Should 18 year olds in the military be allowed to drink alcohol?

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 00:51:19 -0500

One of the most annoying things is busting college students for drinking. The problem is that you can at 21 at college but most graduate at 22-24, so part of the population can and part cannot.

But for the sake of argument, let's say that it is 21 and over, should military personnel be allowed to drink?

Response by PFC Stephen Snyder made Nov 28 at 2013 12:53 AM

PFC Stephen Snyder — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 00:53:18 -0500

Absolutely not.

Response by SSG Laureano Pabon made Nov 28 at 2013 1:29 AM

SSG Laureano Pabon — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 01:29:42 -0500

I had to give you a hands up on tis question SSG Olsen, but I can't say yes nor I can say no.

The RP pic you see in my profile was me when I was 17 years old,

In Basic after a while just as your ready to graduate, the drill SGTS did get together with us and we had a pic nic, that included cases of beer.

When I got to my permanent party at Ft Bliss, I went to the pub and ordered a pitcher of beer all for my lone some.

The following morning the 2 mile run really hit me.

In Camp Howze Korea, something happened that was not suppose to happen, it alerted a every one, I was under the influence (like every one else was ) prepared, for action. Since then I stopped my drinking. Even now if I had a beer, it would be every 2 years min. So for me its not 18 in the military that should not drink its every one in the military that should not drink.

Response by SFC James Baber made Nov 28 at 2013 2:45 AM

SFC James Baber — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 02:45:59 -0500

My mentality has always been if you are old enough to die for your country, you be able to have beer for her as well, I actually was as the right age each time they changed the laws. I was 18 when it was still 18, was already 19 when it raised up for a few years, and was already 21+ when the made the current restriction to 21. I give a resounding Yes, if they can die and vote, they should be allowed to responsibly drink.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2013 3:20 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 03:20:17 -0500

I am LDS which means I don't drink because of my faith, but also because I see the effects of alcohol a lot around me. However, if drinking is allowed, everyone old enough to join should be able to partake.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2013 7:27 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 07:27:38 -0500

I enlisted on my 17th Birthday so I guess I would have been SOL for a year.

I think our country is too up tight about drinking.

For me it's a rule of law question, there should only be one age of majority.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2013 1:56 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:56:20 -0500

You can in some country you get stationed in so why not the U.S.

Response by CPT Daniel Walk, M.B.A. made Nov 28 at 2013 2:39 PM

CPT Daniel Walk, M.B.A. — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:39:42 -0500

<p>18 year olds should be allowed to drink alcohol, military or not. It is an unreasonable message for politicians to send by saying you are old enough to be given the death penalty, enter into a contract, win the lottery, et al..... but not drink alcohol.</p><p> </p><p>The continued assumption that the level of maturity of the brain should determine the age at which you should be allowed to conduct certain activities does little more than prevent people from developing decision making capacities at younger ages. The term is infantilization. </p><p> </p><p>In addition, it sends these types of behaviors into the dark corners of society. The more you restrict the activity, the less of it you will see. That does not mean it is not happening, it means that the guidance that should be legitimate authority, authority figures, or even peer pressure, is completely absent.</p>

Response by SSG Larry Smith made Nov 28 at 2013 3:58 PM

SSG Larry Smith — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:58:28 -0500

17 years old should be law that you can drink on post only, not off post inless it is in your own home also you should be able too vote these turkeys in wash D,C, out of office so MY ANSWER 2 YOUR QUESTION [YES].

Response by 1st Lt Sean Haggerty made Nov 28 at 2013 4:37 PM

1st Lt Sean Haggerty — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:37:28 -0500

I remember in 1982, 18 was the legal age nationwide, and in Texas the driver could have a beer in the car but not intoxicated and guests in the car were not limited. Whether or Not is a discussion only AFTER the apparently arbitrary age limited is accepted at the outset. Is it better to refrain from alcohol, you bet, yes, absolutely. Imagine all those bar tabs and alcohol costs compounded over the years, calculate the value today. What is frightening in the responses here is the unquestioning obeisance unprotesting acceptance of the yokes of third party determinations binding another person in their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Everyone is allowed to be wrong with accountability as a consequence. Risk is the price of living in a free society, if there were no risk there would be no freedom and how far from despotism are we today?

It is not whether or not an 18 year old that heretofore had at one time been of the age of majority to decide to consume one beverage or another; but rather, by what articulable right does anyone have to compel anyone of the age of majority to do or not do a thing absent a trespass on another's rights. Arguing the point acquiesces to the unsubstantiated legitimacy of the premise.

“[I]t is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or of any number of men, at the entering into society to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights, when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are life, liberty, and property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up an essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right of freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave.”
― Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams

Author of The Writings of Samuel Adams, The Writings of Samuel Adams [Volume 3 of 4, The Writings of Samuel Adams [Volume 2 of 4, Los 10 Mandamientos del Noviazgo, The Writings of Samuel Adams, volu...

Response by 1st Lt Sean Haggerty made Nov 28 at 2013 4:39 PM

1st Lt Sean Haggerty — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:39:01 -0500

Samuel Adams

Response by SGT Michael McMahon made Nov 28 at 2013 6:33 PM

SGT Michael McMahon — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:33:30 -0500

Being that I joined at 18, 26 years ago, and now with my youngest stepson who is about to deploy to Afghanistan, and under 21, I say this:  If you are adult enough to die for this Nation, you are adult enough to have an adult beverage.  Either exempt those in service or veterans from the 21 drinking age, or we need to prohibit those under 21 from serving and dying for our nation!

Response by MSgt Howie Appel made Nov 28 at 2013 7:25 PM

MSgt Howie Appel — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:25:09 -0500

Since the MPs typically patrol on base drinking, I feel that if they can serve our country, they can hoist one or two. I think they should be closely monitored though. Off base they can't dring, Security Police and MPs have a bit more control on base.

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Nov 28 at 2013 7:32 PM

SGM Matthew Quick — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:32:54 -0500

No...the Army has enough substance abuse issues.<br><br>Allowing a huge population of the Army to legally drink will lead to more unnecessary deaths, injuries and chapters.<br><br>Instead of allowing MORE Soldiers to drink, let's focus on preventing substance abuse issues.

Response by MSgt Raymond Hickey made Nov 28 at 2013 8:15 PM

MSgt Raymond Hickey — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:15:46 -0500

YES, Military members should be allowed to drink...period...While I was in Nam in 1970, they had an under 21 club, where only 3.2 beer was served and an over 21 club where you could drink beer and misec drinks...one day I was legal only in the under 21 club the next day in the over 21 club...just a bunch of politicians once again dictating to the military what is politically correct...

Response by SSgt William Story made Nov 28 at 2013 8:16 PM

SSgt William Story — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:16:28 -0500

I say yes. If you have to accept all the responsibilities of an adult you shod be afforded all the privileges.

Response by CSM Mike Maynard made Nov 28 at 2013 9:21 PM

CSM Mike Maynard — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 21:21:39 -0500

Drinking age in Okinawa is 20. Honestly, I'm not seeing our 20 yr olds making worse composite risk management decisions than 21 or older.<div><br></div><div>Personally, I would feel comfortable allowing 18yr old drink. Let's go ahead and teach/educate them on drinking moderately and making good choices at 18.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Will we have incidences with 18yr olds? Yes. But it's probably the same ones that would have had incidences when we allowed them to start drinking at 21.</div>

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2013 10:26 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:26:03 -0500

Rules are rules however I believe if you can carry a gun into combat and have had the displeasure of taking a life then personally I think a drink is not harmful; however rules are rules and we have to follow them...

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Nov 29 at 2013 12:00 AM

SSG Robert Burns — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 00:00:11 -0500

I don't know if should is the right question. My question would be what would it accomplish? What will it make better? Im a firm believer in just because you can doesn't mean that out should. This is why I am not in the NFL, just didn't think it was a good fit for me. ;-y

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Nov 29 at 2013 10:37 AM

SSG Robert Burns — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 10:37:28 -0500

The thing about these prohibitive laws is that they don't stop people from doing anything. They just allow you to get in trouble when you get caught. People speed even though there's a speed limit. It doesn't stop them from speeding, they just hope not to get caught. Whether it's 5 over or 20 over.

If 18 year olds want to drink then they are going to drink. It's just harder for them to do it.

Response by SFC Michael Boulanger made Nov 29 at 2013 1:52 PM

SFC Michael Boulanger — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:52:41 -0500

No, No and No. You think we have problems now with some young Soldiers acting right...

Response by CMC Robert Young made Nov 29 at 2013 4:10 PM

CMC Robert Young — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:10:51 -0500

In a perfect world the answer would be yes. You reach the age of majority, and immediately gain all of the rights and privileges assigned thereto. The unfortunate reality is that we don't live in a perfect world. The reason the drinking age was raised to 21 was because very solid long term statistical data indicates that the younger members of our society (a group already known for its lack of sound judgment) do increasingly stupid things when alcohol is introduced. Raising the drinking age is predicated on mitigating poor behavior (DUI, fighting, etc.), and the accompanying bad consequences (death, life long disabilities, criminal record, etc.)

