Should I have been made to take an APFT right after getting off a running profile?

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:27:23 -0500

Long story short, I was on temp profile for shin splints. I did not run for a month and 7 days. Then comes the APFT. It was scheduled on my last week on profile. I asked team leaders if I would have to take APFT right after getting off of profile, most said yes and then finally my own team leader said no. Believing my most direct NCO, I chose to slack and not prepare mentally for the APFT. I failed and I wanna say it's because I hadn't had a proper run for a month, but no one's hearing it. My main question is should I have taken the APFT right after getting off a "no running" profile, and what's the reasoning behind it?

Response by SSG Keven Lahde made Nov 19 at 2018 11:29 PM

SSG Keven Lahde — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:29:00 -0500

No you have a believe you have a month in order to get ready for it. But I could be wrong.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2018 11:32 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:32:41 -0500

The recent changes in profiles now include recovery time so, unfortunately, they were within rights to conduct the APFT.

Response by SCPO Morris Ramsey made Nov 19 at 2018 11:34 PM

SCPO Morris Ramsey — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:34:27 -0500

What does the regulation say. Everything is “I think” or “I Believe”. The regulations state the facts.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2018 12:19 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 00:19:33 -0500

Your temporary profile will state both an end date for your profile and an APFT available date - simply meaning that you are eligible to take an APFT on or after that APFT available date. The telling statement in your post is “I chose to slack and not prepare mentally...” As a young Soldier, take this as a lesson learned - and strive to never go through this again - and when you become an NCO utilize this experience as a teaching point. Physical fitness is a personal responsibility, get in shape and overcome this deficiency.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Nov 20 at 2018 2:29 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 02:29:42 -0500

Yes. Your profile has a built in "APFT availability date". Profiles have "recovery time" built in. Once your profile is up, you've already had your recovery time.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2018 6:50 AM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 06:50:44 -0500

Recovery time is built into Profiles now. So some soldier still take it as oh I don't have to do nothing during this whole profile which is wrong now unlike how it use to be with recovery after the profile was up. But it should state on profile when you start your recovery time to build back up. Personally if you are usually a good squared away soldier like I had one I said ok I understand you failed coming right off a profile ill speak with the COC and ask for a certain date and make sure you pass the next one by that date.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2018 7:11 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 07:11:23 -0500

The profile includes your recovery time. You are eligible to take it right after coming off profile. Yes, I agree that is sucks that you are taking an APFT shortly after coming off profile for "no running" but it is what it is. But since you stated you chose to slack off, this is the repercussions of that decision. Perhaps you can take this as a serious learning lesson and educate not only yourself but also your immediate NCO and everyone else on the standards and regulations of the APFT and Profile/Recovery. After reading below and seeing your comment about you are not going to take all the blame, well...bad news. Yes you are. YOU were the one that failed YOUR APFT. YOU were the one that chose to slack. YOU were the one that didn't read your profile fully. YOU were the one that didn't ask (or at least attempt) to be given time to get your run back to par. YOU were the one that listened to barracks lawyer talk. YOU are responsible for your own actions. Again, take this situation as a learning lesson. In the future, when it doubt, research.

Response by Maj Marty Hogan made Nov 20 at 2018 7:21 AM

Maj Marty Hogan — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 07:21:25 -0500

This depends on your profile. It appears in your response that it was not long term and looks more like you got to taking it to heal. Unless you are on a profile that is long term you do not get reconditioning time- return from deployment is 90 days, off profile you get a month (or in the guard and reserve the next duty period), pregnancy return gets a full year now, etc. I am guessing, you were allowed to defer taking the test and the doc gave you a month. I will also add that if 30 days off made you fail, you most likely were borderline before.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Nov 20 at 2018 7:59 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 07:59:06 -0500

I believe you have answered your own question; “I chose to slack and not prepare”. If your NCO mans up to leadership he may be able to get you an alibi, however unlikely, he would probably recieve a counseling. Thank you for your service.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2018 8:18 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 08:18:51 -0500

If a short profile is your excuse for failing the PT run, you clearly were not running enough prior. There are plenty of regs in the Army, but personal accountibility is all on you.

