Should the AF take a clue from our 670-1?

SFC A.M. Drake — Tue, 06 May 2014 20:14:33 -0400

What do you say?

Response by MSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 8:27 PM

MSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 20:27:08 -0400

That hair is out of control. And why is she wearing her headgear? Holy cow....

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 8:30 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 20:30:17 -0400

According to AFI 36-2903 her bun is out of regs. Also the last time I checked the Air Force does not wear a cover indoors. The military has a standard. When you sign your contract you are agreeing to uphold that standard. When the standard is not upheld you hurt your own organization. You degrade the honor of the military thus you degrade the honor of your country. The military is more than a job, it is a service.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 8:57 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 20:57:22 -0400

I don't think this is an issue of if WE should take a clue from the Army dress and appearance reg as much as it is an example of bad leadership and wingmanship.

Her hair is obviously beyond the bulk allowed and is falling over the collar, not to mention the wearing of headgear indoors. The hat is probably holding it all together.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 9:09 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 21:09:15 -0400

Oh good grief

Smh...

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made May 6 at 2014 9:10 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Tue, 06 May 2014 21:10:27 -0400

If I make that correction though, suddenly I'm a racist or a sexist...

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 9:51 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 21:51:29 -0400

nasty thing! result of nasty leadership. Let's see a kevlar on that grape too, ugh, disgusting. I hope the person taking the picture did it to make a point in a positive way and square this airman away.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 10:02 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 22:02:07 -0400

I don't see how she would have made it through BMT or tech school with that.

Response by SGM Jerry Finin made May 6 at 2014 10:05 PM

SGM Jerry Finin — Tue, 06 May 2014 22:05:43 -0400

This is taking it a bit too far !!!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2014 12:58 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 00:58:42 -0400

First, I have to say that I'm saddened at some of the responses so far. I hope that those weren't the responses that were expected from this discussion.

I don't know enough from this picture to make a specific judgment, but I would be highly skeptical that top AF brass condone this at the level of our AR 670-1. That said, this could be attention to detail on the Soldier's part (cap maybe, hair is a stretch) or lack of discipline by leadership, both NCO and Officer.

More relevant question: What was the purpose of this picture, and what was the corrective action that followed. If proper counseling followed, and this picture was used for documentation, then I applaud the Soldier (but question why pic went public); otherwise, that Soldier is just stirring up drama. Document, counsel, and move on.

Response by CMC Robert Young made May 7 at 2014 6:33 AM

CMC Robert Young — Wed, 07 May 2014 06:33:24 -0400

Wow is all I can say!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2014 6:46 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 06:46:07 -0400

Whoa.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2014 7:25 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 07:25:18 -0400

There will always be those that try to get away with not following the regulations. It's the job of other Airmen and their leadership to call them out on it. Just because it occurs occasionally, does not mean that it is "allowed".

Response by SGT Ben Keen made May 7 at 2014 9:01 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Wed, 07 May 2014 09:01:52 -0400

I've seen less knots used to tie a boat up to a dock! There's a line that wasn't just crossed, it was destroyed.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2014 11:13 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 11:13:00 -0400

I'm going to show some support to the Air Force and say this-

Every single branch has service members who cannot follow the regulations, for one reason or another. If that is legitimately how her chain of command allows business to be conducted, then shame on all of them. But let's not just pick on the Air Force, as we've all seen some soup-sandwich looking personnel in uniform at one point or another. It happens, and it needs to be corrected.

Response by MAJ Dallas D. made May 7 at 2014 11:15 AM

MAJ Dallas D. — Wed, 07 May 2014 11:15:57 -0400

I am sure this is not allowed by Air Force Regs, but I can say I have seen this all over MacDill AFB when I was there.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2014 12:34 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 12:34:00 -0400

But it's natural...

Response by SSG Robert Burns made May 7 at 2014 12:37 PM

SSG Robert Burns — Wed, 07 May 2014 12:37:35 -0400

When you say "take a clue" do you mean like about how many forums we have on hear about us arguing about it? ;-)

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2014 1:43 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 13:43:47 -0400

At first I thought there was a small animal attacking the back of her head! Crazy...

Response by SGT James P. Davidson, MSM made May 8 at 2014 11:33 AM

SGT James P. Davidson, MSM — Thu, 08 May 2014 11:33:53 -0400

While she is obviously 'out of regs' (and I am not condoning it nor offering an excuse), I wonder if she might be in the Air Guard or Reserves where she only has to be concerned for one weekend a month, two weeks per year outside of any deployments or other activation. In some cases, I have seen males that get rather 'scruffy' or 'scraggly' for the rest of the month, and don't try very hard during their duty weekends, and in some cases it is let slide.

My personal opinion, however, is that this is most likely a weave, and something she knows shouldn't fly while in uniform. She can't have achieved her rank without knowing better.

Her leadership has failed her miserably.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 8:40 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 May 2014 20:40:26 -0400

We don't need to take a clue. Our regulations practically mirror each other. The Army's update to female hair finally matches ours. If I ever walk into a room & see this, I would have a conversation with the Airman outside the room & give her one hour to report to my office IN proper uniform standards. Next I would have a serious discussion with the ranking person in the room. This is NOT allowed. The few blatant uniform violations are not in any way a good representation of the AF as a whole. Posting a pic like this is only counterproductive since any of us could find pics of our fellow servicemembers poorly representing standards from weight to grooming.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2014 11:40 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:40:59 -0500

WTF is that on the back of her head? That's wrong even for the Air Force. I might have to get a tetanus shot after viewing that train wreak.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Nov 22 at 2014 12:59 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 12:59:04 -0500

"That regulation is racist! This is natural!"

Response by PO2 Corey Ferretti made Nov 22 at 2014 1:32 PM

PO2 Corey Ferretti — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 13:32:03 -0500

I'm pretty sure this is against Air Force grooming standards and either a failure on this Airmen's leadership or this Airmen is seeing how far she can push the grooming standard.

Response by SFC Maury Gonzalez made Nov 9 at 2015 10:01 PM

SFC Maury Gonzalez — Mon, 09 Nov 2015 22:01:59 -0500

No matter how much tact you use to correct her, expect a call or visit from the EO to go on YOUR file

Response by SFC Victor Serrano made Dec 20 at 2015 8:09 PM

SFC Victor Serrano — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:09:20 -0500

Nice hair! Is she trying out for the AF Hair Club..Lol..