Should Military Dress Be Allowed at High School Graduation?

2016-06-27T20:48:25-04:00

New Hampshire reverently passed law that allows high school students who have completed basic training to wear their military uniforms to their graduation ceremonies. This state joins Pennsylvania and California as the only states that mandate the privilege. What do you think RP? Comments please.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 8:51 PM

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Why should they not be allowed?

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made Jun 27 at 2016 9:01 PM

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I say in the U.S. either stand behind us...or in front of us. I joined at 17 years of age in '84 so I know that pride.

Chuck D

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 9:01 PM

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Was this PFC Photoshopped into the graduation photo? He looks lost.

Response by SFC Bayardo Reyes made Jun 27 at 2016 9:02 PM

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Army: They are Military Trainees until they graduate AIT (After Basic ) or OSUT. Once graduated, they are Active Duty, or National Guard, Reserve Soldiers...
If they happened to Fail AIT or Completing OSUT I guess they didn't cut it to serve.

Response by MSgt Eric Roseberry made Jun 27 at 2016 9:21 PM

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Absolutely! Wear of the uniform is appropriate for most formal occasions.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jun 27 at 2016 9:31 PM

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SP5 Mark Kuzinski I think that high school students who have completed basic training should be able to ware their dress uniforms to graduation.
FYI in 1985 and 1986 when I commander an infantry training company at Fort Benning, each summer we had one split cycle where we trained National Guard soldiers between their Junior and Senior years of High School. The following summer, those who completed the requirements for Infantry basic training came back for the Infantry advanced individual training (AIT) after they had graduated from high school. Those who completed infantry AIT met the requirements to wear the Infantry blue cord.

Response by Alan K. made Jun 27 at 2016 9:32 PM

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"Live Free or Die".......Good for us! That was a yes BTW

Response by CPT Carlos Ribadeneira made Jun 27 at 2016 9:40 PM

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HELL YES!

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jun 27 at 2016 9:44 PM

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Why is this even a question?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 9:45 PM

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So long as the wearer is IAW the prescribed regulations ... yes.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 9:52 PM

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They better not look like a bag of ass! You can wear (correct me if I'm wrong) Class A's to almost any event or be in public. Just make sure you're squared away

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Jun 27 at 2016 10:08 PM

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Here's my thing... if these kids are able to graduate high school and boot camp before most kids finish high school, then Hell yes let them walk in uniform. As long as he is abiding by all uniform regulations, then what's the problem.

Just a couple weeks ago I went to my little brother's high school graduation. One kid didn't even show up in cap and gown. He sat in the middle of all the cap and gown kids wearing shorts and an undershirt. Yet the school allowed him to still walk across the stage and receive his diploma.

Think of how many caps you see painted with zero regard to whether or not it's appropriate. Compare that to the individual in a military uniform straight from boot camp with all the rigid discipline beat into him from day one. I'd rather have a graduation ceremony with all military members than an auditorium full of teenagers who have zero respect for the event that's taking place except for the fact that they no longer have to show up for school.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jun 27 at 2016 10:12 PM

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Yes, Sure, Why Not but I am confused being that I graduated High School before I joined the Military but since that isn't always the case Obviously, OK.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 10:38 PM

2016-06-27T22:38:03-04:00

SP5 Mark Kuzinski Yes they should. Below is an interesting article about the New Hampshire Law.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2016/05/04/law-named-fallen-marine-allows-troops-wear-uniforms-graduation/83920606/

Law named for fallen Marine allows troops to wear uniforms at graduation

Nearly three years after a New Hampshire high school refused a Marine's request to wear his uniform instead of a cap and gown to graduation, the state passed a law making sure service members are never treated that way again.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 10:41 PM

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If all students are allowed to wear formal wear, then yes. Otherwise, all graduates participating in a ceremony should adhere to the dress-code prescribed. If that means all caps and gowns, then all caps and gowns it should be. The uniform can be worn to whatever kind of reception/party the family wants to throw afterward.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 10:48 PM

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California allows this?!! wow, I would have thought the opposite.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 11:23 PM

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I believe they should, It would inspire and motivate his/her graduating class to strive for a successful career.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 11:24 PM

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I did enlist prior to graduating highschool. Enlisted in 2006, drilled with a RSP unit during my junior year, went to basic in 2007, drilled during my senior year, went to AIT in 2008. Wore my dress greens to senior formals

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2016 12:02 AM

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I agree they should be able to wear their uniform, with or without cap and gown. However, if it were me I would wear the uniform under the cap and gown; when the ceremony is over then take the cap and gown off and take more pix.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2016 12:10 AM

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I don't see a problem with it if they have completed basic.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jun 28 at 2016 3:09 AM

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Yes.

