Should the military allow retirees to come back?

2015-09-28T09:05:52-04:00

Those who are retired, should you be able to come back in like professional sport athletes? If you took a one rank reduction?

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Sep 28 at 2015 9:07 AM

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I think the better question would be do the retirees want to come back!

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Sep 28 at 2015 9:10 AM

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I believe most would, but with people hitting the max time in service allowances for the next rank down, not many of us would be allowed. But I bet many would try.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2015 9:12 AM

2015-09-28T09:12:07-04:00

I've often thought that the longer we are "out" of the Service, the more we think, "Man, if only I knew then what I know now"...I'm sure I'd be a heckuva lot better DIV-O, OPS-O today than I ever was in my twenties-LOL!

Maybe there should be a way of organizing a volunteer "Old Guys with Opinions" reserve supporting local active and Reserve bases...Come in periodically to advise, assist and train, with the option of volunteering to be activated when needed.

That said, we'd have to agree to do it all "pro-bono" since there's certainly not funding for us :/

Response by PO1 John Miller made Sep 28 at 2015 9:14 AM

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I know I wouldn't want to come back in, especially at a reduced rank!

Response by MAJ Jim Steven made Sep 28 at 2015 10:37 AM

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well...instead of come back in, how about not be so quick to put people out.
For example, for promotions - you only get 3 looks between these 3 years only, and if you dont make it, you are put out to pasture.
why dont you move those people to fill some of the critical shortages.
Thus putting some gray area between "no longer competives with peers" and "completely useless."

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2015 10:54 AM

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The issue is that if people have retired they are typically very close to or already at high year tenure. In the event that someone truly wasn't I think they could conceivably come back but we're talking about a very small percentage of the retired population;.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Sep 28 at 2015 11:03 AM

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Only if there's a critical need for the Army. Otherwise, we'd just plug up the promotions process for others.

Response by SFC Sean Dupnak made Sep 29 at 2015 1:36 PM

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Yes our experience is invaluable to the new leaders that have no experience

Response by SFC Charles E Hightower made Sep 29 at 2015 1:44 PM

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After serving 22 years (Jun 71 to Jul 93) it was This Men Army, No thank Some of Us hate this new Army!!!

Response by LTC Robert Sankner made Sep 29 at 2015 1:46 PM

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I came back to active duty Nov 2006 and spent a year in Afghanstan and another year at Fort Leavenworth. Same rank with no possibility of promotion, no PT test, no evaluation reports. There were many of us at the time.

Response by CPO Chris Kellar made Sep 29 at 2015 1:57 PM

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I would love to go back in. I retired ten years ago and have a good job with good benefits, but I miss the Navy everyday, but as a Chief, I would not take a reduction in rank...

Response by SPC George Rudenko made Sep 29 at 2015 2:02 PM

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Quid pro quo. A retiree can't come back on their own volition,... BUT you can get yanked back if the DOD wants you.

Response by TSgt Jonathan Nettles made Sep 29 at 2015 2:06 PM

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I would only come back for a promotion and recalled back.

Response by CW5 Jose Rodriguez Fabiani made Sep 29 at 2015 3:11 PM

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I agree with David Lockwood "do retirees want to come back?"...however, I must say that the military was a great career for me and I would come back if call due to all out war. My issue with coming back voluntary is that we will be used to make the numbers that poor planning created. I will explain: every ten years or so it seen that HRC does not get the number of recruits and here they come with marketing program to patch the poor planning of the past. In my case I served near 42 years and wanted to remain in active duty, meeting all my requirements but sorry Chief you got to go I was told by my HRC manager. I was at the prime of my career I could afforded to give the military few years of production due to my position and expertise, nerveless the numbers game was much too powerful. Lack of leadership and poor planning by HRC need to be the next topic of discussion.

Response by CPO Emmett (Bud) Carpenter made Sep 29 at 2015 3:11 PM

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I'm way too old!!!!!! But it's a nice thought.

Response by CPL Todd Murray made Sep 29 at 2015 3:15 PM

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I didn't retire but was put out at 15 years due to not being able to get promoted because of MOS over strength and military downsizing. I would come back in in a heartbeat.

Response by SFC Randolph Michaud made Sep 29 at 2015 3:18 PM

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yes

Response by SFC Tacco PLaine made Sep 29 at 2015 3:47 PM

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I would come bank in a Heart-Beat but not with a grade reduction!

Response by SFC Tacco PLaine made Sep 29 at 2015 3:48 PM

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I would in a Heart-Beat , not with a grade reduction..

Response by PO3 Scot Fahey made Sep 29 at 2015 4:05 PM

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February 2017, there may be a serious need to do this. , Voluntary preferred

Response by MSgt Russell Daniels made Sep 29 at 2015 4:06 PM

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I don't think so. That's the reason they added TOPCAP. Get the old ideas out and give the younger people an opportunity to make a difference. Times change, attitudes change, the military has changed. Don't need my old opinion :)

Response by MAJ Robert Wilson made Sep 29 at 2015 4:24 PM

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Why would a retiree want to come back. For the most part, I enjoyed my career but it was time to get out and let the 'kids' enjoy it.