Working in law enforcement in both the civilian and military worlds, I can attest based on personal experience to the validity of this theory. As a SNCO, I have likewise seen the vast majority of career ending events tied to the less than judicious use of alcohol by our junior members.

A personal observation is that we (American society) do not approach alcohol in a very healthy manner. We as a nation endure disproportional negative impacts (traffic death/injury, continued substance abuse, etc.) as the result of alcohol use compared to other western democracies. If culturally we educated our children in a healthier fashion, then reducing the drinking age might be possible.

Response by CDR Richard Tucker made Nov 29 at 2013 4:39 PM

CDR Richard Tucker — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:39:10 -0500

Yes, The age of adulthood is set at 18, there should be no exclusions, especially to those who are charged with the security of our nation.

Response by SrA Ron DuBois made Nov 29 at 2013 5:42 PM

SrA Ron DuBois — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:42:57 -0500

Absolutely!!!

Response by SrA Ron DuBois made Nov 29 at 2013 5:43 PM

SrA Ron DuBois — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:43:32 -0500

Absolutely!!!

Response by SPC Gary Basom made Nov 29 at 2013 5:57 PM

SPC Gary Basom — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:57:23 -0500

I suppose federal law says something like they are not allowed, but because he or she is willing to put on that uniform and risk everything for this great country I believe they should be allowed to drink at least 2 beers, or 2 shots of the hard stuff, but don't let them start getting addicted to alcohol.

Response by SPC Gary Basom made Nov 29 at 2013 5:58 PM

SPC Gary Basom — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:58:12 -0500

Moderation is the key word.

Response by SGT Jay Liggett made Nov 29 at 2013 8:46 PM

SGT Jay Liggett — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:46:00 -0500

As a member of the Military we are held to a standard of rules and regulations, so, regardless of our age we are sworn to keep and protect the laws of this great nation. Let us be honorable in our service.

Response by SGT Jay Liggett made Nov 29 at 2013 9:22 PM

SGT Jay Liggett — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:22:17 -0500

" You can convince a man against his will, but he'll be of the same opinion still" Donald L. Liggett 1976 my Father. USAF, CIA

Response by SFC Ricardo Ruiz made Nov 29 at 2013 10:32 PM

SFC Ricardo Ruiz — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:32:36 -0500

Of course. To respond to the OP why not? But remember moderation.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2013 10:53 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:53:02 -0500

At 18 you are an adult in the eyes of the government. From 18 to 21 you don't mature enought. Get enought young people together 18 or 21 they will act the same. Over seas the drinking age is 18 on and off base. From my understanding it's up to the installation commander to set the drinking age.

Response by 1SG Steven Stankovich made Nov 30 at 2013 12:01 AM

1SG Steven Stankovich — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:01:42 -0500

I remember back in the day when the saying was that "if you were old enough to raise your right hand, then you should be old enough to have a beer." I joined the Army five weeks after I turned 18 and my first duty assignment was in Germany. I "learned" how to drink, how to treat alcohol with respect, and also how bad it felt when you had a few too many and went out for PT in the morning. I PCSd back to the states three weeks before I turned 21. All in all, I think that I turned out alright.

I don't see much difference in the decision making processes of young servicemen and women ages 18-21. Regardless though that I personally believe that 18 year old members of the military should be able to drink alcohol, it is a moot point considering that the drinking age in CONUS is 21.

Response by SSgt Lynda Bloomberg made Nov 30 at 2013 9:48 AM

SSgt Lynda Bloomberg — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:48:21 -0500

Military should be allowed to drink on base at 18. They should also know if they go off base and get busted then they face the consequences. But on base... absolutely.

Response by SSgt Lynda Bloomberg made Nov 30 at 2013 9:53 AM

SSgt Lynda Bloomberg — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:53:18 -0500

You gave me a wrench and a KC135 when I was 18 and said go fix it.... At the time there were 4 lives that counted on me doing my job. If the military deemed me responsible enough to do that.... then I'm responsible to drink at 18. Though at the age of 50 and looking back I'm amazed at the responsibility I was given back then and wonder about today's youth. But if we are giving them the responsibility to work on weapon systems and aircraft then we need to give them the ability to be responsible out side of work and allow to drink.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2013 10:03 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:03:37 -0500

Here is a thought.... Why not bring new recruits in at 21 instead of 18? Problem solved.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2013 10:46 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:46:24 -0500

You know, I'll come out and say it. Yes. We have to acknowledge, drinking is a part of military culture - it has been a part of military culture, probably since the very beginning, so we either finally find a smart way to integrate it, and diffuse the impact of dangerous, immature practices, deglamorize binge drinking, by demystifying it. The more we make into a "no big deal" thing, but also one where there is a whole lot of shame to go along with being stupid and OVERDOING it - and I do mean public shaming too - I think we'll actually see a reduction in the number of incidents.

Teetotaling and putting servicemembers into "time out" or "lock down" on base has worked so well, hasn't it?

Response by Spc 1 J W. made Nov 30 at 2013 12:03 PM

Spc 1 J W. — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:03:42 -0500

On the surface it sounds reasonable - someone who can give up their life for their country at 18 should be able to purchase and consume alcohol.  Just because a person meets the age requirement (I left for boot camp at age 17) to join the military and possibly give their life for their country doesn't mean they are ready to drink alcohol.  In my opinion they are two unrelated things.  Currently about 4,700 deaths per year in the U.S. are attributed to underage drinking.  Younger drinkers are more likely to drink more drinks per drinking occasion than their adult drinking counterparts.  We've all heard the term "liquid courage".  Hopefully when someone enlists in the military, signs their name and takes the oath, they do it with a clear head.  Alcohol on the other hand can cloud people's judgement.  Sometimes their lucky, sometimes they pay with their lives.  Yes there are responsible people who do not drink in excess or if they do they don't get behind the wheel.  I just think there is no harm in making them wait.<br>

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2013 12:11 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:11:01 -0500

While there are a lot of good arguments to allow 18 year olds to drink alcohol, (and I agree with most of them) from a medical standpoint, I think having the age as high as we do actually makes thing a little better for us overall. The human brain takes an average of 25 years to fully develop and alcohol inhibits the ability of the brain to do so. And once the brain has reached that point, it will not continue to develop. If you slowed the process earlier in life it will not make it up later on..... However, with that being said, we once had a policy here in San Diego to allow Military members to drink at the age of 18 on base. This was an attempt to keep young Sailors and Marine's from going down the road to Mexico. The police was revoked several years ago and we seem to have more alcohol related incidences’ (DUI's, public intoxication and under age drinking) then ever before. Weather that comes from not allowing 18 year olds to drink on base or not, I personally can't say, but it would be nice to see some kind of study on it, to see if we can slow down the ARI rate.

Response by SN Michael Mygas made Nov 30 at 2013 12:19 PM

SN Michael Mygas — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:19:59 -0500

Being able to drink beer on base at 18 is no problem in my opinion. If you're stupid enough to go off base after you've been drinking then suffer your own consequences. You're in the military to learn discipline and grow into adulthood.

Response by LTC Dallas Powell made Nov 30 at 2013 12:46 PM

LTC Dallas Powell — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:46:17 -0500

The answer is yes -- but it doesn't matter because young troops will always find a way and the rules are loosely enforced at best.

Response by SGT Dave Quecke made Nov 30 at 2013 12:54 PM

SGT Dave Quecke — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:54:04 -0500

18 year olds are going to drink in the military...The question is do we think they should get in trouble for it? I think not....

Response by CMDCM Clarence "Frenchie" Frye made Nov 30 at 2013 1:21 PM

CMDCM Clarence "Frenchie" Frye — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:21:25 -0500

The problem is that it's no longer an "age" issue in America. While you may not want it to be a political issue, it most certainly is...in every way. It's all tied to federal money to states for roads and other funding coming from Washington. The drinking age is a state law, not a federal one. If you want the drinking age in your state to drop to 20 or lower, you work on your state legislature to change it. The hard part is convincing anyone wanting to be elected or re-elected to make the case for dropping the drinking age. MADD, SADD, and every other anti-drunk driving organization will line up against anyone supporting legislation to drop the drinking age at all...anywhere. It's political suicide and every politician knows it. Military leaders answer to political leaders, so I don't see the drinking age on any U.S. bases changing either.

We allowed 18yo to drink on deployment, but we had a pretty intense education program before each port visit that emphasized the buddy system, responsible behavior and consequences for bad acting...including the buddy. We still had issues. I doubt if transferring those same types of intense education measures would translate to CONUS leaders relaxing age limits.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Spencer made Nov 30 at 2013 1:35 PM

SSG Jeffrey Spencer — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:35:08 -0500

We Americans make way to much of these social 'moral' issues. If you're old enough to enlist and lay your life on the line, you're old enough to have a beer.

Other countries don't make these issues a social sin and don't have nearly the problems we do. If a person would abuse or do wrong after making a decision to overindulge, they should be held responsible for their actions. No coddling saying they were to immature, etc.

Response by TSgt James Marotto made Nov 30 at 2013 1:48 PM

TSgt James Marotto — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:48:08 -0500

Military members should definitely be allowed to drink on the confines of the Military Base, regardless of age. They are old enough to fight and die, they are old enough to drink. College Students on the other hand...... WAIT TILL YOUR 21, OR See you Local Military Recruiting Office.

