Should I take a rank reduction to go back into active duty?

2017-04-20T14:29:34-04:00

Talked to a recruiter today about going back into active duty and he told me they would have to do a rank determination on me and there's a possibility I may have to be reduced one rank to E5. Has anyone or would anyone take a reduction in rank to back into active duty? Would it be a smart move? I'm looking for opinions and advice from people have done it or considering it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 2:31 PM

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Back in 2006 I had a buddy who just made SFC and then put in to go active and they told him they would take him as a SSG. He would not take a the reduction so he stayed reserve. In his case I think I would have taken it. He only had 6 years to go to get a full 20 of active service.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 2:31 PM

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If you want to get back on Active that strongly, then my advice is to take the 1 rank reduction. You already have the schooling and requirements knocked out, so getting back that 1 rank won't take anything but time.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 2:42 PM

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Check with your local Army National Guard or Army Reserve recruiter because maybe you can go AGR active Guard Reserve get the same points as active-duty same schools and you don't get reduced in grade. Something to think about since they always have boards for officers and enlisted and they have job openings nationwide

Response by CPO Robert McGovern made Apr 20 at 2017 2:45 PM

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I looked into it a year after I retired and they wanted me to take a reduction from e7 to e6 I said forget it. I was already retired , but it depends how much time you would have till you can retire

Response by SFC Andrew Miller made Apr 20 at 2017 2:46 PM

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I didn't go back into active duty, but I went from the Guard to Regular Army in 1991 and dropped from SPC to PV2. I didn't regret it at all.

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Apr 20 at 2017 2:50 PM

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I would ask if there was someone higher in the recruiting chain that the recruiter could request you be allowed to re-enlist at the rank you separated with. If that can't happen and you really want to re-enlist then go for it. If you're motivated you should be able to pick up the rank you dropped.

I got out of the Navy in 1974, swearing to never go back into the military. Things change; and less then a year later I enlisted in the Coast Guard. The recruiter had to get a waiver for me because I had got out of the Navy as an E3 but he was able to. On July 1st, 1979 (4 years and a month after I enlisted) I made E6. With motivation, as long as your career field isn't stagnant you can do it.

A sad story about an ex-Army medic who I served with in the Navy. We called him Pappy because he had 16 years of active service in the Army as a Medic; he separated from the Army as an E6. When he went to the Navy recruiter to enlist the recruiter promised him that if he he enlisted as an E3, attend Navy Corpsman School that when he graduated he would be promoted to E6. Sadly it wasn't in writing on his contract; he never got orders to Corpsman School, and ended up, bitter, as an E3 assigned to Deck Force on a Sub Tender. Lesson: if it isn't on your contract it isn't going to happen!

Response by CPT Lawrence Cable made Apr 20 at 2017 2:52 PM

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OK, this is other side of the question asked a few days ago about going Reserve to Active and the same set of regulations apply. This is the easiest to understand rundown on the rules that I've found, you may not be able to open this from your military account. https://www.thebalance.com/rules-for-determining-active-duty-rank-for-prior-service-3344810

Determining Active Duty Rank for Prior Service

Here are the rules for prior National Guard personnel joining the active duty Army for determination of initial active duty enlistment rank.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 2:56 PM

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Also see if with your unit is there any tours and you can go on temporary active duty in the guard or Reserve you can maybe look up stuff under mode cop and not take the reduction in rank.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 3:26 PM

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Yes, I did it and it was a smart move for me at the time. Everybody's situation is different, but being a certain rank in the reserves does not solve a long term problem

Response by SSgt Gary Andrews made Apr 20 at 2017 3:28 PM

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Just as long as you don't have to go back through boot camp......

Response by SFC Stephen King made Apr 20 at 2017 3:34 PM

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Look at AR 601-210

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 4:06 PM

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There was an SSG in basic with me. I know initially you would think it's crazy but learning his reason would probably be similar to yours. In order to keep his rank, he was required to go through Basic again. If not, he would be reduced to SGT. I would inquire about repeating basic. Or seeing if there may be alternative avenues you could take to in order to keep your rank. That's yours, you worked hard for it. I'd talk to every person possible. If they aren't speaking your language, go to the next person. Best wishes!!!

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 4:31 PM

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You could look at it as an opportunity. Lots of MOS' do not allow you to reclass at E-6, but E-5 is fair game. That is if reclassing is something you may be interested in.

I agree with MSG Private RallyPoint Member that getting rank back would just be a matter of time, if nothing else is considered.

Response by SFC William H. made Apr 20 at 2017 4:40 PM

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I went from SGT to PFC to go active duty again. If its what you want, you can overlook everything else. The only consideration is about family; if you have any dependents. I did notice that I was older than my peers by 8-10 years. I am retired now and do not regret the decision.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 4:43 PM

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One thing to consider is your MOS density especially at mid and senior levels. It's our top heavy causing a 'logjam " that may delay your promotion.

If you are caught up with NCOPD, and have good NCOERs, it may help with where you land on OML. (At least I assume it works that way)

BLUF : find out ad much as you can about the factors that will influence your moving back up the ladder

Response by MSG James Hughs made Apr 20 at 2017 5:49 PM

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I did....went from Cpt to E-6.....the military was my life.... never regretted it...... but then I am not you..... on the plus side....with your experience you should have no trouble getting promoted ESPECIALLY if no one knows you were an E-6

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Apr 20 at 2017 5:51 PM

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Just part of the game. Actually, be happy if it is only one grade. The question really is, do you want to go Active Duty? If you do, then there is your answer.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 6:36 PM

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I hate telling you not to listen to others opinions, but there are key factors that you have to look at to think about, How many promotion Points would you currently have if you were an E5 going for E6. Next what is the current promotion points for 88H, if you do not have enough then look at the promotion point trend for your MOS. If none of that looks good for you getting promoted back to E6 then you should think about coming active as a Recruiter. I just went through the course with several Reservist that are now active by becoming Recruiters and they all got a center located very close to where they wanted to be if not exactly where they wanted to be. Also if you are given an option that if they did not like where they were given then they could deny it and return back to their previous job as a reservist. We had one guy in our class opt out because they didn't give him Guam, but had offered him Hawaii his second choice.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Apr 20 at 2017 6:37 PM

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You have to ask yourself, is it worth the effort you will making

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 7:18 PM

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SSG Encarnacion,
Its just like he stated a rank determination. We have to do that for most SGT's and above, that don't mean that your rank will be taken, but in case it does its something and a move that you have to see how does it fit into your plan and your family plan. I would say go far it, but I know I am not you so make a decision based on your situation.

Response by SP5 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 8:17 PM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member Depends on your motivation for making the move - if you don't, and get to my age you will always wonder "what if?". If you do make the jump you will have the lifetime of experiences to remember. I think it's more than just about the rank - as others have pointed out, you will recover the stripe in the case you do have to drop one. Good luck with your decision.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 8:48 PM

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I'm really motivated to go back into active duty so I'm going to think about my options if it's determined that I do have to take a rank reduction. Thank you everyone for your input.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 11:07 PM

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I, personally, have no experience with transitioning from Reserve to Active. However, while I was on ADOS Recruiting Orders my Station NCOIC was holding an E-6 AGR slot and wanted to transfer over to Active Duty either as an 18X candidate or even 11B if the first option wasn't possible. He was also told by the USAREC recruiter that the Army generally wasn't accepting E-6's into either the 18X program or 11B. Apparently certain MOS's have an over abundance of personell, and if that particular MOS is top heavy they require a reduction in grade in order to enlist. He decided on taking the reduction in grade, and is finally leaving for 18X Selection in a month (after an almost 2 year process of jumping through hoops).

Personally, I would take the reduction in grade if you really want to get back into Active Duty. Holding E-5 again would get your foot back in the door, and considering you have held E-6 for awhile now, that can only help you at the promotion board. You would probably get your rocker back in no time!

Response by SFC George Smith made Apr 20 at 2017 11:50 PM

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Depends on what MOS you go into ... You May be able to get back quickly...

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 21 at 2017 12:29 AM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member I would say yes, if that is the rule, and you want get back on AD.

Response by CPT Christopher F. made Apr 21 at 2017 8:56 AM

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I know a guy who did this several years ago. He got out as an E-5, and when he tried to come back in, they told him he'd have to start at the bottom again, as an E-1, AND go through basic again. He was the only guy in his basic training class with a combat patch (including the drill sergeants!). Fast forward a few years and last time I saw him, he was the US Army Pacific G-2 Command Sergeant Major.

Don't think about it in terms of what rank you will come back in with, think about it in terms of how far you want to go.