Response by PO1 Darreall Hildebrant made Sep 29 at 2015 4:25 PM

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I may be to old but if we were at war i would work in the galley or mess hall to free up some youngsters for the real fighting.

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Sep 29 at 2015 4:32 PM

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It makes no sense that they are down sizing the force, that they would do that?

Response by SFC David Dennis made Sep 29 at 2015 4:33 PM

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When Pigs fly...why would a retiree want to put up with the day to day BS?

Response by PO1 Rony Kelley made Sep 29 at 2015 4:37 PM

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I think if you are to come back in, there should be a special pay grade for those that do so. For example. An E-7 should be promoted to E-8r and get payed a little less than an E-8 active and little more than an E-7 active. Just my opinion.

Response by SSG Jeff Harris made Sep 29 at 2015 4:39 PM

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No I wouldn't because I earned my rank

Response by MAJ Terry Stanley made Sep 29 at 2015 4:46 PM

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Absolutely, I'm 48 and would consider going back

Response by CAPT Hiram Patterson made Sep 29 at 2015 4:49 PM

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I'm older than 60 on the Reserve side and already getting retired pay so not very likely. Tempting under the right conditions. An O-5 with over 32 years. So the $ wpuld be good. But I have a VA disability on my right shoulder from an injury in Iraq in 2005 and second injury to it in 2011 doing a PRT. Likely not PQ anymore. And then again it's not the same Navy I was in.

Response by SPC Gene Claywell made Sep 29 at 2015 4:53 PM

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I would go back

Response by MSG John Wirts made Sep 29 at 2015 4:57 PM

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Well many of us are physically unfit for duty, but have knowledge that would be useful. Depending on the potential usefulness of older knowledge, I was an instructor and I would be willing to return to those duties if needed. one concern I have is that with the advent of GPS land navigation with a compass has been discontinued. One EMP strike could wipe out all our Computers, GPS, Communications, Vehicles, and Some Weapons. If we cannot use pre computer technology, we we may well be wiped out with out a fight.

Response by Maj Marty Greene made Sep 29 at 2015 4:58 PM

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I retired in 1994 as a prior-enlisted Major with 24 yrs service. I answered the voluntary recall for my specialty in 2009, fifteen years later, as a 59 yr old. I had to go on the fat boy program, and did several TDYs in the AOR, including Afghanistan. I loved every minute of the two-year gig! Now I'm REALLY retired!

Response by CPO Edwin Stewart made Sep 29 at 2015 5:16 PM

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YES AND SHOULD BE AND UP ONE GRADE
THEY GOT EXPERIENCE AND KNOW HOW

Response by CPL Howard Conover made Sep 29 at 2015 5:34 PM

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Yes and not only retirees but any Veteran who can still serve in a professional and healthy manner.

Response by MSgt Paul Anderson made Sep 29 at 2015 5:37 PM

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During Desert Storm, the AF had some forced recalls and some voluntary ones for crtical skills, such as EOD. The ones I know that answered the call re -retired at a higher pay grade. A few E-7's retired again as E-8's.
The forced recalls I knew of were all Mid Eastern language specialists.

Response by PVT John Williams made Sep 29 at 2015 5:41 PM

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Within reason. There needs to be a hard cut-off age.

Response by 1SG Antwan Nicholson made Sep 29 at 2015 5:59 PM

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I would not come back at a reduced rank. I've been retired for four years now and miss it every day. Not the BS megalomaniac/toxic leaders, but the camaraderie I had with my fellow Soldiers.

Response by PO3 Ariel Bermudez made Sep 29 at 2015 6:06 PM

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I would love to go back. I really miss it.

Response by CSM David Litteral made Sep 29 at 2015 6:56 PM

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Gen Pete Schoomaker returned to active duty after 3 years of retirement and served as the 35th Chief of Staff of the Army. There are precedents, but it would need to be on a case by case basis. On the other hand, how does the al Qaeda? Online. Do you have to be a physically fit, 300 PT stud to sit in front of a computer and drive a drone or interdict the recruitment of terrorists? Does the experience and judgment of a 55 year old retired CSM operator warrant bringing him (or her) back to go to Aghanistan where he may be better respected than his younger counterparts? Simple answer- case by case basis.

Response by SPC Phillip Hanson made Sep 29 at 2015 7:07 PM

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Of course, now if they got out on disability, i think they should be re-evaluated beforehand. I have heard they currently will make people pay back their disability and go in as "Needs of the Army" which is a waste of time and money in my opinion.

Response by CWO2 Ray Philyaw made Sep 29 at 2015 7:08 PM

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Man! I work very closely to active duty men and women and, I must say, it would be an adjustment to come back. As far as taking a pay grade cut, sure. As long as it wouldn't effect my current retirement. I also agree with, "if I only knew then what I know now".

