Should NCOs inspect barracks during the weekend?

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 16:40:38 -0400

Barracks inspections in USAEUR are now required daily. Is this too intrusive? How deep should the inspection go and at what times?

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 4:46 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 16:46:29 -0400

I think maybe once every couple months would be okay. I think it also depends on the certain individual. Like if one guy has his room together then thats good and they should put more focus on the individuals that don't have it together.

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Jun 20 at 2015 4:49 PM

CSM Michael J. Uhlig — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 16:49:17 -0400

Try making your check during the time that the Soldiers are not taken off guard, especially on the weekend, go in at about 1700, 1800 or even 1900. No need to do room checks, just make sure you check in, but while there see how your Soldiers are living, check the laundry room and if you have an at-risk Soldier it is worth making sure they are doing ok, make sure the leadership that lives in the barracks know when you will be there as well.....you don't have to go in disrupting peoples lives to get across that you are there to check on the barracks.

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Jun 20 at 2015 4:55 PM

MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 16:55:51 -0400

I think the bigger question is WHY is it necessary to do daily barracks checks? Seems like there may be underlying problems that need to be addressed first. Without knowing why the daily checks were implemented, it's impossible to analyze the situation.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 4:58 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 16:58:34 -0400

the way i grew up was this...

E-5s - Daily before first call
E-6s - weekly before closeout
E-7s - monthly
E-8/9s - health and welfare

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made Jun 20 at 2015 5:55 PM

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:55:34 -0400

I guess it depends on your objective.

If it is a "barracks" inspection then sure, why not. Any day is a good day to inspect the "barracks".

If you really want to do a room inspection, then I say NO. For one, in my experience, 90-95 of my soldiers are not there during the weekend, Visiting family, friends, going to a movie, bar, etc. So, you wouldn't be able to really check on people's rooms anyway, just the the one unlucky soldier that happens to be there when you show up.

I've been in the uncomfortable position of having to apologize to family members that were visiting their soldier when I showed up to "inspect" the room. Yes apologize, that soldier and their family were in the middle of family business, and here I come to break things up.

Anyway, it depends on your real objective.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 5:57 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:57:53 -0400

Must have been a massive wide problem of nasty barracks to warrant daily checks.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Jun 20 at 2015 6:11 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 18:11:32 -0400

We used to maintain a Duty NCO, and the Staff Duty would to a "walk through" as part of his post tour.

Should every room be checked every day? Hell no. People need to be able to unwind.

Should there be a "presence" in case there is an issue? Definitely. It's government property, and military has a vested interest in its upkeep and well being.

As for how often, during the week the barracks will "naturally" be patrolled by the NCO Corps as a matter of course, with the Staff Duty checking in once in the evening, near Taps.

During the weekend, an additional couple check ins mid-morning and mid-afternoon just as a sweep to ensure general safety and well being.

Now room checks are done as part of Field Day inspections, or scheduled visits, or if people have their doors open "just say hi" but keep it casual, as opposed to an inspection regiment. It's amazing what will naturally get fixed when you just maintain a presence.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 6:46 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 18:46:53 -0400

I still accept it being CQ's responsibility to kerp tabs on what is going on. Unless shit gets out of hands, as it at times does.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jun 20 at 2015 8:19 PM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 20:19:17 -0400

NCOs should walk through the barracks at odd times to make sure that there is nothing going on that should not be. I don't think that a room inspection is a good thing, nor should the NCO go through beating on doors to get that one guy who never goes anyplace to clean the latrine because he ends up cleaning it every Saturday because he is easy to find. I think that there needs to be a roster of individuals who live in the barracks to clean common areas, but I was never a fan of the "Hey You" detail.
NCOs should ESPECIALLY walk through the barracks on HOLIDAY Weekends. This informal walk through can be all the NCO needs to get an open door to find out problems and concerns of his Soldiers.
If an NCO demonstrates that he is concerned about and cares what happens to his troopers, then they respond in kind.

Response by SPC Ryan D. made Jun 20 at 2015 9:25 PM

SPC Ryan D. — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:25:38 -0400

So all in favor of these inspections, with the justification that its young soldiers who would not take care of or neglect the barracks, do you believe we should inspect the housing for married soldiers for the exact same reasons? I bet you don't, because this would impact you directly.

What about those older 'new' soldiers that are in their 30's but still live in the barracks due to regulations?

While I don't disagree with the need to check on the facilities periodically, I believe there is a double standard in living that isolates single soldiers and only fosters contempt towards leadership.

If married soldiers quarters were to be inspected in the same manner, I bet those currently in favor, would have a much different opinion on the matter.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 9:43 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:43:53 -0400

I remember as young SGT back in 2001, it was our Battalion CSM's policy that all squad leaders had to physically check their Soldiers rooms everyday prior to PT formations. PLT SGT's had to go through the rooms twice a week and of course the 1SG could check whenever he wanted to, the frequency didn't matter.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jun 20 at 2015 9:52 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:52:19 -0400

I think daily would be a bit rough, soldiers, marines, etc.. are entrusted with deadly weapons and the lives of others, they can be trusted to keep a room clean for a weekly inspection. daily just seems excessive. the barracks at the command i was at was 97% ncos and above, it was odd.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 11:08 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 23:08:10 -0400

Why daily MSG Private RallyPoint Member? Does this mean that the soldier must wait around all day until the inspecting party arrives to check the room, or will the inspection take place even if the soldier is not in their room?

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jun 21 at 2015 12:36 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 00:36:14 -0400

MSG Private RallyPoint Member I am out of the game, but I can say back in the day, this was expected, for all leaders. The time and technique is up to you. I would recommend a variety of times. I see no need (unless directed) to check rooms, unless something peaks your interest. I think just wandering through at random times will help you have a better idea what is really going on, and will also demonstrate you give a shit. I think this all goes back to the comments several years ago, in the Army Red Book and Yellow Book, about the loss of Garrison Leadership.

In my day (1980 - 2013) leaders checked the barracks after hours and weekends. In several places I was assigned we also ventured check the living conditions of married Soldiers. Many places I was assigned, I wandered through the barracks periodically, and if I saw Soldiers I would greet them and chat if they wanted. But, as CSM Michael J. Uhlig stated I always tried to keep my visits low key.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 1:56 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 01:56:31 -0400

Checking on soldiers living quarters is part of what leaders need to be doing daily, this is a simple way of identifying if a soldier is having any kind of substance abuse problems and simply looking after government quarters ensuring that there space is up to standard.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jun 21 at 2015 3:05 AM

PO1 John Miller — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 03:05:38 -0400

I remember once as a Second Class having my barracks room inspected by two First Classes. First PO1 opens the drawer to my night stand and finds my box of condoms. He asked me "What do you have condoms in your barracks room for?"

I'm more than a little bit of a smart ass so I replied "Because I don't want my girlfriend to get pregnant while we're f**king."

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 3:26 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 03:26:12 -0400

The first & second line leaders should know there troops enough to tackle this issue. For some, yes, daily inspections could be over kill. For others, it may not be enough. There's discipline, cleanliness, livelihood issues that all barracks dwellers face. Some are independent, some have never been outside of mommy's home before. It comes down to NCOs knowing their troops and developing them into adults. But when patterns develop, that's when command policies are put in place.

For me, some folks get checked regularly. Some less often. There's always the 'surprise' inspections too. I do my best to give ample personal space - sometimes it's just necessary to police up the masses though.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jun 21 at 2015 3:56 AM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 03:56:45 -0400

I can walk through the barracks. I will knock on some doors. If they are there inside their rooms, maybe they will answer their doors. If they are not home, that's okay too. I am not doing this by myself though nor am I doing it every single day. As leaders we should know how the problem SMs are. I am not going to hound someone unless they need it.

Response by SSG Daniel Deiler made Jun 21 at 2015 5:19 AM

SSG Daniel Deiler — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 05:19:45 -0400

I completely disagree with doing these daily. Periodically yes. Sure as heck not daily. These Soldiers are adults, not children. The more we treat them like children the more they will ACT as children.

Secondly, remind me what the purpose of CQ and Staff Duty is then? They are already doing barracks checks. Now you're going to impede and alter a leaders weekend just to see if a Soldiers is living right? Seriously?!? Not everyone lives close to post. I know NCOs who live over an hour away. Now they're mandating that they make a daily road trip to check up on cleanliness and adherence to policy and regulation when the designated CQ and Staff Duty personnel are already charged with that duty? Talk about stupid.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 8:33 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:33:11 -0400

No, I understand we are Soldiers 24/7 but when do we allow Soldiers to be humans and Free American People. Why do we ask them to go fight for the same freedom in which we take from them. Is anybody checking the SMA's house on the weekends? No, when is the last time he had a Vehicle inspection I thought as NCO we will never ask a Soldier to do something we won't do ourselves, when did the NCO Corps become do as I say and not as I do

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jun 21 at 2015 9:05 AM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 09:05:16 -0400

Nowadays the barracks walk through consist of checking if SMs secure their doors. You always take the staff duty and the CQ with you on this. If you find an unsecure room, do not enter, and announce yourself outside the room. I explain to SM that securing the doors reduces theft and assaults of varying degrees.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 10:07 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:07:23 -0400

Considering the fact that USAEUR is a possible future war zone, daily barracks inspections and security checks are not too intrusive. The Non-Commissioned Officer leadership chain should be trusted to establish inspection schedules and to conduct detailed room inspections. As a company executive officer in CONUS, I would usually inspect the charge of quarters desk first and review his or her charge of quarters log for significant events. I would then proceed to walk through each floor of the barracks, with the charge of quarters, placing special emphasis upon common user area cleanliness, functionality of fire safety equipment, the applicability of company standard operating procedure postings, and the security of entrance-ways and exits. I would then lecture the charge of quarters reference my findings and reiterate company standard operating procedures reference health and welfare of soldiers residing in the barracks. I would then instruct the charge of quarters on the utilization of the charge of quarters runner and reiterate company policy that one of the two must be present at the C.Q. desk at all times. I would then make an entry in the C.Q. log for the company commander reference significant findings.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Jun 21 at 2015 11:12 AM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 11:12:19 -0400

I was a Specialist 4, and a Squad Leader; and I felt that the weekends belonged to my Squad members. I did not inspect my Squad members rooms, the latrine or the hallway on weekends.

Response by SPC Todd Hanson made Jun 21 at 2015 12:02 PM

SPC Todd Hanson — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 12:02:29 -0400

I feel like a policy like this would push soldiers to get in contract marriages and move off post. Giving that off post thier quarters are not inspected. I believe the barracks should be inspected at max twice a week 1st Monday morning and Friday after COB.

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Jun 21 at 2015 4:39 PM

SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 16:39:47 -0400

Yes, at least it will coincide with the Slogan. " Army Strong, needed for the health/welfare of the Soldier.

Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Jun 21 at 2015 5:41 PM

PO1 Rick Serviss — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 17:41:05 -0400

Weekends are fine but like CSM Uhlig said, it should be announced ahead of time and in early evenings. It would be intrusive to enter a soldiers room unless you are in boot camp. I recommend only inspecting the common/shared areas like a lounge or kitchen. During the week day, living quarters are fair game.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jun 22 at 2015 4:34 AM

PO1 John Miller — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 04:34:27 -0400

No. Soldiers/Sailors/Marines/Airmen are people too and need time to unwind.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 12:24 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:24:58 -0400

Staff Duty/CQ anyone? They prevent shenanigans and the like from going on.

Soldiers should have the time to blow off steam and let their hair down. Sure go check on them throughout the week to make sure they are generally living fine but unless your troop is high-risk then you should give them as much space as you can.

I was perturbed by this sort of thing when I first came in. Probably because I was 22 and already got the college mentality out of my system.
I was still perturbed by this sort of thing when I was a Platoon Sergeant and also had to do Courtesy Patrol. Babysitting was not my thing and was glad that I went the path I chose.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 12:25 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:25:08 -0400

SFC,

This does seem excessive and as the MSGT had alluded to earlier, there appears to be underlying issues that are not being stated. I can not see this contributing to anything besides lowering troop morale.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Jun 22 at 2015 6:30 PM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 18:30:41 -0400

Back in the day Saturday morning was all about inspecting the barracks. Foot lockers and wall lockers had to be just so. That is where we displayed our tooth powder, shaving brushes, underwear rolled on cans, etc. Never did figure out how to have the seats on the heads pop up though. lol

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Jun 22 at 2015 8:03 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 20:03:35 -0400

Long ago in an Army far, far away from today's, we had our rooms inspected every workday by the 1SG and the PSGs and if the rooms were not IAW the posted SOP, guess what you got to do that evening? Not to mention our alarm clock being the first-line NCOs knocking on our doors every morning before first formation to wake us, get us up for pt and to clean the hallways of the barracks. By the early-mid 90's with the "Single Soldier Initiative" and the emphasis placed on the BOSS Program, the Army as a whole, got away from daily room inspections and even did away with CQ duty altogether. NCOs had to basically inform the Soldiers that they would be doing a walk-thru on such and such day at such and such time. There was no longer an SOP as far as how a room had to be set-up, hell you even got to have "civilian" bedding for your bed, no more scratchy, green wool blankets!! But, while this was nice for the Soldier, far too many took advantage of this and barracks became shitholes for lack of a better term. Doing a once a week walk-thru of the common area of the barracks to check on cleanliness doesn't seem like too much to impose upon the Soldiers in the barracks, they are still government facilities that must be maintained and looked after. As for those married Soldiers, while on-base housing used to be government controlled and you could feasibly check-up on them, this was usually handled by the housing area/zone coordinators who were responsible for keeping an eye on things, at least the outside of quarters; this is no longer the case as all on-post housing is owned by contractors and the same oversight is no longer there. Off-post housing was always tricky, I usually made a social trip when I had a newly assigned married Soldier or a newly married one, just to check things out to ensure that they weren't living in a place that was condemned or close to it. As far as an inspection of married Soldiers quarters, unless a concern was raised by the unit or by the landlord or some protective services, this was pretty much a no-go, as the Soldiers do not have to let you come inside if they do not want to.

Now having said a great deal of nothing but mainly memories of my time in service lol, a weekend walk-thru for general cleanliness of the barracks themselves is not too intrusive, but as far as inspecting rooms, meh, let the knuckleheads/knuckleheadettes be!!

Response by CW4 Pam Collins made Jun 22 at 2015 9:19 PM

CW4 Pam Collins — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 21:19:40 -0400

Daily? Wow, that seems a bit excessive. I joined the Army in 1982 and lived in the barracks for several years. We didn't have daily inspections but we certainly had surprise inspections. And yes, sometimes they were on the weekend.

Response by SFC Stef T made Jun 22 at 2015 11:34 PM

SFC Stef T — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 23:34:07 -0400

On a random basis and have no set schedule. When you conduct a random courtesy visit the soldier may not always be present so conduct another on on another day. You are not doing inspections but courtesy visits to check on the soldier for his/her health, welfare, and general responsibilities (doing the right thing). Remember they are soldiers and need down time as well and not feel they still live at home with mom and dad. On the other hand your trouble soldiers may need more attention until they come around to doing the right thing all the time not just sometimes. Be professional about this at all times!!

Response by SP6 Joe Dinkel made Jun 23 at 2015 5:37 AM

SP6 Joe Dinkel — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 05:37:33 -0400

of course they should first of all is not invasion of privacy they're in the military regardless of what liberals of told us its not private we live to a different standard than liberal politicians and liberal civilians our job is NCOs is to make sure soldiers are fit for battle at any given time that also means morally and what's going on around them so yes you inspector barracks room if they are sloppy individual chances are they're going to be sloppy with everything else its up to the NCO to maintain discipline the barracks do not belong to the soldiers they belong to the military and it's up to the NCOs to make sure that military space is being taken care of properly just like any other piece of equipment when we do a TA 50 layout or anything else

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2015 10:30 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 10:30:23 -0400

Of Coures, you are a sSoldier 24 hours a day 7 days a week

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2015 11:45 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:45:45 -0400

I say no but I do like CSM Michael J. Uhlig take on this matter. A presence but not room inspections. That is after-all their home. Our commander told our dorm leaders that he would do the inspections.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2015 3:59 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:59:28 -0400

Only being a Cpl I have had to do this a few times and I only know the bottom rung of info on it. but the need for weekend inspections is really unnecessary it stops the marines from being able to de-stress over the weekend. Which leads to more problems within the unit than what the inspections are trying to accomplish. As a leader I don't agree with it at all. but if it must be done it should be at a time that is agreed on by both the NCO's and the junior service members, (especially for the E-1 and E-2's since they are the most at risk for being overstressed and falling into bad behaviors). also it doesn't need to be their team leader/Squad leader, anyone who is at the barracks should be able to do this inspection. the best option would be the duty NCO, or have it on rotation for the squad's team leaders as to not overwork every piece of leadership in the unit. and the inspection should really just be a walk through because there is no need to have an immaculate room every hour of every day, as long as there is no beer bottles out and dirty clothes all over the floor, and ask how the service member is doing to check for any red flags. At the end of this I will say this, we signed up to fight for our country not to be treated like children.

Response by SPC William Weedman made Aug 27 at 2015 11:33 PM

SPC William Weedman — Thu, 27 Aug 2015 23:33:07 -0400

I had a joke among my friends in Korea, that on the weekends we were the "kings of slobovia" our beds were unmade, clothes on the floor, and our rooms were cluttered. But by 2200 on Sunday night the only gig was an unmade bed as we were climbing into it. In Texas we had weekly room inspections by our 1SG and squad leaders during the duty day. Other than a couple small gigs there was never an issue. On the weekends though were a different story. Most of my time I had a room to myself. We would drop the extra mattresses on the floor, order pizza and watch movies until we all pretty much fell asleep. It was a coed group and everyone's clothes stayed on. I'm sure if the SDNCO or my platoon sergeant had decided to wake me up early on Saturday or Sunday, there probably would have been questions that the answers would not have been believed. But again by Sunday night, my room was more or less inspection ready. I suppose I could sum it up this way, during the week I slept in my room, on the weekends I lived there, but I was not a "barracks rat."

