Posted on Feb 9, 2021
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The tradition of requiring a 4-year degree started in a time when a college education meant a lot more than it does now.

Do you think it would help change the divide between Enlisted and Officers if the requirement we're changed to a 6 or 8-year degree? This would also achieve a higher average age for 2LT's which may earn more respect in its own right.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
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No. I don't need to be chasing down LTs with Masters degrees when they get lost in the woods so they can make a plausible and well informed argument about how they are not lost.
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SGT Mark Halmrast
SGT Mark Halmrast
2 mo
MSgt Steve Sweeney Yes, Jumpmaster. They must have had a bearing because the NCOs in the Jeep were bushwhacking through the nether regions of Bragg. We were so far out at Bragg we were more surprised there was a vehicle in the area than we were an LT had fallen from a plane.
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SP5 Michael Barczykowski
SP5 Michael Barczykowski
2 mo
When I was in Nam we received a new shave tail 2nd Lt. that didn't know what a ruck sack was. The whole squad refused to go out with him. He was gone the next day.
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CPT Larry Hudson
CPT Larry Hudson
1 mo
SP5 Michael Barczykowski - Glad to see, life matters over ride rank. Had a 2nd lieutenant who blew a hole through my mess hall wall during a break from being a pay officer. Later at another duty station, while acting as regimental duty officer, had a 1st lieutenant, Officer of the Guard, discharge his weapon and he agreed he was playing John Wayne, but the results was my arresting him and having him taken to the Brigg. As a hardened combat officer, I did not and would not forgive such acts of carelessness that endangered lives. Don't know whether he was ROTC or not but didn't matter.
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Pvt SanJuana Méndez
Pvt SanJuana Méndez
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My late husband told me about times his field CO defended him whenever he "ruffled" officers' "feathers" with his lack of respect.
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MAJ Lno Interagency
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The military is a war fighting profession faught primarily by young men and women I don’t believe that having a bunch of old 30 year old LTs leading formations does anything positive for the force. We don’t want/need a generation gap between front line leaders like that. In my opinion you can give anyone the opportunity to earn “Prestigious” degrees and spend a ton of years in school but at the end of the day the NCOs run the Military. Every officer no matter how old he is or level of education or level of experience (mustangs) will have a seasoned NCO mentoring him/her. Why? Because serving men and woman and the United States of America requires leaders not Scholars. Leaders who inspire followship, leaders willing to take the back seat and follow the seasoned NCO when the situation permits. Leaders to be physically fit and lead by example. Officers get all of the continued education that they need post company command to lead at the organizational level, where officer spend most of their careers.
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SPC Kenneth Koerperich
SPC Kenneth Koerperich
2 mo
Well said, but it will never happen. Seen waaayyyy to many Occifer's who came in with that "holier than thou, smarter than thou" because I've been to College, got a degree, daddy was prior service and I'm entitled this position, and last but not least, those ahole ring knockers....In my 6 years in, out of all the Occifers I met, only 2, YES, 2 were worth the salt the sold, and "pretty" much discarded them bars, got in the dirt with us, and toughed it out, learning just as we did from the Vietnam Vets, and Rangers who'd been to Grenada, Honduras, and Nicaragua for "missions"....
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That suck because I ah e had the opposite experience. Most of the leaders that I have served with in 21 years have been phenomenal. There have been some bad ones but those are weeded out at the 0-3 level. That of course is probably because I have been an officer for 17 years and I take what I do very seriously and strive to be the best “person” by treating every soldier regardless of their rank with dignity and respect. Brother we have been at continuous war as an Army since, honestly, 1991. Those how stay are quality people. If we are talking about LTs,I’m here to tell you that if you don’t like what you are getting from the schoolhouse, TRAIN THEM! LTs are PVTs with an education and a solid foundation of training in leadership and tactics. You can’t expect a LT to be General Patton or General Eisenhower right out of the gate. 6 years in you probably didn’t stay in long enough to really get your feet wet. SPC Kenneth Koerperich
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CPT Larry Hudson
CPT Larry Hudson
1 mo
Right on. Totally agree.
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MSG William Hesser
MSG William Hesser
1 mo
We always told the 2Lt's that they would only become as good an officer at the senior NCO that groomed them.
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MAJ(P) Eugene Chu
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In personal opinion, four year degree should remain the standard, but with more consideration of which college/university it comes from. For OCS board or direct commission, there should be a way to screen out applicants who have degree from for-profit school or diploma mill.
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MAJ Ron Peery
MAJ Ron Peery
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MAJ(P) Eugene Chu - Let's consider the case of MAJ Nidal Hasan, psychiatrist, LOTS of college time. And he murdered 13 people. There's not much of a difference between him and Calley, except their ages at the time they committed their crimes. More time in college doesn't equal better performance in the military. All it does is prove that you are capable of learning.
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COL Roxanne Arndt
COL Roxanne Arndt
1 mo
If they have a diploma then it is not a degree. Why should those be excluded if they obtained their degree from a for profit school?
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SP5 Bob Gilbert
SP5 Bob Gilbert
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MAJ Karl Swenson I saw a very good Captain forced out during a reduction in force because he did not have a degree. He had spent 6 years as an enlisted combat Marine. He left the Corps for the Army and was commissioned through OCS. His replacement was a Captain with a degree from a major college, but had zero leadership ability.
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Sgt Jude Eschete
Sgt Jude Eschete
1 mo
MAJ Karl Swenson this already done for other "industries" my Electrical Engineering program is accredited by ABET and I cannot even take the Fundamentals of Engineering exam without a degree from an accredited university.

So a military officer program accreditation board could ensure that schools would meet a set of standards by the board with evaluations every so many years.
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