Should military members be separated/discharged for refusing the COVID vaccinations?

2022-02-07T09:21:34-05:00

Many have applied for a religious exemption. Based on recent reports many of these requests have not been ruled on, yet soldiers and sailors are being discharged.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2022 2:16 PM

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Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Feb 7 at 2022 2:18 PM

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The last reported stat is that folks pending exemptions can't be reprimanded, punished or discharged. With that said very few approvals have been given. I haven't heard of anyone getting pushed out with a pending exemption request but if you have anything please post it.

It's a sticky situation. When I was in I was forced to get a ton of shots I didn't want. One of the wort things I saw while in is the crappy shot card system for Marines. If your card was missing you were forced to go through all the battery of vaccinations all over again. Tons of guys would be getting nailed with the whole 9 yards 2-3-4 times because their card was missing. Then there was the on-off again anthrax shots that people had to deal with. I remember getting forced to take the nasal flu shot even though I had a history of negative reactions to it. Military vaccine managment has always been a crap show.

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/dod-reporters-notebook-jared-serbu/2022/01/punishments-and-first-religious-exemptions-for-military-vaccine-refusers/

Punishments, and first religious exemptions, for military vaccine refusers | Federal News Network...

The Marines granted their first two religious exemptions to the vaccine mandate but punitive actions have moved ahead for thousands of unvaccinated.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2022 3:02 PM

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If no exemption is requested or granted, then SMs are in violation of orders. Therefore, actions need to happen to those that refuse/fail to follow orders

Response by SSgt Dan Montague made Feb 7 at 2022 3:06 PM

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If someone refused all the vaccinations on day 1, I am sure they would get kicked out.
It is funny how many vaccinations a service member gets and there is never a fuss. This is basically a flu shot, and people are crying. The death toll is rising people, get the FUC***G shot and stop crying!!!!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2022 6:00 PM

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The reason why people argue against this vaccine is because of the lack of evidence that it has surrounding its claim that the vaccine increases survivability rate for healthy individuals. Varicella, hepatitis, and various other illnesses and diseases are mandated after a long study of how to combat those antigens, but Covid vaccine doesn't have solid data for an extended period of time; hence why the CDC and health officials are going back on their words saying how vaccinated cannot transmit diseases, etc. Many people believe that vaccines aid in survivability, but those same people are against this very vaccine because it's an experimental drug. If people did more research, they wouldn't compare Covid vaccine with other vaccines simply because of the difference in collection of data and evidence.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Feb 7 at 2022 6:37 PM

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Sir, the discharge of the not-taking shots has been around since before 1973. Regs are simple- if your shots are not up to date then you are not deployable, Past 5 so years, the Army alone has discharged thousands for being non-deployable.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Feb 8 at 2022 5:59 AM

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While I do not believe in mandates I believe the military has to have a certain level of readiness, not unlike the multitude of shots, know and unknown, we all took they are given in the name of readiness. I also see this as any other major change that the military policies and rules change to, Service members must adapt or ets, resign, or retire.

Response by Maj John Bell made Feb 8 at 2022 8:28 AM

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In general, I am not in favor of vaccine mandates. That said, I believe in the law of military necessity. It is a real thing and codified by Supreme Court decisions. It doesn't take a military historian to figure out that illness and disease are the source of significant campaign casualties. Those types of casualties impose a significant strain on the medical system and the logistics trains. I am not in favor of medical or religious exemptions for military personnel when it comes to vaccinations. Social distancing isn't an option and placing them in non-combat theater roles (medics) is not effective.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2022 9:42 AM

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Pending exemptions are not being processed for separation, those who have refused thus far are beginning to get counselings from their chains or are being noticed.

Should they be noticed? That's the order that has been put out, so that's what will happen. The real question is, what characterization of service should they receive? I've seen a lot of jacked up Joe's who should have received an OTH for the crap they have done come out clean with a General or Honorable because of their service record.

If the vaccine is the only issue for separation, then they should receive an Honorable in my opinion. Agree with it, disagree with it, I don't care. After seeing the plethora of crap that should have had a negative characterization of service upon exit come out with good ones, the vaccine seems like something I could care less about. Give them their good discharge and send them on their way.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2022 10:12 AM

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I am on the fence about this. At the time the order was given, it was a lawful order, therefore I complied. However, with the recent court ruling in Texas stating that federal employees cannot be mandated to receive the vaccine, it leaves a grey area. DoD civilians are no longer required, yet green-suiters are required. Are green-suiters not federal employees? It gives the appearance that the DoD is doing what they do well, in that they are interpreting the court ruling in a manner that they see fit. Until the ruling is further clarified for the military (and that needs to happen in an expedient manner), individuals who do not comply with lawful orders should be processed for administrative separation.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2022 1:29 PM

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Hey Robert Aldi - funny how you want to respond to me but you can't tag me because you blocked me. But your post is just as ridiculous as anything else you ever post on here - but thanks for mentioning me.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2022 1:41 PM

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Yes, disobeying a lawful order is ground for separation...if it is not a medical exemption then GTFO...

Response by MSG Reid Zohfeld made Feb 8 at 2022 9:35 PM

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It’s been awhile but the military stopped forcing soldiers to be Guinea pigs I had to take the swine flu shot in 76 Since the last time I looked is was still in place not to force experimental vaccine on soldiers and that’s exactly what the Chinese virus vaccine is experimental

Response by MSgt Michael Bischoff made Feb 9 at 2022 12:47 AM

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What is the next thing they will refuse?

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Feb 9 at 2022 9:54 AM

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Yes. But ONLY after any medical or religious exemptions have been reviewed - on ap case by case basis - and denied for legitimate reasons ( beyond "I disagree with your beliefs" or "I disagree with your doctor").

If a servicemembers has not submitted an exemption, bye Felicia. If they have submited one, carry on. Continue to train, promote, etc. until the exemption is ruled upon. If approved, carry on. If denied, allow an adequate time for separation (90 days sounds right) or appeal (15 days to decide whether to appeal). If appealed, begin separation process, but do not discharge until appeal is ruled upon. If exemption approved on appeal, stop separation, resume training. If denied, separate in 30 days or original 90, whichever is longer.

At least that's how *I* would do it.

