Scott Walker bashed for not having a college degree, called "Unknowledgeable".

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:02:39 -0500

There has been a few post on RP about college educations and what they can do for you in life. But do you think it is fair to say someone is unknowledgeable to be president with no college degree? Should a college degree be a requirement to become President?

Her is a little Excerpt from Howard Dean from MSNBC's Morning Joe:

DEAN: The issue here is not just an issue of dancing around the question of evolution for political reasons, the issue is how well educated is this guy? And that's a problem.

SCARBOROUGH: Are you serious?

DEAN: I am absolutely serious.

DONNY DEUTSCH: He didn't finish his senior year so he didn't get all that stuff.

SCARBOROUGH: Are you serious? You're saying he might not be qualified because he didn't finish college?

DEAN: I think there are going to be a lot of people who worry about that.

SCARBOROUGH: Do you worry about people that don't finish college?

DEAN: I worry about people being President of the United States not knowing much about the world and not knowing much about science. I worry about that.

SCARBOROUGH: Oh my God. Let's name the people that didn't finish college that have changed this world.

DEAN: Harry Truman, who was a great president, there's no question about it.

SCARBOROUGH: Did Bill Gates finish college?

DEAN: I think Bill Gates is a little different -- nobody is accusing Scott Walker of having the intellect of Bill Gates.

SCARBOROUGH: Well, nobody is accusing Scott Walker of being dumb because he didn't graduate from college except you.

DEAN: I didn't say dumb, I said unknowledgeable.

SCARBOROUGH: Well what's the difference between Scott Walker not graduating from college and Bill Gates not graduating from college?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/12/howard_dean_bashes_scott_walker_for_not_having_a_college_degree_calls_him_unknowledgeable.html

Howard Dean Bashes Scott Walker For Not Having A College Degree, Calls Him "Unknowledgeable"

On Thursday's edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, fmr. Gov. Howard Dean questioned how "well educated" Scott Walker is and called it a "problem" for the Governor of Wisconsin. Dean said this makes Walker "unknowledgeable." "Are you serious? You're saying he might not be qualified because he didn't finish college?" an incredulous Joe Scarborough asked. "I think there are going to be a lot of people who worry about that," Dean said. "Do you worry...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2015 2:05 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:05:15 -0500

I just consider the source.

I am not a fan of college education anyway. I only did it because there was literally nothing else I was suited to at the time.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2015 2:07 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:07:37 -0500

Jefferson said something to the effect that he'd trust a farmer over a life long politician. I think a corollary can be gleaned. A formal education doesn't make you wise. It may give you knowledge, but you can get that for "a buck fifty in late fees at the public library." Wisdom, knowing how to apply knowledge in accordance with principle can't be taught. It must be learned. For Gov. Scott to come as far as he has and be as successful as he has without a formal education makes him more - not less - of an attractive candidate to me. I want someone with principles and wisdom. The Ivy League has run things for too long.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Feb 15 at 2015 2:09 PM

SGT Jim Z. — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:09:40 -0500

Just because a person does not have a college degree does not make him any more knowledgeable or not. College degrees are nice but where in any laws or constitutions does it state that a governor or any elected official needs a degree it does not. I finally got my degree for personal and professional reasons not because I needed it. You can be the smartest person in your class but come to common sense you have nil.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Feb 15 at 2015 2:13 PM

Cpl Jeff N. — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:13:25 -0500

Howard Dean in yet another example of foot in mouth disease. He might want to check our history and current industry leaders for those without a college degree. By the way, there is no Constitutional requirement for a college degree so it is a meaningless argument.

The democrats may try to use that as a weapon but most Americans do not have a college degree and it may fall on deaf ears. Let's look at someone's experience and track record of accomplishment not a piece of sheepskin on the wall.

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Feb 15 at 2015 2:43 PM

SPC(P) Jay Heenan — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:43:45 -0500

Is this conversation any different than how the military looks at degrees? We can't be officers unless we have a degree. The ability to get past SFC would be rather difficult (some might say impossible) without a college degree. While I agree that a college education should not be a requirement for a individual to become President, how is this any different than serving as an officer in the any of the services?

Response by MAJ Jim Steven made Feb 15 at 2015 2:45 PM

MAJ Jim Steven — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:45:16 -0500

I will use me as an example...
I went to college and got a degree in psychology with a 2.3 GPA while drinking beer and joining a fraternity. I went to class every day, but never really studied...am I the best person to solve your personal problems, marital, child, PTSD???
Got a masters in organizational leadership....do I have more drive and vision than Gates or Zuckerberg??
Education is good, go ahead and get one...but it isn't the end all, be all...
Of all the things this country needs in a president, a degree is only a small part....and is interchangeable with many other things...
I would vote for the farmer!!!

