Should military courtesy be required in RallyPoint?

2014-05-14T13:29:47-04:00

For example, should enlisted personnel address higher ranking officers as "Sir" in discussions? Or is courtesy assumed? Do you think veterans "exempt" from courtesy?

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made May 14 at 2014 1:37 PM

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Military courtesy is a must if you on or off duty, for veterans is optional but the acknowledgement wouldn't hurt. I do it all the time out of pride and everyday habit, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Response by MAJ Steve Sheridan made May 14 at 2014 1:44 PM

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24/7/365

Response by MSG Wade Huffman made May 14 at 2014 1:47 PM

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Required? I'd say no, it isn't REQUIRED. HOWEVER, the users of this site are, as a general rule, passionate about their service, their branches, their military heritage, and improving themselves and others, both personally and professionally. That being said, should an individual 'cross the line' so to speak, they will most certainly be called out by their fellow RP members.
This is a self-policing site for the most part and I believe it should stay that way.

Response by PO2 Rocky Kleeger made May 14 at 2014 2:22 PM

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Required? Not really. Observed? Absolutely.

Even though I'm "retired" from the military, I still observe the customs and courtesies to those in uniform.

I'm just "Rocky" now, however I still call a Chief a chief, unless I called him by his first name before he was promoted. And, I still call officers "Sir".

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 3:15 PM

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When I read questions like this, I think that someone must have really ticked someone off for this to even have to be a discussion topic. Some things are just common sense, Captain Obvious and don't need discussion.

As an 11 year veteran, do I go out of my way to say Sir, ma'am, Chief, etc? No, I don't. Am I a brat about it? No, I'm not. I'm courteous and polite, and I use titles in conversation when/where they feel appropriate, but I'm not going to use those titles when it doesn't feel like it's a natural flow of the conversation.

Response by SFC Rich Carey made May 14 at 2014 3:28 PM

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I have no problems as a veteran with addressing active duty military by their rank, unless otherwised asked not to in certain situations.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made May 14 at 2014 3:38 PM

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SPC,

I try to address everyone with a certain level of military courtesy, but that does not mean I will not tell someone, higher rank or not, that they are wrong when they are wrong...some have taken that as being disrespectful, but this just goes to prove how wrong they really were, at least in my mind.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 3:44 PM

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My wife is a veteran and she is on here, and every time I see someone call her SPC it just makes me feel weird! I am a MSG, I can't be with a SPC......granted....she got got out 12 years ago....still feels odd when I see that though

Response by SSG Robert Burns made May 14 at 2014 4:04 PM

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By military courtesy do you mean like saluting 1LT's? (you knew it was coming folks...didn't you)

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 4:11 PM

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As someone else pointed out there is probably a reason for the question to come up and I'm a bit curious as to what caused you to ask.
I don't think I've seen anyone be discourteous of others on here. I may not always put a sir or a ma'am in front of a response I put in here and I would certainly hope that if I offended someone they'd shoot me a message in my in box and say so.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 4:28 PM

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It's my opinion that military courtesy is not wrong. However, once you're no longer serving (active) then it's a moot point of whether it's required any longer.

In this particular forum - I believe it's appropriate. We have many members that are Serving Members and thus required to utilize the proper courtesies. I believe that while the veterans are no longer required to observe the military courtesies it's important we set the tone for this forum. As a group / forum we can "let our hair down" and meet/greet a host of military personnel and gather intell, update friendships, start new ones. Yet it is important for all of us to realize there are civilians within our ranks - both vets and non-vets. The military is the 'other 1 percent' and we should take the time and effort to be self policing (Pvt "bang bang" comes to mind) and recognize that we set the standards for all to see.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 4:46 PM

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I don't extend military courtesy because I think I "have to" online, I do it because it's what feels right.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 4:48 PM

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All veterans and personnel who are actively serving have been taught (or should have, anyway) how to appropriately address seniors, peers and subordinates. The common sense answer is to be respectful to all users, regardless of rank. Rally Point has made it even easier to do this, because they include a person's rank as part of their screen name. It's too easy.