Response by SSG Dale London made Nov 20 at 2018 2:08 PM

SSG Dale London — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 14:08:54 -0500

Your profile was scheduled to provide time to to both heal and recover. If you did not use the recovery time to get back into shape then I am afraid this one is on you.
Learn from this and don't let it follow you. Get on top of your phys and do your best to hit 300 next time. You might not make 300 but you'll do a hell of a lot better than if you just try to pass... and you'll feel better too!

Response by SSG Dale London made Nov 20 at 2018 2:51 PM

SSG Dale London — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 14:51:33 -0500

Your profile was scheduled to give you time to heal AND to recover. If you did not use the recovery time to get into shape for the APFT, I'm afraid that's on you.
Learn from this. Get on top of your phys and aim at a 300 on your next APFT -- you may not get a 300 but you'll do one hell of a lot better than if you only aim to pass. And you will feel better because the APFT won't have kicked your ass.
Get up and brush yourself off, soldier. Failure is a great teacher and motivator. Go for it and don't look back.

Response by 1SG Dave McWilliams made Nov 21 at 2018 3:47 PM

1SG Dave McWilliams — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:47:56 -0500

This falls into the benefit of the doubt category. If you can’t prep then you can’t perform for it .

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 25 at 2018 4:37 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Nov 2018 16:37:09 -0500

Your unit should have an IRPT Program (Injury Related Physical Training). If I were you I’d ask about being enrolled so that a Fitness Trainer can have you doing workouts that match with your injury and when you are deemed fit you’ll be ran through an Non Record APFT before released back to your unit for your record.

However, slacking is still not a viable excuse.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2018 1:48 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:48:40 -0500

The new profile system no longer has a grace period. It used to be that recovery was to be twice as long as the profile not to exceed 90 days, but that is no longer the case. A profile now will or at least should a return to full duty date that an APFT can be administered. And profile now is intended to prevent, heal, and recover all in one timeframe. When the profile is over, the SM should be fully fit to return to full duty including APFT.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2018 9:53 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:53:44 -0500

Well well PVT Leo, it seems like your chain failed you by not researching the regulations for Do's and don'ts when it comes to army profiles and apft. Everything in the Army is covered by regulations. The problem with some of the young to include senior NCO's nowadays is they don't like to read, they go by hear say instead of reading. If you don't believe read
U.S. Army TC 3-22.20 Army Physical Readiness Training (Supersedes FM 21-20) chapter 14-11 Temporary Profiles.... if you are flagged, the commander need to lift that flag and give you the proper recovery time........ Let your team/squad leader know.....

Recovery Period. Soldiers coming off a profile must be given a recovery period of twice the length of their profile before being required to take an APFT. For example, if the profile was for seven days, the recovery period will be 14 days, beginning after your profile expires. However, the recovery period may not exceed 90 days, regardless of the length of profile.

APFT. A Soldier cannot waive his profile in order to take the APFT. The Soldier’s
limitations will be given in their DD Form 686 or DA Form 3349. Those limitations must be strictly adhered to. If the Soldier feels he or she is ready to move beyond those limitations, he or she must seek a new profile from the profile writer reflecting the new limitations. A Soldier whose recovery period expires is not required to take the APFT if they are not due for their bi-annual APFT test. If the Soldier fails the APFT, they may re-test as soon as the Soldier and the commander feels the Soldier is ready.
* If the normally scheduled APFT occurs within the profile or recovery period, the
Soldier should be given a mandatory make-up date. Extended Temporary Profiles. If the temporary profile exceeds three months, the Soldier may be eligible to take the alternate APFT test (see below). If the temporary profile exceeds 6 months, the Soldier will be directed to a specialist who can extend the profile to 12 months, change the temporary profile to a permanent profile, or refer the
Soldier to an MEB if they determine they do not meet medical retention standards.
Temporary profiles cannot exceed 12 months.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2020 2:20 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 14:20:25 -0400

So what you are saying is that you failed your APFT because you chose to slack and now you want to fight it because your profile had just expired. Sounds like a case of entitlement from before the Army. Nothing is given to you and you’re going to need to fight if you want to stay in