Should President Trump provide credibility back to UCMJ by charging to start with: Admiral Green, Adm Gilday, Secretary Spencer?

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For dereliction of Duty, Insubordination, and whatever else fits for their efforts to work around the Commander in Chiefs wish for the military.

In my opinion Green should immediately face the maximum reduction in Rank and be dishonorably discharged by President Trump.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2019 2:22 PM

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For what?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2019 2:28 PM

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I’m not aware of any legal avenue for the President to arbitrarily order the reduction or discharge of a commissioned officer absent a court martial

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2019 2:44 PM

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Attempted Murder; Premeditated Murder; Aggravated Assault with a Dangerous Weapon x2 on non-combatants; Firearm, discharging-willfully, under such circumstances as to endanger human life at non-combatants; Obstructing Justice (three counts); Wrongfully pose for an unofficial picture with a human casualty; Wrongfully complete reenlistment ceremony next to a human casualty; Wrongfully Operate a drone over a human casualty; Wrongful Use of a Controlled Substance – Tramadol Hydrochloride; and Unlawful Possession of a Controlled Substance – Sustanon-250.

Those were the charges brought against Chief Gallagher. By a jury of his peers, he was found Not Guilty on all charges except for the posing with a dead body charge. Where is the dereliction of duty? Where is the Insubordination? What is your basis for needing to receive maximum rank reduction and a DD? The period of UCMJ is done. He is not going to be facing these charges again.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Nov 20 at 2019 3:10 PM

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No sympathy here...he is a SNCO and he knew better than to do what he did. In any other career field say for example aviation....you screw up in it you get your wings yanked and are no longer a pilot. No difference here. Leadership knows better the day to day workings of their units...not the President and he should have trusted his Captains and Admirals to make the right calls. IMHO.

Response by CW4 Guy Butler made Nov 20 at 2019 3:19 PM

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“I don’t think so, Tim.”

Response by SrA John Monette made Nov 20 at 2019 3:30 PM

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insubordination? because they are not bowing to trump's wishes? Dereliction of duty? how?

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Nov 20 at 2019 3:33 PM

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A bit extreme, but agree with your point. They need to review the authority of the CINC and UCMJ. Both, as career military and leader in public service, I understood my role as an advisor to my seniors and decision maker after listening to my subordinates.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Nov 20 at 2019 3:52 PM

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Most points are dodging what's really going on. The President took and action to restore rank. That's it. No other restrictions apply. Whether this reprieve happened or not, Admiral Green is in a lose-lose situation. What do you do with this guy? He'll be toxic wherever he goes in the Seal community. Most times, there's a quiet retirement and life goes on for everybody. Apparently the Chief isn't going quietly soon enough. So there are the administrative options. Best business option is to slide him far away and let him be backwatered (Keflavik). To do that, make him ineligible for your billets. You make him ineligible by pulling his warfare qualifications. You can do that anytime for "loss of confidence". Better yet, if you have a process where the dirty deed is spread amongst, gasp, his peers; The Tribe Has Spoken.

The Chief's lawyers are doing their due diligence by trying to frame this stuff as going against the President because they want that hammer to be applied. It doesn't go against the President, but the optics aren't great. The MIL side is framing it as legitimate actions for the good of the force. This stuff isn't done in a vacuum. I'd suspect the CoC through SECDEF is in lock step and the President has been briefed. My take is the President has pulled about all the political capital out of this one and should leave this bone alone. Business people understand toxic situations in the HR world.

BTW, the Chief will never get promoted, nor allowed to reenlist. I don't know what the remaining clock is, but it'd be interesting to see the numbers run on leaving now with an early bump vs. hanging around. Regardless, there's a pile to be made on the outside for the Chief. His value will decline with time. An agent will tell him to strike while the iron is hot.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Nov 20 at 2019 4:09 PM

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Even though from WIKIPEDIA, a good article on civilian control of the military.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_control_of_the_military

Civilian_control_of_the_military

Response by LTC Trent Klug made Nov 20 at 2019 4:41 PM

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While they are able to do this, the optics do look bad on the senior leaders of the Navy. Since he's requested retirement, just let him. If they want to pull his Trident because of the one Article he was convicted of why aren't they doing the same to the others in the photo?

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Nov 20 at 2019 4:52 PM

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A draft dodger should not be making decisions about military justice.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Nov 20 at 2019 5:27 PM

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Yet another inaccurate headline. He was not CLEARED by Trump, he was tried and found guilty. His rank was restored by Trump, but (at least as far as I can tell) Trump never reversed the conviction.

And no, Trump cannot provide credibility to UCMJ by chardging Commanders who were themseleves EXERCISING THEIR AUTHORITY under UCMJ. He would only FURTHER undermine UCMJ, which has already started by his undue influence and reversal of demotion, amongst other things.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2019 8:30 PM

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Did you actually read the article? The Navy isn't kicking the guy out, they are kicking him out of the SEALs and revoking his trident, as well as the trident of two of his commanding officers. He will still get to retire, he will just never be able to call himself a SEAL again.

Response by PO3 Nicholas Richards made Nov 21 at 2019 12:28 AM

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Ok so all of you that think he should be reduced in rank and dishonorabley discharged do not really know what some seals are ordered to do. They are given instruction no evidence left behind of An American prescience and lets e honest the only way to accomplish this is to kill everyone within the perimeter of your objective. How can any soldier question another’s actions of you do not what there orders where?

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Nov 21 at 2019 7:41 AM

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I've been in spirited conversations over this issue, n the past few days. Personally I think It stinks, if I were President Trump and one of my military officers were trying to do a " end run " around someone that I pardoned. I would suggest he/she resign their commission. For a number of reasons.
1. It border lines double jeopardy, by looking for another reason to punish someone on a ( just because ) ego trip.
2. This action is saying " once you screw up, their is no redemption for you ever "
3. You make this Petty Officer out to be a Martyr, thereby making this issue a never ending story. And causing future generations to give pause about serving in the future.
4. When the next Seal breaks the ( Law ) in any capacity. ( Since everyone is emphasizing " the Law" ) will you give him/ her the boot too? Or will the excuse of ( but this is different ) be used.
Mind you Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
5. The man and his family has suffered enough, don't you think he has learned from his errors?
6. What if some fortune 500 company considers him a hero and hires him to an executive position in charge of hiring? Do you really think anyone from the Navy will get due consideration after the way he was treated?
Everyone including his Commander should step back and take a deep breath, before thumbing their noses at the President's pardon of this Petty Officer.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Nov 21 at 2019 8:06 AM

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I think you got some stuff mixed up. This is the problem with tyrants...they make their subjects believe they are all-powerful, that they can do as they wish. Trump has the power to pardon--pardon does not mean that the pardoned individual didn't do the crime, or that they aren't guilty of the crime. Pardon means that the crime doesn't matter. So just because a person is pardoned by no means indicates they are fit for service, or that they are somehow now honorable or even fit for duty. Conduct unbecoming is just that. Even though Trump might this the behaviors of this individual are honorable, it isn't up to him. He's lot the faith of his commanders, peers, and is a smear on the reputation of the Navy and all people in the service. He isn't going to be in prison, but he has NO place in uniform. He is a disgrace. A pardoned disgrace, but still a disgrace. This is EXACTLY why Trump should not get involved in stuff like this.

Response by COL David S. made Nov 21 at 2019 8:07 AM

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Another attempt to thwart the intent of the President of the United States. This attempt is petty and unworthy of a flag officer.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2019 10:27 AM

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I think the SEALs are an elite organization that chooses it's own standards and members must meet rigorous and constant assessment.
Whatever one thinks of Chief Gallagher, a whole lot of shit came up in the proceedings that pitted SEAL Team members against each other. There is NO WAY that the community will be able to trust one another in the way that they must after this. His time in Navy Special Warfare is done.

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Nov 21 at 2019 5:21 PM

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I think it a dangerous thing for the President to overrule a UCMJ issue. I support the President on most issues, but not here. This is not a decision that will assist in maintaining good order and discipline within the ranks. President Trump showed terrible judgement here and he basically spit in the face of our military justice system. The man was tried, convicted and sentenced.
I suppose now anyone convicted of misconduct in a time of war deserves a Presidential review. Talk about a can of worms.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2019 7:52 PM

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Hell no

Response by SGT Kenneth Partyka made Nov 24 at 2019 6:42 AM

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No, they should not. That would be "retaliation" which is expressly forbidden in Federal Law. It's probably in the UCMJ too. Gallagher was acquitted of most of the charges. His rank was restored by POTUS. That should be end of story. Now if they actually do remove his Trident or kick him out due to all of this, there is a problem...again, retaliation. Until an action is take to negatively effect Gallagher because of all of this, it should be left alone. There is no basis at this point to charge the Chain of Command with anything.

Response by SGM Darrel Shanks made Nov 24 at 2019 11:05 AM

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As the President and Commander in Chief he has the Authority of override any verdict set down by subordinate commanders and military courts.
President Obama pardoned multiple persons convicted of treason against the United States, and I don’t remember anyone resigning over that.
It’s clear, As an officer if you can’t follow the orders of the president resign, and don’t try to use the lame excuse “I’m trying to effect change from with in”. Just get out.
As for this SEAL, I personally wouldn’t have restored his rank but no one asked me.
I support my President like the oath of service states.
So let him go off into the world and live his life with full honors.

Response by Sgt Ivan Boatwright made Nov 24 at 2019 4:41 PM

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Actually, looking back at my time in the Marines, I should have been jailed as a PFC. My only salvation was the failure of those above me. Later, I still did as I believed but I understood what I was doing then. I was still bucking orders. I am stubborn when I believe I am right. I believe today we have too many yes men in government or greedy men.