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Feb 15 at 2015 2:54 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:54:46 -0500

You know, these college educated guys have messed things up over the last few decades. It might be time to replace Harvard with Hard-work.

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Feb 15 at 2015 3:03 PM

SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:03:28 -0500

I did not read the full post, just the first part but I can tell you this: The degree itself is not important, I shelled out 60K for an MBA that is really only ever a door opener and a "yes we can talk to him" sign behind my name (In some European countries you MUST list your Academic or risk loosing it) .

What I learned did not make me better, as a matter of fact it made me more cautious, more weary and less entrepreneurial- It took me over 3 years to get my "groove" back!

I could care less about a degree but unfortunately many see it as a minimum qualification for many things. Then if you qualify and you start getting good, they research to see if your degree is real or if you studied underwater basket weaving or something.

Then if you have an MBA no one gives a damn, yes so you have the title that means you are the business Guru but I know enough that could not open their own company or lead a business to save their life.

The on the other side I know guys who have no degree who are wiser, more personable, less stuck up in their own business and very succesfull. Actually I know more of those then I do massively succesfull people with college degrees...why is that so? I tell you why:

Very FEW go to College to become self employed or start a company, most go to get that job that society say is really amazing; CEO, COO, Ops Director or for some company like Apple, IBM or other multinationals.

Many are successful in this arena and they are the picture perfect corporate shiny person, I was one I know. As the Director for Europe for a Multinational British company, I ran operations in Europe and America at the age of 35...I HATED it, I had given up my 2 bars and 1 Disco in Berlin to peruse a "real job"...it did not last long, I stayed working for this company until this December but as a contractor WHEN I wanted and where I wanted.

Examples of those who never attended or dropped out of College becasue they believed in themselves and refused to be one of many.

Richard Branson worth 4.8 Billion
Micky Arison owns the Miami Heat and is worth 4.2 Billion (dropped out)
John Paul DeJoria the founder of Paul Mitchell products and Patrón is worth $4 billion

...and there are hundreds and hundreds more of the richest, most succesfull people on the PLANET...much more successful (maybe not as powerful but 100% free as opposed to the CEO) as the most well known CEOs.

I just took the leap again, I went broke twice in my life, I dove in the cold water in the .com boom and lost a substantial amount, then again the Mortgage industry crash killed our Mortgage business that was so successful we started to produce films in Hollywood!

Now I am off to it again; I founded a pay day loan company in Europe, starting in Poland in April/May...I dont expect,nor strive to be a billionaire but if I were...I would give much of it to my brother and sister Veterans...

There you have it; it is the Person, not the piece of paper they hold...if you know what you are saying, show common sense, can connect to those around you and listen...you are my man for the job!

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2015 4:01 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:01:56 -0500

Hypocrisy comes to mind. You can have my educational background when you publish BO's transcripts.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Feb 15 at 2015 4:02 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:02:08 -0500

Killary Hillary Clinton has a college degree from an ivy league school and she got a lot of people killed and deceptively blamed it on terribly made racist skit. Having a college degree is a foundation to build on just like a HS diploma or a GED. Also, having a college degree does not take the place for experience, intelligence or common sense. When every someone fails, does someone say, "Well he did have a college degree so I don't know what happened"?

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Feb 15 at 2015 5:37 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:37:22 -0500

I don't like Scott Walker, but I do not see a degree as a must have, if he was elected to office as governor I think twice at least? Then clearly he knows something about what he is doing even if I don't like that something.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2015 5:56 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:56:09 -0500

I agree with most everything thing I have read in this thread about a college edumacation, not everyone is cut out for college degree, some are more cut for technical school or even just the school of common sense to make it in life. As history does show us, most of the great titans of this nation did not have college degrees or even finish high school. As I have told most of my friends and colleagues with children and planning out their college degrees, think twice about whether they are college material.

Also, why is our Government now requiring a college degree for almost any job since Obama came to office?

Response by Sgt Jay Jones made Feb 15 at 2015 6:07 PM

Sgt Jay Jones — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:07:06 -0500

I'm not a fan of Scott Walker, there is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that requires a college degree. I know individuals with two and three Master Degrees with no common sense. You cannot teach such things. I don't have a college degree, but I have a private pilots license. Does make more or less qualified? This is a bunch of "crap" to place so much emphasis on education and none on leadership!