Response by LTC Yinon Weiss made Feb 10 at 2022 10:29 AM

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Fair, no religious exemptions are considered for vaccination at RTC non should be allowed now. If you can't follow a lawful order clearly the military is not the right place for you.

Response by SSgt David Wilkins made Feb 10 at 2022 12:19 PM

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No, I do not agree with that. It is a bunch of crap. You take the shot, but can still get the virus? That's not how it is supposed to work. What about people like me, who have a Natural Immunity to the virus? I got the shot, so I could travel, but my doctor had me tested, and said I was naturally IMMUNE to COVID, and the shot MIGHT ACTUALLY DESTROY MY IMMUNITY, so you can all go to hell, if you think I will get any of the boosters. Glad I am retired.

Response by PO1 Todd McMillin made Feb 10 at 2022 12:38 PM

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Yes they should and quit lying about the reasons why they don't want to get it. "Why did they not ask for religious exemptions for their other vaccinations before this?"

Either vaccinations are against their religion or they are not. The claim they're made from "dead and aborted fetuses" is absurdist nonsense by folks whom are Mentally Unfit for Military or Governmental Service to begin with. In fact the organic material is 90% its made from the afterbirth material used for legal medical resources and considered human waste that hospitals can freely use all the time for research unless the family asks it not to be. Much of the human waste that is useful helps with future cures and developments to improve human life.

The fact that the so-called "Cult of Trump" whom are Evangelicals that think our Former President was their Messiah is also quite insan. As well those in uniform whom hold that same delusional belief are also quite unhinged and very dangerous to say the least. They also should be discharged from the Military and NOT ALLOWED to hold any position of Governmental Authority. Clearly being unfit to serve due to Religious Delusions of Grandeur. They need to get mental healthcare or cult deprogramming since they represent a future threat of Domestic Terrorism.

Having a religious exemption for a particular vaccine is ludicrous and a slippery slope. It should clearly be a standing rule and not something made up on the spot by local clergy on the fly because of their personal belief vs actual Canonical Scripture or Texts. I can see very limited grounds for doing it based on Genome Research being used if you're of specific faith such as Jehovah's Witnesses; as they can't have blood transfusions either.

Then again I've rarely seen one in the military since my time in and that was a former one. As the statement of faith by the JW; "We are “conscientious objectors”, that means we will not SERVE in any organization that may require us to kill or harm another human being." However, there are many former Military Folx who do become JW after they've served and see it as a way to atone for their harming others.

Response by Sgt Robert Lombard made Feb 10 at 2022 1:17 PM

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Yep. Part of the job.

Response by SrA James Cannon made Feb 10 at 2022 1:33 PM

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DOD wide, something like 13,000 religious exemptions have been applied for. The Marines just approved the first of those which was only 3. The Air Force approved 9 out of 6400 requested. The Air Force has already separated 142 for not taking the shot. I don't think folks should be discharged for not taking this shot. I think way too many of you have forgotten the lessons that we learned during Desert Storm where they shot us up with all sorts of stuff. The VA is still paying dearly for all the disabilities some of these unproven shots caused to vets. If I were still in, based on lessons learned from personal experience, I'd be one of the refusers, but I would apply for a religious exemption.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2022 2:08 PM

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Hey Aldi - why don't you unblock me and have a conversation with me like a grown up?

This shit: "SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
2 h
A1C Mike XXX - You people wanna be oppressed so badly it's just weird and pathetic. Every fucking day it's some bullshit post ""ThE DeMoCrAtS ArE tRyInG to TaKe OuR riGhTs." Good grief. This forum is just...smh.—19 Aug 2021

Another example of the love and cordiality from das FUERERoff..."

Is completely immature and unnecessary. If you have an issue with me, feel free to message me. But yet you hide behind blocking me yet post things directly at me.

"Fuerhoff" is just my legal name. It's my ex husband's name. There's too much to go into changing it back to my maiden name so I haven't. Also another sign of immaturity is resorting to an attempt at calling me a Nazi because of a German name. Germans aren't Nazis nor were all Germans Nazis during WWII. But keep showing that you are mentally and emotionally a child. You had to go all the way back to August for some comment that has nothing to do with this post? Really? What's wrong with you?

If you have something to say just unblock me and tag me or message me. But this shit - it's childish and ridiculous. Grow up.

Response by PO3 Eugene Hildebrand made Feb 10 at 2022 2:31 PM

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FAIR, you are a member of the US military. The US military is by necessity a dictatorship.
Getting the vaccine is a benefit to all members. Religious exemptions like this are also religious exemptions against serving.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2022 2:44 PM

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Seems old buck sergeant gray is in his feelings. Keep shaking your fist at the sky and whining.

Response by SPC Robert McElreath made Feb 10 at 2022 2:50 PM

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If the jobama cabal would allow the use of GENUINE treatments, like IVERMECTIN, we'd knock this crap out and be done with it. Instead, they lie about the therapeutics and try to force the acceptance of "vaccines" with questionable efficacy and strongly indicated harm. Support the Canadian truckers and all other anti-vax movements.
With all of the heart attacks, strokes, etc, happening to the victims of the "Vaccine mandates", tell jobama and his cabal to GET VAXXED!!!

Response by SSG Stephen Kimball made Feb 10 at 2022 4:03 PM

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Discharged or reduced in rank for failing to obey a DIRECT order from a known superior officer. Remember anthrax and all things we had to do for those shots?

Response by SGT Kathleen Regan made Feb 10 at 2022 5:01 PM

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I have been a medical practioner for decades. IMO, there is not a question being presented. Therefore, there is no "choice". Get in line, bare your arm and STFU. I think that's called following a direct order. This is not a difficult situation, it is simply not a matter of choice. Honestly, some of these characters are going to be clinkers anyway, so if they refuse, they win! Bigly. ARMED FORCES USA: "You sure you won't take it? OK, nice working with you, but goodbye". Why? Some will ask, because it isn't about YOU, it's about all of us. IF you don't want to help us stay healthy, ok. You are now discharged. Goodbye."
That's the no-kidding option: The nicer one goes, "Goodbye, and good luck to you."
IF we want to keep battling covid, we need to give it a boot in the ass. "Vaccinate or separate". There really is no other choice. This is the new plague from Medeival times. People didn't fare well then, either.