Response by Sgt Freddy Miranda made Nov 30 at 2013 2:26 PM

Sgt Freddy Miranda — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:26:49 -0500

YES, they should be allowed, especially if they are stationed over seas;that conflict difference in Okinawa, Japan caused me and my buddies to get in trouble when we try to enter base.

Response by CPO Jon Campbell made Nov 30 at 2013 4:51 PM

CPO Jon Campbell — Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:51:02 -0500

I remember beer machines in the barracks, and a lot more enlisted clubs and package stores on bases. As a chief, I had to process several members out of the service for alcohol related issues. It was never easy.

As a young enlisted member, I had to 'rescue' several shipmates from jail, take others to alcohol counseling, and fill a billet at a station for a guy who was killed when he rolled his car over in a ditch in front of the station while driving drunk and died. I remember sitting up all night several times with an E6 who had PTSD in order to distract him every once in awhile and turn the dial on the the weapons safe to keep him from getting a gun and killing himself.

It is sad to see the effect alcohol has on the lives of military members and their dependents. If a correlation exists between old enough to fight and old enough to drink then I would be in favor of raising the fighting age.

I know it is an unpopular to take any position against a time honored tradition such as drinking, but I choose to think of it not as a position against drinking, so much as a position that supports the well-being and long life of American soldiers, sailors, and their families.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2013 3:14 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 03:14:57 -0500

Yep

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2013 3:58 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 03:58:43 -0500

Yes, if the law applies across the board to every citizen at the same age as already stated in previous responses.

However, there would need to be a huge shift in how we (Americans) socialize the youth to be able to handle the maturity of drinking as it can cause major problems that have lasting implications on one's life, the lives of others, abuse, domestic violence, etc. This socialization process, which occurs in many other countries, actually gives younger people the ability to make decisions at a younger age and drinking alcohol becomes less of a phenomenon to them. As for Americans, everything that is prohibited or has parameters becomes an adventure and exploration......we see the same attitude come out in the younger generations in their desire for instant gratification in acquiring the latest fads that they clearly don't need.

My apologies for posting twice.

Response by PO2 Eric Hardy made Dec 1 at 2013 10:43 AM

PO2 Eric Hardy — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:43:38 -0500

I am a firm beleaver if you are defending the country you should be able to drink. with that said i also think its a "on the base drinking only" and that there tolerance level should be lowered to .06 to .04. why you ask? because when i was 18 i was a fucking dumb ass on the juice vs what i am now at 40's .

Response by SSG Willis Baker made Dec 1 at 2013 2:03 PM

SSG Willis Baker — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:03:40 -0500

This has been a discussion point for decades. For 18-20 year old soldiers it is hard to participate in company parties because there is always someone watching them. No Commander what's to be called out for allowing their younger soldiers to drink. Since this such a big issue, why not bring back, 3.2 beer.

Response by Cpl Brenton MacKinnon made Dec 1 at 2013 2:35 PM

Cpl Brenton MacKinnon — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:35:12 -0500

If we can die for the USA

Let's have a beer on the way!

Mac

Response by Cpl Brenton MacKinnon made Dec 1 at 2013 2:36 PM

Cpl Brenton MacKinnon — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:36:29 -0500

We can die for the USA!
How about a beer on the way!

Mac

Response by Cpl Brenton MacKinnon made Dec 1 at 2013 2:37 PM

Cpl Brenton MacKinnon — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:37:35 -0500

If we can die for the USA...

How about a beer on the way?
Mac

Response by Cpl Brenton MacKinnon made Dec 1 at 2013 2:42 PM

Cpl Brenton MacKinnon — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:42:36 -0500

As you all must know (?)

18 year old people

can drink in some States

and have for some time

Response by Cpl Brenton MacKinnon made Dec 1 at 2013 2:48 PM

Cpl Brenton MacKinnon — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:48:58 -0500

Lofty intellectualism, piercing analysis, fiery speeches and symbolic victories shall never pacify the warriors pursuit for dignity.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2013 3:26 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 15:26:54 -0500

One day in Little Rock my neighbor in the dorm told me he had something to tell me. Apparently his roommate had convinced him to take the blame in which his roommate had been drinking and crashed a car. The person who took the blame was charged with reckless driving. I told him to tell this to his supervisor, which I doubt he did.

Here is where it gets creepy. A few months later the one who let his roommate burn, died in a DWI accident. I looked down at the front desk of the hospital, saw his name and saw DOA. Talk about a chilling moment. I am pretty that guy would have ended up in trouble anyway.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 1 at 2013 9:32 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Sun, 01 Dec 2013 21:32:54 -0500

Given the sheer amount of alcohol related incidents in the military, I'm not entirely convinced that it's in our best interest to have ANYONE drinking, much less lower the standard...

Response by MAJ Jd Draper made Dec 2 at 2013 8:06 AM

MAJ Jd Draper — Mon, 02 Dec 2013 08:06:28 -0500

Any soldier old enough to fight in the defense of his country is old enough to drink

Response by SFC Shakira Browne made Dec 2 at 2013 6:07 PM

SFC Shakira Browne — Mon, 02 Dec 2013 18:07:03 -0500

I believe that 18 yr olds should be able to drink, but within the confines of the post. When I qas stationed at Ft. Bliss back in 2007 they allowed 18 yr olds to drink on post. I think part of it had to do with being so close to Juarez México, and they wanted to discourage solidiers from sneaking to Mexico just to drink. The new post commander rolled in and put the axe to that. Now drinking off post as an 18 yr old I wouldn't agree with SIMPLY for the legal headache that would come about with the state vs military.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 2 at 2013 6:48 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Dec 2013 18:48:16 -0500

I say let them drink. We can cut the access fat that the mitary is trying to trim, and then the mature responsible ones will be responsible and thankfull for the the change.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 2 at 2013 7:17 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Dec 2013 19:17:56 -0500

I always supported that fact the 18yrds should be able to drink, however looking back, I'm not so sure anymore. Peoples mentality has changed dramatically over last few decades so at this point in time I don't think that that's such a good idea. Lets look at the statistics and take that under consideration. Kids are texting and driving and getting killed that way so to add alcohol to the equation would equal a complete disaster.

Response by WO1(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2013 6:05 AM

WO1(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Dec 2013 06:05:59 -0500

What a joke...you can't teach morals to people who have intentions on their own. Making it legal for those who are too impatient to wait the three years makes no sense at all. Anyone who said they didnt mature much from 18-21....you are the problem....

Response by WO1(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2013 6:06 AM

WO1(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Dec 2013 06:06:06 -0500

Response by SFC Charles E Hightower made Dec 3 at 2013 1:26 PM

SFC Charles E Hightower — Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:26:07 -0500

If you can service at 18, vote at 18 than you should drink at 18 or change it all to 21

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2013 3:57 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:57:16 -0500

If you are old enough to take the Oath to serve your country and carry a weapon and be responsible for the lives and liberty of others! Why not allow an 17-20 year old have a beer. As long as they drink responsibility and up hold the UCMJ they are entitled to be treated as an adult. They have agreed to a blank check to give their life for their Country, Flag, Constitution, and protect Freedom. They have become responsible enough to handle almost any situation they may face.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2013 4:11 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Dec 2013 16:11:36 -0500

I served two tours in Vietnam starting at the age of 17. I became an 18 year old Sargent and led men in Combat. Alcohol was available, I chose not to drink and chose not to mess with the ladies of the night. My choice, only an E-5 or above could buy a bottle of Hard Liquor. I chose not to, Why! I had a responsibility to myself and my men. I did not deny them a beer as long as they were in base camp and not on duty. I had to depend on them and them on me. We never had a problem, and many died that would be to young to buy a beer today! Let them have a Beer, they may never get another choice!

Response by SSG Bryan Bailey made Dec 4 at 2013 4:14 PM

SSG Bryan Bailey — Wed, 04 Dec 2013 16:14:52 -0500

When I was an 18 year old soldier my answer would have been YES! As a 31 year old adult, my answer is no.

I used to have the same argument of "if we are old enough to fight for our country...." but here is the difference in my opinion...As a soldier you are trained every day to perform the tasks that you may eventually have to use for real in combat. So when the time comes, even if you are 18, 19 or whatever, you have been properly and professionally trained to perform the tasks asked of you. As a soldier in combat, you are also almost ALWAYS being watched by someone senior to you. Drinking however, is not a task that you have been trained to handle and at 18, 19 years old, most people do not have the maturity level needed to be responsible with alcohol. Nor are you being supervised in any way by someone who could maybe steer you in the right direction. That being said, there are plenty of older people who aren't mature enough to handle alcohol either but that is not the argument at hand.