Response by SPC Brian Pritchard/Hall made Nov 24 at 2019 7:58 PM

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Good bye and loss of retirement.

Response by PO1 John Hudson made Nov 24 at 2019 8:36 PM

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Strongly concur. Trump should not interfere with military justice. He has no idea how the United States military works. Leave decisions to those placed in positions of authority.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Nov 24 at 2019 9:12 PM

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It is truly funny how so many of you there seem to have such a problem with Trump getting involved in Military Court Marshals. But do not have any problems with Obama pardoning Drug dealers.
Killing a terrorist is the job of today's military. not unlike killing the North Vietnamese or North Koreans
or the Chinese in both of those wars. none of you out there should be condemning the men on the lines for there actions unless you were there and saw what happened. NOT by what some arm chair none warfighter thinks should have happened.

Response by SFC Freddie Porter made Nov 24 at 2019 11:40 PM

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I’m having a real difficult time withe a couple of things going on right now including this discussion. Regarding this discussion, the tone being taken by military members here seems to be running close to the boarder of disobeying our oath to obeying the order of those appointed over us. As much as a PV1 has a lawful duty to obey the lawful orders of his/her squad leader, General Officers and Flag Officers have a duty and have sworn an oath to obey the orders of the civilian elected CiC of the armed forces. If the orders given are unlawful than there is a duty to disobey the orders given but there are also consequences to that action. If I cannot follow orders given, I bare the responsibility to leave the military and oppose the CiC in the political arena as my conscience dictates. We do not have the option of publicly opposing the orders of our Platoon SGT or Company Commander any more than we can oppose orders given by the CiC. “Oh, he never served so, he has no understanding about deploying to a war zone. Therefore, I will not deploy and, I’ll make a public statement about it”. That seems to be willful and contemptuous disobedience to orders. Simply because someone achieves a higher rank does not allow them to show contemptuous disregard for the orders of the CiC. And when we use our rank in discussing these matters, we need to keep an awareness to that particular requirement. I did not like, nor respect, Pres Clinton under any condition but, I would never, ever state that in public to anyone while he was in office and while using my rank or being in uniform. Trying to take any further action either through UCMJ or administrative action towards any service member involved in this matter appears to be in direct contradiction of the orders of the CiC. Simply said, while using my rank, this is not a matter of my public disagreement, no matter how I might feel. We follow the orders of the CiC or we get out. We have no absolute right to serve in the military. If I loose my physical health, I can be eliminated no matter what civilians think or what standard they try to apply. The President of the United States, the CiC, has made his wishes known and has so issued an orders to that affect. Follow orders or get out and run for political office or join the 4th estate (the press corps).

Response by SSG Tom Montgomery made Nov 25 at 2019 12:53 AM

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Pardoning service members is a tremendous step in the right direction. To sully that by charging senior officers would be wrong.

Response by LT David Schmidt made Nov 25 at 2019 8:30 AM

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John, with all due respect, you are focusing on the innocent instead of the guilty. Punishing any of the courageous people standing up for the military's standards and values - not to mention basic defense of the Geneva Convention - would be a travesty. It was pResident Trump (typo intended) who overturned the rightful UCMJ findings and punishments here. He has caused enough damage in this situation and countless others without adding naked retribution against persons who dare to question his decision-making.

Response by LT David Schmidt made Nov 25 at 2019 8:34 AM

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Simply put, CPO Gallagher should BE IN JAIL. He committed horrific crimes. He was tried for premeditated murder, attempted murder, obstruction of justice, posing for a photo with a casualty, and other offenses. He was found guilty of one of them.

He even threatened to kill any fellow SEAL who reported his crimes. Almost all of his SEAL teammates who witnessed the events gave sworn testimony of his disgusting actions.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Nov 25 at 2019 10:38 AM

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Well looky here another place to bash Trump Have fun folks.

Response by LT David Schmidt made Nov 25 at 2019 3:30 PM

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For those claiming to be in support of the rule of law, UCMJ, etc. on this thread: I would honestly like to know your opinion about (1) CPO Gallagher and his willful insubordination on Fox News days ago, detailed here (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/navy-seal-eddie-gallagher-trashes-superiors-in-fox-appearance-complete-insubordination), and likewise (2) Trump's decision to pardon Army First Lieutenant Clint Lorance and Army Major Mathew Golsteyn. There is Fox News video on YouTube if you want to see and hear the full context of Gallagher's comments.
I'll be watching for thoughtful responses. Hope that there will be some, instead of lecturing me on how we *should* act during wartime regardless of what the law says.

Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher Trashes Superiors in Fox Appearance: ‘Complete Insubordination’

Eddie Gallagher, the Navy SEAL previously facing a war crimes trial, serves under Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer and Rear Adm. Collin Green, but that didn't stop him from publicly trashing them on a Sunday appearance on Fox News.

Response by MAJ Eric Greek made Nov 25 at 2019 4:10 PM

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Yes, senior leadership needs to be cleared out on this one.
When accused of crime, even very serious ones, you are innocent until proven guilty. That is a bedrock principle of the constitution. It applies to both civilians and service members. Putting aside my many encounters of the military failing to investigate credible reports of war crimes, when they do decide to pursue charges, they actually have to prove guilt. The Navy had its chance and blew it, badly. Do you know what you call someone who is exonerated by a court martial panel? Innocent. Your personal feelings or mine on the matter are simply not relevant.

The Navy had the opportunity to appeal the findings of the court martial. They have refused, apparently acknowledging the evidential shortfall in their case. Instead, they have tried to maximize punishment for 'posing with a dead body'. Trump, whether you like him or not, is the Commander and Chief. Not not only issued guidance to stop these efforts, he officially pardoned Gallagher. That is the end of the process, full stop. There is no appeal. If senior Naval officials disagreed and genuinely believed that this would undermine military discipline, they had the option to resign rather tan follow the guidance. they elected not too, indicating that there disagreement was not quite as fundamental as they have allowed partisan politics to make it out to be.

There are serious problems with UCMJ. There are serious problem in Naval Special Warfare units that have become public knowledge. There are undoubtedly more that we do not know about. That breakdown in discipline occurred with senior leaders on the watch reporting to Congress that everything was all well and good. There are few, if any, prosecutions of misconduct during this period, validating the old adage that walking by a violation of standard sets a new standard. Combine that with emerging command interference on issues like sexual assault. Service members accused any kind of sex crime face railroad justice, and, again, senior officials over seeing this practice have signed off on it (to the point where the Navy's senior JAG was retired early for unlawful command influence).

Senior military leaders are no strangers to political interference in the UCMJ process. In this particular case, there appears to be a happy coincidence between the Navy's catastrophic misapplication of UCMJ and Trump's determination of a motivated political constituency. The same officials decrying Trump's intervention have had been silent when those interfering where senior military officials. In this particular case, the SECDEF was very correct to relieve SECNAV. He would be very correct to institute changes to the UCMJ that would eliminate this kind of political interference with military justice ... to include by the same commanders lamenting the President's, rather than their own, decisions on cases.

Response by 1SG Thomas Roman made Nov 25 at 2019 4:26 PM

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For everyone writing here, what part of "Commander" is not Understood. We have all seen injustices committed by All levels of Command, that's why we have the system we have.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Nov 25 at 2019 6:24 PM

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SPENCER'S SIDE DEAL?

Esper gave new details on Monday about why he fired Spencer, saying the Navy chief had sought to cut a side deal with the White House that was "contrary to what we had agreed to and contrary to Secretary Spencer's public position," in which he appeared to favor allowing the military justice process to go ahead.

"We learned that several days prior, Secretary Spencer had proposed a deal whereby if the President allowed the Navy to handle the case, he would guarantee that Eddie Gallagher would be restored to rank, allowed to retain his Trident and permitted to retire," Esper said.

Esper said he and Army General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had been completely caught off guard by the news. The Navy secretary, Esper said, had undermined everything Pentagon leadership had been collectively discussing with Trump.

Esper called Spencer and said he "was completely forthright in admitting what had been going on." Esper asked for Spencer's resignation letter on Sunday.

Response by TSgt Brian Herman made Nov 25 at 2019 6:28 PM

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My thoughts are, that as CIC, the President sets policy. The new policy as just set forth, puts an end towards the PC era in the military. THe job of the military is to kill people and blow shit up. Were the actions of the individual in question a particularly good idea? Probably not. However- military people who are actually involved in combat operations have earned an amount of lee way. Political correctness is the greatest threat this nation has faced, and I for one am extremely glad to see that there is starting to be some back lash to it!

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Nov 25 at 2019 6:38 PM

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Response by CPO Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols made Nov 26 at 2019 8:00 AM

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What he did was unacceptable. The Chief is the leader to follow and what he did clearly was not what you should follow. The President has shown disregard and disrespect for his military leaders and as a result, has opened a door that is dangerous... My opinion...

Response by PO2 Robert M. made Nov 26 at 2019 12:54 PM

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https://www.koaa.com/news/national-world-news/esper-says-trump-ordered-him-to-stop-seal-review-board

esper-says-trump-ordered-him-to-stop-seal-review-board

Response by SGT Jet West made Nov 26 at 2019 6:49 PM

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Such extreme micromanagement falls within the realm of the enlisted.
Under ordinary circumstances one would imagine a CIC's time and attention would be filled by other more weighty matters.

Better schedule a burning ceremony with the appropriate level of pomp and circumstance to mark the passing of: AR 600-20, 2-1.b & c.
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/11717264/ar-600-20-army-command-policy-army-publishing-directorate-

*****
BONUS QUESTION:
Now we just wait to see whether enlistments undergo a sharp rise or a precipitous decline. How difficult do you predict things are going to get for recruiters next year? How difficult?