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Jun 28 at 2016 5:58 AM

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I've thought about this lot lately and you have to follow school rules. You may not like them or agree with them but you must do what the school wants on this issue.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Jun 28 at 2016 6:43 AM

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Yes they should, their showing their pride in serving our country.

Response by CPL Wesley Keyser made Jun 28 at 2016 9:22 AM

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They earned it, they should be allowed to wear it. If it hurts ome body's feelings the recruiting offices are open six days a week.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Jun 28 at 2016 9:37 AM

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Unless the high school has a uniform that they must wear to graduation (in which most don't), they should be allowed to wear their military uniform.

Response by SPC David S. made Jun 28 at 2016 9:42 AM

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This one's to easy - yes.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Jun 28 at 2016 9:56 AM

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Why the heck not??? New Hampshire has long been a strong supporter of the military. Have never seen civilian support like they had when I was at Pease AFB. I'm sure this probably got asked because some non military supporting educator objected to the lack of continuity in how the graduates look; Deal With It!

Response by Sgt Christopher Wenzel made Jun 28 at 2016 10:15 AM

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No. Just because you graduated boot camp means you can parade your uniform around at your school like your special. Completely unnecessary.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2016 10:48 AM

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I personally have no issue with it but cap and gown has always been the appropriate dress of a high school gradation. If a school denies the request theres no reason to fight it. After all "right place, right time and the correct uniform".

Response by SPC Joshua Heath made Jun 28 at 2016 1:35 PM

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I think I'm biased, I'm from NH and I think military formal dress should be an option for any formal ceremony one engages in.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2016 2:27 PM

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IF you earned it, wear it. Or should be allowed to.

Response by SPC James Harsh made Jun 28 at 2016 5:18 PM

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People make choices. While some may be anticipating moving to a dorm for the next four years, others that choose to join the military may be going to a barracks, similarly to selective service, I could give a rat's ass what people think. Most of your peers will never serve the country yet have plenty to say about it. I don't believe in more censorship in America. Stark differences and if it puts you off to see someone in uniform because you think it signifies "being special", don one yourself or use your 1st amendment to bitch about it, I would.

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2016 8:13 PM

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That is a beautiful sight. That kid earned it. I'm proud of every single one of them that earned it and does this. Anyone against it probably didn't earn a damn thing in their life.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Jun 28 at 2016 8:23 PM

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Give a really good reason why not. Just shows the kid's got spunk.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2016 8:43 PM

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This is coming from an USAF prospective but if you graduated BMT you are an Airman which means you can wear the service dress for a formal ceremony. But the student/airman should look sharp wearing the uniform with pride and respect.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Jun 30 at 2016 12:26 PM

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SP5 Mark Kuzinski Why shouldn't it. Are we going to place that in the same category as no prayer in school anymore or the pledge of alegence! That's what is wrong with this country. Get back to basic freedoms!

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Jun 30 at 2016 4:58 PM

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LOL...he just trying to get laid...Joking here. I think NO GO because although he is proud to be a soldier. It ain't about him...it's about his class. It's about school pride. If he graduated clown school...could he wear his clown uniform to graduation?

Response by SPC Jason Short made Jun 30 at 2016 6:24 PM

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No. The military stresses unit cohesion and no one standing out from his peers. The appropriate uniform for high school graduation is a cap and gown just like the appropriate uniform for basic/AIT graduation is your military uniform. You can't train soldiers to have one set of rules and then encourage them to expect special treatment when the rules are different.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 6:28 PM

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Way I see it, if they want to wear their uniform then so be it, but to be honest I think they should wear their graduation cap and gown, its your high school graduation, and is not related to the military in any way. But that's my opinion. If the Warrior wants to wear it, let him.

Response by SPC Corbin Doades made Jun 30 at 2016 8:33 PM

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I joined the Guard my Senior year. I was going to drill during High School. Hadn't gone to basic yet but if I had a dress uniform and was allowed, I would have worn that to my graduation.