Response by SSG Dale London made Apr 21 at 2017 11:13 AM

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Felix, the only person that can answer that question is you. How badly do you want it? What is more important to you? The rank or AD? It's a simple choice but maybe not an easy one. So choose and no regrets!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2017 1:45 PM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member it is all a personal choice. I had a 1SG who took an administrative reduction to go from Reserves (TPU) to Reserves (AGR). It was best for him to have a full-time job with better benefits and roughly the same pay as his civilian pay if not higher. He will still retire as an E-8 even if he does not get promoted again as he had the time in grade.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2017 2:55 PM

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I personally wouldn't do it. There are other options such as active Guard Reserve full time and I think you keep your rank. i would ask the recruiter.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Apr 23 at 2017 10:26 AM

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I don't know how "smart" a move it is, but it really depends on how much you want to get back into soldiering full-time.
As a point of comparison, a good friend in AIT took a demotion from SFC down to PV2 (and a change in MOS to 11C) to get back on active duty. At that time, the Army was only letting folks back in as PV2, so I actually outranked all the prior-service guys in my platoon because I started out as a PFC (because of a letter of recommendation from my PMS when he found out I was enlisting). Gary had given it a lot of thought, and he was banking on the fact that he already had the time-in-service and time-in-grade requirements met for every rank up to SFC, so getting promoted back up would be fairly straightforward.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2017 7:40 AM

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I think it's worth it if you want to be active. Ive done it and it's paid off. You know what it takes to get promoted. It may take a. It but you'll get there if you are doing the right things. Best wishes.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2017 7:41 AM

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It may take a bit but it's worth it but...is what I thought I typed.

Response by SGT Jim Arnold made Apr 25 at 2017 6:08 PM

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my suggestion is skip the recruiter and go talk to the MEPS NCOIC. he will have those answers more often than a district recruiter

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2017 6:10 PM

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Yeah they aren't taking E-6's. I've got to reclass but I'm ok with that.

Response by SFC Charles Cox made Apr 25 at 2017 6:22 PM

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I got out of the Army as a SPC(P), went back in as a PVT six years later. I went from PVT (E-1) to SFC in 9 years. 1 rank isn't much, you will make it back fast.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2017 7:53 PM

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Well you would reduced if this is true one RANK thank means from SSG TO SGT not E-5 that's a pay grade

Response by SFC Steve Ouellette made Apr 25 at 2017 9:28 PM

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Yes, all recruiters have to do the rank determination to determine if there are openings in the army for your rank and if you have been out too long you may need refresher. I have seen it, you may or may not have to drop a rank. either way you can earn your rank back in no time since you will already meet the TIS requirements

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2017 12:21 AM

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As a former 88H, I'd look at all options available to you. I came on active duty from the reserves and took a one rank rip from SPC to PFC...then several years later I re classed to 25B. As an 88H it's pretty rough making SSG...I'd look into options to reclassify and/or look at how many many points you have. Everyone has made great points and suggestions...it just boils down to what you want to do and what you are willing to sacrifice they to the end-state. Happy hunting battle.

Response by SFC Craig Starr made Apr 26 at 2017 1:08 AM

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If you have been out more than 2 years. Yes, if not, Yes, E-6 is on you to earn. You did it already it should be a walk in the park.

It will also give you time to re-adjust, get up to speed with current technical and tactical changes and new Army policies. If your worth your salt, leadership will see it and have you back at a promotion board in no time.
Current Army promotes fast, it's not the 90s.

If you heart is on getting back in, follow it, just do it! I had a captain that came back in as a PFC. He was squared away. One day orders came down re-assigning his commission and immediate PCS to take command short notice overseas as a signal officer. He had been promoted to E-5 in less than a year after re-entry.

He initially resigned his commission During the draw down got out. Then enlisted in order to continue to serve. He followed his heart and grew professionally in the mean time.

Good luck!
Army Strong!

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Apr 26 at 2017 1:42 AM

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GO! Lead, Follow or Get out of the way!

Response by SSG Javier Antonsanti made Apr 26 at 2017 12:47 PM

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I went trough the same in 2001, took the reduction, and had to reclass.

Response by SSG William Jones made Apr 26 at 2017 3:18 PM

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I did. I dropped one paygrade after a 16 YEAR PLUS break in service. No regrets!

Response by SSG David Gleitz made Apr 27 at 2017 6:35 AM

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What pays more, active duty E5 or Reserve/Guard E6? I would do it. Also, grade determination doesn't mean you will be reduced and your recruiter is not the approval authority. There are factors to consider such as NCOES schools and need for E5 vs E6. You may be surprised, I just did one I thought would be reduced to E5, he's remaining an E6. You can try Reserve or Guard AGR but there's no guarantee you'll be selected for AGR. If active duty is where you want to be I would say go for it. Business rules aren't always open for NCOs so strike while the iron is hot and if you have to take a reduction work on getting promoted once you get on active duty.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Apr 27 at 2017 7:36 AM

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Depends a lot on your particular situation and reasons for wanting to get back in. Overall I'd say yes, especially if you're looking towards going on to retirement. During the post Vietnam RIF saw many Captain aviators come back as TSgts to get the 3 or so years they needed for retirement.

Response by SSG Benjamin Raymond made Apr 27 at 2017 1:54 PM

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It depends on how much active time you have and if they still have a retention control point. My concern would be you go on active duty and you're an E5 noe you have to get p status then enough points for E6, I would ask if you can reclass to an MOS that has E6 available, any active duty career counselors should be able to answer this in more detail, I'm not up to speed on current regulation

Response by SGT James Tyo made Apr 27 at 2017 2:33 PM

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Doesn't HRC Command have a cap on E-Grade per MOS as per the prior service business rules? I am an 88M E-5 If the MOS is not open per letter from the office of Secretary of Defense written to me... stated that restriction in place preclude any waiver I might attempt to seek esp. an age waiver. and that no current opening for 88M or pay grade E-5 and that I would need to be already Airborne qualified. yet I am athletic I (I am a runner) did serve 8yrs an E-5 ready to go back.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2017 12:58 AM

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Sometimes the things we want require sacrifice. If you are confident in your ability and in your desire to go active duty, do it with your head held high and work hard to get your rank back and continue up the ladder.

Response by SFC Tony Bennett made Apr 30 at 2017 12:16 AM

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If you love being a soldier and being around soldiers, YES. If not and you have other reasons for returning to active duty, then MAYBE

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2017 10:57 AM

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I was ready to. I was told I should get the rank back within the year.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2017 11:24 AM

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If you can get advanced to avoid the HYT window, you should. The reason is simple: you are missing your military life. Otherwise, you would ask this question. Just make sure that you would not get kicked out because of the HYT.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2017 2:19 PM

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There are current enlistment options for prior service E6 personel

Response by SSG Greg Dodson made May 8 at 2017 9:55 AM

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Is going back on active duty is important to you then taking a pay grade reduction should not be a major issue, having held the rank before you will regain it quickly and be the better for it.

Response by MSgt Edward Conrad made May 11 at 2017 5:55 AM

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IN 1975 I was discharged from the USMC,I was a SGT, STARTED MY NEW LIFE WORKED AS A SHEET METAL FABRICATION, GOT LAYED OFF, TOLD MY FAMILY I WAS GOING BACK IN THE USMC, SAW THE RECRUITER HE TOLD ME I WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AS A CPL, SO IN 6 MONTHS I WAS BACK TO SGT,,RETIRED IN 1975 AS A MSGT-8. NO REGRETS.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made May 13 at 2017 9:15 AM

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What branch were you in on Active duty? and how long were you out of the service?

Response by TSgt Robert Allen made May 14 at 2017 12:31 PM

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I would do it; you already have the qualifications and points to get promoted quickly back to your original E6. It happens all of the time when people transfer services.

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made May 15 at 2017 9:45 AM

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If you want go back on active duty, do it. You will get your rank back pretty fast

Response by SFC Fred Traylor made May 18 at 2017 3:53 PM

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The army is the greatest organization a person could ever wish to be part of....go do that son!

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made May 19 at 2017 8:19 PM

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Can you say big bonus?
Had a buddy who was a recruiter and said for everyone who came back at a reduced rank he got a bonus. Not sure how true that was.
Are you a reservist?
Have them evaluate you and when they offer the reduction to reenlist, decline and tell them you'll look into a different branch if you HAVE to take a reduction.
If you're not a reservist, see if that can keep your rank.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2017 11:08 AM

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Sometimes that is simply the price you have to pay. I took a few reductions over my career, I happened to go from Reserve to active Army, then back to the USAR in 89. Moved in 96 to an area where there were no USAR Centers so I took a hit of 1 pay grade to go to the Naval Reserve. Then in 2001 after the attacks I was mobilized and recalled to AD on the Navy side. I had to close down my business, so after the mobilization I took another reduction by 1 pay grade to stay on active duty. I entered AD on the Navy side as an E-5, got the rank back quickly in 2003 and then made Chief in 2007 so I eventually got back where I started. For us it was a price worth paying.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2017 9:44 PM

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Yes.