Response by SPC Bob Mesna made Feb 10 at 2022 5:45 PM

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When entering the service, you walk down a line and get two shots in each arm. They are given to protect you and others around you. What makes the covid shot different from yellow fever or any of the rest of them? When did us as service members get to say we will take this shot and not that shot? Discharge anybody who doesn't take the shot. Totally self centered that you get to spread covid around with care needed for you and others you infect without the shot. What a bunch of morons!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2022 7:01 PM

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These folks need rob retained

Response by SFC Roy Evans made Feb 10 at 2022 8:31 PM

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NO! I think it is every service member's right to refuse!

R.N.E.
SFC/E-7
USA SF (RET)

Response by MAJ Paul Blundell made Feb 10 at 2022 9:01 PM

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USN hasn't givren a R.E. since 2015! WTH? Can the whole bunch, pull some retirments and send them to the dugout. Army has been very slow as well. Unsure on others. Since USMC and CG are Navy property same applies there too.
Like Mr. Rick Scott, TX has authored, Return all to duty who were discharged and prevcent any more discharges except The Sink and the Draino-squids!

Response by SSgt Ricardo Lugo made Feb 10 at 2022 9:04 PM

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I am a warrior of the gulf war veteran; and also a man of faith in God. I favor receiving the covid vaccinations to all members of the DOD. But I think that this should not be mandatory or impose to the warriors that refuse the covid vaccinations. They should be advise of the consequent of not receiving the vaccination shot; and let them served there country; under there only risk. God Bless America.

Response by SGT(P) Bruce Cram made Feb 10 at 2022 9:23 PM

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No. They shouldn't even have to ask for an exemption.

Response by SFC Howard Holmes made Feb 10 at 2022 11:15 PM

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1SG Gomez, the reason that service members accept other vaccines is because these vaccines are derived from stem cells of aborted babies, whereas the others don't.
Spc. Mesna, I have NEVER heard anyone on Fox News state that 150,000 have died from the vaccines, and I don't see anyone on here indicating that claim, so why are you bringing that up? You need to stop watching CNN because they love accusing Fox News of saying things they never said. At least Fox News plays the videos in support of their stories.
The main point of the story is, why would the military force service members to take a vaccine that doesn't stop one from catching or spreading the disease? They have now raised the enlistment bonus to $50,000 because recruiting can't keep up needed or required strength numbers, yet they are going to discharge soldiers for a vaccine that may damage their hearts, while not stopping the spread?

Response by MSG David Lambert made Feb 11 at 2022 8:31 AM

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There’s no response to military members requests just like there’s no response to the invasion on the Southern border!!! Is anyone really surprised ? This administration full of Communist sympathizers if not outright Communist agents, actively quietly seeking the destruction of this country !! Mandatory CRT / Woke indoctrination within our military and DOJ leaves no doubt. All that evil needs to flourish is for good men to do nothing!!! We veterans are witnessing evil incarnate called career politicians in Washington DC fail in every way possible !!!!

Response by SFC Lyle Green made Feb 11 at 2022 11:45 AM

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You be the Judge!!!
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A viral video compiled using the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED) showed a sharp increase in the number of illnesses in the U.S. military presumably due to the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine.

DMED is similar to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), except that it pertains only to Department of Defense (DOD) personnel, with medical providers putting information into the system.

Attorney Thomas Renz referenced the database during a panel discussion recently hosted by Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson. According to Renz, three whistleblowers said that post-vaccination miscarriages and cancers were up 300 percent over the past year, and neurological disorders increased ten-fold among DOD personnel.

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Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2022 12:32 PM

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In a word, yes! And applying for a religious exemption after the fact is bogus. That's like saying you're a conscientious objector AFTER you learn you're going to be deployed. If military members get to pick and choose which orders they will obey, where does it stop? GIs don't get paid to think, they joined the service to follow orders. Let them read the fine print on their contracts while Uncle Sam shows them the door. Most importantly, NO POSSIBILITY OF REINSTATEMENT!

Response by CW3(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2022 2:53 PM

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Absolutely!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2022 7:30 PM

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No, to the Biden Discharge. They should not be discharged. We put much investment and training dollars into our service members to be thrown out on the streets. Yet, confused transgender servicemembers get free surgeries and ignoring excessive tribal body printing.
Military service members are used for experimental vaccine trials. I suppose many of you don't remember the massive Swine Flu vaccine given to the 82nd Airborne members in the mid 70's. Then later after the program began, the vaccine was associated with an increase in reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS), which can cause paralysis, respiratory arrest, and death.
At the least, service members vaccine refusals should get an Article 15 in their record. That should be sufficient promotion punishment.

Response by LTC Trent Klug made Feb 11 at 2022 11:59 PM

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No. Comnirty(sp) is the only FDA approved vaccine. All others are still under emergency use authorizations. Oh yeah, the Pfizer vaccine is not Comnirty.

Response by CPL Rose Hamrick made Feb 13 at 2022 9:42 AM

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Response by CPO James Barnhart made Feb 14 at 2022 7:34 AM

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No. To require the shots when there are a lot of medical issues that have been happening as a result, is just wrong.
And, to discharge trained personnel for this is wasteful and contributes to poor moral. This is a political decision, not a military one. It makes the military services less ready for missions. How could this ever make sense?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2022 1:14 PM

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There are Military Chaplains being denied religious exemptions. But the Soldiers & Servicemembers that have filed lawsuits (Navy SEALS are one group) against are being granted temporary exemptions, until their cases are adjudicated. The Courts have tended to rule on the side of personal choice in the past, but these cases are still pending.

Response by PO2 Christina Hutson made Feb 15 at 2022 12:27 AM

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I dont believe they should of against the constitution but no one follows any more.

Response by CPL Miguel Velez made Feb 15 at 2022 10:00 AM

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Yes, I believe that all military members should be vaccinated. GI means Government Issue, we are told to hang-up the civilian tantrums because we become Property of The Arm Forces. On each war eras, there were many vaccines administered before deployments and we never said no. For the past years we have lost many loved ones due to the pandemic. Many churches became agnostics and fanatics. NOT BIBLICAL. I have my three shots and looking forward for the 4, 5. Better safe than sorrow.
I disagree with military members be separated or discharged due to their refusal for the vaccinations. It has become a major issue for those that cannot get the cut to be active. I signed up at 17 and did not regret it.

