Posted on Oct 10, 2015
CPL Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic
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It seems more and more that an NCO cannot handle his troops without someone breathing down his neck about it. However, who SHOULD know that soldier better than any other leader? His NCO. So why not let that leader tend his soldiers his way? If it gets to a point that it needs to go above him then by all means, but got the most part, NCOS need to be allowed to lead and train their troops.
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SSG Eric Eck
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I've read some comments on here and it seems the higher up the chain, the more they want to know what is going on. I will say this to those people, no, you don't need to know everything, you promoted these people to be NCOs for a reason, if you don't trust them, don't promote them, furthermore, we don't need some private straight out of basic getting Art. 15 for spitting on the sidewalk when his/her NCO could have made an on the spot correction. And no you don't need a written counseling for every little infraction, that is just leaderships way of screwing over an otherwise good soldier.
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SGT Chip Hutchings
SGT Chip Hutchings
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What about an NCO just bringing on that good old fashioned smoke session.
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SSG Eric Eck
SSG Eric Eck
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I've had "good old fashioned" smoke sessions when I was lower enlisted, it's good for getting in shape, plus, if you don't like it, don't fuck up. Some NCOs go too far, but the good ones can get their point across without smoking his soldiers out too much. Hell, they should never have gotten rid of "Wall to wall counseling".
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CPL Wichman - to me I want nothing more than Team Leaders and Squad Leaders solving problems - as many of them as possible. However, you'd have to be more specific about you not being able to handle problems at your level. I expect to be informed on the discipline of the Soldiers in the Platoon, and your Squad.

When I am working with the PSG to develop the Platoon's NCOs, I want to know how they wish to solve the problems in their Squad - and challenging them to think about all of the options they have available to enforce discipline in the ranks. Often a brand new CPL or SGT's "react to contact" method may not be the right answer, and our PSG understands he has to grow them now that they've put on the stripes. These small disciplinary fractions then become a developmental moment for young NCOs as well as for the Soldiers in the Squad. It also serves as development for me as a Lieutenant because I am learning the leaders and Soldiers in the Platoon and how they solve problems - and how the Platoon Sergeant builds our NCOs. Would you consider this breathing down your neck?

If by 'breathing down your neck', you mean that you want to handle corrective training and problem solving without anyone asking what you are doing - then you are asking for leadership that is disengaged. If you are asking to have more input in what action is taken against one of your Soldiers when he needs to receive corrective training, or punishment, then your concern is more with your immediate chain of command than the actual Army system.
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SGT Robert Wager
SGT Robert Wager
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Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties; they will not have to accomplish mine. I will earn their respect and confidence as well as that of my Soldiers. I will be loyal to those with whom I serve; seniors, peers, and subordinates alike

You should be kept in the loop on the development of Junior NCOs as well as the training of your soldiers. At the platoon level Officers are being trained just as much as their soldiers. If your NCOs are doing their job well, you will time to both learn to lead soldiers and the ability to lead soldiers. My job is (was) to earn your confidence and respect to both help you learn to lead and also be led by you.

We have all known NCOs and officers that didn’t get that relationship right and the leadership team at the platoon level failed. NCOs that refused to help a young LT learn AND be led because they believed they shouldn’t be led by an officer with no experience and just as bad, a young officer that refuses the wisdom and decades of experience from his NCO support.

I think what the OP is saying is that there is a trend of not letting NCOs at the lowest level so their job without interference from people upstream.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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First of all, remember the UCMJ and the how and whens. Second, your authority is limited, very limited. I as a PS expect to be kept informed on all discipline matters in my platoon, no matter how slight. If one of my SL is having a problem, I expect him to inform me of it, and in our talk I'll ask if "you got it or not", and let you know I've got your back. I expect it to be documented properly, and kept up dated on the situation. I'm not going to get in your weeds, but I'm not going to let you fail.
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