Response by SPC Alexander Brandt made Dec 6 at 2015 2:42 PM

SPC Alexander Brandt — Sun, 06 Dec 2015 14:42:26 -0500

NCOs are more than welcome to walk through during the weekends.

Just don't expect me to be there.

Response by Maj John Bell made Feb 29 at 2016 7:23 PM

Maj John Bell — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 19:23:57 -0500

As a company grade officer, if I had a legitimate reason that required me to come into garrison after hours or on a weekend, I did a walk about in the common spaces. I also felt that any loud ruckus/music that could be heard two doors down was an open invitation for me to knock on the door and see what was going on.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Aug 29 at 2016 4:49 PM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:49:20 -0400

yes

Response by SFC Jim Farr made Jun 25 at 2017 4:09 PM

SFC Jim Farr — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:09:34 -0400

FLOOR DUTY... BUFFER RODEO'S

Response by PFC John Hopping made Jun 25 at 2017 4:47 PM

PFC John Hopping — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:47:06 -0400

During my entire 18 month overseas tour my unit conducted a total of 2 IG level formal barracks/ troop inspections. That was it. The only time our NCOs were present was when the platoon was on duty/training rotation. Once we were dismissed from formation we never saw our squad leaders or platoon leaders till next formation. I saw our LT twice during that time. The only NCO presence was the single E5s that lived in the barracks and the lived "off the clock"

Response by SPC John Decker made Jun 25 at 2017 5:07 PM

SPC John Decker — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:07:37 -0400

In a non=deployed unit inspections should be during the week On an irregular basis. Once out of basic training, and assuming the training was up to snuff, our troops should know what is expected of them.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Jun 25 at 2017 5:17 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:17:40 -0400

What is old, becomes new again.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2017 5:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:32:52 -0400

If there are barracks inspections daily, there is a reason for it. Daily barracks inspections just don't happen just because. Cause & effect........... Just to make sure Soldiers are living right and not in a pig sty is not intrusive. Now digging through a Soldier's underwear drawer is intrusive......... I think a good time is 0900......... I also think they should check married Soldier's houses regardless if they live on/off base. Hold everyone feet to the fire. As military, we tend to forget whether we reside in the barracks or on/off base housing, the military pay your rent, which means you are subject to inspection of your living quarters.......

Response by LTC Russ Smith made Jun 25 at 2017 6:29 PM

LTC Russ Smith — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:29:48 -0400

This is assinine. The commandeer allowing this should be relieved for cause - command climate. Leave the troops alone during their time off. My god.

Response by PFC Shawn West made Jun 25 at 2017 6:30 PM

PFC Shawn West — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:30:51 -0400

During my time at Fort Stewart, I think we had a barracks check twice. And each time, the NCO came in and just BS'd with us. Then again, he was in the exact same unit, so, we knew him. I don't remember the exact rules on alcohol but not more than 1 handle of liquor or 12 pack of beer per occupant. We always had more but no one seemed to care.

Response by SGT Steve Hines-Saich B.S. M.S. Cybersecurity made Jun 25 at 2017 8:30 PM

SGT Steve Hines-Saich B.S. M.S. Cybersecurity — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:30:07 -0400

I used to do random walk throughs to ensure my soldiers were doing alright...I also used under the oak tree couseling...also known as informal conversations to get to know my team. I was the command better opportunities for single soldiers rep so all defecenfies I found that affected the health,welfare, and moral were briefed to to the 13th SCE CSM and all CSM and 1SGs in our footprint. I also worked with the commands family readiness groups so that I offered a complete brief to the CSM. We had a pretty good system. If I was checking the barrack I also made time to drive to my married soldiers homes. I had a 1SG that would check on me and others in his company one day out of tbe weekend. It showed me he cared when I was stationed in Korea my plantain sergeant did the same thing. He would walk through the barracks and hard we frequently making sure we were alright...that platoon also put the fear of God in us...didn't want to cross him.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2017 10:07 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:07:13 -0400

Perhaps a walk through of the common areas to ensure no one is getting drunk and trashing the place but beyond that, NO !

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2017 10:47 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:47:07 -0400

As a young soldier who lived in the barracks, yes i do think it is too intrusive. Whats the point? A E4, or even a SGT has to be checked on everyday to make sure he doesnt leave a t shirt on the ground? This is just some CSM or O-6+'s idea to higher because of incidents.

Response by SSgt Bob Mobbs made Jun 26 at 2017 12:18 AM

SSgt Bob Mobbs — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 00:18:14 -0400

Maybe it was just the AF mentality, or the time - early to mid 70's - but I don't recall barracks inspections more than a couple times a month. The only unit I was in that ever had weekend inspections was the 15th AF Leadership School.

Response by SSgt Dale Wysinger made Jun 26 at 2017 8:07 AM

SSgt Dale Wysinger — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:07:09 -0400

I will agree that, in the beginning, daily checks may be necessary. However, as time, and training, progresses, inspection frequency should decrease. If you are training your barracks leadership properly, then trust and depend on them. In the end, once per month should be sufficient.

Response by Sgt Joseph Baker made Jun 26 at 2017 10:21 AM

Sgt Joseph Baker — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 10:21:00 -0400

Inspection? No. That feels alot like punishment for not going off post. Check on troops informally? You bet.

Response by LCpl James Schleich made Jun 26 at 2017 12:27 PM

LCpl James Schleich — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:27:49 -0400

Have things changed, When I was in it was the OOD's job to make rounds through the barracks at least daily.

Response by SPC David Willis made Dec 4 at 2017 9:17 AM

SPC David Willis — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 09:17:44 -0500

Just absurd, what's the point of inspecting them on the weekends? Cleanliness? Do we expect soldiers to live like their in a museum on Saturdays and Sundays now was well? Do we expect them not to drink and act like 18-22 year olds? I would love to know what retention numbers look like in that unit.

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Dec 4 at 2017 11:26 AM

PVT Mark Brown — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 11:26:45 -0500

I think that one of the things I liked about Korea was no inspections, at least in the unit I was in. I was there 27 months and we had on IG inspection but nothing else. Had only one formation in the same 27 months.

Response by SSG Jess Peters made May 1 at 2018 9:00 PM

SSG Jess Peters — Tue, 01 May 2018 21:00:03 -0400

I would on occasion check in the barracks on weekends. Not so much as an inspection but just to chat with anyone that felt like talking. Sometimes young soldiers needed someone to talk to.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2018 2:07 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 May 2018 14:07:33 -0400

I may be a little old school but this was specifically banned some time back. The inception if the BOSS program was to provide the same rights in the barracks as those living in housing or off post apartments. Health and welfare or barracks maintenance inspections are fine but these should be scheduled and announced in advance.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made May 6 at 2018 2:15 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sun, 06 May 2018 14:15:27 -0400

No, We are responsible for our troops 24/7, till they or us get out, PCS. On weekends, myself or my subordinate NCO's would take a tour of the billets - check on maintenance, trash, and the troops. No white gloves, nothing formal- walk in walk around, talk to the troops, and probably have some of them dump the trash, tidy up the latrine, then go home.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2018 3:28 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:28:29 -0400

I imagine this is just a new command policy that will go away soon enough. Second, legally chain of command cannot enter the homes of soldiers with families without reasonable cause because the dependents are not under UCMJ jurisdiction. Hate on it all you want, but thats the reality. You raised your hand...but your spouse didnt.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Jul 12 at 2018 3:55 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:55:32 -0400

Hmmm - Welcome to My Army.
Would anyone know why Barracks Inspections have started again.
What is the rational behind bringing them back?

Response by Sgt Van Livingston made Jul 12 at 2018 6:14 PM

Sgt Van Livingston — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:14:59 -0400

I'll never forget the Saturday morning when I was awoken by Top wanting to know who it was in bed with me. It was a female soldier from our company. Top was cool with it and just told me not to do it again. Point is, this isn't new, it just isn't something that is used much. Top coming through that Saturday morning was the only time it happened. However we did daily inspections on the cooks barracks when it was brought to our attention that they had refrigerators in the rooms that were filled with rotting food, the rooms were nasty and they had dirty clothes everywhere. So we went in early Saturday morning and had a GI party. Then kept a close eye. Knowing how the Army thinks, someone was probably caught doing something wrong and everyone is being punished.

Response by TSgt Robert Weisenberger made Jul 12 at 2018 6:22 PM

TSgt Robert Weisenberger — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:22:28 -0400

Why would you do daily barracks inspections if you need to ensure living conditions are maintained you can do no notice inspections monthly. If indications warrant you could up inspection rate as needed for safety and cleanliness issues if it gets real bad you could put a CQ in charge. Daily inspections would hurt moral. That does not mean a NCO should not drop in on his troops every now and again but daily is not showing concern for your troops it's being a jerk drunk with power and a clear demonstration that you suck as a leader. If however there are barracks issues that is where NJP and GI parties come in handy. Couple weekends lost to a full on GI party and the occupants will learn to maintain order and standards on their own

Response by MSgt Stephen Council made Jul 12 at 2018 6:39 PM

MSgt Stephen Council — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:39:12 -0400

Nope. Let the junior enlisted have some room and time to themselves. They will respect you for it.

Response by PO2 Patrick Aquia made Jul 12 at 2018 7:02 PM

PO2 Patrick Aquia — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:02:23 -0400

We I made E4 I had to live in the Barracks as there was no housing provide for single Coasties at that base. But it still has the best base house for married CG in the entire CG. Inspection was every Friday morning. As I had a 2 day on 2 day off schedule , every other weekend duty. Even if I was off on the inspection day ,I had to stand it. Stupidity.

When I was an E2 on a ship I broke my leg. As the ship was going on patrol I had to move to the barracks. I was put into a room with a fellow sailor that broke his leg and every Friday we would stand inspection and always fail because we didnt wax the floor. I mean really . The inspecting fool would actually look us in the eye and fail us for not waxing and buffing. After the 4th fail I talked to me temporary chief about it and the floor waxing fails stopped. I was so happy to get back on my 51 year old ship USCGC Taney after than.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2018 7:04 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:04:49 -0400

You absolutely have the responsibility to check those rooms. Now I have also conducted checks on base quarters from time to time. That isn’t your personal space. If daily inspections are being held then there is an issue going on in the Command. Last but not least it was directed from HHQ so at the end of the day as a Leader we carry out the inspection as ordered.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2018 7:25 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:25:04 -0400

Just left Italy after 3 years in the barracks. I can tell you as a single 29 year old our unit had a policy that leadership should check in every so often. We did room inspections on Monday or pay day activities. The other times were just face to face “Hey what’s up? How you doing?” At the end of the day I gave responsible soldiers there privacy. The habitual offenders you council and give some extra attention. Going through everyday white glove in high uptempo units should be temporary to set the bar but long term can destroy moral in my experience. To answer the question: Team Leaders should just go by see how soldiers are doing and if they need anything. Squad Leader on Monday mornings inspection after a weekend. PSG and above at their discretion.

Response by CPL Michael Slack made Jul 12 at 2018 7:31 PM

CPL Michael Slack — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:31:46 -0400

I know my rank says CPL, but I was also in the AF. I lived in the barracks for a couple months and we had NCO's walk around every so often on the weekends. Once I starting living off base maybe once a month my NCO would come around and talk for a little while make sure everything was alright. Once I went into the Army I was married and never had to stay in the barracks but even as just an older person I would check in on the younger guys in my sections every so often to help keep the NCO's off their backs. Once I became a CPL they knew I would be there every monday morning to do a walk through on the whole platoon other NCO's would ask me to do it for them. I had no problems with anyone of them. Had to go to a married soldiers house with another NCO because for some reason this dude never had food money for himself or his family. Looking at him and what he drove to work we thought maybe it was drugs or something. Found out when we went to the house that his wife was driving a brand new Cadillac SUV so we let him know what was going to happen if he couldn't pay his bills and two months later he was chartered for failure to adapt. Only problem we had with a soldier that I remember.

Response by MSgt Edward Hayes made Jul 12 at 2018 8:28 PM

MSgt Edward Hayes — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 20:28:15 -0400

At Lindsey AS in Germany, the AF liked to pull 1 am fire drills just to empty the building and run the drug dogs through. What a sight, all the guys and their German girls wrapped in bedding standing in the parking lot.

Response by PO1 Michael Hyland made Jul 12 at 2018 8:56 PM

PO1 Michael Hyland — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 20:56:45 -0400

Too much, troops need down time.

Response by PFC Randy Harrington made Jul 12 at 2018 10:05 PM

PFC Randy Harrington — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:05:39 -0400

Barrack inspections aren’t a problem when done correctly.a simple walk through and how are you doing and do you need anything while being observant should surfice on most days

Response by SSG Harry Jr. Peters made Jul 12 at 2018 10:33 PM

SSG Harry Jr. Peters — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:33:54 -0400

If daily inspections are needed you have big issues on your hands , if is required that NCOs check on troops on the weekend there are issues in the unit that seriously need to be addressed, the CQ should be going through the barracks periodically on the weekends as part of there duties , so really don’t see a reason for daily inspections

Response by Sgt Roy Hale made Jul 12 at 2018 11:32 PM

Sgt Roy Hale — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 23:32:01 -0400

At least while I was in we had a duty NCO going through the barracks on weekends. Your a Marine 7 days a week, things just don’t go to shit just because it is a weekend.

Response by Sgt Roy Hale made Jul 12 at 2018 11:37 PM

Sgt Roy Hale — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 23:37:41 -0400

Specialist, you don’t go in what I see is the Army, and decide everyone needs to be treated the same and given the same perks. Obviously your Recruiter lied to you about Military life. Put your time in, get out and ask the world to treat you equally, tell your boss, you deserve what he has.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2018 7:49 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 07:49:42 -0400

There's an amazing concept out there that really, really works... it's called, if you treat people like adults, they'll act like adults. Again, some good mentorship up front would prevent most of your problems. People have forgotten that the team(s) we lead are made up of individuals, and we are leading and developing individuals. You'll get a lot further a lot faster by treating each individual according to their merits rather than pooping out a blanket policy for everyone that you think works, but really doesn't, and causes hate and discontent.

It's truly shocking as to how many senior NCO's and officers truly do not have a clue as to what a leader and mentor really is these days.

Response by SP5 Jim Barlow made Jul 13 at 2018 8:49 AM

SP5 Jim Barlow — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 08:49:58 -0400

There must be something going on that makes the higher ups feel that they need to do this.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Jul 13 at 2018 9:28 AM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 09:28:56 -0400

YES! Barracks should be inspected on the weekends.

Response by SGM Robert King made Jul 13 at 2018 9:29 AM

SGM Robert King — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 09:29:33 -0400

Something has to be wrong for daily inspections. There is way more to the story that isn’t being told.

Response by SSG William Hubbard made Jul 13 at 2018 10:15 AM

SSG William Hubbard — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:15:11 -0400

No. Down time is as important to moral as training to do a job

Response by SFC John Diane Loyal made Jul 13 at 2018 10:30 AM

SFC John Diane Loyal — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:30:19 -0400

Whatever happened to the CQ

Response by SFC Edwbl Edwbl made Jul 13 at 2018 11:09 AM

SFC Edwbl Edwbl — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:09:42 -0400

It would depend on the reason for instituting that policy.

Response by SFC Edwbl Edwbl made Jul 13 at 2018 11:14 AM

SFC Edwbl Edwbl — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:14:33 -0400

It would depend on the reason for that policy.

Response by LTC Michael Garrison made Jul 13 at 2018 11:53 AM

LTC Michael Garrison — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:53:06 -0400

As a commander I checked the duty log for issues daily but did not visit the barracks that often. I had pool tables brought in and a better television. Getting into better quarters was a good incentive for promotion.

Response by 1SG Michael Yager made Jul 13 at 2018 1:05 PM

1SG Michael Yager — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 13:05:55 -0400

The idea behind this is to provid leadership presences in the barracks and let the young Soldiers know that someone is concerned about their welfare. Amytime you take someone outside their comfort zone (read the culture shock from home to a foreign land where they can’t speak the language) people get depressed and do dumb things. The married Soldiers have a family to assist them with coping but the single Soldiers do not have anyone. Engaged leadership helps and works. Remember, however, you are making these visits as a leader, not a over bearing boss.

Response by MSgt John Cusolito6 made Jul 13 at 2018 1:41 PM

MSgt John Cusolito6 — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 13:41:38 -0400

It's the military, stop whining and suck it up.

Response by LTC Loyd G. made Jul 13 at 2018 2:08 PM

LTC Loyd G. — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:08:25 -0400

I agree with CSM Uhlig, check the common areas for general cleanliness and neatness.

Married soldier quarters , on and off post are different in that you have family members living there, they have rights to their privacy. That being said, I expected immediate supervisors to know where their subordinates lived and know whether the troop was keeping a generally accepted cleanliness and order to their quarters. Officers in my unit, both junior and superior, were invited to my residence. Now those occasions were social in nature, but there still was a check being conducted as to the state of living conditions.

Response by SFC Tereasa Menke made Jul 13 at 2018 2:16 PM

SFC Tereasa Menke — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:16:11 -0400

I totally agree having leadership “ nearby” on weekends it can do things like checking on the real property (washers/dryers/heat/air conditioning) so soldiers responsible for fixing other than dpw issues!!