Response by SFC Thomas Holcomb made May 22 at 2017 9:09 AM

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I did, I got out once and realized that was not who I was meant to be. So went back in E5 to E4. Best thing I did.

Response by CW5 Donna Smith made May 23 at 2017 5:13 PM

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Yes and I was promoted back rather quickly. So if you want to come back on active duty, it is worth the reduction because you are going to be able to get your stripes back quickly.

Response by SFC Larry Jones made May 27 at 2017 1:57 AM

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Former recruiter/station commander/operations NCO. The recruiter has no say in the matter. It is determined by USAREC IAW AR 601-210. You can usually regain your rank fairly quickly, depending on vacancies within your MOS.

Response by SGT Stanley Bass made Jun 1 at 2017 5:26 PM

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When I joined in 1989. there was a person i went through AIT with that was prior service. He was a prior service E-5 (P) I believe. He went through AIT as an E-3. Right out of AIT He pinned on his E-4 and 9 or 10 months later when he was eligible he pinned on his E-5 again. It is just a process that some have to go through. If you are only taking a 1 rank reduction then you will be pro motable in no time and be set up to be an E-6 again. So go for it. Best of luck to you.

Response by CW4 Glen Nardin made Jun 1 at 2017 5:32 PM

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I got out in 1985 E-6. I reenlisted in 1993 an E-5. Had to repeat Basic Training. Retired CW4. Yeah, go back if you are willing to do the hard work.

Response by SMSgt John Clifford made Jun 1 at 2017 6:34 PM

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I did. Went from E-5 to E-4. It was worth it as I stayed in another 18 years and retired as an E-8.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2017 10:07 PM

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I agree with SSG Unger, it could open up other opportunities to reclass. But it really depends on you, if you are doing it because you need the job, or if you are doing it because you plan on completing your career, then no question go for it, you will make the rank back quick enough and depending on how long you were out, being an E5 for a little while might be a good thing as you get re-acclimated to being in again. If you have other reasons then you will have to weigh them out, but in all reality if you want to serve then it is a good idea, but also check out the AGR Program in the USAR and ARNG, the benefits are the same as Active Duty, its just that you work for the Reserves or National Guard.

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Jun 3 at 2017 9:24 AM

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Don't take this the wrong way but making E6 again should be pretty easy for you. I'm confident that if you perform up to expectations you could get your E6 back within a year. Making E6 is 99% on you. The other 1% is convincing your leadership that you're ready for E6 again so they can send you back to the board (I believe). Now if you were losing E7 then it'd take a lot longer. I say go for it then stay in til retirement!

Response by SSG Eric M Hersh made Jun 4 at 2017 4:34 AM

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no go find a good job and enjoy life.

Response by SFC Francisco Roman made Jun 4 at 2017 10:51 AM

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I have seen many National Guard personal go active with out any problems.why wold you a pay cut.look into it.give your self some time.

Response by 1SG Tom Carter made Jun 4 at 2017 1:17 PM

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When I was changing MOS at Ft. Gordon, we had a Drill PFC. He had been in the Reserves and an E6. When he decided to go Active, they reduced him to his last AD rank, PFC. it is odd seeing a PFC with a Drill patch.

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made Jun 5 at 2017 12:28 PM

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For me, it was the one-rank reduction to come back in all those years ago. I was doing okay on the outside, but i missed my AF job specialty. Made ground back up in okay fashion and enjoyed the next 15 years immensely. I'm also one to follow heart advice usually over head advice, so if your heart is telling that coming back to active duty is the best thing, then go for it.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Jun 6 at 2017 2:19 PM

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This does depend on how long you have been out.
As far as you N.C.O. Schools if you attended them while you were on ative duty.
You should not have to worry about recovering your rank.
It is kind of like changing units that wants to hold you back to go to the Bord.
Good luck I did the same thing.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 8 at 2017 9:24 AM

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I would and did do it 21 years ago. I ETS'd from Active Duty as an Infantry SGT. I spent the next 6 years in the NG as a SGT. When I requested to go back AD I had to take a one pay grade loss. It took me 6 months to get it back. It then took me less than a year to achieve SSG. I then went to OCS and am now finishing a very rewarding Career as an Army Officer.
I was really worried about being an outcast among the currently serving troops. I wasn't and quickly worked my way back into the fold. You won't regret a decision to rejoin the Active ranks. Your family won't either. GOOD LUCK! AIRBORNE!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2017 7:41 AM

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If it furthers your career do it! I Did! THREE times! Ha! Think of it this way, if a corporation offers you something better downstream, but in order to get on-board with them you'd have to accept a lateral position...would you do it? Weigh the PRO's & CON's on a sheet of paper...if the PRO's outweigh the CON's...it's a no-brainer....and if they are even or one off....then the question becomes: "Would you still benefit despite your concern?" Lastly, a great speaker once said: "Take away all my money and assets, but leave me my health and I'll get it all back! Follow your dream and don't let minor set backs interfere with your main goal in life! All the best to you! - TOP

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Jun 11 at 2017 11:23 PM

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If the call of duty, honor, country is so strong as to draw you back into active service, then one rank reduction might be sufficient to rejoin. You would regain rank as result of previous service. Question is whether military pay would be sufficient to sustain family, if married, or standard of living.

Response by 1SG David Spalding made Jun 12 at 2017 7:42 PM

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I had a 13 year break. Left as E6(P), came back in as an E4 (luckily only for a day and they fixed it. From there I made 1SG in 6 years. Best decision I ever made. Just make sure they set your DOR to E5 as the first date you were promoted to it, not your re-up date.

Response by Sgt Jonathan Reid made Jun 13 at 2017 9:16 AM

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Get your degree and go officer or WO is available.

Response by SGT Josh Johnson made Jun 19 at 2017 12:31 PM

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Shop around for re recruiters. If a recruiter has more need of enlistment, he can offer you more. There are waivers, he's just not interested enough to give you one. Some recruiters are more interested in new recruits, because it gives them more points on their evaluations, but a recruiter who is down on his numbers, with no more prospects, I'll be more willing. To illustrate this point, let me tell you: when I joined, I was told that I could get either the army college fund, or a $20,000 bonus. I went to basic training with a soldier who enlisted the same time as me, in a different state. He got the army college fund and a $20,000 enlistment bonus. I ended up with a $12,000 bonus and no college fund except the normal GI Bill.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2017 7:33 AM

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This is a decision no one can make for you. You have to decide if the cost is worth the benefit. But until you sign, you have all the power. There's nothing to REQUIRES you to take the reduction.

Do you have a MOS the Army is short on? Use that to your benefit. On the other hand, if you are in an overstrength MOS, you may have to take whatever they'll give you. Meaning no insult to cargo handlers, but my guess is the Army isn't hurting for them.

And thus we are back at the beginning. What do YOU want and what are you willing to pay to get it?

Response by Capt Dennis Tague made Jun 24 at 2017 11:54 AM

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I did this in 1972. After settling in at my permanent duty station, I applied for a Correction of Records, got my stripe back, and all back pay and TIG to date of re-enlistment.

Response by CW3 Bernadette's Page made Jun 27 at 2017 3:03 PM

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As a former 88H. I would try to go in as a different MOS. That MOS is very hard to make rank. I would take the reduction but a different job

Response by PO1 Dallas Shewmaker made Jun 30 at 2017 11:46 AM

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I served 6 years active... went reserve... then opted to go active when I become notified about an involuntary recall for 9/11. I won't go into my reasoning for that but I will say that I took the drop in rank and in the end, it hurt me when I was trying for E7 (Chief Petty Officer). My advice is to weigh out your options. I believe that you can volunteer for a full-time duty position as a reservist. You should consult with your billeting personnel or career counselors to explore some options. You will receive full-time benefits and pay without dunking a paygrade should you find yourself a billet that satisfies. Also, keep in mind that most of these kinds of billets are "needs of the service" positions. Meaning that you will most likely be deployed, be overseas, or it will be a temporary billet. Again, speak with your career counselor or billet personnel regarding this.

Working in recruiting before, I will tell you that recruiting prior service or reservists are actually placed low on the recruit panel. Not that there's anything wrong with them, just that recruiting efforts are generally focused on a certain demographic so signing up a "prior" is usually not as much as a priority as say a 17-year old male with no prospect of college in the future. That being said, when I got my reserve recall orders for 9/11, I happened to be working in recruiting and decided to take the paygrade deduction to go active instead... but I also negotiated a school and duty station location. So again, I suggest that you dig deep, assess your personal and career situation, and consider all options.

Response by SCPO William Garnett made Jul 4 at 2017 9:31 AM

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After I separated in 1985 (after 10 years) from the Navy , I decided to return to the Navy to get my 20 + years in back in 86. I got the schooling I asked for and didn't lose a stripe over it. I was an AT1 at the time. I did lose my Time in Grade so had to wait the 3 years before I could take the CPO exam. Sad part is that I took the exam before I separated and did not know I had been advanced. I've been retired since 1997 with all the benefits.

