Should male Soldiers shave prior to PT in the morning?

2015-04-27T01:18:18-04:00

AR 670-1 requires all males to be well groomed in uniforms at all times.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Apr 27 at 2015 1:20 AM

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As I do not see the purpose of shaving with the uniform anyway other than some mission entailment requirements (gas masks) I do not see the purpose of shaving prior to PT.

Response by SSG Martin Chen made Apr 27 at 2015 1:25 AM

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Of course !! AR 670-1 doesnt have exceptions. We are service members 24/7.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 1:33 AM

2015-04-27T01:33:19-04:00

Woe be to the Soldier that doesn't.

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Apr 27 at 2015 2:56 AM

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I think this is a bad idea.

1. Using shaving creme, after-shave, or whatever other face-skin products one is trying to get into the skin...will only sweat out during PT.

2. Nobody is in any capacity to be impressing anyone else (except for the How Many of each exercise they can do) while they are a slimy ball of sweat.

3. Most are probably not bothering with deodorant, or combing out their bedhead right before PT either. Because....what for? A shower will likely happen right after PT anyway.

And---being a service member 24/7 is more about performance...no one is writing you up for facial stubble 5 minutes before you wake up.

This falls under "Some folks need better things to do than debate this petty crap." Pretty soon you are going to have to add a "reputation for shaving prior to PT" to the requirements for your branch's Good Conduct Medal. RIDICULOUS!!

Semper Fi.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 3:01 AM

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You should report to work shaven before pt because your in an Army uniform and it's a formation. No exceptions.

Response by SSG Martin Chen made Apr 27 at 2015 3:08 AM

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If a soldier cant do the little everyday things that are to be within regs then whats to say a soldier will do the bigger important things?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 4:43 AM

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"Oh, I was going to shave after PT, but..."

Something I hear all too often. "But..." the mission or task changed and now it's 1400 and the soldier looks like hot s*** on a sunny day because he missed the opportunity to conduct proper personal hygiene procedures throughout the rest of his day.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 5:06 AM

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Yes, Male Soldiers should be clean shaven at all times.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 5:34 AM

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Personally, I would change a few things about the army. If other army's can operate without being clean shaved, I am confident we can too. I would also get rid of headgear all together, but that's a whole different topic lol.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 5:44 AM

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You are in uniform correct? Then be clean shaven.

I know what the regulation now says about weekends and leave, but it is a damn travesty if someone shows up to PT without conducting the proper steps to be in uniform.

Response by CH (COL) Geoff Bailey made Apr 27 at 2015 6:02 AM

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Unless they have a profile they're to be clean shaven.

If they're worried about breaking out or developing a 5-o'clock shadow, purchase a cheap electric razor. A quick run over your face before PT ensures a professional appearance for at least 4-5 hours. Then do a full shave after PT.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Apr 27 at 2015 7:14 AM

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Do we want to follow the reg or do we want to be pragmatic?

The reg says shave, so you shave.

You're going to hygiene immediately afterward anyways, and exercise sweat generally irritates freshly shaved areas, which means this is a troop welfare issue.

That said, apply a little common sense. If you're getting up at 0 dark thirty for a run, and no one is going to see it anyways, is it any different than tossing on a PT Uniform at 1800 without shaving in the evening? As opposed to meeting up for a Company Plus run at 0700 when its light out and everyone and their brother can see you.

The reg is for "good order and discipline" first and foremost, and sometimes "over-regulation" can result in anything but that.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 7:32 AM

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Have a razor at work and an extra in the gym bag to always be prepared once you are dismissed from PT, as long as you didn't come from the weekend and have 3-4 days of growth you were fine because our CO was against 'No-shave' chits. Shaving in the morning then PT'ing leads to a messed up face more often than not.

Someone mentioned that the mission might change, so using that mind set your saying that now the mission changed and your soldiers will be in their PT-gear to conduct business AND they did not shave. The unshaven in a 'knock' on the individual but the absence of opportunity to hygiene is not, that falls on leadership to allow their personnel the opportunity to change and cleaned up. Remember this is going off the 'Mission has changed' mindset as well as the assumption this 'PT' is taking place in garrison and not down range.

There are to many things that could go either way and both sides and can say what about 'this' or what if 'that' happened. I always told my Sailors that if they were not shaved before PT then you will be before you show up to the section. All of them had razors in their gym bags and a spare else where.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 8:55 AM

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PT then hygiene. Seems reasonable to me.

Response by LTC John Shaw made Apr 27 at 2015 9:10 AM

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This is one of those, just do it rules.

If this question ever gets to my level, the NCOs will always have my support or the soldier better have a valid medical 'no shave' profile.

Nothing upsets me more than seeing an unshaven officer in PT uniform, can't wait to provide that Counseling statement!

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 9:18 AM

2015-04-27T09:18:07-04:00

It's O-dark 30 and they are getting their PT on. I understand the whole 'in uniform" position but please, let's use common sense and allow these guys to roll out of the bed like the rest of us and go PT without the criticism. They'll shave when they shower and get into their UOD.

Response by TSgt David Holman made Apr 27 at 2015 9:20 AM

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Yes, they should be clean shaven. If it is too much trouble to get up and shave in the morning, shave before you go to bed.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 9:24 AM

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Why is this up for debate?

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 9:27 AM

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I didn't vote either yes or no, because the way the military handles the PT uniform is decidedly schizophrenic. I say either it's a uniform, or it's not, but there are places and times where it's definitely restricted, even if the SM is wearing it completely correctly.

