Should gangs be required to take gun safety classes?

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:54:36 -0400

Due to the fact that the NRA has gun safety classes, should all gang bangers be required to carry permits and gun safety curricula?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-defilippis/do-we-have-a-gang-problem_b_5071639.html

Do We Have a Gang Problem or a Gun Problem?

Gun advocates' blind focus on gangs, drugs and violent felons overlooks the larger gun problem facing America.

Response by 1SG Chris Brown made Oct 19 at 2015 3:01 PM

1SG Chris Brown — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:01:30 -0400

Absolutely. And they should be fined if they are found to be packing without carrying a registration card showing they've been trained!
OK, so being serious...I don't think taking guns away from law-abiding citizens is going to stop criminals from carrying guns and murdering people. They're going to break the law anyway...they're criminals!! Let's just look at cities like Chicago, New York, and DC to find places where banning guns has worked so well. What a joke!

Response by 1LT Aaron Barr made Oct 19 at 2015 3:07 PM

1LT Aaron Barr — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:07:41 -0400

Sure, provided that we're not prosecuting them for failing to register their guns as that would be a violation of their 5th Amendment rights per Haines v. U.S.....

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 3:10 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:10:00 -0400

Sure. Because as soon as they register for the classes and show up they can be arrested for felon in possession.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Oct 19 at 2015 3:12 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:12:09 -0400

I firmly believe that the gang bangers should be stripped of their weapons.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 3:17 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:17:06 -0400

Yes! they should subject to the same requirements! Back ground check all of them too and then force them to wait a few days or weeks before they can get their guns. lol

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Oct 19 at 2015 3:21 PM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:21:05 -0400

Good luck implementing that! Lol

Response by MSgt James Mullis made Oct 19 at 2015 4:25 PM

MSgt James Mullis — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:25:58 -0400

I prefer that they not know how to shoot. I remember once going to a gun range with some friends, next to us were a couple of classic gang banger types, who were trying to figure out how to load and fire their brand new MAC 10 knock offs. From what I remember, neither of the young men could hit the side of a barn. The first time they "accidentally" pointed a weapon in our direction, I yelled at them to keep their guns pointed down range, they grumbled but grudgingly complied, for about 5 minutes. The second time they pointed a weapon in our direction, my friend pointed his loaded .45 Ruger Redhawk at the young man's chest and asked him "Do you want to see if I can hit what I aim at?" "Point that gun at me again and you'll find out." The young man looked like a deer in the headlights as he apologized.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 4:44 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:44:28 -0400

I feel like government studies on areas where they can exert more control are less than neutral and certainly lacking in honesty. Only 1000 Gang related deaths per year? Sure. Sounds like the government is pushing the narrative of the current administration.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Oct 19 at 2015 4:50 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:50:39 -0400

Yes SSgt Private RallyPoint Member all gang members and wannabes should be afforded the privilege of attending weapon safety classes so that they can safely handle machetes, knives, axes, power tools and all kinetic weapons. Then they can proudly display their certificates which could be modified to include their "colors," distinctive names and logos :-)
Legal assistance should be afforded to the gangs so that they can trademark their names, logos, etc. :-)
Those gangs which do not have logos could be encouraged to develop their own unique colors so as not to infringe on "trademarked" gang names and logos. :-)

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Oct 19 at 2015 4:59 PM

SSgt Alex Robinson — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:59:27 -0400

You are silly. Only responsible gun owners take safety classes SSgt Private RallyPoint Member

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Oct 19 at 2015 5:05 PM

Capt Seid Waddell — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:05:37 -0400

Sure. The background check should help the police round them up.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Oct 19 at 2015 5:37 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:37:41 -0400

ROFLMAO!!!

Response by PV2 Scott Goodpasture made Oct 19 at 2015 5:45 PM

PV2 Scott Goodpasture — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:45:31 -0400

Sure, the same as the mafia should pay income taxes

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Oct 19 at 2015 6:22 PM

Capt Richard I P. — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:22:30 -0400

Yes. There aughta be a law.

Response by SPC Nathan Freeman made Oct 19 at 2015 6:24 PM

SPC Nathan Freeman — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:24:28 -0400

While we're at it, can we forbid them to break the law?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 7:49 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:49:09 -0400

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member I'wish I knew where you got your sense of humor because I want one. :-))

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Oct 19 at 2015 8:55 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:55:21 -0400

Oh absolutely! I'm sure this will be followed by everyone registering their flying drones and getting their pilots license to operate them too!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 8:59 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:59:37 -0400

Of course they should, I bet they can squeeze in the firearm safety training right after the Emily Post etiquette lessons.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Oct 19 at 2015 9:12 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:12:40 -0400

Walt Disney presents: The Gang-bangers of Fantasy Land in the Hood

Yo, yo, yo, Donnie-D, I know you like wanna go out and clip those Nick-Toons mother f-ers that did Daisy but bro, you didn't pass your NRA safety class so youz gotta give me your piece man. Demz da breaks. F-ing ass clown Feds and their righteousness! Its like a rag sh-t drag home but demz da rulez you know. It's a f-ing small world after all...

