Should "chewing" or "dipping" be allowed in the workplace?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:27:06 -0500

And when I say "workplace", I mean in an office environment. I don't see a problem with it in the motorpool, field environment, etc. As long as the person takes it out when appropriate times arise.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2015 3:38 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:38:26 -0500

Nope. Neither should whining about shit, but I've got to put up with that all the time, which frankly...is more annoying. Now...I'm going to put a dip in and listen to people bitch about the difficulties of their lives.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2015 4:11 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:11:12 -0500

There is an AR that prohibits the use in government establishments. But some ARs are just suggestions, like 670-1 (I am being satirical, don't raise your pitchforks, RP).

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2015 4:11 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:11:41 -0500

Spit bottles? Really? What are we in HS again? As my grandad taught me: if you think you're tough enough to dip then you better be tough enough to gut it.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Feb 25 at 2015 4:19 PM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:19:06 -0500

I know for us AF folks, it technically is only allowed in the designated tobacco use area aka smoke pit.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2015 4:40 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:40:22 -0500

No.

Not because I abhor the habit, but because too many times, I've seen a lazy individual leave a soda bottle full of their spit at their workstation. I've watched that same individual spitting while working and it is utterly repulsive.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2015 5:14 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:14:00 -0500

http://www.army.mil/article/121432/Post_smoking_policy_applies_to_chew__snuff/

Post smoking policy applies to chew, snuff

Tobacco is tobacco, no matter how it's being used.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2015 5:27 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:27:32 -0500

I am a smokeless tobacco user. Nothing is more infuriating than snuffy walking off and leaving a nasty container of spit on a table or desk. I agree with Capt Hoefing's grand pappy, feel free to dip but if you can't do it without spitting go outside.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2015 5:30 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:30:05 -0500

I vote against it, SFC Private RallyPoint Member. It is a nasty habit. It doesn't pollute the air like smoking, but those spit cans and spit bottles are truly nasty.

Response by SSG Mark DeTillion made Feb 25 at 2015 5:37 PM

SSG Mark DeTillion — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:37:41 -0500

I always liked Copenhagen. I learned to swallow that stuff. Spit cans shouldn't be in the office or vehicles.

Response by PFC Clyde Hudson made Feb 25 at 2015 6:48 PM

PFC Clyde Hudson — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:48:55 -0500

Any NCO in an office environment should make subordinates spit in the bathroom

Response by CW5 Jim Steddum made Feb 25 at 2015 8:45 PM

CW5 Jim Steddum — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:45:12 -0500

GEN Cody addressed the Judge Advocate General's Legal Center and School when he was the VCSA. He used an empty Seven-up can to spit in while on stage. Hearing the gasps in the audience when he did the first time was priceless.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2015 9:27 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:27:01 -0500

Yes and No. Reason being Sgt. Is because some soldiers need something to get rid of stress. However chewing and smoking looks unprofessional, especially being around civilians. They will probably perceive the military that we don't impose standards and being in the military should make you healthy and professional

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Feb 25 at 2015 9:33 PM

SSG Robert Burns — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:33:09 -0500

What's next, hands in our pockets and white socks with boots? Careful brother.

Response by SSG Sean Garcia made Feb 26 at 2015 1:39 AM

SSG Sean Garcia — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 01:39:50 -0500

I did it and kept my spit bottle out of sight. I also never put a huge pinch in while I was in the office nor did I walk around with one. Some of it is common sense and up to what the leadership will allow given the tobacco policies. One PSG may not carecare, but the other one could. It just depends, I also didn't care if my Soldiers did it either.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 1:56 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 01:56:45 -0500

how is this hurting you in any way, It sounds like you are just a disgruntled ssg looking for an ARCOM

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 2:29 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 02:29:37 -0500

Dipping helps relieve stress and makes you focus. If soldiers want to do it I say have at it. If people are upset over the bottles just make a rule that they need to be dark plastic or coffee cups.

Based on these responses it sounds like "I don't like it so I'm gonna make it illegal for you" and all that BS.

Do you know how annoying it is for a pack a day smoker like me to find the time?

Response by CPT Chris Loomis made Feb 26 at 2015 2:45 AM

CPT Chris Loomis — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 02:45:04 -0500

I'm all for it. In fact I have a chew in now as I type.

Seriously, in an office setting I do so very discretely and only in certain company. I try to be considerate of others that might not share the same appreciation I have.

When in the field that's another story. The way I see it, if I have to sleep in a "ranger grave," poo-poo in a cat hole, and eat chow from a brown plastic bag then a bit of spit flying around shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Feb 26 at 2015 8:21 AM

LTC Stephen C. — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:21:21 -0500

SFC Private RallyPoint Member, I would vote no. Personally, I neither dip nor chew, but I certainly don't object to others doing so, if that's what they wish. However, watching someone spit into a bottle or can is pretty revolting, and I don't want to see it occur!

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Feb 26 at 2015 9:05 AM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:05:39 -0500

No..the use of tobacco products in an indoor, work environment, should not be allowed, PERIOD!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 11:14 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:14:33 -0500

SSG

I think it depends on the individual and based purely on preference of the leaders/managers.

NO: It is unprofessional, it is disgusting. No one wants to see or smell chewed tobacco. There is the risk of it being spilled. It may give off the impression of an immature environment and the DoD has a policy concerning tobacco use. If this is the view taken, ensure that you give a person amble time to take care of their needs throughout the day or they may get pissy/on edge.

however, the way I usually see leaders approach this....

It doesn't matter. As long as a person knows when to put it away, there isn't an issue (e.g Briefing time, visitors present, etc.). If the person lets it spill out, then the privilege is eliminated. Some people cover their spitters up in duck tape or a non-transparent bottle so that individuals don't have to see the contents, which would be a recommendation. If it is disallowed, then eating should be disallowed as well. Some people may find the smell and appearance of someone's food choice to be offensive or disgusting and it may also create vermin issues. Not allowing the chew/dip indoors falls in line with DoD policy I believe, but you will face a leadership challenge if you allow some things but not others.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Feb 26 at 2015 11:33 AM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:33:29 -0500

This is ridiculous! I can't smoke without someone bitching, I can't dip with out someone bitching! I want to dip or smoke and it isn't bothering you in a couped up office, vehicle or in the same tent or right in front of you why does it matter. Kinda like Facebook and this site. Don't like the tread skip over it. Don't like the bottle don't look at it.

With that being said I always keep my bottle in my desk drawer or in my pocket and out of sight. If I am outside don't need the bottle! I have a habit that I LIKE. and it does't bother you buy the smoke. Leave well enough alone.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 11:39 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:39:55 -0500

I don't see a problem with in most of the time. The only instances where I would frown upon it would be if there were special guest in the office like higher ups (military or civilian).

And if I want to spit into a clear water bottle, who's business is it of yours? I'm not demanding that you look at it or watch me spit into it... Keep in mind, this is the United States military...not the girls scouts, so deal with it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 11:49 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:49:39 -0500

SSG, For myself and my soldiers I expect them to use a little common sense. If you need to run up to battalion or brigade buildings spit that sh** out. If your on staff duty during working hours, do not put a bulligerent size dip in. As for a spitter, if your not gutting it like a real man you best have a top on it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 12:43 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:43:06 -0500

I think that it is nasty, but I don't care if other people do it. I think that you should be courteous and use a bottle with a lid. It bothers me when people use a paper cup. It always stinks and half the time it gets knocked over. Talk about disgusting.

Response by SGT Frank Leonardo made Feb 26 at 2015 1:06 PM

SGT Frank Leonardo — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:06:44 -0500

No smoking is not so why should it and YEP nasty bottle cups etc stink also so I think it should be looked at just like smoking it is a tobacco product

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 1:11 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:11:44 -0500

No, no, no. I detest it from the detectable echo of the "PA-TOOOIE" (spit) to the clear water bottles filled with nasty gnarlieness.

In a related note, nor should clipping ones nails at work, yet folks do that as well. ((Seriously, WTF??))

**eye roll**

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 1:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:40:19 -0500

No. The Army Good Health says that you are not allowed to use tobacco products within a certain radius of a government building.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 2:03 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:03:23 -0500

Back in my E-3 days I had an aircrewman petty officer tell me to clean up his spit cup that he knocked over in the shop. I told him in no uncertain terms that that wasn't going to happen and that I was prepared to go all the way to mast over it. You can do it, but be responsible for your own mess/cans/cups/bottles.

Response by Sgt Joshua Anderson made Feb 26 at 2015 3:19 PM

Sgt Joshua Anderson — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:19:08 -0500

While I don't promote dipping, I do promote using a container that can be closed and if it's clear, wrap it in duct tape. When you're done for the day, throw it away. Don't leave it on the office overnight or for your juniors to have to deal with. I can't tell you how many times as a junior Marine I've had other people's disgusting dip spit on me because an accidental spillage while trying to take out the trash.

Response by FN Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 10:56 PM

FN Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:56:52 -0500

I believe that it would be help full for some people to chew in the work space to relieve stress or just to get a buzz to calm down. Like some people smoke when they get upset or have a bad day for me i throw in a dip. But it is the military they need to still respsect it and keep the work environment clean and sanitary.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 1:00 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 01:00:08 -0500

It should be allowed if the service members picked up after themselves and didn't make it a cleaning issue to others who don't partake in that habit. I've picked up enough spit bottles laying around by the nasty mother f'ers that can't clean up after themselves. This is a pattern everywhere, so no.

Smokers can't seem to get their butts into the butt cans, but litter the ground around them, and dippers can't throw away their own dip bottles. Maybe this is unique to the entitlement generation that don't know any better, but this has been going on for the 7 years I've been in.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Feb 27 at 2015 8:02 AM

SGT Jim Z. — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:02:41 -0500

EDITED TO: enhance original post and to give reference to chapter of the Army Regulation

There was a thread about enforcing the standards and here is one standard that is broke by many and not fully enforced. Chapter 7 of AR 600-63 spells out that all tobacco products will not be used in government buildings and only in designated areas. http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r600_63.pdf

BELOW is original comment:
Negative it is a tobacco product and therefore, it is not authorized except in designated areas.

http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r600_63.pdf

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 8:15 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:15:06 -0500

I do not dip/chew/snuff/etc, however I have done limited use of these in the past and appreciate the buzz they provide.
In peer settings, as long as the bottle is out of sight and the constant spitting is not disruptive to the 'workplace' I see no specific issue.
Around subordinates or superiors, there should not be any chewing, etc, unless both individuals chose to do it and no one else cares.

Regardless, DO NOT leave your bottle in my area. Thank you!

Response by SPC Neil Hood made Feb 27 at 2015 8:21 AM

SPC Neil Hood — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:21:51 -0500

My MaxxPro gunner spilled his spot bottle on myself and ruck. Talk about nasty. It hit my armor not my hair or face thankfully.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 2:08 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:08:31 -0500

Personally, I dont see an issue with it. Smoking indoors, I can see the problem with, as it affects everyone. But as a dipper, I can say, my dip doesnt bother anyone else. If they dont want to see my spitter, then they can just not look at it. And it wont hurt them a bit. And to expect this to change military wide, simply because people dont want to look at it, then that only enforces the "softening" of the military, and the coddling of people's feelings. This is the MILITARY! We arent supposed to be so worried about other people's feelings that we change our entire lifestyle to accommodate them. Thicken up the skin a little bit and acclimate to the Army or get out. And no, SSG Scheil, this is not directed at you, simply a generalized answer of my own personal opinion.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 3:28 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:28:47 -0500

A personal pet peeve of mine.
Spit bottles are just a step above piss bottles in my opinion. Both are nasty.

