Posted on Nov 17, 2015
Senators, themselves veterans, are calling for an American led ground war in Syria. Do you agree?
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Senate Armed Service Committee member, Republican presidential candidate, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, speaks on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Oct. 27, 2015.
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I really think the country needs to believe that:
1. A ground war will end this BS
2. the country will get behind it.
Otherwise no. We can not continue to send our sons and daughters to fix everyone's problems.
1. A ground war will end this BS
2. the country will get behind it.
Otherwise no. We can not continue to send our sons and daughters to fix everyone's problems.
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The world in general, and the US in particular, have little stomach for a ground war--particularly back again in the Middle East--which is why the fallacy of a “sanitary” air war is more supportable. Wars are settled on the ground with a win, loss or (historically rare) stalemate.
If we are concerned about winning against ISIS, troops are needed; and I say this not just as a biased former grunt. I would challenge anyone to name a war won without somebody's boots on the ground. The closest example I can even think of is defeating Japan in WW2 with “The Bomb”. However, boots were needed to weaken the enemy fighting forces; to advance The Bomb close enough for the planes to carry it; and to occupy the defeated country.
I have mused about the idea of a new version of the American Volunteer Group (AVG). Not so much like modern mercenaries or random one-off, ex-military types volunteering to fight ISIS, but like the “Flying Tigers” of old. Professional military personnel, paid, supplied and supported “Fighting Tigers” that could act as a proxy army to the air war coalition; funded by affected nations and wealthy patrons.
But that’s just random musings, and it won't happen.
If we are concerned about winning against ISIS, troops are needed; and I say this not just as a biased former grunt. I would challenge anyone to name a war won without somebody's boots on the ground. The closest example I can even think of is defeating Japan in WW2 with “The Bomb”. However, boots were needed to weaken the enemy fighting forces; to advance The Bomb close enough for the planes to carry it; and to occupy the defeated country.
I have mused about the idea of a new version of the American Volunteer Group (AVG). Not so much like modern mercenaries or random one-off, ex-military types volunteering to fight ISIS, but like the “Flying Tigers” of old. Professional military personnel, paid, supplied and supported “Fighting Tigers” that could act as a proxy army to the air war coalition; funded by affected nations and wealthy patrons.
But that’s just random musings, and it won't happen.
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No. Because, in addition to the points raised by 1stSgt (Join to see), there is are two questions that would have to have a satisfactory answer:
1. On WHOSE side? Answers limited to actual organizations that could govern in the aftermath. You can answer on the U.S. side, but only if you are OK with fifty years of occupation, minimum.
2. What is our desired end state? A specific end state that is realistically achievable with the forces (to include allies) that we can bring to the table for the amount of time we can keep them. (This makes "the U.S. side" answer to the first question a non-starter for me, because nobody is going to support an generational occupation.)
Without satisfactory answers to those questions, there is no reason to assume that we will improve the situation.
1. On WHOSE side? Answers limited to actual organizations that could govern in the aftermath. You can answer on the U.S. side, but only if you are OK with fifty years of occupation, minimum.
2. What is our desired end state? A specific end state that is realistically achievable with the forces (to include allies) that we can bring to the table for the amount of time we can keep them. (This makes "the U.S. side" answer to the first question a non-starter for me, because nobody is going to support an generational occupation.)
Without satisfactory answers to those questions, there is no reason to assume that we will improve the situation.
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