I personally drank before I was of age, as most everyone I know did. Looking back now, we did some silly things that could have gotten us into serious trouble or hurt. Not to mention the damage we could have caused someone else...I believe that there are age restrictions on certain things in life for a reason, not just because. Sure, there are always exceptions to the rule, but for the most part, I do not think that teenagers are responsible enough to drink alcohol.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2013 11:57 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Dec 2013 23:57:59 -0500

That's a tough call SSgt Olson. I know some 30-45 yr olds who still can't handle their liquor. Being military doesn't make you responsible (not that it makes you the opposite)-it makes you a Patriot. a Defender. We can look through the ranks and see we have responsible and irresponsible military personnel of ALL ages. Even those who raised their hand at 18, weren't necessarily prepared for what they were getting into. Do they "deserve" a drink probably so, but can they handle it is two different things. Not to mention, you're just coming into the military, your sleep habits are changing, your stress level is bazonkers, and your OpTempo is erratic, adding alcohol to that mix IMO is just bad juju.

Response by SSG George Baker made Dec 6 at 2013 8:37 AM

SSG George Baker — Fri, 06 Dec 2013 08:37:39 -0500

i was 18 when i join and fought for my country. do i support it. i think in todays Militaary drinking should be controled and only on base. these young people do fight and die for us.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2013 6:49 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Dec 2013 06:49:27 -0500

Soldiers here in Italy can drink at 18. As far as I know there is no "Military drinking age" only the local drinking age, which the Military helps enforce.

The rule to drink at the bowling alley here is 18 or over and out of High School...

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2013 8:53 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:53:49 -0500

If you're old enough to die for your country, you should be old enough to drink. Right? It's not like the underage kids aren't drinking well before 21 anyway (I drank plenty before I was 21). They can buy cigarettes and get lung cancer, might as well let them get liver cancer too. Let's bring back two beer limit during lunch too!

There are people well over 21 who can't handle their alcohol and I don't see them raising the age to insurance age (25). Education is the key here, not just making it legal because people want to drink.

While we're at it... Why the concern over alcohol? Drinkers are usually the ones who go on about this (just saying). What about making Pot legal? How many times has anyone seen a news story about someone getting cancer, performing sexual assaults, killing someone in their car (DUI) or beating their spouse while high? Probably slim to none, right? Because you'd be too lazy too do something stupid. Not that I'm an advocate for it, I could care less.

Here's the deal though, we raise our right hand and say we'll abide by the UCMJ (and ALL Federal laws... so, if State law says 18 is the drinking age and Pot is legal, it's NOT for you). That being said, if you disagree with the rules, make it to the top and change them, or rethink your Military career.

Hopefully this amused someone...

- Chief Devils' Advocate

Response by PO2 Robert McNeilly made Jan 1 at 2014 7:12 PM

PO2 Robert McNeilly — Wed, 01 Jan 2014 19:12:44 -0500

Yes, unequivocally. We should consider a person a full adult with all adult choices at age 18. This is non-sense saying you can vote, enlist, get married, buy a house, work, but can't drink?

We're going in the wrong direction in treating our young people. Look at this new health care law with 26 year olds staying on their parent's plan.

We need to get back to basics and that starts at age 18.

Response by PFC Eric Minchey made Jan 2 at 2014 12:05 PM

PFC Eric Minchey — Thu, 02 Jan 2014 12:05:23 -0500

In this episode of ABC's What would you do? a couple of underage American Soldier's want alcohol. What would you do in this situation? Do you agree with then actions on those in the episode?

WWYD - Couple Of Underage American Soldiers Want Alcohol

Welcome To NW-Super Channel! *Check Out Our List Below!* We Have Archives Of Many Shows, All Full Episodes! Subscribe for Daily Uploads! Like, Share and Comm...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 12:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jan 2014 12:29:51 -0500

This question has been asked a million times and my answer will always be yes. If they think that you are responsible enough to defend your country in a foreign land and risk your life, then I think that you should also be considered responsible enough to drink.

Response by CPT Mike M. made Jan 9 at 2014 12:22 PM

CPT Mike M. — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 12:22:26 -0500

In a word, yes. As a PL and CO, when doing weekend safety briefs I didn't even mention "if you're not 21, don't drink". Instead I emphasized being smart when you're out having fun, have a plan, have a battle buddy with you and usually ended with a note along the lines of, "If you have to make a decision over the weekend on what to do or not to do that could be wrong or is in the 'gray area' of interpretation, don't forget, don't do what you can't afford." Basically laying it out there that if they do something wrong and get busted, as leaders our hands are tied and they will be good. Of all the platoons in my Company, my guys had the fewest issues and as a Tank Company CO, my Company always had the fewest (0) infractions when compared to the others. Trust people to make the right call, do the right thing, and act maturely and they'll often surprise you. If they can't do all that, then punish them. I always try to punish the individual and avoid mass punishment.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jan 9 at 2014 12:36 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 12:36:59 -0500

Given the correlation between alcohol and disciplinary issues in the military, I'm not inclined to think anyone should be drinking alcohol, regardless of age group.

Response by SFC James Baber made Jan 11 at 2014 10:13 PM

SFC James Baber — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 22:13:41 -0500

I think this is a good thread for those we are trying to get to join can see the substance of some things we discuss between us as current and former military, soft spoken as well as informational and mentoring types of postings.

We also have fun at times while remaining professional.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2014 9:45 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:45:39 -0500

People who are 18 and older should be allowed to drink.

Response by SFC James Baber made Jan 13 at 2014 9:51 PM

SFC James Baber — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:51:27 -0500

This is a repeat of a month long discussion of a thread we had a few months back, and the overall census was yes at that time as well, especially from the senior members and seasoned members of the various branches.

Response by 1SG Frank Rocha made Jan 29 at 2014 6:22 PM

1SG Frank Rocha — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:22:33 -0500

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2014 1:10 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:10:20 -0500

I will say this when I was AIT at Fort Bliss in '93 the first thing our 1SG told us was that if we are old enough to die for our country then we are old enough to drink. We had our own little club there where we could drink strictly for AIT students, even the Drill Sergeants weren't allowed in unless there was trouble. We never had any problems the entire time I was there. We all took care of each other, if we had more soldiers doing this I think we would be ok. However this is a new generation and some people just aren't that responsible so it could be a double edged sword.

Response by SPC Joe Coats made Feb 5 at 2014 1:48 PM

SPC Joe Coats — Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:48:48 -0500

Yes. If they are old enough to go into combat to defend this country they are old enough to drink.

Response by SSG Barbara Mitchell made Feb 5 at 2014 3:17 PM

SSG Barbara Mitchell — Wed, 05 Feb 2014 15:17:49 -0500

That's a good question, but I have given this some deep thoughts. Back in 1980s, when I first went into the military, I was allowed to drink at 18 years old. But, as we know that these days, the maturity level has changed a lot. Yes, they are allowed to join the military at 18 years old, and fight for their country, and yes they are going to college with students that are not much older. But, I think because of the carelessness; and lack of responsibly that our youth have for their actions; it has become too much of a risk for all of us to allow them to drink at such a early age. Even though they are going to do it any way, maybe some of them, will watch and learn, of what to do and what not to do.

Response by CW2 Geoff Lachance made Feb 5 at 2014 9:46 PM

CW2 Geoff Lachance — Wed, 05 Feb 2014 21:46:15 -0500

Well under the new "Affordable Care Act" children are now under their parents insurance until age 26. That should be the legal drinking age too!!! LOL!

Honestly, If you are 18 and willing to give your life in defense of our freedom - you are legal age.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2014 10:45 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Feb 2014 22:45:57 -0500

I lost my cousin who was 18 and coming home from college in upstate NY. I remember the letter telling of her being in a coma and the day Cheryl died, from a wreck due to a drunk driver who was well over 30. I also remember the horrific gore films from that era and trust me, I did not want to end my life behind the wheel.

Response by CSM Michael Poll made Feb 14 at 2014 6:49 PM

CSM Michael Poll — Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:49:48 -0500

If you are old enough to go to war, you should be old enough to drink a beer. Just my opinion..

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2014 6:50 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:50:39 -0500

We have lost plenty of men and women under 21 in the last 12 years. It is a travesty to look these people in the eye and tell them they are not mature enough to enjoy an "adult" beverage.

We should stop recruiting people who can go into battle with their comrades, but cannot enjoy a drink with them when it's over.

It's an embarrassing shame.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2014 1:28 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Feb 2014 01:28:42 -0500

The mentality of the American teenager these days.......<div><br></div><div>If we lower the age to 18 for service members kids would be joining for 3 years just so they could drink!!<br><div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2014 2:07 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Feb 2014 02:07:53 -0500

I'm not concerned about alcohol, just let me buy handguns from an FFL please.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 4:44 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Feb 2014 04:44:04 -0500

Ask yourself that question as a leader that have stood on the red carpet many times for Soldiers that have done some pretty childish things, endangered themselves and others. Have caused international incidents within other countries which cause higher ranking leaders to enforce mass punishments restricting every post to curfew hours because these young Soldiers feel they have the right to drink. You can tell any Soldiers till your blue in face not to drink and they still going do it, some of the answers given is admittance to that. Once we open up the flood gate of allowing young Soldiers just coming into the army to drink we will see an increase in the number of fatality death within our ranks. I rather be looking at that joker on the red carpet; then their parents at the front door explaining to them that their child has died because an alcohol related incident. But hey if you can live with it well I don't see myself sleeping at night. It always best to do the hard right over the easy wrong. If it is my decision to allow young Soldiers to drink, I would say no. Tell me when did alcohol save lives.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 6:07 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Feb 2014 06:07:18 -0500

PFC Ross McGinnis was 19 years old when he was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for throwing himself on top of a grenade, shielding the other soldiers in his HMMWV. He was a M2 gunner when a grenade was thrown through the open hatch, instead of jumping out of the hatch to safety he yelled, "grenade" and pinned it between his body and the vehicle. He should have had the right drink.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 6:42 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:42:43 -0500

Firstly, I my first duty station was Germany and I was 18 when I got there and 21 when I left. Not once did I have any adverse action and I found the bottom of a bottle every weekend. If you can't teach a Soldier responsibility with alcohol, you won't let him drink but he can have a weapon? Yeah, that makes sense. Soldiers are a reflection of their leadership.

