Should Soldiers wear the Class B/Tropical uniform for daily duties?

SGM Matthew Quick — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 22:46:12 -0400

Aside from line units or motor pools (or any other physical-type duty), should the Army move to a more professional uniform for daily duties?

If we're truly trying to more to a more professional looking group, (hairstyles, tattoos, etc.) why not go to the Class B/Tropical uniform on a daily basis?

Response by SFC Kayla Sondrol made Apr 6 at 2014 10:52 PM

SFC Kayla Sondrol — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 22:52:10 -0400

It is uncomfortable as it is. Every Wednesday at my second MOS school (68X) We had to wear the Class B even as prior service to class. I cannot imagine wearing it 5-7 days a week. And that may cause financial problems for some lower enlisted because of the constant need for dry cleaning and purchasing additional uniforms to keep up with the professional appearance. But believe me MSG Quick, the uniform is very sharp, and I love it, but even in an admin roll I don't know how well it will work out.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2014 10:54 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 22:54:01 -0400

While I would completely agree with a move to a more professional daily uniform, I think that a change like this would create a hardship for the more junior enlisted Soldiers without also increasing the amount of pants and shirts that are issued and providing some sort of quartermaster cleaning service.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Apr 6 at 2014 10:55 PM

SSG Robert Burns — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 22:55:15 -0400

I suggested this and was shot at.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2014 11:05 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 23:05:32 -0400

NO! Its not practical. Me personally my unit follows the training schedule like its a direct order from POTUS himself, but there are still days unforeseen things come up. We would have to change into ACUs now as an extra step to execute a "dirty" task. Not worth it, you can look professional in ACUs.

IF they decided to to this...

Are they going to issue us four sets?

If not will the price drop drastically in order to purchase more sets?

Will cleaning be free or at a reduced rate.

The reason I ask if we are going to look professional that means getting them cleaned at the minimum once a week. Cant just throw these in the wash. You would have to buy extra ribbons and badges etc. Just in case you have to change quickly because you got it dirty. Even if your job doesn't require to much wear and tear. Just sitting in an office chair all day your pants are going to look like trash after two days. Not to mention a slip up at lunch or spilling a drink on them throughout the day. Dont forget the infamous seat belt messing the white shirt up or screwing a ribbon rack up beyond repair.

Too much trouble for literally nothing. Its not going to make you more professional. The dirty bags will still be dirt bags they will just be well dressed dirty bags.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2014 11:13 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 23:13:58 -0400

I completely agree. If not for everyday duty, can we please stop allowing Soldiers to attend public functions in ACU's?

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Apr 6 at 2014 11:16 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 23:16:48 -0400

In concept, I love the Idea and we all look better in some sort of dress uniform but and there is always the big but, did my tour in DC, Dress Uniform always. I was in charge of 2 Vehicles (My Drivers I understand they pick up officials but why me). Also my Primary Function was DIVO for Installation Technicians for WWMCCS/MILNET/ARPANET Terminals. They worked under raised floor and in the lowered ceiling. Had to carry around Poopy Suits, Jumpers to put on over our dress uniforms all the time while we were working. I will say NO!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 12:09 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 00:09:01 -0400

Yes, for a variety of reasons. In my early years, both in the USMC and USAF the normal duty uniform was not any type of camouflage (dirty jobs of course worn the aircrew style jumpsuit). A more professional image was promoted and fitness was easily observed in how the uniform 'fit' the individual. Interactions seemed to stay on the professional side as well since rank and job type were readily visible.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 4:15 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 04:15:32 -0400

HQ's, Staff Elements, Pentagon, YES! Line units no. But they should be worn at least once a month regardless of where you work.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 5:43 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 05:43:30 -0400

At the minimum do Formal Fridays where all non line working troopers wear ASUs / Class-Bs.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 8:09 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 08:09:21 -0400

I do believe thier are jobs that this would be practical. As an old 13 series the line unit wasnt one of them. But admin jobs, Recruiting duty. I worked for a while at post HQ, B's would have been fine.

Response by MSG Jose Colon made Apr 7 at 2014 8:30 AM

MSG Jose Colon — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 08:30:25 -0400

One point that is not mentioned on this kind of surveys is that military personnel will need to get ready to become civilians one day.

As military men and women, we are used to wearing duty uniforms. No big deal. No need to shine boots anymore. The decision of whether to idon your uniform or not is gone. And, the ony requirement is that you shave and get a hair cut every so often.

Some, do not even bathe or wear deodorant.

Class B's would augment the contrast, force military personnel to observe enhanced hygene, and subconciously, help create healthy, read: employable, habits for the not so distant future.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 8:32 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 08:32:07 -0400

I would not mind the idea, but there would have to be some obvious adjustments made.

First, MSG Quick; I know you keep arguing that we receive a clothing allowance to cover the costs of uniforms. The new ACUs with the permethrin treatment and buttons runs approximately $90 a set. I don't agree that the shelf life on them is 6 months, but they do wear out quickly. I can usually stretch mine a bit over a year before I really start questioning the appearance of them. Sometimes I have to have new velcro sewn on or just relegate a uniform to field use only. Our junior enlisted Soldiers would eat up a big portion of the clothing allowance just replacing a couple of sets of ACUs, maybe a pair of boots that are unservicable, PTs, and other high-wear uniform items. When you add the additional burden of the Class B, plus all seasonal items (sweater, windbreaker, etc), it could quickly topple their budget. In the civilian World, most would not receive any sort of clothing allowance or the benefits which the military provides. However, we are expecting quite a bit more, and paying a bit less. I think that either an adjustment to the supply system to help support DXing uniforms or providing better service to allow for the issuance of a more complete basic set to accomidate the change would be helpful. I also think that MCCS could charge a bit less for the uniform items, which should be negotiated in the increased inventory contracting. I paid almost $90 for a pair of ASU pants a few months back. Laundering? Well, that is one that I have little simpathy for. Figure out how to launder them at home or dry clean them. It's not that expensive.

We would also have to identify who wears them and for what function. For me, most days I would be able to wear the Class B with no problems. I spend a lot of time working behind a desk. Other days, I randomly end up performing other tasks for which the Class B would only be marginally appropriate at best. The common sense answer is to change. However, we have all seen how regulations can completely miss the obvious on occassion. How do we determine what will be "off-limits" to those in ACUs? Are they going to be permitted in the PX or Food Court if we go to Class B for daily wear? Are those Soldiers going to have to deal with just the DFAC on those days? I know this seems like a bit of a situation that is a "duh, it would be this way." However, it is part of the consideration in a topic like this. We have seen regulations completely miss obvious aspects of uniform wear and then a Post or Command CSM will end up making the decision. Some make the "duh, common sense" decision while others decide it is a time to reign in something that is a pet pieve of theirs. Fleece caps, PT belts, boonie caps, and boots are examples of this.