AR 600-20, Army Command Policy - Army Publishing Directorate ...

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Response by SFC Kenny Cockrum made Nov 26 at 2019 7:20 PM

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I think POTUS needs to stay out of UCMJ actions. I also wonder why this one guy was singled out and all those other SMs skated. JMHO.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Nov 26 at 2019 7:41 PM

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If a person is pardoned, legally he should be restored to what he was before the offense. I also understand that the military is a little more complicated than civilian life. If someone from a bank embezzled money and was pardoned he wouldn't get his job back. He just wouldn't be in jail. So I think the best solution to this would be just let him go with what he has. Retirement awards (that he earned) etc. Doesn't Bill Clinton still get a pension and Secret Service protection? And people still call him Mr. President. Does a Seal who risked his life for the country deserve less? I think President Trump is just trying to recognize that he is one of our heroes and sometimes heroes have to do things that regular people don't understand. I don't think this warrants a fight between the Commander in Chief and his commanders. Just let it be

Response by Maj Ted Mc Neel Sr. made Nov 27 at 2019 10:00 AM

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Two Star Rear Admiral Collin Green should have stopped any review of CPO Gallagher expulsion from the SEALS and taking away his TRIDENT Pin by a board of SEAL personnel when President Trump had already restored Gallagher to the rank of Chief Perry Officer and stated he would retire as a SEAL I look forward to Rear Admiral Green's letter of resignation and retirement from the U. S. Naval Service for failure to take heed of our Commander In Chief direction in regard to CPO Gallagher.

Response by PO1 George White made Nov 27 at 2019 10:14 AM

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A military that does not function with Gen Patton's "One tactical principle" as the prime operating directive is not a military I would want my grandchildren to serve. The clown that dreamed up the "Rules of engagement" concept to handcuff the military in combat deserves to be shot for betrayal.

It is an outrage to all of our dead military going back to the Vietnam war that politics is allowed to rule the men in combat.

Response by AA Richard Tallini made Nov 27 at 2019 11:29 AM

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So now you have a micro-managing, draft dodger, Commander in Chief... GOOD LUCK!

Response by CW4 Robert Mixon made Nov 27 at 2019 1:10 PM

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Dump the MF

Response by GySgt James Hart made Nov 27 at 2019 5:53 PM

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If you served in the field you would agree the decisions must be made by the one facing the enemy,not someone not there. He should never have been charged.

Response by CPL Gerald Fredrick made Nov 28 at 2019 10:33 AM

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My opinion is the President. should have not stuck his nose in something he dies not understand. And leadership like Spencer know better to follow the chain of command, rather than playing games. The military can only function properly when they followh the riles and laws and are committed to the Constitution,even when that means defying an illegal order. I dont get a pass if I kill someone and. neither should a military officer. its not gamesmanship its life or death consequences.

Response by HN Sheldon Nadler made Nov 28 at 2019 3:35 PM

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The President of the Unites States is the Commander-in-Chief and the military officers have no say in what he does or does not do!

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Nov 28 at 2019 4:13 PM

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I totally disagree with you since you have n’t work in the special Force Community.
This folks are in a different level therefore many Soldiers had taken pictures with dead bodies, it doesn’t constitute a call marshal or rent deduction.
This isn’t a rule or policy too stop them from doing what they do.
Unless you have experience with SF Community you will understand why they do what they do.

Response by SSG Dan Willmont made Nov 29 at 2019 12:45 PM

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Secretary Spencer is a civilian, he is not subject to UCMJ.

Response by SFC Freddie Porter made Nov 29 at 2019 4:55 PM

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Okay all, one final thought on this subject and than I’ll go away. I’ve seen it alluded to that although President Trump is the CinC of the armed forces that he does not have the constitutional authority to issue direct orders unless it is given him by US Code Annotated.. I’ve also seen it referred to that he was not a soldier and thus without understanding of the demands of military leadership, duties and responsibilities.

I’d like people here to ask themselves, under what authority did Lincoln relieve the “do nothing” Generals who were in command at the outset of the Civil War (incidentally the bulk of which were West Point graduates)? The U.S. Army was commanded first by Gen McDowell (first battle of Bull Run/Manasses) and than by Gen George McClellan. Neither shared Lincoln’s vision of prosecuting that war. They were both relieved by the CinC. Many of the subordinate Generals were also relieved for failing to carry out Lincoln’s vision regarding the prosecution of that war. That is how General Grant became the commander of all the Northern Armies. Interesting also was Lincoln’s limited exposure to military service. It was necessary for him to take crash courses in military tactics and procedures under the tutorship of General Winfield Scott and Gen Meigs. Lincoln became a follower of von Clausewitz during this period also.

So, for the critics of the Presidents involvement in this matter, under what authority did President Truman relieve General of the Army (5 stars) during the Korean conflict?

Isn’t it the responsibility of the President of the United States to become directly involved when the senior leadership of the military fails to carry out his directives and orders regarding good order and discipline and the prosecution of the foreign affairs of the nation (and that includes the wars of the nation)? And yes, the conflict in Afghanistan was sanctioned by an overwhelming majority vote of the Congress when President Bush requested it

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Nov 30 at 2019 11:36 AM

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What the CINC does is way above my pay scale. A previous President pardoned a known spy who was court martialed and less is being said about that. Both actions are their prerogatives.

Response by Sgt Dale Boston made Nov 30 at 2019 3:35 PM

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well in a perfect world scenario i would agree strongly, this will be debatable for the next 100 years or more, one thing i do know, we wont be around to see it one way or another.

Response by SP6 Greg Jetter made Nov 30 at 2019 9:01 PM

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Yes he should , the people in question used the UCMJ to execute a policy of political correct words and deeds , they abused their power , they abandoned the war fighters in favor of their political masters in the Democrat party. They abandoned good order and displine in favor of what plays well with the press and their Democrat masters .

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2019 12:06 PM

2019-12-01T12:06:38-05:00

Let's put this in a little perspective here. Imagine you were a squad leader and a member in your squad screwed up. You consulted with your chain of command in the correct order and decided to provide discipline to your squad member and carried it out. Because that squad member did something that was publicized, the Division commander came behind you and reversed your decision. As the squad leader, you know your squad member better than anyone else and you know what your squad member did was wrong. And now that the Division commander reversed your decision, (which was vetted and approved by your chain of command) the entire squad, and largely the Company is now free to screw up in the same way your squad member did, with impunity.

Would this situation change your view?

Response by 1SG Frank Rangel made Dec 2 at 2019 1:05 PM

2019-12-02T13:05:50-05:00

the presidents actions have under minded a system that requires for a service member to act in an inhumane manner to the enemy forces, to be held accountable those acts of insanity and disrespect to the deceased. How would your family feel if that picture taken of their loved one being displayed as a war trophy, is on the cover of some new media?

Response by 1SG Frank Rangel made Dec 2 at 2019 1:17 PM

2019-12-02T13:17:04-05:00

should be discharge as is and be given a medical discharge based on the serviceman inability to reason what is mentally sound(PTSD).

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Dec 2 at 2019 1:55 PM

2019-12-02T13:55:46-05:00

Unless they violate a direct order like Secretary Spencer, no charges necessary. But RADM Green and ADM Gilday should seriously consider whether or not they want to continue to lead Armed Forces. If they have an ethical problem with respecting the CINC they should honorably resign their commissions and enter the private sector.

Response by 1SG Bernhard Mattulat made Dec 2 at 2019 7:36 PM

2019-12-02T19:36:17-05:00

Read through most of the comments over this issue and it would seem that the site is turning more to politics rather than addressing military issues. One may be the CIC, but that doesn't mean I have to like him, respect him, or KHA. I DO need to follow lawful orders, even ones I don't like, to the best of my ability. That's the rules I agreed to when I "Upped and Re-Upped". I'll move on to another "political site" to express my opinions of the current person who occupies the Oval Office and wears the CIC hat.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2019 1:51 PM

2019-12-03T13:51:29-05:00

You are an idiot. The President ventured out of his lane into the the Admirals. The admiral did nothing wrong.

Response by CW3 Brian Litton made Dec 3 at 2019 6:52 PM

2019-12-03T18:52:26-05:00

I agree, he should be charged with insubordination. It makes no difference if the military member knows more than the Commander in Chief, it’s the fact that the constitution says the President is the final authority and the senior Navy leadership tried to do an end around on the President.

I’m sure MacArthur knew more than Truman BUT when the President says this is the way we are going, that’s the end of the story.

Truman was correct to fire MacArthur and Trump should take action against any military commander who doesn’t follow the letter and the spirit of the President’s lawful orders.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Dec 5 at 2019 8:58 AM

2019-12-05T08:58:34-05:00

Well Harry Truman did it to Douglas McArthur in the 1950's, fired him.

Response by SSG Bobby Richardson made Dec 5 at 2019 2:22 PM

2019-12-05T14:22:54-05:00

The UCMJ was followed to begin with. By reaching down into a military proceeding the way he did and forcing the Navy to allow Galleghar to retire *as a SEAL*, Trump as good as said that this guy is the same as all the other SEAL's & service-members who served with honor and professionalism.

Trump is President and Commander-In-Chief. He is *still* a civilian. His job as CIC is, with the consuiltation of the House & Senate, is to decide whether or not to deploy military force,and where.It is not his job to arbitrarily overrule the results of a properly conducted UCMJ action just because he doesn't like the results. Further, it promotes the idea that the U.S. military can commit war crimes at will and face no repercussions.

This entire situation already has a stain on it because Trump got involved. Trying to "prosecute the prosecutors" would turn a stain into a stank.

