Should a Sexual Assault conviction be a career ender?

2016-01-26T21:23:37-05:00

If a Leader is convicted of sexual assault, should this 'Leader' be chaptered? Can this 'Leader' effectively lead their section/units?

Clarification note: Sexual assault is any type of forced or coerced sexual contact or behavior that happens without consent. Sexual assault includes rape and attempted rape, child molestation, and sexual harassment or threats.

Response by SFC Dennis Pettitt made Jan 26 at 2016 9:33 PM

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How can this even be a real question? What wildly odd set of circumstances would anyone even entertain the thought that a "leader" who has committed a sexual assault could be kept in a leadership position (and not in confinement?)?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 9:35 PM

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Yes, period.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 9:35 PM

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Without question, yes!!!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 26 at 2016 9:50 PM

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Hurting a buddy is a horrible crime in my book.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 9:54 PM

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Yes depending on what happened that soldier should get some jail time. There is very little reason to keep someone in after a conviction like this. Well unless you count a long term assignment at Fort Leavenworth as staying in.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 9:54 PM

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Sexual assault is serious business. Absolutely, it should be a career ender.

Response by CPL Brendan Hayes made Jan 26 at 2016 9:55 PM

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Career over and prosecuted to the fullest extent allowed in the UCMJ.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 10:03 PM

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SGM Matthew Quick ,

I'm surprised this question was even asked. Are there situations where this is not a career ender?

Response by SFC Jason Babb made Jan 26 at 2016 10:20 PM

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Absolutely.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Jan 26 at 2016 10:22 PM

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No discussion needed. You violate another person, you get drummed right out AFTER you serve some time making little rocks out of big rocks...

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 10:22 PM

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Clarification Note: I am a retired law enforcement officer who taught Statutory Law at four different police academies in Missouri. Statutory Law varies from state to state. But, I hasten to point out that the definition of Sexual Assault, provided by the good Sergeant Major, is far from a fully accurate compilation of the entire gamut of state felony and misdemeanor crimes that fall under the general heading of Sexual Assault.

I only voted No due to the fact that Sexual Assault crimes, depending upon the state, vary dramatically from the felony charge of Forcible Rape (an FBI Part I crime) to a Class D Misdemeanor for Inadvertent Sexual Touching. The point is something accidental, but falling within the definition of a crime in many states, could require a military member, upon conviction, to register with the local county sheriff as a Registered Sexual Offender...for at least ten years, only one post-conviction obligation among many other potential statutory requirements. Most sexual assaults we read about today are egregious crimes, and there are serious penalties for committing them, and rightfully so. But condemning a young Private to a Dishonorable Discharge or BCD for (literally) accidentally "mooning" a sixteen-year-old girl who happens to drive by his front porch at the wrong time is highly unfair.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 10:31 PM

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Absolutely. However, let's make sure the accused has actually committed the offense before we show him/her the door.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 10:34 PM

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No question. Anyone who commits this offense is a disgrace to the service. The thought of them wearing the same uniform I wear makes me crazy.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 10:39 PM

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With so many complaints.YEs

Response by SN Greg Wright made Jan 26 at 2016 11:04 PM

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SGM Matthew Quick Honestly, I'm surprised someone so senior would ask this, as it seems an unequivocal yes. So I have to think you're just fostering conversation. Which, there's nothing wrong with doing so.

Response by SSG Leo Bell made Jan 26 at 2016 11:08 PM

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I think it should be a career ender. It looks bad on the person who committed it. I don't think the soldiers the are under the command can't look up to them and I know I couldn't look up to them. I also think that they should be dealt with thru military channels and a court marshal and when there done with that they need to face cilivian courts for it. I know the law says you can't face double jeopardy but military is different from cilivian justice.
We have had many of our leaders come up on sexual harassment or rape and have gotten away with it. They were able to retire with full benefits and the women who had it done to them and reported it didn't get fair justice. The ones who were brought up on charges work good jobs and you never her about the females who had it done to them.

Response by SPC Robert Smart made Jan 26 at 2016 11:08 PM

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Yes.

Response by SCPO Joshua I made Jan 26 at 2016 11:13 PM

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Considering the UCMJ as recently amended requires a dishonorable discharge for a conviction of sexual assault, I fail to see how it can even be a question.