Response by MSG Jim Gawne made Jul 7 at 2017 9:02 PM

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A couple of things to consider - how long have you been out/away from active duty? Are your skills current? Will you need to reclassify to a shortage MOS? If a one grade reduction is all you face, and you really want to go back n the Regular Army, then you have a pretty good deal. Your time in grade will probably be adjusted, and possibly reset to zero, but all things considered, you stand a good chance of getting back to SSG within a couple of years.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Jul 9 at 2017 9:00 PM

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I remember being enlisted and earning every stripe the hard way. I cherished those stripes and worked real hard to keep them. I got out because of the lack of educational training and the freeze on my MOS 2131, Artillery weapons repairman. I was one of five repairman in the division and as such could not transfer MOS to any other job.
I got out and a year later went back to reenlist. I had to lose a stripe or two and this rubbed me the wrong way and didn't seem right. I refused to go back in and get stuck at a lower grade in a critical MOS.
While leaving the recruiting office an enterprising Sergeant told me about OCS, the qualifications and the benefits. Of course if you flunked out you were going to an infantry unit and at the rank you held at the time of OCS, usually Spec 5.
I rolled the dice and became an officer. managed to get some combat time, schools, and retired as a LTC.
You must think more on the subject and weigh the pros and cons. Will it benefit you in the long run? Will it help or not help your family (if you have one), and how promotable is the MOS you wish to learn or reinforce.
With your prior experience, you are ahead of the new guys applying for promotion. With your schooling in your MOS you are more valuable. So it comes down to do I really want to do this or not. Don't jump, plan it out and take your time to decide your future. Then, you will never regret it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2017 9:29 PM

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I knew a few that did. I am going to say that it just depends on the job.

Response by SSgt David Tedrow made Jul 9 at 2017 10:50 PM

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It all depends on how bad you want to go AD. You would more than likely pickup the rank you lost rather quickly based on training and experience. The answer is really, what is your goal by going AD?

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Jul 10 at 2017 10:50 AM

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I suppose much would depend on how long one had been "out" and the need for one's MOS. I don't know if the recruiter could give any idea as to how long it would take to regain the former rank and put back into the promotion flow for the future. It seems to me as a veteran with prior service that ended 30 years ago that the reduction in rank would boil down to how badly one wishes to reenter the military.

Response by Sgt Lew Dunham made Jul 13 at 2017 3:39 PM

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As others have indicated ... if you want to go back in, just do whatever it takes to get back on the roster. Twenty years or so from now (which will be here in a blink of an eye) all this will be a faint memory as you collect your pension.

Don't be the guy (or gal) who spends a lifetime regretting your decision over stripes or the money ... it's not that much in the long run.

Study law while you're in. Our small town attorney makes $172,000 a year and wants a raise.

Response by MAJ Glenn Lasater made Jul 16 at 2017 2:23 PM

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I lost a stripe moving from the AF to the Army but i got it back with two more promotions within a year. Definitely worth it.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jul 16 at 2017 3:43 PM

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You'll be able to do it with your hand tied behind your back.. all you need is build the time back up. It's not like you're starting over at Pvt . Your leaders will see that you can handle what they throw at you with ease..you might even get that stripe back sooner than you think! Much success to you!

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jul 16 at 2017 3:48 PM

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I'm wondering were somebody wanted to make him feel bad about getting out.. Suppose there's a reg/reason for e'thing under the moon & Stars & sun to back why he repeated..

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jul 16 at 2017 6:07 PM

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There needs to be a way of putting retreads back to duty without mixing them with brand new recruits. This way they all got s'thing in common and that is they rejoined. if there is enough of them formm them up in a platoon or a flightdepending on the service. Many I've met have cross serviced to try out another service branch.. we had a guy that came toys from the Army. He hadn't been out of the Army long and came into the AF as a E- 5. The AF and Army are as different as night and day.. he'd been a Cook in the Army also, He got a orientation at base HQ to help him learn about the AF. We helped him also. I asked him what he learned and he let me know it was a lot different than in the Army.. not as tense he said. I was an A1C at the time and I talked to our Training
NCO who got me a paperback manual from NCO Academy, brand spanking new..
it came with a work book in the back. He didn't say it was a loan but I treated it as if it was.. before I left he told me it was mine.. and keep it secured, my eyes only..
I decided to leave it home when I left to go
O'seas. I wished I had took it with me...
When I was in Thailand after 'Nam I went to Base education to see what I could order from Air University.. It was limited ordering on my own.. so I went back to
Squadron to see what assistance they could render.. "Why would you want to order a book like that, don't waste your time studying SSG! Go chase some p****, have fun ! Definitely didn't get no help from him! So I went to base library
To see what they had.. they had quite a bit, I was surprised for a library over there to have the collection they had. A TSG told me that guys would bring in almost like-new leadership manuals because they didn't want to haul them home in their hold baggage. So I checked a couple different ones out and took them back to barracks. I didn't pay attention at first that she never put a due date stamping in the back. She told me don't fret, just bring them back when ready...
nice ... when it was monsoon time I managed to keep them from getting soiled. I used food service film to protect
Them on the outside .. My roomy said we had a leak around the edge of the windows and he eyed my leadership books.. I got him some towels I had gotten at the supply shed. I said don't even think of using the books, they're the library's, not mine ! I had to guard them books.. it seemed keeping dry was more important to him .. I learned to not study so much at a time and try to enjoy myself more.. it helped some, but I thought it was hindering my studying, not helping it.
Studying seemed to make the stay go faster. I'd extended when I had 6 mo. I was already at my year mark and it seemed like I just extended. Another thing I had going was throw myself into my work and stay busy., don't be a clock watcher... shift went faster it seemed like.
It was time to rotate back.. Our Cmdr. said it was so bloody hot and he gave the five of us permission to go to the Phillipines in our BDUs. I had a nice clean set and wore them.... we were somewhere .. I think it was Ubon, It had to be 100+ outside that 130. I was in a regular sauna in that 130. They had us down load and we went in the terminal and stayed out of the way, not be so conspicuous in our BDUs around all them khaki Uniforms..
The clerk announced our flight, a 141...
then another surprise.. we had about 16 Marines going with us.. so we fell in at the back of them and got on board that 141 and in about 15 minutes we were airborne on our way to the Next base and then the Philippines.. We didn't have to get off ..
the Marines didn't either. We got airborne again and then landed in the Philippines. I found me a ride to base gym and got me a fresh shower and got my 1505s out of my flight bag. They were in great shape.. I got them on and got my ride back to the terminal.. I was supposed to be leaving in 6 hours... the SSG asked me my weight.. I told him 170.. "Get on the scale SSG! You lied, 167!" Hmm I lost 3 lbs between Udorn & The Philippines... my bag got pulled from the other flight and put on the pallet for tbe flight I'd be going on.. I didn't know it but s'where after leaving Japan we caughtba great tailwind to take us directly into Travis. Couldn't ask for better ! We landed, got through customs and I was getting a ticket for Detroit(DTW).. a phone call came into the Sato desk.. My Uncle seems to know people that had connections in lots of places.. This friend of his told the Sato guy to charge a ticket to him on PSA to fly me to LAX. They could cut my ticket to DTWv for 10 the next day..if I wanted.. it worked out .. So I flew down to Lax and Went from there to Uncle's home and then to the V.F.W. where he signed me up. We had s'thing to eat then went to his house. Man was I tired ! Slept good.. in the morning I got ready and he took me to Lax to catch my flight home.. it was supposed to be a 4.5
Hour flight.. our pilot caught the right winds and we we're at DTW with about 40 minutes to spare. .. get off that jet, get my bag and get a ride home .. getting closer by the minute !

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2017 6:40 PM

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What a load of crap. Why are they trying to punish you just because you want to go back to active duty. You should stand your ground and not take any crap.

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Jul 17 at 2017 8:50 PM

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Only if your still physicallyable, mentally prepared, and will enjoy what you will do! Otherwise don't do it

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2017 9:00 PM

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If you really want it, go for it. You'll be back at Staff before you know it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2017 7:55 AM

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Update: My conditional release from the reserve has been approved and today I go see the recruiter to start the second phase of the process. I probably won't find out if I have to take a rank reduction until I go to MEPS. I'll keep updating this post. Thank you a for your opinions and advice.

Response by MSG Bob Leonard made Jul 21 at 2017 12:33 PM

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I took the rank reduction from E-4 to E-2 and made E-5 in less than a year after going back to AD..Made E-6 just under 3 years back on AD. Went on to have a great career. My Reserve time coupled with my education gave me an edge. I think it can be a positive way to go.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Jul 21 at 2017 12:42 PM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member -- in the picture with you question, who's the LTC on the left? Looks like a guy I worked with. Can't quite read the name tape.
Thanks.