Response by SGT John Peacock made Dec 5 at 2019 3:11 PM

2019-12-05T15:11:17-05:00

Is truly sad that this entire case is serving the purposes of our true enemy only. To divide the military by politicizing it. Isn't doing that supposed to be illegal? The reasons for keeping the military out of politics is as plain as the nose on your face. A politically divided force is a weak force, which is exactly what our enemies want. It's exactly what our enemies are currently doing to the civilian population. Our enemies are dividing us so that they can conquer us, plain & simple. If you can't see it, count yourself among the many who are already blinded by the enemy.

Response by SPC Henry Francis made Dec 5 at 2019 11:44 PM

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Gallagher was acquitted of every serious criminal charge he faced. He was convicted of letting his picture be taken with a dead terrorist... hardly worthy of more than loss of some pay and a reprimand. Secretary Spencer personally initiated the Trident Review Board for THAT infraction. In his op ed Spencer said (about Trump) that it is highly unusual for commanders to get involved in personnel matters. Apparent, he did not recognize his own highly unusual involvement in Gallagher’s punishment for having his picture taken. Trump acted to STOP Spencer from taking his unusual action and Spencer STILL tried to go around the president and donor anyway. He is fortunate to only be fired. A low ranking officer would get fried!

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Dec 9 at 2019 9:15 PM

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The President should leave this matter to the Navy's leadership. His "wish for the military" is contrary to order and discipline. Mr. Trump does not have the authority to dishonorably discharge any military service member, although he might be able to reduce a four-star admiral or general in rank to his or her permanent grade. And, of course, Secretary Spencer is not under the UCMJ. CPO Gallagher acted irresponsibly and was appropriately punished, but was afforded an honorable retirement at his rank. He has been treated more than fairly.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Dec 14 at 2019 10:47 AM

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Yes.
He is subordinate to our Commander n Chief.
He was not given an illegal order.
He doesn't have any more authority or privalege to disrespect a Superior than any of his subordinats do.
Leading by example, also means "facing the music" for your misdeeds.

Response by GySgt James Hart made Dec 14 at 2019 11:02 AM

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Green was making decisions on what fit

Response by SFC James Thurman made Dec 23 at 2019 10:48 AM

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It doesn’t matter what the opinions you have, the facts are as the constitution sets forth, that we are all Oath bound by, that the end decision is made by the civilian leadership. What this means for the military service members and the civilian government is follow the constitution and willingly do what you’re supposed to and support it as if it is your own idea. This has been lost in the last few years and not for the better, it’s starting to sound like the 70’s and lack of discipline can be pervasive. If you don’t agree fine, but remember your oaths and those taken by the leaders that failed in theirs, they’re guilty of not following the orders of those appointed over them and not living up to the spirit of the orders and the constitution.

Response by SFC Adam Miller made Dec 28 at 2019 5:17 PM

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The way I see it is President Trump did the same thing President Obama did when he pardoned Bergdahl and Manning.

Response by SFC Benjamin Varlese made Dec 29 at 2019 8:10 PM

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Let’s all remember the determination of guilt or innocence in the UCMJ is “preponderance of the evidence” which means more than 50% likely one way or the other. Even with all the prosecutorial malfeasance, they were still not able to effectively present their case on all but one BS charge and didn’t even charge the others present in the same photo.
The conduct of the senior Navy leadership in the wake of the verdict and POTUS’s decision to reinstate Chief Gallagher’s rank is abhorrent and should be punished accordingly. The military has become a petri dish for whatever PC, social justice nonsense fringe extremists and partisan zealots are pushing for at any given point in time; readiness, morale, and retention have all suffered because of it. Senior officers need to quit with knee-jerk policy decisions that undermine those three things and start saying “no“ to blind civilian outrage over tactics, techniques, and procedures they don’t fully understand.

Response by SSgt Tracy Kawasaki made Dec 29 at 2019 10:22 PM

2019-12-29T22:22:22-05:00

I understand from the posts, many of you support Gallager's actions.
In the future when American service members are executed after capture. When the enemy kills American civilians, I hope you have the decency to keep your mouth shut. By defending this war criminal, you ARE giving permission for our enemies to do the same.
If by chance that enemy is tried and the head of that country pardons him, I would expect you to accept it without complaint.

Response by SSG Robert Clark made Jan 1 at 2020 11:31 PM

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ok, for one, the POTUS is the C and C, but I don't think he should be involving himself in military discipline, he can, i just don't think he should. Having said that I will say this however. They could take away my "V" designation, and even take my tab. But no one can make me (NOT A RANGER) It's been earned, it's in my blood and it is in my soul, just like almost every S.E.A.L. I have ever trained with or known. Regardless of the outcome of this situation, (BTW, I am happy they are not taking his Trident) but even if they did, he is a S.E.A.L. till the day he dies. The pin, or tab, is nice, but it is in the heart that counts.
RLTW!!

Response by SGT Mark Friedman made Jan 13 at 2020 8:02 PM

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At the end of the day, whether any of us like it or not, Mr. Trump is the Commander in Chief. And although I am a conservative Republican and a Trump supporter, I don't think this was a gooy decision. Second guessing Flag grade officers in a UCMJ action that was this high of a profile was terrible for morale all over the place.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2020 8:31 PM

2020-01-13T20:31:08-05:00

It sucks to see this happen. But i cant see how an admiral would see this as a smart decision given the risk / reward here. Why not just let this pass, learn from it and allow government and military leaders to review their ucmj issues behind closed doors? That seems much smarter in my opinion.

Response by SPC John Hills made Jan 14 at 2020 3:28 PM

2020-01-14T15:28:22-05:00

We train them to go where others cannot. We cannot expect an elite force to be effetive without having thre back. Yes they should be charged. War is not fair

Response by SR George Porter made Jan 14 at 2020 6:24 PM

2020-01-14T18:24:15-05:00

I Agree, Trump should never be involve, the Secretary of the navy should make those decision.

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Jan 14 at 2020 11:19 PM

2020-01-14T23:19:27-05:00

This is a rather obtuse question as the former SECNAV is a civilian. Followed by the question of what specific acts did or did not these Admirals do to warrant UCMJ action?

Response by CPO Kim Hanthorn made Jan 16 at 2020 11:02 AM

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How many in Vietnam vets that did worst Than Chief Gallagher, and never had to face UCMJ charges. It’s not like he burned down a village filled with women and children. Yet I wasn’t there. I will tell you this. I’ve seen our young men and women coming back from that shit hole desert. I attended some funerals, and I see the faces every day I’m awake. If you don’t think for one minute that I wouldn’t have done worst to those heathens that kill, maim, dismember, or hang our dead from a bridge than Chief Gallagher and the others Have been tried for, think again. I think the President is doing an OUTSTANDING job providing for and protecting our active, reserve, and retired military members. It’s a tough job. It’s refreshing to know that SOMEONE actually gives a fuck about our military, and it’s Vetrans. To all of you back seat drivers, if you think you can do better, step up to the plate. I despise those who try to “quarterback” while sitting in your recliner watching CNN. Get off your asses and find the truth. Your not going to get it from the MSM! No one here is perfect, and while you live in your glass house, you probably shouldn’t be throwing rocks. I love and respect our President, and I wish I could have had him sign my retirement papers rather than Obama.

Response by PO2 Michael Rickey made Jan 16 at 2020 7:10 PM

2020-01-16T19:10:45-05:00

If he is guilty, strip. Him of rank and fine him. The t grow him out w an oth.

Response by SN Everett Childers made Jan 16 at 2020 8:30 PM

2020-01-16T20:30:37-05:00

This "Commander n Chief" needs to take his bone spurs with him and stay out of military matters.

Response by PO3 Scot Fahey made Jan 17 at 2020 6:57 PM

2020-01-17T18:57:09-05:00

Commander in Chief. Love him or not, insubordination, and refusal or failure to follow lawful orders come at a price. the various JAG offices got caught, more than once. RAdm Green made a choice. Allow him to retire. anything more looks like retaliation, and that is not good for the service in the long run.

Response by MAJ Edgar S OteroMuniz made Jan 17 at 2020 7:28 PM

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He is the CinC and he can remove anybody by way of “distrust in leadership”. For the one who called him a draft dodger shame on you. I didn’t know Obama was Prior Service while the Don was in a Military Academy. He is doing an Outstanding job as a CinC and as far as he does it right he can do whatever he wants for our benefit unlike his predecessor. I lost great Soldiers thanks to Obama but I always respected him because he was my CinC. It doesn’t matter if the President is Bozo the clown

Response by PFC Frederick Morrow made Jan 18 at 2020 10:51 AM

2020-01-18T10:51:05-05:00

Yes, he should and I disagree with the MSG Stan Hutchinson. Trump may have dodged the draft he may have even wanted to dodge it many folks don't serve for a variety of reasons. Although it is not the same he did spend time in Military Academy, so he knows the structure and rules. He should discipline those who are undermining his authority, like it or not. Insubordination I believe is the charge.
In general. Article 91 has the same general objects with respect to warrant, non-commissioned, and petty officers as Articles 89 and 90 have with respect to commissioned officers, namely, to ensure obedience to their lawful orders, and to protect them from violence, insult, or disrespect. Unlike Articles 89, and 90, however, this article does not require a superior-subordinate relationship as an element of any of the offenses denounced. This article does not protect an acting non-commissioned officer or acting petty officer, nor does it protect military police or members of the shore patrol who are not warrant, non-commissioned, or petty officers.
The President, like him or not is the Commander and Chief and his wishes and or orders should be taken seriously and in spirit with those wishes. If an officer or even a MSG doesn't like it one can resign their commission or the enlisted can wait out till their time is up. Just my thoughts on the matter.