Response by MSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 4:50 PM

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SPC,

Personally I think that it is always good manners to use a bit I courtesy in any situation. So, whether you are still serving or a veteran I will likely still address you by the rank displayed in your profile (after all I don't personally know you and you earned that title at some point). This helps to avoid any misinterpretation and offers respect that opens mutual discourse on even grounds. Should discussion move to a more friendly and less formal direction then ranks can usually be dispensed with, but of course respect should still be given by all parties.

Response by COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM made May 14 at 2014 5:25 PM

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Professional courtesy (not necessarily military courtesy) should be encouraged (not required) in any professional networking social site. By this I mean:
1. Clear, concise, and accurate statements / arguments.
2. Fact based statements / arguments vs emotion based opinions.
3. Vigorous debate on arguments vs attacks on a person.
4. Comprehensive and well thought out arguments vs redundant talking points that do not advance the conversation / thread.

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made May 14 at 2014 5:27 PM

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I don't have a problem either way. When I message I use first names. This isn't an "official" Military site so I have no problem with direct reply 's.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made May 14 at 2014 6:24 PM

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If I address one person, I use the proper rank, sir or ma'am.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 7:16 PM

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SPC Pistryakov,

I still use military courtesy by addressing RP members by their rank or by "Sir" or "Ma'am", regardless if they have a "SM", "R", or "V" by their name, unless they prefer to call them by their first name or nick name.

I had posted a similar thread several month ago:
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-do-you-address-a-fellow-rallypoint-member

How do you address a fellow RallyPoint member? | RallyPoint

From Day One of our military service, we were taught how to address our fellow service members based on their rank either as an Enlisted, as a Warrant Officer or as a Commissioned Officer. However, what is the proper way to address someone here on Rally Point? I do address current Service Members on Rally Point by their rank. When it comes to addressing fellow veterans (and retirees) on here, I address them by their first name.How do you...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 7:45 PM

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My 2¢:

This is not an official military site.

The members of this site consist of active and inactive/retired/ETSed service members.

Common courtesy dictates that you should address anyone either by their rank (such as MAJ or SFC or SSG) or title (such as Mr., Sir, Sergeant, or Corporal) and last name *especially* if you don't know the individual or they are in someway in your chain.

If they are not in your chain, you should still typically address them by rank or title.

However, IF you know the individual, or are at least acquainted with them enough that the two of you are amicable towards each other (there's my officer word for the day: "amicable"... heh), it is OK to address them by their first name in a public post, or if you outrank them.

If you are addressing someone you don't know who is NOT active, the proper title for them is "Mr./Mrs.", "Sir/Ma'am", or their retired rank. If you do know them, then again, first name is fine. If you are in a discussion, after the first "formal" address, it is ok to refer to someone by either last name or first name.

All that being said: Who cares? Just be respectful in tone (not that you can usually read tone in a post - don't get that wrong - never assume a tone is either condescending or praising unless there is absolute proof towards either - such as saying "I think you're a dirtbag" [condescending] or "You ROCK!" [praising]). If you work with them, and they're in your chain, use rank or "Sir". If you don't, just don't be a jerk.

Response by SSgt David OGrady made May 14 at 2014 8:38 PM

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Everyone should be courtesy when posting on networking/social sites. I have been out of the military for almost 20 years and still use sir and ma'am. No, I do not feel veterans should be exempt. Being courtesy is just polite.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made May 15 at 2014 8:20 AM

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RallyPoint is classified as a professional networking site so yes general courtesy needs to be observed. Regardless of status, rank, gender, branch of service, or whatever the golden rule of treating others as you wish to be treated still applies.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made May 15 at 2014 8:55 AM

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I can see that being the first step toward "you're wrong because I outrank you".

Response by Sgt Jon Johnson made May 15 at 2014 9:13 AM

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I like so many others as a Veteran still use the proper courtesy when ever possible. As members of RallyPoint we should treat individuals and we wish to be treated.

Now I will say that just like we teach our kids "You have to earn respect, it isn't given!" So no matter rank, professional job title or what ever designation you have chosen "Lead by example"!