Response by SFC William Farrell made Jan 27 at 2016 12:04 AM

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Upon conviction, it should not only be a career ender, it should also result in jail time. We live in a sck work where Sexual Abuse Prevention Coordinators are being charged with sex related crimes, where Commanders have the authority to sweep it under the carpet when they feel like it, the good ole boy network. Commanders should lose the authority to deal with certain crimes SGM Matthew Quick

Response by SPC Tanya Cummings Boozer made Jan 27 at 2016 1:37 AM

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SGM Quick, I agree with many here who are wondering why this is even a question. Such behavior should never be tolerated and the offender should not only be chaptered out but receive appropriate jail time as well.
Furthermore, these cases should be taken out of the chain of command completely, which is something we have been trying to get done for a few years now, as too many have been swept under the rug and too many lives ruined!

Response by SrA Matthew Knight made Jan 27 at 2016 3:33 AM

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Assuming the person has been found guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, yes. Crimes such as rape or sexual assault and their perpetrators have no place in our military. I would go so far as to say anyone found guilty should be demoted to E1 and either be immediately discharged or of course be sent to prison and be immediately discharged upon release. Forfeiture of all pay, allowances and benefits as well. Basically if you commit a crime like that you lose everything the military has provided you.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jan 27 at 2016 6:19 AM

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Of course.

Response by PO3 David Fries made Jan 27 at 2016 6:25 AM

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Not just yes, but hell yes. Even a sexual assault charge is bad enough, but a conviction?

Response by SN E Robinson made Jan 27 at 2016 6:53 AM

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There is not excuse for or overlooking sexual assault the person should be prosecuted and jailed period.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Jan 27 at 2016 7:58 AM

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SGM Matthew Quick I was a civilian Special Agent with US Army CID and a Subject Matter Expert in special victims investigations, and IMHO not only should it be a career ender but incarceration must be included in most convictions and for all felony convictions of Article 120 UCMJ.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Jan 27 at 2016 8:30 AM

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If they are CONVICTED as a sexual offender...by all means. No place in our ranks for CONVICTED sexual offenders. Now, let's make sure we are talking about convicted people versus charged people. Convicted...OUT. CHARGED...innocent until proven guilty.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 8:32 AM

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ABSOLUTELY. I don't want those scumbags in uniform serving alongside me. Period.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Jan 27 at 2016 8:45 AM

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Sexual assault should never be tolerated. How can you justify a sexual assault as a leader and stand before service members and feel good about yourself as a leader? Those service members will not be to fond of following you any longer so time to pack the bags.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Jan 27 at 2016 9:06 AM

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Accusation? No. Conviction? Yes.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 10:16 AM

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If you read the courts martial results every month, you will see the opinion is divided on the punishment for sexual assault.
Some people get a few months while others get a few years. It is also interesting when you look at the actual charges, rank, and the like.
I would list them here but I invite you to look yourself:
https://www.foia.army.mil/ReadingRoom/Detail.aspx?freeText=court+martial

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 10:25 AM

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Conviction means you cannot be trusted.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 10:33 AM

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it will not be, if you are able to cover it up. or make it looks like completely different thing. But ... I doubt you can ever lead the same group of people ....

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 11:07 AM

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Sexual assault has become such a broad term that there are potentially times where the assault is not warranted of a "life sentence"...however, 99% of the time it should be a career ender with associated jail time.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 11:43 AM

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Sexual assault, yes. Sexual harassment, not so much. I have been the AR-15 investigating officer on several "sexual harassment" cases where the "harassment" was a one time, offhanded comment that "offended" some overly sensitive person. I did one case, many years ago, where a couple of med-hold females filed charges against their NCO claiming he was "harassing" them by assigning them crappy duties. During the investigation, it turned out that the duties he was assigning them were the only ones left because they had been fired (or the NCO had been told to reassign them) from every other duty they had been previously assigned. basically they were pissed because he assigned them to drive the shuttle van so they accused him of "harassment". They even went so far as to make up BS accusations of him stalking them and asking them out, none of which turned out to be true.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 12:48 PM

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Conviction? Of course!
A better question would be should a Sexual assault accusation be a career-ender?
Even unproven and unfounded allegations often are.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Jan 27 at 2016 1:18 PM

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For a actual conviction of sexual assault, not harassment or hostile work environment? Absolutely.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 2:31 PM

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Just like DUI this type of activity is unacceptable.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 3:19 PM

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Who voted no! Target them for separation!