So as far as I"m concerned, the answer doesn't matter. Furthermore, even if I didn't agree with shaving prior to PT, I'd do it anyway. That's not an issue worth falling on my sword over. If I'm on duty, I'll have to shave prior to showing up on duty in ACUs anyway.....so why not just get it over with?

Response by SSgt Dan Montague made Apr 27 at 2015 9:32 AM

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It is a formation. The start of your day. You will have a FRESH shave. I have heard all the excuses as to why a Marines didn't or couldn't shave. If I can get up at 0414 to eat, shave and get dressed so I can drive into work for a 0600 PT formation, the a barracks rat who lives 2 min away can shave too.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 9:33 AM

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What happen with the discipline nowadays??!? We are supposed to follow orders and regulations. Period. AR 670-1 stated so. Only if the SM have a medical profile is waved to do so, and even with the profile he has to be groomed, not a freaking Taliban-like beard. Rules and Regulations are made to be followed.

Response by SGT Lawrence Corser made Apr 27 at 2015 9:40 AM

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I was under the assumption that it was mandatory, But when I was 19-20 I barely had enough hair to shave some days, Might have a stray hair or two.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 9:45 AM

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I always do.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 9:57 AM

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I knew I forgot to do something this morning.......I use to check my Soldiers every morning before PT. If you let them get away with it you just created a new standard!! Than the Soldiers will test to see what else they can get away with....its call discipline!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 10:02 AM

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As much as I hate it, yes we need to shave before PT.

Response by SFC Stephen Hester made Apr 27 at 2015 10:43 AM

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AR 670-1 states "Males will keep their face clean-shaven when in uniform, or in civilian clothes on duty". I don't see any room for interpretation or discussion there.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 10:53 AM

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As the regulation reads, yes. If I had my way, everyone could shave after pt as long as no one is coming in with a three day scruff. That's how I did it on recruiting and it was amazing. But the reg is the reg.

Response by 1SG Scott MacGregor made Apr 27 at 2015 11:53 AM

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I always waited for after PT. I am "blessed" with 5 o'clock chawdow at 1500 if I shaved prior to PT. I got in the slinger and had to shave at 1500 when I shaved prior to PT.

Response by SPC David S. made Apr 27 at 2015 1:17 PM

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I feel it's alright to not shave before PT because you conduct personal hygiene after PT anyways. You have to shower and change after PT anyways. So why not wait till then to shave too. Shave right before you shower every day. I believe that it's not a big deal to wait till after PT but before you shower. I didn't mind shaving everyday. But I always did it as part of my personal hygiene routine. The whole "Shit, Shower, Shave thing. Guess it's just what I preferred.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 2:51 PM

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Absolutely. The PT uniform is a uniform. I vote Yes.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 2:53 PM

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Check out that "See Full Results" link. That is neat. First time I've noticed it.

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AR 670-1 requires all males to be well groomed in uniforms at all times.

Response by CW5 Jim Steddum made Apr 27 at 2015 6:12 PM

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I have always shaved before PT... but, common sense has to play into all decision making. In Alaska, my unit taught us that shaving before morning PT can deplete the protective oils leading to elevated chances of cold weather injuries. At some point someone should make a risk assessment to determine if the way we have always done things is the right way of doing things now and a commander then also determines the personal risk of making a decision that is inconsistent with a regulation.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 6:13 PM

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I voted yes but, I shave around 0400 before I go to workout prior to PT formation so I have occasionally received a ribbing for my facial hair prior to leaving work for the day never been reprimanded for it as most in the battalion know of my dedication to fitness.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 6:26 PM

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I never knew that this was up for conversation. I really don't want to do it but PT is the start of the duty day... Many of PT formations were turned into U/As and/or work details.

Response by 1SG Cameron M. Wesson made Apr 27 at 2015 6:29 PM

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Absolutely... In uniform is in uniform. Period. 1LT Scott Doyle brings up good points also. Bottom line... A PT uniform is uniform... You're in formation... Doing training... Shave before you show up.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Apr 27 at 2015 6:39 PM

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Yes. Next question.

Response by SGT Richard H. made Apr 27 at 2015 6:50 PM

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The response I heard most often when talking to a soldier about why he didn't shave was "but Sergeant, if I shave, my face stings when I sweat."

I always replied with "Maybe you should have chosen something less painful than Infantry. GO SHAVE."

Response by SGT Michael Touchet made Apr 27 at 2015 8:11 PM

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I believe it is proper to be properly shaved at all times on duty.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 8:15 PM

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I know what the ret says, and I know it is quibbling but I despise shaving before I sweat in the morning. Nothing wakes me up faster than the feeling of battery acid being thrown on my face (dragging a razor across my barely stumbled face). I grow out on the weekends so I get at least one day (Monday) without my face feeling like its on fire.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 9:00 PM

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I say obviously as long as the reg stands, then yes. However, many changes to the regs happen on a nearly continual basis. I don't have a strong opinion on this one, but it seems that if even in the past year changes have been made on how female soldiers can wear their hair down while conducting pt, that some things as far as appearance and professionalism are rightly able to be revised. I would be in favor of changing the requirement on this one.

Response by Sgt Sasha Cruz made Apr 27 at 2015 11:44 PM

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I think that they do need to be without a beard or .5" stubble, but I also get that it's easier to do the clean cut shave right before getting into uniform.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 11:57 PM

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Show up to my PT formation U shaven and see the fireworks!!! Better have a profile in Ur PT Pouch!!!

Response by CW5 Roy Rucker Sr. made Apr 28 at 2015 9:08 AM

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I always shave before PT to stay within regulations, but I also end up shaving again right around lunch time.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2015 7:17 PM

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Over 20 years, I never had to bother shaving before PT.