Response by SSG Robin Rushlo made May 15 at 2014 9:59 AM

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Common Courtesy is what is needed period

Response by CPT Endre Barath made May 15 at 2014 12:16 PM

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My take is: courtesy should be always used in any discussion. We need to remain civil to each other.
I do not need to be addressed with my rank, I have been a civilian for over 30 years, never the less if you so choose I appreciate it, but that should not be an issue. It is more about building relationships and or reconnecting with old friends and acquaintances. Any way that is my take! RLTW Endre

Response by SPC Charles Brown made May 15 at 2014 12:44 PM

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I use military courtesy and address people by their ranks until they grant me the privilege of allowing me to call them by their first name. I always try to be respectful no matter whom I am talking to.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made May 15 at 2014 1:14 PM

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Interesting question on several levels. (All of this is IMO)
1. Those that are still on active duty should follow protocol. Frame questions and answers in a respectful manner among ranks just as you would if you were face to face.
2. Retired and former active duty have other things to consider. How many have left the military service and then "elevated" their position in life? A former E3 might be called Dr. or became a lawyer. Their former superiors are not so superior now. In other words, life does not stand still. Many have moved on and have found their voices. They may have been in the position of saying "Yes Sir!" and carrying on. Now they may have many years of making decisions and some of you may want them to step back and keep their mouth closed because of military customs?
3. This is a website where questions are asked. If a member cannot say what is on their mind, what is the point? Sometimes readers will take a remark the wrong way. Why do members have to be so careful? Are the Senior NCOs and Officers that touchy? Why should anyone us who are not on active duty be required to to say "Sir"?
4. Common courtesy is due regardless of present or past rank.

My answer would be no, except for those that are still on active duty. If you expect me to back down or put up with an attitude from anyone, regardless of rank, then I might as well leave this site behind. I have as much formal education as many of the officers and have earned my place. My former rank while on active duty should not cause me to step back.

Response by MAJ Jim Struna made May 15 at 2014 1:15 PM

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It's really pretty simple... Are you subject to the UCMJ? Read the elements for Disrespect to an Officer or NCO. There's no exception for Rally Point or any other social media. Now are most rational level headed individuals going to call you out... No. But, get into a pissing contest with someone that out ranks you and they get butthurt, don't be surprised if you get hauled into your commanders office. Or, bad mouth your chain of command on here and they read your rant... I believe this has already been tested on Facebook. I haven't read it in a long time but the Army has a social media guide.

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made May 15 at 2014 1:25 PM

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I am retired, so I am Ron, or Mr. Peery, if you insist on being formal. If you feel you need to, you may call me Sir, or Major. I am easy that way.

Response by Cpl Dr Ronnie Manns made May 15 at 2014 1:38 PM

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I believe that the courtesy of respect is more important and since Lee made the choice to keep his friendship with a fellow father of Little Legaue who happens to also be in the military is commendable. You can still show military courtesy but leave the sir unless you call every male sir. Loved this story.

Response by COL William Hoppe made May 15 at 2014 5:35 PM

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Reading the comments, the group seems to have my idea of the right approach. Common sense goes a long way here. Military courtesy revolves around rank (regulation/policy/UCMJ) ...common courtesy is based in social norms (right and wrong). I've been retired coming up on a year. It has already been said, a Chief is always going to be a Chief; a Sergeant Major is always going to be a Sergeant Major. I retired, I did not resign my commission, I will always be a Colonel. Some people can not turn military courtesy on and off; they either lack the discipline or common sense to know when to use someone's proper title and when it is ok to be familiar. Having said that, being retired, I'm as comfortable with someone calling me by my nickname as by my military rank and name. Today, I ensure those people know they have a choice, and I encourage them to do what is comfortable for them. I still have people that tell me they could never call me anything but COL Hoppe. But they know they have a choice. At the end of the day, common courtesy is what is expected. If you know your military boss is on this site or on a thread and you don't use common sense in addressing your boss...well, you kind of have to expect to get called out for it. An extension of that same thought process, if a person uses their proper military salutation, roll with it, they've earned it whether it is a corporal, chief petty officer, gunnery sergeant, etc. At the end of the day, we are all brothers and sisters in arms here. Common sense and common courtesy.

