Senior Rater Option NCOER. Is it warranted in this situation?

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 May 2014 14:45:19 -0400

I have a senior rater that is directing that Senior Rater NCOER be written on an NCO because the senior rater is moving out to a new job.

The senior rater wants the NCOER because they feel like if they don't oversee the rating then it will be fluffed up when completed.

The Senior rater is out for blood, however the rater does not want to write it the way senior rater wants. They have two opposite opinions of the NCO. What's right here? This NCOER will be brutal rating if the senior rater has their way.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2014 6:36 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 May 2014 18:36:36 -0400

The NCO needs to appeal the rating. If there were no negative counselings on the NCO, then a poor rating is not warranted. He might get an average one instead but at least it's better than a poor rating! It happened to two of my buddies, where the 1SG had a poor opinion of them (and my PSG didn't have a spine), they fought the rating and actually were successful in getting a better one because no counselings were written.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2014 7:01 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 May 2014 19:01:53 -0400

SFC,

I wrote the worst NCOERs for a subordinate two years in a row. The counseling packet I had on the individual was extensive, thorough, and bullet proof. The senior rater agreed with my evaluation, and the reviewer had no choice but to agree in light of the supporting documentation. If the rater has done their due diligence with counseling and the dash 1, then there can be no argument about how the individual was rated.

Response by MSG(P) Michael Warrick made May 26 at 2014 11:11 PM

MSG(P) Michael Warrick — Mon, 26 May 2014 23:11:55 -0400

The rather needs to write his portion as he see the Soldier and then the senior rater needs to write his portion. The rater then should ask for documentation to back up the rater or senior rater if they do mot go along with each other. The Soldier being rated can appeal it if he feels he us not be dated fairly. Counseling is a vital here and it must be in written form to support the way theSoldier is being rated.

I hope this helps !

Response by SFC Douglas Eshenbaugh made May 27 at 2014 4:03 AM

SFC Douglas Eshenbaugh — Tue, 27 May 2014 04:03:35 -0400

This is where the reviewer is suppose to come in. If both the Rater and Sr Rater refuse to budge in this situation the reviewer is suppose to check nonconcur and do a nonoccurrence memorandum as an enclosure. Does this happen, usually not. What usually happens is a closed door meeting between the rater, senior rater and other interested parties happens and things get ironed out to the point where the reviewer can check concur.

I would talk with the reviewer about my concerns with the senior rater especially if he is trying to dictate what I put in the rater sections of the NCOER.