Should the US Navy allow all berthing areas on Ship to be open to both genders?
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In the US Navy we have Traditionally Berthed enlisted personnel by Department and Division on Ships. With the introduction of Women on ships the Enlisted Berthing Areas have now been segregated into males being berthed by Department and Division and females into their separate areas. Officers live in Staterooms of 1, 2, or more officers and so the problem is much easier to handle.<br /><br />To me this has always been strange because it breaks up work groups and separates people artificially. Sex between Sailors on the same ship has never been allowed, so that should not be a problem (right!) Now we have the added mixture of people being openly gay yet still assigned to the same berthing considerations.<br /><br />BEQs at Shore Establishments have different rules based on availability of housing more than on gender. Is it time for a change or not?Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:32:40 -0400Should the US Navy allow all berthing areas on Ship to be open to both genders?
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In the US Navy we have Traditionally Berthed enlisted personnel by Department and Division on Ships. With the introduction of Women on ships the Enlisted Berthing Areas have now been segregated into males being berthed by Department and Division and females into their separate areas. Officers live in Staterooms of 1, 2, or more officers and so the problem is much easier to handle.<br /><br />To me this has always been strange because it breaks up work groups and separates people artificially. Sex between Sailors on the same ship has never been allowed, so that should not be a problem (right!) Now we have the added mixture of people being openly gay yet still assigned to the same berthing considerations.<br /><br />BEQs at Shore Establishments have different rules based on availability of housing more than on gender. Is it time for a change or not?CMDCM Gene TreantsMon, 30 Jun 2014 14:32:40 -04002014-06-30T14:32:40-04:00Response by TSgt Scott Hurley made Jun 30 at 2014 2:47 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That's a good question Master Chief. Since women have been recently assigned to Subs, they would be the perfect example for non-segregated berthing. Of course the first women are officers. But, still same situation. Now not being a swab myself, I have slept on board a navy vessel, BB-59 USS Massachusetts, I can only imagine the berths on today's navy ships. How to do it without causing problems and getting the crew accommodations correct is a challenge. But I think the Navy can do it. Just think, Star Trek did it. In the Star Trek 6 the undiscovered Country, we see a crew berth where there are both men and women, and aliens, sleeping in the same area. So If the Navy can come up with a simple solution it can be done properly.TSgt Scott HurleyMon, 30 Jun 2014 14:47:19 -04002014-06-30T14:47:19-04:00Response by CPO B. Austin S. made Jun 30 at 2014 4:58 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I agree that accommodation protocols for ships and bases should be more consistent, where possible. I disagree [quite PURITANICALLY] that we should just throw the barn door open and tell everyone to sleep where they want...I know that's hyperbolic, and not quite the argument being made, but it's a slippery slope that we're already on. IMHO, this is the way we should pursue integration based on demographic factors: 1) Race was a no-brainer, although it could've been done more smoothly; 2) Genders should remain respectfully separate, unless no other solution is available; and 3) Sexual orientation shouldn't be an issue...I served with gay personnel "way back in the '80's," and we agreed to disagree. [For #3, "unit cohesion" may be argued as a reason to practice "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," but I have never observed harassment based on this factor (straight-on-gay or gay-on-straight); unfortunately, I'm sure it happens.] If Israeli forces preclude full gender integration, we should take note. As for the Star Trek allusion...Roddenbury was a secular humanist bonehead, and his work bears no credence, other than for entertainment.CPO B. Austin S.Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:58:30 -04002014-06-30T16:58:30-04:00Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2014 6:00 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I was stationed on the USS Carl Vinson, females within the Air Department had their own berthing area. I worked in the V-2 Launch and Recovery Division and the majority of the males were located at the forward part of the ship. I think it's fine the way it was set up. You're asking for trouble if all berthing areas are to open to both genders.SrA Private RallyPoint MemberMon, 30 Jun 2014 18:00:45 -04002014-06-30T18:00:45-04:00Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Jun 30 at 2014 8:28 PM
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MAJ Robert (Bob) PetrarcaMon, 30 Jun 2014 20:28:44 -04002014-06-30T20:28:44-04:00Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2014 9:07 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This a discussion that me and other leaders I work with are having more often since the repeal of "Don't as Don't Tell" in regards to equality when it comes to the sharing of spaces normally separated by gender. As stated earlier society is not ready to handle the complexity of the coded environment in which males and females share showers. A current movement to keep an eye on is the push to allow women to show their chest in public just like me can. If this ever becomes a norm then the other stuff will start to aligned. However, for coed showers or living it is going to require a lot of leader involvement for it to work. Hate to say it, but I don't think there are enough dynamic leaders in our ranks these days.1SG Private RallyPoint MemberMon, 30 Jun 2014 21:07:40 -04002014-06-30T21:07:40-04:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2015 5:43 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Absolutely not, Master Chief! Watch how fast allegations of sexual harassment and assault will skyrocket!! Definitely a recipe for disasterPO1 Private RallyPoint MemberFri, 16 Jan 2015 17:43:37 -05002015-01-16T17:43:37-05:00Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 2:21 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If sexual assault an harassment are huge issues why would you make it easier for these crimes to occur? We should be able to trust that service members won't do things that are so horrendous, but history, especially recent history, has proven that we can't.<br /><br />Separation can be a horrible thing (see the Jim Crow laws for a good example) but sometimes separation is necessary.SFC Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 17 Jan 2015 02:21:02 -05002015-01-17T02:21:02-05:00Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 12:15 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What are they pushing for, co-ed dorm rooms? Sure, let's allow sex-deprived sailors to sleep all in the same room.