Response by MSgt Keith Hebert made Feb 27 at 2015 6:46 PM

MSgt Keith Hebert — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:46:44 -0500

I can't smoke you can't dip
No really I could care less if you dip in the office, but learn to swallow and eat mints.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 8:30 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500

Uh yes? Y'all should stop being a bunch of pansies we are all grown men and women in the military. Stop whining about this shit especially you army brats. I'm in the marines and guess what? If people don't like me dipping while at work, then oh fucking well. I'm a grown ass man and will dip and smoke as I please!! :)

Response by 1LT A. Uribe made Feb 27 at 2015 8:34 PM

1LT A. Uribe — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:34:42 -0500

Unprofessional by all means!!!

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 9:14 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:14:53 -0500

Mudjugs. They come is designs, spill proof and indestructible. Can't see the spit. Can't smell in. Can't complain.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 9:42 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:42:13 -0500

As long as it can be sealed, do what they do on ship, tape the bottle so you can't see in it and no one mistakes it for a drink. Would you rather a Marine dip while working or stoping and takeing 15 minute smoke breaks. Now cell phones that's another story. I hate seeing people on them at work playing games now that's a subject to focus on.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 12:11 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 00:11:40 -0500

okay..I get we are in a changing army, but there are some lines that you do not cross. Leave me and my spitter out of it.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Feb 28 at 2015 12:40 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 00:40:06 -0500

No!!! Never, No Way!!! Is it disgusting... I used to have a LT (PL) in my company that had 64 ounce bottles of spit in his office, more than one... I banned that from the company area (90-92), which was not popular.

One night at Christmas Party, another LTs kid drank from a Pepsi can he was using to spit into set down. That was not a good scene.

He always had it on his lips and teeth; very professional...

He left the Army as a 1LT... which is hard to do. Natural Selection.

Response by TSgt David Holman made Feb 28 at 2015 7:46 AM

TSgt David Holman — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:46:12 -0500

No, it should not. It sets a double standard, not only that, it sets the wrong image. I work in the medical field, and see guys doing this all the time. There was nothing like working in the ER, and seeing one of your medics put in a giant chew... and then getting sent on a call... what would you think if you were on the verge of having a heart attack and some guy rolled up to save your life with a giant chaw in...

Response by CW5 Sam R. Baker made Feb 28 at 2015 7:48 AM

CW5 Sam R. Baker — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:48:43 -0500

COL Private RallyPoint Member , summed it up pretty well, but as a non-dipper since 1979 and a non-smoker since 2007, I think it should not be allowed and most CSMs don't allow it. Let me say garrison operations mainly and mostly indoor spaces. I would say that the spit can could be next to the cigarette refuse outdoors and go ahead and stick a bubble gum disposal out there too!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 7:50 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:50:45 -0500

I personally do not care if it is in the workplace. As long as you do not make a mess I could care less. And people like to say well if smokers have to go outside so should people who dip. Dipping is not hurting anyone else besides the dipper. Smoking on the other hand does. So smokers go outside and dippers dip where ever. Now places I think that dipping is unprofessional would be meetings, when speaking to your commander or senior NCO's within your company or where ever it is that you work. Be considerate and if it is a professional conversation I would say you should probably not have a big old chaw shoved in your lip or cheek. But this is my opinion. I personally do not smoke or dip. But if we want to talk about rules. I am pretty sure somewhere it is said that you can not use tobacco in a government building. Tobacco is generalized in that statement and would include both smoking and smokeless tobacco.

Response by SSG Keith Bodiford (Ret) made Feb 28 at 2015 8:13 AM

SSG Keith Bodiford (Ret) — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 08:13:22 -0500

To quote Gen Whitcomb former commander of 3rd Army who himself chewed. So long as your not briefing and people can't see what is in the bottle then yes you can have a container capable of being sealed. But if you are briefing either be able to gut the spit or don't do it.

I am very discreet. I have been told people don't even know i dip until the few occasions that i spit either in MY own trash can or my duct taped bottle.

Response by SSG Keith Bodiford (Ret) made Feb 28 at 2015 8:13 AM

SSG Keith Bodiford (Ret) — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 08:13:29 -0500

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 8:14 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 08:14:30 -0500

Look wether you dislike it or like it, put you're personal opinions aside, I am a dipper, but there r people that I don't dip around because they get angry with it. I think their should be no dipping areas, but your workspace is not one of them, places of common gathering are the places that may be under consideration for a ban on dipping.

Response by MSgt Allan Vrboncic made Feb 28 at 2015 8:54 AM

MSgt Allan Vrboncic — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 08:54:09 -0500

So, what part of "Tobacco Free" workplace do people not understand? That goes for the Flightline also. I do not want to be kneeling in or stepping in someone's tobacco spit.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 8:54 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 08:54:29 -0500

Does it honestly matter as long as it doesn't effect getting work done if you dont want to see it dont look at it or the person chewing can use a can that you cant see through boom problem solved

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 9:00 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 09:00:03 -0500

Go outside if you're going to put a dip in. Its freaking disgusting seeing nasty dip bottles lying around my workplace all the time

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Feb 28 at 2015 9:31 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 09:31:53 -0500

Here's what it really boils down to.

People dip in the office because they can't smoke. If you tel them they can't dip, they'll chew sunflower seeds. If you tell them they can't chew seeds, they'll find some other equally disgusting habit.

it's not about the dip. It's about the habit. Navy Chiefs don't "need" to suck down 14 pots of coffee a day. It's just a habit. My old BN CO didn't need to smoke cigars on hikes, it was a habit (which the other O's soon emulated...).

People are just going to replace one habit with another.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 10:52 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:52:05 -0500

I'm just a lance corporal and I say this with all do respect. I believe that these grown ass men and women that are sacraficing a hell of a lot should be able to do whatever they want concerning tobacco. It's not hurting you and until it becomes life threatening to you don't worry about it

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 12:24 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:24:04 -0500

Fuck you and fuck off

Response by AA Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 12:27 PM

AA Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:27:36 -0500

I walk around with one in and a lot of people in my shop do. The only time we spit is in the shop. We can't have a bottle in the hangar or on the flight line. So we gut it, call it what you want. I can live without a lip I can't live without a lung.

Response by LCpl David Wright-martin made Feb 28 at 2015 12:36 PM

LCpl David Wright-martin — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:36:17 -0500

Who did we hurt? I think that as long as they use non transparent bottles it should be fine. It teaches people not to steal other people drinks as well. The only people that should be complaining are drink thieves.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 1:18 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:18:46 -0500

As long as they spit in a bottle with a lid, i don't see a problem.

Response by CPL Eric Allen made Feb 28 at 2015 2:40 PM

CPL Eric Allen — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:40:24 -0500

NOPE looks unprofessional like tattoos....... LOL YOLO

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 2:46 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:46:30 -0500

I thought we weren't allowed to talk about things going in and out of one's mouth. Seriously though, just like homosexuals have pointed out that what they do to their bodies is their business. We should respect dippers as well. Maybe even have a dippers history month so we can learn about all the unique types of tobacco there is.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 2:50 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:50:27 -0500

I dip - I DO NOT dip at work. Neither in the office or in designated smoke areas. I think it makes you look like crap when in uniform. It shouldn't be aloud and I'm pretty sure that's not changing anytime soon. I can wait till I put my civi's on to put a lip in.

Response by LCpl Jake Gribbins made Feb 28 at 2015 3:40 PM

LCpl Jake Gribbins — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:40:26 -0500

I dip every second of the day nearly. Just swallow it and don't be an ass with a half of a can shoved in your lip. Just keep it to where no one knows for sure, and it won't bother a soul.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 6:26 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 18:26:48 -0500

I think it should be encouraged in middle school and further more a place to spit when your done. I am all for second hand spittal. Maybe they should have like those bags they use for dogs when they poop in the park. We could then send those baguettes to the labs to check for drugs.

Bring back Camel Joe. candy cigarettes and fake chew bubblegum.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 7:03 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:03:52 -0500

I think it depends on your duty location and MOS. If you work in a setting where your fellow warriors don't have the discipline to stay focused on the task at hand I could see it being an issue. Besides not every one in DOD has had to burn poop, carry or move the dead, search an individual that hasn't bathed in months, etc.... but hay .... yea that little bit of brown stuff in bottle is gross.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 7:29 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:29:14 -0500

Tobacco use isn't allowed in any federal building which is to include dip or chew. It's been that way for a long time, just never inforced. So people are only crying now why

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 9:28 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:28:53 -0500

I see allot of referencing of regulations and not enough enforcement of good order and discipline. Bottom line, if DOD personnel are not keeping their area in a good state of police than be a leader and fix it. Do not try improperly enforcing AR-I, MCO, AF-I, etc.... If this is a problem with your warriors that it is probably just the tip of the ice burg I am not even sure why you would air your dirty laundry out like this.

Response by CPL Brendan Hayes made Feb 28 at 2015 9:43 PM

CPL Brendan Hayes — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:43:31 -0500

During my entire time in the military I smoked and dipped. There became a clear "dip etiquette" in the battery/company offices that the senior NCOs were pretty good about enforcing between themselves. One platoon sergeant was a serious smoker and would not smoke in their shared office (this was almost 20 years ago). Another platoon sergeant who dipped regularly would not use a bottle or can for his spit. Instead he would use a disposable coffee cup, which he would throw in the dumpster on his way out at the end of the day. This worked well for them because none of them used disposable cups in the office. As a junior soldier at the time I couldn't do either thing should I find myself in their office, but that is beside the point.

The key thing is to come up with a system that the people in the office can live with.

Response by MSgt Aaron Brite made Feb 28 at 2015 11:55 PM

MSgt Aaron Brite — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 23:55:25 -0500

No, it is the epitome of unprofessional in an office and a hazard in the shop environment. If the military means to be "tobacco free" then smokeless tobacco needs to join cigarettes in the rubbish bin. Just my 2 cents.

Response by PO1 Jim B made Mar 1 at 2015 1:51 AM

PO1 Jim B — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 01:51:07 -0500

No. It is not professional and there is nothing worst than looking at and or smelling a spit cup. Dip in authorized smoking areas only and get rid of it when you leave the area. Show pride in the uniform and look professional all the time.

Response by SPC Jeffrey Kilcrease made Mar 1 at 2015 3:26 AM

SPC Jeffrey Kilcrease — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 03:26:25 -0500

Spc Jeffey S. Kilcrease ARNG Retired
A soldier may be able to decide to dip, chew, or smoke. I cannot judge, but out of respect for non tobacco users please show respect and honor regulation. God bless the USA and all troops supporting our freedom.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 6:12 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 06:12:25 -0500

The Army does not have a anti-smoking program, the Army has an anti-tobacco program. Current regulations ALREADY FORBIDES the use of tobacco products in the "workplace". If you cannot smoke there, then you cannot dip there. No tobacco means no tobacco and it does not matter how the tobacco is used/consumed.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 7:17 AM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 07:17:57 -0500

In my opinion, we should be allowed to chew in the work place.. AS LONG AS we don't work with the public. For instance, my job is air transportation, and I work in a warehouse all day, whereas if I were personnel flight, I'd be working with the public all day and would have to look professional at all times. BUT I work in a warehouse, so I feel as if I should be able to chew at work because it's not like I'm smoking and blowing it all in my coworkers' faces. I'd spit in a bottle, but if that bothers you that I spit in a bottle then don't look at it. And it would be much more convenient than having to walk all the way out to the smoke pit to take time to smoke a cigarette to get nicotine.

Response by SSG Angela Valtierra made Mar 1 at 2015 8:43 AM

SSG Angela Valtierra — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 08:43:35 -0500

No its unprofessional and disgusting. Especially when your talking to a soldier n their breath is kicking n crap all in their teeth.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 9:22 AM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 09:22:40 -0500

I say yes. I'm a dipper and have been for a long time, I like to have a dip in when I'm working and it feels weird not having one. Some say "it's not fair to smokers" if I can dip and they can't smoke. Well I say the hell with that. I'm not blowing smoke in your face, my dip won't cause you cancer.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 11:42 AM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 11:42:55 -0500

Office setting no definitely not. I can understand working in a shop or out in the field, but an office setting isn't a place for it.