Response by LTC Henry Kaylor made Sep 29 at 2015 7:11 PM

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Why not; if they fit a need.

Response by CMSgt John Momaney made Sep 29 at 2015 7:21 PM

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I have thought it would be nice to suit up again but then I had a intelligent thought that said I would be way behind the power curve. Time had past me by. I would also have to have at least two scheduled naps during the day and check in with my wife as needed. I am 68 and in great shape just passed a physical that was perfect. I golf several times a week and shoot in the mid 80's. Maybe my duty could be playing golf with General's. Hmm that is a good thought.

Response by SP6 Steven Cardoza made Sep 29 at 2015 7:38 PM

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I am not about giving up any rank myself, hell far as I am concerned they can give me the next one up' seeing how I got screwed out of my promotion before retiring,, Just because I could provide a DA photo in my dress greens while in Combat, give me a break, but they sure as hell loved my ass when I was the rear gunner for the C-6 in 2004 in Iraq.. as far a coming back in, well let' put it this way, maybe a advisor, and support, sure why not, but give up anything I already earned... Shit if your homosexual and admit to it, you get special quotos... give up whati already earned? hell NO

Response by CPO Stephen McGovern made Sep 29 at 2015 7:38 PM

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I would say yes as long as they can pass a physical and meet current service physical standards and as lond as they are not collecting disability compensation above 20% which would cease upon readmittance.

As to the rank reduction I have to adamently say no. Many of us went on to hold civilian positions much higher than our former military paygrade.

The real question would be "what benefit do returning retirees bring to the current military mission and how would their return effect advancement"? Do we make Senior NCO Warrant Officers and LDO's?

Response by SP6 Steven Cardoza made Sep 29 at 2015 7:41 PM

2015-09-29T19:41:23-04:00

Oh One more thing here I didn't join the military to view my sexual religious, or gender rights, I joined to back my brothers and sisters, my country, and those who deserve freedom, everyone else can go fuck themselves,,,SIR'

Response by CW5 Charles Barr made Sep 29 at 2015 8:25 PM

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They can under certain circumstances. A friend, who was/is currently a professor of law at UND and a retired RA CW5, requested a voluntary recall to active duty during Iraqi Freedom. It was granted, he was given a UH-60 transition and sent to the war. Upon termination of hostilities, he returned to being a tenured college professor.
Other retired RA Warrants received requests from DA to be TAC officers at the Warrant Officer School at Fort Rucker to free up Warfighters to go forward to the battlefield.

There certainly was no rank reduction and time served counted towards additional retirement time in service.

Response by SSG Jose Ortizburgos made Sep 29 at 2015 8:44 PM

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yes I would come back in if I get offered two ranks up not down.

Response by SSG John Laurin made Sep 29 at 2015 8:57 PM

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Yes they should even if it is to train the personnel. I loved teaching on the range

Response by SFC Mark Trees made Sep 29 at 2015 9:11 PM

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Many folks say they would prefer to re- enter the service with a two-rank jump. That would be nice, but is it really earned? If I was asked to re-enter, I would be happy to enter with the rank with which I retired and then earn anything else beyond that. Besides, some of us would have some serious catching up to do. My BFA needs some PT! And if this country needs me back in, then the S has really HTF and we need every swinging Richard we can get.

Response by PO1 Mac MacIntyre made Sep 29 at 2015 9:13 PM

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I could not do what the younger guys do now, and I sure as heck would not take a one rank reduction!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 9:20 PM

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I carried "hip pocket orders" for the first ten years after I retired. I think during those ten years, I could have came back and been productive. After that, too many changes made and health went down. During periods of war, I believe that retired personnel could really help out. There are a lot of administrative things on post that could be handled by retired personnel. A lot of retired soldiers do miss the service and the bond they had with other soldiers after they retire. The ten year plan they have now is good.

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Sep 29 at 2015 9:20 PM

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I would come back but only at a rank commensurate with my current civilian experience and education

Response by SFC Aliye Espinosa made Sep 29 at 2015 9:42 PM

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Never for a rank reduction

Response by Sgt Gabriel Rodriguez made Sep 29 at 2015 9:43 PM

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No, the Service member needs to move on and let the next crop of leaders take over.

Response by CSM Clifford Fargason made Sep 29 at 2015 9:57 PM

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I was voluntarily recalled for Iraq. You come back with your rank, and time in service (for pay purposes) also includes the time you have been retired. However, unless they have changed things, when you are released your retired pay doesn't start back up until they have manually recomputed your retirement pay. In my case it took 90 working days.

Response by 1SG Robert Branch made Sep 29 at 2015 10:11 PM

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I think a small advisory board of retired men and women on each major military base would be very beneficial to our military.

Response by SGT Greg Gold made Sep 29 at 2015 10:33 PM

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I was medically retired with more flags in my file than the united nations, so for me it ain't happening. If they call you back they need you. If you ask to come back and they take you, they need you. At any rate why would you take a reduction in rank? I wouldn't.