<br />How it does it separate people? If we're roommates, and we're out hanging out or working out or whatever, do we have to share rooms when we get back to the house? That's how your argument sits with me right now.<br />I was in, people still screwed each other's brains out, but most of them were caught either in the act or through small investigations. I knew a female sailor who was caught red-handed with the same guy TWICE! You'd figure the lesson would've been learned the first time, but nope. So, if people are gonna screw each other, they're gonna do it.<br /><br />BUT LET'S NOT MAKE IT ANY EASIER FOR THEM TO GET AWAY WITH IT!!<br /><br />No, it's not time for change, and no Shore Duty Stations don't really have much of a different scenario; roommates who share a kitchen or common living area are not different genders. And that's just the way it is.PO3 Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 17 Jan 2015 12:15:00 -05002015-01-17T12:15:00-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 3:14 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Master Chief,<br /><br />With the Sexual Harassment, SAPR and EO Policy beaten into our heads through training, Saftey Stand Downs, CPO365 and Death by PowerPoint. Allowing this would just be a nightmare waiting to happen and of course a significant increase of allegations, investigations and NJP's would occur. In result of wasted man-hours and money spent. I don't think it would be a good idea.PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 17 Jan 2015 15:14:13 -05002015-01-17T15:14:13-05:00Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 3:59 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The genders should remain separate. Who comes up with these ideas? I am very grateful for the important differences between men and women.LCDR Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 17 Jan 2015 15:59:28 -05002015-01-17T15:59:28-05:00Response by PO2 Andrew Rhoades made Jan 17 at 2015 4:51 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Hell No!!!PO2 Andrew RhoadesSat, 17 Jan 2015 16:51:05 -05002015-01-17T16:51:05-05:00Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 5:14 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I was in Afghanistan my team all slept together. It was me and only one other female on the base at the time and we just dropped a blanket between their side and ours at night. We set clear rules and everything was gravy. We set me and the other girl on the side of the tent they faced the Hesco. The SgtMaj from the unit we were supporting got wind of it and made our unit bring out a two man tent just for us. We were made to set up away from our males and it was next to our tool tent. We even had to put a sign up. As soon as this happened we had at least one incident a night where dudes from the other unit came into our tent after nightfall. Do....not...seperate...teams. Ever. That is where the problems come from. Creating divides and not fostering true esprit de corps. We always slept in the same tent (or area under he stars) as our guys. The only time there were problems was when someone made us seperate. This is experience, not theory.Sgt Jennifer MohlerSat, 17 Jan 2015 17:21:49 -05002015-01-17T17:21:49-05:00Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 5:28 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The Australians have been doing this for awhile onboard their submarines. I have discussed this with their enlisted personnel and officers and it didn't seem to be a problem. Others have raised concerns about spouses and the "problems" that could arise. If the Navy wants to fully integrate, it is time to rip the bandaid off in one clean jerk and get it over with. Many logistics issues could be solved if we got over our cultural bias in regards to berthing. Especially now that the Navy openly allows people of any sexual preference to serve, and rightfully so, the reasons for maintaining separate berthing are moot.<br /><br />Also, for all of you that seem to be concerned about "the inevitable" occurring, it sounds to me that you think we can trust our sailors, soldiers, and marines to make life and death decisions on a daily basis but God forbid we allow them to make decisions about sex.LT Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 17 Jan 2015 17:28:04 -05002015-01-17T17:28:04-05:00Response by PO2 Stephen Brinkley (Scott) made Jan 17 at 2015 6:20 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was on both a Nimitz class carrier and an LSD. Both of those ships kept Departments and Divisions together to the best of their ability. If someone showed up during deployment they may end up in another area in the Department berthing but never outside of it. As for the females, they were thrown together by department.PO2 Stephen Brinkley (Scott)Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:20:57 -05002015-01-17T18:20:57-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 7:53 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes.<br />Without mixed gender berthing on submarines, one female sailor can displace up to 8 sailors. That's 8 less watch-standers.PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 17 Jan 2015 19:53:57 -05002015-01-17T19:53:57-05:00Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 9:29 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think putting men and women in the same berthing area tempts personnel too much. Sex on ship may not be allowed, but putting men and women in the same sleep area seems to almost encourage (/facilitate) misbehavior. So, if I had a vote, I would vote to keep the female Sailors separated from the male Sailors when it comes to berthing. (Or, what <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="81394" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/81394-00000-not-listed">SrA Private RallyPoint Member</a> said.)CW5 Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 17 Jan 2015 21:29:31 -05002015-01-17T21:29:31-05:00Response by CPO Emmett (Bud) Carpenter made Jan 17 at 2015 10:30 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The first female of my rate in the Navy worked for me I was the night check supervisor ,Vf124 AME Shop around 1974 or 1975. It was tough enough getting everyone to work together on shore duty. Now you want them to sleep together on sea duty and work together. Oh my, I'm glad I'm retired.CPO Emmett (Bud) CarpenterSat, 17 Jan 2015 22:30:55 -05002015-01-17T22:30:55-05:00Response by LTC Stephen C. made Jan 17 at 2015 11:49 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Unfortunately, the U.S. Navy isn't ready for unrestricted berthing areas...or females serving on subs...or treating shipmates with respect...