Sexual assault isn't just harassment there has to be some sort of physical act blocking a doorway or contact. Harassment should be dealt with promptly to prevent assault, anyone assaulting another service member has clearly demonstrated their lack of values and are a disgrace to the service.

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Jan 27 at 2016 6:08 PM

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Of course you are kidding with this question?

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jan 27 at 2016 7:58 PM

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I answered yes, because you stipulated that a CONVICTION should be a career ender. In my experience, a very thorough investigation is completed before a person is convicted. In other words, the evidence is overwhelmingly against the accused. So yes the person's career should be ended.

Response by 1SG David Niles made Jan 27 at 2016 8:03 PM

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Absolutely yes

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2016 11:25 AM

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SGM, in should absolutely be a career terminator, and in most cases, it is. Because that person broke the law, and attempted, if not succeeded in breaking someone's very foundation of security and esteem. That is so far from okay it's ridiculous. That being said, I know that I could not trust someone to lead me, were they a sexual predator. That is grounds for me to be up-in-arms every time they even breathed in my direction. And, off the record, Leader or no, if that person were to every step out to try something like that with me, then I will absolutely use whatever amount of force I deem necessary to ensure that myself and those around me are protected from harm or assault by this person. Self defense doesn't have a severity cap, and if I determine that it requires lethal force to put a top to this person, then that is what I am trained, taught, and ready to do. Rationally, sexual assault incites terror and panic. Therefore, that person is a terrorist on our soil. This makes them an enemy of my country. And I am sworn to protect my country from all enemies foreign and domestic. So should it end their career? Absolutely. If I had it my way, then it should end their life as well. *rant over*

Response by SFC Terry Murphy made Jan 28 at 2016 12:20 PM

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I had a guy in my unit back in the 80s that was convicted of statutory rape. Before you all jump on the child molester bandstand, let me give you a few more facts. He met this girl in a bar, she had gotten in with a fake ID. He was told it didn't matter and he should have known. Was this soldier treated fairly? Not in my book.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Jan 28 at 2016 4:11 PM

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last time I checked, sexual assault was a UCMJ violation on the level of a felony. So, yeah, it should end a career......

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2016 7:00 PM

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I guess I'm confused. If they are convicted of sexual assault of any kind, to make this short is there anyone who can give an example of why they should be allowed to keep wearing a uniform? I can't think of one.

Response by MAJ Tex Hall made Jan 28 at 2016 7:22 PM

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And if it involved anyone or the family member of that supposed "leader's" unit, I'm in favor of castration with a dull, rusty butter knife; the wound filled with rock salt; thence stitched up with old rusty baling wire covered in cow shit; Oh wait, I got off topic a bit. We weren't talking punishment yet. My bad.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2016 8:18 PM

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Why wouldn't it? In a job where we hold brotherhood so near and dear, why would sexually assaulting someone; especially a fellow brother/sister in arms ever not be an instant career breaker? It should result in a UCMJ, dishonorable discharge, imprisonment, and a permanent mark as a sex offender. It isn't tolerated in a civilian environment, so why would physically abusing someone in such a personal way, not to mention someone that you are supposed to trust with your life and theirs with yours ever be considered something to not be punished to the fullest extent.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2016 8:41 PM

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Normally the answer to that should be a yes, for forced sex definitely... however coerced sexual contact can be a bit murky... especially when both parties are intoxicated. It's better to evaluate each instance and decide if that person is someone who can still be trusted with any authority. In most cases the answer is going to be no, however I'd prefer that a command be able to look at each case on it's own merits.

Response by PO2 Peter Klein made Jan 28 at 2016 10:22 PM

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Stupid question! OF COURSE IT SHOULD!

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jan 28 at 2016 10:53 PM

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Asking if forced or coerced sexual contact should be a career ender is like asking if pedophilia is natural. I simply don't understand why 7% of respondents so far think a sexual assault conviction is not such a big deal.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 28 at 2016 11:37 PM

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YES SGM Matthew Quick, so No need for further comment. ATW

Response by SGT Jose Santiago made Jan 28 at 2016 11:47 PM

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There is NO excuse for sexual assault! There needs to be more severe consequences imposed upon any and all offenders of this heinous crime against all humanity!!!