I was one of the lucky ones, it takes me 3-4 days of not shaving to even see hair on my face... I've gone weeks without shaving and nothing close to a beard ever managed to appear. When I was going through OSUT at Ft. Knox I was able to get away with shaving 2-3 times a week.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2015 8:06 PM

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Shaving before PT would not be the battle I would choose to fight. That doesn't mean an NCO won't choose to fight it.

Response by Sgt Cody Dumont made Apr 28 at 2015 8:43 PM

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I guess it depends on the time of PT. in the marines we would PT at 05:30. So in the that case no. If PT is at 16:30 then yes.

Response by SPC Richard White made Apr 28 at 2015 9:06 PM

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Must be professional at all times

Response by LTC J. Lee Mudd made Apr 29 at 2015 1:35 AM

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Many of the responses refer to the irritation that can occur when a freshly-shaved face sweats. There are s few ways around this. Some soldiers (I include myself) can shave the night before and remain smooth well into the following day. For those with heavier beards, a touch-up with an electric shaver should satisfy uniform requirements until post-training hygiene / blade shave if needed.

"A shaved face reduces wind resistance while running!" ; )

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2015 11:29 AM

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As a Medical Officer, from a Healthcare Professional standpoint, it makes more sense to shave when showering after PT. Showering softens the hair and exfoliates the skin, leading to a cleaner and less irritating shave. You are also avoiding rubbing sweat and dirt in fresh wounds.

However, the standard is not set up according to medical wisdom, but according to military guidance, so I arrive to PT shaven.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2015 11:32 AM

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I didn't even know this was debatable. First thing I do every morning.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2015 8:16 PM

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I disagree with most on this. I don't disagree that Soldiers/Sailors/Airmen/Marines need to follow regulations, I just don't particularly believe that the regulation should cover the PT uniform. There are already exceptions to grooming standards for PT uniforms and there is no reason shaving couldn't also be covered by an exception. For those who shave every day right before exercising, you have undoubtedly noticed how rough that is on our skin. I'm not complaining, I always shave before organized PT, but if I'm going for a run on my own before work, I absolutely NEVER shave before it. Because it stings like a ... and there is no reason for it. So why do we force this reasoning at organized unit PT instead of making the responsibility to shave before the uniform of the day is put on instead? For those who don't have time in between you still have the option to shave before.

As a side note for those who want a way "around" this but still meeting the regs, I shave with an electric razor very lightly before PT and then again with a blade after PT. Waste of my time but doesn't have me showing up in front of people that work for me out of regs, and also saves me the pain. If I don't shave with a blade I look like I haven't shaved by about 1pm so an electric razor only for me isn't an option. I am only mentioning this because sometimes people don't realize how differently all our facial hair and growth rates are. Throughout my time at the Academy I shaved twice a day, and I still keep a razor at my desk at work so I can shave again in the afternoon if I have a late meeting.

Rules for the sake of rules is what bothers me. I also don't particularly agree with PT uniforms being tucked in when exercising. Do I enforce it and abide by it? Of course, but that doesn't mean it's the smartest decision.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2015 8:17 PM

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Absolutely!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2015 9:07 PM

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I always shaved the night before and every other day at the most. That's all I ever needed. Any more often, and I'd break out. Too each his own.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2015 10:08 PM

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Unless it is Winter in USARAK, then that soldier needs to be clean shaven when he arrives to my formation. End of discussion.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2015 7:39 AM

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Yes

Response by MSG Tim Gray made Oct 27 at 2015 11:41 PM

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Back in 1983, after a long weekend, I fell out of the barracks for morning PT formation. I realized to my horror I forgot to shave! Having a few minutes I ran back up to my room and grabbed a razor and dry shaved in about 30 seconds................
As the 1SG gave the command fall in, I stood at attention, hemoraghing all over my PT shirt. SHAVE first!

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Oct 27 at 2015 11:43 PM

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I used to always try to shave the night before. A fresh shave and sweat used to make my face break out.

Response by SGT Charles Bunch made Oct 27 at 2015 11:43 PM

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I believe they should. Your a soldier 24/7.

Response by LCpl Kasey Woods made Oct 28 at 2015 1:52 AM

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I should be a personal choice to shave, We have hair for a reason.

Response by SGT John Rauch made Oct 29 at 2015 3:35 PM

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should a 2lt salute a 1st lt?

Response by SSG Rob Turner made Oct 29 at 2015 6:40 PM

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I've always considered this topic to be gauged carefully and in advance- despite what 670-1 said. I have a heavy beard. If I shaved too early in the morning then by 1400 I'd have a dark shadow unfit for the rest of the day in duty uniform. At PT I would do what I call "Half shave" in which I just run the razor straight downward to take off the top half of the hairs and lighten the appearance of the shadow. Then shave completely before returning for the duty day. The exception is if your PT uniform IS the duty uniform. Some have lighter growth and others heavy. A little leeway on this subject never hurt anyone. Just be flexible if you are a supervisor. And, I guess as always, maybe the best advice is just always have a spare razor nearby.

Response by PFC Brian Lesnikowski made Oct 30 at 2015 8:56 PM

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With EVERYTHING wrong with obamas armed forces who gives a sh#t. I think that all soldiers should be required to take daily PT. I was a medic at TMC #22 andxwas excused from PT. I was so out of shape. I was in the best shape of my life when i arrived to my permanent duty station at Ft. Bragg

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2015 5:48 AM

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The regulation is pretty clear, but things change. Female soldiers are allowed to have their hair down now during PT. I don't see any reason for this other than convenience. I've heard it's because some women have long hair and it's difficult to manage. I would argue that all men have to shave to some extent and shaving after PT would be a lot more convenient for me personally.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Nov 2 at 2015 1:53 AM

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As blonde as I am, if i forgot one day once in a while no one noticed.