I wouldn't mind too much, but I think the white shirt would need to go. We would see too many dingy or dirty shirts just from random stuff (leaning up against a white board, bumping the car door, etc).

The answer is probably somewhere in between. Maybe a utility uniform that is actually durable and that we can press to present a highly Soldierly appearance. The BDU was great for this. You could look like a professional and still have the function of the utility uniform. Maybe this needs to be considered in the design of our next uniform.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 8:55 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 08:55:51 -0400

In my current assignment, I use a lot my B's for official travel, so I took upon myself to buy 3 extra pants, long sleeve and short sleeve shirts. Believe me it sucks paying for it, but look at the bright side you will always have an extra uniform to spare.

MSG Quick, some assignments like the Pentagon, White House, and anything above the 2 star level merits the wear of the class b on a daily bases, in my opinion.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 9:06 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 09:06:24 -0400

This would make "Hey You" details a lot harder to accomplish.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 9:26 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 09:26:50 -0400

Yes and No.  I'm going to echo what has been said on here multiple times.  If you are in a line unit, No.  If you are in a higher HQ and have no risk of getting dirty, yes.  I am part of that crowd that had to wear them everyday for work in the Pentagon.  Yes, it sucked but it does look more professional.  The JS did pay for two shirts and one pair of slacks but the shirts don't last much longer than 6 months since they are white.  So......a slightly darker color (maybe gray???) would be nice.  

Response by SPC Christopher Smith made Apr 7 at 2014 9:49 AM

SPC Christopher Smith — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 09:49:34 -0400

Hell NO! I hate the dress uniform as is, having to dry clean that damn thing every week and pay for a replacement that cost more than my annual clothing allowance, yeah right. Fuck that noise. I'd ask for a seperation before I let the Army bleed my bank account dry.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Apr 7 at 2014 9:53 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 09:53:57 -0400

While the idea looks great on paper, I feel that much like the whole beret idea, it would fail in the particle world. Yes, service members receive a yearly clothing allowance but that needs to cover everything the service member needs for that year. ACUs, their field gear, and now these...how would you expect the service member to decide what is more important to use their clothing allowance on? Let's face it, the clothing allowance barely covers what you need now without adding this extra burden to it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 11:30 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 11:30:46 -0400

MSG,

Money and practicality arguments aside. I believe the Army is moving in the wrong direction with the "Professionalism" bit. We exist to protect and defend the constitution of the United Stated against all enemies. In and of itself that requires us to commit unnatural acts ie. murder(for lack of a better description). To try and put all of us in a suit and tie seems to take away the focus on what exist to do. You can't, in my opinion, say that Soldiers in MTOE units dont have to wear them daily but those in TDA do, and then try to call everyone a Soldier. Making them wear different uniforms essentially segregates them and creates a divide. Lets face it, line guys consider everyone else POG's already. Any one of us should be able to, at a moments notice, be able to perform any legal order given to us. Making people dress up all fancy to "look good" takes away from their ability to perform.

Respectfully.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 11:32 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 11:32:33 -0400

I think it is a point of pride in your service. As stated in other threads it would help with the "overall look of professionalism" with in the community. While I was working in DC it was B's Monday thru Thursday and ACU's on Friday. If you are working in a Headquarters unit take the pride.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 11:45 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 11:45:38 -0400

Most Soldiers must be able to do details at the drop of a hat (especially in garrison), so this uniform would not be feasible. If you made it a once day a week thing, then maybe......but if you ruin this uniform, it is much more expensive to replace than ACU's are. Personally, I think they should go back to the BDU's and black shined boots. Looks sharp, and serves a purpose as the combat uniform.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 12:05 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 12:05:22 -0400

For some garrison folk, last Friday of the month.

Response by SSG Genaro Negrete made Apr 7 at 2014 2:20 PM

SSG Genaro Negrete — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 14:20:15 -0400

After reading through most of these comments, it seems to boil down to two things, cost and funcitonality. I like the look but have always considered the uniform to be something that was designed for a soldier to look good in ONLY while standing at attention. This won't be too much of an issue with jobs that merely require manning a desk or attending meetings. So to have the Class B uniform for these soldiers is a great idea. It falls in line with the corporate structre some parts of the military are trying to cheange into in an effort to stream line operations.

The fact is there will always be units that need to be in ACU's to do daily tasks. At some units, payday activites often involve wearing the full class A uniform. Maybe include NCOPD sessions into the Class B uniform wear policy. Just a thought.

I hate to say this, because it'll only segue into another argument, but maybe a change in materials used for the uniform is in order. Something a little more sturdy. As for the shoes, a good pair of insoles usually take the edge off for me.

Clinical settings could benefit from this as well. Most providers are involved in conversational/instructional care for their patients. A lab coat over the Class B uniform would suffice. Other providers that have more involved proceedures are already working in scrubs.

This seems as close as we'll get to the professional look of a cleanly pressed set of BDU's and a high glossy shine on leather boots.

Response by SSG Daniel Deiler made Apr 7 at 2014 3:46 PM

SSG Daniel Deiler — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 15:46:07 -0400

I say NO WAY!!! At least not on a daily basis. I think once monthly for say, something akin to payday activities or when some type of required training is being conducted (SHARP, MRT, etc). I cannot even fathom the costs that Soldiers would be required to fork out for dry cleaning and replacement costs for awards and clothing items by wearing the Class B/Tropical Uniform that often.

Here's my suggestion...If you want to have and/or maintain that "professional appearance" go back to when we DID have real standards and not this BS wash and wear crap and we actually had to shine our boots. THAT is when Soldiers took pride in how they looked. Now they can just wake up in the morning, stuff their uniforms in a gym bag and pull it out after PT with not a care in the world how crinkled up or smelly it may be...I bet most Soldiers wear the same uniform all week if not more these days.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 5:54 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:54:46 -0400

Much as I would like to say yes to this question, as there are plenty of soldiers at BN and higher that don't do dirty work on a daily basis, I just can't see it as practical for the force as a whole. Plenty of people have already argued the cost of it, which is accurate and doesn't really need to be touched on again, but as duties change throughout the day, changing in and out of a dress-style uniform is going to do more damage to the uniform than leaving it hanging in the closet until actually needed. Even if the clothing allowance were to receive a minor boost and the cost of the uniform reduced to make this kind of move feasible (as suggested in a number of responses here), the number of uniforms needed/gone through is just ridiculous. I personally have no problem forking out the extra cash to maintain enough uniforms that I can have a steady rotation of them in the event I mess one up, but not everyone is so willing or able. Life is expensive too.