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made Jul 13 at 2018 3:39 PM

MSG Danny Mathers — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 15:39:59 -0400

Yes I did when I was stationed in USAEUR. Also, I checked rations cards of all my men and would visit my married Soldiers at their quarters. The purpose is to see how your troop live when not supervised. I would check barracks onece a month on random days Saturday or Sundays. Married Soldiers was once or twice depending on how their families were supported. I once had a sergent that had a ration card that was full of liquor punches. I paid him a visit and his kids had no shoes and his wife wore a field jacket as a coat. The next Monday, I ripped his ass at a formal counseling session. Rations cards were good indicators of unauthorized behavior. Why would a private have a mxed out ration card on coffee? Young troops will do what they can get away with. The army has rules and an NCO should check his troops on the weekends to include to make appointments to vist the off base troops.

Response by PO3 Dennis Workman made Jul 13 at 2018 5:10 PM

PO3 Dennis Workman — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:10:55 -0400

You build quality in, not inspect it in.

Response by SFC Michael Barry made Jul 13 at 2018 6:30 PM

SFC Michael Barry — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:30:18 -0400

Health and welfare checks on both single and married soldiers should be conducted by leadership periodically. It’s called taking care of soldiers and ensuring a disciplined fighting force.

Response by SFC Mark Lathan made Jul 13 at 2018 7:13 PM

SFC Mark Lathan — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:13:43 -0400

I would say there is an underlying problem that needs to be addressed. Without knowing what this is, it’s hard to armchair this one.

Response by SPC Kenny Hudson made Jul 13 at 2018 7:16 PM

SPC Kenny Hudson — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:16:10 -0400

Weekend barracks inspection WTF
CQ did that on common areas when I was in late 80's fuck that

Response by Cpl Kevin W. made Jul 13 at 2018 7:20 PM

Cpl Kevin W. — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:20:01 -0400

In the lance and below have to be there for room inspections its just going to pisses them off. Who wants to have there weekends interupted with a room inspection if they have to be present? Who wants some one going through their personal effects if they dont have to be there? Who wants to be told they have to field day on the weekend just because whoever is inspecting is in a shitty ass mood and wants to nitpick about something really stupid?

Response by MSG Robert Wise made Jul 13 at 2018 7:21 PM

MSG Robert Wise — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:21:11 -0400

The primary mission of an NCO is the take care of their people. Health and welfare iis part of the process of maintaining or improving morale. To answer the young PFCs remarks, this also pertains to those that live outside the barracks.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2018 8:56 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 20:56:20 -0400

The standard is REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY for soldiers. You’d have to be mental to think that’s a reasonable imposition on their privacy. Fuck what rank you are, that isn’t right.

Response by SPC Daniel Raschi made Jul 13 at 2018 9:13 PM

SPC Daniel Raschi — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 21:13:28 -0400

I think daily checks is absolutely ridiculous. I agree Msgt Holt that there may be more going on here. Now if the soldiers have continually left the barracks a disgrace then I get it, however, if it’s just a new policy by some gun ho commander than I think that commander is an idiot. If your doing it like that, you should do daily checks on all soldiers including those not in the barracks.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jul 13 at 2018 9:14 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 21:14:12 -0400

If they gotta go through.. make it a walk through .. not a big nit-noy.. tit for tat dinky-dink look in every corner dust bunny inspection... 1SGTs got better fu. Things to do than going and bothering the troops...

Response by SSG Al V made Jul 13 at 2018 10:10 PM

SSG Al V — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 22:10:44 -0400

I have been in units that do this. They were usually the units with the lowest moral and cohesion. Usually there was an officer or senior NCO with more care for their NCOER/OER than care for their soldiers at the root of it. There is such a thing as too much discipline.

Response by LCpl Jeff Moore made Jul 13 at 2018 10:17 PM

LCpl Jeff Moore — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 22:17:11 -0400

makes me wonder who f up, to cause this. when i was in we only had inspection thrusday night by staff nco before being turned loose.

i really think something happen to cause the command to really clamp down hard

Response by 1SG Rick Posey made Jul 13 at 2018 10:21 PM

1SG Rick Posey — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 22:21:51 -0400

Hell yes. Somebody don't have enough to do.
Rick Posey
MSG/E8, US Army Retired
US Army 86-03
USAF, 635TH Security Police
72-75

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2018 10:32 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 22:32:38 -0400

I don’t know if anyone here has been in Lemoore, but the way it’s done here isn’t too bad or disruptive.

Every Wednesday the BPO inspects in the morning or afternoon of day sleeper. If you pass via the set criteria then you’re good. If you don’t the your LPO had to reinspect either the following day or Saturday early in the morning in your dress whites.
It’s not too bad and a fairly quick process if you aren’t being a messy kid. I believe this applies to GEO bachelors as well not sure.

Response by SSG John Jennett made Jul 14 at 2018 12:36 AM

SSG John Jennett — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 00:36:43 -0400

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the CQ and SDNCO supposed to do checks on the barracks during non duty hours? I don't understand the need for weekend I spections.

Response by SSG Kyle Woodrow made Jul 14 at 2018 1:25 AM

SSG Kyle Woodrow — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 01:25:12 -0400

When I was in this was a daily occurrence. Squad leaders were to check their soldiers rooms every day. Not white glove inspection but just a quick check. Spot issues and correct then before they became problems. But I suppose that was a different Army

Response by LCpl Aaron Freeman made Jul 14 at 2018 1:34 AM

LCpl Aaron Freeman — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 01:34:18 -0400

No... they need to give nonrates a break!

Response by SPC Kyle Williams made Jul 14 at 2018 2:41 AM

SPC Kyle Williams — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 02:41:24 -0400

NCO's in my old unit were asshats. They were. NCO rejects. Most shoulda never been given e5. Anyway i had a nco stop by my chu in iraq at 200am to do a inspection. I straight up told him no. It was 200 am after all, no reason for this bull. He got my platoon sergeant. He proceeded to chew out this e5 for doing a room inspection at that time and for waking him up. He told me to go back to bed. Lol

Response by 1SG Rob Smith made Jul 14 at 2018 3:56 AM

1SG Rob Smith — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 03:56:47 -0400

Traditionally, the reason for barracks inspection were to maintan a standard of living. These are the homes of Soldiers. But as a 1SG its your house. Go in and check on the welfare of the your Soldiers, set the standard for junior leaders to do the same. Since 9-11 more and more troops have come to realize their privacy went away with multiple deployments. Creature comforts went away. So the visibility of or troops lived was exposed. Hold their feet to the fire. The Army is not a college campus and barracks are not frat houses. Personalize your space but dont overdo it. And leaders use peer pressure. Its very effective and doesnt take alot of effort.

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Jul 14 at 2018 7:00 AM

Lt Col Charlie Brown — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 07:00:28 -0400

I tried to respect privacy while maintaing health and safety. If I had to inspect daily it would be a check in with attention, if needed focused on common areas. Scheduled dorm inspesctions once a month, unless there was a need for weekly. Clean, serviceable. This isn't boot camp

Response by CSM Arthur Langlo Sr. made Jul 14 at 2018 8:10 AM

CSM Arthur Langlo Sr. — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:10:17 -0400

You have to be kidding me! I must be really old!! As a SGT though 1SG I Did a walk though of the barracks everyday!!! As a CSM I went though one or two Troop/Companies once or twice a month! As a NCO I made it a habit to go into barracks at night and on weekends just to check on troops and bullshit with them! You would be surprised at how much troops enjoyed a informal bullshit session and also you might learn of problems your troops might be having!

Response by CPT Jeff Robinette made Jul 14 at 2018 8:52 AM

CPT Jeff Robinette — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:52:37 -0400

No it is not intrusive! It is a health and welfare issue.
While pulling duty as the BN and BDE SDO. I was to walk through the barracks during my duty rounds. I cannot tell you how many times I walked through a company and found that their latrines had plugged toilets or that someone had puked all over the showers.
I always took the same action; council the CQ and ensure that those deficiencies were corrected.

Response by LCpl Troy Gwyn made Jul 14 at 2018 9:44 AM

LCpl Troy Gwyn — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 09:44:20 -0400

I am from the open squad bay and using wall lockers for blocking to get some degree of privacy.
A time when the Company Gunny checked the barracks daily, the Company Shirt checked after weekly field day and the Duty walked through on weekends.
What has happened to the concept that leadership includes caring about well being as well?

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Jul 14 at 2018 10:33 AM

SSG Brian Carpenter — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 10:33:49 -0400

For one that goes against everything BOSS was created for. Daily is definitely a terrible idea. Soldiers are going to think WTH and definitely going to destroy morale. Definitely intrusive. If I was still in I would go to1SG and convince them that if we have to do barracks soldiers than we need to do family housing as well. See how long it lasts when Everyone has to do it including CO's and 1SG's have to be inspected too. O guess the military is going backwards on everything. Yes to discipline again but hell no to interrupting people's lives. If you absolutely have to it should be quick and non invasive as possible. The inspections should be on duty time not soldiers personal time and definitely not at 0 dark thirty either. Skiers in barracks deserve the same courtesy that married soldiers are allowed. And don't say you can't Inspect quarters because unless the Regs have changed you damn sure can. I had an NCO that I got rumors about I went to his quarters and did a health and welfare and his family was living dirty. I gave him one week to clean it or I was going g to have his family shipped home and move him into the barracks.

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Jul 14 at 2018 10:37 AM

SSG Brian Carpenter — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 10:37:50 -0400

Exactly but to all who think you can't inspect quarters check the regs, because unless it's changed since I retired you damn sure can. Civilians may not be accountable but their soldier is. I used to do all the time if it was warranted. Read my comments you'll see.

Response by SSgt Bill Charles made Jul 14 at 2018 10:42 AM

SSgt Bill Charles — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 10:42:51 -0400

Good leadership means developing trust and respect within your scope of responsibility. That should include periodic visits to barracks and married housing. Well announced on a mutual respect for privacy. (unless there is reported or suspect criminal activity. Then Security Police or Commanders.)
But daily is too extreme and indicates to the troops that they are not trusted and is treating them like children. If we trust them with thousands and sometimes millions of dollars of military hardware then they should be trusted to unobtrusive barracks life.
This indicates to me a failure of leadership at the supervisors level including commanders.

Response by SFC Dennis Graham made Jul 14 at 2018 2:07 PM

SFC Dennis Graham — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:07:42 -0400

If the living conditions in the barracks have gotten to the point where it was determined that daily inspections were warranted then yes do what needs to be done to ensure a healthy living environment. With regards to those talking about people living in military housing or off post, before retiring we did do health and welfare inspections at military housing when it was determined necessary. If a Soldier living off post in a shady part of town we would check them too. Generally with regard to military and off post housing we gave a 24 hour notice we were coming over. If the home was not trashed out then there wasn't any issues. If it was trashed they were told they had x amount of time to get it fixed and we would be back. If it continued the Soldier was ordered to move into the barracks until the CoC determined they could live in housing within the standards required to maintain a healthy living environment.

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made Jul 14 at 2018 2:37 PM

Cpl Rc Layne — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:37:47 -0400

Sounds to me like the army has another self inflicted problem. I wonder how Patton would handle it.

Response by 1SG Larry Taggart made Jul 14 at 2018 3:30 PM

1SG Larry Taggart — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:30:08 -0400

The Timing and attitude of the leadership who are doing the check up makes the difference. Have the NCO just quickly do a common area walk thru and unless there is a safety risk don't make any corrections or knock on any doors to gather up soldiers to correct a issue. Just make not of it, if you can take a picture without being seen than do so and handle this on Monday. Room ispections need not be happening on the weekend. But bottom line barracks inspections have time and time proven that they are necessary. As a Soldier who lived in the barracks into the rank of SSG, soldiers maintain the barracks far differently than housing. Always have.

Response by SGT Mark Halmrast made Jul 14 at 2018 4:54 PM

SGT Mark Halmrast — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 16:54:04 -0400

Never needed to.
Barracks were squared away.
Policed each other.

Response by SPC George Jones made Jul 14 at 2018 5:14 PM

SPC George Jones — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:14:03 -0400

US military have rules to follow, and those rules are enforced.

Response by SGT David Wyatt made Jul 14 at 2018 6:05 PM

SGT David Wyatt — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:05:41 -0400

from an old school army man the nco inspects what he wishes when he wishes if privates were supposed to have lives they would be issued

Response by SGT Aaron Tollman made Jul 14 at 2018 6:24 PM

SGT Aaron Tollman — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:24:36 -0400

In my unit at Fort Hood back in the late 90s there was a period of daily inspections. These inspections were due to someone, still don't know who, intentionally setting off fire alarms. After about a week the fire alarms quit.

Response by Sgt Michael Rogers made Jul 14 at 2018 6:29 PM

Sgt Michael Rogers — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:29:51 -0400

Unless there has been a history of sexual assaults or other criminal activity in the barracks, my answer is No. There is a duty NCO in the barracks over the weekend, and staff duties who are to check the barracks during their respective tours. It is unnecessary to call in more NCOs during their off duty hours for this. Treat the troops like adults and let them enjoy their weekends.

Response by Sgt Roger Fiander made Jul 14 at 2018 6:46 PM

Sgt Roger Fiander — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:46:41 -0400

Not necessary at all.

Response by SGT Rick Eul made Jul 14 at 2018 6:51 PM

SGT Rick Eul — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:51:42 -0400

Used to always have an NCO walk through our rooms back in the 70/80’s. Never thought anything of it as our rooms were always squared away. And no, it wasn’t because we were “kissing ass” we did it so we had a clean place to live and if your room was F’d up it was the fast lane to harassment and extra duty. As an NCO, I did the same as well as check on my troops.
The issue I see is these troops have all been in multiple deployments living in shitty conditions and certain reg’s were overlooked for morale as well as the tempo of the mission.
Now that you are back at station HQ is going to tighten up and Re-install discipline.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2018 6:56 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:56:53 -0400

Cq can spot check, other than that leave joe alone

Response by LtCol Stan Hendrickson made Jul 14 at 2018 7:00 PM

LtCol Stan Hendrickson — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 19:00:41 -0400

Leave the troops alone on weekends, bunks still need to be made up if not being used by shift duty personnel...there still should be Charge of Quarters NCO available to respond to situations that need correction...troops accept that.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Jul 14 at 2018 7:29 PM

MSgt John McGowan — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 19:29:15 -0400

MSgt Peter Sutherland. What it looks to me is just messing with the singles. I have lived both and there is a certain amount of extra work to keep a barracks room up to standard. I have been a 1SGT with the duty to keep the brarracks ready at all time inspected rooms and all that goes with that. Another question would be if you would put a rank limit for daily room inspections? What if you have a E7 that lives in the barracks because he is single. As a E7 I would resent being inspected by anyone of a lower rank and if you have anything from a E6 doing inspections you are not giving the E7 the respect he earned. I had a E7 in the Barrett’s and the base commander decided everyone living in the barracks would have a meal card. He came to me wanting separate rations, I went to everyone asking for permission but was turned down. E7 and above is a SNCO and should be treated accordly

Response by SPC Vincenzo Minano made Jul 14 at 2018 8:09 PM

SPC Vincenzo Minano — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 20:09:17 -0400

Intrusive?!?! It's the fucking military dumbasses! What do you expect?! You have no privacy, whatsoever....deal with it like the trillion soldiers before You! Lol intrusive...fuck off!

Response by SGT Will Jones made Jul 14 at 2018 9:15 PM

SGT Will Jones — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 21:15:29 -0400

HELL NO!!!! Isn't that the reason we have. CQ?

Response by SPC Daniel Cramer made Jul 14 at 2018 9:31 PM

SPC Daniel Cramer — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 21:31:11 -0400

In 1964 to 1966, Fort Hood Texas, Hospital Company, there was a daily informal walk through. Quietly done, usual mid morning. The men worked odd hours, therefore slept odd hours. This basically to be sure "all was well".
If IG inspection was to be performed, there was time to prepare. Always thought that this was rather unduly harsh.
By this standard, we knew everything was in order.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2018 10:39 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 22:39:26 -0400

The NCO can and will inspect at any time, without notice. SUCK IT UP!

Response by SPC Lonnie Martinez made Jul 14 at 2018 11:35 PM

SPC Lonnie Martinez — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 23:35:26 -0400

As long as nobody is getting hurt and nothing catches on fire and the barracks are good to go on Monday, let it go

Response by SP5 Glen Tucker made Jul 15 at 2018 1:15 AM

SP5 Glen Tucker — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 01:15:44 -0400

What happened to the CQ, doing there hourly walk through and the SDNCO with ther once before and once after midnight rounds? ( Or am I so old they don't do that anymore.)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2018 7:28 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 07:28:30 -0400

I guess someone screwed up enough times to bring them back. USAEUR stopped them back in the 90s when I was there. They said if you do it for the barracks soldiers you have to do it for the married soldiers. That went over like a lead brick with the FRG and then we only had health and welfare checks for both. Way to go USAEUR.

Response by SPC Fred Saindon made Jul 15 at 2018 9:30 AM

SPC Fred Saindon — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:30:48 -0400

I was active from 82' to 85', the Army in their infinite wisdom made me an instructor. As jr. enlisted I lived in the barracks, we had daily room inspections to make sure the rooms were in order. Aftre hours and on weekends the CQ on duty inspected the common areas to insure they were clean. Somebody was assigned to clean the common areas every day to keep them in standard (trash emptied, latrine not trashed ). Why should it be any different today?

Response by CDR Mick Rankin made Jul 15 at 2018 10:40 AM

CDR Mick Rankin — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 10:40:08 -0400

Okay, so how is leadership ensuring their troops are living in safe, sanitary conditions? The Navy rule is division officers are to inspect their Sailors' berthing every day (while import only weekdays, the duty officer does it on weekends). While ensuring racks are made and gear stowed properly, there is also the cleanliness and proper working order of air conditioning and bathroom facilities. Lights stay out for those sleeping due to watches or overnight work. Taking care of people is not giving them what they want, it is ensuring they have what they need to be safe and successful. Oh, the married quarters are required to be inspected by the facility commander, and that is by discretion. He/She is still responsible for safe and sanitary conditions.

