Posted on Nov 30, 2013
SGM Matthew Quick
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Let's take a look at TRULY separating the E-4s in the Army.<br><br>When a SPC is recommended and attends a promotion board and is recommended for promotion (becomes 'promotable') to Sergeant, should the Army empower our junior leaders by laterally promoting them to Corporal?<br>
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Yes.&nbsp; It allows for universal recognition of the leadership potential of that individual.&nbsp; SPC (P) are usually recognized in their platoons and units, but with CPL, the rest of the post will know that individual is striving for a higher leadership position.&nbsp; And it does not cost the Army a dime more to do so!<br>
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SFC Jere Hawkins
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Great Point and I agree, I was promoted to CPL once I was successfully recommended for promotion to SGT. I think it should be the standard.
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well, I would have to say that i do not believe CPL is a prerequisite of anything to come.(i have known some cpl's that are not very bright.) I am filling in for our ncoic on staff duty since 0900 i am and have been squad leader teamleader since 2010. I do my counselings, conduct pt, and fulfill the shoes i was to put on. if you are professional to be a nco than you do not need a cloth to show it. over the past three years I learned how to lead, train without a rank on my chest. I understand it shows your responsible for a role outside your immediate unit who knows you.

however, I.E when I worked ammo and had a drop to a range and a range ncoic told me to be here at a certain time for pick up for example. Negative, by me being the highests in charge of this ammo, i designated you call me an hour hour and half prior, so I may check to see if you seperated brass ammo dunnage etc, and followed my memorandum signed by bc letting you know how it's done, if not to standard i will return in three hours to recheck.

you therefore the ssg's sfc's had heard of me, I am by the book type of soldier etc etc. i am tactful, while holding my ground. i keep calm and project a commanding presence. i have good clean neat uniforms. it does not matter what i wear on my chest. i have done so as a spc or spc (p) 1/2th of my career. My only real thesible reasoning for my feelings aside from my career so far would have to be, "I am aware of my role as a non commisioned officer. I will fulfill my duties inherent in that role." meaning as long as you know what you are (a professional non commisioned officer , and leader) you will be fine.

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well, I would have to say that i do not believe CPL is a prerequisite of anything to come.(i have known some cpl's that are not very bright.) I am filling in for our ncoic on staff duty since 0900 i am and have been squad leader teamleader since 2010. I do my counselings, conduct pt, and fulfill the shoes i was to put on. if you are professional to be a nco than you do not need a cloth to show it. over the past three years I learned how to lead, train without a rank on my chest. I understand it shows your responsible for a role outside your immediate unit who knows you.

however, I.E when I worked ammo and had a drop to a range and a range ncoic told me to be here at a certain time for pick up for example. Negative, by me being the highests in charge of this ammo, i designated you call me an hour hour and half prior, so I may check to see if you seperated brass ammo dunnage etc, and followed my memorandum signed by bc letting you know how it's done, if not to standard i will return in three hours to recheck.

you therefore the ssg's sfc's had heard of me, I am by the book type of soldier etc etc. i am tactful, while holding my ground. i keep calm and project a commanding presence. i have good clean neat uniforms. it does not matter what i wear on my chest. i have done so as a spc or spc (p) 1/2th of my career. My only real thesible reasoning for my feelings aside from my career so far would have to be, "I am aware of my role as a non commisioned officer. I will fulfill my duties inherent in that role." meaning as long as you know what you are (a professional non commisioned officer , and leader) you will be fine.

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SPC Reynolds, there are bags of crap at every rank in the Army. The reason for promoting a deserving SPC to CPL (as it sounds like you should be) is based on the leadership they've already shown and the responsibilities they hold.

If even half of what you just posted is true, you SHOULD be a corporal now, and if I were in your chain, I'd be pushing to make it happen.
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MSG(P) Quick - Absolutely, a Specialist that is promotable should start separating themselves from their peers (other Specialists) so when they actually do become a Sergeant it won't be as hard to be their superior. Being promoted to Corporal would instantly be a separator and would give them more power to take charge! I agree with you 100% about promoting he/she to Corporal would empower them to take charge off the rip, instead of waiting until cut-off! Great question!!
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SSG Moore, that is a great point. It is often hard from newly promoted SGT's to break away from the SPC Mafia. Bridging the time as a CPL would help establish that the promotable E-4 can start the process earlier and start getting the development as a NCO. I think that many see the sham shield, even if promotable, and still want to treat the Soldier as a SPC, instead of developing them for the new rank that is coming.
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I was was laterally appointed to Corporal and recommended for promotion to Sergeant and while waiting for a slot; I was later medically retired.
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SGT(P) Het Vehicle Driver
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I am a Specialist (P) and also a squad leader. I will not receive CPL until I attend BLC. After that, I was told I would wait to get picked up.
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Yes...I'd recommend this change.

This would empower our junior leaders by placing them in leadership positions without costing the Army anything significant.

This change would truly be 'LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT' at its finest.
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CPT Brian Willey
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I agree; it would be an immediate and tangible result of a promotion board. "Empowering" is a great word for the effect this would have, and CPLs would be clearly distinguished from SPCs by a set standard.
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It would be "leadership development" at its finest because these young Soldiers would be fresh off the board and should be ready for increased responsibility and tailored grooming into a specific position that will they will hold once cut-off is made. I'd vote for it!
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SSG Electronic Warfare Nco
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I had this thought too. It would be a great response to the "problem" of being laterally appointed to a rank above your peers who are E4s as well, in that it would be known that your rank was earned and demanded respect. I was a SPC for 2 years and then promoted to CPL and it was one of the biggest challenges I faced as a leader. It forced me to seperate myself from my buddies because more was expected of me. It was difficult though. The other problem was being double tapped for things. I could be the CQ or the runner. Sometimes I was tapped as the QC one week and then as the runner the next week. When there was mandatory training, I had to go with the NCOs and turn right back around and attend with the E4s and below. It was frustrating. My first day as a CPL was the most shocking, I had a soldier with Marriage, Legal, Medical, Drug, and Suicidal problems that all crashed on her in one day. It was waaay out of my hands but I was there for her the whole time and it taught me some valuable lessons that I used to prepare myself for when I became a SGT. It was a tough but very rewarding rank to wear and I agree 100% with your thoughts. I like your approach to the rank, MSG.
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SSG (Join to see) It seems to be the "trial by fire" for all CPL's or atleast dealing with soldiers that the other NCOS are tired of. My vey first soldier was all worst case scenario's rolled into one also. I learned the hard way too lol
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