in every way possible. So glad I don’t wear those things anymore. I don’t know why anyone would wear them when not forced to. Sir, good choice on just leaving it alone. Had you approached them I’m sure you would’ve been cool about it. I’m willing to bet they were instructed to, given bad “intel” on the regs or just being shitbags.

Response by PO2 Louis Fattrusso made Jul 15 at 2020 5:39 PM

PO2 Louis Fattrusso — Wed, 15 Jul 2020 17:39:29 -0400

This shows no respect for the military or the uniform.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2020 4:31 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:31:07 -0400

Once upon a time (Yes, I am an old Fart) you could not even wear the fatigue uniform to stop and get a loaf of bread off base on your way home. Now days, I see Generals wearing the BDU at gatherings of pretty high ranking civilians. The PT Uniform in an airport doesn't seem right to me but what do I know.

Response by SFC Michael Palmer made Jul 18 at 2020 1:28 PM

SFC Michael Palmer — Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:28:31 -0400

A little side story here on unauthorized wear of the PT uniform: my favorite sign when leaving a Forward Operating Base in Iraq (it was the north gate at Balad Air Base/LSA Anaconda north of Baghdad) was "NO APFU BEYOND THIS POINT". It was right next to the signs that said "IS YOUR CREW (IED jamming system) SYSTEM ON?" and "RED CON ONE BEYOND THIS POINT" (meaning locked and loaded)!
Let me see, some idiot thought "I'm required to wear body armor, helmet, gloves, eyepro, and have my weapon, but it doesn't say I have to be in ACUs!"
It's always some idiot who causes signs to be posted...

Response by PFC Joshua Hagen made Jul 28 at 2020 9:55 AM

PFC Joshua Hagen — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:55:44 -0400

How do you know they're Soldiers? I work armed security at a pot shop and see guys come in with dirty old PT shirts/shorts all the time. You can find PT uniforms at Goodwill and surplus stores, so I don't put it past some rando civilian thinking "oh these are comfy" deciding to wear it to the airport. Have you been to a Walmart...like ever?

Response by CPT Bob De Groff made Jul 30 at 2020 11:24 AM

CPT Bob De Groff — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:24:12 -0400

Oh hell no. I wish the Army would go back to requiring Class A uniform off post. The Marines do. Good for them.

Response by SPC Anitra Bailey-Bearfield made Jul 31 at 2020 2:00 PM

SPC Anitra Bailey-Bearfield — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 14:00:00 -0400

No you can't, you are not suppose to even be in uniform off post unless you are getting off duty and head home, being that you live off post. There was a time when you could wear your uniform like that but that change when I was in and that was around 1997 or 1998.

Response by PFC James Edward VERNON jr made Aug 9 at 2020 1:38 PM

PFC James Edward VERNON jr — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 13:38:50 -0400

BACK IN THE DAY (LATE 60s-EARLY 70s), NO PROBLEM. BUT THIS "MODERN" MILITARY , I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE.(NOT BEING A REGULATIONS "NERD")

Response by SPC Chris Carter made Aug 9 at 2020 8:58 PM

SPC Chris Carter — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 20:58:35 -0400

I dont know but I have to say when I was in it was a no go for wearing it for other then PT but it seems like the new military is soft from the soldiers that i have talked to comparied to when i was in...

Response by Maj Gary Gault made Aug 10 at 2020 12:50 AM

Maj Gary Gault — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 00:50:57 -0400

In the US Army I learned that there are different uniforms for various professional purposes. The PT uniform is meant for that only in or near the installation one is serving at, but not for general purpose civilian attire. When flying commercially or in civilian environs appropriate attire is expected, ie Class A dress uniform or casual civilian dress. Casual dress should mean suitable clothing for public areas, e.g. sport coat and tie or just slacks, shirt with collar or combination that looks good and suitable for mixed company. Sweats or PT cloths should never be worn in public as casual attire. Anyhow that was my training which I adhere to even today in retirement. God Bless America, the US Army and US Air Force and All of Our Troops serving around the world.

Response by SPC W. Neil Cantor made Aug 10 at 2020 8:33 AM

SPC W. Neil Cantor — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:33:53 -0400

Never had a PT uniform! Just OD fatigues and boots!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2020 8:35 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:35:14 -0400

You sure they were even active? Could just be civilians. Its not illegal to wear that stuff

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2020 11:21 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:21:31 -0400

That is a hard No!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2020 11:23 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:23:33 -0400

This thing is taking off again even though I posted it 4 years ago. Thank you for all of your responses.

Response by SFC Stephen Foster made Aug 10 at 2020 6:27 PM

SFC Stephen Foster — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:27:48 -0400

I’m gonna go wear it.

