Posted on Apr 26, 2016
Lt Col Jim Coe
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This article makes a compelling case for redesign of the DoD medal and ribbon policies. The solution offered, wearing valor awards on the right side of uniform, may not please many service members, but it's one idea. Please read the article and take the survey.
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No need to change tradition. Just more emphases on proper award awarding. Here is Eisenhower's actually ribbon rack.
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CPT John Green
CPT John Green
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1stSgt (Join to see) just agreeing with you.
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1SG Ronald Rieck
1SG Ronald Rieck
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They had Eisenhower's dress uniform displayed at the Smithsonian American History museum when I visited many years ago. A buttload of awards...
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LCDR Mike Morrissey
LCDR Mike Morrissey
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If valor awards were to be worn on a separate side, none of Ike's award would move out of his current rack. All his were for meritorious service as in the Distinguished Service Medals (as opposed to DSCs), foreign awards for the same and a multitude of service and campaign medals.
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CPT Lawrence Cichelli
CPT Lawrence Cichelli
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The current policy takes into account not all Service members deploy to a Combat Zone. Yet these people do exceptional work, so why shouldn't they get rewarded for their efforts? Yes, I'll be the first to tell I' fall into this category. I've earned 2 MSMs, 5 ARCOMs, 3ACMs and take pride in what I accomplished. Why should I not wear these awards?
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SPC Casey Ashfield
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Keep the awards and medals as they are. Change the criteria by which awards are given. An E-7 should not get a Bronze Star just for sitting around, getting fat and drinking 8 cups of coffee a day. While an E-4 medic or infantryman suppresses 12 fighters making multiple trips to carry wounded allies gets an ARCOM with V device.

It would take a top down change to allow awards be given out solely based on merit and not by rank. I had 4 members of my chain of command nominate me for a Silver Star as an end of tour award. It got busted down to an ARCOM because of my rank. Soldiers in my age bracket join for many reasons and leave for just as many. Having a little bit of recognition would go a long way in helping retention NCOs to do their job.
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SPC Ashfield: it sounds like your unit had an interesting way of doing things. Then again, I once saw a 1LT get an AAM for successfully coordinating with the FRG and organizing the company Halloween party for children of service members. So when it comes to awards, I guess nothing is shocking anymore.
I guess I’m a little confused by your original post. You wrote that you had four members in your chain of command nominate you for a silver star. Are you saying that four superiors submitted 638s for a silver star on your behalf, and they were all downgraded to ARCOM, no V? Or that your Recommender (block 14 DA 638) and subsequent intermediate authorities (blocks 23, 24, 25) all concurred, but the approval authority (block 26) disapproved and downgraded to ARCOM, no V?

I know the Army award system is flawed. Deeply. If you did your job right, though..that’s what matters. It’s definitely a sh*t sandwich when you don’t think you get what you earned, but there’s no extra silver star pay. Or bsm w/V pay for the E7, either. But if you can look in the mirror and know you did it right (and more importantly, your brothers know you did it right), the medal doesn’t matter.
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SPC Casey Ashfield
SPC Casey Ashfield
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Interesting question. I do not know all the in and outs of the paperwork and forms for awards. Blocks, recommenders and whatnot. I do know that my team leader, XO, CO, and a fellow E4 nominated me for the SSM. The downgrading authority came from either the battalion commander or brigade commander, I cannot remember which.

My overseas experience opened my eyes in spades when I returned stateside. I had trained with my unit for 2 years before deploying and was still very green while overseas. I had lead missions but never got a full taste of leadership. Getting back I had more knowledge and experience than many E5/6/7s just without the comparable rank. I was a full time team leaders as an E4 and I was always on the top list to develop and teach hip pocket lessons I learned the hard way. That far outweighs any medal I got.
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About experience above rank..I get it. I’ve been in those shoes, also. And there was probably a salty E3 out there somewhere with more knowledge/experience than both of us. It’s just the nature of the beast.
All of that info should be on your 638. Not a big deal. Ultimately, knowledge gained, lives saved, and all is well.
Best of luck, brother!
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SSG Russell Busicchia
SSG Russell Busicchia
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I'm a bit confused. Back in the late 80's / early 90's the precedent was changed to give more emphasis on valor awards. Example: a Purple Heart for valor would be above an MSM or LOM. What happened?
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LTC Stephen C.
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Lt Col Jim Coe, if anything, I think that the number of medals and ribbons will grow. I'm not altogether certain that anything WILL be done to accomplish what you suggest. My father served just shy of three years in the U.S. Navy during WWII, and was all over the Pacific for a fair amount of that time. This was all he was awarded and that was during a declared war for goodness sake!
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Cpl Charles Trump
Cpl Charles Trump
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True, Marines that served in the pacific got exactly what you see unless they got a Heart or another type of medal other then that that was it. I'm glad to see today things are more fairly done. Of course now the USMC doesnt do end of tour awards. That's a ridiculous practice anyway. But I do think the process is done better these days.
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Cpl Charles Trump
Cpl Charles Trump
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Sgt John Koliha yes. Stars on Marine and Navy do indicate just that.
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Lt Col Walter Green
Lt Col Walter Green
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For what it is worth, your father's ribbons can be upgraded to include the Navy's Combat Action ribbon. Award was extended to be retroactive for World War II, a battle star meets the requirements. I did this for my father.
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LTC Stephen C.
LTC Stephen C.
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Many thanks, Lt Col Walter Green! I’ll check it out!
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