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Jan 29 at 2016 1:18 AM

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It shouldn't be a career-ender... as long as the balance of the convicted's career is served in the brig.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 29 at 2016 8:49 AM

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If you lie, cheat, steal, or hurt other SMs; you need to get punished and kicked out.

Response by SPC Nate Lamphier made Jan 29 at 2016 12:09 PM

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The word used in the question is "conviction"....therefore, it bothers me that this question even has to be asked.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2016 7:29 PM

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My "NO" is because sexual harassment used to be something that could happen purposefully but has become a card to be played by subordinates. They claim to be offended if someone says something not even to them about whatever and they think they can skew it. Soldiers/Airmen are just railroaded because of this push and current climate. There used to be a requirement to at least inform someone that their actions were offensive and now that is not even a requirement. All of the actual physical contact such as rape, and those things, unless something mutual that went wrong.. i get. Punish them up. But the harassment part is vague at best in todays climate. So to end a career because someone got mad for being corrected or trying to get someone in trouble because they like the drama...It happens. And more and more because of the climate soldiers are guilty until they can prove they are innocent.

Response by SSgt Robert Marx made Jan 29 at 2016 7:41 PM

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Sexual assault conviction should always result in prison time. I would think that would result in a big chicken dinner discharge at best, a dishonorable one at worst. Those discharges would definitely end any career.

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster made Jan 29 at 2016 8:05 PM

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Yes-it should end a career

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster made Jan 29 at 2016 8:21 PM

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I feel bad that this was even asked-but come on-Rape,MST,Domestic Violence is a CRIME of intimidation and cause to lose all trust in a NCO/CO. Make the sentence FIT the crime...na matter who it is.

Response by SPC Stacey Lowell made Jan 29 at 2016 8:36 PM

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If the offending "Leader" is an NCO or an officer, they shouldn't be chaptered out, the should be put before a courts-martial and if convicted, these guys should be sent to the Supermax Prison in Colorado and be put in with folks who do not take kindly with perverts in uniform. I was sexually assaulted while in Panama during OJC and thought I was ok and that it wouldn't happen again. It happened again, and I snapped in front of a SSG who was new to the S-3 Shop at Fort Polk, and I was done for. I wound up with a dual diagnosis of PTSD and Bipolar i Disorder and in the end I was given a medical discharge. I wound up coming home to New Hampshire and wandering around until I was referred to the VA. Let me just say the man who assaulted me was never charged and never faced jail. It is such a sad reminder when I read about sexual assault happening to someone else in the service. It is a crime and should be prosecuted as such. It has taken me a long time, but I have recovered. I had to lose everything before I could begin to heal. It has taken me 25 years or better just to realize that I am ok. The people who commit such acts in the end wind up losing their military careers over something else like Alcoholism or dereliction of duty because in the end these imbeciles can not live with all the damage they have caused another person in the service or off post.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Jan 29 at 2016 11:02 PM

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Yes it should be a career ender and you should be put in jail

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Jan 29 at 2016 11:02 PM

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SGM Matthew QuickNo-brainer for me . Convicted= Yes.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Jan 29 at 2016 11:13 PM

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Not only should the leader be chaptered, he/she should be drawn, quartered, listed as a sex offender and butt painted red!! A leader is a person of responsibility, trust, and someone who has been confidence of others. To betray this trust is the lowest of the lowest!!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2016 12:25 AM

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How about a court-martial and a dishonorable discharge. Also some time in jail would be fitting.

Response by Maj Thomas Cox made Jan 30 at 2016 9:02 AM

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In today's military where someone accused of sex harassment or assault has already been judged to have committed the crime because the "victim's" allegation is taken as gospel, I'm a little hesitant here. In alot of these cases, there isn't enough physical evidence to convict, much less refer to a courts-martial. If convicted, then yes, career should be over and jail time imposed. However, I've conducted several investigations where the "victim" lied about the assault in order to get out of trouble themselves. One of my cases resulted in a "subject" being held in a downtown jail, in the company of real violent criminals, for over two weeks before we presented the "victim" with conflicting evidence, at which time the individual recanted the allegation. A slow, thorough investigation should be conducted before someone accused of a crime is incarcerated.

Response by 2d Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2016 10:36 AM

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It should be noted that in the Air Force at least, sexual assault and sexual harassment are different. The Air Force has drawn the line with touching, as soon as touching is involved, it switches over.