To revise your initial question SGM, I wouldn't necessarily call one uniform more professional than another. A uniform by it's very nature is professional, it's the jackass in it that brings it discredit, by action or appearance. If we want to look like a professional force then our daily uniform has to be able to look professional, regardless of role or duty position. The ACU is horrible to maintain and even with newer guidance that lets us sew on name tapes, rank and badges they still look like garbage after less than a day's wear. Pretty sure I posted in a thread somewhere else here about the days of BDUs versus ACUs. I wear A2CUs most of the time, and they are even worse. By all means, have those that spend the majority of their time indoors or performing light duty wear Bs, I always thought it was silly to sit at a desk in ACUs, even when I was a recruiter. As for the rest of us, we aren't going to help anything in a utility uniform that nearly always looks like it was just unpacked from a duffel bag. I keep mine on hangars, but as soon as I put them on and drive in to work it looks like a threw myself on a wrinkle-grenade. I just wish someone, whose opinion actually counts, would have had sense enough 10 years ago when the ACU was getting fielded to say that it was a bad idea and looked horrible.

I do think the SMA is taking a step in the right direction by both applying sterner guidance regarding appearance and reminding leaders at all levels what the standards are and to enforce them. The ridiculousness has to stop somewhere and I'm sorry to say, this kind of move may not be a positive change as far as professional appearance goes.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 5:55 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:55:22 -0400

I've said for years we should have the D (combat uniform) for field use only. For day to day we should go back to kakhi Charlies. Keep the ASUs for the A/B uniforms and make the Charlies the uniform of the day for all garrison activities. They could be able to be worn for limited training ie daily/hip pocket as well without damaging them too much. And making 4 set an issue item will ease the mandatory wear cost issues.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Apr 7 at 2014 8:16 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 20:16:01 -0400

I think that admin positions and no-line units should, yes.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 8:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 20:19:09 -0400

No, But I could see it becoming the standard at non functional NCOES courses.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 8:41 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 20:41:06 -0400

This would be an added hardship to the troops. I bet most senior soldiers wouldn't even wear their ribbons everyday because of the hassle of taking them off dirty shirts and putting them on clean ones. What about those random taskings that E4 and below get while supervised by E5 and up? Should everyone have a set of ACUs ready to change into? I'm surprised that 59% of people on this discussion board are in favor of it -Probably Soldiers who work in nice air conditioned offices.

Response by SGM Steven Richards made Apr 7 at 2014 10:39 PM

SGM Steven Richards — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 22:39:46 -0400

Absolutely NOT! They serve no functionality other than look good as a Dress uniform! While we should go back to a monthly pay day activities type event to ensure Soldiers are maintaining them and they fit properly it should not be the daily uniform for Soldiers across our Army. How about we start enforcing standards across the Army and ensuring our Soldiers are getting the Leadership, Mentorship and training they deserve! A true professional Army maintains it's professionalism in any uniform! Maybe if we instilled the Army Values into our Soldiers we could quit seeing the ridiculous posts and videos that keep popping up and making headlines!

Response by SFC Darwyn Williams made Apr 7 at 2014 11:09 PM

SFC Darwyn Williams — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 23:09:41 -0400

I honestly don't see the purpose unless it is the forward desire to go back to being a garrison Army. Yes the military as a whole is trying to get smaller and that is what it is but I thought as an Army we were trying to get fully away from the garrison mentality. If we train as we fight or so the saying goes than the uniform should reflect exactly that. Class B uniforms are good for garrison office units and they work well in those type of environments but for the average unit whose Soldiers don't work in S,G, or higher shops this uniform is just impractical for daily duty wear. Thanks.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Apr 7 at 2014 11:50 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 23:50:18 -0400

I could go to the motor pool at anytime so no.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2014 2:17 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 02:17:35 -0400

I believe this move would be cost prohibitive. By requiring Soldiers to maintain multiple sets of ASU Pants Shirts etc… for daily wear, it would increase the cost on the Soldier, this would require an increase in Clothing allowance. With all of the other reductions in pay and benefits that are being tossed around, I don’t see this as a economical possibility for either the Soldier or the DOD.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2014 5:26 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 05:26:10 -0400

I spend Monday through Friday in the motor pool, I can't even sustain new nice looking ACUs and boots for more then three days without them looking messed up. I bought boots five days ago and they are already a mess.

Response by SGT James McCue made Apr 8 at 2014 8:25 AM

SGT James McCue — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 08:25:54 -0400

I actually like getting dressed up and looking pretty.

But is it useful? I don't think so. As I am transitioning from a mechanic to a paper pusher, I can go from an office to the motor pool.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2014 1:30 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:30:20 -0400

It would seperate the workers from the staffers...

Response by SFC James Baber made Apr 8 at 2014 4:39 PM

SFC James Baber — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 16:39:29 -0400

I think that if we are going to be concerned with a more professional look within the garrison area, two things need to occur; 1st get rid of the ACU's and go back to BDU's and polishing boots for every MOS and job as it looks a hell of a lot more professional than the vomit looking ACUs that are the current uniform that someone somewhere was paid via the backdoor to approve that crap. 2nd, for the office studs and mostly meeting types personnel, we need to look into going back to the khaki class C's we had that were still in use when I 1st came in during the early 80s, while they were phased out completely in 1984/5 they still were very professional looking for most garrison duties to include MPs on gates and patrol duties, much like the Marines in their "B"'s, if we are saying that we need a more professional garrison look that would be my best recommendation.

The ACUs are crap and have been from day one, just like the BS with the black beret, that should have remained with the specialized units that they were originally designed for, it took a decade + of fighting dual wars and then some to get rid of one of the biggest debacle's we had seen before the ACUs came along.