Response by SSG Laureano Pabon made Nov 10 at 2015 12:49 PM

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Chapter 3:
3–1. Personal appearance policies a. Soldiers will present a professional image at all times and will continue to set the example in military presence, both on and off duty.

I said yes if there is going to be an in ranks inspection before PT, something that is normally done after PT in my time.
Either way this is up to the leaders since AR-670-1 doesn't state an actual (clock time) other then at all times both on and off duty.

Response by SPC Stacey Lowell made Jan 5 at 2016 5:40 PM

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Where I was stationed on the Frontlines in the Berlin Brigade, my CO made us do our shaving before PT just in case. But hey that was back at the height of the cold war in the 1980s, and though Wladimir Putin has restarted the cold war again, I do not see why soldiers cannot wait until after their PT Routine....Makes sense to me....

Response by SSG Samuel Sohm made Jan 5 at 2016 5:48 PM

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I am all for standards and I have the usual qualms about having to shave to. That being said, I would personally like to be able to shave after I do PT and shower. Just my .2 cents

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 5:58 PM

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This question has been argued to death but what I love is all the people here are like regs, regs, regs. Yes we need to follow them they are what makes us such a great military but we would be better if it could be discussed not this is the line I dare you to step over it. To all of you who are that way fire up that Staff Duty NCO and runner for being sloppy after a 24hr shift. It is the regs isnt it? You won't because it doesn't pass the common sense test. I shave before pt and expect my Soldiers to but I don't have to agree with it.

Response by SGT Leon Brimm made Jan 5 at 2016 6:18 PM

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I shaved at night and no ever knew the difference, but thats another topic all together because i still cant grow a damn beard and im 40..sucks lol

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 6:31 PM

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I don't understand why the chemical threat argument keeps being trotted out. There is no realistic chemical threat on today's battlefield. A gas mask alone will not protect against modern chemical weapons (tear gas is not a chemical weapon, nor am I aware of it being employed on a modern battlefield). Modern gas masks will seal over a beard regardless. The US is one of the few Western armies that prohibits beards.

The discipline argument also doesn't make sense. The most disciplined Soldiers I've ever met don't wear uniforms, but do wear beards.

NB: I prefer being clean-shaven, and am in a unit where nobody would have a problem if I didn't shave before PT, so I don't really have a dog in the fight.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 6:41 PM

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Yes, because the regulation states so but I don5 like it. My personal reasons for being against it if I shave prior to pt by 1400 it doesn't look like I shaved because my facial hair grows fast. Also shaving prior to pt I get shaving bumps. I have tried multiple different razors and shaving cream to prevent it. If I shave after pt when I shower I get a smooth shave and no bumps. But regardless of my personal opinions, I'll do what the regulation states and adhere the standard.

Response by CW2 Carl Swanson made Jan 5 at 2016 6:51 PM

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Sorry guys, but the only time I ever had to shave prior to PT was after the weekend, I don't remember shaving before PT, even in school (OSUT, PLCD, WOC)... maybe my mind blocked it out. And yes, I have a heavy beard that made it so that if there was an evening social event, I had to shave again prior to the event.

Response by MAJ Brad D'Angelo made Jan 5 at 2016 7:05 PM

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How bout individual PT and show up at 0900 ready to work? Wait a minute, what am I thinking, that nonsense will NEVER happen

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 7:07 PM

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Should Soldiers shave before PT I don't think so. However until the regulation changes male Soldiers will continue to show up to PT formation clean shaven. I am also all for changing the reg to allow facial hair at all times, as long as it is still groomed and not unkempt.

Response by SGT Jordan Wipf made Jan 5 at 2016 7:14 PM

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Take this how you want but i never once shaved before pt. Not even in Basic.

Response by SSG Jason Turner made Jan 5 at 2016 7:17 PM

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Although I follow the regulations I don't always agree with them. I do however believe that anytime you are in uniform you should look professional. Unless you're one of those awesome iron tescticle sons of bitches that live in the mountains hunting bad guys in there own homes. They should just do whatever makes the more comfortable.

Response by CPL Lane Bailey made Jan 5 at 2016 7:25 PM

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I spent 8 years total in uniform while active duty I shaved before bed the night before and then did a quick touch up after PT not sure why there is a problem with this other than the new soldiers are baby's and don't want to get up to do PT any ways if you leave it up to them they might show up at work formation maybe if they don't have a hangover from the night before. So with all the things soldiers can complain about during their service they have came up with i don't want to get up 10 minutes earlier to shave before PT really thats the one thing we need to change? come on it seems like the military is changing there regulations left and right to accommodate these kids because their parents didn't want to punish them for doing the wrong thing so they go to the military and instead of just doing what is right by regulations they decide that the regulation needs to change so their not wrong. if you don't want to do what the regulations say it's really easy ask for a discharge. Or you can just do what the regulations and not have to worry about it. So if you don't want to shave before PT then well don't but don't expect the military to change to accommodate your whiny ass with the time between PT and Work call you can go shower dress take a nap a few shots of vodka and still get chow. so instead of being a baby just shave who cares takes a couple minutes max do it the night before so it doesn't burn from it being fresh shave. it's really not that hard unless your too drunk at night to shave which might be the problem here they can't walk a straight line let alone shave the night before.so put down the Bottle and grab a razor if you can't do that i don't want you watching my back while down range.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 7:30 PM

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670-1 isn't full of maybes. It's a rule, you follow it. Should it be a rule? Probably not. Running and sweating right after I shave in the morning makes me break out. I end up having to get a shaving waver anyway. Luckily I am forever baby-faced enough to not have to worry about it, and I can shave before I go to bed and still be super smooth all the next day.