Response by SPC James Mcneil made Feb 15 at 2015 6:13 PM

SPC James Mcneil — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:13:59 -0500

This seems to be a common thread among people. "I don't like what you say, so I'm going to insult your intelligence instead of actually debating any issues."
Sad. And to me it says that the person doing this couldn't win a debate on the actual topic, so the only option is to attack the opponent.

Response by CW5 Jim Steddum made Feb 15 at 2015 6:27 PM

CW5 Jim Steddum — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:27:09 -0500

"Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity."

Scott Walker is no less knowledgeable than any other legislator in the system today. Formal education is only an indicator of ability to apply knowledge to solve problems... it is not proof positive (see nearly every elected official with a JD).

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 6:50 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 06:50:33 -0500

All you had to say was Howard Dean...

Response by SrA Andrea West made Feb 16 at 2015 6:40 PM

SrA Andrea West — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:40:30 -0500

I've got a college degree from a state school. What would Mr. Dean say about that?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 8:00 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:00:47 -0500

as long as he doesn't let out any obnoxious screams, he'll be light years ahead of the "educated" Howard Dean!!!!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2015 7:04 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:04:56 -0500

Great discussion item. I am a huge advocate for higher education because I do believe that it helps in life. That being said, college is A tool and not THE tool in life. Classroom time does not make one a good (or bad) leader.
Now, for my troops my advice remains the same: As long as there is 100% tuition assistance, you are downright stupid if you don't take advantage of it. I've only ever seen education open more doors in life. I have never seen it close them.

Response by SGT Rik Thibodeau made Feb 17 at 2015 8:35 AM

SGT Rik Thibodeau — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:35:20 -0500

Remember the congressman who said he was concerned that stationing too many troops on Guam would "cause the island to become so overcrowded that it would tip over and capsize"? Well, he has two law degrees so...yeah.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2015 1:16 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:16:58 -0500

Every time I look at Howard Dean, I cannot help but remember the skit from the Chapelle show.

Response by SPC David S. made Feb 18 at 2015 5:43 PM

SPC David S. — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:43:30 -0500

Billionaire Theodore Waitt, founder of Gateway Computers, Billionaire Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple, and Billionaire Larry Ellison, co-founder of Oracle software all dropped out of college.

Call them outliers if you want Mr. Dean. They're still all billionaires and I think they might know a thing or two.

Oh and by the way we all still remember this, yeeahhhh!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwODbl3muE

Howard Dean

Howard Dean is funny

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Feb 19 at 2015 8:10 AM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:10:00 -0500

More liberal hypocrisy. I guess it's OK for Obama to seal his college records so nobody can see them, yet criticize a conservative for not having a degree.

Give me common sense and demonstrated performance over a college degree any day. Scott Walker without a college degree has proven to be a much better leader than Obama, with his alleged Ivy League credentials.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2015 9:12 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:12:08 -0500

Mike Rowe posted this on Facebook:

Off The Wall

Kyle Smith writes...

Howard Dean recently criticized Gov Scott Walker for never finishing college, stating that he was "unknowledgeable." What would your response be on college as a requirement for elected office?

Hi Kyle

Back in 1990, The QVC Cable Shopping Channel was conducting a national talent search. I had no qualifications to speak of, but I needed a job, and thought TV might be a fun way to pay the bills. So I showed up at The Marriott in downtown Baltimore with a few hundred other hopefuls, and waited for a chance to audition. When it was my turn, the elevator took me to the top floor, where a man no expression led me into a suite and asked me to take a seat behind a large desk. Across from the desk, there was a camera on a tripod. On the desk was a digital timer with an LED display. I took a seat as the man clipped a microphone on my shirt and explained the situation.

“The purpose of this audition is to see if you can talk for eight minutes without stuttering, blathering, passing out, or throwing up. Any questions?”

“What would you like me to talk about,” I asked.

The man pulled a pencil from behind his ear and rolled it across the desk. “Talk to me about that pencil. Sell it. Make me want it. But be yourself. If you can do that for eight minutes, the job is yours. Ok?”

I looked at the pencil. It was yellow. It had a point on one end, and an eraser on the other. On the side were the words, Dixon Ticonderoga Number 2 SOFT.

“Ok,” I said.

The man set the timer to 8:00, and walked behind the tripod. He pressed a button and a red light appeared on the camera. He pressed another button and the timer began to count backwards. “Action,” he said. I picked up the pencil and started talking.

“Hi there. My name’s Mike Rowe, and I only have eight minutes to tell you why this is finest pencil on Planet Earth. So let’s get right to it.”