That being said, I've found it pretty easy to avoid both sexually harassing people, and sexually assaulting people. If you haven't found it easy, maybe it's time to leave the civilized world.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Jan 30 at 2016 10:40 AM

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Yes! Of all the stuff we don't need in the Service, this is one of the biggest. Should lead to a dishonorable or at least a General discharge under less than honorable.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2016 5:56 PM

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Those results aren't astonishing at all and that's a shame.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2016 5:57 PM

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To find out more info on it if your a victim or involved in some manner, the military categorize's this as MST (military sexual trauma).

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jan 31 at 2016 9:24 AM

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This one is a no brainier. If convicted they're gone!

Response by SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury made Jan 31 at 2016 11:09 AM

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Only for true sexual assaults. For someone who gets charged with SA for a childish mooning incident - the incident shouldn't be classified as a sexual assault, and therefore shouldn't be a career-ender

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 7:51 AM

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The fact this was even asked tells me the Army still has Senior Leadership that needs to go home.
" yeah, so what he is a rapist, His section has the best APFT and qualification scores...." Really? The Leader that commits sexual assault should go straight to jail. do not pass GO, do not collect any money. These are America's Sons and Daughters we are talking about. As soon as you lose fidelity on that and think there circumstances where sexual assault should be allowed, is the time you need put in the paperwork and go to the house.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Feb 1 at 2016 8:14 AM

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As long as they don't have a Confederate Battle Flag tattoo.

Response by SR Terrilynne Porst made Feb 16 at 2016 6:40 PM

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No only should it be a career ender and jail time served, they need to be put on all Sex Offender lists.
I have ideas on what should be done, but I am only a victim.
I have so far identified 12 serial killers/rapists as prior service members (I don't know if all of them raped while in service, but most likely did and didn't get in trouble).

Gary Ridgeway- Navy- Raped and killed females
Dean Corll- Army- Raped and killed boys
William Bonin-Air Force- He raped while in service- then raped and killed males
Randy Steven Kraft- Air Force- Raped and killed boys
Jeffrey Dahmer- Army- He raped while in service- Raped and killed males
Robert Lee Yates- Army- Raped and killed
Arthur Shawcross- Army- Raped and killed
Anthony Sowell- USMC- Raped and killed females
Henry Louis Wallace- Navy- Raped and killed
Rodrigo Jacques Alcala (Rodney Alcala)- Army- Raped and killed
Doug Clark- Navy- Raped and killed
Darren Deon Vann- USMC- Raped and killed

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Apr 18 at 2016 9:36 AM

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Yes...., post conviction and appeal if appropriate.... Not even sure what this is a consideration? We are over strength.. bottom line.. the service DOES NOT NEED YOU... It needs competent, willing and able leaders and followers . By definition Id say a SM convicted of sexual assault is not that.... Good bye.

Response by SPC Nathaniel O. made Apr 18 at 2016 11:37 AM

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Yes... of course it should.

Response by MSG Mitch Dowler made Apr 18 at 2016 8:02 PM

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Since sexual harassment is based on mere perception in the military I question the definition of assault as well. Sexual harassment and I'm sure assault accusations have been used as revenge tools.

Response by PO3 Sherry Thornburg made Apr 19 at 2016 12:08 AM

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It should be a career ender, which would be a great improvement over a sudden unannounced transfer to give the creep a new chance with a new set of victims. That was how I saw a few of these situations handled when I was in service.

Response by SSG Samuel Sohm made May 27 at 2016 6:12 PM

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F*** Yes....

Response by CPO Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols made May 27 at 2016 10:45 PM

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First things first. The victim's life may be over from the trauma. We are dealing with MST in every VAMC. To date,only CR is consistently stopping the trauma from these assaults. So Chapter in IS appropriate.

Response by PFC Donnie Harold Harris made May 11 at 2017 9:44 AM

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Does a scratch on the finger require amputation of the arm? Maybe 1 out of 100, yes. Do you really want to throw away another's hopes and dreams because of Your decision over a butt photo? That is not Molestation at all but stupidity.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jun 10 at 2021 11:15 AM

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He is a convicted felon and an officer? That doesn’t seem right

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Jun 10 at 2021 1:31 PM

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YES!