Response by CW4 Chad Balwanz made Sep 29 at 2015 10:47 PM

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Retirees receive retainer pay and are eligable to be recalled to active duty during crisis. I have been retired since 2000 and would not want to return to todays Army where senior general officers bow to political pressure and take a position based on politics in order to advance. Our brighest military officers have been forced out for not following the political line. Those officers made our military a better fighting force. Today's military is a social experimental force which has changed the structure and purpose of of the military, which is to fight and win on the battle field. Retirees should not re enter the military, most would not recognize what they left and would have a hard time adjusting to what has evolved due to political correctness.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 10:54 PM

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If I were called, I'd go, but I can't imagine the need for a 60-year old with severe arthritis. On the other hand, I'm probably as good an intel analyst as I ever was, and I'm better with computers. Anybody looking?

Response by LCDR Joshua Smith made Sep 29 at 2015 10:54 PM

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Hell no! Think about all the senior people who would come back in! Would they be eligible to promote back up?! If so how would that screw the junior guys that stayed and are trying to promote? How do you compete with a person who already made it once.... Experience, is second only to luck. Do they get extra money for retirement?! mYbe at the junior ranks.... But no thank you

Response by SPC Paul Hayward made Sep 29 at 2015 11:33 PM

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i think that as long as they are physically and mentally fit to serve, they should be allowed to serve, at the same rank as when they separated from service

Response by SSgt Claudia Marbury made Sep 30 at 2015 12:05 AM

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If retirees were to come back in, they should not have to take a reduction in rank, they earned it, they should keep it!!! But it would also complicate their pay status a bit, as they are retired and receiving retired pay, then come back in. That might be a nightmare for the DFAS pay folks!!

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Sep 30 at 2015 12:33 AM

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If after completing a basic training course and being approved as meeting the physical requirements I don't see why not. Many people retire and regret having done it because they're unhappy and feel unproductive. If you were a member of the Armed Forces I don't see where you'd be able to recover that feeling and usefulness but in the Armed Forces and I don't understand why you would be denied that after putting in all the years necessary to retire.

Response by TSgt Scott Baglia made Sep 30 at 2015 1:30 AM

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They need me more than I need them in fact they need good NCO's and seniors. If they asked me to come back I would at the same rank but not lower.

Response by PFC Marcos Sanchez made Sep 30 at 2015 2:26 AM

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yes I will ome back

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Sep 30 at 2015 3:32 AM

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YES BUT NOOOO RANK REDUCTION THE MILITARY NEED THE BEST OF THE BEST IN ALL MOS

Response by LTC Richard Cooper made Sep 30 at 2015 4:08 AM

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I don't know about the other services but the Army has a retiree recall program. I served at ARCENT HQ with a couple of retired officers who were recalled in the retired grade. One guy was a LTC in Military Intelligence and another was an Infantry Colonel. Of course this was due to the War on Terror but I recall that in the 1980s we had a retired colonel recalled to be chief of staff at Fort Benning and of course one of the Superintendents at West Point GEN Andrew Goodpaster was a retiree recall in 1977 and GEN Peter Schoomaker was called out of retirement in 2003 to serve as Chief of Staff. There is a phone number for those interested in retiree recall positions on the Army's Human Resources Command website. So in the Army at least retiree being recalled is not all the unusual as there is an Army Regulation governing recalls and most retirees (officers at least) remain eligible for recall until age 62 dependent on their grade.

Response by CW3 Richard Mann made Sep 30 at 2015 5:10 AM

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I tried to after 9/11 and found it impossible to speak with anyone who had a clue as to what I needed to do.

Response by CPL Edward King made Sep 30 at 2015 7:01 AM

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I think that retirees should be allowed to reenlist. Not at a pay rank lower than they had. Or go back 1 rank lower and within 60 days you have your old rank back. PT would be a issue. I'm retired for medical reasons and I know I can't pass a PT test or a tape and weigh. As for what they would do? Hell that's easy. Put them in office rolls and let the young bucks do the combat thing.

Response by MSgt Don Dyer made Sep 30 at 2015 7:29 AM

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Come back at a reduced rank--not on your life. I worked to long and to hard to the grade I retired at--NO I would not come back at a reduced rank. I've been retired for eleven years now and miss it every day. Not the BS megalomaniac/toxic leaders, but the camaraderie I had with my fellow Airmen.

Response by SSG Robert Spina made Sep 30 at 2015 7:29 AM

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THEY SHOULD BE EVALUATED AND IF THEY MEET THE STANDARDS WHY NOT

Response by 1SG Eric Navarro made Sep 30 at 2015 7:39 AM

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Once you make the decision to retire and you retire you should not look back. The things we could've, should've but didn't is in our past. I've been retired over 7yrs and I don't regret serving and now being retired. I still interact/mentor with Soldiers but I don't believe that retirees should come back in the military, it won't be the same and you will not be doing any justice to this new Army. Unless your skills are greatly needed then by all means I seen them do it with reservist and National Guardsman.