Response by SPC Jessica Stewart made May 15 at 2014 7:38 PM

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I think courtesy should be assumed without the "Sir" "Ma'am" or enlisted rank being addressed. This is not a work environment, it is a social setting and should be treated as such. As far as veterans go, well, I am a veteran and although I don't always use the formal courtesy of rank I do in certain situations. It really depends on my relationship with them. If it's more personal then I keep it friendly, if it's not then I will use it to show my respect for them.

Response by A1C Michael David Severson made May 16 at 2014 1:49 AM

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Honor is honor, respect is respect, courtesy is courtesy. As such, all these items and more should simply be core values for everyday life, in uniform or out. Problem solved! :-)

Response by Sgt Justin Hadaway made May 16 at 2014 5:28 AM

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I think it is or most of the time will be natural. Its kind of an unspoken respect we should or do have with servicemembers of all ranks,branches, and active duty or veterans. Im new here but on similar sites it seems to stay respectful. Its a courtesy I like to hang on to. Its cool. I see a lot of my non-military friends respect and like how us veterans or active are among one another.

Response by SFC Erin Barnett made May 16 at 2014 9:09 AM

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If I address someone I do not know that is uniform, I will still use their rank.

Response by SFC Erin Barnett made May 16 at 2014 9:12 AM

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I'm sorry guys but once you finish you term or retire, the World doesn’t care if you were an E-4 or an O-6. You're a veteran. Period. If you have been out for years and still feel the need to be addressed by your rank, then I am sorry for you.

If you want to limit Rally Point to active duty folks only, make the rank mandatory. I think the other veterans will leave.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2014 9:52 AM

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I agree with the previous posts. it shouldn't be required but more like second nature really. Its like when i go to write an email or something I always address it as chief, sir, ma'am and so forth because that is what has been instilled in me since day one.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2014 10:18 AM

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Observed, yes; required, no. I would not suggest kicking someone out of RP over a violation. I would suggest a kind reminder if the offense was blatant. RP should continue to be a relaxed environment that encourages candid discussion (keepin' it real).

Response by SSgt Lonnie Montgomery made May 16 at 2014 4:38 PM

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Call me old school but, military courtesy should always be extended regardless of public venue.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2014 8:55 PM

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I think they should be required everywhere. Your a soldier with in uniform and out. Obviously no answer is 100% and there are greys areas. But if you see your Battalion Commander at the shopette and he says hello are you going to say "Hi Frank." Or "Morning Sir." I think most people would go with the second option. Also the more you stick to the professional demeanor of a soldier the more people notice and remember you in a positive light.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2014 8:30 AM

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I think courtesies should be extend. People see and remember when you aren't being courteous. Everyone has different experiences from everyone else. There is always the opportunity to learn from other people, but when you are perceived as rude because of lack of courtesies, then no one is going to want to help you.

Response by SPC Matthew Birkinbine made May 17 at 2014 7:22 PM

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Personally, I think professionalism is one of the great incentives to join and network on this site. I do think veterans and retirees are exempt from the whole necessity of following rank protocol, but we who serve currently are held to that standard, closed site or not. Unless we are on a first name basis, with said person, we should treat them with the respect they've earned, whether we're talking to a current, or former member.

Response by MSgt Kevin McNulty made May 17 at 2014 9:06 PM

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Good question. Although, I see this more of a question for "active" folks. As to your example...since ranks are displayed, I could see where [active] members would find this a concern--or at very least, awkward to use first names. As for me, I'm retired and would prefer "Kevin." For a more open/candid dialog...better to leave ranks out--including being displayed. For those who are out of military and would like to be called by rank...I would say "let go...or get over it."

Response by TSgt James Figart made May 18 at 2014 11:45 AM

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Military courtesies were great when we were all in the military. Once a person is out, the military courtesy stops. No one carries that courtesy outside of the military environment and it is not required in this forum and it is not required that I address anyone in the military with their rank since I no longer serve. If it was, I'd pack up and leave.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2014 1:44 PM

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People should be respectful because its the right thing to do. If you are on here expecting people to kiss your ass, maybe you arent getting enough of that at home. This is a social network. I expect to be treated like a human. I dont feel the need to be reminded of my rank regularly. I know what and who I am. BUT these discussions SHOULD be professional and respectful.