Response by SSG Scott Burk made Jan 5 at 2016 7:44 PM

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Hell no...PT>Shave>Shower> Report for duty. I would NEVER Smoke a Joe for not shaving before PT.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 7:54 PM

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As much as I hate shaving before PT I think you should have too. If you don't you know someone is going to push it and it is going to be abused. Also, PTs are a uniform. We have to maintain good order.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 8:22 PM

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Electric razors are pretty awesome. Especially for those of us who can grow a face full of gorilla salad in short order.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 9:21 PM

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Yes of course. Unless you want it on a counseling statement for E4 an below. On your NCOER for E5 and above. And OCR for O1 / WO1 and above. It is apart of your obligation. I understand and feel the pain. Been there, done that mentality. Yet we pledge on oath to serve. And apart of that oath is to follow regulation. That regulation says a clean shaven face. If you got a no shave profile. You better have it on you!

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Jan 5 at 2016 9:26 PM

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Seriously, this is an issue? Who holds the in rank inspection at O dark thirty? What the hell is wrong with you guys saying yes?
You ought to happy they showed up.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 10:00 PM

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Sad to see so many simple saying "the reg says you have to, so 'yes'". The implied question is "is the reg right?" This is a forum for discussion-for considering new ideas and engaging in thoughtful conversation. No one is saying don't follow the regulation, but if it never crossed your mind to question whether the regulation is right (maybe it made sense once, but no longer?), I question your ability to progress and be the innovative, out of the box thinker needed in today's military. You can be a good soldier and follow the current rules. You can, at the same time, be a good leader and consider changing the rules (or trying to change them).

Response by PVT David Seguin made Jan 5 at 2016 10:07 PM

2016-01-05T22:07:08-05:00

seriously? hold on, from what i have been reading, all but some sections of the military are getting lax on too much stuff, meaning too many panzies, get back to how it used to be, making soldiers, not cream puffs.

in todays day and age with "the religion of peace" just about every where, attacks can and do happen just about everywhere. do you think they will just adhere to new policies and only attack you when you are ready?

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Jan 5 at 2016 10:32 PM

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For some reason , I will feel sorry for the troops in your future company SFC(P). Heck I think I feel sorry for your platoon. Maybe it is all women so IDK. Anyway your PoV seems to come from living off-post most likely and you shave and shower before PT. For in-barracks soldiers it is not the same , there are other duties to be done. To ask them to get cleaned up and shave and then get cleaned up again after PT, would simply eat into more time spent not doing all the other pre-first formation (after PT duties) and of course breakfast. But I guess if you would rather gig soldiers for missing some minor detail in lui of gigging them for not shaving, go right ahead. Soldiers in the morning only have so much time. I know I missed a lot of breakfasts because of minor BS , and that was without this idea of adding of time to shave before PT. Hell it was so dark when we did PT, how could you even tell and does it matter? Never saw a TOP/Smash out there with a flashlight checking shaves at PT. He would end up drunk anyway from the exhales. Might as well gig for bad-breath too , as a hygiene issue, failure to brush teeth. LOL

The best soldier in the army can get gigged every day they are in. To be a leader focused on such minor thing as to enforce to the letter definition of every 670-1 chicken squat issue, 24/7 365/1 is to invite having a lot of disgruntled soldiers. See how far that gets you. Such didn't work in the combat arms of years ago, perhaps it does now or in other MOS's , IDK.

Note, IIRC the 670-1 elsewhere it mentions you are only required to shave once a day as a matter of hygiene and appearance, there is no constant maintainment , rather it is ONCE a day.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Jan 5 at 2016 10:53 PM

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Male personnel should be required to shave before first formation AFTER morning PT has ended. So, they can come to morning PT unshaven, but would need to shave right after PT.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2016 12:41 AM

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I personally do not shave before PT. If I shave before PT I break out extremely bad getting sweat and dirt ect. If I did not wait until after PT I would have to get a shaving profile, I do not want that. Electric razors have almost no effect on me either.

Response by PFC Adam Haney made Jan 6 at 2016 2:02 AM

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when i was in i had plenty of time to shave and make it to pt it was called time management.

Response by COL Jeff Williams made Jan 6 at 2016 8:02 AM

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I have known those who had to shave twice a day. What about on a Monday morning when you have a two day growth?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2016 12:26 PM

2016-01-06T12:26:31-05:00

I vote neither yes or no. When I was at Carson, it was put out that we were not to shave prior to PT due to the opening of the pores increasing the likelihood of a cold weather injury. However, in more temperate climates, I can understand your point. I usually take an electric shaver to my face prior to PT, and shave with a razor afterward. Just to keep my face cleaned up during PT because I am in uniform.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2016 1:53 PM

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I shaved after 3 yes THREE of my platoon sgts REAMED MY ASS FROM HERE TO SEOUL about appearing in PT WITHOUT shaving...after I begged for my ass back, I shaved EARLY every flippin morning....

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Jan 6 at 2016 2:00 PM

2016-01-06T14:00:15-05:00

I had a permanent shaving profile so for me I never shaved before or after. I did keep it trimmed though.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Jan 6 at 2016 3:11 PM

2016-01-06T15:11:09-05:00

Until the wording in 670-1 is changed to not require it, there is no question IMO.