Secondly, and most importantly, it's unconstitutional to mandate a drinking age law of 21+ when the age of majority and voting is 18. See the 9th Amendment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 5:37 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:37:12 -0500

Yes

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 3:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:32:37 -0500

I believe that soldiers 18-20 should be allowed to drink on post. They're doing it anyway. It would cut down on greatly on the UCMJ received for underage drinking. I don't think there would be any more soldiers drinking than there are right now, just less soldiers getting in trouble for drinking.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2014 4:21 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Feb 2014 04:21:23 -0500

Well again my point was and is that they are adults at 18. Otherwise they are too young to serve. And with half of college students under 21, then what do we do? Make it 23? 50?

Response by CMSgt Robert Richard made Feb 18 at 2014 2:08 PM

CMSgt Robert Richard — Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:08:58 -0500

If you are old enough to enlist, then you are old enough to drink. Most people have drank before turning 21. Most countries that we serve in, it's legal for them to drink before 21.

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Feb 18 at 2014 2:58 PM

MAJ Jim Woods — Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:58:27 -0500

I must have missed something. When I joined (age 19 in 1966) we had Enlisted Men Clubs (EM Clubs were for E-4's and below) that served 3.2% beer. We frequented the EM Club every Friday & Saturday night (after Basic Training) to drink and lie. They served anyone. They didn't ask for your ID and 99% of us were 18 or older. We just figured that the drinking age on Post was 18. And it was the same in Vietnam.

Response by SSgt Pierre Coupet made Feb 19 at 2014 1:54 PM

SSgt Pierre Coupet — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:54:39 -0500

When I joined the Air Force 41 years ago, you could drink alcohol at the age of 18. The logic then was, and should still be, if you are allowed to make a life-and-death decision--which is what each and everyone of us does when we take the oath to defend this country and put our lives at risk whenever we are called upon to do so--then we surely should be able to make our own decision about what we want to drink.

That is common sense and not something that I thought would be the subject of debate 41 years later. Instead of going forward, it seems that the "nanny state" is taking us further and further in a backward direction, to a point where we are treating our soldiers as "child soldiers."

Back then, and I still feel the same, I thought we were "men and women" ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for our nation instead of "child soldiers" in care of a "military institution babysitter."

To say "underage drinking in the military" is the equivalent of saying that our military engages in the practice of recruiting "underage children" who lack the mental capacity to make their own decision - an adult decision. It is a tacit admission that the military is "exploiting" underage children. I sure in the hell didn't feel that way then. In fact, I can even recall how "immature" and "idiotic" a lot of 24-40+ year-old soldiers were.

Just the question itself should be "insulting and humiliating" to these young men and women who wear our uniform, especially to those who have already lost their lives or limbs in battle. Out of respect for our young men and women, this should never be a subject of debate by our military and civilian leaders.

If the age issue has to do with "judgment and maturity," then I question the "judgment and maturity" of the "imbeciles and asinine leaders" who bother and dare to raise the issue in the first place. (No offense to you, personally, for bringing up the discussion on this forum. I am sure that this is only a rhetorical question on your part.)

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2014 2:57 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:57:27 -0500

This is a very slippery slope to walk on. I remember when I
can into the service we had a vending machine that dispensed beer and anyone
could walk up and "pay for a cold one". Is / was this right? The legal
age was 21 at the time and I was 19 did I do it you bet I did but the rules
were clearly stated once you bought one you were not going to leave the barracks
the CQ made sure of it. This is what I call Policing our own and it worked for
us other units didn’t fair so well but it was a leadership issue (a whole other
topic). If I had to really think about it yes
you should be able to but once you prove yourself not worthy then you are done.

Response by SPC Michael Hunt made Mar 24 at 2014 9:31 AM

SPC Michael Hunt — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:31:18 -0400

Absolutely negatory, nope, nada, no sir... that's a negative.

Response by SPC Charles Brown made Mar 24 at 2014 2:35 PM

SPC Charles Brown — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:35:47 -0400

At the risk of pissing some people off and making other dance in drunken joy, it has long been my opinion that if someone is willing to sign the papers, raise their right hands, take the oath of office and serve their country; I believe that yes they should be able to drink. They are willing if need be to lay down their lives for their country they should be able to drink, albeit in moderation.

Response by TSgt Kevin Buccola made Mar 24 at 2014 2:36 PM

TSgt Kevin Buccola — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:36:23 -0400

The age old answer is simple - if you are old enough to die for your country then you should be able to have a beer.

But in reality people - young and old need to know how to drink in moderation and be responsible.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2014 11:44 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 23:44:04 -0400

I think if they do like overseas at some of the deployed bases (there was a 1-2 beer limit each day only at the designated location) that would keep a lot of the issues at bay and then they could still have a drink if they decided to off duty.

The biggest problem comes when the drinking is unsupervised and there are no limits. Some people can drink and have no issues while other should never even start to drink due to the type of character they become.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Mar 27 at 2014 6:17 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Thu, 27 Mar 2014 18:17:22 -0400

This Argument has gone back and forth forever but still a very valid one. I am part of the Old School if you are old enough to die for your country you are old enough to drink. I know that youngsters well into their 20's don't drink reponsibly Hell old people do that sometimes too but I am the Grandson of a Beergarten Anti-Prohibitionist Operator. In my German Catholic Heritage we start drinking at very young age.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2014 6:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Mar 2014 18:40:22 -0400

If they can sign a contract to serve the United States they should absolutely be able to enjoy a few drinks when they want. I know I did as a 18 year old Private.
I actually refuse to push UCMJ action for minor infractions like Soldiers getting caught drinking under age.

Response by SSgt James Guy made Mar 29 at 2014 12:39 AM

SSgt James Guy — Sat, 29 Mar 2014 00:39:43 -0400

I joined the Air Force at 19. Legally I was not allowed to drink or vote. I spent 2 years in Japan and then headed for Vietnam. By that time I could vote and legally drink.

In Texas at Sheppard AFB,I could buy a beer on base without ID. I was never carded in the Airman's club in Japan but the dependents were. In Nam we were issued a ration card but could drink without a ration card in the Airman's and then NCO club after it was built.

I do believe that if you can fight and die, you should be able to drink and vote.

Response by COL George Antochy made Mar 29 at 2014 10:19 AM

COL George Antochy — Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:19:01 -0400

Anyone remember back in early 1983 the CoS message re: de-glamorization of alcohol message. No more doubles at O Clubs. I was in Korea where soda, beer and liquor were rationed. You were authorized 8 case of beer and 4 case of soda a month. I don't recall the amount of liquor authorized. I also remember showing up for Airborne School in 1978 and there was beer vending machines in the Day Room. I'm okay with allowing all members to drink responsibly while on military installations, but off-installation should abide by local laws.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2014 5:04 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Mar 2014 17:04:57 -0400

As a company commander, the majority of all misconduct I deal with is alcohol related. That being said, I absolutely believe in personal responsibility. As long as nco's and officers are personally invested in their soldiers lives, I say lower the drinking age on post to 18. I agree, if you are old enough to die for your country, you should be able to share an ale with your brothers and sisters.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2014 5:11 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Mar 2014 17:11:07 -0400

Overwhelmingly most here agree with the age being 18. Why then is the legal age still at 21? This has become a nanny state and this is about control. You would figure that especially veterans have made the sacrifice equal to the risk of being an adult.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2014 6:10 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:10:13 -0400

I personally don't like the idea as maturity is definitely not at its capacity at 18.

My parents have both talked of Okinawa and the ability to drink at whatever age on base. (Back the 70s that is)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2014 2:57 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:57:55 -0400

Personally I think that the drinking age should be lowered for military personnel. If you are old enough to die for your country, vote, legally marry, receive the death penalty, buy and own firearms, or smoke, you should be allowed to drink a beer.

If we look at other countries, like Germany, the drinking age is 16 for beer and 18 for hard liquor. These countries have much lower averages for DUIs, underage drinking, and alcohol related deaths. They have also have a higher age for getting a drivers license (17 for a learners permit). So if you look at it, the young people in Europe learn their tolerance for alcohol long before they ever get in a car. There are also higher penalties for driving offences and the cost to get a license is much, much higher. American teenagers have a tendency to drive too fast. Now we take into account five years driving experience, over confidence, and the fact that a 21 year old, sometimes, is little more then a large child. Add beer. Granted there are responsible 13 year olds who would be able to handle driving, beer, and even raising a family (I am not saying they should, just that they are there) so there are both sides of the spectrum.