Go back to BDUs and Khaki's for a professional garrison look.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2014 7:04 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 19:04:59 -0400

I could see this if it was the green uniform but this uniform does not stand up like it the old one did. I do think people have gotten lazy and should wear the uniform more often. I was sickened to go to a BCT graduation back in 2010 and find that they were wearing ACUs. When I asked the cadre at the school they said "we are a nation at war" and that is a bullshit excuse. When was the last time Fort Jackson was attacked....never. Again I think yes if we go to a more practical uniform to wear for it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2014 7:51 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 19:51:47 -0400

Impractical for daily duty, but perhaps maybe one day out of the week, like every Friday, unless training is going on. I also think that this should be the standard uniform for DA Photos (some worry about folks being overweight and this way offenders can't hide behind their jackets)

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 12:35 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 00:35:16 -0400

Well, I work for a Medical Support Unit now, and on the day to day, We wear our class B's every Monday. It's not too bad, but with the white shirt I see most people decide to do a working lunch or if they go get something to eat it's something dry and has absolutely no powder or dust. I've even found myself be extra careful in the pens I chose to use because we're wearing an easily stained white shirt. It wasn't so bad with the old greens you felt less self conscious in them. Let me tell you, I saw this as a problem with some people who had the really badly made shirts, every couple times they stood up they'd be going to the latrine to tuck their shirt backs in. Then I introduced them to shirt stays. Once the shirt stays were on, there was hiding nothing. Even the older guys who were still rocking 300's looked like they had some pudge.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 7:42 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 07:42:25 -0400

I can definitely see it used as professional attire in that environment. SGL's in the academic environment, staff personnel, MP's on duty, etc.... I will however state that in many of the old images of MP's they were not wearing a bullet proof vest like they do today so they will not necessarily have that slim appearance.

The problem comes with people having to learn how to wear it correctly, it's just not done enough anymore. As a young soldier I wore it every month when reporting for pay, and monthly inspections and ceremonies. Today your lucky if they wear it once a year and then only after four or five pre-inspections to make sure it's straight.

Response by SFC Timothy Riser made Apr 9 at 2014 2:53 PM

SFC Timothy Riser — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 14:53:41 -0400

MSG,

Yes and No. Some jobs by all means wear the dress uniform. I can understand hospital staff, staff sections, Military Police but the Soldiers in the motorpools where before intructing I spent most of my time that is unpractical and would damage the uniforms daily. I also understand the jobs in the military like JAG, IG, Eo, SHARP or the pentagon, recruiters, intructors ect.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2014 2:57 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Apr 2014 14:57:04 -0400

There are duties that would be conducive to wearing this uniform on a daily basis, such as recruiting/retention, those that work at the Pentagon/WH/MDW, NCOES/OES, Division HQ and higher, etc. There would also be the other 75% of the Army that work for a living and the Class B uniform would be soiled beyond repair if it was made mandatory. This is a horrible idea. The good idea fairy has struck once again...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2014 11:41 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:41:15 -0400

I think it should be dependent on MOS responsibilities. My Soldiers run the risk of having anything from chow to feces and worse thrown on them. So for us, unless working in the company area or in a staff position away from the facility, it wouldn't be the best idea.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2014 2:50 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 14:50:17 -0400

I wear class B's voluntarily as a part of my recruiting duties... I will attest that it makes a huge difference in the way the business leaders, and school administrators view me.

Response by SFC John Brooks made Apr 14 at 2014 3:27 PM

SFC John Brooks — Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:27:41 -0400

As a blanket uniform, I have to say no. First of all, look at the maintenance cost to keep the uniform serviceable. Second, even within a single MOS, there are a broad array of job functions and duties. In my case, my soldiers/airmen/sailors and I are desk side support for computer systems in the Pentagon. MOST of the pentagon wears class B uniform on Fridays. My section does not because our requests for a clothing stipend to support the Friday uniform were denied. Multiple times a day, we are crawling under desks on hands and knees trying to fix problems.

A lot of people balk when the IT guys don't want to wear dress uniforms on duty, until I point out the specific day-to-day duties. If I were strictly an admin and only worked at my workstation all day, then I'd be totally for it but it's just not feasible for some jobs.

Response by MAJ Dallas D. made May 5 at 2014 11:56 AM

MAJ Dallas D. — Mon, 05 May 2014 11:56:56 -0400

While I do not think the Army should wear ASU everyday, I do think we need to go back to they way the reg used to be. It was simple you were not allowed anywhere off post in ACU's (BDU's). If you were driving home from work and need milk you could stop at the 7-11 and get milk, nothing more. I hate seeing Soldiers in ACU's walking around the mall, even the Airport. If you are not traveling to or from a deployment you should be in either civilians or ASU. Why we have all of our Basic and AIT graduates running around airports in ACU's makes no sense. Look at the other services, the Army is the only one still allowing this.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made May 6 at 2014 2:09 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Tue, 06 May 2014 14:09:52 -0400

Because I don't have enough heartache having to correct countless NCO's and Officers once a month on payday activities? ;) Honestly though, I'm all for it, I just wish more people knew HOW to wear it before putting it on..

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 2:37 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 14:37:37 -0400

There needs to be an in between uniform if we are going to do that. The ACU/OCP is an acknowledged combat uniform. The current service uniform would not hold up to daily wear and tear and we would have to increase the authorized amount in the clothing bag issue to account for it. The Navy had the utility uniform (dungarees) that was for daily work in addition to the service uniform and now they got rid of them in favor of the battle uniform. If we wish to look professional we should not have switched to a wash and wear "formless" uniform.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 2:43 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 14:43:35 -0400

Although that seems like a great idea MSG there are soldiers that are already lazy about their ACU's. I'd hate to imagine how lazy they'd get with Class B's. There's just not that discipline here that there used to be when we were shining boots. But otherwise I think this would be good considering the drawdown of the Army and most units staying Garrison and not going to war.

Response by CPT Brian Roberts made May 6 at 2014 4:10 PM

CPT Brian Roberts — Tue, 06 May 2014 16:10:45 -0400

Normal units working outside the "cubicle" environment, should stay BDUs. However, those who work in office settings, should wear Class Bs

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made May 6 at 2014 8:00 PM

1SG Michael Blount — Tue, 06 May 2014 20:00:49 -0400

Unless you're talking about motor pool or being on the line.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2014 3:46 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 15:46:08 -0400

The cost to maintain dress uniforms is outrageous. I was in USAREC when we wore B's and it wasn't bad due to the SDAP. We were also issued additional uniforms. The current budget would not allow such a change. I do like the idea but do not see it ever happening.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made May 7 at 2014 8:03 PM

SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS — Wed, 07 May 2014 20:03:40 -0400

I agree with 1SG Whitman. If in a HQ, Pentagon, or Garrison unit yes. Pride in service, history, and pride in self should be emphasized if this were adopted. Perhaps even returning to wearing ASUs for payday activities so every Soldier wears them once or twice a month, depending on mission and training schedule.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2014 4:08 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 May 2014 16:08:43 -0400

Absolutely not, I wear this uniform as little as possible so that I am not confused with TSA officers and mall security.
If the army were to come up with something other than a white shirt and blue pants I would be all for dressing nicely. However, you expect me to be able to keep that white shirt clean at all times? At lunch you if you spill something, you are careless with a pen or marker, or the coffee cup misses your mouth, that professional look is gone and you are in the bathroom scrubbing or as an officer have to spend extra money for additional shirts. Give me something that looks more military, green or khaki.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2014 12:22 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 May 2014 00:22:06 -0400

I say yes because its good to wear and a good way to learn to be professional. However, I think it should be for Corps & Division units. At the BDE level it should be for staff elements and the S shops. For the infantry battalions along with the support battalions, it should be approached the same way payday activities are performed, once a month.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2014 12:28 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 May 2014 00:28:26 -0400

I don't even own a Class B shirt and I hate wearing a beret. I don't work in the Pentagon, and I don't know from one minute or the next whether I'll be behind my computer or in cold storage inventorying camo nets. Not "No", but "Hell, NO!"

