Posted on Jul 25, 2017
Should military personnel be automatically exempt from having to go thru the weapons permit process and be able to get it automatically?
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This is geared more towards just owning a firearm, but your opinions on CCPs are welcome
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NO, for several reasons.
Character is not guaranteed due to military service.
Character, mental status, legal status can change over time..lawfully carrying a concealed weapon should be determined in the present moment, not past history.
Military service does not equal weapon proficiency ...I attended Drill Sergeant School with a SSG who had not touched a weapon since Basic and AIT other than to qualify annually, and miserably at that. She literately had held a weapon (M16) only a few times in 11 years and fired one 11 times. As a sigint geek sitting in a basement SCIF in the pentagon she had no need, (other then by regulation) and thus it was not a task performed. She had NEVER held, seen, fired a pistol until DS school..(not part of the course, but a few of us took it upon ourselves to get her up to speed and took some personal time to instruct and take her to the range locally)
EDIT SGT (Join to see) you said "weapons permit process" just to be clear..are you speaking about the right to carry concealed (or open) a weapon? (This is what i assumed and how I based my response)
Or were you speaking to purchase and maintain control? like is done in a few states that refuse to abide by the 2nd amendment as written?
Character is not guaranteed due to military service.
Character, mental status, legal status can change over time..lawfully carrying a concealed weapon should be determined in the present moment, not past history.
Military service does not equal weapon proficiency ...I attended Drill Sergeant School with a SSG who had not touched a weapon since Basic and AIT other than to qualify annually, and miserably at that. She literately had held a weapon (M16) only a few times in 11 years and fired one 11 times. As a sigint geek sitting in a basement SCIF in the pentagon she had no need, (other then by regulation) and thus it was not a task performed. She had NEVER held, seen, fired a pistol until DS school..(not part of the course, but a few of us took it upon ourselves to get her up to speed and took some personal time to instruct and take her to the range locally)
EDIT SGT (Join to see) you said "weapons permit process" just to be clear..are you speaking about the right to carry concealed (or open) a weapon? (This is what i assumed and how I based my response)
Or were you speaking to purchase and maintain control? like is done in a few states that refuse to abide by the 2nd amendment as written?
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SGM Erik Marquez
CPT Lawrence Cable - And while not "graded" perhaps it also included implied and required tasks of safely handling, loading the weapon, unloading and making safe..Yes?
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CPT Lawrence Cable - Well that's better than nothing. I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of proficiency test here in Mississippi. Being able to handle a gun and not shoot yourself or the instructor with it is our current "test". :)
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SGM Erik Marquez - The CCDW course here consists of 4 hours of classroom about evenly divided between firearm safety and the legal ramifications of concealed carry and the use of deadly force. Both section are included on a written test and you are required some minimum score. The firearm stuff if VERY BASIS, the kind of stuff you give recruits on day one, this is a pistol, the bullets come out this end, kind of stuff. I would say about half the class was at that level. Then you get a 4 hour range session, which is mainly waiting to shoot, just like in the Army. My instructors ran everyone through, then took the No Go's and give them some shooting training before letting them try the qualifications again. I didn't see it as a big imposition and it at least gives the permit holder some clue about how and when to shoot.
OTOH, I could have walked in and passed both the written test and shooting skills without an instruction. I think anyone in the military that is qualified with pistol could have done the same. It would help on the legal part if you had trained on Civil Disturbances with the National Guard.
OTOH, I could have walked in and passed both the written test and shooting skills without an instruction. I think anyone in the military that is qualified with pistol could have done the same. It would help on the legal part if you had trained on Civil Disturbances with the National Guard.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Sir, Go next door. Alabama doesn't require any "test" You apply for the permit, wait a week, get a letter, and go get the permit.
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Considering how some of the people I have seen handle weapons in the Army, I would have to say no.
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Exemption for military (active, reserve, & retired) is a two edge sword for the individual. And I am of two minds as to the whole "Constitutional Carry" issue in general. In states like Kentucky, that CCDW "military exemption exist", but only with documentation showing weapons qualification.
Trouble with both is the individual may have missed out in some importing gun law training and could be exposed to some risk of serious weapons violations. The same could be said for "Constitutional Carry" in that I would like everyone to get some training and gun law education before they go out into the general public with a gun.
Trouble with both is the individual may have missed out in some importing gun law training and could be exposed to some risk of serious weapons violations. The same could be said for "Constitutional Carry" in that I would like everyone to get some training and gun law education before they go out into the general public with a gun.
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