Response by CSM George Gattone made Sep 30 at 2015 8:10 AM

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Anyone who retires before age 60 goes into the Retired Reserve and is subject to recall if the need arises. Those in this category can volunteer to be returned to active status also. I served with a COL who volunteered in 2010 to join our IBCT on a combat tour to AFG, he served as the Bridage DCO and did an admirable job.

Response by LCpl Bruce Baker made Sep 30 at 2015 8:49 AM

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I would love the opportunity to come back period at any age . You must be able to meet all the requirements. How much could the Marines or any other branch of the military benefit from prior service members who have matured and reeducated themselves through out the years.I am 50 went back to college,own my own small business compete in cross fit workouts and races I am in better shape now than ever before, and there are many of us out there. . It would be so much easier to re train me then bring some kid in who is just looking for money.

Response by PVT William Bresch made Sep 30 at 2015 9:27 AM

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I would but, if I go any lower then I'm out again. lol besides, no one likes Ghost Operators, we make the rules, we tell others what to do and if the orders are going to get us killed foolishly, we don't do it. we are a Hated Species and we love being this way.

Response by Cpl Clinton Britt made Sep 30 at 2015 9:28 AM

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Hell most of the time you loose rank with switching sides. Lol

Response by CSM Peter Collins made Sep 30 at 2015 9:29 AM

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I did it in '04. Did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think the "New Army" could use a bit of the "Old Army" now.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2015 9:41 AM

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SSG Jerry Eidson, as a theoretical exercise, this question is fine. Retirees can come back to active Service.

As a matter of personal choice of the Retiree, however, the question is pointless. The Military has only limited authority to permit Retirees to return. If the primary Services had an Auxiliary Corps like the Coast Guard, then this would be a different issue. I doubt many Retirees would come back to work for free; in the Reserves we can't even get people to do things for points only.

Response by SPC Ron Milburn made Sep 30 at 2015 10:27 AM

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I think using retired individuals would be a great asset for training new personnel especially before being deployed to combat.

Response by CPL Nanette Carvalho made Sep 30 at 2015 10:27 AM

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You pose two questions. The first refers to retired military who have a wealth of knowledge, including first hand knowledge of combat. As they retire the military loses this valuable resource. It would be wise to find a way to utilize the knowledge and experience they have. Age and physical fitness can impact their ability to perform so perhaps they could be a classified differently and not be eligible for deployment. The retirement of Baby Boomers is creating a huge skills gap in organizations resulting in many companies offering employment opportunities on a consulting basis. It is something the military should also consider. Regarding your question about bringing back retirees at a reduced rank, what purpose would that serve? We all know when you have rank taken away it is a negative thing. It certainly would not be a benefit to those wanting to come back and continue to play an important role in the defense of our country.

Response by SPC Ron Milburn made Sep 30 at 2015 10:34 AM

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I wouldn't mind losing one rank to be able to come back in but would prefer not being held to the same PFT scores. Using us for our years of experience to teach and train young enlisted should be more important then how fast we can run or situps we can do.

Response by Sgt Ronnie Mack made Sep 30 at 2015 10:50 AM

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Yes, why not. We served our Ciunrty, so now they are done with us?! Allow whom ever to come back. Some may be in a administrative potion now due to there physical, but no matter. Here should always be a place for a vet in employment under the blanket of the federal govt!!!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2015 11:31 AM

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One word answer for this... Yes!

Response by SGT Roger Cleveland made Sep 30 at 2015 11:45 AM

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This would be a great resolution for. Many veterans and give them a purpose in life. As a former Tank Commander and working with testing military equipment. I know a program like this would be benificial.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2015 11:45 AM

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If so I think that they should only be in training and administrative roles for a limited period of 2-3 years in cases where they have skills that are in critical shortages. Also I don't think they should have a rank reduction, but they should be put in billets where they won't effect promotion for or be eligible to promote.

Response by SP5 Joel McDargh made Sep 30 at 2015 12:55 PM

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I see no problem with that as long as those men and women can meet physical and mental requirements. We must remember these individuals have already got the training and experience to further develop our troops.

Response by SSG Walter Corretjer made Sep 30 at 2015 2:16 PM

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Please see my important respond, that I by mistake wrote under a specialist, that also commented,and that I can't find who he was.
My idea is a novel one,to established a new an distinct command or force, under federal Chapter 10, for volunteer retired personnel. Also, as well,selected veterans could joined,if they have a minimal or acceptable incapacity, in their level of work and operation.
Please look and find more ahead on this dicussions,for a complete explanation of my whole idea, and details of my novel project.

Response by SSG Walter Corretjer made Sep 30 at 2015 2:38 PM

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In the program that I am proposing, as long you maintain your appropiate weight,regular PT's will not be required. They can be very light, and specially approved PT's on your own.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2015 2:49 PM

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I don’t know about retirees in general. I would say yes… within 1 year of ETS or retiring. I served as a Drill during Desert Shield where we put recently trained soldiers (the ones who just got out and were called up) through refresher qualifications, and then they received their orders for just about anywhere you could think of.