Response by LCpl Anthony Cook made Feb 16 at 2022 5:49 PM

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Response by SSG Dimas .Cotto made Feb 23 at 2022 6:34 PM

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Well we can refuse owr malaria small pot Amtrak and a hold bunch of vac because you will get Court malshart so I'm not a favor of makes the military mandate but don't be a baby

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Feb 27 at 2022 11:10 AM

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Did they refuse to get vaccinated in recruit training? No? Follow orders or get out.

Response by CPL Frank Taft made Mar 2 at 2022 5:53 PM

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Remember the words of the Oath we took when enlisting. I pretty sure there is some mention of "do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Stop Slacking and do what is required of you.

Response by PVT Terrance Whitten made Mar 3 at 2022 12:03 AM

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NO This is America folks, remeber our oath... any dumb fuck shit that says any diffrent is a dumb fuck shit that should have never served nor should be serving. America = everyone has a choice= NATO, Russia = you will do as we say= WARSAW, any soilder, officer, congressman, represenative, president who says otherwise goes against the code of conduct and all orders therefore are null and void. Go on about your duty as you see fit at this time, because obviously not a one of them knowes their ass from their assholes. I remember in Basic hearing "hurry up hurry up Goddammit, you are moving like pond water and pond water does not move, but it was never straight into live fire. I am a Veteran, these shots have caused me to get congested every morning after about a week after the 2nd shot. In America everyone has a choice, prove me wrong and loose your citizensip.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 11 at 2022 1:33 PM

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Refusing the covid vaccine is not the issue. Refusing to follow an order is the issue. Their is no reg which states you must submit to a vaccine. But you do have to follow orders, direct and lawful.

Response by Sgt William Chapman made Mar 26 at 2022 11:39 AM

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Must be a different military now. I was in from 63 - 67 . Vietnam 65 . They never asked if you wanted a shot. You were marched to the clinic got your shots . End of story.

Response by Cpl Tou Yang made Mar 26 at 2022 12:37 PM

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I find it amusing at best that a person in the military can claim religious exemption when they accepted every other shots provided, especially the Antrax cocktail. Please spare me the drama and just say you're a stupid idiot who support a pathological liar.

Response by A1C Gregory Filbrun made Mar 29 at 2022 7:59 AM

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The opening statement on this thread is asinine & the Sheep's answer which is based on a LIE... The injection is not a vaccine it's an untested man-made mRNA concoction, which according to Pfizer own documents they were forced to released from the 75 year seal (which Pfizer insisted on) Kills people.

Furthermore a vaccine is made of dead virus, so your your system/Body will generate it's own Antibodies to fight said virus.

Therefore your statement that this "vaccine" is the same as all others vaccines is a FLAT OUT LIE & Dangerous.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 30 at 2022 3:53 PM

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No. But they should for refusing N order.

Response by CPL Linda B. made Mar 31 at 2022 10:01 AM

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2022 10:56 AM

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Yes

Response by LT John Conway made Mar 31 at 2022 3:29 PM

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Yes.

Response by CPT Ian Stewart made Mar 31 at 2022 4:45 PM

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Yes, they should. The chain of command has to put the unit's ability to carry out its mission above all other considerations. If a member of that unit refuses to get vaccinated, he/she endangers the health of the rest of the unit which in turn could lower the unit's combat effectiveness.
Regarding religious exemptions - I agree with 1SG Gomez, if they didn't ask for a RE for their other vaccinations, they shouldn't get one for the COVID shot.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 31 at 2022 7:13 PM

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Holy Crap, The Military Sure Has Changed Since My Time (1961 1965)
When You Were Told To Go To The Clinic & Get Your Vaccine,
We Didn't Ask Questions Or File A Complaint Or Make Up Some BS About Our Religious Beliefs,
You Just Got Your Butt Off The Rack & Did What You Were Instructed To Do,,
What Manner Of Military Enlistees Are We Getting, Ballerina's & Interior Decorators?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2022 9:48 PM

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It’s a little disheartening to come back a month later to read these comments and see the astounding number of idiots, whackos, and simpletons who at one point probably held a security clearance…

If the Mos Eisley cantina were a VFW, it would be this comment thread

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2022 2:29 AM

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YES!

Response by SMSgt Michael Gleason made Apr 19 at 2022 12:24 PM

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YES!! In almost 34 years, I don't remember ever having any "choice" about which immunizations I was required to receive, and all were in the name of "World-Wide Eligibility" for service! I can't imagine that ANY member of the U.S. Armed Forces would be permitted to refuse innocculation!

Response by SFC Michael Peterson made Apr 20 at 2022 2:59 PM

2022-04-20T14:59:36-04:00

I don’t think they should. The testing for this vaccine was rushed and, not as thorough as the other vaccines given to Soldiers. For example, during Desert Shield, before the ground war started, we were given an option to take an experimental vaccine. I don’t remember what it was for, either to boost your immune system against Anthrax or nerve agent poisoning. I took it with along about a fourth of my unit but, I didn’t have to. Also, COVID 19 is mostly over and, it’s nothing more than a severe version of the flu. The military has spent way too much money training Soldiers to kick them out for such a stupid reason as refusing what is a rapidly tested vaccine. Especially while the same government is allowing MILLIONS of ILLEGAL aliens to cross our border UNVACCINATED. They’re treating these ILLEGAL border crossers better than our own Troops and, that’s not OK with me.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2022 9:21 AM