Response by Sgt Brian Benway made Jan 6 at 2016 3:17 PM

2016-01-06T15:17:28-05:00

I say yes, and here's why. Your PT uniform is still a uniform. You're expected to have a clean appearance and shaven face in every other uniform and the PT uniform is no different.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2016 4:12 PM

2016-01-06T16:12:28-05:00

I think change is good, sweating after shaving is incredibly uncomfortable, a similarly "comfort based" change we've made to the PT uniform is that females soldiers no longer have to keep their hair in a regulation up-do while conducting physical training; though it looks less professional, it's a common sense update that would have been unthinkable 5 years ago simply because it was "in 670-1" I see this the same way.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Jan 6 at 2016 5:31 PM

2016-01-06T17:31:39-05:00

Nope. For morning PT most recruits turn out in uniform pants and a t-Shirt, weather permitting.
The plan is to get back to the barracks, shower and put on a complete uniform, maybe even change boots. They can shave then.

Response by SP5 Michael Rathbun made Jan 6 at 2016 5:40 PM

2016-01-06T17:40:17-05:00

Sooner or later, people have to ask "what is the operational necessity?" Some times it does relate to morale, esprit de corps and unit effectiveness, but it is entirely possible to put the wrong lens on the microscope and come up with silly answers.

Response by SP5 Roberta Sanchez made Jan 6 at 2016 10:59 PM

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No, there is no reason to shave before PT. It is a waste of time and illogical. Once cleans up AFTER PT.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2016 11:22 PM

2016-01-07T23:22:01-05:00

Don't shave and step in my formation! Sure won't be me executing the four finger point and on the spot correction! My E5s might enjoy that session way to much!

Response by SSG Anthony Jennings made Feb 4 at 2016 3:01 AM

2016-02-04T03:01:01-05:00

It's discussions like this that make me glad I retired. Should I shave before or after PT? Shaving before is a discipline issue and after is a medical issue. I believe this is a sign of a bigger issue wear soldiers don't want to do something so they complain loud enough and in enough numbers to get what the want. Standards are Standards, like it or not, agree or not. Soldiers that can't find the discipline to do a simple task in peace time, will have trouble with the difficult tasks during deployment. I, like most, have been on both sides were I didn't always shave prior to, but I believe that one should have the discipline to perform hygiene prior to PT Formation.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Mar 31 at 2016 2:58 PM

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I voted yes...but the truth is: it depends on how hirsute the Soldier is, and how dark it is at PT/

Response by SPC James Dollins made Apr 5 at 2016 11:00 AM

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Follow the reg & you won't be wrong.

Response by PO2 Edward Shelton made Apr 5 at 2016 11:02 AM

2016-04-05T11:02:56-04:00

Yes for having a clean shave when in PT "uniform", but I can also see that it would be best to shave after PT when you go shower before checking back in for another morning muster.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2017 6:56 PM

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The PT uniform is, in fact, a uniform (it says it in the name. Therefore, if the AR says you must be well groomed in uniform, then that includes the PT uniform as well. On the bright side, stubble adds wind resistance, so shaving may make you faster.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2017 9:40 PM

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While I disagree shaving before pt we as military members must abide by the rules and regulations written. I personally think it's better to shave after pt when you shower. You will get a closer shave and your face will not burn as you sweat during pt session. Unless you want to shower before pt to get a good shave you'll have to suck it up and deal with the burn.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made May 26 at 2017 10:03 AM

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There you have it: AR 67-1 so why waste time discussing it? Get in and get it done !

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2017 6:47 PM

2017-10-13T18:47:07-04:00

IMO I don't believe that a soldier should be required to shave before PT. As stated before it can cause irritation. I myself suffer from said irritation. I can not use shaving cream due to the fact my face swells and becomes irritated. I have to use water to shave. I do shave before PT and have always had a problem with it due to the fact my face becomes red and irritated. I deal with that pain and have opted into shaving with an electric razer before PT and shaving after.

Per regulations and standards a soldier must be clean shaven before PT since they have arrived in a duty uniform. I think it should be changed to some degree but that's my personal opinion.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Oct 13 at 2017 7:11 PM

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I would say, for those soldiers that are unfortunate to have heavy beard...yes. Thank God, I wasn't one of those...lol.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2018 7:12 PM

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The standard is set, but they have now allowed females to wear their hair down in the APFU. Maybe a change to that can happen.

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made Jun 15 at 2018 7:22 PM

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Ahhhh…. hell yes first formation of the day!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2018 7:53 PM

2018-06-15T19:53:53-04:00

Yes. But do I? No. I have blonde hair so it's hard to see stubble until about noon. So I shave after my Post PT nap.

Response by Capt Bob Soldner made Jun 16 at 2018 7:00 AM

2018-06-16T07:00:02-04:00

Makes one wonder if there is a special "Think Tank" that produces a lot of the questions I see.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jun 16 at 2018 11:35 AM

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They better- PT is a formation, they have no excuse.

Response by SgtMaj Kenneth Dillon made Jan 14 at 2019 9:48 PM

2019-01-14T21:48:14-05:00

Same in the Marine Corps. As a SSgt., I unwisely asked my 1stSgt why we couldn't shave after PT. His answer: "Because I said so."

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Jan 14 at 2019 11:45 PM

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I wasn't aware that this it's an option. Is the Army getting this soft? I was in from '07 - '16 and we would catch hell if we hadn't shaven.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2019 11:14 AM

2019-01-15T11:14:36-05:00

I always shave after PT. What are they going to do? Yell at me? Boohoo.