Response by SFC Arthur Barker made May 12 at 2014 7:56 AM

SFC Arthur Barker — Mon, 12 May 2014 07:56:40 -0400

I've thought this was the right thing to do for years, particularly for higher level staff elements like 1SG Whitman mentioned earlier. If you're in a line unit monkeying around in the motor pool or out in the back 40 for training every day, obviously the service dress wouldn't be the way to go except on certain occasions, maybe for battalion/brigade staff duty during the day.

Response by MSG Martin C. made May 12 at 2014 8:26 AM

MSG Martin C. — Mon, 12 May 2014 08:26:52 -0400

I experienced this during recruiting and it's very costly. The allocated allowance is not sufficient to support this uniforms would become worms out very fast. I currently serve in a unit where we have to wear the tropicals once a week that is not as bad. As far as for every day use it will be cost effective.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2014 6:43 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 May 2014 18:43:59 -0400

Ridiculous, why can't we look like hard working folks. Not to mention the increased costs beyond the issued set of uniforms. The pay is already abysmal.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2014 2:28 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 13 May 2014 14:28:40 -0400

Depends on what the "daily duty" is. If your typical work day consists of sitting at a desk, you have some type of office, or know what "air conditioning" is, then I feel it would make for a more professional work environment.

However, if your typical work day will include ample amounts of sweating and/or activities that would get your uniform filthy, it would not be practical to wear a professional-looking uniform.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2014 12:17 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 May 2014 00:17:26 -0400

I mean, we're gearing towards a more professional garrison mode right? The Navy does it on certain days, so why shouldn't we?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2014 12:28 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 May 2014 00:28:39 -0400

I do not like this uniform and would greatly tax my sick leave to avoid wearing it. In fairness, it is possible that there are worse looking dress uniforms somewhere. I just haven't chanced upon them yet.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2014 1:48 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 May 2014 01:48:19 -0400

Yes, but there needs to be a manner in which to clean those uniforms for cheap or free. dry cleaning is expensive

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2014 9:04 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 May 2014 09:04:44 -0400

Excluding line companies and motor pools, yes. I'm much in favor of a more professional look

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2014 2:02 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 May 2014 14:02:07 -0400

Thats great, 43% of you said Yes! Now here the follow up question, who pays for the additional uniforms needed to wear the Class B everyday? We have a hard enough time getting Soldiers to buy BN PT shirts!

Response by CPL(P) Nathaniel Burke made May 25 at 2014 2:39 PM

CPL(P) Nathaniel Burke — Sun, 25 May 2014 14:39:52 -0400

Regardless of trying to maintain a professional image, we are a profession of arms and our job, at the end of the day, is standing ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the USA in close combat. I believe we cam maintain a professional image and an image of military readiness while wearing our respective combat/utility uniforms. I personally would rather give off the professional appearance of combat readiness. Additionally, the everyday wear of Class B uniforms will inadvertently cause a relaxed view of our dress uniforms and it will lose the special "sharpness" that we take pride in when we put our uniform together for special events. In a perfect world, the standard would be upheld, but we must remember that this is an organization of people.

Response by MSG Mitch Dowler made May 25 at 2014 8:09 PM

MSG Mitch Dowler — Sun, 25 May 2014 20:09:13 -0400

Sure, let's run PT, do vehicle maintenance, and weapons qualification all in Class B's! Tactical uniforms are professional for military. Why would they not be?

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2014 12:09 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 May 2014 12:09:35 -0400

I personally follow the train of thought that your job should determine your uniform. If you're in an office why not wear your class B's? Maybe they could develop a set of C's that could be easier to care for and made for everyday use. Anyway, I think that we should wear our B's at least once a week if you are in an office environment, pretty much every other service does. I like the professional look, I think that it makes us seem more professional and will allow us to give off the impression of going from a wartime army to a garrison army.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2014 12:16 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 May 2014 12:16:04 -0400

Ha, not on my paycheck. I can barely afford to maintain it while it's in the closet, much less if I were wearing it out. We already wear a uniform that wears out every 4 months or so and that costs me an arm and a leg, even with 5 or 6 of them. I can tell you that dress uniform isn't more durable then these crap ACU's and it isn't less expensive either.

Response by CPL Charles Gale made May 27 at 2014 8:04 PM

CPL Charles Gale — Tue, 27 May 2014 20:04:56 -0400

Might be hard to maintain but you could spot a true sh*tbag from a mile away.

Response by SSgt Stephanie Luck made May 27 at 2014 8:17 PM

SSgt Stephanie Luck — Tue, 27 May 2014 20:17:13 -0400

I completely agree. Even with the Marine Corps. I don't always work in a combat environment. I've deployed multiple times and I can honestly say that while in garrison I appreciate wearing my service uniform more often. The more professional we look, the more professional we will act.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2014 2:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 May 2014 14:07:06 -0400

I have been saying that [YES] for years. The first line of the NCO Creed - No one is more profesional than I.

Why then do so many strictly office personell have to look like a dirt bag in this rag tag ACU (yes I do dispise the ACU). I would rather go back to the old BDU's, they held up to wear and tear longer and stayed cleaner looking for mechanics. On the days that a Soldier has to go to the motor pool he can dress appropiatly for the days tasking the rest of the time why would a legal clerk or finance clerk need to be in a combat uniform.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2014 9:47 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 09:47:23 -0400

This is a toss up for me. But I am going to say 'NO'. Why? Once a month.... IF even that is enough. From my career experience; Soldiers get dirty doing daily tasks. The old BDUs / ACUs or even Jumpsuits, hide a god percentage of that dirt. Yes, the uniform should be always clean...but if it is not noticeable...who is going to know? The average soldier works hard. (at least they did when I was in).
Secondly, only pencil pushers (office workers) never get their fingers dirty, so they could wear them nearly everyday. (i.e. Finance, PAC, S1-Offices up through G6, Career counselors, recruiters, etc.)

Now for those who refer to "pay-day-activities".... I am laughing. What does the dress uniform ( A or B) have to do with getting paid? You get paid to do your jobs! Period. Not wear a dress uniform.