Response by PO1 Robert Kay made Jul 21 at 2017 1:23 PM

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I was discharged in January1969 from the USAF as an E-4. In March 1971, after much discussion with my then wife and family members and the Navy recruiter I decided to enter the US Navy as an E-3 non-rated. I had to serve 1-year of sea duty before becoming eligible for schooling. I went to Data Processing Technician Class A school in San Deigo after serving 1 year aboad the USS Paul (FF1080). I went to Groton, CT where I become an E-4 in 1974. It took 3 years for E-5 to come because they closed the rank as it became so full. In 1979, the first time I became eligible for E-6 I took the test and passed and became a DP1 in 1980. I held that rank until discharge in 1983. I do not regret taking the lost of rank
Anyone wishing to reenter and must take a reduction I would tell them to consider your discharged rank and the rank being offered and just how much time you served before being discharged. Had I been in for 8 years and wished to go back and was an E-5 or E-6 I would have to think hard about it.

Response by SPC Ray Hicks made Jul 23 at 2017 1:06 PM

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So, let me get this straight . I'm looking at this from 2 angles . One before entering service and two after service . If by chance you were a college grad ,there is a good possibility you were given a commission . But on the other hand ,if you were honorably discharged and then went to college on the GI BILL received your degree and certifications in addition to all being related in furtherance of your military specialized training , mine being aviation: commercial multi engine flight training,and emergency medical as a minor and a second degree in electronics design engineering minoring in psychology and political science , all this added on top of defense contractor related technical experiences . then the military says that you are worth "less"?
Any time you have to "negotiate" with the military...it never ends well.

Response by PO2 Michael Henry made Jul 23 at 2017 10:47 PM

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Crossed my mind for a second, then I realized I would not pass a physical, let alone the PRT, due to injuries and medical conditions (Permanent nerve damage in both arms, hypothyroidism and sleep apnea are the big ones) sustained while serving. I would have to pick a new rate (Navy) meaning drop from E5-E3 while in school for a new rate, but I would have "fleet returnee" status among the students as well as 8 certs under my belt. Automatic E4 after "A" school and E-5 after "C" school. However since I am only a few classes away from a BS degree in IT Security, I could go in as an officer. However the same issues remain. I wish I could go back in for the job security, just lose the PRT and weigh ins.

Response by Cpl Daniel Mercer made Jul 25 at 2017 2:18 PM

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I've always hated the lose a rank criteria for people to go back on active duty. Once they earned a rank they should keep it unless they screwed it up by their performance or conduct. You work hard for your rank . Now if you were going to the reserves you would keep your last rank . My thing is, if they feel you might be behind on some stuff then all the military has to do is to bring you up to speed on things.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2017 3:02 PM

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...Heaven Yes!!!! If I wanted it: no stopping!!! You will earn it back.

Response by MSG Kenneth Adams made Jul 27 at 2017 12:04 AM

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NO, any injury will be the undoing of everything accomplished in or out of uniform

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2017 6:43 PM

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I rarely comment on Rally Point, however, this one is right up my alley. I was a SSG when I left the Army in 1999. After a ten year break in service I enlisted back into our ranks. My grade determination waiver came back and to my surprise I took a two grade reduction in order to enlist and I was only offered 11X w/Airborne option. I was 36 years old at the time but I gladly accepted. I knew that having been a NCO in the past, it should be easier the second time around. Long story short: entered July 2009, promoted to SGT September 2010, promoted to SSG March 2011 (yes, six months later), made the FY15 SFC list and was pinned to SFC June 2016. Took me 6 years to go from a SPC non-promotable to making the SFC list and I pinned in right under 7 years. So you ask if you should take a reduction? My question to you is why wouldn't you? You have a better option? I work in USAREC by the way, so if you have any recruiting questions, hit me up! Good luck with your decision.

Response by SSgt Jerrol Olson made Jul 27 at 2017 6:48 PM

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Personal choice no body can answer that for you. As long as you can live with the potential "old guy, young rank" stereo type and not be a prick about it and constantly feel you have something to prove to your younger Seniors. Just accept it.

I did 10 years got out in 99. Reenlisted in 2005, they took away 3.5 years time in grade as a Sergeant. I was good to go. You grow on your merits. I was the old guy and got the job done.

Best of luck to you.

Response by TSgt Dan Decker made Jul 30 at 2017 11:39 PM

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Right after 9/11, a bunch of us older vets tried to go back on active duty after having retired. I had retired in 1986. Even went down to the recruiting office to check on it. We were told we were too old, too fat, too out of condition, and too broken down; thanks, but no thanks. None of those conditions would have prevented us from holding down a desk, but they wouldn't hear of it. So we grumbled and bitched and moaned and finally went on home. I would have taken a reduction of rank in a heartbeat! Terrible thing to feel unwanted!

Response by CW4 Robert Goldsmith made Jul 31 at 2017 9:35 PM

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SSG Encarnacion,
I did it as a Corporal in the Marine Corps Reserves before enlisting in the Army with no service breaks. I chose an MOS that had a 27-week long AIT and before it was over I had my pay grade back. What I also had was a level of maturity, discipline and experience from my prior service that catapulted my Army career and nearly 18 years later, I retired as a CW4.

Response by SA Michael Moore made Jul 31 at 2017 9:43 PM

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Years ago there was a retired USMC LtCol who joined the Iowa Guard amnd had to go in as an E5 becuse they had no O-? billets available, The unit was called up and he shipped off to Iraq. He was KIA and had a military funeral and was buriedn as a USMC Lt Col.

Response by 2LT Evan Arguello made Aug 5 at 2017 8:04 AM

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I went from E1 to E5, then became O1 at my 9 year anniversary. I was Clinton downsized out at 12 years, a few year before 9/11. Although I have a decent civilian career, and if I had the chance to go back in at 49 years old for those remaining 8 years to add to my already guaranteed civilian pension, I would go back in as E1 if it were my only option!
I am already guaranteed to at least retire at the highest rank I ever made. My degree alone gives me more points than someone who was both an airborne ranger and green beret. I would quickly rise through the ranks, and even possibly petition for my commission back. If not, I consider E7 my enlisted equivalent, which I could realistically get in 8 years.

Response by SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret made Aug 5 at 2017 10:42 AM

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I was an airplane mechanic when I got out in 1963 and found out I did not quallify to work on airplanes. 1 year later I took a 2 rank reduction, E5 to E3, went to crypto repair school and that set me up for a great civilian job with EDS after I retired i. 1981.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2017 9:25 PM

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Years ago when I was a BCT Company Commander at Fort Benning, we had a SGT go through with us who apparently had to take a reduction in rank plus remove all of his qualification badges. The reason is that he had been off AD for over 5 years. Once he completed BCT, he put on the qual badges, and I believe he recovered the rank of SSG within a year. Keep in mind that this was in the first few years after 9-11, though.

Response by SGT James Tyo made Aug 10 at 2017 7:52 PM

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I am athletic (I am a RRCA Certified Running Coach) served 8yrs an E-5 ready to go back. Where are the waivers in my favor? So that i can serve 12 more years. I am an asset if only someone would see potential in me.

Response by SGT Rick Bell made Aug 12 at 2017 2:46 PM

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I faced this myself years ago. I would loose 1 stripe to return to the Army and 2 to enter the Air Force. In the end, I decided not to return. For me it was 1 month after I left to go back in. Not much at home for me then and no reason to stay back then either. I do miss it and days I regret it. Knowing what I know now, I'd maybe go back in, but some days I'm glad I left and did National Guard and Reserves time. Either way you have to live with the decision. Some days I wish I stayed, and some days I'm glad I left. I know it's not much help, but in the end, both sides have merit and I'm still not sure getting out was the right answer. Not sure if it was the right one either... Good luck brother!

Response by CWO2 Frank Slaby made Aug 13 at 2017 10:27 AM

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Lots of variables here to just post one "answer." It would depend on how much one liked his specialty and the original military branch. Would not hurt to "shop around" with other services especially if one has marketable skills other services need. Might be a good way to avoid pay grade reduction and also negotiate some advanced training.

Response by CPO Bill Penrod made Aug 14 at 2017 5:51 PM

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I went from e-4 to e-3 years ago made it back the first exam but e-6 to e-5 is a total different ball game. Have you tried to volunteer for extended active duty for training and work from the inside Good luck...