Response by MAJ J Scott made Jan 16 at 2019 1:02 PM

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I never shaved before PT, even in boot camp/AIT and it was never a problem. If questioned I always used the "I shaved last night" excuse due to not enough showers/sink for everyone in the mornings.
BTW, don't we train as we fight? So many SM unshaven in the combat zone for days/weeks at a time.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2019 2:24 PM

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I think it should be changed on unit discression. For example, a soldier doing pt in Alaska during winter months is at a higher risk to have skin injured while doing pt. Many times I've done pt here at JBER and I've had skin get cold burns because of it. Now I shave the night prior but because of how much my facial hair grows I have to shave after pt as well to be within standard. I dont think everyone should be able to but I think units who logically should, should be able to.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2019 3:32 PM

2019-01-16T15:32:37-05:00

Shit I always shave after pt. If i shave before i get bumps

Response by CPT Tom Fawls made Jan 16 at 2019 5:29 PM

2019-01-16T17:29:56-05:00

As a guy with a heavy beard, I had to shave twice a day while I was on active duty. Not necessarily by choice, mind you.

I never saw the sense in it, but shaving at 04:15 to make 05:00 PT, meant that by 14:00 I was pushing a dark "5 o'clock shadow", so I'd typically shave at lunch.

I've had a beard almost every day for the last 32 years (shaved it off to get married and for 2 weeks when I went to a school while in the IRR.

Response by SSG Christopher Cannon made Jan 16 at 2019 6:26 PM

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It's about keeping standards up and attention to detail. People do it every day. If it's uncomfortable or time consuming manage your time better. Yes it would be more practical but the regs are not set up for practicality sometimes

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2019 6:46 PM

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Soldiers should have a professional appearance at all times while in uniform. You joined the freaking army. It’s shaving your face. Pretty easy task to do. If sweat makes your freshly shaven face burn a little like it does mine, build a bridge and get over it. It’ll go away with a shower.

Response by Cpl Brandon Rocco made Jan 16 at 2019 7:27 PM

2019-01-16T19:27:04-05:00

After bootcamp never shaved before pt,never once was called out on it and with one exception never saw somebody get called out on it. Hell soi they flat out told us not to and in the field to use an electric razor

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2019 9:57 PM

2019-01-16T21:57:49-05:00

Most of them dont shave before or after PT so keep it the way it is and let's focus on something more important.

Response by SFC Raymond Burge made Jan 17 at 2019 12:57 AM

2019-01-17T00:57:35-05:00

Really, really? If you have issues shaving before PT, them you need to roll your lazy behind out of the rack earlier. By the time I stood out in front of my PLT 20 minutes prior to formation I had all ready done all of my personal hygiene, had a large cup of coffee, drove 20-30 minutes and spoken to the 1SG and Commander.

Response by SGT Andrew Schmidt made Jan 17 at 2019 2:22 AM

2019-01-17T02:22:15-05:00

I don't know about all that...but I have seen some females that should probably shave their moustache before PT.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2019 4:07 AM

2019-01-17T04:07:06-05:00

The best part of being retired is working a job with no morning PT, no formations and no shaving regulations.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2019 6:13 AM

2019-01-17T06:13:01-05:00

I currently work in Alaska and I encourage shaving prior to your rest cycle (before bed) IOT allow the natural oils on your face to return. This protects your face from the harsh environment that we operate in. Have exceptionally fast hair growth, maybe use an electric razor for a touch up after PT. There’s no perfect answer for everyone though.

Response by SSG Lyle O'Rorke made Jan 17 at 2019 8:38 AM

2019-01-17T08:38:12-05:00

I always shaved before PT and enforced it on my troops. But also found it funny when I was the Training NCOIC and would generate the training schedule for the CO. I would be instructed to schedule the PT followed by personal hygiene time. The thing is if the hygiene time is scheduled after the PT time when did the CO plan on them shaving? Every minute of every day must be scheduled something I just always laughed at.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Feb 27 at 2019 4:57 PM

2019-02-27T16:57:11-05:00

I would just to cover your butt

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Apr 14 at 2019 3:09 PM

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The PT uniform is a MILITARY UNIFORM!So the answer to the question is YES they have to SHAVE PRIOR to PT in the morning.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2019 10:51 PM

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Since I don't feel that the PT "uniform" should even be considered a "uniform" and since the regulations lightened up on the females hair allowed to be in a regular pony tail (it was stupid to have to be above the collar of a pt t-shirt anyway), then no, men should not have to shave before pt.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2019 10:53 PM

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Since I never believed that the PT "uniform" should even be considered a uniform and since the regs were changed for the women to be able to wear there hair in a ponytail at any length (it was stupid that women even had to wear their hair above the collar of a PT T-shirt anyway), then no, men should not have to shave prior to PT

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2019 11:31 PM

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If you show up Monday morning with a full blown beard, then yes I'm going to jump on that..... but Tuesday-Friday. If you show up with stubble on your face at pt, but you're clean shaven at work im not going to say anything.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2019 6:40 PM

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If a Soldier shaves after PT every day, odds are there isn't going to be much visible facial hair at all the following day, keeping the Soldier within the boundaries of the regulation. There are many documented health and hygienic reasons to shave after showering, most importantly reduces irritation and skin infections. As leaders we're responsible for the health and well being of the force, keeping our Soldiers fit, relevant and ready! Those who adhere so dogmatically to the appearance without consideration of Commanders intent, do a disservice to the force and jeopardize both readiness and morale of the force. Lead with your mind's, not with your fists.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2019 11:31 PM

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YES BUT IF YOU HAVE A LOWER PT SCORE THAN THE UNSHAVED SOLDIER, YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING. IT'S IN THE REGS. LOOK IT UP.