Response by SSgt James Stanley made May 19 at 2014 1:39 AM

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I think enlisted personnel and veterans should address higher ranking officers as "sir" or by their rank. You know the saying, "once a Marine, always a Marine"! I feel the same about the Air Force.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2014 9:10 AM

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ALCON: If you are NOT addressing officers as sir or ma'am or by their rank, or you are NOT addressing NCOs by their rank on this site, (regarless of their branch or active/retired status) you are wrong.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2014 9:29 AM

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I think you answered your own question. Military Courtesy doesn't need to be required on RallyPoint, because it is naturally applicable in a military/veteran environment. I don't have any illusions of anyone standing at parade rest while commenting on a forum, but I do consider myself a professional serving amongst other professionals. In that sense I wouldn't demand courtesy, but expect that it will be exercised because that is who we are. To me, addressing Seniors on here is no different than if I were taking part in distance learning or sending an e-mail.

Response by SGT Robert R. made May 21 at 2014 11:38 AM

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You will all be sir or ma'am to me now. I am long out of the service, but my mom raised me to be courteous.

Response by COL Jonas Vogelhut made May 27 at 2014 7:16 PM

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I think if you are replying to an individual, then a salutation such as Sir or Ma’am is appropriate. It should feel like a conversation. The same would not apply to group responses, since that would normally be focused on the senior representative of the group, although some introductory comment should make the response easier to read.

Response by SN Bob Brinley made May 31 at 2014 5:16 PM

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I was discharged as a lowly E3 over 20 years ago. I currently work as a contractor at USSOCOM. I address all Veterans by their former rank unless asked to do otherwise. It's just common courtesy. Most Veterans are proud of their service and still like to receive the respect they earned. Though, don't call me Seaman Brinley. I prefer Bob.

Response by PO3 Jordan W. made Jun 25 at 2014 12:26 AM

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I think that courtesies aren't required but are nice. These courtesies are a show of respect to where someone has been and what they have done. On the other side we are here to learn from each other in an informal environment, yet kept very close to the military.

Response by SA Harold Hansmann made Jun 25 at 2014 12:51 AM

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Regardless of their duty status, I prefer to go by rank, as it is the most comfortable for me. Besides I am not good at remembering names.

Response by SP5 Tom Carlson made Jun 25 at 2014 12:45 PM

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at this point all should be sir or ma'm, until you get to know someone well enough to be on first name Basis

Response by SP5 Tom Carlson made Jun 25 at 2014 12:46 PM

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I prefer TOM

Response by PFC Zanie Young made Jul 25 at 2014 11:36 AM

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As a veteran, I prefer ranks (not mine or any veteran, but active duty). I still call sergeants sergeant, and I have no problem with calling any officer by their ranks. It would be quite awkward to type from the Parade Rest position or at attention.

Response by PO1 G. Leslie /Stiltner made Jul 26 at 2014 8:46 PM

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Its like trying to call your first grade teacher Betty after all these years, you just cant do it!! She will always be Mrs. Smith. You can take the person out of the military but you cab never take the military out of the person!!! So its in our nature to say yes sir no sir and yes ma'am no ' ma'am to our superiors weather in or out of the service. Should it be required? Well for one I enjoy this Free site, (key word here is free), if RP has to hire courtesy police to monitor our sirs and ma'am's it will most defiantly will no longer be a free site. Use common sense here folks no debate necessary!! We have beat this horse to death and it should now be dead!!