Response by SPC Brent Melton made Jul 15 at 2018 11:21 AM

SPC Brent Melton — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 11:21:47 -0400

Micromanaging at its finest. If its fucked up on Fri-Sunday, it will still be fucked up Monday and they'll pay the price then. If you really wan't to crush morale and make soldiers feel like they're prisoners, by all means inspect their shit every day. This isn't the venue for mass punishment, this should be a case by case basis for these inspections, because most soldiers will keep their room clean. You get that one dirtball that needs constant attention, have CQ do checks daily and enforce the order to keep the room clean.

Response by SFC Fred Youngs made Jul 15 at 2018 11:30 AM

SFC Fred Youngs — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 11:30:24 -0400

This nothing new this was done in the "70's / "80's when I was in Germany. I lived in the bus. At first then married off post. It was not inspection per day. Checking on the your soldiers just like you should do today.

Response by SPC Gary Welch made Jul 15 at 2018 1:26 PM

SPC Gary Welch — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 13:26:47 -0400

What's the big deal when I was in 89-97 my leadership would go through the the barracks whenever They wanted to sometimes 2 or 3 times a week and they would inspect off post personal once a month as long as the soldier was home

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2018 6:18 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 18:18:56 -0400

Response by SFC Charles Pervall made Jul 15 at 2018 7:42 PM

SFC Charles Pervall — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 19:42:02 -0400

What ever happened to the boss program? It used to be required to announce inspections 24 hours prior. Now daily inspections? Why? Are their that many issues? Squad leaders used to have to check on their soldiers and living conditions. If they were doing their job you wouldn’t have to have mandatory inspections! Just an old vets 2 cents.

Response by SSgt Edward White made Jul 15 at 2018 9:01 PM

SSgt Edward White — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 21:01:52 -0400

It depends, common areas for sure and if something seems to be out of hand, then by all means go check on an individual room. I had CQ duty many times when I was in the Air Force overseas and I might not have been in the CQ room at all times, but everyone knew where to find me and I wandered the halls checking on the guys and common areas except in the wee hours. 1973 to 1980.

Response by SSG Charlie Beebe made Jul 15 at 2018 11:24 PM

SSG Charlie Beebe — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 23:24:32 -0400

When I was at Riley we were required to check twice a week and once on the weekends. I'd check common areas on the weekend and if given cause I would check my soldier's rooms. I also checked soldiers in quarters and offpost. They didn't mind, it reminded them that someone did care and was concerned about their welfare.

Response by CW4 Jim Shelburn made Jul 16 at 2018 12:36 AM

CW4 Jim Shelburn — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 00:36:29 -0400

We had inspections in flight school day, night, weekends.

Response by PO1 Barbara Matthews made Jul 16 at 2018 12:51 AM

PO1 Barbara Matthews — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 00:51:38 -0400

I remember way back when we had weekly barracks inspections. And weekly Field Day. If you didn't show up to clean up you were subject to UCMJ. If you failed room inspection to had to have a second inspection in full dress blues (or whites) and your LPO it Chief had to come too. If you failed that one you got Captain's Mast (article 15). Those were the days. It was a Corpsman barracks on Camp LeJeune. They were very strict about that.

Things sure have changed a lot. If they are going backward and doing an inspection daily then either the have a problem within the ranks including leadership. In not sure what good can come out of those frequent inspections. It stressful to maintain that level of cleanliness and still feel at home. In many ways the barracks are home to nanny junior troops and a few geo-bachelors.

I hope it all works out and for whatever reason the decided to do this something positive comes of it.

Response by CW4 Michael LaGrave made Jul 16 at 2018 2:15 AM

CW4 Michael LaGrave — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:15:47 -0400

A far as barracks inspections go, are they common area inspections or individual room inspections? I have to say that a common area inspection should be done every day by the section NCOIC and SDNCO. THis is not only for cleanliness but for maintenance purposes as well. The barracks need to be maintained in a livable condition for all. If it is a room inspection daily, well that is a little over the top, unless there is an underlying reason for these inspections. The root cause of the issue needs to be addressed and fixed. If this is how you fix the problem, then fix it. If is not because a problem, but because someone wants to be intrusive on soldiers lives, then it is merely harassment.

Response by LCpl Christopher Pickett made Jul 16 at 2018 2:30 AM

LCpl Christopher Pickett — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:30:05 -0400

I would say that if there is daily inspections, someone screwed up big, maybe with stolen items or drugs because a daily inspection usually indicates there is suspicion of wrongdoing and command is trying to catch a culprit.

Response by SSgt John Pearson made Jul 16 at 2018 10:10 AM

SSgt John Pearson — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:10:40 -0400

Nothing wrong with a walk through but not a daily room inspection.

Response by PO3 Scot Fahey made Jul 16 at 2018 12:26 PM

PO3 Scot Fahey — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:26:32 -0400

My command, a detachment, had no government housing. We lived off base, in Honolulu

Response by SFC Preston Sr made Jul 16 at 2018 2:11 PM

SFC Preston Sr — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 14:11:08 -0400

I retired from Army in 1990. During my active service, wennot only had to check barracks periodically (not inspect), but we had to do health and welfare visit to soldiers not in the barracks. And, there were checks done inconspicuously on career personnel.
Had to make sure everyone were living in acceptable conditions. It was not obvious, but if you had a party or BBQ at your place, someone in the chain of command would usually drop by.

Response by CPL Jeff Tappan made Jul 16 at 2018 2:14 PM

CPL Jeff Tappan — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 14:14:32 -0400

These are people who are putting their lives on hold to serve their country, and they can't be trusted to keep the garrison area up to spec? If that's the case, then first-time leadership is suspect.

Response by 1SG Randy Book made Jul 16 at 2018 3:04 PM

1SG Randy Book — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:04:28 -0400

Had an "old school" PSG in '94 that defied my directive to not do daily inspections. I went to his off post quarters one Saturday morning to inspect his quarters. He said I could not. I informed him I was conducting health & welfare and insuring the money the government was paying him was be ing properly spent. He went to the IG on me, he lost. I totally agree with those that do an occasional walk thru. No daily inspection unless you do all and allow your quarters to be inspected by higher.

Response by Cpl John Chamberlain made Jul 16 at 2018 4:27 PM

Cpl John Chamberlain — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:27:29 -0400

Our barracks were inspected daily by the SgtMaj during the week and occasionally on weekends as well. During one of the weekend inspections a plastic wading pool filled with beer and a couple of live ducks was found in one of the rooms. The inspections were justified.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Harper made Jul 16 at 2018 4:34 PM

SSG Jeffrey Harper — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:34:35 -0400

Great this will lead to more soldiers getting married and reviving BAH or living in base housing. Whoever did this is an idiot

Response by CPL Timothy Butler made Jul 16 at 2018 5:30 PM

CPL Timothy Butler — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 17:30:28 -0400

Yes someone in the chain of command should walk through the barracks daily to maintain discipline order and compliance. It was good enough for me when I was a young pup it is good enough for today's young pups. It should resemble a barracks not a frat house.

Response by SGT Timothy Strashinsky made Jul 16 at 2018 6:09 PM

SGT Timothy Strashinsky — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 18:09:20 -0400

I used to let my joes know after work that a barracks inspection was expected before pt, and if something was wrong they had til noon the same day to fix it. That was just me being courteous otherwise i was under authorization to inspect anytime since we are soldiers 24/7 365.

Response by SGT Frank Allen made Jul 16 at 2018 9:19 PM

SGT Frank Allen — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:19:53 -0400

A PCS inspection at family housing pales compared to any barracks inspection that I ever stood...

Response by SFC Placido Leyva made Jul 16 at 2018 10:54 PM

SFC Placido Leyva — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:54:21 -0400

When I was in we had inspections every day, must be something new not having them, Army getting to soft

Response by SSG Brian Dean made Jul 16 at 2018 10:56 PM

SSG Brian Dean — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:56:15 -0400

Walk throughs by duty NCO not much more

Response by SSG Kyle Stromgren made Jul 16 at 2018 10:59 PM

SSG Kyle Stromgren — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:59:04 -0400

Oh no not for permanent party

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2018 1:14 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 01:14:00 -0400

I see a lot of “younger” or early to mid career soldiers with issue to having these inspections. Many likely don’t recall a time Pre-911 when garrison soldiering was a disciplined and detailed way of life. Inspections weekly should not even be an issue but an expectation. Daily walk through of the premises should also not be an issue. Many forget the days of basic training where drill sergeants tore the floor up if stuff wasn’t straight. Now soldiers want to cry about destressing on the weekend and having an inspection impedes that? Looks like a lot of growing pains are about to happen with Soldiers that never knew TRUE garrison Soldiering and leadership now having to witness it first hand.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2018 1:45 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 01:45:17 -0400

My team leader used to come in my room every morning before pt and make sure it wasn’t trashed

Response by SGT John Griep made Jul 17 at 2018 1:53 AM

SGT John Griep — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 01:53:39 -0400

I thought that was the CQ's job in the evenings and weekends? They are there to check on those in the barracks and to make sure everything is good inside. I know when I was in Germany I did have plenty of Heatk and Welfare checks on the weekends, they scare the he'll out of you at 3am when they com a pounding on the doors,

Response by MAJ Douglas Dopp made Jul 17 at 2018 7:17 AM

MAJ Douglas Dopp — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 07:17:35 -0400

I sense the mark is being missed. The military is not a democracy. Soldiers have to learn and believe that the military has rules, verbal and written. They are not meant to be flexible or debatable. Why? In combat, survival and winning depend upon immediate following of orders and recognition of authority of rank. Inspections have consequences good and bad. Serving is not an 8 hour job. I inspected my troops at all hours which reminded them I was there.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2018 8:22 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:22:34 -0400

You only check the desired room of those who failed field day, and then your command should periodically walk around (not inspect) the bricks for good order and discipline. Showing face causes a lot of stupidity to die down. But they’re not inspecting rooms on weekends unless that room failed inspection

Response by SPC Christopher McMahon made Jul 17 at 2018 11:13 AM

SPC Christopher McMahon — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:13:58 -0400

When I was stationed in Bamberg, Germany from 87-92, barracks inspections were very common, even on the weekends. Around 1990-91, we got a new CSM. He immediately put a stop to weekend room inspections, and even did away with 24 hour CQ duty. His argument (as if he needed one), was that those of us who lived in the barracks, shouldn’t be treated differently than those who lived off post.

Response by MSgt Rick Pierce made Jul 17 at 2018 1:49 PM

MSgt Rick Pierce — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 13:49:08 -0400

Duty NCO in the barracks is there to insure order and discipline. The Staff Duty checks the barracks daily to ensure all is well and checks the Duty NCOs logbook. This is SOP. But a detailed inspection knocking on ever hatch is not necessary.

Response by CPO Jeff Branum made Jul 17 at 2018 2:23 PM

CPO Jeff Branum — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 14:23:58 -0400

Onboard ship we had daily messing and birthing inspections. It wasn’t done to disrupt people’s lives. It was done to ensure that there was a certain level of cleanliness and order kept to benefit everyone living in the barracks. No matter how touchy and sensitive people tend to be lately, it is still the military! People need to stop getting so butt hurt over the smallest things.

Response by SFC Bill McFadden made Jul 17 at 2018 5:00 PM

SFC Bill McFadden — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 17:00:32 -0400

The married man has to pay for any damages done to his living quarters when he departs,, as well there are times when the commander can inspect married persons living quarters

Response by SSgt Ronald Orso made Jul 17 at 2018 5:07 PM

SSgt Ronald Orso — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 17:07:52 -0400

No. CQ doing an informal during their shift, yes. As for base housing...are you nutz???

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2018 5:11 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 17:11:33 -0400

well If there’s more inspections it’s for a reason probably cause of undisciplined Ass privates with contraband or other items.

Response by GySgt Stephen Adams made Jul 17 at 2018 6:50 PM

GySgt Stephen Adams — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 18:50:31 -0400

No need of daily inspections. Common area's yes, the rec room, the public bathroom, duty hut, hallways, definitely, but not individual rooms. Been there done that.

Response by SGT Steve Mcmurray made Jul 17 at 2018 7:02 PM

SGT Steve Mcmurray — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 19:02:44 -0400

Daily barracks checks are a part of being a leader and checks on off post housing has been part of being a leader also I served 75to85 and they were required at least 3 or 4 times a year

Response by SSG Michael Keohane made Jul 17 at 2018 7:14 PM

SSG Michael Keohane — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 19:14:51 -0400

A good NCO, who lives in the barracks, is always inspecting the barracks he occupies and taking appropriate action.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2018 9:59 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:59:34 -0400

We've all met that one guy who needs to be watched almost CONSTANTLY. But daily inspection on all barracks occupants...it speaks volumes on the quality of leadership and their view of their men/women.

Response by SFC Ed Pinson made Jul 17 at 2018 11:16 PM

SFC Ed Pinson — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:16:50 -0400

Seems like a lot of time is being wasted that could be used more effectively on training.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2018 10:28 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:28:56 -0400

Don't know the situation can't respond accordingly but my guess would be a walk through of the common areas and a more in-depth inspection less often.

Response by SrA Eric Vaughn made Jul 18 at 2018 10:56 AM

SrA Eric Vaughn — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:56:04 -0400

Im with msgt Holt... maybe just a walk thru just to check standards ....white glove everyday would kill moral

Response by TSgt Rudy Adame made Jul 18 at 2018 1:33 PM

TSgt Rudy Adame — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 13:33:05 -0400

No ,NCO should not barrack inspection at any time. On weekend, there should be no inspections what soever . Let them have the weekend free. For laundry, letter writing and personal time.

Response by SGT Rob Smith made Jul 18 at 2018 2:24 PM

SGT Rob Smith — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 14:24:28 -0400

If the sergeant major will be glad to come by and inspect housing on the weekends for the staff sergeants and above then this rule sounds like a wonderful idea a great way to clear out the ranks in the army

Response by CPL Jack Baker made Jul 18 at 2018 6:06 PM

CPL Jack Baker — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 18:06:19 -0400

We had a barracks inspection where the guy across the hall, that was from another unit, got caught with a hooker in the wardrobe, and that was the 3rd time she had been kicked out from 3 different guys. He was a SPC. they gave him extra duty in the desert as we were about to deploy. This would never have happened in base housing or off base housing. One of the difficulties i had living in the barracks was it was like college dorm. I was 28-29. with with 18 year olds running and screaming. I can see inspections weekly, with hours to reinspect after work hours during the work week for thoes individual soldiers.

I also remember SSG getting stupid making soldiers who had 2 deployments and severe ptsd getting stupid and making their soldiers empty their room, one item at at a time, rune down 2 flights of steps and leave the item in the parking lot. 1 boot, that is 2 items, boot and laces. It is stupidity like that that drives good soldiers out. There is a need for inspections periodically, but daily is stupid.

Response by SPC Jonathan Fretwell made Jul 18 at 2018 6:24 PM

SPC Jonathan Fretwell — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 18:24:07 -0400

I really never had issues on barrack inspections. Actually, our CSM became inflamed when he found out we have rat and bat problems. Due to his inspection, we managed to get rid of these pests. The only problem I ever had was the no firearms policy in the barracks. I am an avid shooter and always practiced on my free time when I wasn’t in the gym. It was annoying to always have to ask the armory to open the door on the weekend so I can go shooting. That was annoying. I am sure there are safety reasons, but I was I trusted with an M16/m203 with plenty of ammo overseas, but can’t have my personal weapons secured in a small safe in my barracks room?

Response by SMSgt Mark Gildersleeve made Jul 18 at 2018 6:35 PM

SMSgt Mark Gildersleeve — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 18:35:41 -0400

Only if there is an ongoing issue on Monday, with the barracks not being up to standards, or if leadership recieves information on dangerous conduct occuring.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2018 9:44 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 21:44:53 -0400

Go back to the nightly CQ and runner. 12 hrs nightly and 24 on weekends.

Response by MAJ Timothy Ford made Jul 19 at 2018 2:06 AM

MAJ Timothy Ford — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 02:06:45 -0400

It’s a leadership call. I was enlisted, gated the barracks life. If we as soldiers could not meet the standards for the barracks come Monday morning and bar an incident our leadership left us alone. The barracks did not always meet standard on Saturday or Sunday but it was us the soldier keeping it close, common areas. Our leadership stepped in if we got slack, first a warning, then prolonged end of day formation say on a Friday afternoon. If we did not self regulate then we had formal room inspections on Saturday. It happened once in three years on permenant party. If your troops take care of the required Army billeting standard on their own then leadership does not need a weekend inspection. Now you also realize room inspections are also conducted for the health and welfare of the troops, so weekend inspections could be done for other inspectsble issues

Response by SPC Korey Kilburn made Jul 19 at 2018 5:32 AM

SPC Korey Kilburn — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 05:32:55 -0400

I was stationed in Germany at the time when Gen. Shali instituted his single soldier initiative. We no longer had barracks inspections and health and welfare walk throughs were announced in advance. We basically had the same quality of life as married soldiers in quarters had. We could even turn in out military bedding, furniture, etc into supply and purchase our own. We even had kitchens installed in the barracks. This was in the early 1990s. What has happened since to lose the benefit?

Response by TSgt Edwin Henry made Jul 19 at 2018 6:30 AM

TSgt Edwin Henry — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 06:30:54 -0400

A biweekly barracks check should be sufficient. The check should be done on a Friday around 1600, 1700 or even 2000 hours.