Response by SPC Robert Thomas made Mar 1 at 2015 11:42 AM

SPC Robert Thomas — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 11:42:57 -0500

I am guilty of using smokeless tobacco in the "office" environment, but I use a A&W root beer bottle, all my fellow Soldiers know the dark brown root beer bottle is my dip bottle and it remains either in my PC or my right cargo pocket. But I will never dip with patients in the room.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 11:43 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 11:43:02 -0500

If you cannot chew gum why should you be able to chew anything else?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 12:46 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 12:46:33 -0500

As long as you are not face to face with a customer and are discrete than it should be allowed. If people can go outside and smoke and smell of cigarettes at work, why can't I dip?

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 3:17 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 15:17:53 -0500

Yes it should because without it all you will have is a bunch of disgruntled marines not wanting to work

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 4:03 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 16:03:07 -0500

Not in a office to me it's unprofessional. now in the field that is fine because to me it's the environment for it.because the field is not a nice neat place to begin with.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 5:24 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 17:24:56 -0500

The difference between Nicotine users and non-users, one group makes life miserable and restricting on the other. Guess which is which while I load up another pinch.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 8:08 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 20:08:28 -0500

SECNAVINST 5100.13E, Navy and Marine Corps Smoking Policy
6.d. Smokeless Tobacco. Smokeless tobacco is not a safe alternative to smoking. It is no more or less acceptable than smoking. Smokeless tobacco use is only permitted in designated tobacco use areas. Where smokeless tobacco use is permitted, tobacco spit shall be held in containers with sealing lids to prevent odor and accidental spills. Tobacco spit and residue shall be disposed of in a sanitary manner which prevents public exposure.

Additional prohibitions are found in local Base Orders but SECNAVINST 5100.13E alone includes: Any interior space owned, leased or controlled by DON, including any Navy or Marine Corps space, building, facility, floating unit, aircraft or vehicle.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 8:28 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 20:28:15 -0500

5. Background
a. Tobacco use is the single largest cause of preventable premature mortality in the United States among adults. Tobacco related health care and productivity loss cost the Department of Defense (DoD) nearly a billion dollars each year. ....

c. Tobacco use in any form is addictive; and no form of tobacco, including smokeless tobacco, are safe alternatives to cigarettes. The use of smokeless tobacco may cause a number of serious oral health conditions and problems, including cancer of the mouth and gums, periodontitis, tooth loss, and thus loss of medical readiness.

d. Tobacco use is associated with higher absenteeism, diminished motor and perceptual skill, and poor endurance. The smoking of tobacco adversely affects low-light and night vision, respiratory capacity and wound-healing rates, and contributes to the risk of cold-related injuries, including frostbite. Additionally, statistics for tobacco users demonstrate higher accident rates than non-tobacco users.

e. Because the health of tobacco users is adversely affected and because the health of all personnel must be protected by providing a safe, healthy, and non-polluted workplace, DON’s vision is to be tobacco free.

Tobacco use is also a major risk factor for developing macular degeneration, a disease that gradually destroys sharp, central vision in your eyes.

Notice that there is nothing related to being politically correct (PC) in any of that, so let's drop the whole PC argument. It is a red herring. A mere misleading distraction.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 10:10 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 22:10:22 -0500

Let the soldiers dip if they want to. They are soldiers for goodness gracious. If they are not responsible enough to throw away a spitter, then discipline them. I understand not wanting to but don't be afraid to throw one away yourself too. It's not like you are touching the spit.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 11:55 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 23:55:08 -0500

Try to tell an armor or infantry officer no chew during the Command and Staff and see what happens.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 1:00 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 01:00:26 -0500

As we were getting ready to start a Bn Quarterly Training Meeting with our new Bn Cdr (whom I had known when he was a Captain from yrs back); As we were standing around waiting for the meeting to start, I pulled out my can of Kodiak and put a pinch in my mouth and sat the can on the table where I was to sit. As we went to sit down the Bn Cdr asks, "1SG, do we need to wait for you to get something to spit in?" I said, No Sir, I swallow the shit....want some? He laughed and said, no thank you. I mumbled "Whip" and we all busted out laughing! He said, "It's good to see you haven't changed over the years!"

Here is a NON Political Correct answer for you. Now, if you don't want to dip or chew...then don't! But don't infringe on my choice to do so. If I choose to have a cup, can or bottle in my work area and spit in it (which I don't), that's my business! If you don't like it, then I would suggest you don't pick it up and accidently try to drink out it. You know it's not yours if it in my area. Many may call it unprofessional, or whatever...I call it, mind your own business! We all have different vices....I'll not complain about yours..please give me the same courtesy. Your vice may be sweets, sodas, monster energy drinks, etc. I'll allow you to enjoy your habits and life and I also expect the same!
So if you got it, dip it!

Response by SFC Russell Campbell made Mar 2 at 2015 3:08 AM

SFC Russell Campbell — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 03:08:40 -0500

Let's just outlaw everything. How's this for starters: 1.No eating in the work place. 2. No drinking coffee or any beverage but water in the work place. 3. No un-natural hair coloring in the work place. 4. No tattoos in the work place. 5. No political discussions in the work place. 6. No religious discussions in the work place. 7. No cell phones in the work place (other than monitored ones for actual work communication.) 8. No thinking in the work place.

This is how this crap starts. Quit fucking whining about people who dip. If you think that's nasty, maybe you should try to stop arterial bleeding from a catastrophic limb separation on a soldier and see how much that "grosses" your pussy ass out. Not everyone wants to be in your world George Orwell! Then again, the military seems to be even more ball-less and pc in the last 5 years or so. Guess that's what happens when you let F**K Stick Socialists call all the shot. How many General officers have been fired now, 26? I guess they didn't like some of the "new and improved" changes shoved down their throats.

Response by PO1 Lonnie Muncy made Mar 2 at 2015 6:22 AM

PO1 Lonnie Muncy — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 06:22:16 -0500

Absolutely NOT

Response by SSG Robert Rusinko made Mar 2 at 2015 8:29 AM

SSG Robert Rusinko — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 08:29:47 -0500

When I was on active duty I dipped all the time. But I bought a spittoon that couldn't spill if I wanted it to. I remember the day's when you could smoke in the office. I had a 1SG that would chain smoke. that never but bothered me either.

Bottom line is keep it clean and who cares!!!!!!!

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made Mar 2 at 2015 8:44 AM

LTC Charles T Dalbec — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 08:44:47 -0500

We should should not allow any form of Tobacco in a Federal Work Place or any restaurant? I thought that was current policy, law etc already.

Response by MSG Kirt Highberger made Mar 2 at 2015 9:22 AM

MSG Kirt Highberger — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 09:22:32 -0500

Negative Ghostrider, swallow or get to the smokers area

Response by PO2 Kristopher P. made Mar 2 at 2015 1:46 PM

PO2 Kristopher P. — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 13:46:24 -0500

Swedish snus...that should keep teeth/jaws intact without being too offensive to folks...

When I was in and on the ship...if a Gatorade bottle was a spit cup, it was just covered in tape to A. mask the juice and B. tell everyone DO NOT DRINK.

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 1:47 PM

1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 13:47:12 -0500

Honestly, I do not have an issue with someone using chew...HOWEVER having a spit cup on one's desk for anyone to see is gross.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 2:14 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 14:14:15 -0500

I would absolutely love to find the correlation between soldiers and veterans who would say

1. "Hell yeah to dipping, and if it grosses you out, you're a pansy"

...and those who would say

2. "Don't shove that faggotry in my face, go back in the closet! That's gross!"

I freely admit that I have no way of knowing what the correlation is, but I would find the answer highly interesting on several levels.

Response by SSG Jacob Wiley made Mar 2 at 2015 2:59 PM

SSG Jacob Wiley — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 14:59:30 -0500

Not gonna put anyone on blast...but one individual started with "where are our standards"...

This is about as much nonsense as tattoos being unprofessional. We are the military. The military's job is to fight and win wars. If your workplace is the hospital as an OR tech - well yeah, no kidding don't dip there.

Aside from no brainers...does it really matter? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE A LIFE OR DEATH ISSUE IN COMBAT? Nah, never - just like tats. So, why play the "everyone look how shiny my stuff is, look at my standards!!!" card? Don't like that your battle spits in a bottle...quit looking at the damn bottle. Next slide.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 3:20 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:20:12 -0500

As long as the individual doesn't have the spit bottle out in the open and learns to swallow when talking to people. I don't have a problem with dipping

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 3:51 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:51:13 -0500

Spit bottles should not be allowed. Absolutely disgusting.

If they can do their thing without the need to fill a disgusting spit bottle, no complaints from me.

Response by LTC Mark Maitag made Mar 2 at 2015 4:24 PM

LTC Mark Maitag — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 16:24:05 -0500

Sounds like most of the issue is with the spittoons and not necessarily the dipping. I for one do not use a spittoon on most occasions and no one is the wiser. It is unprofessional and inconsiderate in an office setting to be spitting into a bottle, can or whatever. If you can dip without spitting, then I don't see a problem. Incognito. It is a nasty habit that I wish I never started, but....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 4:26 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 16:26:43 -0500

Army Regulation 600–63
Personnel—General
Army Health Promotion
Chapter 7, Environmental Health
7–1. General
a. The overall mission of environmental health programs is to create and maintain a
supportive, safe, and healthy environment. This is accomplished through two primary
mechanisms. First, environmental health programs strive to achieve and sustain health-
enhancing human environments that are protected from biological, chemical, and
physical hazards, and are secure from the adverse effects of environmental threats.
Programs in this category include but are not limited to air quality, water quality
(including fluoridation), toxic management and pesticide use, and a wide range of
workplace health and safety issues. Second, environmental health is promoted through
proactive public health policies that reduce risk from environmental exposures and
encourage healthy lifestyles. Programs in this category include but are not limited to
tobacco control practices, and policies governing MWR facilities, such as hours of
operation.
b. The CHPC will recommend, coordinate, and ensure the development and integration
of appropriate environmental health programs and policies for units, Soldiers, Family
members, and Army civilians in their communities.
7–2. Guidance for controlling tobacco use in DA controlled areas
a. Using tobacco products (to include cigarettes, cigars, cigarillos, smokeless tobacco,
inhaled tobacco, and all other tobacco products designed for human consumption)
harms readiness by impairing physical fitness and by increasing illness, absenteeism,
premature death, and health care costs. Readiness will be enhanced by promoting the
standard of a tobacco-free environment that supports abstinence from, and discourages
the use of any tobacco product.
b. Full cooperation of all commanders, supervisors, Soldiers, and Army civilians is
expected to ensure people are protected from the harmful effects of tobacco products.
c. All organizational elements (Active and Reserve Components; appropriated and non-
appropriated fund civilian personnel) that occupy space in or on conveyances, offices,
buildings, or facilities over which DA has custody and control will comply with Army
policy and guidance. This includes space assigned to the Army by the General Services
Administration or space contracted from other sources.
d. This policy does not cancel or supersede other instructions that control the use of
tobacco products because of fire, explosion, or other safety considerations.
7–3. Policy for controlling tobacco use
a. Tobacco use is prohibited in all DA-occupied workplaces except for designated
smoking areas, as authorized by DODI 1010.15, Smoke-Free DOD Facilities. The
workplace includes any area inside a building or facility over which DA has custody and
control, and where work is performed by military personnel, civilians, or persons under
contract to the Army.
(1) Notices will be displayed at entrances to buildings and facilities over which DA has
custody and control which state that smoking is not allowed except in designated
smoking areas. Designated smoking areas must comply with the provisions of DODI
1010.15.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 4:27 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 16:27:34 -0500

If I have to smoke outside, then why shouldn't a dipper have to dip outside...