Response by SFC Joseph McCausland made Aug 20 at 2017 11:22 AM

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My suggestion is.. try the "Ben Franklin Check List".. on one side list the reasons why going back on active duty is a good idea and the other side why staying a civilian is best for you...then... trust your gut. Best of Luck

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2017 10:31 AM

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I took a 1-grade reduction from SSG to SGT in order to come back in. Please don't look for anything that makes sense to the reasonable person in the outside as an argument to keep your rank. Also, don't count on "getting it back quickly" either. As many in this thread have offered in their advice, look at coming back in as a stand-alone opportunity. If you don't attach any expectations to that, you'll be very happy when you get back. If you attach an expectation to "get back" your stripe quickly and it doesn't happen, you don't want the burden of that anger clouding your judgement for good career options once you're back. For me, I gladly took the grade reduction and now I'm exploring an excellent reclass opportunity that would not have been available if I was an E-6. Best of luck.

Response by SSG Carl Spivey made Aug 29 at 2017 1:03 PM

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Hell No! They should consider your active duty life; college, owning a buisness; volunteer work.etc.you're a better man; don't take a reduction unless you been in jaii....

Response by MSgt Mike P. made Aug 30 at 2017 11:05 PM

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I took a reduction of two, (E6 to E4), many years ago, changed services and took several years to get them back, so keep that in mind. I would do it over again, but it was a shock at the time how long it took to get back! It was difficult understanding the "new" lingo", etc, and had to learn a different career field.

Response by SP5 Bill Ward made Sep 1 at 2017 7:07 PM

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Why not? You'd still be an nco

Response by TSgt James Carson made Sep 5 at 2017 4:34 PM

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NO you shouldn't. You just need to burn the midnight oil and catch up. If anything you should be promoted if they want you to return that badly.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2017 8:16 PM

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"You never really appreciate a rank until you've had it at least twice" Chesty Puller

Response by CPT Scott Batz made Sep 18 at 2017 12:36 PM

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Taking the rank reduction is temporary. If you want to get back on active duty.... the promotion will happen again when time at grade is met again. Speak with recruiter

Response by 1SG Charles Simpson made Sep 25 at 2017 1:41 AM

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If you have voluntarily removed yourself from the Active Duty roster, your prior service will count as DD 214 time but may not necessarily qualify you to re-enter active duty with that same grade or rating. You must meet the present conditions for enlistment, not re-enlistment. Enlistment into our military forces depends solely on the needs of the service and not individual needs of the enlistee. If you have to give up only one grade in rank, consider yourself lucky.

Response by SSgt William Mavis made Sep 28 at 2017 3:11 PM

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if i were able i d be a private just to go home ,they make such a big deal about adjusting to service,i was 17,when i joined the CORPS,after a lifetime their is no boot for the world

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2017 2:51 PM

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Other ways to return to active duty is by pursuing an officer commission, if you have a qualifying degree this could be a great option.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Sep 30 at 2017 5:36 PM

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I left the Active Duty Army in 1984 as a SP4 (E-4). Seventeen years later I joined the Air Guard, went in as a SrA (E-4) and got a waiver for both BMT and Tech School. Once I had a few "Air Force" years under my belt and met my job classifications I switched to the AF Reserve. Promotions came pretty fast.

It's more about who you are and the effort you put in. I found that most folks don't want to put in the time, effort, and education to promote. For those of us that do, it's an easy process.

If you want to go back AD, then giving up a stripe is a small price to pay. If you are squared away, you will get it back quickly.

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Sep 30 at 2017 7:30 PM

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I got out as an E-4. Eight years later, I joined the Army Reserve as an E-3. Made E-6, and was on the list for E-7, but had a heart attack.

The asshats at ARPERCEN tried to bounce me out with 19 years, 11 months, and 14 days of creditable service. Fortunately. I got hooked up with a LTC in the personnel section, and together, we buried ARPERCEN under a ton of paperwork (appeaels, etc). By the time ARPERCEN finally won, I had over 24 years, and was able to retire.

My heart attack was attributed to exposure to Agent Orange while serving in Vietnam, so the government sent me a fat settlement check. (six figures, with a crooked number in front) Then, they asked me if I wanted retirement pay, or CRSC (Combat Related Special Compensation) Retirement pay and CRSC were identical; retirement pay was taxible, CRSC was not. That was pretty much a no brainer.

So. yeah, take the bust, and earn your rank back But be aware that sometimes, promotion is quicker in the Individual Ready Reserve.

Response by MSG Don Burt made Oct 1 at 2017 12:27 PM

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To me the question is not should I take a reduction but should I get back in? If you're a Patriot, then the rank will come when and if you get back in. There's really not an option unless you can find a different recruiter or else talk to the recruiter and convince him that you are what the Military needs at this time...if yours is a critical MOS then you've got grounds to keep your rank...there again, how long have you been out, as you might have to go thru some retraining, maybe. I did it a long time ago but my options were limited to Clerk, Cook or Drill Sgt, so for me, I became a Drill Sgt and did not lose my rank of E5 for being out nine years. Sell yourself first and convince the recruiter or your someone in your command to help. Hope you make the right decision for the right reason! HOOAH!

Response by CPT Andrew Trimble made Oct 1 at 2017 1:30 PM

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I did it 19 years ago from Sergeant to Specealist and I just retired a Captain with 32 years total service. I wouldnt change it for anything in the world. GO FOR IT!!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 2:38 PM

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DO NOT take a rank reduction. It is against usarecs regs. I’m a recruiter and people try and do it all the time.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Oct 4 at 2017 12:53 PM

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You always lose a stipe if you been separated for more than 90 days. They know you are desperate so the choice is take it or leave it.

Response by CPT Andrew Trimble made Oct 5 at 2017 12:45 AM

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By the way, You should email me direct because I found out after the fact that the guy that made me do it was lying so it is not always necessary. my email is [login to see] what is your email so I can watch for you in my spam folder?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2017 11:12 AM

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As you well know, it's based on the slots - take the reduction and get the rank back with time and points... you did it once, you can do it again. Lord knows, I did.

Response by SGT Karen R Scott made Oct 8 at 2017 12:32 AM

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NO! We should not stab you in the back we should appreciate & respect that you are going back into the service. What is the reason for this, no reason! Training before your assignment, but not take your rank that you worked hard to achieve! It serves no purpose. And those that are obstructing correcting rank that a person achieved should be corrected. Rank on DD214 states E-5, but it should be W01! Not all are given proper support when wrong is carried out I only wish we start caring for our own much better than what has been carried out in the past!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2017 2:19 PM

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If you want to go why not.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2017 11:16 PM

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Have you considered checking into other services? You may get a better offer depending on the needs of the service.

Response by SSG Lonny Self made Oct 13 at 2017 10:03 AM

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no if you you can get it waived so first are you an E-6 and I am guessing army if you have attended your b school for your MOS and you have not been out longer than a 15 mos and if your not changing MOS , beware f the mos change because you will have lots to catch up AIT b school and you will have to reborde more than likely

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Oct 18 at 2017 8:57 PM

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Have you Ever thought about going to OCS or maybe as a warrant officer school or a different branch of service?
SSG Mark Franzen
USA VET

Response by SP5 Steve Powell made Oct 20 at 2017 11:41 AM

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Deleted content...should have read all the other posts first b/c my Comments are not applicable now. Nonetheless, Good Luck SSG Encarnacion in all that you do!! God Bless!!

Response by SSG Russell Watson made Oct 22 at 2017 6:47 PM

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I did in September of 1999. Reduced to SGT from SSG. Exactly one year later went to the E6 board and pinned it back on 3 months later.

Response by SSG Wayne Wood made Oct 23 at 2017 11:00 AM

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I took a rank reduction after being out for almost three years. I lost a stripe as I was an E-4 when I got out - in a way, I lost two stripes as I would have been boarded had I raised my hand (but, I won't count my chickens...) - had I not got a couple years' college during my break in service I would have lost more. As a prior service soldier it didn't take me long to get my E-4 back (I think I was pinned about 90 days after reporting to my unit - at that time the minimum, I think). After that the hardest part was getting E-5, mainly due to being laid up some eight or nine months after Gallant Eagle 82 and the jury was out whether I'd be able to even stay in the Army.

Here's the kicker and why I'm taking so much time (apologies) - when I did go before the board for E-5 I had something like 1056 admin points when I came out of the board. With my prior service, education, awards I was maxed out on Time in Service, Education, about every area. Back then they gave bonus points for being in the 82nd. I knew no matter what the cutoff score was there was going to be one swinging individual who was getting promoted in 90 days.

It wasn't fourteen months later I was boarded for E-6 - this time because I didn't have as much TIG (I think I'd take the trade considering the reason for the "delay" in getting E-5) for E-6. But I had 1006 points for E-6 - again, I knew there would be ONE promotion coming... It was a little over three years and I was E-6. Back in the early 80s (my DOR was Feb 84) that was pretty good, I think, considering I lost almost a year banged up on light duty and profile. And I might have made it faster had I not pushed for a jump slot and left my first unit.