They performed well and trained up easily. Most wanted to go back home, but we had some soldiers glad for a second chance to come back in, and wanted to stay active. I hope it worked for them, they were good soldiers.

Response by SSG Walter Corretjer made Sep 30 at 2015 3:16 PM

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Three more things.
1) In a the project I am proposing,all branches of the Armed Forces under the Department of Defense will join.The different branches will have their own units of the appropiate branch.
2) The APFT's will be eliminated.
3) No previous rank reduction for anybody,regarless of rank.

Response by CWO4 Carter Owens made Sep 30 at 2015 5:08 PM

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I don't have an opinion about the question but I served for 30 years and retired a CWO4. If I was ordered to return to AD, fine. But otherwise, no.

Response by SFC Robert Salmon made Sep 30 at 2015 6:31 PM

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I didn't retire, so I should probably just shut my pie-hole, but I'm not. I did put in 15 years though, and if I had the opportunity, I would come back in, if I could come back at the same level I was at when I ETS'd. I'm not talking about a paygrade, I'm talking about my operating level. If I couldn't then I'd just as soon stay a civilian. I miss the brotherhood too. Don't really miss the morons, but yeah, there are parts I still miss. For sure if they needed me, I'd have to say you should all find Jesus because things have really just gone south!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2015 7:03 PM

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Instead of going back to active duty at reduced rank, you make me a GS 11 doing intelligence and I'll even sign paper work to deploy. I'll even be willing to be a supervisor. But it has to be at Barksdale AFB, LA. With me being a civilian, we don't have to worry about PT exemptions, etc. :)

Response by COL Robert Davies made Sep 30 at 2015 7:05 PM

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I would love to come back. I don't know about taking a 1 step rank cut, it took me too long to make O-6. Hidden away in the manual or the Personnel Policy Guidance, at least it was, I would also come back on a three year contract. That said, no OER, no APFT, no promotions. Where do I sign up???

Response by MGySgt George W Iliffe Jr made Sep 30 at 2015 8:10 PM

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In 1971 with Vietnam still going on a Marine who got out as a SSGT came back in as a PFC (E-2) or LCPL (E3). I heard other Marines complaining about this kick ass PFC in the barracks. WE had a policy for retreads to be watched for excellerated promotions. When they brought back battleships the lack gunner mates retired as E-7 those who came back made E-8 and E-9 in just a couple of years

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2015 8:42 PM

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Retirees can and do return to active duty. I retired in 2007 and was recalled in 2010. There were about 40 retirees in my group at Ft Jackson. What I found most Interesting was that most were going to branch immaterial slots, the only common denominator was that we all had maintained our security clearance.

I would do it again if called.

Response by PFC Greg Mason made Sep 30 at 2015 9:40 PM

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I believe any one should be free to return as long as they are not dishonorably discharged...they would need to go through a refresher course to bring them up to speed with new tech. or training. They could also go through a re-class course for a different MOS. I would go back in at a different MOS in a heartbeat

Response by Cpl Clinton Britt made Sep 30 at 2015 10:19 PM

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Honestly, I think that if push come to shove, all honorably discharged Veterans should be allowed to come back if there were a need instead of utilizing the Draft. Most of us would.. from a Marine Standpoint

Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Oct 1 at 2015 4:20 AM

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I'm retired and still serve the Navy, but in a different capacity.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 7:21 AM

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I remember someone stated ... during a discussion somewhere else ... we should take every able man or woman willing to service ... or something like that.

Response by LTC Michael Murphy made Oct 1 at 2015 8:34 AM

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Something does not add up here. The military is DECREASING in size, but they are allowing retirees to return to duty?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 8:35 AM

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Hmmm I remember a General being recalled into service to take over...

Response by SGT Sharon Olden made Oct 1 at 2015 5:37 PM

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Oh yes, we should be allowed to come back.

Response by Capt Terry Fillmore made Oct 1 at 2015 6:35 PM

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It's not going to happen. I tried hard to get back in the Marine Corps when I was 35 years old during Desert Storm, and I was told that I was too old then. I even tried to get into a Marine Reserve Unit and was turned down due to age, and I was still a youngster - did 20 pull-ups, over 80 sit-ups in 2 minutes and ran the 3 miles in 19 minutes and some change at age 39. The Army or Army Guard might be willing to call a retiree back in, but I don't believe the Marines would do it.

Response by MSG Pat Colby made Oct 1 at 2015 11:13 PM

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Retirees are provided a Pension. This Pension is NOT a "payoff for services rendered". It's more like a retainer. We are a vital part of the FORMDEPS War Plans. Sure we probably can't hump a ruck like we used to do. But I can DAMN sure process SF86's, I can work ATRRS, I can conduct Range duties including marksmanship tutoring. I can do a variety of S-2/3 tasks that would free up a young stud to go forth.