Response by SFC Dane Clarke made Jan 18 at 2020 8:35 PM

2020-01-18T20:35:08-05:00

It's a shame, POTUS overruled Commanders, pretty much trampled on the UCMJ. I'm definitely getting out.

Response by SSG Red Hoffman made Jan 19 at 2020 3:05 AM

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In war, people get killed. It is the enemy’s job to die. When a US military member arranges that to happen, he/she should not be punished for it. High ranking officers take actions as they did against Gallagher because of nothing more than political correctness and pressure from the media. I am glad Trump intervened. Gallagher is a decorated hero IMHO. Desk jockeys should have handled this in house with minimal punishment.

Response by SGT Chuck Taylor made Jan 19 at 2020 5:40 AM

2020-01-19T05:40:25-05:00

I feel that they were trying to uphold the office of command. I feel trump stepped way out of line.l also feel that a draft Dodger should never determine military justice. They have no clue of the responsibility of how we discharge our duties. He has created a rift in the system that will have long lasting repercussions.

Response by PO3 David Mabo made Jan 19 at 2020 2:13 PM

2020-01-19T14:13:10-05:00

The Secretary is not subject to the UCMJ. He is serving as a civilian. As for the Admirals, they were following the rules set forth by the SecDef and SecNav. The penalty for the SecNav is dismissal or resignation. The penalty for the Admirals is dismissal or retirement. All pentalties are up to the SecNav, SecDef or CINC.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Jan 19 at 2020 6:48 PM

2020-01-19T18:48:09-05:00

Once again he is trying to make law when he has no authority. Pardon, does not reinstate his status as an honorable member of the SEALs. That can only be done bye those who accept individuals in to their organization. Draft Dodgers are no exception.

Response by SSG Michael Doolittle made Jan 19 at 2020 11:18 PM

2020-01-19T23:18:01-05:00

Credibility would be back if Trump would stay the hell out of the military ranks... He has already disgraced himself and acted in way unbecoming of any Commander in Chief by calling the Military Leadership, The Chairman of the JCS a bunch of sissy's and cry babies... This draft dodger needs to be impeached for his many crimes... The enabling Senate is afraid of doing their Constitutional DUTY, and are equally cowards...

Response by PO3 Michael Wiedenhoeft-Wilder made Jan 20 at 2020 3:31 AM

2020-01-20T03:31:27-05:00

It pains me to see Trump destroy the U.S. military and everything it stands for. He’s making a mockery out of the UCMJ. The draft dodger in chief has destroyed the historic credibility of our nation’s military. He has used the military for political purposes which is completely wrong. Now, he has destroyed the credibility of the joint chiefs of staff by calling them names because he’s a fuc*king moron. When he wore a maggots hat on to the field of the Army Navy game he again used the military for political purposes. In my opinion, deep down Trump hates the military because he feels Intellectually inferior to the admirals and generals. We should amend the constitution to disqualify anyone from being president who dodged the draft. I just hope the UCMJ and the military are strong enough to survive Trump’s pathetic presidency.

Response by LTC John Bush made Jan 24 at 2020 10:02 AM

2020-01-24T10:02:23-05:00

The President is the Commander in Chief period. Your oath requires that you obey all appointed ove you. The Commander in chief has exercised his legal authority period.

Response by SrA Wesley Whittaker made Jan 24 at 2020 12:32 PM

2020-01-24T12:32:07-05:00

@MSG Stan Hutchison I hope your opinion was consistent for Clinton. I would hate to think a senior NCO didn't have solid ethics and integrity of thought.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2020 9:20 AM

2020-02-04T09:20:32-05:00

Secretaries get fired. Officers get dismissed, same as a Dishonorable.

Response by SP6 Christopher Haydon made Feb 12 at 2020 12:59 PM

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I began my military service as a Combat Engineer, but because of my education level and command of language and grammar I was chose to replace the Battalion Legal Clerk in 1967 when he volunteered for Vietnam. It was OJT to the max, and I kept my head in the UCMJ for months. I had great help from the Deputy SJA at 3rd AD in Frankfurt, and even got to sit in on Article 32 hearings and a civilian murder trial. I still trained as an Engineer, but my duties were that of the Legal Clerk. After being assigned to an Artillery Battalion in Vietnam as a Combat Engineer II know, right?) I learned I would be replacing the 2nd year law student who was being transferred to IFFV HQ in Nha Trang. Legal Clerk once again. It turns out that MAJ Frank O'brien, former Dei SJA at the 3rd AD had spotted my info coming through and had requested that I be sent to the 1/92 Arty. All of this has bearing on the current question. In Europe, during the Cold War, we were allowed great liberty on the civilian economy, and troops would get into trouble. Maintaining good order and discipline was priority one for my position, and maintaining the integrity of the chain of command was the heart of that mission. Fast forward to Vietnam and a combat role for my unit, and it became a matter of life and death. Chainof command was crucial to accomplishing our mission, which became more hazardous in April 1969 when we became the first artillery unit to lose all US ground force support in the Vietnam War after Nixon's election. The 1/92 Field Arty and the 299th Combat Engineers were left with an area of operations that was 1200 miles square and incorporated 200 miles of the Cambodian Border. What would ur level of effectiveness been, and our rate of casualties within the unit had we not been able to maintain an integral chin of command? That is what the UCMJ is for, and it functioned very well for us.

We now have a Commander in Chief who has taken it upon himself to countermand the decisions of the military and the Rule of Law under the UCMJ to, in my opinion, illegally overturn a court decision and circumvent the Chain of Command at the highest level. This undermines the good order and discipline of the military and endangers all of our missions worldwide. I was taught that I was obligated to follow all orders from superior officers and NCOs - UNLESS THEY WERE ILLEGAL ORDERS! Regardless of where the orders came from to pardon these criminals, the CIC's interference with military discipline qualifies as detrimental to the military and needs to be corrected before we slide into a dictatorship.

Response by PO2 Lawrence Janiec made Feb 13 at 2020 2:46 AM

2020-02-13T02:46:10-05:00

I don't think President Trump should provide anything except a resignation and/or a "guilty" plea to charges against him.

Response by CPL Robert Solitro made Feb 13 at 2020 5:53 AM

2020-02-13T05:53:07-05:00

He is a sick man

Response by PFC Robert Rudy made Feb 13 at 2020 1:38 PM

2020-02-13T13:38:01-05:00

I feel you get paid to do what your boss needs you to do. If a person feels he does want to follow orders he should find a new job

Response by MSgt Larry Sims made Feb 13 at 2020 1:53 PM

2020-02-13T13:53:01-05:00

If we look at who people were in the past, none are really that great to do anything. But if you look at what the President has done for the military and this nation. The draft dodger things gets old fast. It is about who you are now and what you do now. Not old tried excuses..I thank God for a President who puts America first.

Response by SGT Romeo Reyes made Feb 14 at 2020 12:09 PM

2020-02-14T12:09:15-05:00

Trust the Navy leadership. They’ve earned that position. Give the seal the boot.

Response by SFC Kennith Chambers made Feb 14 at 2020 12:43 PM

2020-02-14T12:43:56-05:00

How can the president have any say when it comes to the Military, he's a coward, draft dodger and never served in any way, shape or form. He's not fit to be the President of America.

Response by CPL Diana Rosgallio made Feb 14 at 2020 3:59 PM

2020-02-14T15:59:30-05:00

Bull Sheet ! Leave the man alone.

Response by SGT Tim Coil made Feb 15 at 2020 12:47 PM

2020-02-15T12:47:21-05:00

Since when has the UCMJ had any credibility? They don't say "different spanks for different ranks" for no apparent reason. What!? You though someone just came up with that phrase out of the blue for no apparent reason. Not hardly. I've seen good people drummed out of the military because so called "superiors" didn't like the personality of a certain person. I've seen an officer drummed out because he wanted his troops to have an air conditioner in their work area before he got one and it made his overlord look bad. Can't have your commander look bad by setting a good example! Just look at our justice system today, corrupt as heck. The UCMJ is a tool for corrupt people to protect themselves.

Response by CPO John Bjorge made Feb 16 at 2020 7:56 AM

2020-02-16T07:56:14-05:00

Trump need to get out of the way of all legal actions taking place. It does not matter if the are against Active Duty Military or Civilians. His approach to all of this is undermining the system. No matter what he does it is wrong and if he feels he must step in wait until it over and then pardon them. Or is he taking these actions for the votes?

Response by Sgt William Margeson made Feb 16 at 2020 9:14 AM

2020-02-16T09:14:33-05:00

Crooked prosecutors, probable command influence ( greern ) should have vacated conviction. Trump had to do it. Continued activity to remove Chief Gallagher indicative of Obama era , and not worthy of Naval Officer Tradition

Response by SSG Lon Watson made Feb 16 at 2020 10:20 AM

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You Trump haters are a disgrace to the uniform!
1. He’s commander in Chief! Period! Live with it!
2. He’s not a draft dodger! Seeking legal mean to defer or avoid military service isn’t draft dodging. Running to Canada or Mexico or England (Bill Clinton), is draft dodging.
3. Chief Gallagher’s crime did not rise to level to warrant taking his trident. He was imprisoned for months in solitary confinement with no visits or other privileges. American corrections association (ACA) which military brigs are a member of should know that this is not right or legal. ACA regs were thrown out the window in his case. Which conditions he was in prison and her were worse than an animal shelter. Not only should he get to keep is Trident, he should sue and get monetary compensation. I have been involved in the jail and incarceration business for 11 years and we don’t treat murderers and rapists like they treated chief Gallagher.