Response by PO2 Scott Thomas made Jul 19 at 2018 11:52 AM

PO2 Scott Thomas — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 11:52:07 -0400

As someone that spent about half my time (8.8 years total) in the barracks I disagree with daily inspections. I also years ago brought up the fact that housing wasn't subjected to inspection. That said, in the Navy barracks inspections are usually or were weekly. If you got an outstanding you were exempt the following week. Working in intelligence we were shift working so often we were sleeping or trying to when inspection took place. In those instances you could place a sign (off mid) and be respected later or leave to have inspection completed. Most inspections were quick and painless so I didn't mind,but think housing should have the same rules. If inspections need to be done daily then there is a more serious problem here. I get newer recruits may not be as disciplined but daily. Come on man!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2018 4:26 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 16:26:51 -0400

Daily? Dear lord what happened? Murder?

Response by GySgt Bill McManus made Jul 19 at 2018 6:30 PM

GySgt Bill McManus — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 18:30:16 -0400

Yes E 5 and E 6 Sundays

Response by SP6 Dan Rolfe made Jul 19 at 2018 10:00 PM

SP6 Dan Rolfe — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 22:00:40 -0400

When I was in, it was under the commands discretion to inspect married personal quarters

Response by MAJ Jim Henderson made Jul 20 at 2018 8:41 AM

MAJ Jim Henderson — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 08:41:17 -0400

When I lived in the barracks they were checked twice a day on the weekend then when I was a commander I did the same thing. The intent was to make sure there were no safety hazards and most importantly talk with the soldiers. They were mid morning and after 1800. Never heard any complaints.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2018 9:42 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 09:42:49 -0400

I think the CQ sergeant could probably do the inspections fairly easily. If he were to check the common areas for cleanliness at a reasonable time, I don't think anyone would object.

Response by LCpl Jacob Bain made Jul 20 at 2018 12:44 PM

LCpl Jacob Bain — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 12:44:50 -0400

I was in 29 Palms 4 Marine Corps Communications Electronics School. We had a private, that about 4 weeks into our arrival and pending the pickup of our MOS School, decided it would be a good idea after he picked up PFC to stop showering. It just so happened that he was my roommate.

One day our gunny did a room inspection to make sure that we had everything squared away and no contraband, and she noticed that this particular Marine was picking his skin off of his body and storing it under his pillow. Now this inspection was roughly about 2 months after he decided to stop showering. Our gunny then put his welfare in my and my other roommates hands.

We grabbed this Marine along with our platoon leader, pulled him into the shower, and proceeded to scrub them down. Are platoon leader than assumed responsibility for his welfare, and we proceeded to clean up under his pillow. He had hundreds if not thousands of pieces of dirty nasty skin under his pillow.

This particular Marine had just been promoted shortly before this whole series of events began, after the scrub down he promptly fled to Las Vegas, married some random hookup he had had out in Twentynine Palms town, came back to the base after being absent without leave for at least a day, and was then discharged roughly about a month after that. It was the most disgusting thing I had encountered in my time in the Marine Corps.

Response by SSG Jess Peters made Jul 20 at 2018 1:06 PM

SSG Jess Peters — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:06:54 -0400

I don't think a weekend inspection is necessary. I would on occasion drop by for a welfare check. I don't think the soldiers minded and occasionally found a soldier that needed to talk or some help. Wore civilian clothes on those occasions. Soldiers were more relaxed and felt comfortable with informal talks.

Response by Sgt Hadley Thompson made Jul 20 at 2018 2:21 PM

Sgt Hadley Thompson — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 14:21:17 -0400

Only if a particular barracks warrants weekend inspections. People need time to relax. Back in my day, 77-85, top enlisted living in the barracks was in charge/responsible for the condition of the barracks.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2018 6:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 18:32:54 -0400

Unannounced weekly barracks check should suffice until you find issues. Then they should become more often for those who can't maintain their barracks without adult supervision.

Response by Sgt William Margeson made Jul 20 at 2018 6:50 PM

Sgt William Margeson — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 18:50:32 -0400

In the 60's, we did not have weekend inspection. We lived in open squad bays. Duty NCO made walk troughs once a day. Deffienies were reported to the Gunny, and fields days were usually the result.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2018 8:10 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 20:10:38 -0400

As a Soldier who lived in the barracks for nearly 10 years I would say this is highly unfair. We can't inspect Soldier housing because of the spouses, so how is it fair to do the same to single Soldiers. All this does is force Soldiers into some crappy contract marriage or an ill advised marriage to some crazy person just to get out of the barracks. High risk Soldiers are a different story, but it should be limited to those considered high risk. Why do this to good Soldiers that tow the line? The Army wants to have EO programs so there is what they consider equality yet they continue to overlook the rights of single Soldiers. I am married with kids and I still believe this is wrong. When my first son was born I was denied paternity leave because I wasn't married so they told me, "I could just be saying the kid is mine to get free leave." This is ubsurd and unfair to parents that either do not want to get married or just want to be a parent to their child and to say that someone would claim a child that isn't theirs would be the rule not the exception is not only discrimination, but ridiculous all together. It is bad enough that Soldiers in the barracks are the first ones to be called for anything (especially NCO's) why put them through more nonsense?

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Jul 20 at 2018 8:48 PM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 20:48:36 -0400

I am very surprised knowing there are so many senior NCOs who believe they’re inspecting the Barrick is not necessary when we know it should be at least once a week to ensure the soldiers on maintaining the standers . Their was a time when Mary soldiers living on poles were required to have the house inspected since they changed to civilian contractors they no longer Mary soldiers live in impose were required to have the house inspected since they change to civilian contractors they no longer require to be inspected. We must maintain Discipline and the Barricks is a priority due to personal hygiene’s.

Response by SSG Roger Raynard made Jul 20 at 2018 10:19 PM

SSG Roger Raynard — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:19:05 -0400

Years ago enlisted housing was inspected, as a health and warefare inspecton.

Response by SSG Benjamin Thornton made Jul 20 at 2018 10:47 PM

SSG Benjamin Thornton — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:47:19 -0400

One of the best lessons I ever learned in a leadership course was this: "Catch your people doing something RIGHT. Point out that you caught it, in front of everyone."

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2018 2:07 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 02:07:11 -0400

I go through the common areas about once a week, maybe less. My platoon sergeants go through a few times a week. The NCOs living are obviously there every day. We check rooms in an unobtrusive manner, though, by just stopping by and talking to soldiers. By the way, we do the same thing for senior people. When I was a Specialist I remember my platoon sergeant stopping by my house a few times. He would just being saying "hi" and ask if me or my family needed anything. But he was also checking out how I was living. We need to get away from conflating inspection with intrusion. Yes, check the barracks, check the rooms, but also check the rest!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2018 7:53 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 07:53:40 -0400

No. Unless the service member has earned it. Let them have their time off.

Response by SPC Anthony Kueneman made Jul 21 at 2018 10:35 AM

SPC Anthony Kueneman — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 10:35:47 -0400

Do you want to ensure that your soldiers get drunk and do stupid things often? Then make sure to enact and enforce asinine policies like this.

Response by SGT Brian Lorkowski made Jul 21 at 2018 11:41 AM

SGT Brian Lorkowski — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 11:41:25 -0400

It seems to always be something that the soldiers are complaining about. Inspections are to keep you in the ready. If you don't like it , get married and get housing. The troops are supposed to be tough, but all I've been hearing is them complaining about one thing or another.

Response by 1SG Michael Ramsey made Jul 21 at 2018 3:12 PM

1SG Michael Ramsey — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 15:12:46 -0400

A walk through every once in a while is a good moral booster if you take time to really talk to your troops, barracks inspections driven by legitimate problems are a different matter, I used to walk in barracks and have a beer or 10 with my troops then get up at 0400 and lead them in PT. Old NCO bussiness. If the brass in Europe have a wide spread issue they need to fix it if the don't then they need to let their people have no interferece most policies like these are from job scared leadership or the good idea fairy

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2018 4:07 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 16:07:21 -0400

We inspect random rooms on Tuesdays at 1300. It’s no secret. You would be amazed by the things I have seen. I walked into a room shared by one of my Sailors and a Marine from a different squadron. When I say disgusting is an understatement, I really mean it. These guys had at least two 30 racks worth of cans, pizza boxes, liquor bottles, and clothes all over their floor. A small fish tank with dead, rotting fish. And the worst part, their white sheets were a gray/brown where their heads and feet went. Point being, if people can’t even clean their rooms for a SCHEDULED inspection, why would I waste my time inspecting during my weekend?

Response by COL Jerry C. made Jul 21 at 2018 5:01 PM

COL Jerry C. — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 17:01:23 -0400

I concur with CSM Uhlig. This is Sergeants business but is a leadership issue. I was taught in my NCO days and those as a junior office by an old NCO who said "That what gets checked gets done". COMMAND guidance in such situations should always be focused and stated, other wise it will just be seen as "just more bs". Good discipline --this includes inspections both and off post--is the corner stone of good moral.

Response by SPC Russell T. Andrews made Jul 21 at 2018 5:23 PM

SPC Russell T. Andrews — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 17:23:37 -0400

No such thing as intrusive when you're trying to teach people to obey commands no matter how frivolous. You learn to work as a unit.Once you're in the military ,you are in for 24/7 , period.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2018 6:10 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:10:30 -0400

I had to check my Soldiers’ rooms every morning before PT while at carson... I can honestly say most morning I just signed the check-in sheet on the back of the door... for me it was more to make sure my younger Soldiers were going to make it to PT on time...

Response by PO2 Hauke Powers made Jul 21 at 2018 7:15 PM

PO2 Hauke Powers — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 19:15:25 -0400

Okay....let's go through this level by level....in basic...yes....in AIT....depending WHERE your AIT IS BEING HELD....after all schools and training....no...In the USN...berthing area were cleaned DAILY by those inhabiting those spaces if they were ON SHIP...afloat OR ashore...in the case of land-base barracks, again cleaned daily by those inhabiting those berthing area...we, in the USN, had no REAL barracks/ berthing area inspections per se...the Chief would do his sweep and make his comments and walk off. The PO in charge of the berthing area would tell us what was needed, and we did it...end of subject....as far as weekends....never saw it happen...we MADE SURE the areas STAYED clean so that CRAP would NOT happen !!!! Hope this answers SOME of the questions...God bless everyone !!!!

Response by SPC Keith Allen made Jul 21 at 2018 11:42 PM

SPC Keith Allen — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 23:42:51 -0400

That’s what their team leader is for. But why check up on them? Monday - Friday Inspections are usually enough, what can go wrong in 2 days. If they had a certain time to be there on the weekends, Jesus Christ, soldiers would never get any free time. They would have to stay in the barracks, on the off chance that an inspection occurs, and your not there. Great more ways to get in trouble.

Response by SPC Jimmy Bowling made Jul 22 at 2018 6:12 AM

SPC Jimmy Bowling — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 06:12:49 -0400

I am no longer in the military but I know that Basic Military Discipline never changes! I served two tours in Germany and both times I lived in the Barracks.

During that time we had regularly scheduled inspections at 0700 every Monday rain or shine and Pop Health and Welfare inspections whenever they got a wild hairy notion to do one!

Common areas where inspected daily and had to be maintained at least 100% until Top left at the end of the day. If you where lucky enough to have a room to yourself, and also was a squared away soldier, you should have been able to have your room ready for inspection in under 15 minutes. If you had a roommate the two of you could do it in less time.

I think that Inspections 7 days a week for anything but Common Areas is going way over board unless you have an extreme lack of discipline in the Company itself. Even then it should only be used as a training tool. Don't make this a permanent order because it will bring about discord within the company. Afterall this isn't West Point.

Response by SPC Ben Mullikin made Jul 22 at 2018 7:36 AM

SPC Ben Mullikin — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 07:36:47 -0400

Aaaaaaaaaand this is why retention rates are incredibly low. It's also why all of these E-1s through E-4s are going out and marrying strippers. The double standard placed on the Joes living in the barracks is ridiculous. Sure, there are ones and twos that live like rats, but most of the barracks residents are responsible adults. Doing weekend checks doesn't "show leadership cares". It shows that they're looking for reasons to destroy morale and disrupt the recovery time that the weekend brings.

When I read some of the comments by those in the higher leadership are leaving that weekend checks are needed, it shows how out of touch they are with those under their command and how oblivious they are to the underlying problems of WHY some of those things may be happening. It's only going to foster lower morale across the units and distrust and hatred towards the chain of command.

Response by SPC Brendan Lyons made Jul 22 at 2018 8:49 AM

SPC Brendan Lyons — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 08:49:48 -0400

We had alot of the same issues in the late 80s into the 90s. Someone, somewhere came up with the BOSS program (better opportunities for single soldiers). We actually had some big changes in the barracks. "Community" kitchens, changes in the ways we lived, better facilities, hell, I heard some barracks even had renovations done... like adding carpeting !

Response by SPC Charles Batchelor made Jul 22 at 2018 9:35 AM

SPC Charles Batchelor — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 09:35:48 -0400

Daily checks (which were required when I was in ('87-'93) too aren't IG level inspectiobs, they're just walk-thoughs done by the CQ (when I was in). Sounds like they are requiring senior leadeship yo do tgem now.

Response by LTC Lee Ellis made Jul 22 at 2018 11:29 AM

LTC Lee Ellis — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 11:29:48 -0400

Make certain that if you have weekend barracks checks, you do it at a previously published time, check in with local leaders, and always treat your Soldiers with dignity and respect.

Response by GySgt David Ellison made Jul 22 at 2018 12:38 PM

GySgt David Ellison — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 12:38:52 -0400

Back in the day we had an NCO check our barracks every day except Saturday and Sunday. Oh and Friday that was when an officer inspected it after Thursday night fielddays.

Response by SSG Darryl Cullum made Jul 22 at 2018 4:37 PM

SSG Darryl Cullum — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 16:37:48 -0400

Necessary evil. Preparation is the mother of success, repetition is the daddy.

Response by CW2 Guy Compton made Jul 22 at 2018 5:24 PM

CW2 Guy Compton — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 17:24:14 -0400

Used to be NCO conducted 1st call before PT and the last thing we did before we left was check the troops in the barracks. We had way less suicides......

Response by CPL Vinnie Vinanti made Jul 22 at 2018 5:57 PM

CPL Vinnie Vinanti — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 17:57:46 -0400

Had a 1stSgt do this in Germany. He came in unannounced at 10am on a Saturday. Threw a fit because my ashtray was full and there were multiple beer cans and bottles scattered around. Chewed is out because the room was trashed. Made us get out of bed and clean then had the CQ inspect our room after he left.
It was Saturday morning. Yes the room was dirty we had a barracks party Friday night to pre game the pub crawl. That does not mean it was going to stay that way all day, plus we had room inspections everyday during the week. Which we never failed!

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2018 9:44 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 21:44:33 -0400

I don’t think there should EVER be room inspections, unless your going to go inspect family house and housing off base. Unless there is a clear indication of trash or abuse or whatever — I have always been disgusted that single military members are treated like children. Set out the rules and if they break the rules, handle accordingly — until then, leave them the hell alone. Ps. My brother was a 32 yo SINGLE soldier living in the barracks (because he didn’t get married just to not have to live in the barracks) and was treated to room inspections as well. It’s crap.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2018 11:02 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 23:02:32 -0400

As a first sergeant at Ft Sam and later in Germany as a detachment commander I tried to walk through living quarter at least once during weekends and holidays not as an inspection more than to be there for and with men. I didn’t care if beds were unmade or guys setting around in shorts.

I usually brought in my wives cookies, etc. or some soft drinks. I might shoot a game pool, I wasn’t very good at it, or play a game cards if I was I invited. Sometime I would my young son, early elementary school, with me. The men enjoyed having him around and would play games with him and he loved being with them.

Often, one or two of the men would just want to talk. Sometimes it was serious other times they just wanted to talk or unload on me. Nothing was off limits.

The MPs in Kitzingen never cut anyone any slack. With knowledge, not them with his permission, of the DISCOM commander I allow the men to drink in to drink in thier in the barracks under the condition I never saw alcohol bottles or cans. But, I assured them I would NEVER tast or smell anything in soft drink cans.

About a year after I started the the policy, I got a call from 3 ID CG, MG Robert Taber's aid he said the General would be in Kitzingen for lunch in the mess hall and wanted me to join him,

He asked me who gave approval on my drinking in the barracks policy.
I told him no one. But, we had three drinking DRs my first month in Kitzingen. And I knew I had to stop the DR bleeding and so I thought I had a solution. He then asked COL Murphy (DISCOM Commander) had given his OK. I said, I would never ask my superiors for approval to violate any policy. General Tabor then said that COL Murphy had told about it a couple of months ago. He said, "I would give you permission, but if anyone has a problem with it, tell them to see me."

Response by MSG Tom Behan made Jul 23 at 2018 6:29 AM

MSG Tom Behan — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 06:29:25 -0400

If duty is on the weekend or if it's corrective action. Other than that HELL NO!!. The military is not a 9 to 5 job. I know we are soldiers 24/7. But we all need our own space and time. The barracks and he weekend just happen to be that space and time. For instance,. You go to a ladership course. You work the weekend you are in a training environment. Your area is inspectable at all times. Most soldiers areas are kept clean and neat a majority of the time. With the exception of a few,. There are really isn't a worry about this.

Response by Sgt John Nichols made Jul 23 at 2018 8:41 AM

Sgt John Nichols — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 08:41:14 -0400

Why is it intrusive. That is where they live and it needs to stay clean. If there was no inspections ....being young people living there it would be a pig stye. So yes. Barracks inspection are a must and if the troops living there get there feeling hurt or need more safe space then the military is not for them. J. Nick....USMC

Response by SGT Justin Singleton made Jul 23 at 2018 11:14 AM

SGT Justin Singleton — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:14:30 -0400

Daily?? Seems logistically unnecessary.

