Posted on Aug 9, 2016
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I left personal property unsecured at my unit's armory. When I went back for it I was asked by our S-1 NCO if I was "ready to do some push-ups" to get it back. I told him, respectfully, that I would not because it's personal property. If it was my rifle, k-pot, rucksack, etc. I would have had no issue with corrective training. But I stood on principle that it was my property. I won't go into detail about what happened, just looking for opinions.

Update:

Ok. I feel like I need to provide more details because a lot of people are misreading or misinterpreting what happened here. I brought my personally owned Blu-Ray player to my National Guard drill weekend and hooked it up to the TV in our dayroom. Being in the National Guard, many of us crash at the armory for the weekend. We sleep on whatever real estate we can find, watch movies, play cards, cook/eat dinner, etc. in our off duty hours after final formation for the day. As such, having personal items in the armory such as civilian clothes, books, movies, etc. is common fare. I left the armory to go to our annual family picnic without said Blu-Ray player. When I returned, I was informed I would have to push to get it back.

A) At no point in this thread did I ever imply that the property in question was a weapon.

B) At no point in this thread did I ever imply that the property in question belonged to the Army.

C) At no point in this thread did I ever state that my property was in an area off limits to civilian belongings.

D) The event ended with the Troop XO (acting CO on this particular day) telling the E-7 that holding my personal property from me with conditions for its release was theft (bordering on felony range due to the combined value of the Blu-Ray player and movies) and that he would have to return it to me.
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Nope, the S-1 NCO was being a dick.
He did the right thing by securing your stuff until you could recover it. After that, well... let's just say the PSNCO better not do that within earshot of me.
If the personnel section had to do pushups for every time they lost paperwork, the S-1 would be the PT studs of the Army.

The update only confirms my original thinking on the issue.
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SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson)
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SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson) down voted by a cadet. You proved my point.
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SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson) - I like a little fun, but I'd best get my mug back.
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SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson)
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1SG (Join to see) coffee mugs are actually sacrosanct. No one messes with coffee. However I catch a CAC card unsecured that is going to be fun.
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SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson) - Only someone who doesn't have an argument goes after who the person is. The original post mentioned PERSONAL property, not government property, and even after the update, like 1SG Healy, my line of thinking was confirmed. That S-1 NCO was being a dick, and even were I still enlisted, there'd be a fight had they tried to make me do push-ups for it.
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SFC Pete Kain
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Do the push ups, lesson learned.
Bottom line you screwed up.
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SFC Pete Kain
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SGT (Join to see) - YO, Get your account verified, until then you are just a useless troll and not worth spit.
If you do get verified, You really have an attitude problem. PTSD and missing your meds?
Or just STUPID?
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SGT Micheal Adams
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SGT Andy Hatcher - Basic and AIT, everything you owned was in a locker because it was military property. Making fun of his option and grammar makes you an ass hole.
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SGT Andy Hatcher
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That's your opinion (not option), and you're entitled to it. I can certainly be an asshole when someone shows me an attitude, kind of like you're doing. But, like you, I am entitled to my opinion, and if that makes you think I'm an asshole, that's your problem. Not mine.
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I disagree. As someone mentioned above, if push-ups were done everytime paperwork was lost (which is dead wrong but happens often) there would be some serious office working PT studs. The only lesson that would be learned is the E7 believing he can't be taken to court for keeping someone's personal property. I knew that was wrong before the post was updated. The E7 screwed up and almost shot himself in the foot.
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A few push ups never hurt anyone. I would have just done them, cracked a couple jokes to sort out the tension, and been along with my day. Who cares if he was being a dick? I doubt it was personal, and most times it's better to just play along for the sake of cohesion. Just my two cents.
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