Response by SSG Edward Joy made Feb 17 at 2020 5:46 PM

2020-02-17T17:46:05-05:00

Choose your battles wisely. Let it go move on.

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Feb 18 at 2020 12:08 PM

2020-02-18T12:08:07-05:00

POTUS couldn’t bring credibility back to the sun coming up in the East.

Response by CW2 Donald Feland made Feb 18 at 2020 10:31 PM

2020-02-18T22:31:23-05:00

YES, POTUS REALLY NEEDS TO CLEAN UP THE UCMJ BEFORE THE START OF THE PROSECUTION OF THE HIDEOUS PEOPLE IN THE SEALED INDICTMENTS. WE ARE OVER RUN WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE DISGUSTING TRAITORS. NO MORE !!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU FROM A FORMER CW2 ARMY GUNSHIP PILOT IN VIETNAM JUNE '67 TO JUNE '68

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Feb 19 at 2020 10:00 AM

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It is not up for debate when you state POTUS is the senior member of the chain of command. Therefore everyone works for him. ALL those in the military are subject to his orders whether the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs or an E2. You don't get to pick and choose which things you abide by...you abide by them all. If you want to gripe publicly about your superiors go work for Joes Bar and Grill (and see how long you last).
As far as Gallagher goes before people begin condemning these trigger pullers they should realize the repetitive deployments with short turn arounds are and always have been detrimental but never before like we see today.

Response by PO1 J D made Feb 19 at 2020 7:22 PM

2020-02-19T19:22:33-05:00

In my opinion the clown in chief should commit hari kiri and save our republic. BT1 ret

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Feb 19 at 2020 10:41 PM

2020-02-19T22:41:09-05:00

If the UCMJ’s credibility is lost then look at the active duty Commanders.
When I was Military Police if we stopped a vehicle for DUI and discovered the driver as an officer we were required to stop all test and turn the individual over to the Command Duty Officer, at the Officer Club behavior that would land a enlisted person in the brig was often ignored.
I always thought the U=uniform part meant it applies to all equally, silly me.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2020 12:33 AM

2020-02-20T00:33:16-05:00

MSgt Michael Smith I voted you down for saying that only your opinions matters. Sgt Robert Foti was very precise ant to the point and as for the caps lock I totally understand the anger behind his yelling and letting off steam

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2020 3:47 PM

2020-02-21T15:47:05-05:00

Let the military courts provide justice.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Feb 21 at 2020 7:47 PM

2020-02-21T19:47:29-05:00

The president does NOT have the right to say who gets court-martialed and who does not. He can intervene after the fact, but he can not initiate action, He can, however, request a flag officer to resign.

The real issue here is that the president needs to stop micro managing everything.

I hope the next time Eddie Gallagher inserts into a hostile zone, he gets fucking fragged. That will fix everything.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2020 8:20 PM

2020-02-27T20:20:36-05:00

Nah, remember these clowns are above UCMJ but will fuck down a junior enlisted the first chance they get

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Mar 16 at 2020 10:15 AM

2020-03-16T10:15:47-04:00

Well for one.. wtf are you talking about?? A President got involved in military judicial proceedings all for the sole fact that it made him look like he was fighting for an American patriot.. you can be a Patriot and still be a criminal, which this guy more than likely was... Aside from actually killing some terrorist kid, to threatening with death those he was to call Brothers.. and then gets butthurt when he actually gets pointed out for committing a serious crime.. thats why there should be no sense involvement whatsoever from any outside party in military justice proceedings.. cus we have people like you already siding with a President with less than 4 years if government involvement, thàn having the military common sense that comes with being a member of the military..

Response by SP6 Christopher Haydon made Mar 17 at 2020 8:02 PM

2020-03-17T20:02:37-04:00

Agreed. The character of our military at home and abroad reflects directly on all of us.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2020 8:35 AM

2020-03-24T08:35:13-04:00

I think making sure that Generals and CSM are charged the same as Privates for the same crimes would be a good start. Actually hitting them even harder would be best.

Private snuffy charged with sexual misconduct? Jail.

General at FT Bragg charged the same? reduction in rank gets to keep 06 retirement.

Actually had a SGM tell me the reason why they do this is because the high rankers have given more.

I would say, they should know even better but I ha e digress from the original post...

Sorry

But the President charging officers for doing their job off of the data they were given by a corrupt prosecution?

Not their fault UCMJ tied their hands and the secretary was backing his people.

Nothing wrong here

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2020 8:11 PM

2020-03-31T20:11:26-04:00

Politics should stay out of Military Courts.

Response by LTC Gary Earls made Apr 18 at 2020 12:37 PM

2020-04-18T12:37:10-04:00

Mr. Canning, have you been in combat??

Response by PFC Tom Ragland made Apr 20 at 2020 5:23 PM

2020-04-20T17:23:25-04:00

If he is/was ever a draft Dodger he has no creditability with me a Veteran. I would prefer to have all the White House upper level men and woman making decisions as to whom we need to blow up or have as allies. I would prefer in the near future after My President Trump's next term is up to have a Veteran in his Seat as the next President. I've got my eye on a Veteran out of Texas I would love to see run for President.(please forgive me I cannot remember his name right this secound.) I have brain trama and short term memory sucks lately. Anyway he has an eyepatch due to some injury I assume. I want to say he was maybe a former Seal member. I may be wrong. My point is we had Veteran presidents who had his military team of wWW1 WW2 VIETNAM ETC. But as is all things they became old Soldiers whom kids in the 60s wanted to serve and would willingly give up our lives for this great Country and all her people because our leaders did it. They also knew when to say enough is enough. Then bring our brothers home so that they may be with there loved ones during this time of uncertainty. Muslims have been at war with one another 1,000 plus years. We went to Aganistan Saudi , Q,hate. We kicked ass for what the did to us on our own soil. But those are the short reasons for Military Veterans in the Whitehouse. There's no place for draft Dodgers making decisions for me or my brothers and sister protecting our Country. We signed and took an oath of our own free will to protect the US at all cost. Like they say our oath does not have a warranty or expiration. God Bless our President Mr Donald Trump and family Godbless our Soldiers ,Godbless America and all who live under her flag.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Apr 26 at 2020 8:08 AM

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Your first mistake is putting faith in a "president"who has absolutely no idea how the UCMJ works. Your second mistake is failing to realize this current president has proven to be NO LEADER.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made May 6 at 2020 5:04 PM

2020-05-06T17:04:53-04:00

That may be your opinion but you are not the President of the United States. Presidents pardon criminals all the time. Obama pardoned Manning when he was leaving office. Jimmy Carter pardoned Bill Clinton for his draft dodging after he was convicted.

Response by SGT Ronald Blansett made May 11 at 2020 8:13 AM

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Sounds like you have never been in combat, were you at the trial.

Response by SGT Thomas Seward made May 24 at 2020 8:52 PM

2020-05-24T20:52:28-04:00

Secretary Spencer is a civilian and not under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ.

Response by SGT Lenise Hamilton made Jun 17 at 2020 9:26 PM

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Ok my Comrades, let's take this from the top, the true top. Now lets start with the Idiot-n-Chief sitting in the W/H. In my opinion, anyone that ducks out on serving in the Military when called upon, due to, so-called bone spurs, should not be playing the checkers game of "Your Fired", after UCMJ Board Members have spoken. It appears the institution and framework of the UCMJ Code as we once knew has been pushed into the path of erosion. The rule of law within the Military no matter what Branch or Rank should hold fast. If you did an awful act discrediting yourself and all the Military Forces, hold yourself accountable and take your just dues and move on....

Response by PO1 James White made Jun 29 at 2020 12:50 AM

2020-06-29T00:50:15-04:00

Regardless of your Political party or views, President Trump is the Commander In Chief.

Response by CPT Richard Kosinski made Jun 29 at 2020 7:24 AM

2020-06-29T07:24:12-04:00

Isn't it a tad disrespectful to those gentlemen for an SPC to advocate for a court martial of two Admirals and a Secretary? I pose a question to my colleagues who took a solemn oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. When the CIC loses the election in November, if he then orders a military overthrow of our government, will you obey that patently unlawful order? Many high ranking officers have pointedly signaled to the CIC that they will not allow our military to be used to destroy our country from within, despite Putin's plan.

Response by SPC Rostyslaw Caryk made Jun 29 at 2020 10:07 AM

2020-06-29T10:07:18-04:00

Maybe Trump should pay more attention to the intelligence report on the Russian bounties, before worrying about this? It think this fits the actual "dereliction of duty" standard.

Response by Cpl Ronald Hart made Jun 29 at 2020 4:22 PM

2020-06-29T16:22:27-04:00

they are Guilty

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Jun 30 at 2020 11:12 AM

2020-06-30T11:12:15-04:00

This case of the SEAL was more than a simple cut and dried issue. For me if the process was done according to procedure then no further action should be taken.
But I do believe that both active and retired flag rank officers need to shut their pie holes if they have a disagreement with the CinC or for that matter those officers who currently lead our military. Undermining the nations leadership should only occur within politics and flag ranking officers should either steer clear of that arena or surrender their retirement benefits. As we all know responsibility and accountability comes with rank and scrambled eggs on your cover only means those two things expand in importance.