Response by SPC Chuck Surrett made Jun 30 at 2016 8:45 PM

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If they earned it then dam right they should be able to wear it

Response by 1SG Jack Crutcher made Jun 30 at 2016 9:00 PM

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Sure, not only does it show a proud Marine in this case but is also a recruitment tool. Every one that graduates is not college material or made a planned past the prom. It is probably other good soldiers sitting out there as well. I actually joined the Marines because I liked their uniforms when the military recruiters talked to us on career day. Walking across the grinder on graduation of boot camp at Parris Island South Carolina was one of the proudest days of my life. How I ended up in the Army is a another story.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 10:20 PM

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I know quite a few kids who went to basic between their junior and senior years of high school in a delayed entry program. So their whole senior year of high school, they were airmen, soldiers, marines, or seamen. To me, seeing any branches dress uniform in a public event is awe inspiring. It's definitely something that needs to happen at every graduation.

Response by SPC Kirk Gilles made Jul 1 at 2016 2:14 AM

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If the wear would be authorized by the command then yes.
No school staff should be able to make the soldier leave or retaliate on the student as happens now. Be nice to see local LE tell a few principals to stuff it. The LE response to that school's next kiddie riot would be "crickets".

Response by PO1 Joe StMartin made Jul 1 at 2016 6:59 AM

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When I first read this, i wondered how this was even possible, like so many of us I'd graduated High School before I was even allowed to go off to basic. After reading several responses though apparently it's very possible and even seems to be more prevalent than i would have imagined. looks like i learned something new today.
With that in mind I'm completely in favor of those who have earned the right to wear their uniform to do so at these events. As far as I'm aware (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), every branch has a uniform that is appropriate to wear at formal functions.
Wear you uniform and do it proudly. Let the civilians see who their defenders are, let their classmates see one of their friends has a plan in life that goes beyond sitting in their parents basement. But that's just my opinion.

Response by Sgt Joseph Baker made Jul 1 at 2016 6:20 PM

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The idea that a law had to be passed to allow a service member to wear their uniform at graduation is so absurd I can't believe I am reading this.

Response by SGT Chris Michaelsen made Jul 2 at 2016 11:36 AM

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Absolutely not! Damn near anyone can enlist. They haven't done anything. How many times have you seen a POS private that doesn't even last 2 years after basic training? It's just a way for young kids to say "look at me, thank me for my service"...Then go to Applebee's and try and get a free meal. There is a time and a place to wear your uniform high school graduation is not that! Not to mention the fact that compared to everything else they will do in life, they just completed the easiest part!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2016 8:33 AM

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They earned the right to wear it, and are a great example to their youthful peers on what a little discipline and dedication can accomplish. Also, I think most of us were pretty excited the first time we wore our uniforms in public. This type of pride is a good thing these days.

Response by LTC Marc King made Jul 5 at 2016 8:55 AM

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While my first instinct is to say yes I have to consider the following; the school is an organization just the same as the military. On this occasion they have "ordered" that designated members of the organization shall be in a directed "uniform" for a designated, one time event. I might add that unlike the military this outerwear requirement is a one time request for the sake of uniformity. And who among us can argue with uniform-ity. When the formalities are over take of the cap and gown and proudly display that uniform in the post ceramoney picture taking and any parties that follow. At his point you have spent way more time with the high school crowd then your about to be warrior buds - so be a team player just for the day. After all how would it go if the Sec Def pasted a reg that stipulated that official military formations could now be attended in shorts and flip flops! Optional of course since uniforms are the order of the day... I think you get my drift.

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Jul 5 at 2016 9:40 AM

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Extremely stupid question. You have to have a **HIGH SCHOOL** diploma to join the military. So **HOW** would you be attending boot camp if you hadn't graduated?

Response by Sgt John Greenaway made Jul 5 at 2016 10:00 AM

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I see no problem. If they completed basic training prior to graduation from high school it shows their more adult than counter part who don't go to the military. To make decisions to service in the military is major commitment especially at the age of 17. Maturity is hard to come by these days

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2016 10:01 AM

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This may not be a popular opinion, but I don't necessarily agree with this for 2 main reasons.
1 They haven't completed their training yet. Who's to say they will successfully complete it. As a recruiter, I have come to realize that some of these kids don't make it all the way through. The reasons range from discipline issues to the inability to complete training and just flat out quitting.
2. The cap and gown is the prescribed uniform for this event.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2016 11:57 AM

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A soldier should be able to wear his or her uniform to any public event with pride.

Response by LCpl Bradley Otto made Jul 5 at 2016 12:10 PM

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I don't know the current standing of enlistment, but joining the Marine Corps you had to already have or gain possession of your depolma or GED in order to go to bootcamp. So seems like the only time to wear is if your visiting other friends who just graduated.