Dress uniforms are for: promotion boards, ceremonies, court martials, and special events, etc. While it is important to know how to wear and maintain the uniform(s)...it is NOT so important to wear every non motor-pool day. Being ready to deploy is more important.

Response by SGT Seth Wardell made Jun 3 at 2014 11:55 AM

SGT Seth Wardell — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:55:23 -0400

DoD is moving back to a 'garrison' posture. If memory serves, the rational for moving to ACU's/Utility uniforms on a daily basis was to present the image of a department/nation at war. That is no longer the case, or it won't be soon, so the 'new normal' should be service members to present a professional miltiary appearance whenever possible.
The comparision could be made to other professional jobs, when you are representing the organization, either at headquarters, or to 'outside' individuals you should look your best, just like you would want/expect to be represented yourself.
Obviously this is situationally dependant, you wouldn't go to a field excercise in a dress/semi-dress uniform, but you wouldn't (hopefully) wear coverall's to court either.
Would you want your lawyer or your wedding party, or your elected official, showing up in jeans and a polo, or a suit?

Response by PFC Terry Kuehner made Jun 5 at 2014 9:43 PM

PFC Terry Kuehner — Thu, 05 Jun 2014 21:43:08 -0400

What would help more is getting rid if that ridiculous beany on your head and go to a traditional cover like the Marines

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2014 11:01 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Jul 2014 23:01:17 -0400

If you're in a low impact job, for example: Some 25 series, 27 series, 42 series, Finance, Chaplain/Chaplain's Assistant, and other things where your job keeps you indoors and/or at a desk most of the day, it makes sense. Most other MOS series. No. It doesn't make sense nor is it practical. When are Cav Scouts, Tankers or Grunts going to be doing something where that would be practical? Or your 15 series? 12 or 21 series?

Response by SSG(P) Auston Terry made Sep 21 at 2014 11:07 AM

SSG(P) Auston Terry — Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:07:38 -0400

BLUF I agree with a more professional non combat uniform just not ASUs.

I pretty firmly disagree with Tropicals in the current form for daily wear. White polyester is just a poor choice for a working uniform. What I would like to see is another Class C uniform designed for non-utility duty positions in garrison. I think that it was a mistake to combine the dress and service uniform for a number of reasons. I wasn't fond of the pickle suit either, but a kahki or buff shirt with slightly darker but not OD Green pants in cotton or linen instead of polyester would be a suitable working uniform.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2014 12:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:51:53 -0400

I'm sure I'm going to get many of messages saying "you receive a clothing allowance use it" but here it goes....

While yes, I understand the Army (military???) used to wear the Class B for normal duties prior to 9/11 and the utility uniform was a motorpool/field uniform. I feel that given the nature of Soldierly duties such as "pop details" this uniform will just get messed up quickly. I would rather blow out a pair of ACUs than get a single stain on the white shirt and have to buy another one.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Sep 21 at 2014 2:49 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Sun, 21 Sep 2014 14:49:25 -0400

Now that I am retired....(JK), I say yes. Jobs at the Pentagon, or anywhere there is a joint service community I think it should be mandatory. It just has that professional look. Jobs where you live in the motor pool, or climbing on vehicles is another story. I remember pay day activities, and no one had a problem showing up in Class B's when they knew they would have a few classes and be done at noon.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Sep 22 at 2014 12:03 PM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:03:55 -0400

Depends on your job. Good idea for clerks, finance folks and other assorted office types. MPs on Sundays and Holidaze. Mechanics, combat arms, and other outdoor jobs wear fatigues.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2014 3:06 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:06:38 -0400

No, as a 68K (lab tech) I work with blood, urine, stool, semen, and other bodily fluids on a normal basis, also I draw blood form patients on occasions. Although we wear lab coats, it would be a shame if I spilled something on my pants or shoes.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Oct 10 at 2014 5:27 PM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:27:48 -0400

Is there even a Tropical uniform any more? I still have my Helmet, Sun, Rigid that I wore with Khakis in Tropical Climates. Never got the whites. The Class B pictured with blue trousers/skirts and wool berets could hardly be a Tropical Uniform.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2014 5:41 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:41:43 -0400

I know that the Pentagon went back to wearing dress uniforms, but I feel that as long as we have Soldiers deployed to a forward area (Iraq, Afghanistan) we should continue to wear our ACUs.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2014 11:09 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 23:09:02 -0400

Sure. Why not...looks pretty.....and spiffy. Don't think it would be much good in any other environment than an office. At least you'd know right off the bat that they weren't anything but an office puke.......just saying////

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2014 9:42 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:42:09 -0500

I used to think so, but I would hate to position my fruit salad every time I changed shirts.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2014 9:47 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:47:29 -0500

On a day to day operations i don't see it as practical

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2014 9:46 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:46:17 -0500

Grate answer

Response by SPC Daniel Edwards made Nov 23 at 2014 10:14 PM

SPC Daniel Edwards — Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:14:52 -0500

I am on both sides of the fence on this one. I can see this working on a unit that works at a battalion or brigade or something official and only once a week. The Marines apparently do it weekly and it works for them. I definitely do not see this happening on a daily basis.

I say no because I hate wearing dress outfits, uniform or civilian.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2014 11:37 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Nov 2014 23:37:21 -0500

This is impractical and not functionally or fiscally sound for our soldiers on a daily bases.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2014 8:12 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:12:36 -0500

I scanned most of the responses, and I saw a lot of things that made me disgusted. I guess this is a forum for opinions, and everyone has one, so I cant complain too much. One, there should be no distinction between a "Garrison" Army and a "Wartime" Army. I say that because we should maintain both mentalities at the same time. We should be able to perform in a professional capacity here in the rear to include wearing our various dress uniforms at appropriate times, and still be able to kit up in our combat gear and train. All of the boo-boo lips being stuck out about "taxing the soldier's pay" too heavily to maintain the uniforms. Please, there are other branches that have at any given time 5-8 different uniforms they have to maintain. The Army has 3. How about you send your Soldiers down to ACS and get some financial management training and quit complaining about the cost of things. Most Soldiers don't even use their clothing allowance for uniform items, so that argument should just stop. The other ones being stuck out about keeping a white shirt clean, if you want to learn how to do that ask anyone who has ever served in the Navy how to keep completely white uniforms clean. As for the initial question. Yes we should wear it for appropriate duties, i.e. any jobs who are primarily located in offices, or in customer service, staff duty, CQ. These aren't just uniforms, they are an outward representation of who you are, and what you have done in your time in the service. You should be proud to wear them whenever called upon.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2014 3:23 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:23:34 -0500

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but if the member is in an office environment, they should be presenting a more professional image.