I can only assume that your question is phrased incorrectly.
Can a retiree rejoin the Active rolls? The answer is YES! I was called by PERSCOM back in 2004 (after being retired for a year) to volunteer for a deployment. I have a Cousin that retired and his health was better than mine and he did deploy after being retired for 2 years.

NO Rank reduction is involved. It just takes a recalculation of retirement points when the Soldier returns to Retired status.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 3:54 AM

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If the military has the job opening, and the person is qualified, I don't see why you wouldn't allow them to come back.

Response by SMSgt Cary Baker made Oct 2 at 2015 5:19 AM

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No rank reduction, and it would cost the AF much more to have me back. After retirement, the grass is greener on the other side. With my retirement pay, and my civilian job - I'm sitting very well now as a civilian and I don't have to deal with the politics and bureaucracy of the AF anymore. I'm 50 now, and have been retired just over 2 years. The Commanders wouldn't be able to handle me today - I was always able to speak my mind as a SMSgt - politely and professionally - and most of the time, leadership was very receptive - occasionally someone wasn't. And in this case of an officer or commander not be receptive, I would lose my mind today and inform them how stupid we are being. Nope, even If I could, I would never come back. :)

Response by CPT Theodore DiVito made Oct 2 at 2015 5:59 AM

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As a retiree I've been on the fence on this one. I never got the opportunities I really wanted towards the end of my career and now looking back my career really let me down. With the current political situation, I could never go back as there are some policies which I find fundamentally immoral and damaging to military. In the end, I am happier in some ways as a civilian, but sad because I miss the camaraderie.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Oct 2 at 2015 9:22 AM

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No! And most retirees would never want to! When I got out after 22 years I was DONE! At minimum, you are in your upper thirties when you retire. Let me tell you, all that physical stuff starts to wear on you, and you just can't keep up with the younger troops anymore. Get out of there and enjoy your retirement! If you really can't get enough, get a job as a military contractor or civilian working with the DoD!

Response by SSG Charles Bunyard made Oct 2 at 2015 10:53 AM

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I believe Retiree's should be able to come back at the same rank as they left. These retiree's would fill slots as instructors, releasing troops to go back to their MOS, we could also save the Military millions of dollars taking over the gate duties instead of paying contractors to guard our Posts/ Bases

Response by Sgt George Guthrie made Oct 2 at 2015 11:34 AM

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I did my job and got broken (pins in both legs and lost eyesight in one eye)... They didn't have Wounded Warrior Programs, etc. back then, so you were then considered unable to do your job AND PUT OUT and basically just discarded. What's worse is that the records had been doctored and no benefits. I only had a few years left to retire. I've been an active worker in the real world since with NO issue. I have worked side by side with Post Generals and many other ranks in the work that I do. I've had them say, " the Military needs more personal like you". All I can do is say, "They had us..." At 54, I'd go back if I could and I could show these young ones a few things, but that will never happen thanks to the way we (Veterans in general) are perceived. (grumpy old farts, etc.)

Response by TSgt Ivory Hutt made Oct 2 at 2015 12:46 PM

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If the retirees desire to come back on their own and they are physically fit and can meet the requirements, why not?!

Response by Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin made Oct 2 at 2015 3:19 PM

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They already can, but I wish they would reduce the criteria to allow a retiree to return to duty. If there is a need to fill a specific skill at a specific rank which is not available through the active force, by all means (as long as they meet the requirements). There should not be a reduction in rank and the individual should be eligible for promotion and/or continued service if they perform well. Instead, their retirement pay should be put on hold until the individual returns to retired status.

Response by PFC Steven Joiner made Oct 2 at 2015 3:59 PM

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I feel that if you are healthy and want to serve you should be allowed to serve. There are many of us who would not give it a second thought if given the chance but the military would rather pussify its self with queers and transgender and losers who only joined for college money. They over look the rest in the interest of being PC. What a load of bs. Thanks for the opportunity to state my piece

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 4:15 PM

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If there are willing to come back. In addition to that they have to go thru basic training again :) Seriously, yes if they fulfill all the requirements.

Response by SMSgt Bryan Raines made Oct 5 at 2015 4:19 PM

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I would not come back voluntarily. Too old and decrepit lol. However, unless the regs changed any retiree, unless medically unable, can be called back up until age 62. Retirement pay, as was explained to me during retirement briefs, is really a retainer fee until age 62.

Response by GySgt Jon White made Oct 6 at 2015 9:13 AM

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Sure I think they should be allowed to come back, if they want to and there's a billet they can be used in. The question is, who WANTS to come back, who wants to be a part of Mr. Obama's new gayified, feminized US Military? I certainly don't.

Response by LTC Dan McDonald made Oct 8 at 2015 8:37 PM

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I don't know about the military in general but the US Army has a regulation the outlines the procedures for recall of retired Army personnel, both NCO and officer. AR 601-10 is dedicated to the recall system. Retirees may also volunteer for reinstatement based on the needs of the service. The process is pretty involved so you may want to check out the AR. Pops up on google and opens on your browser.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 16 at 2015 2:21 PM

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No if there are early outs.