Now imagine that you are a responsible parent, loving and protective. You decide that as a parent, your child can have a beer or perhaps a glass of wine with dinner at 18. If the government, IE. police, show up to your door you could go to prison for giving an adult alcohol. Does that make sense to anyone? It does not.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2014 2:36 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Apr 2014 02:36:03 -0400

Because of how many alcohol related incidents happen in the Military, I would have to say no. Younger is less mature. You should be spending your time thinking about other things to do instead of why I am not able to drink something.

Response by SSgt James Stanley made Apr 3 at 2014 1:31 PM

SSgt James Stanley — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 13:31:19 -0400

In my opinion, if 18 year olds are old enough to fight and die in wartime they are old enough to drink on base. I'm not saying they can do it off base, but in the club on base.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2014 7:47 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Apr 2014 07:47:05 -0400

I don't know if any one has said this, but I don't even question my friends age when we are drinking. I don't want to know if they are underage for two reasons,

1. I can then honestly tell a court, "No I didn't knowingly serve alcohol to a minor".
2. I really don't care. If they wear the uniform they are old enough for me.

When I first joined at the age of 19, I was given a drink by a family friend. He simply said, "Hey if you are old enough to die for the ideology of our Country, you are old enough to have a damn drink."

Response by PO2 Rocky Kleeger made Apr 22 at 2014 8:06 AM

PO2 Rocky Kleeger — Tue, 22 Apr 2014 08:06:31 -0400

Yes. If you're old enough to fight, and die, for your country, you're old enough to have a beer

Response by SSgt James Guy made Apr 23 at 2014 12:18 AM

SSgt James Guy — Wed, 23 Apr 2014 00:18:29 -0400

That was the day I arrived home from the Nam in October 69 (my 23rd birthday) Had been gone for 3 years (Japan and Nam)

Response by SSG Jeffrey Spencer made Apr 23 at 2014 6:57 PM

SSG Jeffrey Spencer — Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:57:29 -0400

If you're old enough to put your life on the line, you should be old enough to have a beer. Given that, you are also old enough to be responsible for your actions.

Response by LT Joseph Jones made Apr 25 at 2014 9:09 AM

LT Joseph Jones — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:09:12 -0400

When I was enlisted in 1992 my base in San Diego allowed enlisted personnel below 21 to drink beer and wine coolers. they said it was done to keep us out of Tijuana. I thought it was a great idea. This way the base could have some control over the underage drinkers. Still ended up in TJ though.

Response by PO1 Dana Pierson made Apr 25 at 2014 1:04 PM

PO1 Dana Pierson — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 13:04:40 -0400

The first time or two that you drink, you are going to screw up. Maybe what needs to be taught along with drinking responsibly, is that the first time or three you should plan to lost control, make sure you have friends who can keep you in line. That way they can understand the power alcohol has and learn to find their limits in a safe environment. Don't preach no drinking or the full dangers of alcohol. All their friends drink so it can't be too bad! Teach them to understand there is a limit and they will cross that line before they figure it out. That's the knowledge they need to know. Doesn't matter if 18 or 23.

Response by PO2 Rocky Kleeger made May 4 at 2014 8:56 PM

PO2 Rocky Kleeger — Sun, 04 May 2014 20:56:01 -0400

ANYONE that comes to my house and has a military ID card, 21 or not, gets a beer. If you're old enough to protect and serve our county, you should be old enough to have a beer. It was like that when I first came in and it should be like that now.

Response by 1SG David Niles made May 9 at 2014 8:47 PM

1SG David Niles — Fri, 09 May 2014 20:47:51 -0400

simple response; Yup, I spent my time from 18 to 20 in Germany, never was in trouble and had a hell of a time. Was a time that you could drink on base, then they said you had to obey the laws of the state you are in. If you can die, you can drink.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2014 9:16 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 May 2014 21:16:23 -0400

One of the things that truly bother me is that we are treating young adults as kids. To the point where they believe it. So, along with drinking and other adult ventures we are telling them that we want to baby them. That mistakes are not going to happen and that Campus Police are nothing more than babysitters with badges and they intend to use that authority.

Response by TSgt Jaclyn Brittain made May 10 at 2014 12:21 PM

TSgt Jaclyn Brittain — Sat, 10 May 2014 12:21:04 -0400

I think H E to the double L yeah. Sorry about the language but it what it is. The only time I wouldn't agree is on a deployed location as there should be a limit to if something may occur.

Response by SGT Alfred Cox made May 28 at 2014 3:54 AM

SGT Alfred Cox — Wed, 28 May 2014 03:54:10 -0400

Law says 21... Nuff said... may as well ask if Soldiers be allowed to smoke weed in washington state since its legal...

Response by SA Harold Hansmann made Jul 7 at 2014 10:15 AM

SA Harold Hansmann — Mon, 07 Jul 2014 10:15:37 -0400

If you are old enough to die for god and country then damn straight you should be allowed to have a couple beers at the NCO Club.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Aug 9 at 2014 4:46 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Sat, 09 Aug 2014 16:46:27 -0400

It was 18 in Germany. The guys then went back stateside and kept getting in trouble for underage drinking. I've seen 17 year olds waiting to turn 18 to cross the berm and fight for their country. I've seen CSM's with 20+ years get DUIs. Seek responsibility and take responsibility for your actions comes to mind.

Response by 1SG Jacob Baty made Dec 12 at 2014 5:25 PM

1SG Jacob Baty — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 17:25:32 -0500

As a former 1sg and having had many a weekend ruined and spending countless hours at ASAP meeting with counsellors because only a 1sg or CO can take the soldier. (Why I have no damn idea) I cannot believe I am actually saying yes. They are going to do it anyway. Kind of like General order one in Iraq. "No sex allowed" well they lifted it after the 100th ART 15. So why not do the same with drinking?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2014 5:36 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 17:36:32 -0500

I think our society get amped up over stupid stuff. I understand how staff may have to deal with a lot of garbage but still MADD drove this up to 21 and while well-intentioned it is not right.

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made Dec 12 at 2014 7:12 PM

1SG Frank Boynton — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:12:53 -0500

This was hotly contested during and right after the Vietnam war, and in fact the law was changed to allow 18 year olds to drink. But our politicians - fearful of losing control - were instrumental in changing the law back. My take on it - I lived over 12 years of my life in Japan and Germany. In Germany there is no restrictions on drinking. As a matter of fact Bier is their national drink. If you're big enough to put your money on the table you're old enough to drink a bier. And guess what, it's not abused nearly as much as it is here in America. Drinking responsibly is taught. It's the same about sex in this country. We are pretty prudish about it, but in Germany sex isn't something they hid in the dark behind closed doors. Our culture is about controlling our youth, instead of letting them explore and make decisions for themselves.

Response by TSgt Jackie Jones made Dec 13 at 2014 1:31 PM

TSgt Jackie Jones — Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:31:42 -0500

My first duty station was in the UK. Drinking age there is 18. I was 19 and learned earlier than others stateside how to party and not party. I stayed out of trouble. Most did. Some, did not. I think those individuals would have messed up sooner or later, with or without the alcohol. Don't drink and drive. Don't show for duty intoxicated. If you don't have enough sense to follow some safety guidelines, maybe you shouldn't be serving?!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2014 3:47 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:47:47 -0500

PO2 Ed C. What do you feel about this topic? Id I believe correctly the rules are less strict in the Philippines.

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Dec 14 at 2014 9:42 PM

CMSgt James Nolan — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 21:42:16 -0500

Notwithstanding the societal question.....

Yes, if you are in the military, you should be able to have a drink. If you are old enough to bleed for your Nation, you can have a beer.

That is my own opinion, not supported by any command..................

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2014 9:50 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 21:50:57 -0500

One of the problems is that the country has made things taboo. Prohibition lead to the rise of pin-striped gangs and bootlegging. When you make things taboo yet glorify with unrealistic advertisements, it contributes to binge drinking.

For those of us that have lived in Europe and Asia, it's apples and elephants how booze is looked upon. Here in Japan I can go down to the street corner and get a beer out of a vending machine, yet I don't hear about teens abusing it. In Germany, Italy, and other parts of Europe a glass of beer or wine is petty normal with your meal.

If you get them exposed earlier and learn the history and contribution of spirits have had on civilization, perhaps there will be less ER visits and more responsible drinkers.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2014 10:22 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:22:09 -0500

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I think if you can wear the uniform and take the oath to serve and possibly die for your country, you should be able to drink a damn beer!

Response by SSgt Robert Clark made Dec 14 at 2014 11:10 PM

SSgt Robert Clark — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:10:11 -0500

This may be a little cliche, but if you are old enough to die for your country then you are old enough to have a beer with your fellow soldiers/sailors/airmen or marines.
Our government expects our young men and women to make life and death decisions before they turn 21, they sure as hell should be able to handle drinking a beer after a long day/week/month/year of sometimes miserable conditions.
Those who are going to be stupid and irresponsible are going to be such no matter what age they are.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 12:02 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 00:02:15 -0500

I feel that if you are old to fight and die for your country then you should be able to have a drink. My only caveat is that you may only drink while on a military reservation or while at an official event (military ball, dining inn) and should be consumed responsibly

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Dec 15 at 2014 12:48 AM

SSG Tim Everett — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 00:48:22 -0500

I'm going to say yes, because I've been to places where it's legal for 18yr olds to drink. In fact I've been to a place where it's legal for an 18yr old American to drink -- Ft. Huachuca AZ (on-post only). And I cannot ever recall any incidents with 18yr olds abusing the privilege.

