Posted on Aug 26, 2014
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Or should the best equipment go to the MTOE active duty units? Would really like some feedback on this...
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AIT Soldiers must be proficient at the basic tools of the trade. They do not need an M4 with an ACOG, 5x adapter, a PEQ2 and a PSQ20. They need an M16 with iron sights. They don't need a DAGGR, they need a compass and a map and a great NCO to show them how to use it. Equipment is too specialized to the modular brigades right now to ensure that AIT can provide them the breadth of the modern equipment that they are going to see across the Army. Teach them the basics...with the basic tools. The operational force will then add to that basic knowledge by teaching them what they need to know about the enhanced tools they are going to do their job with.
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1SG Calanski Brunson
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That's what I meant to say in a nutshell. Why can't I make cool comments like him!!!
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It's the Stetson. It has an automatic translation device which allows me to sound much better than I actually am.
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and frankly...the most important part of that whole paragraph is the "great NCO." If you could only give an AIT student ONE thing...it would be the best damn NCO you could find. There shouldn't be a DA selection process. There should be a selection process of only the best from each battalion in the Army. Mandated to provide 2-3 per year to fill the ranks. Those NCO's should THEN be vetted. Not the other way around. I know who I would want training my son or my daughter. DA has no idea. Let me select the best...let them create the best...and then the organizational Army can mold them into the future leaders of America's Army.
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Great comments sir, and I totally support each comment. What boggles me is why does a AIT unit have a 5 MRAPS on their TDA, when only one works, and they only are authorized 1ea, and then when the vehicle breaks down there is no funding to fix the vehicle because its a AIT unit. Well why issue them the vehicles in the first place. Or why issue them 3,000 brand NBC masks if they are only using and authorized 500. Which means 2,500 masks are never being used or touched. Trying to understand the mindset of who created this, but at the same time taking shall I say "baby steps" to fix the problem.
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MSG Wade Huffman
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Seems to me the proper answer is both. What good does it do to train individuals on equipment in AIT that they will not use when when they get to their unit. They need to be trained on the current equipment that is used in the operational force. Granted, timing is everything since fielding of new equipment takes time and can't realistically be accomplished simultaneously across the force, but the AIT units should be included in the initial fielding plans on any new equipment.
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MSG Wade Huffman
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SFC (Join to see) , I'm not saying that equipment should be fielded to TRADOC units prior to MTOE units, just that they should be included in all fielding plans. Naturally they would have a lower priority (since it's unreasonable to assume fielding could occur throughout the force simultaneously). If we are going to expect our newly trained Soldiers to be able to work with a Model XYZ of a particular piece of equipment, it would be a waste of time, and money to train them on Model ABC considering they would most likely never see that particular model again after leaving AIT.
I'm also going to have to disagree with your comment on 'excess unauthorized property'. If the equipment used to train our future Soldiers is excess and unauthorized, then how would you propose we train them?
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All units for example have 10ea generators on hand but are only authorized 5 ea. Which means 5 brand new generators sit in the motorpool for years not used. Multiply that times 100, that's 500 generators sitting in motorpools which active duty MTOE units are short and could easily be using. Again not taking away from the training aspect in any way possible. AIT soldiers still get there required training on the top notch equipment.
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MSG Wade Huffman
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SFC (Join to see) , I agree that would be excess and needs to be reallocated to a unit that needs them; I took your comment to mean that ALL equipment used to train AIT soldiers was excess and unauthorized, which is a completely unreasonable stance, hence my disagreement. As far as that goes, NO unit should have excess, unauthorized equipment (key word unauthorized).
To your original question, I should clarify that I'm not speaking of minor modifications which do not effect the general operation of the equipment, I'm speaking more in terms of completely redesigned equipment that would be 'foreign' to the soldier upon arrival at his or her unit and requires significantly different training in order to operate it effectively (an overly simplistic analogy would be replacing a typewriter with a word processor).
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And with that comment sir, I totally agree with you.
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I feel that if Active duty or National Guard is still using a piece equipment and it is still on MTOE, I am going to use the Transportation Corp as an example, then we should expose our Soldiers to training on all the types of equipment they may encounter. For example: there is a major difference in a M1070A1, M916, M1075, M1083, M1114, and the various MRAPs if we only expose our Soldiers to certain family classifications then we have burdened the units these Soldiers go to with the job of completely training these individuals from scratch. Yes, it is a units responsibility to conduct drivers training and yes Soldiers come from AIT with a permit and only receive license upon completion of drivers training at their duty station. However, having a Soldier come to you with at least a basic knowledge of a piece of the equipment helps immensely. This also gives yours Soldiers more confidence and motivation when they look in the motor pool and recognize the equipment you are assigning them to. I am all about trying to set Soldiers up for success and the more exposure and training they can get the more successful they will be, if that means they need to stay in AIT longer to be able to cover the various different types of equipment then so be it. If we train Soldiers with the "best" equipment in AIT what happens when they get to their unit and the unit's MTOE still has the old equipment on it and these Soldiers are lost because they have never seen it. This is why we should train to what is out there and include a range from the equipment that is being phased out to the equipment that is getting ready to be issued and then we have created a bridge for our Soldiers to work with. Some things will still fall through the cracks but we will have a broader span of knowledge in our new Soldiers and we won't pigeon hole them to certain equipment knowledge. Just my opinion.
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Let's stay on the subject of MRAPS, we have a unit here that uses MRAPS to transport soldiers from one point to the next. Problem now is the MRAP is deadline and there are no funds to fill the request, lets just say for a new window, as it was mentioned to me. So my question is why give this unit MRAPS as a nice to have but not give them the funding to maintain it. So as of today I believe this unit has 3 MRAP vehicles in the motor-pool, just sitting there because there is no funding to support the vehicle. Then the commander wants to turn them in and he is told he cant because it is a part of the POI, yet it's sitting in the motor-pool, I'm absolutely dumbfounded.
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