2022-04-24T09:21:53-04:00

I’m of the opinion that you are either going to get COVID or you’re not. You’re either going to Die from it or you’re not. After receiving Vaccine B in the desert in 1999 (not in my shot record. Can’t find it anywhere in my medical record) I figure that one more vaccine wasn’t going to hurt and, while in a leadership position I wasn’t going to set a different expectation for those I manage than I have for myself. The vaccine is so politicized that we may never know the truth about it. At this point, I think that the more pressing issue was- How much blind trust and follower-ship will the general public have and how much over reach will they tolerate. As far as the DOD…I think that it’s more of a show of support to this Administration. The vaccine was never going to change the operations of certain components of the active duty force. Even with the “stop movement”, we were flying in 100+ students per week, elbow to elbow in classrooms, group shelters, etc. Once the individual states began banning travel into their states by individuals from HOT SPOT states, the military began using mil air to circumvent those travel bans and allowing these students to travel into the local community after duty hours, all the while keeping up the Public Policy of a “stop movement”. Other components of the mil have taken advantage of it…using COVID as an excuse. How do we graduate a medical airman who has only completed 40% of the traditional tech school curriculum? As we’ve continued to see repeat infection by those who have been full vaccinated and previously infected, and the ability to pass along the virus regardless of vaccine status (along with the decreased awareness by those asymptomatic) much of this has to do with the old - Do something, even if it doesn’t do anything (or much). As for the rights for exemption…once you’re in, you’re rights are only as applicable as the political winds. You should know that going in. Exceptions are only as valuable as the pressing social issues of the day. The vaccine issue is less than ANY of the other personal compromises that you’ll face on a nearly daily basis. Also, with the recent SCOTUS ruling surrounding the issue, apparently you no longer have the option to debate lawful vs unlawful order before complying. Interesting days ahead.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Apr 24 at 2022 3:49 PM

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Let me get this straight. A soldier wants a religious exemption from getting a shot. Yet your religion is okay with you being in the military and possibly having to use deadly force to execute your mission or support service for those deploying deadly force. That would be an individual so full of shit they should have a hazardous waste sign stapled to their forehead.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Apr 24 at 2022 4:02 PM

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Solution: all you soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, coast guard and space force who were drafted into the military form up to the left and follow the Social worker out of the room. The rest of you who volunteered to join the military, shut your pie hole and roll up your sleeve .

Response by SFC John Gilmore made Apr 28 at 2022 9:24 AM

2022-04-28T09:24:51-04:00

This has become a hot and divisive topic for sure! I can only throw out some food for thought here...many moons ago when I served in the 505th PIR (the pterodactyl's eyes turned green for the go signal), prior to assuming Mission Cycle we were inoculated against everything except...ahem... our libidos. No one thought twice about it, because we understood that with a no notice world wide deployment mission we might actually end up somewhere the plague (as an example) was rampant. Same thing with the Flu shot...every year, no choice...and we all understood that we had to get the shots to be deployable.
I said all that to say this: Although I can understand and respect the hesitation before the Covid vaccines were FDA approved, the question I think that must be answered (especially given the highly contagious nature of Covid) is do we want non deployable personnel in our units? Or worse... someone sick with it in a two man fighting position?
I don't have a good answer except to say that the military is and should be a war fighting force first and foremost... doing whatever is needed to insure that.
Just my thoughts...

Response by PV2 Joanes Edouard made Apr 28 at 2022 3:46 PM

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Anyone who refused to take the vaccine is a danger to everyone else in the military, and that person should not be in the military is not a team player, and he or she is also too selfish and ignorant to understand the threat and danger that he or she would be to everyone else.

Response by SSG Timothy Philbrook made May 4 at 2022 12:02 PM

2022-05-04T12:02:17-04:00

No they shouldn't

Response by 1stSgt Tim Martin made May 7 at 2022 2:29 AM

2022-05-07T02:29:55-04:00

I don't think they should. First, these are vaccines that are UNPROVEN in effectiveness, and were only authorized under emergency order. Second, there are no long term studies addressing possible negative medical consequences, which we are now seeing a LOT of issues, particularly with military aged people. Third, just because you didn't have a religious concern when you signed up up for the military doesn't mean your religious views haven't changed. Yes, getting the covid infection MAY make you temporarily non-deployable, so will 100 other things. On the other hand, myocarditis from the vaccine could make you permanently unfit for duty.

Response by Sgt Peter Endyke made May 8 at 2022 9:21 AM

2022-05-08T09:21:06-04:00

The mrna drug is experimental and should NOT be given to GI's. It has caused untold injuries and deaths to young men and women who have a 99.9% chance of survival. The big pharma corporations in collusion with the feds have inflicted massive suffering on the military to get filthy rich and exert their power and control by using a man-made virus unleashed on the world. Now the J&J vax is stopped due to blood clotting. These meds have not been approved by the FDA. This is why this whole thing is criminal.

Why can't the military give servicemen and women IVERMECTIN or HCQ? 2 proven drugs? MONEY! Thats why.

Response by PO3 Robert Cassidy made May 11 at 2022 4:41 AM

2022-05-11T04:41:27-04:00

Not just NO! To take this "shot" or to order anyone in the military to take this shot is an act of Destruction of Government Property." To go down to a homeless encampment and take some fluid out of the gutter and inject it would be safer than taking this shot. The same government people, like Fauci, who were involved in the design of the virus, also were involved in the design of this shot. The shot never past the FDA's required testing for efficacy and safety, because it can't. Anyone taking this shot is mentally disturbed and following orders from a psychopath.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2022 7:34 PM

2022-05-18T19:34:25-04:00

My brothers and sisters in uniform, veterans and retired. Why must your responses include personal attacks? There is already too much divisiveness. Must we continue to prime the pump?

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Jun 5 at 2022 12:22 PM

2022-06-05T12:22:26-04:00

The military spread the 1918 "Devil Virus." Keep these shot slackers in so they can't go infect the populace they claim they're "protecting."

Response by SPC Tamara Trammell made Jun 17 at 2022 2:10 PM

2022-06-17T14:10:20-04:00

Unless they can prove a specific family strain of medical reactions to the vaccines (I've met 1 person with a familial allergy to a known ingredient both major brands share);
YES! They should have applied for the exemption beforehand. If there's a problem with COVID-19, there's definitely a problem with the live mold, bacteria, and viruses in other shots they received back in Basic Training.

I hope someone is getting some really good psychology research on superstition from all this. Vaccines have proven a very reliable spark throughout their history.