Response by SPC Robert Myers made Jul 30 at 2014 12:43 PM

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Absolutely not. This is a military themed social media environment and not sanctioned/endorsed/governed by the military by any means. Why should anyone on here have to be subject to military courtesy? If you do it, you do it on your own accord and out of respect but I don't think it should be required. With that said, the utmost respect should be given to each and every active and former soldier, airmen, sailor, marine, and veteran.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2014 2:52 PM

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Customs and Courtesies are always required for military personnel regardless of where they are at or what medium they communicate through. Period.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2014 2:53 PM

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Veterans typically do not fall under the UCMJ any longer, so customs and courtesies are not required. With that said, you *should* always respect that person's previous rank out of respect for their service and their commitment to our country.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2014 3:27 PM

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After reviewing all of the responses to this post, I find it interesting that with few exceptions: Sir, Ma'am, Rank etc. is noticeably absent. We may think we are doing what we are saying; however, the reality is that this is still a social networking site which allows anonymity behind the veil of our screens, so casual reference appear to be the norm. I do think though that the professionalism of the responses have increased. Awareness and knowledge and as you may know "Knowing is Half the Battle, GI Joe"

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2014 8:25 PM

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I believe, yes. I make it my personal policy to not say anything on RP that I could not say in person. I'm still in the military, if a superior chose to look me up, he or she could.
My profile contains my name, rank, and unit. Though I may reside in a different state than most, I could still be subjected to UCMJ due to online activities.
Additionally, I feel that even though someone is serving in a different branch, for instance, a PO2 in the Navy still outranks me and I will try and respect his or her position, regardless of time in service.
I'm of the opinion that a service-member EARNS his or her rank ( I know, I know...we all know of some exceptions), and can always learn from each other.
Having said that, if I manage to get myself into a RP public mud-slinging contest (which I will definitely lose) with a Major, someone PLEASE intervene, because I have lost my mind!

Response by SPC Sean O'Sullivan made Aug 6 at 2014 11:33 PM

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We should all show common courtesy regardless.

Response by SPC Robert Myers made Aug 6 at 2014 11:34 PM

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I think some of these responses have gone way off the main topic/question. This thread needs to be closed. The main question was how do you address someone on this website/forum/social media with regards to their military service.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2014 12:24 AM

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I don't know about vetreans but to answer your question yeah. I know I do because no matter what we are supposed to respect the rank no matter if we are on duty, off duty, Facebook or here . We are all professionals at all times no matter what.

Response by SP5 Tom Carlson made Aug 7 at 2014 3:58 PM

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Common courtesy should prevail. Rank in a social medium of this type is irrelevant.

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Aug 13 at 2014 7:19 PM

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I don't have a problem with it, as long as I'm in contact with military personnel on Rally Point or anywhere else I will still extend the courtesy for all men and women who are currently serving, it is an honor and I'm proud of each one of you.

Response by PO1 John Pokrzywa made Nov 2 at 2014 5:52 PM

2014-11-02T17:52:36-05:00

No. I think it's respectful but not something that should be required. That's what official channels are for (if you're still in) . Especially when speaking of veterans. The need to show deference to preserve military discipline no longer applies on the outside. All veterans served. Some were cooks, some were admirals; once you're out we're all supposedly equal again, and we are Americans.
I think courtesy should always be encouraged, but if this is to remain a free forum for people to express opinions, it shouldn't be mandatory.
Personally, it's hit or miss now that I'm out. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, and has nothing to do with whether I respect the person at all.

Response by SP5 Tom Carlson made Nov 4 at 2014 3:44 PM

2014-11-04T15:44:49-05:00

I am no longer in the military, and assuming we don't have a familiar relationship, I will use Sir or Mam, to all until otherwise told..

And, should I choose to ignore I will do that to,,, I never felt that site was intended to be set in a Rank and file Manner,, so common courtesy should be applied at all times..

Response by Sgt Cody Hill made Apr 8 at 2015 7:35 PM

2015-04-08T19:35:55-04:00

I don't mind addressing people by rank on this website, but this is the third related thread I've come across just today. If people feel its this much of an issue, you could either do something about it, get over it, or start sending pictures of each other at parade rest as we correctly and respectfully address each other from our keyboards. This is ridiculous.

Obviously I don't want this place to become something where enlisted/commissioned individuals start treating each other like we are "back on the block" but you must understand we are on an internet networking site. Its just not going to be like it is back on base. As long as we have the mutual respect for each other as service members I don't see a problem.