Response by Dawn Callahan made Aug 11 at 2020 12:05 PM

Dawn Callahan — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 12:05:10 -0400

They wanted to preboard

Response by SFC Steve Dugan made Aug 12 at 2020 8:34 AM

SFC Steve Dugan — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 08:34:31 -0400

there are times that I miss the days of old, pt's were for pt, duty uniform was for duty only, class b's for staff duty, class a/b for official travel--no eating in duty uniform in fast food restaurants, no going to stores and such in any type duty uniform. people complain about the rules now but have no idea how it was in the mid 80's and before--just started to change bit by bit in the late 80's early 90's

Response by SGM Markus Bertel made Aug 13 at 2020 7:33 AM

SGM Markus Bertel — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:33:36 -0400

Per ar670-1 the Army physical fitness uniform is not authorized to be worn for commercial travel.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2020 10:44 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:44:35 -0400

My National Guard unit traveled from Georgia to Iowa on a chartered bus, for training. PT Uniform for travel.

Response by SFC Paul Whitfield made Aug 14 at 2020 8:53 PM

SFC Paul Whitfield — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:53:37 -0400

This question has been answered very clearly at this point, but I have one of my own:
How is it that a 1LT didn't know 670-1, or how to look in it?

Response by LTC Andrew Addison made Aug 15 at 2020 1:30 PM

LTC Andrew Addison — Sat, 15 Aug 2020 13:30:50 -0400

Cannot enforce "Army" Regs on civilians for wearing the "PT" uniform when they may have purchased them. If we are enforcing "regs" for uniform wear how will this be enforced on civilians for wearing military boots, camo pants, berets and so on...

Response by SPC Randy Torgerson made Aug 16 at 2020 12:46 AM

SPC Randy Torgerson — Sun, 16 Aug 2020 00:46:50 -0400

Do you know for sure it was personal travel? How do you know they were not traveling on orders?

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Sep 13 at 2020 9:09 AM

SPC Donn Sinclair — Sun, 13 Sep 2020 09:09:23 -0400

I've been out a long time. For example, our PT uniform was t-shirt, fatigue pants, and boots. Airports were patrolled by the Armed Forces Police. While their main function was looking out for AWOL's, they would also enforce uniform violations. Army personnel were required to travel in dress greens. During summer months, they'd let you slide wearing khakis. If you were in civvies, you'd better have orders. Anything else, you were taken in hand and your CO was called. I know things are different these days, but travelling in PT uniform? Beetle Bailey would know better.

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Sep 14 at 2020 11:53 AM

1SG Michael Blount — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:53:31 -0400

Bottom line is - no. I don't know where they got that idea, but they really need to brown bag it.

Response by SPC Joshua Dawson made Sep 19 at 2020 12:14 PM

SPC Joshua Dawson — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:14:32 -0400

Well it's been twelve years since I was in and I know every branch has gotten even more relaxed since then but as far as I'm still aware the PT uniform is still not authorized for traveling.

Response by MSgt Bruce Hutchinson made Sep 19 at 2020 5:24 PM

MSgt Bruce Hutchinson — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:24:07 -0400

Thanks CPT Bryant. When lever in doubt, go to the regs.

Response by CPL Patrick Holbrook made Sep 21 at 2020 4:44 AM

CPL Patrick Holbrook — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 04:44:38 -0400

When in doubt Find an NCO to yell at them Sir.

Response by SGT Frank Hewes made Sep 22 at 2020 2:05 AM

SGT Frank Hewes — Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:05:04 -0400

I think you can do that as a civilian with no class, and no respect for service members.

Response by SP5 Richard Welch made Sep 22 at 2020 2:41 PM

SP5 Richard Welch — Tue, 22 Sep 2020 14:41:00 -0400

Why would anyone travel in PT uniform? This is not proper and never has been.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Sep 23 at 2020 5:01 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:01:40 -0400

You know it is possible they were waiting for someone.

Response by SFC Clifford Brewer made Sep 26 at 2020 7:20 AM

SFC Clifford Brewer — Sat, 26 Sep 2020 07:20:32 -0400

I remember back in the day we were not allowed to wear pt uniform off post..in this Army time the reg. Is different.. it seen Soldiers do as they want wear what do want, I see some Soldiers out of uniform I wonder if they have leaders or orders to follow. I think the Army Soldiers is a little lack on Task and Purpose. One other issue is the new Army uniform..someone can not get the color pattern right.lol

Response by LT Scott Duncan made Sep 27 at 2020 2:26 PM

LT Scott Duncan — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 14:26:08 -0400

Thanks for the proper response about wearing PT gear in public. Retired LT

Response by SGT Lee Drake made Sep 27 at 2020 5:45 PM

SGT Lee Drake — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 17:45:59 -0400

I was always told no for a couple reasons. First, if you start acting like a jackass, it would reflect poorly on the Army. Also, for safety and OpSec reasons, you're supposed to be in civilian wear unless on official business. You never know who's watching and what they could do.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Sep 27 at 2020 6:33 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:33:47 -0400

So it occurs to me that you are an actual commissioned officer.
Did it occur to you to introduce yourself and try and find out what they were doing?

Or did it seem better to you to not use any moral courage, and then come to this forum, to ask a stupid question that you could have looked up in the 670-1?

I give a lot of shit on this forum. But i really worry about the commissioned officer corps in the modern Army. Officers are supposed to be independent, self starters, who need little to know supervision.

This is not the first time I have seen an officer ask a question that, with a little initiative, they could have answered on their own.

