SGT Randall Stanaway 2877000 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Personally I think it should, although I am aware it would probably be difficult to implement and maintain. I think the &#39;one size fits all&#39; approach rarely works, and yes I understand that for junior NCOs the each MOS has different point requirements. 2017-08-29T14:03:31-04:00 SGT Randall Stanaway 2877000

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Personally I think it should, although I am aware it would probably be difficult to implement and maintain. I think the &#39;one size fits all&#39; approach rarely works, and yes I understand that for junior NCOs the each MOS has different point requirements.

2017-08-29T14:03:31-04:00 2017-08-29T14:03:31-04:00 SGM Erik Marquez 2877012

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What are you trying to solve and how does your &quot;suggestion&quot; with no actual ideas to follow solve the issue.<br />I was taught and followed the concept best i could for 28 yeas,<br />Never complain unless your willing to identify the specific issue you want solved and have a workable solution to the complaint.<br /><br />So far you have not identified what the specific issue you want to solve is.<br />Nor after doing that have you suggested a solution other than a hand wave &quot;do it differently&quot; <br /><br />You may have a very valid point others agree with... What is it?

2017-08-29T14:08:49-04:00 2017-08-29T14:08:49-04:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 2877093

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;m curious. What issues and concerns are you facing/seeing? What would be your recommended fix it plan?

2017-08-29T14:42:50-04:00 2017-08-29T14:42:50-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 2877163

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Do you mean create a separate promotion system based on MOS Branch? For example, a different promoting standard for a Mechanic then say a Paralegal?<br />It&#39;s interesting and maybe it would work well idk, but what about the guys who transfer MOS?

2017-08-29T15:12:05-04:00 2017-08-29T15:12:05-04:00 SGT David T. 2877180

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Although I have been out of the game a while, I agree with you. I found that the promotion system by and far does not lend itself to promoting good leaders. It promotes folks based on what blocks they check. Too often have I seen folks that couldn&#39;t lead to save their lives get promoted. I think a promotion system based on one&#39;s actual leadership abilities would be better. Of course I really haven&#39;t the slightest idea on how to do that short of making incompetence a capital offense. That might work....lol

2017-08-29T15:21:19-04:00 2017-08-29T15:21:19-04:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 2877288

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am a fan of the system the Navy uses for testing before you are eligible for promotion. I would be up for that. The Army doesn&#39;t need to completely revamp the promotion system, but a few minor tweaks would work. On my E5 promotion board, I wasn&#39;t asked a single question about my MOS. On my E6 promotion board, one of the board members asked a ton of questions that related to my MOS. That board member was famous for asking MOS-related questions and I believe it made for a better board experience. I think every board should have MOS-related questions, at least until the Army implemented MOS-specific testing like the Navy.<br /><br />I don&#39;t think the rating system needs to be MOS-specific. I could be wrong, but Character, Presence, Intellect, Leads, Develops, and Achieves seem to be categories that fit every Army MOS.

2017-08-29T16:03:35-04:00 2017-08-29T16:03:35-04:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 2877320

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Such a system would have serious problems with low density MOSs and Soldiers filing billets in staff positions. <br /><br /><br />For instance, I have moved up the ranks as a CBRN NCO, yet have done relatively little in this job over the years. But, I have become very developed in general NCO skills which as training, mentoring, and planning because of my time and experience in staff and leadership positions. <br /><br />I am unsure what you are really proposing in your question, but I don&#39;t think evaluating and promoting on separate MOS criteria makes much sense, especially in situations like mine

2017-08-29T16:16:32-04:00 2017-08-29T16:16:32-04:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 2877733

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Something to keep in mind is that someone recommends the Soldier to go before the promotion board. Not all MOSs work in a section specific to their MOS and/or are working outside of their MOS (i.e. low density MOSs). Should they be prevented from promotion opportunities when they do not have control over where they work? Between the first line supervisor and the Soldier, are plans/trainings being implemented in order to ensure the Soldier is maintaining proficiency in their skill level as well as the next skill level? I do not disagree that some tweeks could be made to improve the system but to provide a blanket fix for all MOSs could present some difficulty...unless, as previously mentioned, we bring back the SQTs. Just my two cents.

2017-08-29T19:40:17-04:00 2017-08-29T19:40:17-04:00 CSM Private RallyPoint Member 2880195

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No. <br />This is not the Navy and it makes things over complicated and unfair. <br />I&#39;ll propose this instead. The army needs to just reinstate the old specialist system. Soldiers can specialize in their respective MOS and get paid base pay for each grade. If they work in a more technical MOS they can get paid accordingly. Leadership rank, SGT to SGM can be for those who are actual leaders and are good/evaluated as such. I think that would be a better system.

2017-08-30T18:38:02-04:00 2017-08-30T18:38:02-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 2881256

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Although I have been out of the Army for many years. The system needs revamping. I remember the days when promotion had to be distributed within Race, Male &amp; Female, and then by MOS. Within my MOS it was very had to get promoted, very competitive with that said, I was working directly with a CW4. I remember to this day he called me into his office, as I was in the primary zone for SFC. He asked me if I wanted to be promoted to SFC yes of course. I said how can a promotion be guaranteed, he said because I&#39;m your rater, and was due an SEER. Low and behold came out on the next list, with promotion 2 months later. Sounded fishy to me but it happened. So there are faults within the system. Not saying that I hadn&#39;t earned the promotion. I worked hard at being a good leader, supervisor and soldier.

2017-08-31T07:52:12-04:00 2017-08-31T07:52:12-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 2883044

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>At this point I view that the rank structure is the issue. The system is built of the antiqued Idea of Noble Lords, Knights, and peasants. Hence you have your officers, NCOs, and lower enlisted. The government went and applied this to all branches, adjusting here and there. They also add officers on warrants instead of commission. <br />The military is no longer based on your lineage or what your parents did while they served. <br />A NCO is a leader, what is a someone in JAG or the supply cage leading. Spec ranks had a purpose but they were replaced by Warrent officers who are few and between, and sometimes over paid. <br />I think the focus should change to rebuilding the structure instead of repairing a patched together system.<br /><br />Thoughts?

2017-08-31T19:58:56-04:00 2017-08-31T19:58:56-04:00 2017-08-29T14:03:31-04:00