If you want to be addressed by your rank maybe you should end a comment or topic with the Rank/Name/Alias/Call sign/etc that you want people to address you by at the bottom of your comment. That way everyone knows what you prefer. FYI I'm fine with my first name, but I'm also in the IRR after ending 5 years (Honorably) with the Marines so others may feel different.

Sincerely,

Cody Hill
USMC/Sergeant

Response by Cpl Patrick Reade made Apr 22 at 2015 1:27 PM

2015-04-22T13:27:21-04:00

I believe you earn my respect. I don't just hand it over to anyone. Anyone who is of higher rank has earned my salute but not neccisairly my respect. Until you prove otherwise we are equals.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Apr 29 at 2015 4:53 PM

2015-04-29T16:53:20-04:00

I think a person's choice to use or refrain from courtesy is a strong market of his or her character in all circumstances. Active duty are bound by regulation, regardless of medium.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 4:53 PM

2015-04-29T16:53:51-04:00

I do it out of respect anyway. But to require it would be a little too much just as long as we are being respectful it's all good with me. That's my opinion and no one elses..

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 5:09 PM

2015-04-29T17:09:02-04:00

I don't necessarily think anyone is exempt from it, it's a courtesy. But I also think that it depends on what is going one: if you are being courteous in your responses and respectful then that's one thing. If it's a one post response to something then definitely use it. If it's a full blown conversation, then I think it's ok (respectful conversation) if it doesn't go in every single post. You're bound to miss one here and there. Doesn't make you a horrible person. (But then again, I'm not an officer)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 5:42 PM

2015-04-29T17:42:02-04:00

There's quite a few responses to read through and have read most of them. It's hard to use the courtesy in a social network such as RP. This being said I have a few reasons...
1) It's hard to tell for those that have ets'd, retired or other wise what they do on the civilian side now. Just because we see the last accuired military rank such as SPC, you may be president, CEO, GM or higher positions which come with the respect of being called sir or Ma'am.
2) This is the one I feel is my better argument. In a military social environment where alcohol is consumed, rank always went to the way side. seiner NCO's couldn't drop a junior but a junior didn't always have to address his leaders as such. Yes we still have those the verbal respect they deserved but we weren't sticklers on it. I know not everyone is consuming alcohol here but it's with the same concept as such.

Response by TSgt Christopher D. made May 6 at 2015 5:43 PM

2015-05-06T17:43:07-04:00

I'm courteous because I would like other people to be courteous to me. Were I still active, I would use proper terms of address, my sirs and ma'ams (which I still do) and avoid controversy. But I'm retired. So if someone gets nasty with me, I don't care what rank they wear or where, I'll dish it out in return.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made May 13 at 2015 3:09 PM

2015-05-13T15:09:45-04:00

We should act like adults.

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made May 13 at 2015 3:15 PM

2015-05-13T15:15:11-04:00

Being a southern gent and being raised as I was mam and sir rolled out of my mouth from day one. Now as I get older I do it less but do consider it in every sentence even to someone of lower rank just to show respect. I have been out of military since 1987 of course so the edge has worn off but the pride and respect will always be there.

Response by SSG Darren Haynes made May 13 at 2015 3:16 PM

2015-05-13T15:16:54-04:00

Why would you not extend courtesies to those that out rank you? I am retired and I still find myself addressing officers and NCOs that out ranked me either by their rank or sir. I think it is a sign of respect.

Response by MSgt Rob Weston made May 13 at 2015 3:18 PM

2015-05-13T15:18:22-04:00

Being polite and respectful, yes. As for customs and courtesies, most retirees usually say sit/ma'am out of habit and respect even though it is not required. That is being human. As a retired member I personally don't mind if some one calls me Rob, Sir, or even Sergeant.

Response by SPC Christopher Salustro made May 13 at 2015 3:30 PM

2015-05-13T15:30:42-04:00

To answer your question bluntly, no.

To expand on that, as COL Smallfield has mentioned, professional courtesy should be given. This is a public forum for veterans as well as active service members. If you start on the C&C train, your bound to lose interest because then, (I believe) it ends up acting more and more like being (back) in the military and not a connection HUB, but a mandated source.