<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.ibtimes.com/women-secretly-filmed-showering-us-navy-submarines-sparks-criminal-investigation-1733546">http://www.ibtimes.com/women-secretly-filmed-showering-us-navy-submarines-sparks-criminal-investigation-1733546</a><br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/09/navy-vandegrift-commanding-officer-fired-sexual-assault-allegation/16988107/">http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/09/navy-vandegrift-commanding-officer-fired-sexual-assault-allegation/16988107/</a><br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/18/us-usa-military-sexualassault-idUSBREA2H0OK20140318">http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/18/us-usa-military-sexualassault-idUSBREA2H0OK20140318</a><br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/04/us/blue-angels-chauvinism/">http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/04/us/blue-angels-chauvinism/</a><br /><br />We've still got a long ways to go.PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberSun, 18 Jan 2015 06:53:01 -05002015-01-18T06:53:01-05:00Response by SPC Christopher McClaskey made Jan 18 at 2015 8:38 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No way thats asking for troubleSPC Christopher McClaskeySun, 18 Jan 2015 08:38:31 -05002015-01-18T08:38:31-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2015 8:42 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No! keep them separate. I noticed some people trying to make it seem like things would go smoothly as in "it's just a bunch of sailors waking up to stand late watches and rushing to go to quarters dilligently." Let's keep it real. If you put men and women in close proximity there will be a whole lot of heart to heart action regardless of race. It's been like that for centuries. We're mammals it's embedded in us. A filthy berthing isn't going to stop anyone from doing what they're not supposed to do. How do I know? Because I've seen it happen already. Yes female was in male berthing during a liberty port and they took care of business. Or even an enlisted male in a female officer's stateroom. Fan rooms are dusty but do you think when someone is in the mood they have time to be picky? Majority of service members are in their 20s. Hormones are at their peak around that age. You mean to tell me if a beautiful voluptuous woman (and we all know there's always that one very attractive woman) walks by in berthing in her bras and panties that a heterosexual male will not stare? Emotions will run high testosterone will too and it would be a disaster. I'm not sugar coating anything. Other countries may be able to make it work. But this is America. Sex is a big deal in America. Loads of porn (and I mean hundreds of GBs of porn) are shared amongst males in the berthings. You telling me after they watch it they won't want the real thing that could be sleeping an arms length from them? Or there's always that one female who loves the extra attention from men and the larger the quantity the better for her if you know what I mean. Sexual harassment is a serious thing and we know it's going to happen. As much as everyone wants life to be happy with sunshine and rainbows the reality is it can't and won't be. There's sex addicts and perverts living on these vessels. By putting them in very close proximity like berthings will not have positive results. Keeping males and females is what's safest and best. A ship filled with rape cases is not a mission capable ship.PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberSun, 18 Jan 2015 08:42:40 -05002015-01-18T08:42:40-05:00Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Jan 18 at 2015 9:20 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not making light of your question, but I would truly hate to see them become real "birthing" areas.SFC Collin McMillionSun, 18 Jan 2015 09:20:56 -05002015-01-18T09:20:56-05:00Response by CPT Richard Riley made Jan 18 at 2015 9:28 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>How is placing personnel of both sexes in the same berthing areas a positive thing or gain any force readiness? We can go by the "rules are rules" theory and believe that everyone will follow them - I doubt that would be 100% efficient. "Time honored tradition" theory may cause most to hesitate on poor and less than honorable behavior but at the end of the day this idea seems to cause more problems than it solves and at an expensive cost personnel wise.<br /><br />Nature has a way of separating humans intrinsically and it's not nice to try and fool mother nature.CPT Richard RileySun, 18 Jan 2015 09:28:05 -05002015-01-18T09:28:05-05:00Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2015 11:10 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes I believe we should it's honestly like drinking you see the number of underage drinking incidents here because you have to be twenty one, yet in other countries the number of incidents is significantly lower. Because it's no big deal. The more you separate or remove the more people are tempted. We shower and share berthing with people that are gay how is that any different. Society itself needs to change it's outlook on sex first before this could happen. I wish we could be more mature with about the situation and each others bodies but I agreed with integrated i think there would be less SAPR issuesPO3 Private RallyPoint MemberSun, 18 Jan 2015 11:10:26 -05002015-01-18T11:10:26-05:00Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jan 18 at 2015 6:03 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Berthing? Are you Navy personnel talking about having babies on ships?SSG (ret) William MartinSun, 18 Jan 2015 18:03:09 -05002015-01-18T18:03:09-05:00Response by SFC Jason Porter made Jan 19 at 2015 9:17 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Lol really? It could be possible if both male and female where professional enough. But you are looking at sexual misconduct here. Not a good idea.SFC Jason PorterMon, 19 Jan 2015 09:17:35 -05002015-01-19T09:17:35-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2015 11:52 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>i dont see anything wrong with co-ed berthing. regardless if you are separated by gender or not, if two people are attracted and wish to have sex with each other, there are plenty of places on board to hide away and do such, even on submarines i could list off a slew of possible locations. sleeping separately or co-ed wont make a difference there. the problem will come when someone becomes childish and does something stupid, sadly there are so many childish personal in the military that those acts will never totally disappear (ie: filming the female officers shower on the wyoming).PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberMon, 19 Jan 2015 11:52:50 -05002015-01-19T11:52:50-05:00Response by SFC Timothy Dingman made Jan 19 at 2015 1:00 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>YesSFC Timothy DingmanMon, 19 Jan 2015 13:00:22 -05002015-01-19T13:00:22-05:00Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 19 at 2015 11:26 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am no Navy Expert... aside from being the son of retired Navy Sub Mariner. I think, no matter where this gender integration effort takes us, that there are some things we should do (when possible) separately. Sleeping (berthing), and showers and latrines are in that category.COL Charles WilliamsMon, 19 Jan 2015 23:26:41 -05002015-01-19T23:26:41-05:00Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2015 11:24 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If they are going to open up berthing to openly gay and straight people, why not. They separated us due to the natural attraction between the males and females of our species to begin with. Let's just open it all up to more problems. (Note the sarcasm)Cpl Private RallyPoint MemberTue, 20 Jan 2015 11:24:13 -05002015-01-20T11:24:13-05:00Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2015 12:40 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There is an obvious agenda in America to uni-sex everything and everyone. If they want to do that in Europe, they can go right ahead. I prefer to use the men's bathroom (head) and sleep in the male berthing, without women around in both situations. Call me traditional, old fashioned, a prude... I don't care.