Response by SGT David Sievers made Jun 28 at 2022 12:38 AM

2022-06-28T00:38:37-04:00

Ignoring the fact that the MRNA is gene therapy and forcing experimental medical procedures as a violation of section 10 of the Nuremberg code which is international law the United States military should really ponder this question, are they prepared to say goodbye to a steady stream of recruits over enforcing something that is both illegal and immoral? Recruitment rates have fallen faster than an Al Capone witness with cement shoes in the last couple of years what makes you think enforcing this is going to make things better? Do you honestly think people are going to overlook how service members were treated in the past and add this on to it and still sign the contract? The military is run up against some rough competition with more and more businesses offering similar bonuses like tuition assistance for example. If you want to have men and women of the ever diminishing pool of qualified candidates sign on the dotted line it would be wise to not go down this road. Good luck with the draft by the way just in case you're crossing your fingers for that. That's a whole nother can of worms but after Vietnam he will never win that battle with the American people.

Response by CPO Melvin Miller made Jul 11 at 2022 9:50 AM

2022-07-11T09:50:25-04:00

It comes back down to the readiness of the unit Then Infected that person needs to be isolated and there goes the integrity of the unit. Units are made up of personnel doing their jobs generally no slack or double coverage in some units

Response by 1SG Warren Scherer made Jul 14 at 2022 6:42 PM

2022-07-14T18:42:45-04:00

It's sad that so many people blind follow orders. There have been many an instance were Soldiers claimed, "I was just following orders." That has also been proven to not be an adequate defense if those orders are unlawful. I have taken Anthrax, Smallpox, and several others. If you are blindly following orders, shame on you. The military either wants Soldiers that can think on their feet and question things, or they want robots who just do what they are told. A good leader will always explain the why to get buy in from subordinates. That's just good leadership. Your people need to trust you. There's always a time and place for that, that may have to come later after the mission is done. But keeping your subordinates informed is a tenet of leadership. Sadly too many seniors worry about evaluations and are too soft or scared to speak up. There are too many yes men......see why we went to Vietnam or why we went to Iraq and so many other places because people blindly believed what they were told. NCOs are supposed to the backbone of the military. Either grow one, retire, or ETS. Forcing people to take an experimental vaccine is not part of the greater good or national security.

Response by PO1 David Kingsley made Jul 17 at 2022 5:04 AM

2022-07-17T05:04:49-04:00

The FDA has Fully Certified the Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna Vaccines as of 14 Feb 2022
Over Half the population of the US has been Fully Vaccinated and Boosted so they are No Longer Emergency Use Authorized, they can No Longer be Considered "Experimental"

To Date, All the Studies of "Side Effects" have Resulted in Effects Occurring in Lesser Numbers than normally Occurring in Society. Micro Embolism events (bubbles in the blood) have Occurred Less Often after receiving a Covid-19 Vaccination, than Normally occurring in Society. Death after receiving a Vaccination has Occurred Less Often than normally occurring in society.

No Religion's Leadership (like the Pope, or the Southern Baptist Conference or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints "The Mormon's") have Expressed Any interest in Objecting to the Vaccines on Religious Grounds, Even Though Some Lesser Leaders have Stated they Personally Object to the Vaccines.

The Militaries have taken precautions to protect service members from Preventable Diseases. This Reduces the Services Expenses of treating the disease and the loss of the service member's services while they are out sick. This is why everyone goes to the Medic's/Corps people and get's vaccinations administered to them in boot camp. The Only Times a Service Member could Refuse to get Vaccinated was if they were medically allergic to getting it (march single file between the corpsmen, relax your arms and get vaccinated or face charges of Refusing a Direct Order)

Response by SGT Dave Hamilton made Jul 17 at 2022 5:22 PM

2022-07-17T17:22:54-04:00

Ya I'm gonna be the descending vote here I get where military dicipline and adherence to standards is paramount. But removing the politics alone. It was and Continues to be experimental. started out it was for a lifetime then six months now seems they are wrong again and its maybe good for three months. Every other vaccine you are asked to take was tested and had long history of success. this one has been proven to be pretty medeorce at best. So no I don't think it should be a an automatic discharge for refusing it. At least to a point the government is willing to take full financial responsibility for any and all negitive effects before decades of fighting since its experimental. There is no almost no proof it's been anything but devisive.

Response by PO2 Lawrence Moody made Aug 7 at 2022 7:21 PM

2022-08-07T19:21:04-04:00

Covid? No, as it is found that the vaccine does not work. If the vaccine worked then the vaccinated could have returned to their jobs without masks.
The Government put into place those that would spread their agenda and ruined those that opposed.
Like I say, "With an open eye, look to your left, look towards your right, turn and look behind you, for the enemy maybe in front of you in plain sight, seek out they enemies, for they walk amongst you."

Response by LCpl Seth Thompson made Aug 18 at 2022 9:50 PM

2022-08-18T21:50:46-04:00

Think its quite ridiculous on both sides. Shouldn’t be afraid of a vaccine but at the same time most the other vaccines prevent illness and this is not as effective as those. Since when do we let foolish and scared leadership push control over the population?

Response by LCpl Seth Thompson made Aug 18 at 2022 9:51 PM

2022-08-18T21:51:49-04:00

Also as a side note this kinda negates the whole my body my choice movement doesn’t it?

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Aug 18 at 2022 11:57 PM

2022-08-18T23:57:55-04:00

The military is screaming for Recruit to the point it’s affecting Combat Readiness. But wait the military wants to kick good people out for position they can’t fill! My family has fought and served from 1775 to Afghanistan till now. I told my children when it was time to make that Choice to take a knee. Our family has given it all while the Government and Military have attacked our values and beliefs. The military wants woke worriers and BETA Boys. As if they can win Wars with the entire Warrior Class of America telling their kids No to service. And yes there is a Warrior Class in America we are generations of Warriors who have fought, died and killed from day one for this country. But our Country doesn’t want our service anymore so we will not apply. So yes go ahead and kick good people out while the military is bleeding bodies monthly out of the service. Good luck fighting that next war or conflict without your best Warrior Families on the front lines we are staying home on the Farm!