Response by SPC Eric McInteer made May 6 at 2019 8:00 AM

2019-05-06T08:00:02-04:00

Does this apply to female soldiers too?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2019 8:16 AM

2019-05-06T08:16:28-04:00

I shave the night before PT.

Response by 1stSgt Jeff Blovat made May 6 at 2019 11:33 AM

2019-05-06T11:33:36-04:00

It regulation dictates than the question is moot. Though why shave prior to PT? Doesn’t make sense. That means two showers to shave and then after PT. My 2 cents......have a great Monday!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2019 10:05 PM

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Thanks eve6for the great responses. However, for those who only qoute regulation is that I challenge the status quo. I believe a NCO's job is not only to enforce regulations but advise as well. TTPs are the "common sense" factor that allows direct leaders to see what is right for the situation. I believe that regulations should be challenged in the event of the best answer stated is, "that's how we always do things." I'm not going have reveille or honor traditions but think of PRT. How much does that relate to your assignment? We've been at war for near 17 years. Who is deciding the best lesson learned? I've served with multi-national forces, they have full blown beards in their daily work uniform. I see Soldiers with tattoos on the their necks and hands and I would go to war with them any day. We have females in combat positions. Some of the best Soldiers are openly LBGT. In the end the US Military is still kicking ass.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2019 7:18 PM

2019-05-09T19:18:29-04:00

You always need to be clean shaved when wearing an Army Uniform. That includes APFU.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2019 1:23 AM

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No because if it makes sense it doesn’t belong in the military

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2019 8:52 AM

2019-05-11T08:52:05-04:00

I know this thing is 4 years old but I keeps popping up. At some point common sense leadership has to trump regulation (I know, I’m a horrible person. Sue me). If I can’t see a beard from a reasonable distance I’m not going to light a guy up for, or even mention, his not shaving before PT. Sweat irritates the hell out of a freshly shaven face and common sense says PT/shower/shave. I’ll stand behind guys who take that route all day every day and I really do not care who is opposed to it.

Response by 1SG Jason Almond made May 11 at 2019 9:19 PM

2019-05-11T21:19:54-04:00

Maybe shave last thing at night.....unless you are part mammoth.

I got away with it because I had a very light beard.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2019 11:44 AM

2019-05-12T11:44:02-04:00

So if you show up to morning formation after a long four day weekend and haven’t shaved yet, your saying that is OK. I don’t think so. Your imposing to yet lower the standards in the Army. Don’t think that will ever happen, or Soldiers will just show up with a beard ever time and looking like crap.

1SG

Response by 2LT Earl Dean made May 12 at 2019 12:10 PM

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I used to make sure my men shaved after PT. So they would start their day fresh and clean. It also kept them from sick call for zits and other facial hair problems.

Response by SGT Kevin Taber made May 12 at 2019 6:20 PM

2019-05-12T18:20:03-04:00

I always shaved after PT and my shower. Worked for me for the 10 years I was in

Response by PO1 Tom Mcbride made May 13 at 2019 4:10 PM

2019-05-13T16:10:20-04:00

Threads like this make me glad that I was a submariner and didn't have to deal with this. Of course, we had our own type of rules focus types. They usually were so focused on the regs that they were terrible at everything else. I'm betting that's not just a Navy thing.

Response by SSG Patrick Sloan made May 13 at 2019 5:51 PM

2019-05-13T17:51:10-04:00

For some reason the rest of my comment got caught it off.

Introducing common sense and medical wisdom has no place in discussions within military rules and regulations. What are you thinking?

Response by SrA Michael Mendenhall made May 24 at 2019 10:33 AM

2019-05-24T10:33:14-04:00

Shit shower shave. after pt.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made May 28 at 2019 8:03 PM

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In my 1st duty station my 1st Sgt set a delay exemption for myself & another guy in our Battery to shave before our 8am formation.
We were the sort who would grow a shadow within 2 to 3 hrs.
He was Sicilian.
I'm a "Heinz57" & have no clue "who" I inherited it from. I only knew who 1 of my Grandparents we're.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2019 2:56 PM

2019-06-02T14:56:42-04:00

This is another case of idiots taking guidelines to extremes and not using common sense. Shaving prior to PT had a place in BCT to teach disciple but you should be able to modify the regilation to account for common sense. Definitely after PT while performing personal hygiene, shave. If you are one of those unlucky soldiers like me, after you shave at 0430, you need to again by 1430. Those who enforce such regs are just like the General who insisted that soldiers must shave daily during the Battle of the Bulge, in the middle of a record winter and with not hot water. Dumb asses.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Jun 17 at 2019 1:06 PM

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No your inspection usually isn't until morning formation in uniform.

Response by PO2 Bill Reardon made Aug 2 at 2019 1:50 PM

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Response by SFC Frederick Dalton made Nov 11 at 2019 10:17 AM

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If you are in uniform, you need to be clean-shaven. However... there may have been occasions in the winter (PT in the dark) where I may have not strictly followed this rule...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2020 9:55 AM

2020-04-07T09:55:05-04:00

Honestly it is about discipline and following guidance when in the military uniform.

In my military career my experience has been after PT (Physical Training) I rarely have time to shave. Mostly get showered and be in uniform for my next task 10 Mins early.

The times I have not shaven before PT I have regretted my decision and has lead to other issues while in training.