I do remember a guy during my first hitch, a Vietnam vet who came in to my outfit in Germany a PFC and within two years was an E-6 gun chief. A bit better than I, I think.

So I'm not bragging, but merely offering myself up as an example of what a prior serviceman can do if he or she comes in and puts the nose to the grindstone.

I won't say it was easy. I remember there were a couple "young studs" in my first outfit who had just gotten E-5 who seemed to get a kick of hassling the "old PFC." But I ran into one of them a few years later at Womack Army Hospital a few years later after I made SSG; he was still an E-5. I didn't have to say a thing, but the moment was precious.

Response by LtCol Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2017 10:07 PM

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If you want to go back on active duty, then take it and be grateful you get to be back in the game. Rank doesn't mean anything if you have the passion, and if you have the passion, the rank will come back on its own time.

Response by MSG Carl Clark made Oct 29 at 2017 7:38 PM

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Of course you should take a reduction in rank. It’s a no brainer. Your rank in civilian life means NOTHING to you or anyone else. It is a relic of your past that cannot be represented in resources, but your continued service can. Reconnecting military service means everything. Pays, benefits and the recurring revenue of retirement. You will get back whatever you give up in rank/grade, and much much more.

Response by Joey Damir made Oct 29 at 2017 10:08 PM

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If you want to get back on Active that strongly, then my advice is to take the 1 rank reduction

Response by SGT Steven Ransbottom made Oct 30 at 2017 9:37 PM

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If your desire is that strong, then yes, I would do it. You know what it takes to get there. I am going to guess that it would be easier the next go around to earn that stripe back. Let us know what you do, would be interesting to see how that shakes out. Good Luck and Gods Speed.

Response by MSgt Joe Blaylock made Nov 1 at 2017 1:49 AM

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I got out of the Air Force after four years as an E-5. When I went back in six years later I had to go in as an E-4. I got that stripe back very quickly and retired after 20, an E-7. It was like it never happened. I highly recommend you go for it.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2017 12:38 PM

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First, go look in AR 601-210 to determine any training requirements based upon how long you've been out. Secondly, you may not have to take a reduction based upon your MOS. you have to check the latest business rules to find out. If you want to message me I can give you the information.

Response by SFC Mike K made Nov 2 at 2017 7:39 PM

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Depending on how long you have been out will determine how far down he reduction is. If you have time you could go to the reserves and go to the Drill Sergeant Program get promoted again and depending on what is available in the shortage MOS's you may be able to keep the promotion. If you want to get back into the MOS you had and you enjoyed it, (but at the time didn't realize it) then I would go back in with the reduction. As stated in another post, you have the schooling, experience and time in service so a promotion back to SSG wouldn't be that long.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2017 4:33 AM

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A fellow Honor Guardsman I served with, who was later one of my PME instructors, went from E-6 in the Reserves to E-3 AD. I don't think she regretted a minute of it. She bled so blue it was crazy!

Response by PO1 Steven Bridge made Nov 3 at 2017 5:21 PM

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Smart move. Do it. Retirement age will hit you before you know it.... small sacrifice financially is well worth the investment long term.

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Nov 3 at 2017 5:38 PM

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I went the other way. Left Active Duty joined the Guard about a year later. Dropped a rank but make it back quick.

Response by SSG Billie Dalton made Nov 4 at 2017 10:55 AM

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Yes

Response by SSG Kevin Price SR made Nov 5 at 2017 9:59 PM

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I did way back in 1985. I had been out for a few years, and the best they could do was re-enter as an E-2. And in less than 1 year, I was already back up to E-5 and been before the board for E-6. As long as you aren't going back into an over-strength MOS, you should be back before the board in less than 6 months (if not sooner). As soon as you meet the promotion points, you'll be back as a E-6 in no time

Response by SSgt Gary Hudgins made Nov 8 at 2017 2:42 PM

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When I went to re-enlist, they told me the same thing, unless I went reserves. In Reserves, I kept my rank, time-in-grade, time-in-service...everything. However, coming from the Marines, there was no way I wanted to have to "re-earn" that Cpl. stripe. I went reserves, and retired in '99.

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Nov 12 at 2017 11:35 PM

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I THINK THAT IF WE LIKE TO GO BACK IN ACTIVE DUTY WE SHOULD KEEP OUE RANK TO KEEP THE MILITARY STORN and YOU ARE GOING IN THE MOS YOU WHERE IN BEFOR ,FOR 1 1/2 TO 2 YRS. IT IS ALSO KNOWLEDGE,EXPERINCE, AND THE EDUCATION OF THE TECH.SCHOOL AND OR COLLEGIATE AND UNIVERSITY,AND THE TIME YOU WHERE IN THE MOS BEFOR YOU LEFT THE MILITARY. BUT THIS UP TO BOTH SIDE OF THE U.S.HOUSE AND THE U.S.SEN.IN W.D.C. 88H IS IN TARNSPORTTAION SEA VESSEL AND CARCO. I WAS A 88P DIESEL LCMOTIVE MECHAINC.88T RIAL TRACK MAINTS AWAY WORKER,63h HEAVY MOBILE VECH.MECHAINC/TOWING

Response by PO1 Joseph Glennon made Nov 15 at 2017 6:37 PM

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I got out as an E5. To get back in, I had to take a reduction in rate. 6 months later, I took the advancement exam again, and was promoted back to E5.

The pros: I didn't lose "time in service", so my pay, even at the next level down, was still a "liveable wage".
The cons: I did lose "time in grade" towards the next advancement (E6). That wouldn't have been a major obstacle, but I picked E5 back up at the start of the Clinton years, when he was gutting the military.

That being said - I had gotten out because I wasn't offered a shore duty that I liked, so I "took my own" with every intention of going back in. My decision, so the repercussions were also mine to own.

There are far worse fates than to drop a paygrade to reenter military service.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2017 8:07 AM

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It depends on you. How bad do you want it. I took the 1 rank reduction. I went back as a E4. A year later I received my E5. 17 years later I'm still serving with the rank E8. So, it depends on your motivation to lead Soldiers. I hope this helps.

Response by SPC David Willis made Nov 16 at 2017 9:22 AM

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It all depends, if you're 100% out than year its no biggie since you're not advancing anymore. If you're in a guard unit and you're close to hitting your 7 you may want to hold off especially, as there may be a 7 slot and even then if you go down in rank you'd still have the schooling needed for the promotion to 7. But really you gotta decide if active is worth it.

Response by SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter made Nov 16 at 2017 9:48 AM

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If that's what you want to do go for it! The reduction in rank is just a minor setback you can regain that in due time!

Response by PO1 John Y. made Nov 16 at 2017 8:12 PM

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Yes as it may be your only way of doing so

Response by SGT Ivory Brown made Nov 19 at 2017 5:56 PM

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Gonna have to echo. If you did once you can do it again. You have a leg up that you know the in's and out's and you should know how to play the game.

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Nov 21 at 2017 10:12 PM

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I took a rank reduction in 1981 when I re-enlisted and was dropped from E-4 to PVT E-1. It was hard but within a year I regained all my rank back because of Time in Service and time in grade so it wasn't so hard. When I re-enlisted again in 2006 my rank was re instated to the same rank that I left at, E-5. It was worth it.

Response by PO1 Jimm Mooney made Nov 23 at 2017 12:04 PM

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That is a decision only you can make. By now, I am sure you have made it. I decided years ago to go back to active duty and changed from Army to Navy, which cost me two pay grades; E-5 to E-3. That was a challenge going from a NCO to a lower enlisted, but within a few short years I was E-6. A buddy of mine who was a decorated combat Vietnam vet had to take a bigger hit from E-6 to E-3. Going from E-6 to E-5 doesn't sound like a bad trade off to go back to active duty. You lose a little, but you already have the necessary skill sets and training to move back into the promotion cycle pretty quickly.

I wish you and your family all the best; and thank you for your service.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2017 12:51 PM

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I Did not take a reduction, I did go back on TPU status with a Reserve unit, then applied for an ADOS tour. You're Reserve on Active Duty status. I have known several good NCO's who did that option and stayed on Active duty for long periods of time.

There are certain benefits either way I suppose. If you take the reduction and go Active and stay until you are able to retire, you get your retirement immediately upon retirement. As a Reservist, you have to wait until you are 60 years of age.

I went Reserve because I liked the freedom of working a civilian job, and the Army job. Decide carefully. Either way you go, I wish the best for you.