I opened the desk drawer and found a piece of hotel stationary, right where I hoped it would be. I picked up the pencil and wrote the word, QUALITY in capital letters. I held the paper toward the camera.

“As you can plainly see, The #2 Dixon Ticonderoga leaves a bold, unmistakable line, far superior to the thin and wispy wake left by the #3, or the fat, sloppy skid mark of the unwieldy #1. Best of all, the Ticonderoga is not filled with actual lead, but “madagascar graphite,” a far safer alternative for anyone who likes to chew on their writing implements.”

To underscore the claim, I licked the point. I then discussed the many advantages of the Ticonderoga’s color.

“A vibrant yellow, perfectly suited for an object that needs to stand out from the clutter of a desk drawer.”

I commented on the comfort of it’s design.

“Unlike those completely round pencils that press hard into the web of your hand, the Ticonderoga’s circumference is comprised of eight, gently planed surfaces, which dramatically reduce fatigue, and make writing for extended periods an absolute delight.”

I pointed out the “enhanced eraser,” which was “guaranteed to still be there - even when the pencil was sharpened down to an unusable nub.”

I opined about handmade craftsmanship and American made quality. I talked about the feel of real wood.

“In a world overrun with plastic and high tech gadgets, isn’t it comforting to know that some things haven’t evolved into something shiny and gleaming and completely unrecognizable?’”

After all that, there was still five minutes on the timer. So I shifted gears and considered the pencil’s impact on Western Civilization. I spoke of Picasso and Van Gogh, and their hundreds of priceless drawings - all done in pencil. I talked about Einstein and Hawking, and their many complicated theories and theorems - all done in pencil.

“Pen and ink are fine for memorializing contracts,” I said, “but real progress relies on the ability to erase and start anew. Archimedes said he could move the world with a lever long enough, but when it came to proving it, he needed a pencil to make the point.”

With three minutes remaining, I moved on to some personal recollections about the role of pencils in my own life. My first legible signature, my first book report, my first crossword puzzle, and of course, my first love letter. I may have even worked up a tear as I recalled the innocence of my youth, scribbled out on a piece of looseleaf with all the hope and passion a desperate 6th grader could muster...courtesy of a #2 pencil.

With :30 seconds left on the timer, I looked fondly at the Dixon Ticonderoga, and sat silently for five seconds. Then I wrapped it up.

“We call it a pencil, because all things need a name. But today, let’s call it what it really is. A time machine. A match maker. A magic wand. And let’s say it can all be yours...for just .99 cents.”

The timer read 0:00. The man walked back to the desk. He took the pencil and wrote “YOU’RE HIRED” on the stationary, and few days later, I moved to West Chester, PA. And a few days after that, I was on live television, face to face with the never-ending parade of trinkets and chochkes that comprise QVC’s overnight inventory.

I spent three months on the graveyard shift, five nights a week. Technically, this was my training period, which was curious, given the conspicuous absence of supervision, or anything that could be confused with actual instruction. Every few minutes a stagehand would bring me another mysterious “must have item,” which I’d blather about nonsensically until it was whisked away and replaced with something no less baffling. In this way, I slowly uncovered the mysteries of my job, and forged a tenuous relationship with an audience of chronic insomniacs and narcoleptic lonely-hearts. It was a crucible of confusion and ambiguity, and in hindsight, the best training I ever had.

Which brings me to the point of your question, Kyle.
I don’t agree with Howard Dean - not at all.

Here’s what I didn’t understand 25 years ago. QVC had a serious recruiting problem. Qualified candidates were applying in droves, but failing miserably on the air. Polished salespeople with proven track records were awkward on TV. Professional actors with extensive credits couldn’t be themselves on camera. And seasoned hosts who understood live television had no experience hawking products. So eventually, QVC hit the reset button. They stopped looking for “qualified” people, and started looking for anyone who could talk about a pencil for eight minutes.

QVC had confused qualifications with competency.
Perhaps America has done something similar?

Look at how we hire help - it’s no so different than how we elect leaders. We search for work ethic on resumes. We look for intelligence in test scores. We search for character in references. And of course, we look at a four-year diploma as though it might actually tell us something about common-sense and leadership.

Obviously, we need a bit more from our elected officials than the instincts of a home shopping host, but the business of determining what those “qualifications” are is completely up to us. We get to decide what matters most. We get to decide if a college degree or military service is somehow determinative. We get to decide if Howard Dean is correct.