Response by Sgt Steve Jacobs made Mar 2 at 2015 4:30 PM

Sgt Steve Jacobs — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 16:30:13 -0500

Absolutely not. It's offensive to everyone except another chewer/dipper.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 5:11 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 17:11:49 -0500

Nope. But I knew a P.A. at the TMC who nearly always dipped.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 5:15 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 17:15:11 -0500

Due to some unwise choices in my life and consorting with the wrong types of people, I used to dip. And I couldn't stop. My brand was SkoaI mint pouches. And I dipped it everywhere. It should be banned from indoor environments. I kept trying to quit but others would dip around me and the cycle would start all over again and again. I finally managed to quit permanently since I took my terminal leave and I have never felt better. Nicorette gum is the best thing for quitting. I haven't looked back since and I'm physically repulsed by the sight and smell of it.

Response by SGT Joseph W. made Mar 2 at 2015 5:21 PM

SGT Joseph W. — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 17:21:31 -0500

My favorite aunt and Great-Grandmother dipped. To this day, I can't stand the sight or smell of chewing tobacco/snuff. Training as a CNA post-military, you couldn't pay me to pick up a cigarette butt again (without a glove). Stepping in tobacco spit is the equivalent to stepping in dog shite.

Response by LCpl Clif Crosswhite made Mar 2 at 2015 5:28 PM

LCpl Clif Crosswhite — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 17:28:10 -0500

Chewing is fine just don't be a pussy and gut it you don't need a bottle to spit in

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 6:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 18:40:49 -0500

Now i do not smoke dip or chew, but i do feel that Dipping or Chew should not be allowed in the work place. Now with smoking other than the butt to throw away you only have to deal with the stench of cigarette smoke, which stinks to all high heaven. now Dip or chew is a whole new world of disgusting. now it does not smell like cigarettes, unless you are around the person when they open the can, i honestly think that smells worse than cigarette smoke. Then you have to deal with clumps of dip all over the parking lot or in bottles forgotten in odd places. Under Army Regulation 600–63
Personnel—General
Army Health Promotion
Chapter 7, Environmental Health
7–1. General
All tobacco use is prohibited in all DA controlled areas. this includes Using tobacco products (to include cigarettes, cigars, cigarillos, smokeless tobacco,
inhaled tobacco, and all other tobacco products designed for human consumption). but from personal experience this is not always enforced.

Response by SFC Roger D. made Mar 2 at 2015 7:09 PM

SFC Roger D. — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 19:09:30 -0500

Yes !!!! But, without offending others (i.e. Don't spit in trash cans)...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 7:44 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 19:44:27 -0500

No it shouldn't, Army policy states no tobacco product use within a government facility. Look it up, AR 600-63 chapter 7 paragraphs 2 and 3

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 7:59 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 19:59:49 -0500

We as NCO's or Officers allow this because if i'am not mistaken Defense Instruction 1010.15 bands the use of tobacco products in all facilities this includes snuff or smokeless or what ever.

Response by SGT Gary Miner made Mar 2 at 2015 8:00 PM

SGT Gary Miner — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 20:00:39 -0500

I never had an office, but would spit into the rock crusher, off the side of a dozer, or into a shot hole. It kept the dust out. Guess folks have become hyper sensitive that isn't pretty. Most of my PLT SGT's were the biggest abusers you want people to do the missions let them have some privilege.

Response by PO3 Derik Hartz made Mar 2 at 2015 8:19 PM

PO3 Derik Hartz — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 20:19:20 -0500

Of course it should be. Dipping does not directly effect tor impede on anyone else's daily routine, so why not? We are asked daily to put our life on the line... And your s saying we can't chew? BS!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 8:23 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 20:23:05 -0500

I think this is the most disgusting thing. It's gross like who wants to sit around and spit in a bottle. The worse is when someone spills it.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 8:23 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 20:23:39 -0500

Yes

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 8:27 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 20:27:23 -0500

An excerpt from AR 600-63 Army Health Promotion
"7–3. Policy for controlling tobacco use
a. Tobacco use is prohibited in all DA-occupied workplaces except for designated
smoking areas, as authorized by DODI 1010.15, Smoke-Free DOD Facilities. The
workplace includes any area inside a building or facility over which DA has custody and
control, and where work is performed by military personnel, civilians, or persons under
contract to the Army."

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 8:28 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 20:28:31 -0500

It's nasty but if you can tolerate it and it's out of the way then I don't see much of an issue with it. I've seen former co-workers do it often when the flight chief wasn't around and they knew no one would be bothering them. Definitely wasn't for me. I do think that if it is officially allowed a waiver should be signed so when all these guys and gals retire and realize they now have gum cancer or any other sort of medical problem directly stemming from the tobacco...they can't claim disability for it. It might have happened during your time of service but it was your choice.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 9:02 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:02:30 -0500

I've worked with people who dipped and its gross and unprofessional looking. Constantly having to spit into a cup is way worse etiquette then many of the other standards we have to abide by!! And it's terrible for your health on top of all that.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Mar 2 at 2015 9:16 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:16:05 -0500

I just don't see it as professional, maybe in the field but not at a desk in an office military or civilian.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 9:18 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:18:16 -0500

Why is it that all these entitled shits want to take away the freedoms of others? If you have served or will serve its to fight for the freedoms of others; do not infringe on other people's preferences and force your opinion through laws, rules, or stupid regulations. Quit your whiny opinions to yourself!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 9:35 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:35:13 -0500

If tattoos are unprofessional and they can be concealed pretty readily, how can a mouth full of dip be OK? Not only is it unsightly, but there is no positive medical benefit from this product. You can't take certain supplements that enhance performance, but a product that degrades performance is allowed to be put on public display? It would be a better COA to stop selling this product on post and preclude usage during the duty day.

Response by AN Richard Chapa made Mar 2 at 2015 9:36 PM

AN Richard Chapa — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:36:07 -0500

Absolutely not. There cannot be any double standards. I never experienced this problem in the Navy. Not until I started working for the Air Force. If smoking is not allowed, then smokeless tobacco shouldn't either. We had a student pilot sling out his snuff on the ground. The expediter told the Instructor Pilot & made him pick it up & put it back in his snuff can. Spit cups & soda bottles full of spit in the flight shack or even seeing them in trash cans were sick. It's just my opinion hoping not to offend anyone.

Response by SFC Eric Hendrickson made Mar 2 at 2015 9:43 PM

SFC Eric Hendrickson — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:43:08 -0500

No, the reg is clear, no tobacco products, do remind your battles to get rid of it in the office, if others cannot smoke at their desk, why should you get to indulge in your habit.

I do not smoke, have no opinion on it.

Response by CW4 Jim Shelburn made Mar 2 at 2015 9:44 PM

CW4 Jim Shelburn — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:44:11 -0500

I run my own business. It's not large, but we have been in business for 23 years. As "the Boss", I can say that smokless tobacco is NOT permitted. I also have people go out to conduct safety, chemical, environmental, and emergency response training for companies. The same rule applies. Plus, many companies have aggressive programs to minimize and/or eliminate the use of tobacco.

Our company conducts safety and environmental audits. Even in manufacturing and maintenance companies, smokless tobacco is NOT allowed. It is also an OSHA violation if used anywhere where there is the possibility of vapors from chemicals.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 9:46 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:46:07 -0500

No it should not. It is a tobacco product just as is cigarettes. that is just my two cents.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 10:02 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 22:02:42 -0500

I believe it should. I mean I get the issue. A lot of people especially the ones who didn't grow up in the south don't like the look, sound, or smell of a nice fat dip but that shouldn't make against regulation. This is the military. We are support to be tough mentally and physically. Now the way I see it complaing because you don't like it is like complaining to the Commander that you didn't like the MRE you were given for chow or that the ride on the C-130 was to bumpy and that you never got the inflight movie and peanuts.

Response by SFC Pete Meyer made Mar 2 at 2015 10:04 PM

SFC Pete Meyer — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 22:04:20 -0500

Stay in your own lane. And quit trying to tell others what they can or can't do .... You will be happier ....

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 10:05 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 22:05:16 -0500

Nope, its a tabacco product, smokers have to go outside the fence so should the dippers

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 10:07 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 22:07:33 -0500

It's a nasty habit that I'd like to see go away personally... but it's not my call to make. Just keep your nasty dip spit in a sealable bottle and make sure that shit gets disposed of regularly.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 10:33 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 22:33:08 -0500

It's just nasty. Especially when they dip in a can.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 10:42 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 22:42:09 -0500

Nope. It's disgusting, unprofessional, and can be distracting. Besides, DoD policy is 100% against it.

Response by LCpl Amber Grove made Mar 2 at 2015 11:08 PM

LCpl Amber Grove — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 23:08:41 -0500

I rather them dip then to smoke, they are only harming themselves by dipping. Now as far as spit containers I believe that it shouldn't be a clear/see through bottle.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 12:05 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 00:05:24 -0500

If it's a taped bottle who cares. Smokers have to leave the office space and then come back in stinking like a Marlboro. Let dippers dip where they want as long as you can't see what's in it.

Response by CPL Tim Enlow made Mar 3 at 2015 12:09 AM

CPL Tim Enlow — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 00:09:53 -0500

Office....no. Unprofessional. Out in the field....absolutely.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 12:58 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 00:58:27 -0500

So im a submariner and well i cant smoke underway and the vaporizors taste like shit and give me a headache but we use (unused) urinalysis bottles and put electric tape around em. I use mine in civi attire as well. Its discreet and doesnt bulge in pockets in uniform

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 12:58 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 00:58:56 -0500

Why bother? There's more important things than this bs. Go complain about something else.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 1:51 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 01:51:20 -0500

All you pussies. Oh no someone's spitting dip spit it's so nasty. Yeah everyone does something that others think is nasty suck it the fuck up. It's dip we are harming our selfs and no one else by if you'd like I could put a bunch of smoke in the air and in your lungs so you can die

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 2:28 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 02:28:21 -0500

AR 600-63

7–3. Policy for controlling tobacco use
a. Tobacco use is prohibited in all DA-occupied workplaces except for designated smoking areas, as authorized by DODI 1010.15, Smoke-Free DOD Facilities. The workplace includes any area inside a building or facility over which DA has custody and control, and where work is performed by military personnel, civilians, or persons under contract to the Army.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 3:42 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 03:42:32 -0500

I can understand not chewing but I see nothing wrong with snus or dip. Definitely either gut it or use a covered container that is not clear. I do also think this is more of a at the discretion of who ever is in charge of your shop.

Response by AA Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 3:48 AM

AA Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 03:48:27 -0500

I think as long as it doesn't interfere with work getting done, it's fine. Also it should be in a closed container where you can't spill it when you're not spitting, and it shouldn't be clear, so as not to disgust others who disapprove, if that's a problem (such as a recruiting station for example). Mud jugs are also great to use. I love mine.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 4:19 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 04:19:42 -0500

Honestly there are certain persons in the military that believe it should not be allowed. Although I admire them voicing their opinions, they should realize we who do chew/dip do not do so to "gross out" others but to be able to put up with all the stupid bullshit that comes down the ladder. As a Combat Engineer the things I look forward to are cold beer, tons of whiskey, my next dip, and making shit go boom. Take away one of those and bad shit could happen.