Response by A1C Lisa Casserly made Jul 5 at 2016 1:13 PM

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Why not? They EARNED that privilege. Its not at all "stolen valor", not pretend.

Response by MAJ Bill Darling made Jul 5 at 2016 2:04 PM

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As a NH resident I was unaware of this so thanks for enlightening me. And frankly, I was a little surprised. I don't think the state should be in the business of mandating what its towns public institutions deem appropriate for a high school graduation. Every military activity has a uniform of the day, so why should a high school be restricted in defining its own? If a high school prescribes a particular attire (read: uniform) for a ceremony--for uniformity or any other sake--a student should adhere to it. Should fundamentalist students be allowed to wear religious attire which differs drastically from the norm? Can part time employees where their work uniform? Should athletes be allowed to wear what they want? To me, it's akin to a service chief of staff mandating a uniform for promotion parties or pay day activities.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2016 6:18 PM

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Yes, wearing the uniform at graduation should be permitted as a show of completion of two milestones-high school and basic training.
CPT(RET) James Johnston

Response by MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow made Jul 5 at 2016 6:20 PM

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If they are active duty or Reserve then yes the uniform is good for any occasion/ceremony.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Jul 5 at 2016 9:04 PM

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I have no problem with people doing it but I think that it looks sort of out of place.

Response by LTC Jesse Edwards made Jul 5 at 2016 9:21 PM

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I live in NH and watched this bill. It falls into the category of something that seems good but will end up coming downhill as a centrally controlled decision leaving the local people less in control of their own communities. In a free society, governments should be supporting freedom, not central control. The Marine was allowed to wear his uniform but it would have been under his gown. He could take the gown off immediately after the ceremony. That's not the decision I would make if I ran that school; but, it isn't a crazy decision that should elicit top-down authoritarianism either.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2016 12:17 AM

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Super idea, but don't all graduates wear gowns?

Response by MAJ John Adams made Jul 6 at 2016 10:19 AM

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No. This has nothing to do with supporting the military. It has everything to do with traditions. Graduation traditions are older than the US Army by several centuries (they were adopted from university graduation traditions -- go check out how long the University of Heidelberg has been around) and they are just as important as military tradition. I would think that the military, more so than any other organization, would understand the importance of maintaining tradition and a uniform appearance appropriate for the situation. If a student has been signed by the NBA, should he be allowed to walk in his jersey and shorts? If a student has been hired by the Rockettes, should she be allowed to walk in her plumes and sequins? Both are pretty prestigious, ya know.

Response by SGT Tim Fridley made Jul 6 at 2016 9:27 PM

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In a word yes if the young person has completed both Basic Training and High School then it should be considered an honor to let them wear the Uniform

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2016 9:36 PM

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Absolutely! If, at the age of 17/18, they can hack the work that 99% of America and 10% of IET trainees can't and/or won't do, then absolutely. Obviously, they should wear it IAW their particular uniform regulations.

Response by 2ndLt Fulton Recepcion made Jul 7 at 2016 12:28 PM

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If a school allows it, sure! I'm all for it. It shows that you had the discipline to meet your school's graduation requirements early and that you already began your career.

If not and the reasons of the school are other than anti-military, then you need to abide by the rules for commencement for that school.

I used to get pissed when I heard about high schools not letting young boots who graduated early not let them wear their dress uniform. But I also learned to see the logic in these schools, though not military, they want some sense of uniformity, something we want in our troops.

(I am surprised with the mentality of a lot of schools these days to not want graduates to feel "left out" that they are allowing Boots to wear their uniform. At my daughter's HS graduation a few weeks ago, the Valedictorian and Salutatorian have been eliminated from the ceremony so others who did not make that honor would not feel "left out!" But this school still recognized the honor graduates! But that's another issue. . .)

So to reiterate, if the school allows it, sure. If not, go with the rules of school's commencement.

Response by LCpl Isaac Apodaca made Jul 7 at 2016 1:29 PM

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If they have completed basic training/boot camp then it is an obvious yes from me. Wear that damn uniform proudly!

Response by SSG Robert Albright made Jul 7 at 2016 6:02 PM

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I applaud the decision but cant help but wonder why we feel compelled to codify everything. Schools do not have the right to tell a student that they cannot wear a uniform as long as it is worn appropriately; must we now pass laws stating which days students may wear other items?

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 12:01 AM

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The question at the top is not precisely the same as the amplification below the picture. Should it be allowed? Of course! Absolutely! Should it mandated by law that all schools must allow it? Nah, I don't think so. Too intrusive on the part of government.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 12:40 AM

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YES!!!!