Response by SSG Kevin Choate made Jul 23 at 2018 12:33 PM

SSG Kevin Choate — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 12:33:59 -0400

What the hell do you have CQ, staff duty NCO and OIC for? It's their job to walk the barracks. Why would we stress our troops for the failure of the assigned staff duty? Absolutely agree with the comments of married living quarters to be included. Sometimes just let the good idea truck pass by!

Response by SSG Wayne Wilkins made Jul 23 at 2018 1:57 PM

SSG Wayne Wilkins — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 13:57:52 -0400

Hell. No soldiers need a time to wind down.,

Response by SSG Jason Denham made Jul 23 at 2018 2:30 PM

SSG Jason Denham — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:30:49 -0400

I routinely checked my guys before p. T. Each day.

Response by CPL Christoper Ingram made Jul 23 at 2018 6:34 PM

CPL Christoper Ingram — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:34:00 -0400

So glad I got my dd214 but they would stop checking me anyway mine was always White glove ready.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2018 6:59 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:59:34 -0400

Fu#k hood loved to do this shi! to soldiers. They didn't give a damn about you.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2018 8:18 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 20:18:57 -0400

I agree with Msgt Holt. Why are they being implemented. As for me in the Corps we have our weekly field days, that's about as intrusive as it gets, and with thoughts I agree with them. It not only helps keeps everything clean, but a keeps our Marines Healthy and teaches these 18 year old kids how to actually take care of them selves.

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Jul 23 at 2018 8:31 PM

SPC Greg Campbell — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 20:31:15 -0400

We 'lived' there. Dont come barging in like you own the place. Would you like me to go to your house and barge in? We had a shitload of work to do to keep the motor pool running. As long as it was cleaned up and didnt smell. Yeah there were inspections but they just didnt want to see wrinkles in the bunks. Pretty much only saw the inside of our wall locker if they were standing there. We were treated like adults unless we proved otherwise.

Response by SSgt Eddie Casasola made Jul 23 at 2018 10:24 PM

SSgt Eddie Casasola — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:24:38 -0400

Daily checks, that’s over kill, health and comfort once in blue moon, and maybe a spot check on barracks rooms weekly, not the all out Chinese field day horrers, or Even the on the designated day field day, and than look for dust in ridiculous places, that I knew and I’m sure thousands before knew and worse. This isn’t about who had it worse, it’s about making it better for those who come after us. Knowing your people and their capabilities is crucial to mission accomplishment. Troops want to feel at home in the barracks, not like prisoners.

Response by A1C Pat Eldredge made Jul 23 at 2018 11:04 PM

A1C Pat Eldredge — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 23:04:19 -0400

Barracks Inspections should be done weekly after Basic is completed. You are not training men and women, you are training a United States Soldier of every branch. Rules don't stop on Friday evening and pick back up Monday morning. They are 24/7/365 and need to be addressed as such.

Response by CPL Chris Harbour made Jul 24 at 2018 10:34 AM

CPL Chris Harbour — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 10:34:21 -0400

Inspections and readiness drills make you ready for anything. When the shooting starts you don't want to try to find something it should be second nature. Oh yeah and you signed that line. Says I will follow the orders of those appointed above me. Ruck up stop bitching and be a fucking soldier.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Jul 24 at 2018 11:09 AM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:09:29 -0400

yes.

Response by SSgt Larry Atkinson made Jul 24 at 2018 11:42 AM

SSgt Larry Atkinson — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:42:33 -0400

I think weekends is going a little to far. They went in the military not sent to prison. They all know even the boot E-1s that the place has to be ready by 0800 Monday morning. The barracks DNCO while doing his or her rounds knows enough to keep things in a clean manner, and tell the people to clean the place up.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Jul 24 at 2018 1:15 PM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:15:08 -0400

Even when I was a drill sergeant I didn't inspect barracks on the weekend after the first week or two. Five days a week was enough. I was usually around during the day to help or answer questions but I didn't do actual inspections. `We did have some permanent party people living in the barracks and as long as they kept their rooms clean and neat I pretty much left them alone.

Response by Cpl Clifford Hager made Jul 24 at 2018 9:09 PM

Cpl Clifford Hager — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 21:09:31 -0400

Have we become so entitled that military discipline is going out the door? Is discipline so intrusive we’re ofended or inconvenienced? At MCRD and at Pendleton the DI or NCOIC walked the barracks morning and evening daily.

Response by Cpl Andrew Talbert made Jul 24 at 2018 10:56 PM

Cpl Andrew Talbert — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:56:05 -0400

Sure, do daily barracks inspections if you want your service members getting into contract marriages, if you want them hating their lIves, if you want them to develop contempt towards command and married service members, and if you want to have your retention numbers tank

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2018 11:19 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 23:19:54 -0400

I know this was implemented in 1-82arb for awhile and it got to the point I intentionally started leaving messes because of the nuisance

Response by LCpl John Lewis made Jul 25 at 2018 12:31 AM

LCpl John Lewis — Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:31:02 -0400

Daily inspections means they have deeper issues and they are dealing with a problem

Response by CW3 David Vinson made Jul 25 at 2018 1:01 AM

CW3 David Vinson — Wed, 25 Jul 2018 01:01:33 -0400

There must problem with the Barracks for them to check every Day.People in Barracks need to straight up.

Response by SPC Jonathan Thomas made Jul 25 at 2018 10:16 AM

SPC Jonathan Thomas — Wed, 25 Jul 2018 10:16:20 -0400

Is there a rule where they have to give a heads up before checking rooms? Cause this moring it’s about 6 don’t head down to pt till 6:15 for formation, I hear knocking so I answer and it’s my chief and my smoke just showing up unannounced. So clearly not knowing they were coming my room was a little messy, a pair of shorts on the ground, sinks is a little dirty etc. so now I get scolded for it but how is it fair if I’m married I get a 24 hour notice for a inspection but single soldiers don’t receive the same curiosity’s

Response by Cpl Robbie Penn made Jul 26 at 2018 10:37 AM

Cpl Robbie Penn — Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:37:21 -0400

I remember when I first hit FMF we had a 1stSgt that would occasionally stop by on the weekends and check in on everyone, especially new Marines. We had field day every Thursday and inspection Friday morning before PT. Living in a shared space raises far more potential problems than someone living in a house with just their family. For example, you live like a nasty and get roaches, the whole barracks now has roaches. If one individual in the barracks has the flu or something other communicable disease, it's traveling through the ventilation system for the whole barracks.

That being said, having inspections everyday means either you have some nasty people in your barracks, or someone just likes to pick on y'all.

Response by SGT Ed Alemany made Jul 26 at 2018 11:10 AM

SGT Ed Alemany — Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:10:01 -0400

Old habits from old timers

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2018 3:31 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Jul 2018 15:31:53 -0400

I learned very early on, never open my doors on the weekends because of this shit. If I'm off duty, I'm not home. If you want to prove otherwise because you want to make an active effort to lower morale in your unit, you can go sign out the master key from battalion.

Response by SSG Julian Nicholson made Jul 26 at 2018 4:47 PM

SSG Julian Nicholson — Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:47:13 -0400

I’m astonished that this is even worthy of addressing. I lived in the barracks as a young soldier and again briefly as an older soldier after divorce. That said I was not exempt from inspections. It never bothered me as it was simply part of Army life. If it’s considered intrusive to soldiers today then we have a serious problem with who we are allowing into our military today. I inspect my investment properties at least once a year not only for maintenance, for overall cleanliness. If this occurs in the civilian sector where rent is paid then why on earth is this questioned in the military where housing is free? If service members are unable to handle the stress of a barracks inspection then how will they handle the stress of combat? Maybe it’s time to grow up.

Response by 1SG Ken Bedwell made Jul 26 at 2018 7:12 PM

1SG Ken Bedwell — Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:12:07 -0400

NCO's should be expected visit the barracks at any time. I think weekends and holidays should be reserved for making sure drinking binges are kept in control, music is at a respectful level for neighbors, and trash is picked up and in the proper receptacle. Basically, looking out for the health and welfare of all. Checking if a Soldier made his bed should be reserved for Monday through Friday. Keep in mind, I am retired and my opinion no longer means much.

Response by SGT David Wyatt made Jul 27 at 2018 6:43 PM

SGT David Wyatt — Fri, 27 Jul 2018 18:43:35 -0400

ya know back in the cold war era there were daily inspections the real question is when did the nco corps get so lazy

Response by SP5 Arthur Ben Ephraim made Jul 29 at 2018 8:10 PM

SP5 Arthur Ben Ephraim — Sun, 29 Jul 2018 20:10:39 -0400

Only if CQ is derelict in duty.

Response by SGT Michael Boston made Jul 30 at 2018 10:11 AM

SGT Michael Boston — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 10:11:46 -0400

At some point the barracks personel need the down time. That's what the time is for. In saying that should the rooms be squared away, yes. But not necessarily Monday morning ready. There will be times when it's necessary but not continuous. Not to mention getting up early Saturday morning get unifrom in and standing by as well as. For both being inspected as well for those having to do the inspecting. So where is the downtime suppose to happen. But to flip the coin, if your quarters remain squared away don't have much to worry about.

Response by CPL Justin Brown made Jul 30 at 2018 10:17 AM

CPL Justin Brown — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 10:17:03 -0400

It’s really not that new of a thing maybe daily, but when we pulled CQ we would inspect rooms. We would also ID females coming into the barracks to ensure they were of age cause let’s just put it out there a lot of them lies trying to get a soldier. It wasn’t an invasive check just a pop your head in and see how soldiers were doing when door was open. Once a month we would have inspections and issues were taken care of in concerns to maintenance at that time. I even remember a six can beer policy that was implemented and several soldiers buying six cans Party Balls of Heineken or what not just to be in the right but the wrong at the same time. When my wife arrived we even had our on post apartment inspected monthly by the building commander. If you take care of yourself and your housing there should not be an issue as long as you are not inconveniencing the soldier. I think daily is ridiculous though why should you have to hold someone’s hand to make them take care of their on housing.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2018 11:42 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:42:55 -0400

So glad I'm retired ...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2018 11:45 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:45:19 -0400

Coming up the rank. I have barrack check every weekend by NCO. NCO check the laundry room, latrine, hallway, stairway and common areas. If it need to be clean then who ever he come across too, so sorry, you are it.
So what the big deal. Your it the Army now, deal with it.

Response by SPC Vincenzo Minano made Jul 30 at 2018 12:36 PM

SPC Vincenzo Minano — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 12:36:26 -0400

Boo fucking hoo! You are in the MILITARY!!! You signed the damn contract, get over it! And YES, they DO inspect homes off post.

Response by Cpl Clinton Britt made Jul 30 at 2018 3:49 PM

Cpl Clinton Britt — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:49:41 -0400

If I remember correctly, we had field day inspections weekly and those were on Thursdays if we were not in the field

Response by Cpl Mike Littleton made Jul 31 at 2018 10:36 AM

Cpl Mike Littleton — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:36:28 -0400

Personally as an NCO. I think a walk through on both days is fine for things not getting out of hand. But Monday morning it better look like the weekend never happened!

Response by SGT Kyle Bickley made Jul 31 at 2018 8:10 PM

SGT Kyle Bickley — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 20:10:57 -0400

Leave the troops alone on the weekend. As long as the barracks is dress right dress on Monday no worries. They know what is expected, they don't need a babysitter! If they do, then you have a week command structure in place! I never had any problems with my guys back in the day.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2018 11:47 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:47:44 -0400

Why do people still talk about the double standard of single soldier vs married soldier living conditions. It's pretty obvious that it's a retention tactic. The army needs you to get married and have kids, otherwise all the talent gets out as single E4's. Single soldier living conditions are always going to suck, it's by design.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2018 6:15 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:15:07 -0400

Daily checks are necessary. It lets soldiers know you care and you keep the 1sg/csm happy that the barracks are in working order. It is government quarters, owned by the government, paid for by the government, maintained by the government. It’s everyones responsibility. I just recently went through all my soldiers houses that live off post and was able to identify some issues they’ve been having. Young people living on their own for the first time don’t really know how to get things done if a landlord is screwing them around. One of mine had an air conditioning problem (it’s been over 90) for the last three weeks. The house was at 86 when I walked in. Called the landlord myself and the issue was addressed the next day.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2018 11:51 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 11:51:37 -0400

I'm not in the army but anymore that once a week greatly imposes on peoples quality of life, doing stuff like that is why so many young men and women jump into marriages to get out in town. That barracks room is their only personal space to relax and decompress from work. It's an absolutely terrible idea to expect that it be inspection ready every single day. And weekend should be left alone unless the member failed a weekly inspection. It's too intrusive and excessive. Would you want your Sergent Major at your house every night telling you to dust behind your TV?

Response by PV2 Chris Jackson made Aug 1 at 2018 12:11 PM

PV2 Chris Jackson — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 12:11:32 -0400

They should just walk through the barracks and take a look around at a decent hour, and if something needs a touch up ask someone to take care of it, and while they're in the barracks check up on the men and women, spend some time with them, it'll show that even though you're in a position of authority you as their leader give a damn about them

Response by PO1 Jeff Abraham made Aug 1 at 2018 10:25 PM

PO1 Jeff Abraham — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 22:25:12 -0400

I think that on the weekend your room should be your room .

Response by SMSgt Glen Swain made Aug 1 at 2018 11:20 PM

SMSgt Glen Swain — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 23:20:47 -0400

Every day

Response by Arin Day made Aug 2 at 2018 11:18 AM

Arin Day — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 11:18:01 -0400

I think Barrack checks are important. It helps to ensure that your soldiers are taking care of themselves. My husband checked in on his soldiers almost every Sunday afternoon. And on the other side of that as a married lower enlisted soldier we had our house inspected by his chain of command a few times. And when they were satisfied that we were going to take care of ourselves they stopped. I didn't like it at the the time and thought they had no right, but the fact is they do and most of the time they just want to make sure everything is okay.

Response by SSG Will Phillips made Aug 2 at 2018 6:43 PM

SSG Will Phillips — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 18:43:56 -0400

Yes …. That being said, not to harass or intimidate but to insure the health and welfare of my men. My troops knew that if their rooms and common areas were squared away by Monday (or the following morning) all was cool. They could be drinking, partying, doing laundry or whatever. As long as they were not being destructive, doing something illegal, getting out of hand from said partying to the point of harming their self or others I would let them be to enjoy their down time. If I ran across them doing something stupid, I shut that shit down immediately, unless it was something the chain of command needed to know about. My men trusted and respected that fact about me. Remember …. These are the guys I had to trust in combat.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2018 9:51 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 09:51:52 -0400

There is a difference between a barracks walk through and a room inspection. If they are just walking through checking common areas by all means go for it , bit if the command had so little trust in thier soldiers or are so toxic that they are doing individual room inspections everyday there is a much bigger problem than the barracks not being perfect. These buildings are the home of these young soldiers and some not so young soldiers and NCOs they should be treated as such until there is a specific reason not to . Somebody's NCOER of OER is not a good reason people need to stop trying to advance thier careers on the misery of thier subordinates

Response by SSG Dave Mathews made Aug 3 at 2018 10:08 AM

SSG Dave Mathews — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 10:08:06 -0400

First of all, our job as soldiers is a 24 hr a day job. It doesn't end at 1600 on Friday. It makes no difference what your age is there are rules. As an NCO it's my job to make sure those rules are followed, period. if you want to trash your living space, go rent a hotel room.!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2018 1:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 13:19:48 -0400

Daily no periodically yes. Use as a tool of getting to know your soldiers and that you care and are available. If you use as a way of administering punishment or as a tool of discipline soldiers will withdraw and the moral will crash.

Response by SGT Thomas Mitchell made Aug 3 at 2018 5:38 PM

SGT Thomas Mitchell — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 17:38:24 -0400

If inspections are for the purpose of monitoring facilities and personnel safety and security, I would think that the monitoring could save commands a lot of headaches.

Response by Cpl Presley Bright made Aug 3 at 2018 6:19 PM

Cpl Presley Bright — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 18:19:42 -0400

We would sometimes have high rank SNCO’s randomly knock on our door in the evenings. We’d open the door, he’d tell us to relax, keep doing whatever we’re doing (TV, etc) chat us up a bit, glance around the room then tell us to have a great night. If the room was jacked up, I’m sure he’d let us know.

Response by PO1 Michael Bruner made Aug 3 at 2018 8:01 PM

PO1 Michael Bruner — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 20:01:23 -0400

While I was at a joint command, some anal-retentive Marine major threatened to inspect all off-base residences, including those of other services. I told my Marine Corps colleagues to let their chain-of-command know some of us live rough area and answer the doors with baseball bats in hand.

Response by MAJ Rudy Recile made Aug 3 at 2018 8:34 PM

MAJ Rudy Recile — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 20:34:19 -0400

I agree with all of the previous comments. It is important to make a presence known letting the troops know you’re paying attention and letting the chain of command at the lowest levels first handle any issues observed. That being said soldiers not living in the barracks should also be visited at their homes periodically for a health and welfare visit. This should be occasionally done to ensure the families of our troops are living well and not in squalor. Again this should be done with tact and care starting with leadership at the lowest level. I’ve heard too many stories of families not able to make ends meet or their homes having all kinds of issues not being able to fix due to funds availability or bad landlords or property management company.

Response by SSG Mike Babauta made Aug 3 at 2018 8:40 PM

SSG Mike Babauta — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 20:40:17 -0400

Yes

Response by SSG Cecil Stroud Jr. made Aug 3 at 2018 8:43 PM

SSG Cecil Stroud Jr. — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 20:43:46 -0400

Yes

Response by Sgt Tutone Abelson made Aug 4 at 2018 9:30 AM

Sgt Tutone Abelson — Sat, 04 Aug 2018 09:30:20 -0400

Chicken shit...