Response by SGT Kristin Wiley made Nov 24 at 2014 5:02 PM

SGT Kristin Wiley — Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:02:36 -0500

I am voting no. There are many reasons for my answer. The Class B uniform takes significantly more money and time to maintain. You would either have to spend hours washing and ironing the uniform or paying for dry-cleaning on a consistent basis. A cost that many junior soldiers, especially those with families cannot afford. This is the same reason the ACUs were so welcome over the BCUs. I still have a pair of BCUs and I know from experience they take a lot more time to look sharp. If we wore Class B's everyday we would also have to endure the cost of buying multiples of this uniform. The Class B's are also not as forgiving when it comes to fit. Gain 5lbs at your back at alterations, lose 5lbs same thing. My other personal reasoning is that we look like clown's in the B uniform. Black shoes, blue pants, yellow stripe, white shirt, black beret, who thought this color palette made sense? Not to mention our jacket is a completely different shade of blue. You get to throw even more colors into the mix for Airborne, Ranger, and SF units. Civilians look at the uniform and they do not see the United States Army, if anything we look more like a marching band then a military service.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Nov 24 at 2014 8:57 PM

LTC Stephen C. — Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:57:33 -0500

SGM Matthew Quick, so many times I've seen photos of members of the various services together in public situations. In most instances, all the services but for the Army were in some form a dress uniform. The Army types were in ACUs. I've seen photos like these with general officers for goodness sake! Lame. I remember a photo of a new Army lieutenant receiving her first salute from her brother, a Marine. The Marine corporal looked sharp in his Service "C"s (I think that's right), and there was the new Army lieutenant, looking like Sad Sack in her ACUs! Embarrassing! As far as the durability of the new ASUs, that's the Army's problem. With respect to cost, somehow the other services have figured it out, so I would think the Army could as well. Don't get me wrong, the ACUs certainly have their time and place. However, the Class As and Bs also have theirs as well, and the Army should take a peek at the sister services, and dress up.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2014 12:17 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Nov 2014 12:17:25 -0500

If the Army decided to go this route then they must provide/issue 3-5 sets of ASUs with all of the accoutrements that come along with it. There is no way the Army would be willing to spend $1500-$3000 or more on each Soldier with current budget cuts and it wouldn't be fair to expect Soldiers to shell out all of that money either.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2014 10:46 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Nov 2014 22:46:12 -0500

It's basically the equivalent of business casual, it makes sense whenever your not in an environment where your going to get dirty. That said, it would be more expensive to maintain this uniform if someone is wearing it on a daily basis. You would need to raise the clothing allowance enough so that someone could maintain a few extra sets of Class B's.

Response by LCpl Clif Crosswhite made Nov 28 at 2014 4:34 PM

LCpl Clif Crosswhite — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:34:15 -0500

I don't care what they wear but I don't believe utilities should be allowed in public

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Jan 5 at 2015 1:16 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Mon, 05 Jan 2015 13:16:01 -0500

No! It would derail the ability to perform movement intensive hip pocket training.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 3:04 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:04:32 -0500

If your daily duties have you sitting behind a desk. There is no reason why those in BDE level positions and above should be wearing a "field" uniform.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 4:24 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:24:42 -0500

You could just make your camis look professional, we manage in the Corps... and maybe stop wearing them off post. Having regularly worked in the office at my desk, on flight line, aboard my aircraft for a flight, and outside doing shit, often within a single day, running around in service dress just isn't practical, camis or in a perfect world, my flight suit. I suppose there's situations where dress all day every day would be useful, Pentagon, regiment level HQs and higher maybe? I just don't see it being practical for the masses.

Have we (the combined services) done anything like this for daily duties recently? I seem to recall that utilities of some pattern or color have been pretty normal daily wear since at least Vietnam...

Response by SGT David Commini made Apr 7 at 2015 5:32 PM

SGT David Commini — Tue, 07 Apr 2015 17:32:50 -0400

I think for those in an admin position where they won't be doing much heavy lifting or crawling underneath desks then yes.

Take for instance the National Guard AGR people who really only sit behind a desk all day (keeping the unit operational through the month), Class-B's present a much more professional look, and require constant care which helps to promote more discipline. Of course come drill time, AT, or other things they should default to ACU'S.

I don't buy the whole extra cost nonsense. I was on Military Funeral Duty for the better part of 5 years, my daily uniform was Class-B/A and then dress blues. At first I was only making $50 a day but i could still afford to maintain my uniform. It takes proper discipline and care. My uniforms still look outstanding, despite high amounts of wear.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 6:11 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Apr 2015 18:11:57 -0400

I understand this is an Army discussion but i feel the need to comment. NO! a professional look? are we not in the business of warfighting either as the ground troops or supporting them? Is every person in the Army required to know how to shoot a rifle in case they need to use it? Im sorry but Cami's are the professional uniform because that is your profession. And it doesnt matter if your a ground pounding grunt or have an admin job are you not all Soldiers? The Marines do Charlie fridays where every friday we wear our "professional" uniforms. But to require that everyday is just unheard of. Im infantry when i go off to deploy i dont have my briefcase with me and make sure i have plenty of neck ties, i wear the uniform of the job that i have been trained to do my profession. We are military not wallstreet. Camis are our professional uniform.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2015 9:45 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:45:49 -0400

I know when I was in Recruiting Command it was our duty uniform. I think it make sense in some MOS or duties positions.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Jul 5 at 2015 5:25 PM

1LT William Clardy — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 17:25:58 -0400

That's how we used to do it, back in the days when khakis (or TWs) were the uniform de jour for most of the Army.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2015 10:55 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:55:06 -0400

I'm going to split the difference and say it depends. If you're primarily pushing a desk, I'm going to say yes. Battalion/brigade hq elements and above, finance office, SCIF, joint (non-combat) environment, wear them.
But my reason is different than everybody else's. This way I know who doesn't belong. I see someone wearing class b's in my company area, i know to check them out. Is he wearing the right DUI for our unit? Was that face on the wall of people I should know? Is it something to bother/notify the 1SG or Commander? Is it a new soldier, lost?
Either way, a problem identified, is a problem half solved.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 2:28 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 02:28:09 -0400

The US Army is the only services that even permits the field/combat uniform in most public situations. I think the the Class B is more professional for public (other than field demonstrations) and office environments. My guess is that the Army wants to market the Warrior Image; the USMC obviously doesn't have to worry about that. However, the commercials and field demonstrations should do that. i also think schools would be less inclined to reject recruiters who are wearing a service rather than a field uniform. That being said, I do think the current class B is very poor. It looks like an ice cream man. (I think that's why the majority no votes) I would like to see either a return to the Army Green Class A/B but bring back the tan shirt but wear the current epaulets and Class B stuff on that. Or bring back the old Khaki maybe with the current Class B insignia.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2015 1:59 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:59:13 -0400

Absolutely!!! Let's be a true profession and be proud of our uniform!!!!!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2015 12:01 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:01:34 -0400

Yes. Every day I dress for combat so that I may attend meetings and interact with my civilian counterparts who wear business attire.