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2016 11:55 AM

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I guess I feel that people should be able to, but I don't understand why people would want to. it takes away from the whole ceremony to be in a dress uniform instead of a cap and gown. IMHO

Response by SGT Allen D'Aoust made Jul 11 at 2016 9:22 PM

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Yes, those young men and women who have started down the path of national service should be recognized in a very positive way.

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Jul 13 at 2016 6:19 AM

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I attended Basic Training at Ft McClellan Alabama in between my Jr and Sr year of High School. During my Sr year, I wore my uniform on Tuesday and Thursday and received 20 dollars a day for wearing my uniform to school. Not only did it get me some extra spending money, it made me behave in school better and I was treated better by teachers as well as students because of this. I think this should be allowed and encouraged.

Response by CDR Joel Paine made Jul 13 at 2016 4:40 PM

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Wear your uniform... under the cap and gown. If there is no cap and gown and a suit and tie is the graduation "uniform" (like my high school was), then a military dress uniform would be appropriate.

Otherwise, graduation is about the students graduating from High School, together, and - as all of us who wear or wore the uniform should understand - the school uniform is the appropriate attire. Drawing attention by being different isn't in keeping with military honor and integrity.

Response by PO3 Steven Stinnett made Jul 14 at 2016 7:20 PM

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I joined the Navy on my 17th birthday, I was not allowed to, Downey, California 1964 graduate , however I believe you should not only be allowed to but you should be proud to represent your Country and branch of service. GO NAVY

Response by SSgt Gilbert Gissendaner made Oct 24 at 2016 9:30 PM

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High school graduations is the time to show the world that you have a plan for your life.

Response by LCpl Bradley Otto made Nov 11 at 2016 12:03 PM

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You Have To Respect The "uniform of the day". That's a Cap and Gown.

Response by Sgt Mike B made Mar 25 at 2017 3:38 PM

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sure why not

Response by MSG Henry Cole made Jul 3 at 2017 5:14 PM

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This still works with school dress codes for their ceremonies. It should not be up to the state to dictate what a school is allowed and not allowed to conduct. This is a matter of the school board. If JOE pleases his or her case to the school board they will most likely be afforded that opportunity. The school board has to answer to the council and the council doesn’t want to face the public by saying they believe the military uniform is unfit to ware for graduation. Remember the number of students’ graduation from basic before graduation from college is not high. Work at the school level not the State Level or it may never be accomplished.

Response by Lt Col John Parish made Jul 5 at 2017 1:53 PM

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Yes, of course. I teach high school JROTC and I've had a few students that have completed basic prior to high school graduation. 100% of them return to school their senior year highly motivated and overall better students.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2017 2:13 PM

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Isn't there already a few threads about this topic? Bottomline - it's a privilege. Not a right. SO if the school says "no" ahead of time then it's no. I think, as I stated on another thread, the student who was told months out of graduation that he could wear his uniform and then the day before they said "no" that's crap. I honestly would not wear it because at that point all I've done is basic training.

Response by CWO3 Kristopher Stober made Jul 6 at 2017 1:38 PM

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If you earned it, you wear it, with no restrictions unless unearned.

Response by CWO3 Kristopher Stober made Jul 6 at 2017 1:40 PM

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If you earned it, you should wear it proudly, no restrictions unless unearned.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2017 2:02 PM

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I've never worn a cap and gown. I graduated from a military high school (NMMI), so we all wore the school's uniform. If you had earned US ribbons, you could wear them so long as they were not combined with the school's ribbons. We had a mess white uniform that was identical to the Army's, except for the buttons, so if you were prior-enlisted, you were allowed to wear the Army jacket when prescribed. As a military school graduate, I wish dress uniforms were more commonplace. I think if citizens saw more people in uniform, it'd be more apparent how many of us serve our country and communities (via police, fire/EMS, military), and I think it'd chip away at this us-versus-them mentality that seems to be plaguing our country lately.

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Jul 7 at 2017 2:52 PM

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Yes, but should not replace the traditional cap & gown. If one is active duty and wants to arrive in uniform, by all means, please do so. I support that. However, I also feel the cap & gown should be worn over the uniform during the actual diploma ceremony. Once the ceremony is over, remove the gown and remain with your class but in your uniform. Your statement and pride will be heard lima charlie.