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2018 11:07 AM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Aug 2018 11:07:56 -0400

When talking to my fellow junior enlisted, i noticed one of the most common things listed when they say they aren’t going to reenlist is that living in the dorms/barracks sucks. I personally only lived in the dorms for 7 months before getting married, but I can’t imagine living there for years like some of these other junior enlisted do. The primary reason the dorms/barracks suck is not because it’s small and nothing works (although those are problems too). The main reason people don’t like living there is because of the inspections. Inspections that are too frequent and/or unannounced lower junior enlisted morale, make them feel distrusted by leadership, disrupt their lives, and give them the sense that they have no privacy. I understand why inspections are necessary, but perhaps if you want more troops to stay in the military long enough to rank up past E4, inspections should be less frequent and always announced in advance unless there are extenuating circumstances.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2018 11:13 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Aug 2018 11:13:20 -0400

No, first off the NCOs have lives on the weekends so they won't want to do it. Just because you can make an order to mess with the Barracks doesn't mean you should. As long as you have a field day inspection sometime in the week, you're good. Also, the brown baggers who clean company office should receive the same inspection of same office by Company staff as if they were in the barracks. Also, if the brown baggers hang out in the common room or equivalent, they should be required to assist in the cleaning. It's not fair that a CPL has to deal with that crap when some 18 y/o PFC who married a stripper doesn't.

Response by CPT William Jones made Aug 4 at 2018 4:17 PM

CPT William Jones — Sat, 04 Aug 2018 16:17:31 -0400

I was company commander in germany in 1968-1969. We had a company CQ after normal duty hours. I walked thru the barracks at odd hours just to see what was going on Anyone could stop me and talk about whatever was on his mind. No punch list was made unless somebody had something that I needed to get taken care of.We had a formal inspection of somesort every Sat Morning(worked 5.5 day weeks) when things were required to be just So(sometimes quarters,or motor pool etc). But no formal inspection every day

Response by CPO William A. Bullard Jr. made Aug 4 at 2018 5:00 PM

CPO William A. Bullard Jr. — Sat, 04 Aug 2018 17:00:13 -0400

Dumb ass question,and quit framing it in E3 Bag O'Donuts Junior enlisted married slob, okay?! I ran Barracks 332 at US Navy Engineering School Great Lakes and I inspected the barracks any damned time it suited me from 1995-1997; I could have give a damn less about being intrusive. Barracks 332 final inspection for the week each and every week was at 0430 every Friday morning, rain, snow or shine, really didn't matter. I had four Senior 1st Class BTs, EM1s and IC1s at my disposal for the inspection as well as the EM School command Master Chief. At 0500 all Inspections were completed: Heads, Dorm-Cubes, Racks, random Lockers, Toilet and commode facilities, Barracks Library, and ALL personnel onboard Dungaree Inspection/s. The Barracks was the obstacle; the school platform was the merry go-round brass ring. Pass my damned inspection and you got to go to school for the day; do not pass my inspection you stay onboard and correct your inspection deficiencies subj. to Senior NCO judgment/s and then you went to the school platform and got beaten up and whipped by the school OIC, and OH! if you missed a shotgun quiz it sucked to be you. The following Saturday morning you and all deficiencies mustered in PT gear and were motivationally trained at double time around the drill field in front of the C/O's office/s. Once and a while he even showed up in PT gear and helped to correct and motivate. I am a USN CPO; I will motivate and correct any of my charges; I don't give a damn if it's a Holy Day of Obligation; Jesus and I will talk it out; he understands. Everyone of my 1st Class P/Os were onboard with me or were sent to School Facilities to be janitors until they "learned the Law". They were not on the WatchBill and they knew that, that privilege came with certain discrete open ended obligations . I am surprised that an NCO would even think to ask this question; but then we have lots of civilians in uniform don't we! When i did inspect on the weekends, not too often and unannounced, it was a Health and Comfort Inspection complete with DoD working dog teams; sometimes it got really ugly for the dope head/s we caught up; sucked to be them and some of them were kids I thought might be righteous. Just goes to show you how wrong even a CPO can be at times. The argument/s brought up here are apples and oranges, have nopthing to do with rank but do show in the questioner a certain lack of Military professionalism and laziness, to be blunt about it. Don't know about the US Army and could care less, unless I am covering them IGFS. Any Barracks in my Navy is government property and is "MY" Ship if I have command of it; and, it will run like a ship or its occupant crew will be made to be properly motivated: spic and span everything clean and "Ship shape"; a clean ship is Safe ship. And, a Safe ship is any ship a Sailor can go to sea on and come back home on, Safe to his family, in one piece. I don't give a dam how happy he is, or if he "has ownership of it" or has bought into it. This ain't AmWay and I am no Salesman. A Private residence?...well maybe the landlord is in arrears on his responsibilities, wouldn't be the first time, but most are damned sure Bag O'Donuts isn't in arears on his rent and if he doesn't call Chain of Command well then, he deserves the screwing he's going to get and it sucks to be Him. Navy Housing????gimme a bloody break. Base Housing Management Office could care less if you are E3 or O5 etc., and God is a mess cook. You keep a crappy house and believe me as sure as ships get underway they will let Chain of Command maybe even type commander know, and again it will suck to be You. So cut the crap with this stupid assed "Up Front with Joe and Willie" Bill Mauldin question; it's a dumb assed question.

Response by SSgt Mike Finch made Aug 4 at 2018 8:23 PM

SSgt Mike Finch — Sat, 04 Aug 2018 20:23:07 -0400

Had these when I was in. Utter BS. I can see checking often enough to make sure hygiene, cleanliness and safety are to standards. Otherwise it is nothing more than deliberately intruding on one's privacy. We had one (interim) first shirt who would unlock the door and then "knock-open" - despite the "mid-shift" placard on the door. Was he trying to catch me choking the chicken? Doing drugs? Or, gasp, using a hot plate? In any case, I was awoken and could rarely get back to sleep.

A$$hole.

Response by SGT Kevin Unruh made Aug 4 at 2018 8:36 PM

SGT Kevin Unruh — Sat, 04 Aug 2018 20:36:26 -0400

if there's been issues then it should be daily. if there's not any issues that come up, move to a more random semi daily schedule
but on a Saturday it doesn't need to be a formal affair unless there has been a major screw up somewhere. go check on things in civilians. just because the rank isnt on the collar of your polo shirt or hawaiin shirt or whatever doesnt mean you dont have it. "hey how you all doing, you remember this or that is going on next week. I see you guys like Jack Daniels, Jones there isnt having any right, he's only 20. alright enjoy the rest of your weekend, dont do anything stupid and call me if you do do something stupid". Do it infrequently enough that its not like being deployed and living with them 24/7, but frequently enough that they say to each other "hey don't do that. you know SGT U has no life and is likely to pop out of nowhere".

doing regular checks and minor corrections sooner prevents the constant checks and major group corrections later.

Response by SSG Jess Peters made Aug 5 at 2018 1:03 AM

SSG Jess Peters — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 01:03:18 -0400

During my time 65 to 85 some NCO's had quarters inside some barracks so inspections were not conducted. In those that did not have NCO's a health and welfare check was conducted, not an inspection. Just check up on your soldiers, sometimes a soldier just needs someone to talk to. Occasionally you may find a serious problem like drug users or out of control drunk soldiers. I think most soldiers appreciated when you stopped by in an informal setting.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2018 8:41 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 08:41:27 -0400

The only reason I disliked barracks inspections was because of the ultra-intrusive nature and nit-pickyness of the inspectors. I could understand checking the overall condition of the common use areas, but to raise hell with a locked barracks room over a bed not made, an open closet, trash in a trashcan, an item displayed on a wall... that was just pure bullshit that led to more than a few of us getting married just to get out of the barracks or paying out of pocket to live in a cheap place off post.

Response by SGM James Lamm made Aug 5 at 2018 9:18 AM

SGM James Lamm — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 09:18:32 -0400

Yes a walk through to check for fire and safety hazards. SGM Retired

Response by SPC William Smith made Aug 5 at 2018 12:37 PM

SPC William Smith — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 12:37:25 -0400

NO! Sometimes we would have a "shakedown" inspection at 0200 looking for contraband. I believe that's okay. But on weekends give somebody the duty of posting guards, if an emergency happens go round up the barrack rats to handle it, but no inspections. Good soldiers will keep their living quarters orderly without being mothered by some NCO who's pissed because he has weekend duty. We all had extra duty, we were man enough to know it comes with the job.

Response by CPL Donald Curtis made Aug 5 at 2018 7:25 PM

CPL Donald Curtis — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 19:25:36 -0400

That's the job of the CQ...as for e-5 And up they always had their own bathroom facilities.No one ever bothered them until maybe a full blown inspection.About once a year....back in the 70s

Response by SFC James C. Virella made Aug 5 at 2018 7:42 PM

SFC James C. Virella — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 19:42:32 -0400

Absolutely not.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2018 9:24 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 21:24:28 -0400

When I moved into the barracks after getting separated from my ex wife the unit I was in conducted barracks inspections every morning before pt then on the weekend my team leader would check up on us he wouldn’t enter my room but to make sure we were doing alright and at the time it seemed like everyone was against me and it felt nice that atleast one person cared enough to leave his house and make sure I’m doing okay and shoot the shit for an hour or so and I’m sure our platoon sgt required it of him and I didn’t like it at first but after awhile I started looking forward to the hour long visits and made sure I was alive for them

Response by Sgt Robert Jolley made Aug 5 at 2018 10:23 PM

Sgt Robert Jolley — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 22:23:17 -0400

Friday morning inspection following Thursday evening "Field Day" is sufficient. It is the quality of the inspection and not the frequency that is important.

Response by SGT Harrison Gonyea made Aug 5 at 2018 11:18 PM

SGT Harrison Gonyea — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:18:28 -0400

I can certainly see the need for daily inspections at times. However if that’s going to be the case with the exception of a weekly inspection (Monday morning before PT right after the weekend) carried out by the Platoon Sergeant every other day should be handled at the section chief/ squad leader level. Especially if they have other NCOs (E-5/E-4 Corporal type) living in the barracks. It’s really not that hard to check up on neighboring soldiers on a daily basis. That wouldn’t mean having to be the same NCO doing it every time clogging up his/her schedule. It could be split up among NCOs at the section level. And if you don’t have the personnel for that then you have better things to worry about that an inspection anyway.

Response by CPL Freddy Travaglia made Aug 5 at 2018 11:48 PM

CPL Freddy Travaglia — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:48:58 -0400

well first of all the field first would lose his boot in the nco butt.the barracks always clean

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2018 9:27 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:27:52 -0400

As a leader you should be in that Soldiers room everyday during the duty week. Weekends should be for just ensuring all is in good order and not disturbing their down time. As NCOs we are rated on our leader presence on and off duty

Response by 1SG Charles Rivenburgh made Aug 6 at 2018 1:20 PM

1SG Charles Rivenburgh — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 13:20:49 -0400

I was taught as a leader that anything the soldiers under my charge did or did not do, on or off duty was my responsibility. Why because I had not trained them. As 1SG I along with the CO or PSG or company clerk did a health and welfare inspection of random rooms each day of the week. The PSG would get the results and make any and all corrections. On weekends I would go in to check the barracks, make sure the CQ/CQR were on their toes and read the CQ report. So I was at the company every day. Checking the barracks allowed me to speak with my soldiers in a forum other than a normal duty setting. You would be amazed at what kind of info you will obtain. It was invaluable for the effective running of the unit. Also, get wired in with the MPs. They would call anytime day or night to handle a soldier under their control. Of course, their report goes thru channels. But by that time you and the CO have the situation under control and the BN CO comes off as quite the leader to the Div CO. A win-win.

Response by SPC Bob Otto made Aug 6 at 2018 3:51 PM

SPC Bob Otto — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:51:30 -0400

So out with the single soldier initiative? When I was in married living in the barracks waiting for housing we had SSI in which we still a standard but no daily inspection. The barracks common areas were the only thing I saw inspected in 3 years over there and it didn't cause any issues.

Response by SSG Lon Watson made Aug 6 at 2018 4:58 PM

SSG Lon Watson — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 16:58:46 -0400

This has been a huge issue since the 1980s. I have served in all three decades 80s, 90s, 2000s. Barracks are like a college frat house most of the time. People live like they don’t care much of the time. If NCO presence in the barracks ceases the barracks will go to Hell fast. NCO s just need to go by and check common areas, talk to a few soldiers, knock on a few doors and make sure problem soldiers are alright. You use your duty day inspection to help you decide what door to knock on. If they live like pigs during the week, they definitely will in the weekends. The question about why we don’t inspect married soldier quarters has also been around since the dawn of time. The answer is we have other measures in place to make sure soldiers in housing are keeping grass cut and house order.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2018 7:01 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 19:01:25 -0400

Yes, but only if you have a problems that stem from the barracks. Personally, we need to stop calling them barracks. They are dorm rooms.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Aug 6 at 2018 8:09 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 20:09:28 -0400

Sp4 There is no reason for a daily barracks inspection. A daily unannounced walk through by the Platoon Sgt. and the Weekend CQ would deal with any problem that warrants immediate action such as AWOL's, Drugs or an ill soldier. Back in the day in employing units inspections were few and far between. Inspection are intrusion on what little privacy a soldier has, its part of the game. On the surface and with out any specific examples all I see here is command harassment.

Response by CPL Josh Johnson made Aug 6 at 2018 8:32 PM

CPL Josh Johnson — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 20:32:12 -0400

They shouldn't go everyday. There has to be time for soldiers to work, pt, enjoy the weekend, and so forth.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2018 11:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 23:29:23 -0400

Yes

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Aug 7 at 2018 6:10 AM

SSG Ken Gilder — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 06:10:24 -0400

You sort of expect barracks inspections on duty days, but I think both the inspectors and the inspectees would all be a lot happier if weekend and holiday inspections were scrapped. What platoon sergeant or platoon leader, who does not live in the barracks, would want to give up time with his family, to inspect the barracks and the troops that would probably be just as unhappy about being inspected on their off duty time?

Response by SPC Jerry Doc Daugherty made Aug 7 at 2018 6:25 AM

SPC Jerry Doc Daugherty — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 06:25:38 -0400

No! Everybody needs time to unwind! If it's not basic training or AIR then no the inspection does not need to happen! The NCO and the lower enlisted need to blow off steam! That's the only way our Military System works!

Response by GySgt Robert McDaniels made Aug 7 at 2018 8:47 AM

GySgt Robert McDaniels — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 08:47:06 -0400

I must be waaay too old. Back in the 1990's, both when I was on sea duty and when I had shore duty, all rooms got at least a spot check daily during the week. It wasn't as thorough as the Friday inspection, but my squad leaders or Platoon Sgt. poked his head into every room every day. Add to that, when I was at Camp Lejeune, we were required to keep our curtains open during the duty day, so that anyone can see into every room whenever they want to during the duty day. Having said that, weekend inspections seem a little over the top, unless there have been specific problems. In that case, it should be applied only to problem children, and not everyone generally

Response by SGT Hans Brockmann made Aug 7 at 2018 9:51 AM

SGT Hans Brockmann — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 09:51:24 -0400

It's down to the leadership the barracks or property of the units therefore their responsible for them and if you got untidy soldiersl you are going to check them more. As for housing they are privatised there fore the can't really be inspected without permission unless in extreme circumstance.

Response by SPC Timothy Goos made Aug 7 at 2018 10:51 AM

SPC Timothy Goos — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 10:51:58 -0400

When I was active duty and living in the barracks, we did have barracks inspections. When I was stationed at Bitburg, they did away with inspection because we were more responsible and the army wanted a better quality of living for the single soldiers

Response by SSgt Marc Carpenter made Aug 7 at 2018 1:47 PM

SSgt Marc Carpenter — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 13:47:33 -0400

My first unit we got inspected to death it was by the book always just like being in basic and AIT still I hated it had no privacy that is why we left and stayed in the bars and they wonder what causes alchoholism

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2018 8:54 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 20:54:51 -0400

This to me sounds like a punishment. I can understand if they have been turds in a schoolhouse or if they are getting complacent but not keeping someone under a lens without a just cause.

Response by PO2 Keith Reese made Aug 8 at 2018 1:08 AM

PO2 Keith Reese — Wed, 08 Aug 2018 01:08:29 -0400

Boys will be boys... That being said I've been in quite a few married members units in various housing that looked like a dumpster was emptied there.

Response by SPC Randy McCoy made Aug 8 at 2018 8:48 AM

SPC Randy McCoy — Wed, 08 Aug 2018 08:48:44 -0400

I’m a Vietnam Vet served 4 years never had inspection over the week end.

Response by SSgt Dennis Jordan made Aug 8 at 2018 9:16 AM

SSgt Dennis Jordan — Wed, 08 Aug 2018 09:16:50 -0400

Once a week would be sufficient

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2018 2:58 AM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Aug 2018 02:58:49 -0400

its fucking stupid, another reason why no one reenlists

Response by SGT Bruce Loomis made Aug 9 at 2018 9:16 AM

SGT Bruce Loomis — Thu, 09 Aug 2018 09:16:36 -0400

I can see this if they are trashing the place. I would see this as a lack of discipline for some, but most cases think this is a bit harsh and will affect the moral.

