Should I report an EO complaint if it is something that is not going to change?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 15:21:38 -0400

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2017 3:31 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 15:31:16 -0400

So I have served in the Military for over 12 years (Active, Reserves, National Guard), and have noticed that there are limited opportunities given to certain ethnic groups for certain positions in within my branch. These positions have the opportunity for higher progression, better schooling is available, as well as a chance at broadening assignments. Now I would complain if I had not seen that these positioned were only filled by a certain race and have (in my career) only seen 1 other person (of my color) in that position. I am not naive to say that only one person has ever been to the school and passed. However I have travelled around a bit, and it's awkward when a Soldier ask me why they were passed over by someone and they don't share our ethnicity?

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2017 3:31 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 15:31:28 -0400

What is not going to change? If it is wrong it should be changed. Could you elaborate?

Response by Maj John Bell made Sep 24 at 2017 7:13 PM

Maj John Bell — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 19:13:46 -0400

Sven and Ollie were sitting on the porch, enjoying Ice tea and avoiding the heat of the day. Every few minutes Sven's bloodhound would lift his head and bay. After an hour of this, Ollie asks "Sven, what is wrong with your dog?"

"He's laying on a nail poking up through the porch deck" replied Sven

"Why doesn't he move? asked Ollie.

"It only hurts enough to bitch, not enough to get off the nail."

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 2:15 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 02:15:34 -0400

Of course. And you aren't complaining if it is a trust EO violation

Response by SFC James Heath made Oct 15 at 2017 4:25 PM

SFC James Heath — Sun, 15 Oct 2017 16:25:28 -0400

As an NCO it is your duty to report EO violations. If you don’t bring a problem into the light how do you expect it to be addresses?

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Nov 3 at 2017 10:24 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 22:24:08 -0400

OK, you are failing the troops if there is a valid EO complaint and you do not voice it. You are also violating regulations by not making the complaint known. MPI as far as I can remember is a damn small group, you better have a lot of specifics on how folks were not treated equally, particularly since I have seen CID of almost every color when I was in. Be prepared to prove it

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2017 11:47 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 23:47:12 -0400

Yes ...as a former EOL you need you report.... if the unit will not move on it take it higher. Do not let the Unit claim toy are disloyal if you take it over their heads once you gave them a chance to resolve it. You have a duty to the army to report it. If you want to message me direct I may be able to direct you to the right person.

Response by SFC Matthew Del Rossi made Nov 7 at 2017 3:59 PM

SFC Matthew Del Rossi — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 15:59:36 -0500

Yes.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Nov 7 at 2017 4:48 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 16:48:15 -0500

After reading your post from about a month ago, SGT Private RallyPoint Member, I say you should talk with your EO officer. As COL Robert Grierson advised, the EO people will want documentation, but you might just talk with them first to get an idea of what they need. There are many "protected classes" beyond race. Almost any characteristic other than being a white, male, under 40, can put one in a protected class. Discrimination may be more widespread than you realize.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Nov 7 at 2017 5:04 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 17:04:22 -0500

Is that yours to decide? Send it up the line or you are responsible for it continuing

Response by CPL Anthony Slaughter made Nov 7 at 2017 6:47 PM

CPL Anthony Slaughter — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 18:47:14 -0500

Nothing changes if nothing changes. Not doing something because you believe it won't matter is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2018 10:19 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 22:19:13 -0500

As they said every EO briefing report any and all violations regardless of reason or situation

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Jan 3 at 2018 11:03 PM

Capt Tom Brown — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 23:03:46 -0500

How did this turn out??

Response by SGT Eric Courier made May 19 at 2018 3:21 PM

SGT Eric Courier — Sat, 19 May 2018 15:21:25 -0400

As a Non Commisoned Officer, your duty is to report issues like that. Get all the evidence that you may have, names, dates, paperwork etc. and sit down with the EO reps to discuss your issues. Make sure you have a solid complaint since many times they damage or end careers.