<br /><br />I'm sure it will happen eventually. Hopefully not until after I retire though.SCPO Private RallyPoint MemberTue, 20 Jan 2015 12:40:25 -05002015-01-20T12:40:25-05:00Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Jan 20 at 2015 5:15 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm coming into this discussion a bit late, but I have to say I think that this would be a horrid idea. It would promote, imho, more sexual misconduct; whether it be rape, harassment, hazing or consensual, it's just asking for trouble. <br /><br />I don't know what conditions are like in a FOB, never having been at one, but I have seen what things are like on Navy ships with women, and it's always messy. <br /><br />Good order and discipline mandates, imho, maintaining appropriate boundaries, if for no other reason than to keep honest sailors honest.LCDR Rabbah Rona MatlowTue, 20 Jan 2015 17:15:19 -05002015-01-20T17:15:19-05:00Response by PO2 Richard Fountain made Jan 20 at 2015 10:45 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No!PO2 Richard FountainTue, 20 Jan 2015 22:45:30 -05002015-01-20T22:45:30-05:00Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 5:33 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No way in hell should this ever happen. My wife is also in the Navy and I wouldn't be comfortable with guys in her berthing.CPO Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 05:33:44 -05002015-01-21T05:33:44-05:00Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 9:03 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think this would be a VERY bad idea!!!! People in all branches everywhere (not all people) have sex at some point with another one in the area. This is making it to easy and asking for people to.SN Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 09:03:30 -05002015-01-21T09:03:30-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 9:34 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>To integrate the sexes within berthings is only going to make things worse. This will just make it easier for everyone to have sexual relationships and the navy standards of sexual assault, fraternization, and adultery still apply? We are already dealing with sexual assault, y makes things worse!PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 09:34:16 -05002015-01-21T09:34:16-05:00Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 10:16 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The future will be very starship troopers esque. I remember being downrange and having on two seperate occasions a norwegian and romanian army soldier (female) walk right in the shower, strip, and get in. The whole segregates sexes thing is a VERY American concept. Personally I think it should stop (in general), but many disagree and that's fine too.CW3 Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 10:16:09 -05002015-01-21T10:16:09-05:00Response by AN Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 12:04 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No I have been on an aircraft carrier for two deployments and thhere were so many people getting caught having sex. So why make it eisier for those people.AN Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 12:04:12 -05002015-01-21T12:04:12-05:00Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 1:07 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Having sailors grouped by division is not an "artificial" criterion. It supports accountability for cleanliness and maintenance by a specific chain of command. It also supports work schedules that might be unique to a particular division. Berthing males and females together is not conducive to good order and discipline at sea. Do whatever you want at shore establishments.CAPT Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 13:07:32 -05002015-01-21T13:07:32-05:00Response by PO3 Kyle Barnes made Jan 21 at 2015 1:16 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>YesPO3 Kyle BarnesWed, 21 Jan 2015 13:16:09 -05002015-01-21T13:16:09-05:00Response by PO1 Travis Fitzpatrick made Jan 21 at 2015 1:29 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No. That would create a lot of problems.PO1 Travis FitzpatrickWed, 21 Jan 2015 13:29:38 -05002015-01-21T13:29:38-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 1:30 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As anyone can already go into any berthing especially females into males to access spaces on the ship it would actually be easier to integrate. On the CVN I was on to access CIWS MT21 I had to go thru a male berthing and head. Major pain in the bottom. As it is people already have sex on the ship in spaces where they cannot be seen or out on the fan tail. Racks are too small for that stuff and even then girls got caught in the same rack as another female all the time. So why not?PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 13:30:08 -05002015-01-21T13:30:08-05:00Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 1:32 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No sex between Sailors on a ship? Are you in the same Navy I'm in?SCPO Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 13:32:01 -05002015-01-21T13:32:01-05:00Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 1:36 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think once Don't ask, don't tell was invoked then repealed it brought to light issues that people see and now try to hide behind SHARP, EO, and more power points. Everything is to to shift the blame from the perpetrators to a failure in leadership. Their action is what was wrong - if you graduated high school... heck even middle school and went the basic training you know "Right and Wrong" and there are bad people out there.<br /><br />There are people that like same sex, different sex, all sex, no sex, whatever sex out there. They have slept in the same bay as you, a bay down the hall, another building or ship. Those who break the rules should get punished. Like felony grade discharged never coming back to the united states ever type punishment. <br /><br />For those are so against the idea of guy next to girl - you do know more males get raped due to the fact that there are more males in the military? You should know rape isn't about sex, or did you fall asleep in SHARP training? Rape is about power. It can happen any where, any time. Stop punishing the 99% that do the right thing, because one bad apple. <br /><br />I personally rather have an experiment - have 100 people in a bay mix genders and sexual preferences and then 100 same like people with personal rooms... we can all figure out where the actual problem is going to come from right? .... ? <br /><br />Either way, we are a team;<br /><br />(If there are mistakes in grammar, oops. This kind of irked me)SFC Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 13:36:41 -05002015-01-21T13:36:41-05:00Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 1:50 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not sure if anyone brought this into it but: <a target="_blank" href="http://time.com/36484/norwegian-army-unisex-dorms/">http://time.com/36484/norwegian-army-unisex-dorms/</a><br /><br /><br />"It may sound like a counter-intuitive move, but the Norwegian Army’s decision to make females share bedrooms with their male colleagues has actually led to a drop in sexual harassment." Well look at that, they become a team... <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default">