Anyone familiar with my foundation knows my position. I think a trillion dollars of student loans and a massive skills gap are precisely what happens to a society that actively promotes one form of education as the best course for the most people. I think the stigmas and stereotypes that keep so many people from pursuing a truly useful skill, begin with the mistaken belief that a four-year degree is somehow superior to all other forms of learning. And I think that making elected office contingent on a college degree is maybe the worst idea I’ve ever heard.

But of course, Howard Dean is not the real problem. He’s just one guy. And he’s absolutely right when he says that many others will judge Scott Walker for not finishing college. That's the real problem.

However - when Howard Dean called the Governor “unknowledgeable,” he rolled out more than a stereotype. He rolled a pencil across the desk, and gave Scott Walker eight minutes to knock it out of the park.

It’ll be fun to see if he does.

Mike

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Feb 19 at 2015 2:29 PM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:29:11 -0500

Marie Harf has a Master's Degree. Their point is?

Response by TSgt Kevin Buccola made Feb 19 at 2015 2:33 PM

TSgt Kevin Buccola — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:33:33 -0500

Here are a few items of interest about Presidents that never received formal degrees

George Washington (The death of his father ended Washington's formal schooling; however, he believed strongly in formal education. In his will, he left money and/or stocks to support three educational institutions.
Andrew Jackson
Martin Van Buren
William Henry Harrison (attended college but never received a degree)
Zachary Taylor
Millard Fillmore (founded the University at Buffalo, The State University of New York)
Abraham Lincoln (had only about a year of formal schooling of any kind)
Andrew Johnson
Grover Cleveland
William McKinley (attended Allegheny College (did not graduate) and Albany Law School (graduated with honors))
Harry S. Truman (went to business college and law school but did not receive a degree)

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 12:48 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 00:48:45 -0500

http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/26/forget-scott-walkers-isisunions-comments

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Apr 1 at 2015 4:45 PM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Wed, 01 Apr 2015 16:45:21 -0400

It's a mixed bag, really. I think the measure should be how much one VALUES education vs how much formal education one actually has. Anti-intellectualism is just as bad as ivory tower thinking.

I personally found a college education extremely helpful in tackling complex problems. On the other hand, I respect my dad's wisdom more than most men's and he's a college dropout working in a field that he has no formal training in.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Apr 2 at 2015 1:38 PM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 13:38:20 -0400

That's a really interesting question.
Why is it that politics appears to be the only job without minimum education requirements?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 5:28 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:28:46 -0400

It didn't do Dean much good. He hoodwinked his voters and embarrassed himself as a man. And he is nutz.

https://youtu.be/l6i-gYRAwM0

typical limpwristed progressive

2004: The scream that doomed Howard Dean

This moment following a third place showing in the 2004 Iowa caucuses all but ended Howard Dean's run for president. More from CNN at http://www.cnn.com/video/

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Apr 3 at 2015 7:28 PM

Cpl Mark McMiller — Fri, 03 Apr 2015 19:28:03 -0400

Well, Howard Dean is one of the biggest dumb asses to come along in a long time and he's a doctor, so I think his argument just failed. YAAAAAaaaaa!

Response by PO2 Mark Saffell made Apr 3 at 2015 10:38 PM

PO2 Mark Saffell — Fri, 03 Apr 2015 22:38:50 -0400

Heck use Obama. He has a college degree and sucks as president. I guess Dean can't see that.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2015 9:47 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:47:36 -0400

Education cannot replace common sense. Some people have it, some do not. A college education is only a sign of continuing education. Scott Walker doesnt have it... why would you want a non-educated person leading this country? Would you go to the Doctors office and agree to have the office janitor (example) perform surgery on you?

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Apr 19 at 2017 12:49 PM

SSgt Boyd Welch — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:49:04 -0400

At some point, experience becomes equivalent to the bachelors degree. I've known 20 year production technicians that have to hand hold degreed engineers because they have no real world experience. Our company has positions that we prefer a degree but we do not automatically exclude someone for consideration because they do not have one. Hire/promote someone with a proven track record of success rather than just the education. the schools only hit the surface of knowledge required. Just like in combat, the real "depth" comes in the field. As far as Scott Walker, he fought a lot of uphill battles but was probably the first state to get back in the black and return the surplus to his citizens (based on what the media said). I wouldn't think twice about voting for him regardless of the lack of academic credentials. The smartest man I ever knew was my grandfather who had only an 8th grade education but owned several businesses that prospered. My dad worked his way up from Stock boy to VP of his company with a high school diploma.

Response by LTC Thomas Tennant made Jul 17 at 2018 10:01 AM

LTC Thomas Tennant — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:01:33 -0400

Nope...a college education today means nothing. All it says is you have survived a liberal indoctrination.