Response by SPC Alexander Brandt made Mar 22 at 2016 2:51 AM

2016-03-22T02:51:04-04:00

I do, even if it's not required of me. Do I address Veterans by their former rank? I do not, but I always go out of my way to be courteous.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2016 9:57 PM

2016-03-22T21:57:27-04:00

Much as I agree with COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM, there are those who are clearly here to browbeat other to their point of view. In general, they are extremely liberal, for example a certain SGT who lives in Europe and a CPT who is a gun hating fanatic.

Respect breeds respect, but then so does disrespect. It's one thing to have a discussion, and quite another to spread propaganda and block anyone who dares to disagree with you.

This is NOT a military site, and military courtesy aside, if you aren't planning on respecting me, don't expect any respect in return.

Response by SSgt Lonnie Montgomery made Mar 25 at 2016 2:22 PM

2016-03-25T14:22:23-04:00

SPC,

For those that have been in uniform military courtesy should already be instilled in you. It is a show of respect, much like saying yes ma’am or no ma’am to your mother. For those still in uniform it is a “requirement”, for those that are no longer in uniform it is a “no brainer”. In the civilian world it is a mark of a mature person with the confidence and abilities of a veteran.

I will be able to identify you as a veteran by your military bearing (courtesy), you display in most everything you do, if you let me. In our present society if I had to choose between two people for anything with all things being equal I will ALLWAYS opt to the veteran. You put on our uniform and raised your right hand that speaks volumes to me.

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made May 5 at 2016 2:17 PM

2016-05-05T14:17:24-04:00

Common Courtesy - is always appropriate. I have not been in the military for decades - I would not know someone was talking to me if they began with my rank. Neither do I refer to anyone else by rank, regardless of whatever they achieved. Unless they are active duty and it is appropriate.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 12:45 AM

2016-05-06T00:45:41-04:00

This is open source media. You can never be sure who you are talking to.

Response by PO1 Jimm Mooney made Apr 7 at 2018 7:27 PM

2018-04-07T19:27:51-04:00

In respect to the question; it appears that this primarily refers to Active Duty Military Personnel. Military Courtesy is required under the UCMJ for active Duty Personnel which also includes here on Social Media or other public arenas whether "On Duty" or "Off Duty". So, for active duty personnel, yes they should still use proper Military Courtesy when addressing higher ranking personnel in the threads on Rally Point. Those who don't may be subject to violation of the UCMJ.

Veterans on the other hand, they aren't typically held accountable under the UCMJ so it's not necessarily required. However, it is certainly more socially acceptable and respectful of each other here on Rally Point. I think that most Veterans (whether retired or not), myself included, will still use some form of professional/military courtesy by virtue of our military training or even our upbringing before we joined the military.
While Civilians with no personal military background have no "official" requirement to provide any courtesy to officers or enlisted regardless of rank or position. However, most of them (at least here on Rally Point) do extend some level of professional courtesy when responding to or starting Threads.

One thing I really like about Rally Point is that generally we are all more respectful of each others postings, far more than on most of the other social media platforms. You will always have the jerks who pop in and out of conversations to "stir things" up while offering no valid input to threads; but that is true in real life too. Thankfully, my experience here has been that is certainly not the norm; typically we add our input, encourage each other and offer up thanks for posts that provide valuable insights and information.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 7 at 2018 7:50 PM

2018-04-07T19:50:32-04:00

Why, we hung our rank up when we left the service. Common courtesy should be maintained, by Colin Powell and I still pit our pants on the same way every morning!

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Jun 13 at 2018 10:55 AM

2018-06-13T10:55:19-04:00

REQUIREMENT: a thing that is needed or wanted.a thing that is compulsory; a necessary condition.

This site is one of voluntary commitment. When you start making demands (requirements) you will loose contributors who's opinions may have significant relevance to a topic. We who are on here are current or former military personnel. I have as yet to see anyone who doesn't show some form of respect to officers; however, is addressing someone in an open form discussion on a voluntary site a must? Making this a requirement would constitute division in this form just like in the military where only NCO's can go to the NCO clubs and only CO's can go to the officers club. We unite together here in order to avoid division/ segregation by rank. COL Smallfield has 4 good points that outline what should be acceptable.