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Oct 19 at 2015 10:08 PM

SFC Joseph Weber — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:08:00 -0400

Yes. They should also receive training on purifying their product and there should be a best corner competition sort of like the best yard in the housing area.

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Oct 20 at 2015 3:09 AM

MAJ Bryan Zeski — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 03:09:56 -0400

So, here's the thing with firearms training - if you have some kind of required training, then you will have fewer random people just going to get guns for the sake of getting guns and fewer straw man purchases. It will reduce guns on the streets.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Oct 20 at 2015 4:31 AM

PO1 John Miller — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 04:31:36 -0400

As part of the safety classes, it should be taught that guns are not to be pointed sideways!

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Oct 20 at 2015 7:23 AM

Cpl Jeff N. — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 07:23:37 -0400

We should also make them wear body armor. That would reduce the casualty rates some and make for better headlines. "Gang Banger Saved by Kevlar Vest". You know, really feel good stories about allowing them to reach their full potential by living until almost 30.

We will, of course, need a government program to pay for the armor or perhaps with the reductions in the military under this administration we could just repurpose (recycle) the body armor! Yeah, everybody wins, even mother earth.

Response by SGT David T. made Oct 20 at 2015 8:07 AM

SGT David T. — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:07:31 -0400

It would be a good idea if you could get them to go for it lol. At least they would be more accurate when they do drive bys and less collatoral damage lol.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Oct 20 at 2015 11:19 AM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:19:34 -0400

:-) ... Good luck with that.

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Oct 20 at 2015 1:17 PM

SGM Steve Wettstein — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 13:17:17 -0400

Seriously? Massive LULZ. Good luck with that.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Oct 20 at 2015 2:32 PM

Capt Jeff S. — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:32:45 -0400

They're criminals and criminals by definition don't follow the rules. So why would they take a gun safety class? It's not like they acquired their guns with a background check...

Response by SSG Leo Bell made Oct 20 at 2015 3:27 PM

SSG Leo Bell — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:27:57 -0400

I don't think it would matter if they did because they would still be doing the same thing. They will still be using guns for violence and still find a way to get guns that are not registered to commit crimes so they can't be tied to the gun. I know there are great people out there trying to help stop the violence. There are even men who grew up in the gangs trying to talk to these young men and women in gangs these day. There are a number of good programs to try and change these gang banger way of doing things. Our jails are full of these gang bangers and most of them get out of jail and go right back in or end up dieing by a bullet. The way they lived there lives. Sorry to say.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2015 4:11 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:11:13 -0400

That question is pretty silly. Shouldn't ALL citizens who carry guns be subjected to the same laws? Why just "gang-bangers"?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2015 4:18 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:18:10 -0400

SFC Mark Merino I know you have a suggestion. Suffering succotash. lol

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2015 9:10 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 21:10:28 -0400

Absolutely. The follow on course for the gang "execs" would be pharmacology, to ensure they get the cut right.

Response by SFC Maury Gonzalez made Oct 20 at 2015 9:51 PM

SFC Maury Gonzalez — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 21:51:17 -0400

The classes will be taught by elvis Presley at Berkeley university while hugging a tree

Response by LCDR Steve Didio made Oct 21 at 2015 2:16 PM

LCDR Steve Didio — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:16:44 -0400

Yes, these idiots should be required to take gun safety courses...........as targets.

Response by SSgt Christopher Brose made Oct 21 at 2015 3:34 PM

SSgt Christopher Brose — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:34:48 -0400

Such a weird question in the OP. The answer to the question is YES, all "gang bangers" should be required to carry permits. What makes the question weird is that they already ARE required, but the OP asks it as if it's something not being done now that should be considered.

Legally speaking, a member of a gang is subject to the same laws as everybody else. If an average law abiding citizen is required to carry a permit in order to carry a weapon, then gang members are also required to carry a permit in order to carry a weapon. (Carrying gun safety curricula isn't a requirement for anybody, so I don't know why it should be for "gang bangers.") However, one of the characteristics of criminal gang members is they don't care as much what the legal requirements are. Not only that, but going through the process of getting a permit puts them in the system -- fingerprints, background checks, etc. Typically this is something a criminal would try to avoid.

But, hey, don't let facts like that stand in the way of a good emotional hyperbole-based thread! Link two completely unrelated things (NRA, "gang bangers") by putting them together in the same sentence, try to be provocative, and hope people don't realize how dumb it is.

(Oops -- sorry, missed the humor tag.)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2015 3:50 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:50:32 -0400

Quick question: Aside from the occasional traffic ordinance, what person who makes a life of criminal enterprise obeys the law?

Response by SrA Kelly Richard made Oct 29 at 2015 10:01 PM

SrA Kelly Richard — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 22:01:48 -0400

If by "gang" you mean the E4 mafia, then yes, and a lot of them already do!