Response by SGT Patrick Abrams made Dec 15 at 2014 6:39 AM

SGT Patrick Abrams — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:39:31 -0500

If you can die for your country then you should be able to drink. I had a 1sgt with the same thought. His rule was if you were under 21 and drank, keep your happy ass in the barracks and don't get the MPs called.

Response by Sgt Robert Kelly made Dec 15 at 2014 7:05 AM

Sgt Robert Kelly — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 07:05:38 -0500

When I joined in 1978, 18 years olds could drink beer only in the E-clubs on base. So I
say bring it back they deserve it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 7:52 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 07:52:07 -0500

Before I joined the Army, I was an automotive technician. The people I worked with were over 21 and I was not. I did drink with them, but was still able to be responsible. I joined the military when I was 21 and was stationed in Germany. The drinking age at that time was 16, so Soldiers coming there were legally able to drink even if they were under 21. Whether they were 18 or 21, some Soldiers could handle the responsibilities with drinking while others could not. I feel that if they are able to do everything else in life, why not be able to drink. Society has to be willing to accept the risk and the individuals have to be willing to accept the consequences for abusing the right to drink at that age.

Response by CPO Ed Ball made Dec 15 at 2014 11:23 AM

CPO Ed Ball — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:23:07 -0500

All I can say is I'm old Navy, meaning you worked hard, and you were expected to play hard. Remember the days of EM clubs serving 3.2% beer by the picture full stateside when I first joined. But quickly found overseas you only needed to see over the top of the bar to order your drinks and % of alcohol was not regulated by manufactures. Needless to say 17 years out of 20yrs 8 months I spent overseas.

But towards the end, blackouts became frequent with boilermakers, so I gave it up, and became a social drinker, 2 beers and I head for the house and surprisingly don't drink at home, except on special occasions.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 4:03 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:03:11 -0500

When I joined the Marines, you could consume beer at the eclub at 18. I don't know when that changed.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 5:19 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:19:51 -0500

If you are able to go to war and fight for your country in combat you should be able to drink

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 5:32 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:32:13 -0500

I had a CSM tell me (well my battalion formation) once that he never understood why individuals would want to not be in control of their faculties at all times. He said some other stuff but as a young buck I was just rolling my eyes.

I look back at his words of wisdom and I ask myself why didn't I listen, truly listen to those words?

The answer was simple....my NCOs thought that drinking was cool and as a young impressionable young man, I was taught that it was cool by watching their example. Ultimately, it was my choice to emulate their behavior and those were poor choices of mine.

Alcohol is poison, plain and simple; even when consumed responsibly.

If I was still in the Army...Do I think that 18 year-olds should be allowed to drink? Personally it is none of my business....unless the Orders and Regulations make it my business to enforce their restrictions.

At the same time, you will not catch me consuming alcohol, therefore my soldiers would not learn or become pressured to consume alcohol from my actions. As a leader, I would ensure that my subordinates had enough responsibilities that would focus them on their own betterment, professionally and personally.

Anyway, I could go on all day explaining the Army Way of life, that others seem not to truly understand...those that think the army is just a job....if I have to explain it, you will never understand...and those that do, you know exactly where I am coming from.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 5:51 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:51:56 -0500

I feel that law will be rescinded and very soon. I am 58 so it doesn't affect me, but I angry that adult's rights are infringed upon.

Response by SSgt David OGrady made Dec 15 at 2014 6:53 PM

SSgt David OGrady — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:53:41 -0500

This is a hard question. I agree that if you can die, you should be able to drink. When I joined we had beer machines in the barracks. If 18 year olds can drink then we could have individuals drinking in high school. I know that happens anyways but it could cause a bigger issue, If they joined the military, I think they should be able to drink on base only.

Response by Cpl Dennis F. made Dec 15 at 2014 10:47 PM

Cpl Dennis F. — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:47:40 -0500

During most of my pre-combat stateside duty I was 17/18. I could drink on base in the EM clubs, but could not drink off base. It's my opinion that if you are considered mature enough to risk your life, you should be allowed to drink with a military ID. My biggest piss off on returning from RVN was being refused sale of a pack of cigarettes (State law in Fla. was 21). That convenience store clerk was read the riot act. I was less than two weeks out of the paddies and in no mood for civilian BS.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Dec 16 at 2014 11:34 AM

SPC David Hannaman — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:34:31 -0500

I've never heard of not being allowed stopping anyone... might push them toward drugs since they're more available, but even in Basic Training I knew a kid that drank every night.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2014 11:58 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:58:03 -0500

http://drinkingage.procon.org/

Here is an article talking about the pros and cons.

Drinking Age ProCon.org

Should the drinking age be lowered from 21 to a younger age?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2014 12:50 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:50:40 -0500

Yes, absolutely. If you're old enough to die for your country, you should be allowed to drink.

With that said, only those who have answered the call to serve should be allowed to drink at 18.

Response by SGT Scott Huber made Dec 18 at 2014 10:21 PM

SGT Scott Huber — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:21:47 -0500

They actually are at some CONUS posts like Huachuca, where the mexican border was so close that the post allowed underage drinking to keep the underaged out of mexico

Response by SN Michael Potts made Dec 18 at 2014 10:40 PM

SN Michael Potts — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:40:47 -0500

I feel that 21 is reasonable for non-military, but if your old enough to die for this country, then the person should be able to drink. Most 18-20 year old military members are going to live on base any how, so let them drink at clubs on base, and let them buy alcohol at the BX and at the Commissaries.

Response by PO1 Luke Straw made Dec 19 at 2014 9:34 AM

PO1 Luke Straw — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:34:19 -0500

Over the course of my career I have seen many careers of friends and shipmates ended and/or "halted in place" because of alcohol. I can honestly say that I do not remember a single one of them being an individual under 21 years old. I don't think the issue is age. It is simply a maturity issue. Some people will get in trouble and some will not. Is it going to happen? Yes, it is. Can we stop it? No, we can not. Even during prohibition, people got alcohol. I think if we stop "mystifying" it and use education as the tool of choice, we will have a much better success rate with the young as well as the older kids among us. If you are old enough to die for your country, you should be old enough to do ANYTHING for your country or in your country. I joined at 17 years old. Not able to vote but able to die for the people I did not vote for.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2014 7:29 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:29:47 -0500

I believe so, military or not. Hell, I think 16 should be legal with parents consent. Maybe if we didn't hold it back and instead taught them to drink responsibly from an earlier age we could avoid some of the ARIs and DWIs we seem to be plagued with.

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2014 7:40 PM

CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:40:11 -0500

I'm a non-drinker. I actually, despise alcohol. I've seen it ruin too many lives and alcoholism runs in my family. That being said, I'm also slightly libertarian. If you want to partake, you're a braver person than I am and I think you should be able to. Why? Freedom.

Here are my thoughts on lowering the drinking age to 18.

IMO, a person is either an adult at 18 or an adult at 21.

Everything should be at 18 or 21.

I'd be for raising the service age, voting age, etc. to 21, but I don't see that happening.

Therefore, everything should be lowered to 18. If you can die for your country, drive an Abrams tank, and live in some hell-hole for a year, you should be able to drink a beer when you get back home.

While we're on it...you should also be able to purchase a handgun at 18 as well. The military is highly trained with firearms--a soldier who can carry grenades and a rifle and pistol on duty, should be able to carry one all the time, off-duty as well.

To quote O Brother Where Art Thou, "That don't make no sense."

I'm not only for a military exemption to the rules, but would like to see everyone be fully a legal adult at the age of 18. If there are valid arguments for making the "adult age" 21, then make the thing 21. But a person isn't mostly an adult at one age and fully one at the other. You either are, or you aren't.

Response by SPC Billy Turner made Dec 19 at 2014 7:41 PM

SPC Billy Turner — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:41:34 -0500

Yes, if they are serving in the military

Response by Cpl George Goodwin made Dec 20 at 2014 8:29 AM

Cpl George Goodwin — Sat, 20 Dec 2014 08:29:51 -0500

When I was 18 they moved the drinking age in NY to 19. Then when I was 20 1/2 I lost the privilege for 6 months. I Understand the 19 year old limit as it helps keep alcohol away from High School kids but I don't think it should ever have gone up to 21.

Response by SSG Chris Castillo made Dec 20 at 2014 12:13 PM

SSG Chris Castillo — Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:13:00 -0500

Absolutely they should. I will echo everyone else's response when I say if you're old enough to die for your country than you're old enough to have a beer. I wrote a paper about this same argument and I believe that the 18yo in the military is much more mature than the demographic of an 18yo in college. If I can trust him with a weapon and my life than I can trust him with a drink.

Response by PO1 Jotham Anderson made Dec 20 at 2014 1:38 PM

PO1 Jotham Anderson — Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:38:29 -0500

Anybody that is old enough to serve their country is old enough to have a beer.