Response by SrA David Steyer made Nov 22 at 2015 3:14 PM

SrA David Steyer — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:14:45 -0500

If common sense is applied, maybe.

I remember in 2011 the Army started to wear the Class B uniform more often, about 4x a week at the Pentagon and around DC and I was told that it didn't last too long. Maybe it went back to 4x a week but I can tell you the Air Force loved the idea, implemented it and went way overboard in some ways.

Example: The back gate at my base once this change was implemented, the Security Forces (MP) member at the gate was wearing blues (Class B) 4 times a week and was not in anyway safe or armed, as they had no weapon or body armor. When they were wearing ABU's though, they were carrying a weapon and had body armor. Not to mention the change happened around this time of the year and the weather started to get cold and wet.

I PCS'ed to FL in June 2012, and USAF members in DC stopped wearing blues 4x a week and would only wear them if a ceremony was going on. No idea if it has changed since.

Formal Fridays is a silly idea, unless you make the civilians dress up too. It always looked odd wearing Class B on Friday because the service members have to dress up while the civilians are wearing jeans or other casual clothing.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2015 5:15 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 17:15:24 -0500

Is the idea to imitate a 'corporate' look? Come on. We are SOLDIERS...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 25 at 2015 3:12 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 03:12:12 -0500

I'll go against the norm here......I voted yes. I work in a staff setting 95% of the time and although it would be more tedious, I believe taking the time to set up ones dress uniform instills a sense of pride. I'll probably have to buy a few more pairs of pants, dress shirts and a steamer. Set up nice facilities for the laundry and bath specialists and allow ALL Soldiers to drop of dress uniforms for dry cleaning at no cost to the Soldier.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2015 11:29 AM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:29:29 -0500

Even as an Infantryman, I vote yes to the idea of wearing it once or twice a month. I take great pride in wearing the dress uniform and would like to sport it more then once or twice a year. Even though the B's do look kinda crappy, if you take pride in the uniform and have it all nice and setup, it can still look professional. When I was in ROTC I was always a little jealous of the Marine/Navy and Air Force cadets because they worse their khaki service uniforms on their class days, while we always wore our horrid ACU's. Yeah they had to wake up early and iron and polish them, but they were proud of that fact. I see a lot of people here talk about how hard it would be on the soldier financially and would not be worth it. Wearing them once or twice a month will not break the bank for soldiers. We are slowly returning to a garrison Army and the standards are rising, and I believe pride in appearance should go up as well. Hell I make sure to have a garrison set of ACU's always ready that are crisp and clean.

I'm in the National Guard and I think we should even wear the B's like 1 day every 3 months or so when we know we have nothing but classes and paperwork all day.
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Response by SSgt Michael Cox made Dec 2 at 2016 6:34 PM

SSgt Michael Cox — Fri, 02 Dec 2016 18:34:08 -0500

The Air Force went to this if you had a non-maintenance job or were not on flying status for that day you are required to wear the service blues. There are a few others like security forces in non office positions and firemen but other than that everyone on base should be in blues unless deployed to the desert.

Response by SGT Randel Pruett made Dec 2 at 2016 6:49 PM

SGT Randel Pruett — Fri, 02 Dec 2016 18:49:07 -0500

No, one work uniform for all.........

Response by COL William Oseles made Dec 2 at 2016 7:56 PM

COL William Oseles — Fri, 02 Dec 2016 19:56:51 -0500

WTF? If you want an office job, which is about the only place this kind of uniform is appropriate I suggest the Air Force.

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Dec 3 at 2016 7:05 AM

MAJ Ron Peery — Sat, 03 Dec 2016 07:05:37 -0500

Class B TW's from the early days of my military life, maybe (late 70's, early 80's). That was a good looking uniform that could stand a little rough treatment. Not these office dweller togs. But seriously, I think that by having one uniform for daily wear for line units and another for CS/CSS personnel, you are creating an artificial dividing line between "classes" of soldier. Lord knows, we already have a perceived separation between combat soldiers and "fobbits and REMP's". Let's not multiply the problem by making those support people wear a different uniform.

Response by Ian Crawford made Dec 23 at 2016 1:29 AM

Ian Crawford — Fri, 23 Dec 2016 01:29:01 -0500

From what I have heard most of the troops don't like the "Mall Cop" Class B but the Army doesn't want to spend money on a different Class A, so why don't they just have a different Class B top to go with the current bottoms? I am only a civilian and this could be a lot more complicated than it is on paper.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2018 12:07 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Feb 2018 00:07:03 -0500

SMA Daniel Dailey is working on this right now with the revival of the Pink & Greens!

Response by Sgt Tee Organ made Feb 2 at 2018 8:51 AM

Sgt Tee Organ — Fri, 02 Feb 2018 08:51:46 -0500

Office Joes certainly, when you go to an office to get stuff done there you wanna see professional looking people working there, not people who look like they just got in from digging holes or working on cars. unless they are in the field though of course.

Response by Sgt Tee Organ made Feb 2 at 2018 8:52 AM

Sgt Tee Organ — Fri, 02 Feb 2018 08:52:19 -0500

Never dress in your field jammies out in town, yall need to knock that off.

Response by CPL Ricky N made Oct 7 at 2018 7:57 AM

CPL Ricky N — Sun, 07 Oct 2018 07:57:11 -0400

Only soldiers who would suggest this would be the “all show, no-go” type.

Response by SSG Walter Corretjer made Oct 12 at 2022 12:53 PM

SSG Walter Corretjer — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 12:53:16 -0400

People have to know that one thing is one thing,and another thing is another.The fatigue or combat uniform has been designed especifically for combat and heavy duty work with boots and everything else.The rest of the time,like is been done in the civilian world,people use light comfortable clothing or coat and tie to go to work,unless you work in construction or other heavy duty kind of job.That's the reason why we should move to the use of the dress uniforms for a daily use,as it was done for years and years in the military and no one had any problems at all in doing this until now.
So let's do the things the right way and stop looking for unrationale excuses to continue looking like cram in the military.
Beside been a retired NCO,I'am Public Relations Professional,Image Specialist and Research Psychologist.