Response by CW2 Eric Scott made Mar 3 at 2015 4:20 AM

CW2 Eric Scott — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 04:20:38 -0500

I've always said that dipping in the workplace is about the same as swearing in the workplace. You knew you were joining the military, which deals in killing, or the support of killing of the enemies of the United States of America. If you have a fundamental problem with someone else dipping, swearing, or picking their nose, there is a good chance that I might want you in my fighting position with me.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 4:31 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 04:31:10 -0500

Some people detest coffee, soda, tea, energy drinks, and people who eat in their offices. So are they going to try to ban consumption of anything within the work place because some people don't like seeing it? What effect does me chewing have on others? So realistically it should come down to if you don't like changing diapers don't have kids, if you don't like bananas don't eat em. You don't like me chewing, well I don't like that you are forcing you beliefs and desires upon me.

Response by Cpl Bo Dronet made Mar 3 at 2015 5:27 AM

Cpl Bo Dronet — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 05:27:08 -0500

It was no big deal when I was in. Officer and enlisted were chewing. I do remember seeing some females chewing that was disturbing.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 5:35 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 05:35:57 -0500

I'm so glad that this is the new latest 'crisis' that the Army (DoD at large) is tackling right now. I wonder if I (and many other soldiers) will be compensated for the countless man hours wasted on issues like this.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 6:52 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 06:52:34 -0500

This has always been a touchy subject. I have been a dipper for a long time and unlike other chewers, I do not use a spitter. So how does it affect others around me? it does not at all. It should be allowed.

Just food for thought i am in a USAREC course right now and since I could not use chew because no tobacco is allowed in gov. buildings, I opted for tobacco free chew. It is basically a place holder for it, and initially I was allowed to use it but eventually I was told I couldn't because it "looked like" tobacco products......

Response by 1SG William Svoboda made Mar 3 at 2015 8:34 AM

1SG William Svoboda — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 08:34:32 -0500

I was reading the army echos this morning and saw this article which states more clearer my last response An ounce of prevention goes a long way to make health last
By Lt. Col. Sandra Keelin, Registered Dietitian, U.S. Army Public Health Command
The average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, and, although we are living longer lives, we are not necessarily
living healthier lives. Obesity, a major cause of preventable disease and premature death, is on the rise among older
Americans and military retirees. Retired Soldiers (age 40-59 years) who had an appointment in military treatment
facilities last year had a higher rate of obesity (53% for males and 42% for females) when compared to the general
population (39% for both males and females). The rate of obesity for military retirees 60 years and older was 42%.

You worked hard to reach this point in your life and preserving your health now will allow you to fully enjoy the next 20-
40 years of life. A 2013 study conducted by Edelman Berland showed that the boomer generation (those ages 48-67)
desire a healthy, active retirement, but tend to overlook their health, nutrition, and fitness. Fifty percent of the younger
boomers reported that although health is important – they are too busy to focus on it. How do you envision the next
decade(s) of your life? Are you too busy for your health? What excuses have you made?
There is no better time than now to make better choices to improve your health to make it last! The choices you make today will
have a lasting impact on the quality your life – regardless if you are just starting your second career after military retirement or are
fully retired. For tips on making your health last a lifetime, start by following the basics of the U.S. Army Performance Triad.
• Get 7- 8 hours of quality sleep each night. Sleep is vital
for health, overall well-being, mental health and
maintaining a healthy weight. If you do not get enough
sleep, you may feel irritable, have memory problems, be
forgetful, feel depressed, have more falls or accidents,
or feel very sleepy during the day. Talk to your
healthcare provider if you are having trouble sleeping
(falling asleep or staying asleep) or if you are always
feeling fatigued or tired. You may have a medical issue
or need help with a sleep schedule.
• Get moving. Exercise and physical activity is essential for good health. Staying active can help you stay
independent; have more energy; improve your balance; maintain a healthy weight; prevent or delay some diseases
like heart disease, diabetes, and osteoporosis; and improve your mood. Include 30 minutes of physical activity in
your daily routine – walk, ride a bike, dance, climb stairs – just keep moving! Walk 10,000 steps daily and remember
to include strengthening exercises to maintain strong muscles!
• Eat healthfully! Make smart food choices that will provide you with the nutrients you need – eat a variety of foods,
plenty of colorful fruits and vegetables, low-fat protein rich foods, and whole-grains. Make your calories count and
avoid foods that are “empty calories” – they contribute calories with little nutritional value (chips, sodas, cookies,
and alcohol). Lastly, drink plenty of liquids; preferably water and low-calorie, low-sugar beverages to stay hydrated.
For information on the Performance Triad visit http://armymedicine.mil/Pages/performance-triad.aspx . For additional information on
Healthy Aging/Longevity visit the National Institute on Aging at http://www.nia.nih.gov/health/featured/healthy-aging-longevity .
Visit your local Army Wellness Center (AWC) for more information on healthy sleep habits, weight management and
metabolic testing, body composition analysis, exercise testing and exercise prescription, nutrition education, wellness
coaching, and stress management education. To locate the AWC nearest you, visit
http://phc.amedd.army.mil/organization/institute/dhpw/Pages/ArmyWellnessCentersOperation.aspx .

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 8:46 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 08:46:53 -0500

I didn't read all 167 responses so this may have been said already but this is what AR 600-63 has to offer

"7–3. Policy for controlling tobacco use
a.Tobacco use is prohibited in all DA-occupied workplaces except for designated
smoking areas, as authorized by DODI 1010.15, Smoke-Free DOD Facilities. The
workplace includes any area inside a building or facility over which DA has custody and
control, and where work is performed by military personnel, civilians, or persons under
contract to the Army.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 8:57 AM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 08:57:00 -0500

Copenhagen keeps me on point life ain't right without a dip in

Response by Cpl Peter Martuneac made Mar 3 at 2015 10:04 AM

Cpl Peter Martuneac — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 10:04:05 -0500

I think that should be up to each individual business owner.

Response by LTC Andrew Loeb made Mar 3 at 2015 12:38 PM

LTC Andrew Loeb — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 12:38:30 -0500

Workplaces come in many different shapes and sizes, I apply common sense to the subordinates that work for me. If you keep it contained and your not talking with a swollen jaw to me or your coworkers, then it is tolerated. The minute you spill your bottle or can't apply situational awareness to your surroundings, you've lost the privilege to be tolerated.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 1:19 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:19:17 -0500

Smokeless tobacco should be at the discretion of the individuals in that work place. If someone gets grossed out by it they need to say something and the offenders have to stop and just deal with it.

Response by LCpl Jonathan Haley made Mar 3 at 2015 1:24 PM

LCpl Jonathan Haley — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:24:36 -0500

Does a bear shit in the woods? Yes, so who the fuck cares if you dip or not.

Response by AN Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 1:41 PM

AN Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:41:53 -0500

I support it, just not the bottles. They sell online many varieties of portable spittoons, and they are not only spillproof, but they are not transparent so you cant see the spit.

Response by SSG Rob Cline made Mar 3 at 2015 1:42 PM

SSG Rob Cline — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:42:04 -0500

I used to do it all when it came to tobacco. Dip in my office, smoke a cig on the way to the flight line; dip in the bird (I had a special ammo pouch designated as my spit bottle holder), smoke when we refueled (away from the bird, DUH!), and then smoke a cigar after MC.
Afghanistan Rocked!!!
Now I vape, so....

If it bothers you, don't look at it. If you're the 'Dipper', hide your spitter. Respect others' wishes, not just your own. Yeah, it goes for both parties concerned.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 1:43 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:43:15 -0500

I would say no don't on the fact that tobacco is tobacco. If I were a company 1SG, I would not want to come into ops and speak to someone on a professional level while they have a big ass dip in. If your in the field or deployed, great! But a garrison environment on duty at your desk is not the place for it. It is just not professional. I dip, but ypu bet ur ass inwmt be while speaking to a superior.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 1:55 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:55:07 -0500

Meh. Better than second-hand smoke.

Response by SGT Kevin Smith made Mar 3 at 2015 2:07 PM

SGT Kevin Smith — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 14:07:48 -0500

One of my last assignments before I Retired was as an instructor, and that was one of my pet peeves was the clear bottle and just leaving it. It is my opinion is that that is nasty and bad for health. That being said, I am aware people use it for whatever reasons I just demanded that it was a closed, non clear bottle and that it was policed up at both Lunch and end of the day.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 2:15 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 14:15:40 -0500

Make people use Mud Jugs

Response by PO2 Mercedes Somich made Mar 3 at 2015 2:23 PM

PO2 Mercedes Somich — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 14:23:51 -0500

I had a friend that did it on 12 hour watches, but only after 1600 when most people had left the hospital and it was just the two of us. She was an EP sailor, won BJOQ. I never had a problem with it. There's a time/place for everything.

Response by SSG Clinton Tyler made Mar 3 at 2015 2:47 PM

SSG Clinton Tyler — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 14:47:31 -0500

It all depends on the situation you are in. I have been a smokeless tobacco for many many years. You have to respect your surroundings and the people in them. If I'm in the field it is one thing. If I'm in a job interview it is another. It is all situational.

Response by SGM Lonnie Durand made Mar 3 at 2015 4:56 PM

SGM Lonnie Durand — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 16:56:41 -0500

While I don't begrudge anyone's choice to use tabacco, imo having those bottles in the office is nasty.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 6:53 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 18:53:04 -0500

All I'll say is: tobacco is bad, alcohol is bad, don't have sex (homosexual sex is probably ok, haven't seen the reg yet). If you aren't spending your free time in the gym or a college classroom, you are failing as a military member and failing your country. Don't dare leave on time because someone needs to make an 80 slide power point for the Commander's pre-meeting to the meeting.

PS: We'll call you when you are on leave to find out where the excel spreadsheet for the fun run is. And don't dare be chewing tobacco while on leave either.

PPS: When you come back from leave, be prepared to be counseled on not saluting the GS-13s car.

Response by SCPO Scott Gaynor made Mar 3 at 2015 7:31 PM

SCPO Scott Gaynor — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 19:31:24 -0500

No it's disgusting habit and it also cause many medical issues

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 7:44 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 19:44:53 -0500

If they can chew or w.e then let smokers smoke in the office area thats all i got.

Response by Cpl Patrick Hunt made Mar 3 at 2015 8:28 PM

Cpl Patrick Hunt — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 20:28:51 -0500

Hell yeah

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 9:14 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 21:14:20 -0500

Let it vary with your chain of command. If you're infantry, hell yeah everybody does it but if you're some legal admin or water purificationist, i guess that's different.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 9:17 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 21:17:08 -0500

A couple weeks ago I had a lot of work to do on the computer. I am a smoker but I do put in a dip to keep from having to stop work to venture off to the smoke pit. I was told by my TSgt that that was inappropriate and I needed to take it out. He claimed it was as bad as second hand smoke. I always keep a small power aid bottle in my pocket that is always sealed unless in use. I honestly don't see the problem in using this method. If you think about it it is no worse than people smacking on their gum and then smashing it to the underside of the table. What I am saying is that there are clearly other problems that should be dealt with prior to worrying if I have a dip in.

Response by PO3 Amanda Crippes (Powell) made Mar 3 at 2015 9:33 PM

PO3 Amanda Crippes (Powell) — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 21:33:21 -0500

I hated when all the guys dipped in my office, but I sucked it up and went about my business. Unfortunately it got brought up that I complained about it (not true) and all the guys had to get non-clear bottles or tape the bottles they had. It did make the nastiness a little better, but raised tension with me and everyone else for being a "snitch".

