Should I apply for OCS or WOFT with a Bachelor and Master degree in Finance Management?

2022-02-21T11:20:02-05:00

I just want to know if I will have any chances to get selected in one of them. I don’t have a high PT Score I just have 230, but I do have a lot recognition for my hard work and dedication. Also, my GPA for my Bachelor degree was 3.80 and mas master degree 3.55. Any advice I will be really thankful

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2022 5:53 PM

2022-02-21T17:53:35-05:00

Depends. What is your End Goal? What field are you wanting to go into?

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Feb 22 at 2022 1:36 PM

2022-02-22T13:36:30-05:00

It depends on what you want to do. Don't stress over what if situations. Just submit the package that fits what you want.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Feb 22 at 2022 2:01 PM

2022-02-22T14:01:25-05:00

Here is a question for the folks: If one is not successful at OCS, would an application to WOFT still be feasible? (My understanding is that Army OCS is very difficult, and many do not graduate.)

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2022 12:58 AM

2022-03-06T00:58:39-05:00

DO NOT GO OCS! I apologize for all caps, but if you go through OCS you will risk your career! If a career is what you want. If not, then disregard. I went through OCS. The TAC officers that are there would rather lie to have you separated from the entire US Army, than to have you compete the course. When I went in I had a B.S. from NAU with a GPA of 3.75 and a M.S. from WTAMU with 3.85. My PFT was a little higher at 285, but in the same ballpark. I had to attend Warrior Transition Course since I was coming in from the USAF enlisted side. There I met a few friends that we always hung around together. During the OCS course one of our friends was afraid that she would not complete the course due to an injury, and me being me I tried to cheer her up with a friendly Halloween card (it was her favorite holliday). Another student grabbed it from her and brought it down to the platoon TAC who gave me a no contact order. The girl lived 3 doors down from me on the third floor of the Company building during the entire course. We trained together (as placed by TAC NCOs and other trainers throughout the remainder of the course. After I was given the order I requested a move to another Company (building) in writing so I could actually have a chance to follow the order. The Company Commander refused the request and said we were to have no contact with each other "on or off duty." I already knew that this was impossible due to our training regimine and not to mention day to day contact as we had to attend the same classes together. Angela Y. Lamborn, the platoon TAC apparently did some digging on me after she gave me the order. She found out that I did a year at the USAFA and left because of family issues. Obviously I did not do well at USAFA ten years earlier because my mother was sick and I was distracted. But I had already explained that, with my mother's blessing to the actual powers that deal with entrance into these programs and I was granted a waiver. Lamborn states in writing "I found out he was at the Air Force Academy and did not do well so I attempted to not only have him removed from the OCS program, but the Army as well." This was stated in a bullet sheet full of misconceptions, quibbles, and outright lies that she had prepared for my file. Long story short, she could not do anything before the end of course ceremony because she had found that information out shortly before the ceremony was to be held so she had me flagged on the day after the ceremony and started separation procedures. I have all this documentation and it is in my book. At that point I had already completed the course on the 19th of January and the separation started on the 26th. We took it to the ABCMR who refused to even acknowledge the issue so we took in to court in DC. My attorney told me that the Army told him he would not win his case and dropped it square in my lap after which I filed as a poor person. The judge denied my application and left me as far as I know no other way to fix the separation. So that is why I write the book and tell everyone I can to don't go to OCS if you value your career. You don't what what happened to me to happen to you just because a TAC takes a disliking to you. I still have my commission and I am still fighting this. I ended up having to sue the former friend that wrote sworn statements about me because she was told to do so by Lamborn. During the case it came to light that Lamborn had written lies in my file just to attempt a separation (all in the formal publicly available transcript). We took that bit to the Board and they said "failure to follow a direct order is an offense that can separate a person from not only the OCS program, but the Army as well." I cannot say that I was able to follow the order, but I did everything I could to do so and I was not even offered a recycle. So think long and hard before you want to chance that program. I was actually offered a direct before for a drill Sergeant unit up in Lubbock, TX but I turned it down wanting to feel like I "earned" my commission. Worst mistake I had ever made.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Mar 6 at 2022 11:25 AM

2022-03-06T11:25:18-05:00

College, no college. The degree does not make you Officer material. Are you ready to lead elements as opposed to individuals? Are you prepsared to place your trust (career) in the hands of the NCOs who will work for you? As a Warrant, the same is true, but more importantly what field would you be striving for as a Technician? A low PT is something that can and should be a priority while you decide where to apply. You do not want to fall behind a unit run as an Officer or Warrant.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Mar 6 at 2022 11:47 AM

2022-03-06T11:47:23-05:00

I’m guessing you’re active duty, not reserve component. You have the required education level, so it looks like you could apply for OCS. Your chain of command will have to support the application for it to get anywhere. The alternative is to complete your enlistment, then talk with recruiters from all of the Services about being an officer. Go with the Service that offers the best deal.

The flight warrant officer program is a different situation. First, you have to decide you want to dedicate your life to aviation Then see if you meet the basic requirements to be an aviator. Then there’s the application process. Many RP questions about this process. Look them up to get an idea of the challenges. If your enthusiasm for flying can overcome the challenges, go for it.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2022 5:08 PM

2022-03-18T17:08:04-04:00

As a former CW2 and current MAJ in Aviation apply for a warrant officer flight slot. You can become a regular commissioned officer after the fact if they’d what you really want to do. In OCS there’s no guarantee you’ll be selected for Aviation service.