Should the Obama Administration extradite Gulen back to Turkey?

SPC Kirk Gilles — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:14:45 -0400

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jul 16 at 2016 9:16 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:16:09 -0400

No way SPC Kirk Gilles
Extraditing somebody who escaped from a radical Islamic government in 1999 who has lived peacefully here since should never be extradited back to Turkey.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2016 9:19 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:19:01 -0400

Hell no. If anything, we should be breaking out the texts books and showing Erdogan what happens to totalitarian pieces of trash that try to push their personal agendas on the United States legal system. In fact, I could think of a few other people in need of this kind of lesson...

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Jul 16 at 2016 9:24 PM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:24:20 -0400

No.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2016 9:30 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:30:44 -0400

No... If they send him back, it'll be a matter of hours (if he's lucky) until his execution.

Response by Sgt Nick Marshall made Jul 16 at 2016 9:32 PM

Sgt Nick Marshall — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:32:47 -0400

Very difficult question, Erdogan has been recognized as democratically elected though he is pushing Turkey towards Islam and away from secularism. Blackmailing the EU...these questions are very complex and multi-faceted and we need simple answers. IMHO I'd say no, he represents Western ideologies.

Response by PO1 Brian Austin made Jul 16 at 2016 9:35 PM

PO1 Brian Austin — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:35:03 -0400

No. Erdogan just wants Gulen's head on stick.

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Jul 16 at 2016 9:54 PM

Sgt Kelli Mays — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:54:22 -0400

Why exactly would Obama or any other President sent him back? Other than escaping a certain death, what has he done wrong?

Response by Capt Chris McVeigh made Jul 16 at 2016 10:27 PM

Capt Chris McVeigh — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:27:04 -0400

For what? Because an individual with dictatorial ambitions claims Gulen spoke out against him?

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Jul 16 at 2016 11:00 PM

Sgt Tom Cunnally — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:00:37 -0400

Not going to happen. It would like sending him to a Firing Squad.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jul 16 at 2016 11:57 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:57:40 -0400

No! Erdogan wants a Sacrificial Lamb and if he got that one we would really have a problem on our hands. Gulen is Pretty Much the leading Philosopher for that Community. He would be the Obi One Kanobi "Strike me Down and I will rise up even more Powerful". That is the Kind of Martyr you don't want. I've read quite a bit of Gulen's work and some really amazing things he has written.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jul 17 at 2016 12:04 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:04:25 -0400

HELL YES! We did not send the Shah of Iran back to answer for his crimes and look at the mess that caused. Send this "cleric" back to face the music. What? He is still here? That is how fast I would put that guy in an SR71 and break the world airspeed record getting him back there.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jul 17 at 2016 12:22 AM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:22:15 -0400

http://rumiforum.blogspot.com/p/quotes-by-fethullah-gulen.html#axzz4EdWcCJNW

Fethullah Gulen inspired dialogue: Quotes by Fethullah Gulen

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2016 12:32 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:32:51 -0400

Hell no. Unless they have tangible proof that he did something he should stay in the United States. I hope the president show some cojones in this matter. The United States should not be bullied, especially by the likes of Turkey.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2016 1:33 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 01:33:06 -0400

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Jul 17 at 2016 2:00 AM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 02:00:42 -0400

Like when Jimmey Carter refused asylum for our ally. The Shaw of Iran.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2016 3:11 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 03:11:04 -0400

Short answer is "No."

The reason is he has been granted asylum in the U.S. Under this protection his status is defined as "any person who is outside his or her country of residence or nationality, or without nationality, and is unable or unwilling to return to, and is unable or unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of, that country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion." If the U.S. were to return him to Turkey we would be going against our own laws (Public Law 96-212) in returning this man to face certain death when he has already proved to the U.S. that he genuinely fears for his life. Additionally, what message would this send to other asylum seekers already involved in the lengthy asylum process or to those who have already been granted asylum.

Lastly, U.S. extradition law provides a means to send a fugitive found in the United States to another country for trial or punishment. per the letter of the law in "The Extradition of Fugitives Clause" in the Constitution requires the U.S., upon demand of another country, to deliver a fugitive from justice who has committed a "treason, felony or other crime" to the State from which the fugitive has fled. In reality he never fled Turkey for committing this "treason." He allegedly committed a crime from another country.

Response by PO1 Brian Austin made Jul 17 at 2016 3:23 AM

PO1 Brian Austin — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 03:23:26 -0400

Turkey has cut commercial power to Incirilk AB (still has own internal power) and closed the air space, grounding all flights.
Coincidence? I would guess not.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/07/16/turkey-cuts-power-to-incirlik-air-base-suspends-military-flights.html

Turkey Cuts Power to Incirlik Air Base, Suspends Military Flights

The huge airbase use for US airstrikes against ISIS was effectively closed Saturday.

Response by Capt Michael Greene made Jul 17 at 2016 4:12 AM

Capt Michael Greene — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 04:12:24 -0400

All my reading says Gullen is a good guy striving peacefully to join world religious leaders together and bring Islam into the 21st century. Erdogan looks more like a bad guy, but he controls the center court of the region, including the back door to Russia.

We can't in good conscience extradite Gullen but we really need Erdogan's good will. Time to play carrot and stick.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2016 8:11 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:11:29 -0400

No, you'll open up a can of worms you don't need. Erdogan is now looking over his shoulder now because he knows people want him out. So he had better get his house in order

Response by SFC Everett Oliver made Jul 17 at 2016 8:14 PM

SFC Everett Oliver — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:14:18 -0400

Turkey has always been an Allie of the USA, but Turkey's Military has stepped in and corrected their democratic Government several times. This time the correction seems to have failed. As long as it can be shown that Gulen has broken no US laws then no we should not extradite him. Besides that Turkey is now headed towards Radical Islam....