Response by Amn Kenneth Shostad made Sep 5 at 2022 5:10 PM

2022-09-05T17:10:45-04:00

NO, as the vaccine that the FDA approved isn't the same as the one they are ILLEGALLY giving the servicemen. They have lied to ALL who took the JAB with the mRNA gene therapy in it.
These are the same people that tested syphilis on the black community and Agent Orange and many many other drugs on our servicemen of the past.
They are also going to put the mRNA into ALL vaccines making them ALL deadly.
Clearly, the upper members have been read into this and are Okay with murdering our members, I am NOT.
Do NOT Trust anyone in the government, do your own research or find someone that you can trust to do it for you...
They [Globalists] want to destroy ALL countries of the world and install their NWO and OWR...
GOD Bless ALL of the Patriots of the World who are fighting against the Globalists, LORD please put a hedge of Protection around us ALL... AMEN...

Response by CPO Melvin Miller made Sep 7 at 2022 8:54 AM

2022-09-07T08:54:22-04:00

If you have a problem with a vaccine. You should never have gone into the military. If you are requesting a religious exception you should not have gone in the military. I do not know of any religion that has beliefs against vaccines. The discussion comes up all the time is it an approved vaccine. Is it a lawful order from superiors to get it. Yes in both cases. Are there bad results from vaccines yes. They are not perfect. All the people in a unit need to follow the same regimen. That way if and when you are deployed the integrity of the unit is solid. Percentages of side effects are low. People want to quote facts. Please make a note and study and the expertise of the person giving the facts. There has been experiments on groups of people yes. A lot of our cures vaccines equipment was developed by testing. Testing for vaccines are generally tested first on animals. My thought now is if you decline the vaccines then you are not following an order. Lets make it easy we did swear an oath. my refusing to get it you have broken it. simple choice. If at anytime you want to not follow an order than please ask for a discharge.

Response by 1SG Steven Eldridge made Sep 12 at 2022 12:29 AM

2022-09-12T00:29:07-04:00

It’s their choice and should not affect their service after all we still live in a free republic, don’t we?

Response by MSG Michael Gay made Oct 15 at 2022 11:37 AM

2022-10-15T11:37:33-04:00

We have now determined that the vaccine does protect the individual, somewhat from more severe illness and death. But it does not do much of what the CDC and WHO advised the entire world that it does. It does not prevent spread of the virus. It does not prevent a person from being infected with the virus. It WAS initially started from the lab in Wuhan China. The US Taxpayers funded the Wuhan Lab thru Dr Fauci. Dr Fauci was wrong in most of his advice about the virus. Dr Fauci lied to the American people about the virus even in sworn testimony to Congress. Masks offer extremely little protection from spreading the virus. (The virus is .2 to .4 microns the most popular masks available for the first 18 months would not filter anything less than 5 or 10 microns). The masks do slow the velocity of a sneeze of cough but leave any virus on the mask. Thus touching the mask can spread any virus to any person or surface. I’ve light (especially sunlight) destroys Covid virus in less than 2 minutes. Benign spread out and outdoors, constant exchange of air and UV lights in HVAC units offer far better protection than the masks. The masks were emphasized mostly because on Presidential Candidate wore a mask every time he was seen the President at that time did not. Bot men caught the virus!

Response by SSgt Dennis Brown made Oct 19 at 2022 3:57 AM

2022-10-19T03:57:30-04:00

I've heard many that requested exemptions well over a year ago that are being given the boot right now while still waiting to hear back on their requests...at the same time, it was announced, NOT by any political party, but by the manufacturers of the "vaccines" that they are NOT a real vaccine as they have NO medicinal properties in them...so, no discharges for refusal to take the "jab"

Response by Marlene Taylor made Oct 20 at 2022 12:24 AM

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Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Nov 18 at 2022 4:57 PM

2022-11-18T16:57:12-05:00

Sadly my thoughts and Opinions do not matter, on this subject, if it did, you would not be getting a discharge for a experimental vaccine that we now know does not work.
when the vaccine first came out , I had no issue getting the two part series of shot, that we were told would protect us from the virus, Ironic isn't it? that I two trusted my Government. this was before the CDC , fed gov, and Pfizer corporation, started saying we needed a booster every couple of months, this is when I knew the vaccination did not work, and stop taking the jab. I should have known early, Why? it was these same government agency's and corporations telling us, that we didn't need a mask, then we needed a mask, told us that a cut up pair of blue jeans, or old underwear , faces shield, or a piece of plexiglass would protect us from a virus.
anyone who has paid attention during Chemical, Biological and nuclear warfare knows you need a mask that is designed to stop that virus. that a old pair of cut up blue jeans was not going to protect you. yet to this day we still have citizens walking around wearing a mask that does absolutely nothing to protect you, if you can smell some ones body odor, that virus can get to you.

do not get me started on the stupid plexiglass , they were acting like the virus could not go over, under or around the sides to infect you, the American people were so afraid they wanted to believe the lie, that the Democratic party was telling, wanted to believe the American government agency's the elected democratic officials that was in total control of the American government, we did not want to believe they were lying to us , in order to control the American people.

what even worse there are those who will support the lying cheating deceiving democratic officials over the truth , sadly some still are believing this lie!
the elected democratic officials and there supporters scream about following the science, but when you ask to see the science data , they would become indignant, and scream you are a Science denier, while refusing to show the data, these same individuals act the exact same way when you question man made climate change , they scream you are a flat earther when you request to see the data, or the so called List of 99,9% of scientist that all agree with man made climate change, they refuse to show the names or information they just call you names to shut you up, if that does not work, they put pressure on your employer to get you fired, all with the Goal of silencing you and others who agree with you. to prevent you and others from asking legitimate questions, twenty years ago this would not have happen in America, it Ironic the same political party that clamed to be the party of Science , refuse to believe that nature and God has only given us two genders . they tell us we have 52 plus genders, that your feelings can change your gender and men can give birth, this is not science it a cult !
the so called party that wants to protect democracy, refuses to allow the citizens to have freedom of speech, religion, the right to self-defense, refuse to allow the citizen to protect themselves and there family's from violent criminals. like I said what I think does not matter , I am not in charge.