Response by 1SG John B. Enlow made Jul 8 at 2017 4:14 PM

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I realize my response sounds odd coming from a retired 1SG, but I would say no - military uniforms should not be worn at HS graduations. This is not a military function, and this school's administrators selected cap and gown as the preferred 'uniform'. Graduation is a memorable event for students and family members alike. Let's not detract from this by having one military service member, proud as he/she may be, draw attention away from the overall event. Now, as a former recruiter, I wouldn't be surprised to hear this was done as free advertising for the Marines, and the recruiting station. :-)

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2017 10:08 AM

2017-07-09T10:08:31-04:00

If the school allows it and they are not violating any regulation.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Jul 10 at 2017 10:36 AM

2017-07-10T10:36:21-04:00

I think they should be able to wear it under the Cap and Gown. this is a High School graduation. Once the school ceremony is over, then wear it proudly at whatever celebration you want. However, they have already graduated from basic and that was their day to shine with the uniform. This is a school function...IMHO.

Response by Jenles Thompson made Jul 29 at 2017 5:47 AM

2017-07-29T05:47:38-04:00

I am going to start off my statement in saying. I have a list of family members that have served. And hold high respect for all military members that sacrifice their life's to keep our country safe, and set their personal lives aside in such an unselfish way spending months, and years away from they're familys. You are blessing. I honor you. As far as dressing for graduations. I think if it is a young man just getting in prior to graduation yes, he should definitely be able to suit up, and by all means it should be an honor and his right to show everyone. These are my plans. When I graduate this is what I'm doing for all of you. And smile proud. Yet, I'm on the fence a little as far as far as others coming dressed at a graduation in suit. I'm going to explain why? Graduation is a day for the Seniors... the 1 day they only have and only will have to graduate from high school. So when others come only because this happened in my very own family. By a younger sibling. I took it as a different note. It was for the seniors to embrace their day, attention on them all focas. I don't believe. It's fair to our children who too turning a leaf, and taking another chapter in their life to have to take a back seat to their Uncle. While he returns 10 years later. To show boat? Don't get me wrong. I am thankfully for anyone who signs for the first 4 years to enlist. Yet, if you choose after that. And, later become hostile towards your family? And disrespect your elders as he did me. As he spoke the Navy taught him to demand, and command respect. I'm sorry. As his elder sister. I don't recognize my brother any longer. I'm all about you give gotta give respect to earn it. So, I can say yes, I am thankfully for his 4 years. Yet the xtra 18 years. That was his choice. As I now stand w my eyes wide open. I was always proud of his accomplishments. Yet, when I saw he had to much pride. And told me Navy taught him things??? I find that very hard to believe. I don't believe any form of the milatary turns teaches any of their milatary to turn, and treat there family and kind of way, belittle their elders, scream, yell, cuss, especially to a grown woman. So that is why I chose to not say yes or no? As by no means I've never suited up for war. Overseas. Yet, I can promise you my whole life. I wore regular close. Yet, I'm almost midway through my life. I'm a survivor. Yet, I don't need a patch or medal to remind me. I have indeed sport every wound I'm still hear. Yet, suffer from the same condition men that go over seas. Suffer from. And, that's sad. Yet, even at my lowest points when instead of thinking someone might say.. it's okay take my hand I will help you up. That's never the case. It's kick her she's already down and show her no mercy. God bless you all that have served. As I lost a grand gather about 8 years ago world War2 ND pearl harbor, a grandmother that was a kadate, who was a nurse, and soon a grand father. Who I'd so humble he honestly feels he doesn't feel he needs recognition. He just tells me... you would do the same thing. I apologize in advance if I stepped on anyone's toes. Take care.

Response by PO1 John Clough made Jul 29 at 2017 12:08 PM

2017-07-29T12:08:35-04:00

They should be honored that these young people have volunteered to serve and protect this Nation.

Response by MSgt Roger Settlemyer made Jul 30 at 2017 1:37 AM

2017-07-30T01:37:00-04:00

We just had this Happen last month. A Army Reserve Medic, named PFC Hartland Fletcher wanted to Graduate in his Dress Uniform and the High School said NO. You can come down Monday and pick up your Dipoloma. His Father notofied the VFW, When Monday came around 250 members of the local community with American Flags showed up to cheer for him. The Prinicpal gave a speech "Saying how sorry he was" We later found out there a State Of California Law that allows him to wear his uniform. More people showed up for his graduation that the regular High School Graduation. He was a credit to the US Army.

Response by SPC Andrian A. Townsend made Aug 10 at 2017 5:28 PM

2017-08-10T17:28:00-04:00

They've earned it!