Response by SGT Tim Dickinson made Mar 3 at 2015 9:51 PM

SGT Tim Dickinson — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 21:51:30 -0500

can't smoke? can't dip.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 10:00 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:00:13 -0500

Do I think it should be allowed yes but maybe not necessarily in the workplace...now if you were to go to the break room or bathroom or if you had your own personal office then yes by all means but if you're dealing with costumers or patients on a face to face basis then no

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Mar 3 at 2015 10:11 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:11:45 -0500

Yes, no dipping or vaping in the work place as in offices. I hate seeing the bottles in the trash can and something its all in the trash can without a bottle minus a trash can liner. That stuff is gross. I also quit using about two months. I was addicted to smokeless tobacco.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 11:46 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 23:46:23 -0500

Sorry you can't throw the AR out the window just cause it doesn't fit your need. You lead by example and one tubing is to look professional. No one looks good with a dip in their lip and honestly if I can't just light up and smoke wherever I want then you can't dip wherever when ever you feel need.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 12:19 AM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 00:19:24 -0500

I may be a junior member, but we all have voices, right? With that said, i see no problem with dipping in the workplace, especially in shop areas. For tobacco users it is a good way to knock off some of the stress when a unit is buried in gremlins. The caveat to that is that if you do spit, you should use a container that is dark colored and able to be closed. Or another route you could go is to invest in a MudJug; they come in patterns such as ABU or ACU camo or desert marpat and navy blue digital, and they are designed to be spill proof and scent resistant if used correctly.

Response by CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 12:43 AM

CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 00:43:50 -0500

I think that we (as a military) have a lot more to worry about than dipping in the office. But...since I wasted my time reading some of the comments, I will say this:

If I come in your office, I'll not dip. If you come in my office and the spit cup offends you, you can execute an about face and exit.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 1:32 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 01:32:41 -0500

Not a dipper myself, but if they're not making a mess, I don't think it's an issue. It also allows more work to get done because people aren't taking breaks to dip.

Response by Sgt Pj O'Malley made Mar 4 at 2015 1:51 AM

Sgt Pj O'Malley — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 01:51:00 -0500

I grew up chewing and I still do...even as I type this... but I don't think it should be done in an environment where you come across others who are not privy to the lifestyle. Let' not kid ourselves... you shouldn't have a cud in your lip when surrounded by higher ups or people who deem it as inappropriate versus in the field with fellow sand crushers. Situational awareness always applies.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 3:58 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 03:58:02 -0500

Hey Private Dirt Bag! Want to know how to get out of trouble when the Sergeant/Commander wants to discipline you? Just file a complaint with EO or IG pointing out the fact that the Sergeant/Commander regularly ignores Soldiers violation regulations all the time and is just targeting poor old picked on you because they don't like you or are getting back at you for something.

Given the common demographics of most smokeless tobacco users in the U.S., it is often very easy to make the argument that the Sergeant/Commander is being sexist, racist, or playing favorites with good ol boys that belong to a certain group or another. It might not work every time, but it will work more often than you might think and it will leave a semi-permanent stain on the Sergeant's/Commander's career that other dirt bag Soldiers can take advantage of later. Get together with several of your dirt bag friends and you can each file a new complaint whenever the Sergeant/Commander tries to discipline one of you. Compromised leaders guilty of ignoring regulation violations will be too busy defending themselves to worry too much about prosecuting you for your violation.

Response by FN Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 4:59 AM

FN Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 04:59:53 -0500

Yes, it shoukd he allowed in the work spaces!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 5:19 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 05:19:00 -0500

As a mechanic it is nice to work with some music and a dip in, i only use twist top containers so i can keep it from spilling, cause there's nothing worse. With this said, i thought a long time ago i was i was joining the US army not the salvation army. So let me dip, get tattoos, grow a magnificent and do whatever else i can to try and intimidate the enemies.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 6:19 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 06:19:17 -0500

First I will preface my comment with: I both dip and chew. Policy is quite clear that it is unacceptable, however it is useless to use these products as directed (on the smoke-deck). I believe this is common to all services. In practice though, on the ship, our immediate leadership allowed us to use smokeless tobacco in our berthings (sleeping areas) and our workspaces with the understanding that it would be in a bottle and said bottle was duct taped to obscure the visual aspect. I don't really see that as a problem, but we were never allowed to use them in communal areas (not listed) nor would we be allowed to brief anyone while using.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 10:39 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 10:39:00 -0500

I really don't mind as long as they act professional and don't do it in the wrong place at the wrong time. Our OIC hates seeing the bottles around the office, but she didn't stop them, all they have to do is cover the bottle with tape or just hide it. This didn't affect our work environment because it was the right way to do something about it.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 10:39 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 10:39:18 -0500

You know reading this made me wanna put a dip in

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 10:52 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 10:52:01 -0500

I don't chew or dip. That being said, it does not bother me. It's not like smoking which affects me. I don't think you should give a brief with a packed lip. I also don't think you should give a brief with a mouth full of gum. This is not that big a deal. Just my opinion.

Response by SSgt Tim Ricci made Mar 4 at 2015 11:48 AM

SSgt Tim Ricci — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 11:48:38 -0500

I was in the Militarty for 22 years and Dipped the whole time!! Maybe it was good to go for me cause in Jr High and High School we had to learn to swallow it as not to get caught! No Problem in my opinion!

Response by SSG Paul Lanciault made Mar 4 at 2015 12:55 PM

SSG Paul Lanciault — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 12:55:07 -0500

Response by SPC Chris Benamati made Mar 4 at 2015 4:18 PM

SPC Chris Benamati — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 16:18:35 -0500

I also work in an office environment and I dip. I don't think it's professional to just keep your "spit bottle" sitting on top of your desk for all to see since it is pretty nasty. I keep mine in my desk drawer and only take it out to use it or discard it, and even then I lean over my drawer and keep the bottle hidden to use it out of respect for the other people in my office. Are you having a problem with someone?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 5:42 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:42:56 -0500

The appearance of the spit bottle seems to be what everyone is disgusted about. But why? People smoke and there's cigarette but ts everywhere. Regardless of how many people try to keep the areas clean. In most cases dippers, like myself, spit in disposable containers to keep the area clean. No spitting in sinks or water fountains. The dip spitter is probably the most responsible solution of all less desirable fixations. If you cant handle a little dip can or bottle (provided the environment isn't one of formal appearance) take your little princess tiara off your head and put it in your pocket. We are in the military. Look good on the parade field but unleash hell on the battlefield. It's not all glamor and pink. Suck it up buttercup.

Response by 1SG Wayne Harvin made Mar 4 at 2015 6:29 PM

1SG Wayne Harvin — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 18:29:46 -0500

No I think its a disgrace and dispprectful toward others who don't chew and dip

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 6:54 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 18:54:05 -0500

If a Naval Engineer cannot dip, is he really an engineer?

Response by PV2 David Minnicks made Mar 4 at 2015 7:27 PM

PV2 David Minnicks — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 19:27:59 -0500

I absolutely wouldn't promote and in fact I have done everything possible to prevent or dissuade my son and nephews from doing this unhealthy habit. That said I started when I was eight and have made many unsuccessful attempts to quit. I have a dip in most waking hours and did this when I was an active duty service member and while working in an office. I at one point was the sole male with sixty three females that directly reported to me none of which ever knew that I had a dip in. At my one of my most recent places of employ they only learned that I chewed during the tobacco screening portion of our open enrollment since tobacco users will have to pay a monthly surcharge until they go six months tobacco free. My answer is if you can chew or dip without drawing attention including the use of a spit receptacle or making a mess in your work environment then you should be allowed however if you are a slob and use a spitter of any type you are no go.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 8:03 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 20:03:04 -0500

No not at all! It indicates a level of unprofessional efforts at best.

Response by SSG Skylur Britz made Mar 4 at 2015 10:44 PM

SSG Skylur Britz — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 22:44:35 -0500

As long as you police your container, I could give a sh*t. I've also known soldiers who just work better with a dip in.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 10:50 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 22:50:44 -0500

Yes it should.

Response by Cpl Chuck Floyd made Mar 5 at 2015 12:22 AM

Cpl Chuck Floyd — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 00:22:14 -0500

In my opinion, it is no worse that watching people chug gallons of soda daily. To each his own. I prefer it gutted if you are in an office or at least be courteous and have a sealed container. In the trash can is disgusting. And I digress, it's now worse than a coffee filter full of coffee in the can either. Not is it anymore sickening than a 24+oz. cup of soda dropped into a trash can.

Response by MGySgt Michael Majercin made Mar 5 at 2015 1:21 AM

MGySgt Michael Majercin — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:21:59 -0500

I started dipping in Jr high and quit shortly after pinning on GySgt. Common sense and "dip etiquette" should prevail. There's along list but here are a few that I used to abide by. Not while public speaking, don't spit in a trash can someone else has to empty, be discrete with your spit cup/bottle, be aware of your surroundings...if you have to ask "should I?" The answer is no.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 1:45 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:45:33 -0500

No.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 6:17 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:17:55 -0500

The way i see it, if your complaining about the people dipping and your in the military your not doing your job as a soldier. Why are you so concerned with other people spitting in a bottle than your own work. I personally dip, i would much rather have someone spitting all the time than smelling like cigs. But either way im not gonna bitch about it

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 9:50 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 09:50:07 -0500

I'm against it. A lot of people don't say anything about it because they don't want to be out casted. You'll be surprised how many people are against it. It's not about being a girl and *itching and complaining, but I spend most of my days at work I don't want to hear you spitting all day and seeing spit bottles laying around. I know a lot of people are going to say "well you don't have to put up with it, just leave" and they have a point but if you wouldn't do it around guess, Col or Gen then why would you still do it around people you spend most of your time with. If they allow this then vaporing and smoking should be allowed. But I'm also against that and I'm a ex smoker.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 11:51 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 11:51:36 -0500

There is a regulation that covers that. Asking if you should
abide by that regulation sends a message of insubordination to your Soldiers. Simply put, just follow the regulation.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Mar 5 at 2015 1:49 PM

1LT Nick Kidwell — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:49:19 -0500

Tobacco use in designated areas only. And if you MUST dip at your desk, you best learn to swallow.

Response by SSG Sean Knudsen made Mar 5 at 2015 2:02 PM

SSG Sean Knudsen — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 14:02:01 -0500

During my service, the decision allowing chew or dip in our office (where we seldom occupied), always came down to the decision of the senior ranking NCOIC and senior ranking COMMANDER with jurisdiction and control of the office and or building. Had it been my decision, as long as the chew or dip can or bottle was closed and covered to avoiding spills would have not been an issue. My service with the Infantry and Armor and EOD had its share of those that chewed tobacco. I never had an issue with those that chewed as long as they maintained their habits in a professional manner and followed our 1SG/CSM and CO's use directives.

Response by PO1 Henry Sherrill made Mar 5 at 2015 2:52 PM

PO1 Henry Sherrill — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 14:52:41 -0500

NAW. If I cannot smoke in my office then others that use smokeless tobacco products shouldn't be allowed to use theirs either.

Response by SSgt James Connolly made Mar 5 at 2015 4:12 PM

SSgt James Connolly — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 16:12:01 -0500

Hell yes, you already have too nmany people with nothing to do with the Military, making decisions for you. You fought for the freedom of this country and come home and find some hair brained person ot persons have changed your life style for you most time without you knowing about it.
How Senior leaders can come into garrison and with a straight face tell you that for your own good they are doing away with some of your freedoms of choice, NO SMOKING, NO DIPPING shit you have done for years , never had a problem with and they are telling you it is not your right anymore because it's not morale or politicaly correct. Screw the wives clubs and policy makers who are not even in your military but have some great connections.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 4:50 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 16:50:25 -0500

I don't care until it comes to cleaning up after people who leave their spit bottles around the office or having to police call cigarette butts when I don't smoke. Police yourselves and I have no issue with what habits you have.

Response by Sgt Marcus Heady made Mar 5 at 2015 7:08 PM

Sgt Marcus Heady — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:08:06 -0500

Yes its gross, yes it smells bad, yes it can make a mess. But all this can also be done by the food someone brings in from home. Someone can take offense to the odor of coffee, tea or whatever else. I think things like this are comical at best because it shows the quickly diminishing focus on military tactics and the rapid growth on matters of being politically correct. I grew up with 4 generations of Marines and have heard countless stories. It is my belief that our forefathers would be rolling over in their graves over the leaps and bounds we take to make sure we don't offend anyones precious sensibilities.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 7:20 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:20:32 -0500

I think its among the least of our worries.