Response by SSG Thomas Barry made Nov 27 at 2017 1:39 PM

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fine suggestion It is tough out here and 20 is just around the corner even if it is a big corner

Response by SSG Greg Dodson made Nov 29 at 2017 8:50 PM

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If you truly are interested in going back on active duty then yes a reduction in rank will only be short-lived

Response by CWO4 Ray Fairman made Dec 2 at 2017 7:55 AM

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At one point in the reserve portion of my career when I was a USAR E7 and had been an AD E6 in the USMC during Nam, I wanted to return to AD because of a pending job change issue; I would have gladly accepted a one rank drop. My Monitor, however, for some reason had other ideas and wanted me to accept a drop to E3 with 15 years of service credit...instead I went to the USAFR with a 2 rank drop and within 2 months was back to E6... 2 years later I went back to the USMCR as an E6 and within 5 months made W1 and a year later picked up E7 on a remedial promotion board with 7 months back pay.. so if you meet the qualifications ...your rank will return faster than you may expect based on your performance

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2017 1:24 PM

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I can't imagine it taking very long for your unit to send you to a promotion board, especially if you have significant time in service.

Response by SSG Dr. John Bell, PhD. made Dec 3 at 2017 10:24 PM

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I was in the Marrine Corps in 1974. After 12 years got out. In 1977 due to economy in Oregon; I wanted back in the military. I had to take a rank determination. I left the Marines as a SSgt (E-6), joined USAFR was a Tsg (E-6), but to go active duty all I was able to get was E-3 in the Army. I took it and ended up in Walter Reed Army Medical Center on a computer. Was promoted from E-3 in 1977 to E-6 in 1979. So I got it all back. Then retired. Worked as an Army civilian GS-7 doing my old job for 12 years.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2017 1:23 PM

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Also consider if you get reduced, do you have enough TIS to not be close or go over your RCP for SGT. Because if you get SGT and your too close to RCP you won’t go active. It was also suggested to go AGR but that’s not guaranteed when you first go to MEPS to go NG or USAR so you may find yourself in part time still trying to go active but now need a Commander to release you.

Response by SSG Robert Albright made Dec 8 at 2017 2:15 PM

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Depends on your situation. I made the jump back in 08, at age 40, as a SSG. I was lucky enough not to lose rank cause I already had BNCOC out of the way and the army needed experienced Infantrymen. If I had to do it again and lose rank, I probably would. I had five kids and was tired of starving in Alabama.

Response by Dennis Aubuchon made Dec 9 at 2017 9:16 AM

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If you have a specific rank and want to return to active duty you should not be demoted. You earned your rank and returning to active duty should not impact the rank you hold

Response by Cpl Robert Robertson made Dec 9 at 2017 12:48 PM

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Depends. What do you want and what will get? (goes without saying get any promise in clear writing)

Response by TSgt Gwen Walcott made Dec 21 at 2017 12:43 PM

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I would
But they don't have a use for septuagenarians

Response by PO2 Orlando Sims, MPA made Dec 21 at 2017 4:34 PM

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I was looking at your profile and noticed that you have a bachelor degree. Take a chance and apply for OCS for one of the military services. One of my beliefs is that it is always 100-percent chance that the answer will be no if you don't try. However, you raise your stakes to 50-50 if you do. You can't have odds like that in Vegas! Roll the dice and good luck!

Response by SSG NicHOLAS Barton made Dec 21 at 2017 8:54 PM

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Did this exact thing after getting out for 9 months, took me a year to get back to my previous rank. I went from a SGT to a SPC. If you want to get back in you need to make the decision that is best for you, and since you have the schools already completed it shouldn't take long.

Response by MSG Frank Burns made Dec 22 at 2017 2:05 AM

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If you have your schools is the best move

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Dec 22 at 2017 3:24 AM

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That’s entirely your choice. You have to ask yourself, “Is it worth what they’re paying me?” If the answer is yes, then it’s a no-brainer. If pay is not an object, and you love what you’re doing, likewise the choice isn’t that hard. If money is your object, or you aren’t willing to give up your freedom, that too makes your decision an easy one.

Response by SPC Rich Sigel made Dec 22 at 2017 4:06 PM

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How long have you been out? I thought you had 2 years to go back in same rank. I would check into all the rules first.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Dec 27 at 2017 9:51 AM

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What is the density of the MOS, how long will it take you to make that grade in the current environment? What type of assignment will you get? You are in a drivers seat here as well, you have options, can you pick up an additional school seat for an identifier? Work this to your advantage as well. I am giving up a grade, so what duty location can I get out of this?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2017 4:08 PM

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You can’t take a reduction MEPS will determine your rank once you give your recruiter all of the paperwork.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2018 12:29 PM

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I saw a guy take a two rank reduction to accept a National Guard AGR position (E7 to E5). He was in desperate need of a job. He’s since got back to E6.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2018 12:35 PM

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Get the recruiter to pull the business rules for you. See what MOS are needing a SSG. If you are willing to reclass.

Response by SSG Broderick Sample made Jan 3 at 2018 12:21 AM

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So are you going to stay a stevedore or change M.O.S?

Response by Sgt Richard Sprague made Jan 8 at 2018 12:38 AM

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If you you are a good leader and you have had good NCOER'S, take the reduction, you should get your rank back when the opportunity presents itself.

Response by SSG Wilson Lucero made Jan 21 at 2018 5:28 PM

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Are you in the national guard or army reserves? That makes a difference too. I took a reduction in rank to E5 when I came back in to active duty. It was a hard decision but I did it for personal reasons. Any rank lower than that I wouldn't have done it.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jun 17 at 2018 8:21 AM

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We had a MSG who got a battlefield commission during SVN, was riffed down to SSG. Stayed in AD, and Reserves- 1 per quarter would put in O uniform on and go to USAR center to report- retired AD as MSG, USAR MAJ. In your case- you either take it and go in, or stay out. Losing 1 stripe is just temporary- because ou should out shine your peers

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2019 3:36 AM

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If your heart desires to serve.

Response by SFC Patrick Machayo made Mar 3 at 2019 5:05 AM

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Take the reduction. Few alternatives available unless maybe change of MOS. You'll make a better soldier, you'll get your rank in no time.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2019 7:57 AM

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How did it work out?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2019 10:51 AM

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I took a reduction fro SSG to SGT in 1994. I was a SSG again in 13 months.
It is worth it if you want back in. If you don't want the reduction, continue to march on your current path.

Response by CPT Bruce Dow made Dec 16 at 2019 6:12 PM

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Work with an SFC at Ft Knox that had been a 1SG in WW II. Saw a picture of him with the 1SG rank. 1970

Response by SSG Darrell Peters made Dec 16 at 2019 6:20 PM

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A lot of factors to be involved here. As a general rule I don't trust recruiters they will tell you something to meet a quota. Talk to your chain of command especially your CSM and ask if this is a viable option. Another thing is your promotion order how were you promoted? I was promoted to SPC and when I went on active duty in 1983 I to was told I had to take a rank reduction. The reason at the time was my Promotion to SPC was a USAR promotion and not an Active Army Promotion. I took it but since then I learned alot. It boils down to Active duty slots and the rank required to hold those slots or be put into one. The one thing I would want to see in writing is the Reg that says you have to take a Rank Reduction to go on active duty.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Dec 16 at 2019 9:50 PM

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I only had an idea of doing 4 and out, but if going a active and doing 20 plus makes you happy do it. You didn’t say married with kids, but with their support, yes. You'll make that up quickly.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2020 12:28 AM

2020-01-13T00:28:16-05:00

The key word is Possibility, which means not 100% sure if they will reduce or not. The only way to get the true answer is to find and research the regulation that covers transition from reserve guard to active duty.

Response by SGT Ro Sapper made May 9 at 2020 11:26 AM

2020-05-09T11:26:32-04:00

I was out for almost 2 years. I was reduced one rank to E-4. I was just happy to get back on active duty.

Response by SFC Francisco Rosario made May 9 at 2020 2:49 PM

2020-05-09T14:49:23-04:00

It also depends on the "IN & OUT" calls for your MOS, also what is the strength of the MOS. Those may be factors that you may not have seen. Talk to your recruiter.

Response by SSG Robert Velasco made Jul 16 at 2020 8:17 PM

2020-07-16T20:17:07-04:00

Depends on how long it's been in between service. Some have go back to basic and are required to drop in rank. Good luck.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2020 11:36 AM

2020-11-22T11:36:03-05:00

My buddy took his rank when he went back active. He was able to see E6 slots because he was a UA for the reserves. The recruiter should be able to show you E6 slots. Do not take a rank reduction in my opinion

Response by SSG Robert Velasco made Mar 1 at 2021 12:36 PM

2021-03-01T12:36:22-05:00

Yes you should because it's hell out in the world!

Response by MSgt Matt Hancock made May 5 at 2021 6:19 PM

2021-05-05T18:19:52-04:00

It has been a few years since this post so what was the decision and why did you pick that route? Did things work out for you as you hoped?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2023 5:42 PM

2023-04-05T17:42:55-04:00

As a former recruiter, no. Be patient and wait it out. If you have the pre requisites for your current rank, you will keep it. If you’re desperate to get back to active duty then go for it