Response by CPL Howard Conover made Oct 22 at 2015 12:43 PM

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An astounding, ARMY, YES!!!!! I recently viewed another countries requirements pertaining to age. their age bracket is 17-59. I am of the opinion that retirees and prior service should be able to come back.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 22 at 2015 3:04 PM

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Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Oct 22 at 2015 8:28 PM

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YES FOR THERE QUALAFICATION OF ARE MOS OR MORE IF WITH OTHER MOS

Response by SFC James Pritchert made Oct 22 at 2015 9:58 PM

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Why would anyone want to return in the first place?

Response by PO1 Brian Carlson made Nov 12 at 2015 3:14 PM

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I do not think that retired veterans should be allowed to come back except under special circumstances. One example of a person that should have come back is Admiral Grace Hopper ("The Mother Of COBOL") who came back to the Navy to work with computers.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Nov 12 at 2015 3:23 PM

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A ONE RANK REDUCTION? Why should there be a punishment for coming back?

If there is need for a retiree to come back, why not...but not when we are already drawing down the force.

Response by CPL Howard Conover made Nov 19 at 2015 12:08 PM

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Retirees and Prior service should be allowed to come back. More mature and dedicated is the upside.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Mar 20 at 2016 2:35 AM

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With all the cut backs and force reductions - they don't need old farts in a young service member's game. We can do our part after retired - Rally Point is a good place. Your VFW, American Legion and such. You retire, it's time to turn the page and move on.

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Mar 20 at 2016 11:53 AM

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Come back after retirement? You bet!! Come back at a reduced rank? Aww HELL no!

I can't run or do pushups like I could a few years ago but I can surely still lead an Intel team. Or with my new skills, they could put me on a medic team. That might even work better since they wouldn't have to process all the paperwork to reactivate my security clearance.

Response by SFC Richard Dougherty made Mar 22 at 2016 9:56 PM

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Why would anyone want that? I served my country and gave 20+ years of service. I think I've done my share. And at a one rank reduction? No Way!!

Response by SFC Robert Salmon made Mar 24 at 2016 3:32 PM

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I'd say to open it up to more than just retiree's. I spent 15 yrs in when I ETS'd and I think I could come back in and still rock it. In fact, I think I'd be an even better leader just because I've learned some things working in the civilian world. Now my mind is willing, but not sure if my knees are. LOL
But seriously, if I had the opportunity to serve again, I would in a NY second.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Mar 24 at 2016 3:39 PM

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No.

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Mar 24 at 2016 6:03 PM

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OH HELL BIG YES WITH THERE MOS OR ANTHER MOS;you get out most WONER or MANGA. DON'T WANT you are THEY TELL you buy your won TOOLs or I HAVE too LAY you off.or SORRY I DON'T TAKE NATION GUORD OR RESERVES or B.S. PAY IF THE RETIRED is LOCKLY to get a GOV. JOB THIS IS BEST WAY for VAT and RET a CITY .COUNTRY.STATE GOV.or a JOB with the U.S.POST OFFICE JOE and also BEOING.or have there won BUSINESS>

Response by SFC Charles E Hightower made Mar 24 at 2016 6:30 PM

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No!!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2016 6:25 PM

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I think they should be allowed if they meet the requirements for the age bracket one under their current age.

Response by SFC James Pritchert made Apr 7 at 2016 9:26 PM

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I am too old now but I just don't think that retired solders need to return. Heck, I don't even recognize the uniforms now.

Response by MGySgt George W Iliffe Jr made Apr 16 at 2016 1:35 PM

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In the 1960's I heard that the USN brought back former Navy Chief's who had retired as E-7's the highest enlisted pay grade in the late 1950's. They were all gunners mates and the Navy was bringing back the battleship for service in Vietnam. They were all promoted under the expanded rank structure to E-8 and some even to E-9 . The story sounded logical to me at the time but I can't verify it's factualness.

Response by SFC Charles E Hightower made Apr 21 at 2016 11:01 PM

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No!!!

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Apr 28 at 2016 5:21 PM

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WHY NOT LET the Retirees make a come back we are the best for our MOS'S;I SAY YES for the TIME of A BIG NUMBER ONE NEED'S and or anytime

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made May 6 at 2016 2:26 AM

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I'm pretty sure that I've answered this before but if I haven't I don't see why not. Retirees would bring back their experience and proficiency in their MOS that at the most would have to be brought up to date. My only concern would be for them once they permanently retired. From everything I've heard the retirement package isn't what it used to be and I wouldn't want to see them come out to fewer benefits than they may have gotten when they initially retired.

Response by PVT William Bresch made May 19 at 2016 8:34 PM

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I tried, they said "OH HELL NO" but then they said, Hey want to go to school. I said sure. Don't ask, it doesn't make any sense to me either...

Response by SCPO Eric Thompson made Sep 6 at 2018 6:59 PM

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That would depend on skill, past performance, any need for that skill and Age.