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SFC Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 13:50:16 -05002015-01-21T13:50:16-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 2:19 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yeah absolutely not! They would be having Sex and boat boo fighting. I don't want to go to berthing and walk around in my pj's I front of every guy on the boat. Plus boys berthing smell. No thank you!PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 14:19:46 -05002015-01-21T14:19:46-05:00Response by PO3 Doyle Lagrand made Jan 21 at 2015 3:01 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I spent 3 years on (CVN70) and I would not think it would be a good idea to integrate.. Just leads to more problems... Remember most sailors are still young adults barely old enough to drink.PO3 Doyle LagrandWed, 21 Jan 2015 15:01:08 -05002015-01-21T15:01:08-05:00Response by PO1 John Tatom made Jan 21 at 2015 3:56 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This should be very simple!! I am assuming that the military has had separate berthings because of the whole sex issue. Men being attracted to women and women being attracted to men. Put them in the same berthing and things are going to happen. but wait!!! now we have homosexuals open in the military. Very simply we should have same sex berthings or have 4 separate berthings, male, female, gay female, gay male. <br /><br />Now just think if we had one berthing!! Our physical fitness scores would increase positively in no time at all.... we would have overweight senior people taking showers with new slim in shape girls and guys... they would be getting in shape just so that they wouldn't look like crap in the showers....PO1 John TatomWed, 21 Jan 2015 15:56:33 -05002015-01-21T15:56:33-05:00Response by PO3 Kurt Carlson made Jan 21 at 2015 4:29 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This should not be a problem. But, it will be. People will connect with each other hoping not to get caught and will face charges when they do. They have always hooked up on shore duty and the same happens on a ship, even when segregated and closely watched, they always find a way.PO3 Kurt CarlsonWed, 21 Jan 2015 16:29:27 -05002015-01-21T16:29:27-05:00Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 4:39 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm all for the "Starship Troopers" approach. Fully integrate everyone and require people to act like adults.SFC Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 16:39:08 -05002015-01-21T16:39:08-05:00Response by SA Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 5:50 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I believe it shouldnt matter where or who your sleeping by. If your sailors are trustworthy and have integrity the only thing i would suggest is having a rover to make sure noone is having sex.SA Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 17:50:25 -05002015-01-21T17:50:25-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 6:12 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not touching this with a 10ft poolPO1 Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 18:12:04 -05002015-01-21T18:12:04-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 6:14 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not touching this with a 10ft pole.PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 18:14:57 -05002015-01-21T18:14:57-05:00Response by PO1 David Mayes made Jan 21 at 2015 9:09 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Seriously The military wants to prevent sexual assault I am sure the Navy complies but does its best to try to temp people well men to commit those. I been on a ship with females lot goes on behind closed doors. Something like this will just be a big orgy in the berthing compartments which could also lead to rape or anything. Don't the lights have to go out at 10 PM. This is opening a big can of worms who even thought of this?PO1 David MayesWed, 21 Jan 2015 21:09:10 -05002015-01-21T21:09:10-05:00Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 10:16 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sorry, todays society has not yet evolved to support integration of male and female in berthing areas. Sexual assault is still a problem in society and our military. This is not a good idea yet.CPO Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 22:16:05 -05002015-01-21T22:16:05-05:00Response by PO2 Kevin LaCroix made Jan 21 at 2015 10:50 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Time for a change, yes. Will it happen quickly or without major problems not likely. Segregating by gender perpetuates the idea that men and women are equal but no gender equality.<br /><br />Mysogeny and sexism cant be trained out.PO2 Kevin LaCroixWed, 21 Jan 2015 22:50:16 -05002015-01-21T22:50:16-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 11:25 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Absolutely not. First let's define what we are talking about. A gender is how one sees themself either male or female. A sex is the physical attributes that define that category. We already berth genders together due to differences in thought processes. Berthing sexes together would be a nightmare. First, The command would not be able to trust its people to sleep and not have sex thus increasing duty requirements, eg posting a rover. Second, Unit cohesion is built in the work center and the deck plates not in the berthings, this applies to ships not dirt based sailors. Third, the current system installed on multiple sex ships is working, don't fix what isn't broken. Finally, the seperation allows for a certain feeling of safety and security which increases productivity. <br />Leave the current system in place until the navy is willing to rescind the no sex on ships rule.PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 23:25:10 -05002015-01-21T23:25:10-05:00Response by PO2 Teresa Burton made Jan 21 at 2015 11:58 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>NO WAY!!!!!!!PO2 Teresa BurtonWed, 21 Jan 2015 23:58:40 -05002015-01-21T23:58:40-05:00Response by PO3 Gina Slade made Jan 22 at 2015 12:00 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think the males & females should