Response by SFC Russell Shaw made Aug 14 at 2018 5:27 AM

SFC Russell Shaw — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 05:27:48 -0400

Checking on people to ensure they are emotionally secure is one thing to be up in their business daily can be intrusive. If we are to train people to take responsibility then give it to them and see how they respond. You are with your team 8 to 14 hours a day if you are not checking watching and listening to them while you are with them then what makes you think they will tell you or show you anything when you come by their barracks. It is time to train our people to be more responsible. One time our First Sergeant told us we would check on everyone who lived in the barracks daily. I told those who lived in the barracks that I trusted them and believed in them and that if they had problems, because they already knew they could come to me at any time, so I told them I would not be by everyday. I would not treat them any different because of problems in other sections. They had earned my trust and had confidence in them to do the right thing. But then I would come my many times and shoot the breeze with them and listen to them. Get them to feel relaxed and they will tell you things that creates that special bond that comes from being separated from friends and family. Did I disobey an order I guess you could say so but then I had a lot of leaders that did not know how to lead so yes I would disobey an order here and there that was unreasonable and would cause problems in my part of the organization. If I was addressed directly, I would obey the order but many times poor leaders seldom checked on blanket orders of this nature.

Response by PFC Gary Dulany made Aug 17 at 2018 9:27 PM

PFC Gary Dulany — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 21:27:21 -0400

Be ready for anything, anytime!

Response by SGT Joseph Ducheneaux made Aug 21 at 2018 12:00 PM

SGT Joseph Ducheneaux — Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:00:34 -0400

If CQ is doing their job then an NCO’sshouldn’t have to take time away from their families to babysit a bunch of immature under age driunks. Let’s be real. I was once a barracks rat too so don’t get offended that I don’t sugar coat what happens in the barracks on the weekend. Your 21 and over buddies will buy up for you and you will get shitfaced. Now if it becomes a problem where you are out of control then non judicial punishment comes into play and eventually a court martial if you can’t keep yourself out of trouble. If that don’t work, we kick you out. End of story.

Response by SFC Herbert Taitingfong made Aug 26 at 2018 7:53 PM

SFC Herbert Taitingfong — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:53:15 -0400

Inspecting the Barracks on the weekends or weekdays is the job of the Staff-Duty NCO, utilizing the three general orders.

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Aug 27 at 2018 9:09 AM

SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 09:09:00 -0400

If, as how you put it you "young Soldiers as a whole, cannot maintain the common areas or hallways in which you have your rooms, then you give leadership a reason for them to walk through your barracks until you bring the standards up some. Sometimes funky smells escape from the bottoms of your doorways into the hallways making living for others very uncomfortable.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Sep 3 at 2018 11:53 AM

PO3 John Jeter — Mon, 03 Sep 2018 11:53:14 -0400

I never objected to the cursory checks on weekends of the public and common areas. The duty usually allowed for some 'down time' attitude along with the brief admonition to "keep things in check" and pick up when you're done. If they happened to spot a 'disaster' room they would give a casual warning about either keeping the door shut or get it right. It was always understood that everything had better be GI bright and early Monday morning. We always took pride in the appearance of our area and we were mindful that things would get very tough if we didn't measure up. We knew where the line was and foolish indeed was the slob that brought the wrath of the powers that be down upon the barracks.

Response by Howard Friedman made Sep 27 at 2018 5:27 PM

Howard Friedman — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:27:09 -0400

Barracks of all soldiers, airmen, marines, coastguardsmen, and sailors should be respected. They are entitled to privacy just like everyone else.

Response by GySgt Randy Stiltner made Oct 10 at 2018 8:47 AM

GySgt Randy Stiltner — Wed, 10 Oct 2018 08:47:42 -0400

Not only do I think that they should inspect but if I had my way they would do away with the two man rooms and we would go back to the open squad bay I lived in a open squad bay until I picked up E-6 and because of that I not only knew everyone in my platoon but everyone in my company and how they responded to different situations but now with two man rooms you have people in the same platoon that don’t know each other

Response by SPC Phillip Anderson made Oct 13 at 2018 6:03 PM

SPC Phillip Anderson — Sat, 13 Oct 2018 18:03:58 -0400

Does a member of the room need to be present during the search? I know it's government property, but there are personal spaces that are locked for security.
I was in Europe in the early '90's and was traveling all the time. I had my car and drove from Hamburg to Interlaken , Berlin to France by way of BeNeLux, I couldn't imagine wasting a weekend for an inspection.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2018 4:31 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Oct 2018 04:31:07 -0400

Inspect? No. Check on our Soldiers and their living conditions? Sure.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Oct 17 at 2018 9:56 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:56:49 -0400

What is being called a barracks inspection here is typically a walk through nothing wrong with that the CQ is supposed to the same thing several times during there Duty. How ever during a walk through if you hear real loud music it is not a bad thing to rap on a door and ask them to turn it down a little on and on, Make sure you log in and out with the CQ and any thing that needs corrected or on the spot corrections were done. I used to do both on and off post walk throughs and meetings I liked doing a walk through at 0900 in the morning for barracks I am not really bothering anyone just looking around. Even when we still had Sqd And Plt bays just walk in and look around. Most of the folks were okay with it and never fussed at all rather welcomed it than trying to find something wrong with it they knew I would be there so they expected it. People in quarters and off post I would ask in advance if I could stop over and see how things were going Never had but one person tell me no and the one that did came up hot on the Next Piss test. Had a PFC married living in off post housing with his wife when I showed up the place was freezing I ask what was going on he said the Heater broke he Called the Land Lord His response was I will send someone out Monday That did not go over well with me so called the 1SGT. He made some phone calls and bang some one was working on his heat. Mean while I took them to my Place for coffee\ hot chocolate and Mid day chow. We watched the football game in about two hours they had great heat and was happy. Visits like that are important.

Response by SGT William Trusty made Oct 24 at 2018 11:25 AM

SGT William Trusty — Wed, 24 Oct 2018 11:25:15 -0400

Well, I was in the Army from 1980-1987 and they inspected the barracks daily. I had that detail too. I agree that they inspect them.

Response by SGT William Trusty made Oct 24 at 2018 11:26 AM

SGT William Trusty — Wed, 24 Oct 2018 11:26:58 -0400

Anytime and deep because some young military try too get over

Response by SGT Jaimie Cheesebrow made Oct 26 at 2018 8:04 AM

SGT Jaimie Cheesebrow — Fri, 26 Oct 2018 08:04:33 -0400

Here's the thing, the Army owns the barracks. The Army makes the rules just as your parents did when you lived in their house. You cannot except not to be intruded on if you are living in someone else's property. Just as if you lived in a rental off base. A landlord has every right to inspect their property with a given notice. Leaders are required to give notice. Unfortunately for some, their battle buddies live like pigs and ruin it for the bunch. As for those of you who say inspect the married couples homes too, it's not that easy. First, the Army doesn't own the property (on base housing is privatized too) and the spouse is typically civilian who the Army has no control over. There are exceptions to all of these rules but as a leader you should be talking to your command team and legal counsel if you are questioning the validity of these inspections. You should also think about the why. Why does the Army (or any other service) care what my room looks like? There's more to it than simply did I make my bed.

Response by SPC Clayton Ellzey made Oct 27 at 2018 5:03 PM

SPC Clayton Ellzey — Sat, 27 Oct 2018 17:03:27 -0400

Suck it up .
Our squad leader inspected our rooms daily our plt Sgt did them and Top would walk thru.
We knew what the standards were for keeping barracks squared away resulting in fewer GI parties fewer ass chewing .

Response by SPC John Allen made Oct 31 at 2018 8:36 PM

SPC John Allen — Wed, 31 Oct 2018 20:36:57 -0400

Hell yeah Joe's a nasty bastard.

Response by SSgt James Tadlock made Nov 1 at 2018 9:37 PM

SSgt James Tadlock — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 21:37:05 -0400

Good idea to inspect what you expect. Troops can get pretty loose on weekends. Unexpected inspections would tighten them up.

Response by SFC Matthew Parker made Nov 3 at 2018 1:28 PM

SFC Matthew Parker — Sat, 03 Nov 2018 13:28:02 -0400

Yes, a walkthrough should be done on the weekend. start with common areas and if they are ok, end it there. Its what the CQ should be doing anyway. As for the rooms themselves, no, either you have provided adequate mentorship and leadership to your soldiers so they can be trusted to maintain their personal space on a weekend or you didn't, in which case it's you that has the issue.

The exception to the rule is when a trend is established of multiple soldiers having issues on the weekends or a soldier who during the week fails inspections and walkthroughs. Then you should be providing additional oversite anyways. Daily inspections are an overreaction and a sign of poor leadership.

Response by SSgt Dennis Brown made Nov 3 at 2018 3:20 PM

SSgt Dennis Brown — Sat, 03 Nov 2018 15:20:46 -0400

In my entire career until retirement, I only saw 1 full blown down inspection...1977 at kadena on a SAT morning the wing commander visited every dorm room on base with the unit commander and first set...a 30 second walk thru making sure all was in neat orderly manner, no write ups, no nothing... Just in n out... The rest of the years first Sgt and form chief would check em monthly... Housekeeping kept the rooms clean except for desks and lockers ... Everything just to make sure neatness and safety reasons... Never any complaints or problems

Response by CW2 Donald Loughrey made Nov 16 at 2018 9:29 AM

CW2 Donald Loughrey — Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:29:37 -0500

As an Infantryman in my first enlistment they were a daily occurrence with a TA-50 layout most Fridays. Location is really insignificant. Conus or OCONUS. It's the Military and NCO's as well as all other Ranks are on duty 24/7. Weekend "off duty" time or passes are a privilege, not to be expected off hand. A good orderly and clean living area is indicative of good discipline. An NCO should have the right and the Obligation to inspect anytime and often. The more the Military tries to be like a Civilian Job the less it will act like a Military when necessary. Just this guys opinion....which are free and worth every penny as they say.....
Cheers all. God Bless all who are serving.

Response by MSgt Jerry Waters made Nov 16 at 2018 9:43 PM

MSgt Jerry Waters — Fri, 16 Nov 2018 21:43:31 -0500

Only once a week, should do it. Monday

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2018 12:13 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 00:13:15 -0500

My weekend barracks inspections consisted of the PSG simply checking on soldiers over the weekend.

Response by LTC Pete Moore made Nov 27 at 2018 4:42 PM

LTC Pete Moore — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:42:33 -0500

Yes! I was an em and an o. I lived in the barracks no problem. I also livedndiring the day whited experience of no inspections, it was a damn disaster. Don’t like the barracks at 30, get promoted!

Response by 1SG Michael Brooks made Dec 2 at 2018 4:08 PM

1SG Michael Brooks — Sun, 02 Dec 2018 16:08:17 -0500

I believe senior leaders need to show a presence. No room inspections though unless something seems way off. But its good to look at common areas, laundry rooms and walk around. I have found Vomit in hallways , broken furniture and all kinds of craziness.... the sooner found the better, and facts are easier to determine. The plan is not to find problems, but if some exist it gets them handled.

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Dec 8 at 2018 4:26 PM

1SG Billye Jackson — Sat, 08 Dec 2018 16:26:48 -0500

As a First Sgt I made it a Point to walk throw Barracks every Day, Weekends and Holidays included. I didn't per say inspected them, and didn't enter a room unless there was a reason. It also gave me a chance to greet and Talk to my Troops One on One. other then across my Desk. I also expected my other Sr NCO's to do same. My Troops Knew that they were Liable to see Top 24/7,anywhere any Time.

Response by SFC Jonathan Adams made Jan 26 at 2019 10:29 AM

SFC Jonathan Adams — Sat, 26 Jan 2019 10:29:15 -0500

I used to go walk through the barracks every weekend. No inspection, no harrassment, just walk down the hallways letting my guys know I was there if a door was open. Sometimes I'd see absolutely nobody, sometimes I'd see my whole squad and we'd shoot the shit for a few minutes. On more than one occasion, I've driven one of my guys to the PX or commissary on the weekend to pickup "supplies" for the next cook out or whatever. These guys don't need to be fucked with.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2019 3:51 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Jun 2019 15:51:17 -0400

blanket daily inspections are overkill. Unless you have specific "problem children" (which should be handled on a case-by-case basis) weekly or bi-weekly inspections should be plenty.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2019 3:42 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:42:48 -0400

Absolutely! 24/7, holiday and/or weekends. Throw-in a UA and that's a G2G for many NCOER/OER bullets! Seriously. It's not creating a level of "anxiety" for SM's just an "accountability" of possible poor decisions & the consequences thereof.

Response by PFC vIVIAN lOGAN made Jul 18 at 2019 5:11 PM

PFC vIVIAN lOGAN — Thu, 18 Jul 2019 17:11:31 -0400

Unlike civilian life, the reality is there is no such thing as clocking out of work. The military has
you 24/7, inspections and all.

Response by SGT Timothy Johnson made Aug 28 at 2019 10:58 PM

SGT Timothy Johnson — Wed, 28 Aug 2019 22:58:05 -0400

A squad leader should check on his troops every day not only to make sure that their Room is sanitary but make sure their well being and all around well being is ok It may seem intrusive however catch something before it goes bad

Response by SP5 Kevin Finnegan made Sep 4 at 2019 7:46 PM

SP5 Kevin Finnegan — Wed, 04 Sep 2019 19:46:27 -0400

Lt. Farnsworth did. Kicking the beer cans down the aisle. OOPS!

Response by MSG Dennis Watts made Nov 5 at 2019 11:53 PM

MSG Dennis Watts — Tue, 05 Nov 2019 23:53:25 -0500

Only time I did room inspections on weekends as corrected training. If the soldiers area was not up to standards during the week. When I was a young solder the 1st sergeant told me ours rooms should always be ready for inspection.

Response by Maj John Bell made Mar 9 at 2021 2:51 PM

Maj John Bell — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 14:51:59 -0500

Has there been a health and comfort issue in the barracks due to the living habits of barracks residents? Or is their reason to suspect that illegal or forbidden conduct is taking place in the barracks. If not, daily inspections seem excessive to me. Has the command offered an explanation?

Response by MSG Clyde Mills made Mar 9 at 2021 3:19 PM

MSG Clyde Mills — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 15:19:09 -0500

Wow, I thought this was the job of the CQ that was on duty during the weekends. If the CQ found a trash can overflowing with trash, he would grab the closest two soldiers if it called for two and have them take the can out and have it emptied when I was in serving. I feel that to have NCO's coming into the Barracks on the Weekend is taking away from their own personal Family time and being intrusive on the lives of the lower ranked soldier's who live in the barracks. The barracks is their home and as long as it's not a shit storm and a total mess, leave the junior and sometimes junior NCO's alone on the weekends during their free time. Too much supervision stifles initiative in my book and doesn't allow junior enlisted soldier's the potential to learn and earn the respect from their peers and NCO's that are over them.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Mar 9 at 2021 3:57 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 15:57:41 -0500

Wow the pendulum has swung the other way from when I was in. What is the purpose of the a 7 day a week barracks inspection. Improve retention, doubt it. Improve the DFAC, yeah not really, take a way time from people not just the enlisted but everyone else. Who in the hell wants to work 7 days a week? What brain frozen idiot came up with this idea? Same idiots who came up with no one can own a car in USAEUR except married E-4's and above. No cars for single soldiers. After that will be no alcohol in the barracks, no food in the barracks, Commanders time on Pay Day. Lets go back to Class A inspections to get paid. Can we not learn from the mistakes of the past not to do dumb shit 30 years later.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Mar 9 at 2021 5:10 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 17:10:23 -0500

I did. Especially when I was in Korea. As f---ed up as things were on Camp Hovey/Casey, I had to do it. We found drugs, paraphenalia, significant others (and their children, sometimes...which is messed up when the troop is married), leaders' significant others, juicy girls, unauthorized amounts of alcohol, etc. The way I see it, more frequent barracks inspections probably wouldn't be necessary if leaders did the inspections like we were taught to and if soldiers would live right.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 9 at 2021 7:07 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 19:07:42 -0500

No guidance on what to be look for? Sounds like AIT.

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2021 1:00 AM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 01:00:36 -0500

Absolutely not. Who in their right mind thinks that any idea that treats the enlisted like children instead of grown adults is a good idea? What a great way to tank retention and utterly destroy morale. As a prior enlisted Marine, I swore that if I ever became an officer I would root out any SNCO that insisted on this practice.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Mar 10 at 2021 3:34 AM

Capt Jeff S. — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 03:34:44 -0500

Inspections used to be once / week and Field Day was Thursday night so that if you got it wrong, you'd be busy on Friday night losing your primo social time to cleaning what you missed on Thursday. It was understood that the Barracks should be kept clean at all times, so it was not unheard of to have a random inspection, but even then you generally had a few hours advance warning that it was going to go down. As a Corporal, I was a collateral duty Wing NCO and had the dubious honor of being in charge of field days... It kind of sucked because the Sergeants didn't want to take orders from me, but they also didn't want to be in charge so they just complained and tried to get out of everything. My billet trumped their stripes. That said, we did have the cleanest wing in the barracks...

If you want the troops to be happy, you should stay out of their business and let them live without having the worry of daily inspections over their heads. Give the troops the benefit and let them prove to you that they're capable of living like adults in a clean barracks, and they'll meet your expectations; if you treat the troops as if they are incapable of living like adults and requiring constant "stupervision," they'll meet those expectations as well...

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Response by SPC Robert Hendrickson made Apr 15 at 2022 2:13 PM

SPC Robert Hendrickson — Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:13:37 -0400

Yes..got to keep the integrity of discipline and responsibility..cleanliness and safety also comes to attention..if all the vehicles and weapons must be clean..so the clothes, persons(soldiers, etc.) must be clean and safe and attentiveness must be a priority as well..

Response by SSG William M Davis made Jun 21 at 2022 6:08 PM

SSG William M Davis — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 18:08:51 -0400

While in USAEUR during the seventies, weekend barracks inspections were common. I’m sure the climate has drastically changed over the past fifty years but if I were still serving I would expect unannounced command inspections of barracks.