Response by MSgt Mason Manner made Jul 1 at 2020 4:57 PM

2020-07-01T16:57:04-04:00

The POTUS needs to stay out of military justice except to commute a death sentence.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Jul 3 at 2020 11:49 AM

2020-07-03T11:49:43-04:00

I have my doubts about CPO Gallagher's conduct over in Af-Pak . IMO , He should not have been reinestated to the SEAL's, but forced out into retirement . So I can't judge any of his chain of command about their actions, I think they acted in good faith about Gallagher's conduct I don't think any of them warrant UCMJ action. And I don't think Trump should have gotten involved in the first place. But as POTUS and CiC he does have the right and the power to do so

"I stuck up for three great warriors against the deep state." -Trump. Sad that Trump doesn't realize these "warriors" are/were working for the deep state. As is the rest of the military, since the GWOT started, or perhaps long before, given what Smedley Butler had to say.

Best to just let this history be buried, and not to stir it up again.

Response by PO1 Steve Mitchell made Jul 4 at 2020 3:09 PM

2020-07-04T15:09:57-04:00

Sorry, nice try. I guess I should have never listened to Bill Clinton or Barrack Obama when they were Commanders in Chief....one was a draft dodger and the other was a liberal moron who hated the military. That's the chance you take with a military that's run by civilians. As for the Sr Chief who this article is about, are you aware that the Lawyer POGs spied on his lawyers by hacking their computers? Guess not. Did you even read to the trial testimony? Doubtful....if you did, you would have read that it was the team medic that stated in the trial that he was the one who was responsible for that 17 yr old terrorist dying.

Response by PO1 Steve Mitchell made Jul 4 at 2020 4:07 PM

2020-07-04T16:07:24-04:00

Talk about Draft Dodgers...Joe Biden....yep, he claimed to have asthma and Selective Service coded him 4F. He has spent his most of his life in politics.

Response by AN Bill McPhillips made Jul 4 at 2020 6:54 PM

2020-07-04T18:54:10-04:00

This question is absurd. The Commander in Chief is Putin's bitch and not qualified to operate a 7-11. He is a sociopathic narcissist elected as the result of Russian interference in our elections and he is doing everything in his power to destroy our democracy. Russia played upon the anti American, racist, fascist sentiments of the most ignorant, totalitarian leaning cretins in our society to get him elected. And, this question epitomizes that ignorance. There is no duty upon any flag officer to blindly follow the wishes of an incompetent fool, regardless of what office he occupies. The administration of Military Justice is based on ideals, standards, tradition and the UCMJ. It is not based on the whims of the Moron in Chief. Any service member who thinks otherwise is clearly a product of the defunding of education that was intentionally started 50 years ago or more, by the Party of Treason that has been trying to create the conditions necessary to change the nature of our government to pure oligarchy. They damned near succeeded. But for the corona virus it looks like the treasonous clown in the White House may have received a second term and succeeded in a power grab very similar to Adolph Hitler in 1930's Germany. However, enough of the clowns that voted him in are waking up to his complete and total incompetence and lack of fitness for any government jog, right down to dog catcher.

Response by AN Bill McPhillips made Jul 4 at 2020 6:59 PM

2020-07-04T18:59:46-04:00

The oath is to defend against ALL ENEMIES, foreign AND DOMESTIC. The treasonous clown in the White House is most definitely a domestic enemy. His entire presidency is an assault upon the Constitution. It is the Constitution that Americans owe their allegiance to, not clowns in government.

Response by HN Chris Robinette made Jul 5 at 2020 1:21 PM

2020-07-05T13:21:23-04:00

My feeling that I share with all military is this. Any person who wishes to run for political office from city counsel to president should be required to have served at least one 2 year term in the Military and honorable discharge. My reasoning is that most will be more willing to put the welfare of the people the serve before themselves.

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Jul 5 at 2020 10:19 PM

2020-07-05T22:19:22-04:00

Keep “I hate Trump” discussion off of this site. There are an endless number of political forums where this is appropriate. This is not one of them.

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made Jul 6 at 2020 9:14 AM

2020-07-06T09:14:49-04:00

We need to remember that the President is the Commander-in-Chief. Is there any rank in the military higher? Do you want to risk your career playing games with the President? Clearly, these Flag and General Grade officers were playing games by showing the President who sails the ship. Clearly, Admirals sail the ship, but guess who owns them? I'm not so sure about the UCMJ thing, but I do know politics. All the President has to do is inform these officers that "He has lost confidence in their ability to lead blah, blah and blah. Guess what? Your working at McDonalds now. These officers would do well to let things be. If this Chief is a real bung hole and does not know what he is doing (which I doubt is the case) then the Chief's Mess will handle it and it can get pretty rough in there. Suffice it to say, the old adage, "One aw shit, kills 10,000 atta boys" does not work in the Oval Office. What works is politics and public image. When it comes to shoot 'em up bang, bang kind of stuff, then the Pentagon can go hairy wild nuts and the Prez is hands off, but good Flag Officers should know the Law of Gross Tonnage and be the Give Way Vessel. Davy Jones Locker is filled with guys who thought they were fast guns. This theory works regardless of your rank.

Response by LTC Jim Graalum made Jul 6 at 2020 11:49 AM

2020-07-06T11:49:09-04:00

MSG Hutchison...
Seems you don't know the difference between a deferment and draft dodging.... Bill Clinton would have been closer to a draft dodger then President Trump, who had deferments.
Joe Biden has had 5 deferments also... i sure hope your not voting for that draft dodger and last point.
Bernie Sanders was a conscientious objector until he was to old then pulled his c.o. status because he was to old to be drafted

Response by SP6 Greg Jetter made Jul 6 at 2020 1:48 PM

2020-07-06T13:48:49-04:00

If the head of the Nave disobeys the President he should be removed .

Response by SPC Roy Martin made Jul 7 at 2020 8:24 AM

2020-07-07T08:24:04-04:00

The law is the law and it should apply to everyone or no one. I don't care who you are or what you have done you must answer for your crimes. BTW - The Commander and Chief is always a Constitutionally Elected civilian, that's the way it works.

Response by SPC John Tacetta made Jul 8 at 2020 1:04 PM

2020-07-08T13:04:01-04:00

That would have only worsened a bad situation. They spoke their conscience as any good leader must.

Response by Col John Madison made Jul 8 at 2020 7:12 PM

2020-07-08T19:12:23-04:00

As the late COL David Hackworth often spoke of, there are "perfumed princes" who have been promoted amidst the officer corps and they are all too often in lofty positions with little to no effectual experience in combat operations or support thereof. And if combat operations don't occur for a significant period of time, that experience is no where in their résumés. Those are the political junkies, who had the class rings or select membership/mentorship at the time of their promotions, and the march goes on, because like breeds like. One can have generations of a certain "type" of soldier, sailor, airman or Marine, and that's more likely to occur in the officer side of the house than the enlisted world. Why? Because the former is far more politically charged, especially at the flag officer ranks. That said, there can and there are echelons of promotions for such cheerleaders, and don't think for a nanosecond that they got there devoid of political leanings.

Response by A1C Darrell K Jackson made Jul 9 at 2020 12:02 PM

2020-07-09T12:02:03-04:00

He is still the Cmdr-N-Chief, just like the Democrat Pres. Clinton was. Let us keep politics out of it, so he can do his job.

Response by CPT Jim Kotva made Sep 16 at 2020 10:45 AM

2020-09-16T10:45:35-04:00

I agree

Response by CPT Jim Kotva made Sep 16 at 2020 10:46 AM

2020-09-16T10:46:10-04:00

I agree

Response by SSG Thomas DeBlaay made Sep 18 at 2020 1:05 AM

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I have a naive question. I have read many of these comments and there is an array of opinion. Orange man bad, the president is CIC, etc. Doesn't it take a certain group of 535 individuals, who can't agree on what's for lunch, to change the UCMJ which is arguably a flawed set of laws, to make changes?

Response by 1SG Stephen Dalton made Sep 18 at 2020 1:09 AM

2020-09-18T01:09:55-04:00

Bullshit, Trump can pardon whoever he wants, but he should stay out of actual military decisions.

Response by MAJ Alex Hernandez made Sep 18 at 2020 10:05 AM

2020-09-18T10:05:01-04:00

These leaders wanted to uphold the UCMJ and the integrity of the Navy. This Preisident has made a mockery of the military justice system.

Response by SSgt Taylor Cobb made Sep 20 at 2020 8:05 AM

2020-09-20T08:05:08-04:00

Everything Trump does need to be reversed.

Response by MSgt Walter Thomason made Sep 20 at 2020 8:16 AM

2020-09-20T08:16:31-04:00

LoL... This thread quickly devolved into not being able to tell the fools and idiots from the sane. PLEASE Oh, PLEASE, RP kill this thread and put it out of it's misery!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2020 9:46 PM

2020-09-21T21:46:01-04:00

I’m sorry but punishment imposed by a man who went out of his way to avoid serving his country on those who had the guts to serve will NOT provide credibility back to the UCMJ.
That’s the equivalent of my soldier failing out of Air Assault school and me having to counsel him for when I never had the heart to go myself. Very hypocritical in my opinion. JS

Response by AB Mike Bonner made Sep 22 at 2020 7:33 PM

2020-09-22T19:33:09-04:00

Both Admirals and the Secretary are not military men but piss poor political hacks who should be discharged without pensions. They are shit stains on the USN.

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Sep 23 at 2020 3:09 AM

2020-09-23T03:09:29-04:00

#45 couldn’t couldn’t “project credibility” to the sun coming up in the East tomorrow. Over 20 thousand documented lies since he too office. A “bro” friendship with Putin. 200,000 DEAD thanks to his Machiavellian response to Covid. Don’t forget that those who have served in the military are “suckers” & those who have died &/or been POW’s are “losers.” Credibility=ZERO!

