Should I reach out to an NCO's new leadership team to have them complete an NCOER that they should have written before they PCS'd?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 00:30:56 -0400

So, long story short I just PCS'd in to my new detachment. Our detachment went through a complete changeover; everyone here but two NCOs are new.

Had a meeting with my NCOs and it turns out that one of the NCOs' NCOER through date was July 1st. Yes, this PAST July! You can imagine I lost my mind.

Previous leadership didn't double down on it and the SSG that was here before me (who PCSd right when I got here) never did it.

I've considered reaching out to his current CoC to have him complete it and the Deputy Director agrees that we should do that considering I was not here at all during the rating period. We haven't attempted to reach out just yet due to so many other things messed up here that we are trying to bring up to standard, but my Deputy Director knows his current CoC.

What would you do in this situation?

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Oct 23 at 2019 2:20 AM

CW4 Craig Urban — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 02:20:15 -0400

Go to the company commander

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2019 4:43 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 04:43:43 -0400

I'd sure try, but I wouldnt expect to get anything from it. It was your units failure to sign the guy out before he was done with his proper administrative duties.
You'd probably get a better response if you sat down with your NCO and built a NCOER and sent it to the people that were responsible for signatures. Is it the right answer? No, but at this point we are trying to square your NCO away.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2019 6:55 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 06:55:01 -0400

In similar situations, I have asked my CSM to reach out at his level to the other CSM to resolve the problem

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 23 at 2019 10:00 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 10:00:30 -0400

No, but your 1SG and CSM should...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2019 10:04 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 10:04:27 -0400

We had a similar situation I was the one that didn't have the NCOER completed and my entire leadership was deployed to Iraq while I was at a 12 military courseand I was deploying as an individual augment to another unit and needed mine. The rear-det commander and I went back and forth via email and our fwd eliminate. I agree with MSG Bradshaw. Best of the worst case is sit down with the NCO and write one and send it to the previous rater. And have the CSM contact the former NCO's new CSM for assistance. Doing the NCOER will make it so much simpler or the former NCO by just requiring him to sign it.

Response by SSG George Holtje made Oct 23 at 2019 8:48 PM

SSG George Holtje — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:48:46 -0400

I say the rater for that period is responsible for writing. Better late than never. Unrated time can be a serious blocker in the future.

Response by SFC Ocie Conner made Oct 24 at 2019 3:12 PM

SFC Ocie Conner — Thu, 24 Oct 2019 15:12:33 -0400

As a leader you should reach out. I would brief the situation to your Detachmnet/1SG as well as your CSM and DES SGM. Include them on the email as well. Currently you do not qualify as a rater for said NCO. Definitely need to get the enlisted “stars” involved. I would get the names and POC information for the rater, Senior Rater and Reviewer (if required). Hopefully it gets resolved sooner rather than later.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2019 9:37 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Oct 2019 21:37:35 -0400

By write it, folks likely mean come up with the "suggested" bullets, etc.
Have the NCO enter what he can. Provide a digital copy with suggested bullets for parts the rated NCO can't enter.
May suggest the NCO make contact on his own through global. Of that fails, have your Director get involved to motivate completion.
I'd also suggest providing, or being prepared with documents in hand to support the suggested bullets and rating.
Sure the prior personnel in the unit failed by permitting the rater to clear, but the rater and senior rater both had the duty to complete the NCOER.