Response by PO2 David Hagwood made Mar 5 at 2015 7:44 PM

PO2 David Hagwood — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:44:47 -0500

I don't think it's really a big deal as long as people keep it clean and don't leave dip bottles just laying around all the time. I also don't like when people clog drains with that crap. I like that it allows people who dip to stay productive without taking a break to smoke or whatever to get their nicotine fix. Some people could burn over an hour-a-day, after several trips, of productivity just waiting in line to go smoke or dip. I don't know if that kind of thing is an issue in the other services; but if you are on a ship, there's only on or two designated spaces on a ship to allow people to smoke and this causes a long lines due to a limited number of personnel restrictions. I think the eCigs are a big improvement over the dip, though. There are no nasty bottles, no lines for cigarettes, and they don't really bother anyone.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 9:11 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:11:44 -0500

Personally, I believe it is up to the person to person basis. If you are irresponsible of course it's gross.. but so is not flushing the toilet and I can't count the times I have walked in on a full head.. should we make that illegal too.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 9:41 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:41:18 -0500

No it's fucking disgusting. We as service members claim to have a higher standard of how we present ourselves as professionals in the workplace and in day to day living. What kind of impression does spitting brown shit into plastic bottles give?

Response by SSG Robert Quayle III made Mar 6 at 2015 12:15 AM

SSG Robert Quayle III — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:15:12 -0500

No, it's friggen disgusting and it inevitably gets spilled making the whole area smell like ass.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 12:53 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:53:48 -0500

Yes. Next question. If it is "the nasty a** bottle of s**t colored spit" that bothers you (and it seems to be as that is the premise of your argument as stated), don't look at it.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 4:41 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 04:41:36 -0500

No, you can take it outside with your cigarettes like everyone else. It's a distractor and presents an unprofessional appearance. I'm not necessarily talking in general, though. I see it all the time in meetings with command elements. The spit bottles are disgusting. It's bad enough I see it going titno coke cans, but at least you cant see that nasty shit. Read the regulation though. It's clear cut! Until the regulation changes, just dont do it.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 5:20 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 05:20:53 -0500

While I do find it disgusting, I honestly do not care if someone is dipping. It is their choice. However, if you are addressing someone or giving instructions then wait until you are finished to put it in.

Side note. One of my past Battalion Commanders would dip all of the time and he would always have a cup of coffee. He would spit in his coffee and drink it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 9:07 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:07:06 -0500

Although I am aware of the regs here, I see it as a smoker takes a break to burn one and thats 5 to 10 minutes a pop on lost work, where the smokless users can continue being productive even during their usage. As long as its discrete and they can be decent enough to clean up after themselves, why the hell not.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 9:12 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:12:39 -0500

I don't care, make your rules, I'll have one in anyways! As long as it doesn't affect how the person works, it shouldn't be a problem. Don't like it? Avert your eyes elsewhere! You have your own papers to push.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 9:19 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:19:07 -0500

Yes, Popeye has his spinach I have my Copenhagen. How am I supposed to fight the freedom hating horde from my desk if I do not have a copious amount of Copenhagen in my mouth?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 9:34 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:34:10 -0500

Federal mandate states all tobaco products are not to be used inside a federal building.. people dip all the time and i correct them all the time..but the same ones continue to do it...do you want to know why you dont see UCMJ here its because 90% of the smokeless tobaco use us officers and a majority are rangers..take dip away and i think the army would fall apart...they cant seem to function without the crap . Personaly i think its disgusting habit and it should continue to be a federal mandate not to use tobaco in any shape or form in any federal building.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 9:41 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:41:03 -0500

Rather have a spitter sitting there than the asshole next to me smelling up the office like an ashtray.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 9:50 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:50:35 -0500

According to our Navy Regs you have to have a specific size bottle, and it has to be blackened out so you cannot see the spint inside

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 10:07 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:07:21 -0500

If it weren't for dip I don't think I'd ever get through a day at work my command makes us tape out bottles up so people don't see the spit

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 12:52 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:52:26 -0500

I say yes and no. I used to be one of those guys with a lip full of dip and spitting in a bottle. I say that if they are sitting around not doing anything, why not. But if they leave their bottle sitting on a table/desk and walk away...take it away from them. I also must say that if they are engaged in work, all tobacco use should be stopped. If you are working on an aircraft or a vehicle in the motorpool, you should not have a dip in or have a spit bottle around, especially when working on an aircraft. I've had to stop Soldiers from dipping while they worked on an aircraft in the past, when asked why I explained to them that the bottle they are spitting in is FOD. So I am both for and against it.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Mar 6 at 2015 2:22 PM

PO1 Glenn Boucher — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 14:22:26 -0500

I am not against tobacco use of any sort, its a personal choice, I used to smoke, tried chewing tobacco and tried dipping, didn't work out.
I had to correct some of my sailors in the galley about dipping, they thoughts its okay because its not smoking in the galley, but they were always spitting into their bottles that they kept in their back pocket of their cooks pants. Its unsanitary to use dip in food service spaces, no if's, and's or but's about it, its a sanitation issue.
So to allow it would open it up to where you can dip and where you can't. Since you can't dip in food service spaces you will have those assigned there whining about why they are not allowed to dip when everyone else can.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 3:24 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 15:24:01 -0500

If you don't chew you're a communist. As long as you're not chewing in formation aand have a bottle or gut it you're fine.

Response by CW4 Brian Haas made Mar 6 at 2015 3:39 PM

CW4 Brian Haas — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 15:39:56 -0500

It only bothers me when inconsiderate ones leave their bottles places...on my deks, in the cockpit, etc...

Response by CPT Christopher Goss made Mar 6 at 2015 7:58 PM

CPT Christopher Goss — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 19:58:44 -0500

Wow, guys and gals. Simple question, and many unrelated responses. We're not debating the content or applicability of AR 600-63, Navy/USMC/AF equivalent, or DODI 1010.15. OP asked if chewing or dipping SHOULD be allowed, not if it was allowed, nor if we, as leaders, enforced the regs.

My personal opinion is that it should NOT be allowed (and I'm a user) in an office environment (which again is referenced in OP's question). My reasons are many, but primarily, it's aggravating as hell to a smoker or non-dipper to hear the constant "pfft" into a bottle. And, every time the damn bottle opens, that foul smell emanates throughout the office/classroom/etc. The simple knowledge that dippers are using tobacco products is enough to cause a smoker to go into a nicotine fit, reducing readiness and increasing tensions and the likelihood there's going to be a minor error OR there's going to be an unscheduled cigarette break.

Now, if we're referencing AR 600-63's definition of "workplace," rather than OP's, I think some concessions need to be made. First of all, in a tactical vehicle, while legally a "workplace," dip all you want to. Shit, smoke. We're not worried about health and safety, we're not worried about PC, we're not worried about appearances and smell, we're worried about coming back alive. If it relieves your stress and increases YOUR readiness (not what the DA considers readiness), by all means, use your tobacco.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 8:50 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 20:50:37 -0500

I'll never forget the face of one of my old coworkers when he mistakenly drank from the wrong bottle. Both his spit bottle and his drinking bottle were opaque. It made my day.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2015 9:47 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Mar 2015 09:47:20 -0500

I chew all the time and spit in a bottle. But I don't do it into a clear bottle. Most of the time I cover it up with duct tape and I use it as a permanent bottle

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2015 9:51 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Mar 2015 09:51:02 -0500

I don't mind it as long as the person is respectful of those around them.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2015 10:20 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:20:35 -0400

Just put duct tape around the water bottle if people you work with are a bunch of whiners problem solved.

Response by PV2 Alaina Norman made Mar 11 at 2015 12:30 PM

PV2 Alaina Norman — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 12:30:09 -0400

I worked in a infantry training environment where this was normal accurance and normally i wouldn't care to much depending on where location or situation but i did have one not great experience. Sitting at table in morning having a meeting. NO JOKE i had one drill sgt on each side; both chewing. I had the spit cup basically passed in front of me to other person, im surprised i didn't know up.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 12:32 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 12:32:00 -0400

I feel as though it should be allowed but with restrictions. The same can go for electronic cigarettes. If your coworkers are non dippers or non vapers then you owe it to them to respect their opinions and take it elsewhere without hindering work productivity.

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 4:37 PM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:37:31 -0400

I fully support banning chewing tobacco in the workplace. I cannot count how many times I've briefed with someone who was dipping while briefing. It looks and smells nasty and should not be tolerated in a professional environment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 6:07 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 18:07:44 -0400

Absolutely not. It makes me sick to be working or talking with someone then they start spitting. It's unprofessional and unsanitary (and disgusting).

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 6:14 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 18:14:14 -0400

I personally chew, but I cover the bottle with duct tape (that I purchased) so it's obviously a dip bottle and not visible. That being said, the whining mentality of the Army today is sad. Who cares? It's "gross" to look at? I didn't realize they started issuing wamburgers and French cries to soldiers.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 6:25 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 18:25:02 -0400

I have never dipped. I don't have a problem with it as long as soldiers throw thier dip cups away, and make sure there is a lid on it. I am a smoker and have recently switched to the electronic cigarette. I just personally believe that if soldiers are allowed to dip, then I should be able to use my vaporizer. All it produces is a sweet smelling vapor (which is an improvement on the smell in most offices that I've been in.). Just my two cents.

Response by LCpl Hector Verduzco made Mar 11 at 2015 8:16 PM

LCpl Hector Verduzco — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:16:21 -0400

That's a negative. I believe chewing or dipping should not be allowed in a workplace/office environment. An office environment need to be presentable.

Response by SSG Keith Bodiford (Ret) made Mar 11 at 2015 11:46 PM

SSG Keith Bodiford (Ret) — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 23:46:54 -0400

First thing first you have to be clean with it. I have been complimented because the person had no idea I dipped until they saw me put one in one day.

Second, I could care less if I offend you because I dip.

I have many other productive things to worry about, unlike those that smoke and ensure they get their smoke breaks, then come back in smelling the place up.

I am a professional, but you will find me dipping rather than not. If I have a bottle I ALWAYS cover the outside so that it doesn't show.

sorry but it is possible to be professional and still dip.

Response by HN Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2015 4:43 AM

HN Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:43:26 -0400

I say yes. Im very new to the military so I'm not sure what the official rule says. Im currently at a training command for HM's. Tobacco is not authorized at all here (which i guess is understandable because we are boots). I have heard of talks about banning tobacco in the Navy. I don't think thats fair. When i started (dipping), i was told its ok to do it, but someone shouldn't be able to tell you have one in. Meaning you shouldn't have a fat lump in your lip and you shouldn't be spitting everywhere or in a bottle. Man up and swallow it. If everybody that dips followed that rule, I don't even think this would be an issue.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2015 11:58 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Mar 2015 11:58:32 -0400

According to AR 600-63 prohibits the use of tobacco products within 50ft of any government building. So this question does not come down to "how do you feel about this?" but what does the regulation state.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2015 3:58 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:58:23 -0400

Regulations state no. Putting that aside, my personal thoughts on the matter say different. I myself do not dip, though if someone around me is, it does not effect me in any way. As long as they clean up after themselves and keep track with their spit bottles... and NEVER put them on my desk... I see no issues with it.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2015 6:13 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:13:56 -0400

When in the field I see no problem but in an office you should be professional and that means cleanliness. Kind of disgusting seeing a bottle of chew or dip just sitting there especially if they spill it. No I would tell my Marines to take that shit somewhere else.

Response by CPL Jesse Vasconcelos made Mar 25 at 2015 9:58 PM

CPL Jesse Vasconcelos — Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:58:48 -0400

It should be held to the same standards as smoking. In designated areas only. Every has their poison.