Response by PO1 Lisa Kirk made Dec 20 at 2014 2:02 PM

PO1 Lisa Kirk — Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:02:44 -0500

If one is old enough to serve and protect and also die for their country, then yes they should be allowed to drink.

Response by SMSgt Judy Hickman made Dec 20 at 2014 3:22 PM

SMSgt Judy Hickman — Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:22:09 -0500

If you are old enough to die for your country, you are old enough to have a drink.

Just my two cents, but there are plenty of people over the age of 21 acting stupid, getting DUIs etc. Age is just a number and there are plenty of 18-20 years olds that can make smart decisions about alcohol, just like there are plenty of 21+ year olds that can't.

Response by SFC Sfc R made Dec 25 at 2014 12:08 PM

SFC Sfc R — Thu, 25 Dec 2014 12:08:06 -0500

Yes allowed to drink, if they can die...give them a beer

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Jan 4 at 2015 11:26 AM

SGT Michael Glenn — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 11:26:31 -0500

I think they should they are able to die for their country so why not have a round on the country???

Response by SPC Stephanie Oanes made Jan 4 at 2015 1:13 PM

SPC Stephanie Oanes — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 13:13:24 -0500

This shouldn't even be a question! YES! They signed up to defend our country so why not be allowed to drink? Actually the legal drinking age should be lowered to 18 anyway. At 18 you're old enough to be given the death penalty, enlist into the service- go to combat, spend life in prison, buy cigarettes, etc. But I firmly believe if you're old enough to die for your country, you're old enough to drink.

Response by SFC Charles E Hightower made Jan 5 at 2015 8:38 PM

SFC Charles E Hightower — Mon, 05 Jan 2015 20:38:39 -0500

If you can service in US Military and death at 18, vote at 18 than should drink at 18. I did went Viet 18, vote at 18 and drink at 18. Jun 1970

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 1:10 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Jan 2015 01:10:05 -0500

When I lived in Colorado, I had just turned 18, and Colorado state allowed 18-20 years old drink....3.2 beer...

Response by SSG William Patton made Jan 6 at 2015 11:25 AM

SSG William Patton — Tue, 06 Jan 2015 11:25:10 -0500

When I joined the military the drinking age was determined by the minimum age of each state for the consumption of hard liquor. My home state of Louisiana was one of those states. Many states, like Kansas sold 3.2 beer to those under 21 and hard liquor was controlled in state run stores. The Army had a reg that stated you must be 21 or E-6 to consume hard liquor, but again, if the state you enlisted in had a minimum age of 18 you could purchase and consume hard liquor. I never learned of that reg until I was 21 and a civilian again. That rule was strictly enforced in Vietnam, but most who worked checkout at the PX or BX were unaware of the rule involving state enlistment and forbid all unter 21, except E-6s. Those who drank hard liquor would have to barter something on their ration card with someone who did not drink, who was also over 21, to get them to purchase a bottle for you. Having said all that, if an 18 year old is old enough to go in harm's way, they are old enough to purchase alcohol of any type. When I enlisted, I was not old enough to vote and I was 18.

Response by PO1 Aaron Baltosser made Jan 6 at 2015 1:11 PM

PO1 Aaron Baltosser — Tue, 06 Jan 2015 13:11:55 -0500

Absolutely not. How many 18-20 year old active duty have gone to office hours, or masr because the got dumb, then drunk? As a blanket policy allowing folks with little or no common sense/ planning skills to add alcohol to the mix never results in a career enhancing event. Many studies done show common sense things attaching consequences to actions does not happen until approximately the age of 25. Young folks might not like it, but being restricted has helped many to stay alive long enough to make better decisions.

Response by Sgt Michael Selbach made Jan 7 at 2015 7:25 PM

Sgt Michael Selbach — Wed, 07 Jan 2015 19:25:39 -0500

Yes

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 9:48 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:48:36 -0500

Hell yeah, I was able to...look at me now, I am a chiropractor. This is what drinking does to you. LOL

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 10:04 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 22:04:36 -0500

Yes. I think they should be allowed but only at the nco club. They shouldn't be able to purchase it at the class 6 or be able to drink on the town. But in a safe monitored setting, yes. I don't think there should be booze in the barracks to minors. 18 year olds to me are like children. I

Response by MSG Scott McBride made Feb 18 at 2015 11:07 AM

MSG Scott McBride — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:07:48 -0500

This topic is a double edged sword for commanders. If you can fight and die for your country you should be able to enjoy a beer? Right? Drinking on post only for those under 21 has been on again off again for years. You have a mass majority of Soldiers who will do the right thing and drink responsibly. In the other hand, we are Soldiers, we work hard therefore we play hard. Mass punishment doesn't work, but a message of intolerance for those who cross the line must be made.

Response by SPC Nicholas V. made Dec 29 at 2016 1:35 PM

SPC Nicholas V. — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:35:49 -0500

Sure, let everyone in the military have a drink or 2 on base. Also, lets limit everyone in the military to a drink or 2.

Response by CSM Clifford Fargason made Dec 29 at 2016 2:28 PM

CSM Clifford Fargason — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:28:11 -0500

When I enlisted in 1972 you were allowed to drink on post with a military ID. I remember when our platoon in basic had done well at something so the Drill Sergeant marched us to the little PX, we filed in through the entrance, picked up a beer and filed out. First and last time I ever drank beer in formation.

Response by SPC John Decker made Dec 29 at 2016 4:07 PM

SPC John Decker — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:07:50 -0500

They changed the rules after I got out. We were allowed to drink on base, regardless of age. In my opinion, there should be one age that indicates adulthood. At some point we must, as individuals, accept responsibility for our own actions.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Dec 29 at 2016 4:29 PM

TSgt Tommy Amparano — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:29:23 -0500

No, keep it at 21. It is closer to 25 when their brains are fully developed.

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2016 5:49 PM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:49:38 -0500

Anyone bring up the neurological affects of underage drinking yet?

Response by CPL Mark Andersen made Dec 29 at 2016 6:51 PM

CPL Mark Andersen — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 18:51:04 -0500

Old enough to fight and die for your country, old enough to have a beer.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Dec 29 at 2016 7:02 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:02:31 -0500

it's a proven fact that men mature much later than women do and so the legal drinking age should be 47 years of age.

Response by TSgt Denise Moody made Dec 29 at 2016 10:28 PM

TSgt Denise Moody — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:28:41 -0500

Yes. Hell yes. Once upon a time they could. Under 21 could drink 3.2 beer on base. Frankly 18 and older should be able to buy and drink in public whether in the military or not. This whole over 21 is BS. Kids who are taught how to drink by their parents at a younger age tend to not have drinking problems. They are certainly less likely to go on drinking binges. That forbidden fruit thing is the problem. Yep, speaking from experience ;)

Response by SPC John O'Brien III made Dec 29 at 2016 11:26 PM

SPC John O'Brien III — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:26:22 -0500

you're either an adult, or your aren't.

18, 21..... it's bullshit....

(hell.... show me a bar off post that WON'T serve an 18-20 y.o., i never found one...)

Response by PV2 Doug Wotton made Dec 30 at 2016 5:12 AM

PV2 Doug Wotton — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 05:12:54 -0500

if you old enough to fight and defend this nation you can drink on post any where there is drink sold on post .

Response by SGT Michael McMahon made Jan 5 at 2017 12:59 PM

SGT Michael McMahon — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 12:59:47 -0500

Simply put, either the drinking age needs to be dropped to 18, or the enlistment age for the military needs to be raised to 21. It is had to say that it is ok to die, as an adult, for your nation, but not to enjoy alcoholic beverages, like an adult!

Response by CDR Richard Tucker made Jan 5 at 2017 8:54 PM

CDR Richard Tucker — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 20:54:34 -0500

OK, So I grew up in an age that the law was 18. Yes I am showing my age. Nevertheless, If our men and woman are responsible enough to fight and die for their country at the ripe old age of 18, then by all means, they should be able to drink. We are allowing them the responsibility to be leaders, We are giving them roles to guide others. Hell Yes! Otherwise we are saying we trust you to protect us, but not have a drink. Common Sense Please!

Response by MSgt Neil Greenfield made Jan 18 at 2018 6:51 PM

MSgt Neil Greenfield — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:51:51 -0500

Yes.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Dec 2 at 2019 6:50 AM

SFC Christopher Taggart — Mon, 02 Dec 2019 06:50:39 -0500

Oh brother! This argument, 'if he's old enough to go to war, he's old enough to drink,' has been going around the internet for years. A kid is going to drink alcohol, no matter what his/her parents say, because "everyone does it." If you're 21 or older, DON'T buy an "underage minor" anything, no matter how much he begs you, because the "hammer" will fall on you...that drunk kid will only sleep it off. For those of us that are older, let's look in the mirror of ourselves...BEER makes you fat! Do you really want to be a fat-boy or girl and spend the rest of your life trying to get that blubber off? After I quit drinking ten years ago, I saw an immediate five pound weigh loss...I'm now at the weight I was in the early 2000s...I still have a high BMI, at least I think so. Cheers!

Response by SSgt Steve Lofquist made May 15 at 2022 1:04 PM

SSgt Steve Lofquist — Sun, 15 May 2022 13:04:32 -0400

YES