remain in separate berths.PO3 Gina SladeThu, 22 Jan 2015 00:00:55 -05002015-01-22T00:00:55-05:00Response by PO1 Kenny Closs made Jan 22 at 2015 12:02 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>"Sex between sailors on the same ship has never been allowed". Except for the uncountable times it happened, lmao!PO1 Kenny ClossThu, 22 Jan 2015 00:02:51 -05002015-01-22T00:02:51-05:00Response by PO2 Lisa Acap made Jan 22 at 2015 12:20 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No, I think this would definitely be a problem. Enough goes on on a ship without adding to the mix.PO2 Lisa AcapThu, 22 Jan 2015 00:20:23 -05002015-01-22T00:20:23-05:00Response by SN Erika Chaparro Gomez made Jan 22 at 2015 1:51 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Personally I believe it's time to practice what is preached. They instill from day one of boot that the men and women in your division/unit/barracks/ship etc are your brothers and sisters. Your home away from home, your military family. So why treat one another like strangers when it comes to living space? That just never made sense to me. From experience some of my closest and most trusted friendships in the Nacy are people I still to this day consider family & I can say I shared a room sometimes even a bed with them and never once were lines crossed, male or female, and I trust any one of them with my life. To this day, I have never felt safer as when I was sharing my daily living space and experiences with the people I now consider my brothers and sisters.SN Erika Chaparro GomezThu, 22 Jan 2015 01:51:03 -05002015-01-22T01:51:03-05:00Response by PO3 Devin Gallagher made Jan 22 at 2015 2:00 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Uh...I am pretty sure sex on the ship is a current problem and has always been a problem since the induction of women. I know this because I know several people who got caught and sent to mass for it. This would make things even worse. Furthermore I am pretty sure that women don't want men seeing them naked unless they are having sex and or married and men are the exact same way. I am not comfortable having every woman on the ship knowing my exact dimensions if you know what I mean and you know that every woman talks to every other woman and it would be known by every one of them after a single week. Which would make me wonder what a woman is thinking about every time I interacted with her. A good example of this is when I was cranking in the officer mess and one of the female enlisted sailors told one of the most attractive female officers that every guy in the officers mess thinks she is sexy and masterbates while thinking about her. Which made it extremely uncomfortable to not only work in the officer mess but I didn't even want to talk to her for fear of any hidden meanings she might perceive as a result of our conversations.PO3 Devin GallagherThu, 22 Jan 2015 02:00:33 -05002015-01-22T02:00:33-05:00Response by PO2 Meagan Brown made Jan 22 at 2015 2:32 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>All of this business about sex and rape and acting like adults aside - every shipboard berthing I ever ran across was connected to the head/showers. Am I cool with sleeping in the same room with a bunch of dudes? Sure. Am I cool showering in the same room as a bunch of dudes? NOT IN A MILLION YEARSPO2 Meagan BrownThu, 22 Jan 2015 02:32:07 -05002015-01-22T02:32:07-05:00Response by PO2 Alphonso Hall-Johnson made Jan 22 at 2015 3:37 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No , it's not time for a change. We are not ready for man and woman to live in the same room. We still have a long way too go.PO2 Alphonso Hall-JohnsonThu, 22 Jan 2015 03:37:36 -05002015-01-22T03:37:36-05:00Response by PO2 Ryan Sparks made Jan 22 at 2015 7:43 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Excuse me but Incase everyone hasnt noticed the racks on board the ship barely fit the average person so there is not near enough space for intercourse between 2 people. If your gonna have sex on board a ship everyone knows you go to a fan room. So as long as the changeing and showering happens separately there shouldn't be problems.PO2 Ryan SparksThu, 22 Jan 2015 07:43:41 -05002015-01-22T07:43:41-05:00Response by PO3 Venus Printers-Frank made Jan 22 at 2015 9:11 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Give it a try but set clear geound rules and if those rules are broken quick servere punishment should ensue.PO3 Venus Printers-FrankThu, 22 Jan 2015 09:11:48 -05002015-01-22T09:11:48-05:00Response by SSgt Daniel Reed made Jan 22 at 2015 9:33 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm sure it will happen someday but I don't know about now.SSgt Daniel ReedThu, 22 Jan 2015 09:33:20 -05002015-01-22T09:33:20-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 9:34 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is a complicated question. I am in favor of mixed berthing in theory.<br />However, on my last ship our berthing was really nice...as in clean. The male berthing for my division had a smell I don't care to describe here. I'll just leave it at gag-worthy. The other issue is showers. I know we can get to the showers with a robe or shorts/t-shirt on, but there is usually no private place to put these, which means either being naked in front of the opposite sex or taking turns in the shower. <br />I think these are issues that can be worked out, but I don't know if we're there yet.PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 09:34:05 -05002015-01-22T09:34:05-05:00Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 12:00 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I haven't been able to read all the responses so if I repeat ideas already put forth, you have my apologies.<br /><br />My first thought is "Why bother?" Will it really make the division or department work better? Have more Esprit de Corps? <br /><br />My second thought is that the main problem people will face is lack of privacy. Sure there's no privacy already in ship's berthing but at least you (mostly) don't have to worry about your genitals being oggled while you change into fresh skivvies in a segregated berthing. <br /><br />Thirdly, I doubt that it will facilitate any fraternization. Enlisted berthing is just too jam packed for that sort of thing to pass unnoticed. If people are going to do it they will just find a void somewhere and do it there.