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Sep 23 at 2020 8:32 AM

2020-09-23T08:32:55-04:00

It is not his place to do so. It is for their respective service leaders to administer UCMJ if what they are doing is against regulation. Like it or not, this particular Seal is a political figure, and is polarizing.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Sep 23 at 2020 2:49 PM

2020-09-23T14:49:46-04:00

IMHO you don't have these people in a position to make a decision and then subvert them. He was tried by a court martial of his peers, so that by itself should help clarify that not just did senior officials think he was guilty of at least one of the charges but also the jury.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 23 at 2020 11:06 PM

2020-09-23T23:06:03-04:00

SEALS/SF/other SMUs can remove tabs, pins, and membership of those elite units if they feel the individual acted in a way that brings or brought discredit to that specific organization. Selection is an ongoing process. Being convicted for what he was convicted for, whether he was pardoned or whatever, brought discredit. Regardless of anything, he was convicted at Court Martial by a panel of Sr Officers and NCOs.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Sep 24 at 2020 1:02 AM

2020-09-24T01:02:01-04:00

Let the justice system work. Is it politics or a factual case? A pardon forgives everything--military or civilian.

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made Oct 6 at 2020 9:31 AM

2020-10-06T09:31:04-04:00

As far as I'm concerned the UCMJ should apply to ALL or NONE. No half measures.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Oct 8 at 2020 12:15 PM

2020-10-08T12:15:30-04:00

I think sometimes general officers over react that rank has it's privilege . If I had someone under me that continued to break the orders that I commanded and disregarded them . I am a person of patience and try and understand situations . But there comes a point where you must lead and for the good order disciple personnel . If Chief Petty Officer Gallagher has not disobeyed any orders or disrespect any fellow officers I see this as harassment . A Admiral is no different then private when it comes to disobeying orders both should be held accountable . but unfortunately this is where rank has it's privilege and most of the time is swept under the carpet .

Response by SPC Will Thorson made Oct 21 at 2020 10:32 AM

2020-10-21T10:32:32-04:00

Credibility back? Trump under undercut ucmj several times. He's the last person i want criticizing anything involving the military.

Response by Sgt Michael Clifford made Oct 22 at 2020 10:04 AM

2020-10-22T10:04:05-04:00

Bill Clinton lied to avoid serving in the armed forces. Joe Biden enjoyed several student deferment and then a medical deferment for asthma although his condition did not seem to affect his ability to play baseball and football. Funny about these ailments that are so specialized that they impact sefvice but not sports.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 22 at 2020 1:51 PM

2020-10-22T13:51:52-04:00

Msg Stan , that is such an ignorant response, I’m actually embarrassed you’re an enlisted peer of mine.

Response by PO1 Don Rowan made Oct 23 at 2020 7:15 AM

2020-10-23T07:15:27-04:00

Yes.

Response by SSgt Daniel Batista made Oct 23 at 2020 1:25 PM

2020-10-23T13:25:04-04:00

I agree with you John.

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Oct 24 at 2020 11:52 AM

2020-10-24T11:52:14-04:00

President Trump is the Soldiers' President. The Generals are sewer rats!

Response by MAJ A C made Oct 24 at 2020 5:31 PM

2020-10-24T17:31:13-04:00

That C*nt in Chief has sold us out to the Saudis and Russians and you wanna talk about dereliction of duty when actual professional officers want to find a way around his idiot ideas for the betterment of the troops?! Really?!
There’s a reason you’re likely to never go further than SPC knowing so lottile about what leadership means. Get out now if you haven’t already.

Response by CPT Carolyn Andrews made Oct 25 at 2020 12:33 PM

2020-10-25T12:33:06-04:00

I don't think the President knows what UCMJ is.

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Oct 25 at 2020 2:21 PM

2020-10-25T14:21:08-04:00

He was cleared by Trump (who's trying to make points with conservatives, but you're blind to that).. Not military justice.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2020 9:48 AM

2020-10-26T09:48:54-04:00

This is the third most moronic question I've seen on Rallypoint.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Oct 26 at 2020 11:41 AM

2020-10-26T11:41:11-04:00

The CINC has no reason to get involved with this If the CINC can't trust the COC to do what they should be doing the whole system is toast. This is not someone that works Directly with the CINC.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Oct 26 at 2020 1:16 PM

2020-10-26T13:16:24-04:00

Okay Trump should not have gotten involved at all in this. He has way better things to do than get involved with UCMJ actions. The out come of E-7 Edward Gallagher were brought on by his own actions and he should be held accountable. More importantly what happened to the Gallagher's Commanding Officer who was in the picture with him and others? Trump should have stayed out of it and let the COC handle it. He was busted to a CPO 1st class. That was a UMCJ decision. Then if Gallagher was smart he should have just submitted his paperwork for Retirement and disappeared from the media. UMCJ is not a Presidential decision. JMO

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Oct 26 at 2020 4:18 PM

2020-10-26T16:18:06-04:00

TRUMP had 6 deferment during Veitnam. Told his children he would disown them if the joined. He has no concept of duty an honor. He never should have intervened in the first place with the original court decision.. please let the military police its self in this situation. Trump made this political it never should be

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Oct 26 at 2020 7:34 PM

2020-10-26T19:34:30-04:00

If a President clears any military member of anything, then that is the final word. That is IAW Law. A President's military experience (or lack thereof) is immaterial to the Law. We might wish the President follow the SECDEF's advice, but it doesn't always work out that way, and we should be thankful for that, even if we don't like the results.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2020 10:18 PM

2020-10-26T22:18:36-04:00

I’ll speak very candidly, and as correct as I can while respecting you’re very blatantly obvious political affiliation, while also challenging your knowledge and reading of regulations.

What have the 3 officers done that President Trump would use his power as convening Authority to charge them with?

And just what would providing credibility have to do with that?

Because that would indicate retaliation, which is part of something that we are trying to eliminate from the Armed Services. You should be familiar with that if you pay attention during Sharp each quarter and year.

Misuse of power and retaliation will further undermine UCMJ.

As far as I’m concerned UCMJ has not lost credibility. It’s the punishments being handed out that have lost credibility when they get washed away with commanders or presidents over reaching into it.

“Handle at the lowest level” should be very familiar to you by now.

There’s no need to waist a presidents time with a job that O-3 and higher officers can accomplish.

I would in the future advise to not through names of General Officers out so publicly if you plan to stay in for a while. You never know where you will go or who you will have to answer to

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Oct 27 at 2020 5:03 PM

2020-10-27T17:03:27-04:00

Not only do I agree, there has ALWAYS been civilian leadership of the Armed Forces. Like it or not the UCMJ applies to all members of the military.
As far as President Trump being a draft dodger; get your head out of your a--. Medical issues is not being a draft dodger.

Best check out the professional political leaders in Congress first. Maybe some people will learn who authorized violation of the Declaration of war provision of our Constitution and have all these " Police Actions' for their political career. Hint started with Harry Truman

Response by CPL Christopher Trafnik made Oct 28 at 2020 11:20 AM

2020-10-28T11:20:59-04:00

I concur

Response by Sgt Dane Jones made Oct 29 at 2020 5:22 PM

2020-10-29T17:22:57-04:00

Trump undermines the UCMJ and the justice process that enforces it by this action. He has no understanding of why Green ‘s actions are so detrimental to discipline and the chain of command. This is a Navy issue and the Navy should handle it.

Response by SFC Scott Higgins made Oct 29 at 2020 5:46 PM

2020-10-29T17:46:48-04:00

No, President Trump did a disservice to the service in this case. He circumvented the outcome of UCMJ proceedings. The Navy can reassign any enlisted person to whatever job they want to give them, or did you miss that detail in basic training? Saying Gallagher is no longer a SEAL, is just taking away an identifier - His job has changed the Navy no longer considers him qualified to be a SEAL. End of story.

Response by Cpl Kathleen Phippard made Nov 9 at 2020 6:00 PM

2020-11-09T18:00:03-05:00

Why???

Response by CMSgt Marshall Ray made Nov 11 at 2020 9:19 PM

2020-11-11T21:19:13-05:00

The UCMJ worked the president didn't

Response by 1SG Rick Seekman made Dec 27 at 2020 6:36 PM

2020-12-27T18:36:59-05:00

Agree!

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Jan 1 at 2021 11:38 AM

2021-01-01T11:38:22-05:00

I have no clue who the draft dodger is you are referring to' But I do not believe it is Trump. Now as to all of you backseat quarterback's, Unless you were there I will just say that you should not be making judgement calls on the people who were there. This situation was a SNAFU and a miscarriage of justice. Look at the facts, most all the seals who gave statements recanted their stories on the witness stand. The NAVY needed a scape goat Just like the ARMY needed them for ABU-Garieb. Yes the Commander of the prison at that time was either asleep at the wheel or let his soldiers down either way a SSG. thru PFC would not have done the things they were CM. for without orders whether implied or verbally issued. The atrocity of war are hell. To my knowledge all the SOCOM tier one and two operators are under one unified command, And they at the time got their marching orders from the CIA either directly or indirect. If we want to put blame on the Operators then lets start at the top, with the CIC who was in office at the beginning of both of these unintended consequences.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Jan 1 at 2021 12:15 PM

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Our President did not dodge the draft." In 1968, during the Vietnam War, he secured a diagnosis of bone spurs, which qualified him for a medical exemption from the military draft he had earlier received four draft deferments for education." Taken from his BIO from Wikipedia. The presidents from Clinton to Trump did not serve in the Military with the exception was George W Bush JR. who served in the National Guard and did not go to Vietnam. All the real draft dodgers with a few exceptions are at present time elected to the house of Representatives or are in the Senate.

Response by CPO Cory Cook made Jan 19 at 2021 4:35 PM

2021-01-19T16:35:06-05:00

Discipline absolutely YES. Definitely NOT by tRUMP.