The Army publishes every regulation, you might want to familiarize yourself with them, if you are going top be leading and disciplining men under your command.

Response by SPC Carmen H Ramirez made Oct 12 at 2020 10:13 PM

SPC Carmen H Ramirez — Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:13:13 -0400

I wouldn't. I don't think so. If they have the sweatshirt and jeans I think that's fine. but the whole sweat suit is inappropriate. Maybe I'm old fashioned but that's me.

Response by SGT Charles Clemons made Oct 26 at 2020 7:40 PM

SGT Charles Clemons — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:40:20 -0400

I believe it has to be a military flight for PTs.

Response by LCpl Troy Gwyn made Oct 27 at 2020 12:33 AM

LCpl Troy Gwyn — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 00:33:21 -0400

The Marine Corps does allow that even just off base.
When I visit family in Colorado Springs, I can't help but think the Army and Chair Force are a bunch of slobs. To lazy to change clothes.

Response by SFC James High made Oct 27 at 2020 11:37 AM

SFC James High — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 11:37:57 -0400

No. Here is the reference from AR 670-1: 10–3. Occasions for wear
a. All-purpose wear. The physical fitness uniform is authorized for wear on and off duty, on and off the installation, unless restricted by the commander. Soldiers may wear all or part of the physical fitness uniform with civilian attire off the installation, unless restricted by the commander. The physical fitness uniform is not intended for wear as an all- purpose uniform when other uniforms are more appropriate.
b. Approved wear. The physical fitness uniform is prescribed for year-round wear for all Soldiers, unless otherwise directed by the commander. Soldiers may wear the physical fitness uniform off-post unless prohibited by the commander.
c. Restrictions on wear.
(1) Soldiers may not wear the physical fitness uniform for commercial travel.
(2) Personnel may not wear the physical fitness uniform in off-post establishments, unless for purchase of essential items (for example, gas).
(3) The physical fitness uniform is not considered appropriate for social or official functions off the installation, such as memorial services, funerals, weddings, inaugurals, patriotic ceremonies, and similar functions.
(4) Commanders may further restrict wear of the physical fitness uniform per paragraph 2–5c.
(5) The physical fitness uniform is not appropriate for parades, reviews, and ceremonies.

Response by SFC James High made Oct 27 at 2020 11:38 AM

SFC James High — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 11:38:36 -0400

AR 670-1 states: 10–3. Occasions for wear
a. All-purpose wear. The physical fitness uniform is authorized for wear on and off duty, on and off the installation, unless restricted by the commander. Soldiers may wear all or part of the physical fitness uniform with civilian attire off the installation, unless restricted by the commander. The physical fitness uniform is not intended for wear as an all- purpose uniform when other uniforms are more appropriate.
b. Approved wear. The physical fitness uniform is prescribed for year-round wear for all Soldiers, unless otherwise directed by the commander. Soldiers may wear the physical fitness uniform off-post unless prohibited by the commander.
c. Restrictions on wear.
(1) Soldiers may not wear the physical fitness uniform for commercial travel.
(2) Personnel may not wear the physical fitness uniform in off-post establishments, unless for purchase of essential items (for example, gas).
(3) The physical fitness uniform is not considered appropriate for social or official functions off the installation, such as memorial services, funerals, weddings, inaugurals, patriotic ceremonies, and similar functions.
(4) Commanders may further restrict wear of the physical fitness uniform per paragraph 2–5c.
(5) The physical fitness uniform is not appropriate for parades, reviews, and ceremonies.

Response by CW3 Joseph Lawrence made Oct 28 at 2020 8:20 PM

CW3 Joseph Lawrence — Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:20:02 -0400

I guess there could be an argument here between comfort and what regulations would cover this situation. I can attest to traveling in a dress uniform (Dress Greens) at the end of the flight you felt like the uniform was glued to your body. As a Vietnam Vet, there were times we weren't even permitted to travel in uniform as to not upset other travelers. Later as more and more Americans approved of their military, I was proud to wear mine, wherever and whenever the situation permitted it. But when it comes down to actual comfort on the flight, I myself would choose the PT uniform. What still gets my dander up today, is when you see some dirt bag wearing a portion of the uniform that many have died for and that in itself should be a violation of law.

Response by SFC Jeffrey McNamara made Oct 29 at 2020 1:00 AM

SFC Jeffrey McNamara — Thu, 29 Oct 2020 01:00:12 -0400

They might be veterans or retirees.

Response by 1SG Jeffrey Mullett made Oct 29 at 2020 9:54 PM

1SG Jeffrey Mullett — Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:54:45 -0400

No Sir,
According to AR 670-1 there are established times to wear the APFU, though in non-duty status you can wear the APFU Jacket or pants with other items of clothing. When traveling on duty status, you can wear the ASU (Class A or B), you shouldn't wear the ACU/OCP it has been authorized by DA for several years, but I believe they have moved away from allowing it recently. I think the SGMA will make a determination at some point. More often than not, civilian attire is authorized in order to keep from drawing attention to yourself while traveling. But, NEVER traveling in APFU as an authorized uniform in official status.