Response by SPC Kent Laughlin made Nov 22 at 2022 10:43 AM

2022-11-22T10:43:32-05:00

amazing how the fake vaccines are causing lots of issues, but it does not perform the mission that it was designed to do - protect against the Chinese manufactured bio weapon... booster this and booster that and soon the public is informed that someone innoculated has come down with the virus once again.. or died shortly after receiving the shot.. lots of questions so few answers, yet the clowns in DC are ready to trash our troops at a time when the communists are acting up in a major way.. good thinking there in command HQ.. Oh and the long time thinking with viral infections has been that if you get infected and survive you have a 27 greater immunity to the virus.. of course that does not meet the narrative.. Those vaccines that we took entering the service or as we were being deployed overseas were long time tested BEFORE jabbing the guinea pigs ..

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2022 8:42 PM

2022-12-03T20:42:29-05:00

NO!, the Covid JAB is a death sentence, no one should be forced to to this against their will, no they should not be discharged for this reason The Covid Jab kills 7300 Americans per week While
Covid 19 virus kills 1740 Americans per week, more people are dying from this jab or have side effects that are worse than dying, standing orders: you do not need to obey a illegal, immoral order!

Response by PO1 Terry Scott made Dec 11 at 2022 7:21 PM

2022-12-11T19:21:40-05:00

No they shouldn’t. That vaccine is way different from all the others. It isn’t dead or weakened virus but a cloned virus with gene splicing to fool the immune system. It was developed or tested with the cloned cells of aborted children. The Dr who invented that technology to go after cancer caused by viruses said the technology is being used wrong. Now that we are discovering how corrupt our government and social media was in silencing the opinion and facts and findings from other Doctors and scientists let’s not be to hasty. Currently the folks most likely to get very ill, admitted to hospitals and or die are the most vaccinated. I’m sure the techs and administrators of social media weren’t left wing misguided control freaks but were concerned about having the domestic terrorists from the FBI or DOJ or even maybe the DOE or Agriculture knocking on their door in the wee hours and dragging their families out into the front yard for the neighbors entertainment.

Response by A1C Alexa Cosson made Dec 14 at 2022 3:39 PM

2022-12-14T15:39:06-05:00

I have seen old, frail vaccinated patients walk out of the hospital. I have also seen young, healthy unvaccinated patients die. After all, we get vaccinated in basic training against many illnesses we'll never encounter. Why not help yourself and all around you by taking a little shot in the arm? As military members, we've sworn to protect the United States against all enemies...including a preventable, potentially fatal virus! If you don't get vaccinated, stay home, and protect everyone else from you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2022 10:43 AM

2022-12-17T10:43:54-05:00

No they shouldnt. If anyone looked at the actual statistics, COVID jab hasnt helped more than it has hurt. Secondly, this vaccine is created with RNA technology. There is no long term study. It is experimental and therefore nothing says it's potential to be better than worse exists. Animal studies were cancelled. Lastly, if you follow any news, you'd quickly realize it is gain of function researched funded by fauci, which means he stands to make profit if it is used, which is a direct conflict of interest when the government is taking his advice for its use.

Statistics show that the jab had ZERO effect on world infections. Did not even slow down the rate of infections. I dont need a religious exemption to say no to this. I just need the most basic common sense. Which is apparently very very rare. And it shows, even here.

Response by SGT Fred Flick made Jan 14 at 2023 11:58 AM

2023-01-14T11:58:22-05:00

War time heros dishonorably discharged for refusing the vaccine is a crime. Vax has evidence leaning towards more detriment benefits than benefits for younger people. In short there's no physical reason to take something that increases cardiac arrest.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2023 6:49 PM

2023-01-21T18:49:57-05:00

NO, this is an experimental vaccine and no-one should be forced to get it. Why are we forcing a vaccine for a virus that has a survival rate of 99.9xx% even with the falsified numbers and forcing covid cases into nursing home at the beginning of this plandemic.

Response by SP5 John Cope made Feb 1 at 2023 9:47 AM

2023-02-01T09:47:36-05:00

I DONT THINK MOST SOLDERS SHOULD HAVE TO TAKE EARLY OUT BECUSE OF OF NOT TAKING THE SHOT

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Feb 22 at 2023 8:24 PM

2023-02-22T20:24:46-05:00

Yes. No one had any issues being poked and prodded with just about everything else out there BEFORE the COVID vaccine, but NOW it's a problem? That's crap and they need to be discharged. Yes, I know that the numbers are terrible right now. Don't care.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Mar 12 at 2023 3:49 PM

2023-03-12T15:49:57-04:00

Emphatic NO. Covid vac is experimental fast tracted for use and now proven in effective. Wise not to trust political activated vac and natural immunity has been proven

Response by TSgt D Newman made Mar 28 at 2023 10:35 AM

2023-03-28T10:35:04-04:00

Only responding cause the "Thumbs Down" button is a joke. But to question why religious exemption isn't used with prior vaccinations is because they weren't made from the cells of dead Festus. And yes this is factual. But to discharge trained and qualified military members is equivalent to no different than Hitler's third Reich where they al had to step in line or else. Perhaps the question should be posted "Where is the Leadership to put an end to the Social Engineering experiments we now have in the military."

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Mar 28 at 2023 5:14 PM

2023-03-28T17:14:44-04:00

Regardless of your opinion of the vaccine or my opinion of the vaccine, the actual question has nothing to do with the vaccine.

The real question is SHOULD MILITARY SERVICE MEMBERS BE SEPARATED/DISCHARGED FOR REFUSING TO OBEY A LAWFUL ORDER?

Whether that order made good sense is immaterial -- service members don't get to pick and choose which lawful orders they are expected to obey.

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made Apr 5 at 2023 12:25 AM

2023-04-05T00:25:21-04:00

In the discussions I've had with others related to the Covid vaccine, those in favor of the vaccine, and those opposed to the vaccine, seem to divide along political lines. That's something the military cannot allow to guide the national security agenda. But if opposition to the vaccine is predicated on religious reasons, keep in mind that our military service has always been contingent upon a willingness to enter into lethal combat with another human being. When we enter the military, we must be prepared to park our political and moral code at the curb. My NCO (E6) in Vietnam met, and married, a woman who brought him "Heart and soul", into the faith. He applied for, and was granted, CO (Conscientious Objector) status. But it was made clear to him that his next "Re-Up" would be denied.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Apr 28 at 2023 1:01 PM

2023-04-28T13:01:44-04:00

You should take the shot, you are in the military and follow orders and take the shot. Semper Fi