Response by TSgt John Cohrone made Mar 27 at 2015 12:38 PM

TSgt John Cohrone — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 12:38:53 -0400

If smokers need to go to a Tobacco Use area...so do dippers. There is a reason it isnt called Smoke Pit anymore. Take that nasty crap outside.

Response by SSG Willis Baker made Mar 31 at 2015 9:49 PM

SSG Willis Baker — Tue, 31 Mar 2015 21:49:25 -0400

My answer is no. If you can't smoke you can't dip or chew. Do you know what it is like to pick up a coke can off your desk and someone used it to spit in. I had to deal with it during Desert Storm when our two Captains spit out the back of a M577 Command Track in the Bde TOC.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 6:58 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Apr 2015 06:58:19 -0400

The use of smokeless tobacco increases the risk of blisters (and further reducing the combat capabilities of Soldiers)

Mil Med. 1999 Feb;164(2):92-7.
Risk factors for foot blisters during road marching: tobacco use, ethnicity, foot type, previous illness, and other factors.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10050563/
Three hundred thirty-nine freshmen participating in cadet basic training at the U.S. Military Academy completed a questionnaire that asked them about their previous military experience, gender, ethnicity, injuries and illness experienced in the last 12 months, foot type, cigarette smoking habits, smokeless tobacco use, alcohol consumption, and sleep habits. They then performed a 21-km road march in about 6.5 hours. Their feet were examined for blisters before and after the march. Univariate analysis showed that risk factors for foot blisters included ethnicity (blacks at lower risk than others), a sickness in the last 12 months, no previous active duty military experience, use of smokeless tobacco, and flat feet (pes planus). Logistic regression indicated that all of these were independent blister risk factors with the exception of no previous active duty military experience.

Risk factors for foot blisters during road marching: tobacco use, ethnicity, foot type, previous...

Mil Med. 1999 Feb;164(2):92-7.

Response by PO3 Eric Ross made Apr 3 at 2015 8:49 AM

PO3 Eric Ross — Fri, 03 Apr 2015 08:49:32 -0400

No worse than chewing gum in my opinion so if you allow on you should allow the other. And I don't dip anymore so I'm no bias.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 5:31 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Apr 2015 05:31:38 -0400

Tobacco use in the workplace encourages "experimenting" with tobacco by non-users, thus leading to more tobacco addicts. Current military service members who smoke, 36-40% started smoking AFTER joining the military. Many of the military’s current cigarette smokers are dual users of smokeless tobacco.

Tobacco use in the workplace discourages tobacco addicts from successfully breaking their chemical dependence on nicotine. The simple sight or smell of tobacco products can encourage relapse.

Fewer than 1-in-5 Americans uses tobacco, but more than 30% of active-duty military personnel and about 22% of veterans use tobacco. In 2011, 12.8 percent of all military personnel reported using a smokeless tobacco product in the past month, compared to 3.2 percent of the general population. Worse, the rate of tobacco use in the military has increased since 1998.

Tobacco use in the workplace encourages other addicts (i.e. alcoholics) to relapse.

Cues that increased tobacco craving also increased craving for the subjects drug of choice

Smoking appears to slow down improvements in brain function and health in recovering alcoholics

Significantly better (addiction) recovery rates at 12 months among non-tobacco users than tobacco users, especially if the drug of choice was alcohol or narcotics

Nicotine Replacement Therapy was developed in Sweden during the 1970s as a means to
assist submariners with their tobacco addiction is now the cornerstone of tobacco dependence treatment.

Tobacco use costs DoD an estimated $1.6 billion annually on tobacco related expenses (tobacco related medical care, increased hospitalization, and lost days of work).

Tobacco use is the best predictor of early discharge from the military and results in over $130 million in excess training costs per year.

Should tobacco use be allowed in the workplace? Is tobacco use really a "personal choice that doesn't harm anyone"?

Response by LCpl Kevin Jackson made Apr 7 at 2015 12:26 AM

LCpl Kevin Jackson — Tue, 07 Apr 2015 00:26:03 -0400

I think if it doesn't interfere with the job, why would it matter? If the individual is just as/more productive with a pinch why not allow it? Personally I am not great with paper work, when i dip i can concentrate on it better and I am over all more productive.

Response by SFC Ronnie Seaton Jr made Apr 9 at 2015 11:09 AM

SFC Ronnie Seaton Jr — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 11:09:56 -0400

I will vote yes on this subject. For the following reasons:
1 most of the people who do it police themselves and leave no trash behind
2 most do it as an alternative to smoking
3 no second hand smoke or dip, no cigarette butts on the ground
Now I tried it when I was younger and it was not for me. When I was a 13F we couldn't smoke so this was the next best thing. So just because I do like it is not enough for me to say no.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 1:42 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 13:42:12 -0400

This may get me in trouble but at this point I really dislike a few of the people on this thread,

I for one chew all the time but when I am in uniform you cant see it or even know I have it in. While it is against policy to have Smokeless tobacco in while in a DOD facility I get that... No Problem... But it is also against DOD policy to have fake nails that are of a non neutral color.(IE the nco's that I have seen that have hot pink nails with rhinestones on them in uniform) My opinion is as a leader you have to know when to pick your battles and when to just let things slide. Does that make you a bad leader...IMHO NO it does not. The unit that I was in in the Army just about everyone Chewed... Those who didnt chew Smoked... IT was no big deal as No one left chew bottles out laying around. Its just like a commander/nco that doesnt uphold uniform standards, OR discipline standards. There is Garrison soldiers and there are Field soldiers. 9/10 times they dont function well in the opposite environment, and a good leader while trying to help them with that realizes that some battles you just cant win.

And to the CPO that keeps Jumping down peoples throats, While I respect your opinion, You seem like all you want to do is jump on people for having an opinion that doesnt go hand in hand with yours. Respectfully go kick rocks somewhere else.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 1:50 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 13:50:26 -0400

No dipping in the office. Also, anyone who works in an office shouldn't be able to wear ACU's. That's for the field and combat environment. Office workers should wear Class b's while they're not dipping!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 3:22 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 15:22:01 -0400

Now I am very new to the Army. I've been out of training for about three weeks now.
I don't see any problem with dipping in the work place. As long as that person keeps his stuff clean, doesn't bother anyone, and is doing their job to the standard then it's fine to me.There are certain cases that should be treated differently like when a higher up is in the area.

Response by SGT Tim Dickinson made Apr 10 at 2015 9:02 AM

SGT Tim Dickinson — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 09:02:58 -0400

Tobacco is tobacco. smoke or smokeless, doesn't matter. If the rules say no tobacco, then no tobacco. I know in the past, it was no "smoking", but it should be upgraded to include all tobacco products. I smoked for 35 years and it took a heart attack to get me to stop. Tobacco affects the body in all kinds of bad ways, it just depends on the route. Smoking or dip/chewing, all bad.The people around the user don't like it and should not have to be exposed. That being said, if you are outside (motor pool, in the field) and the situation allows it, then go ahead. In an office environment, then no.

Response by CPL Lane Bailey made Apr 22 at 2015 3:01 PM

CPL Lane Bailey — Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:01:54 -0400

I believe that if the federal building that you work in says no tabacco products then no you shouldn't and the ones that leave spit bottles around and spit while doing pt and then put your hand or lay down in someone's spit it's just gross or walk around in other spot all over the place I know I can pick up a cig butt but I'm not gonna clean up peoples spit

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 2:14 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 02:14:39 -0400

No. I've had to clean that up outta several trashcans and I don't think its that professional.

Response by James Jones made Apr 26 at 2015 2:21 AM

James Jones — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 02:21:24 -0400

No. There are rules against it because it's unprofessional, but it's also quite disgusting to come across someone's misplaced spitter. I guess it would be alright if you can both hide it and gut it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2015 12:37 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:37:33 -0400

I'm an AGR Soldier and have worked in armories and offices through JFHQ (state level). At each level, detatchment through state, I've found most people who dip in the office lack the professionalism to remove it when appropriate. Though personally not a fan, I'm ok with it at one's desk. However, carrying around a spit cup, spitting in trash cans, holding conversations, and attending meetings a wad of chew in one's mouth is completely unprofessional.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2015 10:02 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 22:02:48 -0400

Depends, do you spit or swallow?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2015 3:22 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Sep 2015 15:22:35 -0400

I don't see the issue, as long it's kept in a closable bottle or cup. Tobacco is still a legal substance. If we are going to start talking about all this shite, then why are we still glamorizing alcohol at military functions? (IE. Formals and balls) It's one of those things, that to me, if it isn't hindering your work performance or then what's the problem? And don't come at me with some blurb out of a regulation. I can name a crap of stuff that comes our of regulations and DODI and other literature about shit government employees aren't supposed to do, but it's done on a regular basis. Besides, do you really want a bunch of pissed off hell raising, angry service members coming into work everyday with out their caffeine and tobacco fix? I'd lose my mind if I didn't have my Levi Garrett.

Response by SSgt Tim Ricci made Sep 2 at 2015 3:48 PM

SSgt Tim Ricci — Wed, 02 Sep 2015 15:48:22 -0400

Yes

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2015 7:04 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 18 Oct 2015 07:04:24 -0400

I fear that there is an attempt to make the Army's 'office environment' appear more like a corporate office when that is not what it is. I'm a commander and I use smokeless tobacco in my office. Even if I wasn't a user, I wouldn't ban it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2015 6:47 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:47:19 -0400

I believe chewing should be allowed, but if you have to spit, take it outside.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2015 10:46 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 10:46:44 -0500

As a former "Dipper" nope! It is not professional in a civilian workplace environment.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2015 1:51 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 01:51:08 -0500

It is humorous how many addicts truly believe themselves to be rebels when they violate regulations and federal law to surrender to their addiction, reduce their military readiness, and hasten their death.

Response by SFC J Fullerton made Feb 25 at 2016 3:42 PM

SFC J Fullerton — Thu, 25 Feb 2016 15:42:40 -0500

I dipped Copenhagen for over 20 years and did it anywhere and everywhere I could get away with it. In the Army, it was, and probably still is, more "socially acceptable" than smoking. Pretty much everyone dipped, from the Bn Cdr to the CSM, on down, and the tobacco policy really only applied to smokers (even though it includes all forms of tobacco products) . That said, it is a different Army now. There are a lot of rules, regulations, and policies outside of the previously accepted norm we are were accustomed to that now have to be lived by regardless of our personal opinions. Does not set the best example to enforce one set of rules while purposely disregarding another. That would be a double standard, which is never a good thing in a professional military environment. Just my opinion.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2016 2:21 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:21:45 -0500

I see no issue with this as long as the "dipper" is respectful. Use a spitter that can be closed to the point it wont spill if it's knocked over, don't have a dip in when talking to senior personnel, don't have one in when teaching a class to Soldiers, the basic things. During the duty day if you're just accomplishing normal task's I don't see it affecting anything.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Dec 9 at 2021 11:43 AM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Thu, 09 Dec 2021 11:43:34 -0500

I'm not bothered by what other people indulge in, It's of no concern to Me and if they enjoy it and don't make a mess others have to clean then fine. Like anything clean up after Yourself and dispose of things properly and enjoy whatever You want to be it dip, chewing whatever. I'm not in the habit of minding other people's business nor do I intend to ever start.

Response by SSG Elyzabeth Cromer made Feb 12 at 2022 4:58 PM

SSG Elyzabeth Cromer — Sat, 12 Feb 2022 16:58:40 -0500

The Army only allows the smokeless tabacco to be used outside in designated smoking areas, (AR 600-23 Chapter 7-1.) Violation subjects personnel to a variety of possible administrative or disciplinary actions. If you are asking for my personal opinion; no it's nasty and smokless tabacco is a carcinagin known to cause oral cancer.