Response by Sgt Doug Kemp made Sep 1 at 2017 11:46 AM

2017-09-01T11:46:21-04:00

If they have earned the right to wear the uniform they should be allowed if they choose

Response by SGT Christopher Lachcik made Sep 1 at 2017 1:39 PM

2017-09-01T13:39:06-04:00

As long as they completed basic training

Response by SGM Charles Twardzicki made Nov 8 at 2017 3:43 PM

2017-11-08T15:43:10-05:00

Mandate and privilege, should I be confused?

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Nov 9 at 2017 10:43 PM

2017-11-09T22:43:42-05:00

Sure, why not, he looks good in uniform...plus a good promotional for the Marines.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Nov 9 at 2017 11:32 PM

2017-11-09T23:32:33-05:00

I highly encourage it for college graduates, that's a big accomplishment and pride is certainly warranted. Additionally, I think it's important for perception for society to see military personnel graduating college. High school though? Meh. That's basically the bare minimum we expect from any human being, so I don't know that it warrants a dress uniform. Seems cheesy to me.

Response by LCpl Martin Mongold made Nov 10 at 2017 4:48 PM

2017-11-10T16:48:03-05:00

I wore dress Greens at my graduation.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2018 2:37 PM

2018-02-12T14:37:37-05:00

I’m all for wearing a uniform to graduation, as long as regs are abided by and it’s a Dress uniform. At the same time though....it’s an academic ceremony. The appropriate wear is an academic robe and appropriate regalia. In the ceremony, you’re a graduate, not in the role of a military member. Maybe I’m off, but speaking as a Doctor and a teacher, I’d rather you be in academic wear. Wear the uniform under it, or to events before/after (for my doctoral graduation, about 15 of us were military. We wore the dress uniforms to a Social finger-foods gathering before, but took off our jackets and wore the robes for the ceremony.). It’s not that I’m unpatriotic, but at a scholastic ceremony, wear the scholastic uniform. Kinda like at a change of command, service Dress being the uniform, and one person asks to wear the full Dress with medals....yeah, ok I guess you can, but no, please don’t. Just my thoughts.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2018 3:04 PM

2018-02-12T15:04:10-05:00

SP5 Mark Kuzinski does it mandate or authorize? I am all for showing off with pride of an accomplishment. However, if you graduate college and did not do ROTC do you wear your uniform at graduation? Generally not. So really up to the individual and if they want to wear cap and gown or go in uniform.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2018 2:38 PM

2018-05-08T14:38:05-04:00

I didn't vote because my choice is not listed. Yes, they should....underneath the cap and gown. The problem is some special snowflakes don't want to do that because they want to stand out from their high school graduating class and make it all about them instead of the class as a whole.

When I walked for my Bachelor's degrees, I wore my uniform...underneath the cap and gown, and that was for University. Put the cap and gown on over the uniform and be done with it. You can attend prom or homecoming in uniform if you're that desperate for attention.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jun 6 at 2018 6:36 PM

2018-06-06T18:36:46-04:00

Sitting on the fence with this one. I tend to say no. We are citizen soldiers, to that end we agree to obey the laws, and this case rules. If a school has a dress code for graduation, what, as a member of the armed forces, gives us a right when leaving high school, to trample of the integrity of school administration? None, IMHO. When we place the military above reproach, we start to lead down a slippery slope. I have seen people who feel the military should not pay taxes, special privileges and other things. The vast majority of us in this day and age choose to serve, some of our members didn't get that option. They are in a different boat.

Response by MSgt Jason Burger made Sep 24 at 2018 2:03 PM

2018-09-24T14:03:53-04:00

Actually Utah allows for the same privilege.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Dec 1 at 2018 10:54 PM

2018-12-01T22:54:03-05:00

No. Because government should always be done at the lowest possible level. There is no reason a city hall or local school board can't make the call on this one. In a state like RI or VT or NH where the population is small and relatively homogenous, it may not be a big deal. But places like CA, PA, TX, FL, VA, IL, WI, OH, even TN and KY have larger more diverse populations. What may be "right" for one school system may be horribly wrong for another.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2019 10:06 AM

2019-01-26T10:06:13-05:00

It should definitely be allowed. If you have already passed boot and are graduating high school, you did good. It is a ceremonial event and that’s what dress uniform is for

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2019 1:38 PM

2019-02-01T13:38:35-05:00

Yes.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2019 10:32 PM

2019-06-03T22:32:59-04:00

I am wearing mine to my graduation this Sunday. I had to go speak in front of the bored to get permission and they changed the policy to allow it and they didn’t even hesitate!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2020 1:07 PM

2020-04-30T13:07:46-04:00

Should be up to the school

Response by SFC Caesar G made Apr 30 at 2020 8:25 PM

2020-04-30T20:25:03-04:00

Not until they complete an MOS granting school.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2020 10:15 PM

2020-04-30T22:15:38-04:00

Sure, wear the uniform...UNDERNEATH the cap and gown, not instead of. The other way around makes you a special snowflake who doesn't understand that a high school graduation ceremony is about graduating from high school.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2020 11:51 AM

2020-05-01T11:51:46-04:00

You know how we have a uniform for our branch of service? Well, graduations also tend to have a "uniform" and that is Cap and Gown. The last time I checked, you can't wear a uniform with a cap and gown.

A good compromise was that my school's ROTC department gave a stole to those who were commissioning. Perhaps this could be an alternative.

Response by Sgt Stephen Brown made May 28 at 2020 9:41 AM

2020-05-28T09:41:34-04:00

If they have completed basic training and on active duty they have every right to show their pride of service and graduating. They have accomplished a lot and definitely have the right.

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Jul 19 at 2020 1:21 PM

2020-07-19T13:21:38-04:00

Yes, they should were their uniforms and be recognized for their commitment to serve. I taught in high school in Utah and went to several graduations. The graduates who qualified went to the graduation in their uniform with the gown over the uniform. During the superintendent's or principal's speech those in uniform were asked to remove their gown and stand to be recognized. It is a proper recognition to those who have signed on the line. You can see that they are very proud to be recognized. Also, I am certain that the recognition is an incentive to future seniors who are leaning in the direction of military service but yet undecided.

Response by AN Crystal Reed made Jul 20 at 2020 9:37 PM

2020-07-20T21:37:33-04:00

I'm in CA so I wasn't aware that other states didn't allow this already.

Response by Sgt William Hodges made Nov 2 at 2020 11:22 PM

2020-11-02T23:22:06-05:00

I can see where schools want to maintain a dress code for graduation, but a rulemaking this the only exception might work. I think it looks great myself, but then I am not the principal of a school. Keep in mind that you can bet someone will want to wear something else and probably will cause a law suite when they are denied.

Response by AN Dave Heckman made Jan 25 at 2021 9:05 PM

2021-01-25T21:05:32-05:00

Why the hell not !!!!

Response by SPC Linda Chandler made Jan 26 at 2021 12:56 AM

2021-01-26T00:56:38-05:00

It is time we get to being America, proud of who we are and what we do. The young men’ and women who go through BT while waiting to graduate or doing their online class and BT what ever the case. They are proud of what they have accomplished, and the schools and everyone should see they these young men and women are give a blank check of their lives to their country. If they don’t like it pls don’t look, it is makes you uncomfortable leave.
I am sick and tired of this crap. We defend our country and they want US to hid it, NO MORE!
I really hate this It makes me sick. We shouldn’t even have to ask this question.
Young Man Young Lady pls stand tall and proud as we all have. Wear that uniform and show everyone you are going to protect everyone even the ones who say that you should not wear that uniform.
Thank you for what you are about to do. I am proud of all of you.

Response by SGT Lorenzo Nieto made Feb 3 at 2021 6:22 AM

2021-02-03T06:22:45-05:00

Sure why not but you better hope can run fast.

Response by LTC Stephan Porter made Feb 3 at 2021 2:23 PM

2021-02-03T14:23:47-05:00

Absolutely they should not only be allowed, but should do it!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2021 11:39 PM

2021-02-03T23:39:35-05:00

The uniform of the day: the cap and gown, as directed by the school. UNIFORM. So that people have uniformity. You ain't uniform.
You can be proud of your rare accomplishment. Celebrate it, wear that junk under the gown and strip that off as soon as the formal school ceremony concludes.

Response by SGT Richard Gocio made Jul 20 at 2021 11:05 AM

2021-07-20T11:05:24-04:00

Graduation from high school is an honorable life achievement. There is every reason to allow that ceremony to include the honorable life achievement of having enlisted in the armed forces and graduated from basic training. I also think that if the individual was ROTC, or a member of a law enforcement academy, or earned eagle scout while in high school that those uniforms should be allowed. It's about honor and achievement on a social, civil, citizenship level in every case.

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Aug 3 at 2021 11:30 AM

2021-08-03T11:30:49-04:00

They earned the right to do so by doing what most people wouldn't do , absolutely they deserve too