<br /><br />Anyway unless the ship is unable to provide separate berthing due to lack of available spaces to put them then I think it's not really necessary.PO3 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 12:00:53 -05002015-01-22T12:00:53-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 12:04 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Should not be allowed...PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 12:04:25 -05002015-01-22T12:04:25-05:00Response by PO2 John Holmes made Jan 22 at 2015 2:47 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Would make it easier for folks doing PM's to access spaces without going through so much red tape to get the job done.PO2 John HolmesThu, 22 Jan 2015 14:47:03 -05002015-01-22T14:47:03-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 3:28 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why should females have to share a berthing with males? That would give us no privacy to get dressed and I'm sure the males wouldn't want to deal with some female issues. Who cares if we get split up from people in our work center. ..we're around them all day, everyday anyways!! Horrible ideaPO2 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 15:28:47 -05002015-01-22T15:28:47-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 4:29 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>We make too much of an issue out of what might happen. If your that worried make a berthing watch.PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 16:29:09 -05002015-01-22T16:29:09-05:00Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 4:31 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is a workplace, not a barracks. There still needs to be a level of professionalism. Sleeping in separate berthings does not separate you from your division. With males and females sleeping in the same berthing I feel like any other scenario they will start sleeping together. That is not only fraternization. 1. If two people date and then break up that's more unneeded stress. 2. If a female gets pregnant we lose a body and then everyone else has to pick up the workload. 3. If a first and whoever are caught sleeping together that's mast and loss of more bodies. This will only cause problems.PO3 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 16:31:31 -05002015-01-22T16:31:31-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 4:32 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Picking orders in the navy as a female is horrible. All because of that little option in cmsid that says "female rack availability". I say put everyone together. No one is supposed to have sex on the ship but they do anyway even wih separate berthings. You are supposed to dress shower and everything else in the head anyway and those are not going to be coed anytime soon. I feel like if this happened we would have much better options for ordersPO2 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 16:32:14 -05002015-01-22T16:32:14-05:00Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 4:41 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Absolutely not. As a female, I don't feel comfortable having males in the berthing, possibly seeing me shower/dress. Even if they are perfectly respectful, I don't want to have to worry.PO3 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 16:41:17 -05002015-01-22T16:41:17-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 4:43 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Myself as a GSM2, I did indeed think about what if ALL us engineers were in the same berthing. Simply because they are my family I directly work with these men. I can have a pre watch wake up just like the males. It's not fun waking up other males just to make sure my relief is awake at for the mid or rev watch. Speaking for myself I have the responsibility and self discipline to NOT do what I am not suppose to. Sadly I cannot say that for others. As others have already mentioned there are numerous sexual altercations in todays world. It may get worse or be exactly the same if sexes were mixed. Is this a good idea OVERALL..no. Would I stay in a male berthing..yes. Not everyone in our forces are professional so do not be surprised if there is a increase of sexual activities being discovered within the same sex sleeping areas.PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 16:43:09 -05002015-01-22T16:43:09-05:00Response by SFC Michael Jackson, MBA made Jan 22 at 2015 4:44 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Don't truly know enough about Naval ships to take a solid position. From an outsider's point of view, Navy ships are limited in space and facilities. From the surface, it would be worth considering opening them up to male and females for maximizing usage of them. <br />Not that concerned mixing male and females. I believe Sailors are disciplined and can handle coed sharing.SFC Michael Jackson, MBAThu, 22 Jan 2015 16:44:16 -05002015-01-22T16:44:16-05:00Response by PO2 Russian Roulette made Jan 22 at 2015 5:39 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think it's a tradition that will never be broken. It could work with different living arrangements but it will have to be well thought out.PO2 Russian RouletteThu, 22 Jan 2015 17:39:20 -05002015-01-22T17:39:20-05:00Response by AA Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 5:41 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Honestly I don't see this as a problem. It's all about trust and your workshop is your family. Sleeping in a berthing with your family of same and opposite sex shouldnt and most likely wouldnt be a problem. On duty we sleep in the workshop half of the time anyways, so right there is co-ed arrangements of sleeping in a shop. Not a problem in my perspective.AA Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 17:41:52 -05002015-01-22T17:41:52-05:00Response by MGySgt George W Iliffe Jr made Jan 22 at 2015 5:54 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Male and female berthing is normally separated and should be, but there will be times when hanky panky will occur as human nature is hard to controlMGySgt George W Iliffe JrThu, 22 Jan 2015 17:54:30 -05002015-01-22T17:54:30-05:00Response by PO1 Michael Fullmer made Jan 22 at 2015 6:13 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Only if it wants major trouble. Wives AND husbands who stay ashore & are not in the Navy will or should raise 7 kinds of hell if they know the berthings are co-ed. Not that they dont trust their spouse, its the other's in the coop they'd have issue with. If females are to remain on ship's, keep them in separate berthings. To make matters worse, I recently read that now the Navy is looking to put female enlisted on sub's...BAD idea. Those qtrs are even more cramped the n a conventional surface ship. Just how I feel...PO1 Michael FullmerThu, 22 Jan 2015 18:13:45 -05002015-01-22T18:13:45-05:00Response by PO3 Robert Montgomery made Jan 22 at 2015 6:29 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Being on a ship with women......This would be a big mistake......For Many Many Many reasons.PO3 Robert MontgomeryThu, 22 Jan 2015 18:29:52 -05002015-01-22T18:29:52-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 6:34 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Continuing this thought process, should heads be segregated then? If we are going to work, eat and sleep together (same berthing not same rack), should we also shower together?PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 18:34:48 -05002015-01-22T18:34:48-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 6:39 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Definitely not, we already have issues with males and females sneaking off to do things in various rarely used spaces throughout the ship. I would think that would spread to berthings if they were integrated. It would create a lot more drama.PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 18:39:53 -05002015-01-22T18:39:53-05:00Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 9:26 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Um no lol that's crazyPO3 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 21:26:26 -05002015-01-22T21:26:26-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 11:47 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I believe a transition would be viable if we started with a "segregated" berthing area where it was males on one side and females on the other. Same compartment, but still segregated. Just a thought.PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 23:47:00 -05002015-01-22T23:47:00-05:00Response by PO3 Lenrica Levy made Jan 23 at 2015 6:08 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>NO. PERIOD. PRINCIPLE IS PRINCIPLE.PO3 Lenrica LevyFri, 23 Jan 2015 06:08:27 -05002015-01-23T06:08:27-05:00Response by AA Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 6:21 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Personally we shouldn't integrate the berthings. There's already been so many sex on the ship cases that ended in them getting kicked out. And being married, it's like, what if I take a shower and a guy is in the head. I don't want him seeing my body. I don't want him watching me get ready or get dressed in the mornings. And the fact that some females are uncomfortable around males or uncomfortable with their bodies. You have to consider that. Males may be all for it. But then there's more than likely going to be more SAPR cases as well.AA Private RallyPoint MemberFri, 23 Jan 2015 06:21:42 -05002015-01-23T06:21:42-05:00Response by PO2 Steven Soares made Jan 23 at 2015 6:24 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>They should definitely not be allowed to berth together. Keeping males and females segregated has nothing to do with whether or not anyone would be trying to have sex. It had to do with physical privacy while dressing or actually sleeping. In addition all women whether they're straight, gay or any other orientation have times where personal privacy I'd of the utmost importance. They are also bound to have times where dressing in the head just isn't possible and they may need to dress in the berthing area. It would be very unfair to force them to do so in the presence of male shipmates.PO2 Steven SoaresFri, 23 Jan 2015 06:24:23 -05002015-01-23T06:24:23-05:00Response by PO2 Jordan Williams made Jan 23 at 2015 6:27 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No. Trust me it is a bad Idea. It will cause more problems then its worth.<br />Believe me if they tried it on select ships it wouldn't take long for thwm to change back.PO2 Jordan WilliamsFri, 23 Jan 2015 06:27:42 -05002015-01-23T06:27:42-05:00Response by PO2 Kay Ralston made Jan 23 at 2015 8:56 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I strongly believe that if you place males and females in the same berthing areas this will encourage more rapes than what is already happening. This would only highly encourage this horrible act! Do NOT do this.PO2 Kay RalstonFri, 23 Jan 2015 08:56:07 -05002015-01-23T08:56:07-05:00Response by PO2 Frank Walker made Jan 23 at 2015 10:09 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So here's the deal. Yes sex on ships and sex between shipmates is a nono. But guess what. It still happens every minute that goes by there is a new relationship or a new set of ppl hooking up. It's like when we were younger (speaking for my age group) our parents did everything to stop us from doing what we wanted. But at the end of the day; we still ended up getting some alone time with that special person so they could have sex. My point is Regardless of if they ever integrate or not sex between sailors is still going to happen whether big navy likes it or not. I do agree that the sexual assault rate would go up. But like I said. They will never EVER be able to stop sailors from having sex. And this is one of those other reasons that I chose to get out. We are all grown but there are so many ppl that the navy can't trust to act like adults that they have to put 10000 rules in place that make life miserable for the ppl who actually act like adults. Smh.PO2 Frank WalkerFri, 23 Jan 2015 10:09:01 -05002015-01-23T10:09:01-05:00Response by PO1 James Ferguson made Jan 23 at 2015 10:28 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If the U.S. Navy is even considering this, they might want to start by taking baby steps. First you should integrate co-ed bathrooms. Try that for a year or two and see how it works out before considering co-ed berthings. If our sailors are really as responsible as some people claim, this would be the best and least evasive way to prove it. If all works out, then we could move on to co-ed berthings. If it doesn't, then it's back to life as we know it.PO1 James FergusonFri, 23 Jan 2015 10:28:13 -05002015-01-23T10:28:13-05:00Response by SN Luis Cartagena made Jan 23 at 2015 11:08 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think it is due to America having always having had this intense outlook on gender separation that it would be difficult to integrate now. But once if at all integrated can also reduce a lot of under way stressesSN Luis CartagenaFri, 23 Jan 2015 11:08:24 -05002015-01-23T11:08:24-05:00Response by PO1 Michael G. made Jan 23 at 2015 11:26 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="44447" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/44447-cmdcm-gene-treants">CMDCM Gene Treants</a> Master Chief, sorry I'm coming late to this party, but this showed up in the "trending discussions" bar, and I had some thoughts.<br /><br />I would have to say that the time is not quite right to do so. In light of what happened aboard the Wyoming recently, I think it's, unfortunately, clear that there are some sailors who do not respect the privacy of their shipmates. <br /><br />As for having gay sailors in the same berthing as straight sailors, I don't think that that's really an issue; presumably, there have been gay sailors in those compartments for a long time and they've kept their hands and eyes to themselves. When that isn't the case, though, I don't see it being handled in any manner that is different from when a straight sailor assaults another straight sailor.PO1 Michael G.Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:26:56 -05002015-01-23T11:26:56-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 12:57 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Take my photo off your article!PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberFri, 23 Jan 2015 12:57:27 -05002015-01-23T12:57:27-05:00Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 12:58 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think the berthings should stay the way they arePO3 Private RallyPoint MemberFri, 23 Jan 2015 12:58:57 -05002015-01-23T12:58:57-05:00Response by PO3 Robert Gunderson made Jan 23 at 2015 2:49 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That would depend on the cultural significance for each gender and the militaries need to make things right for each gender. How significant is the right to privacy does each gender need? What are the traditional, cultural and military needs for such a gender mix? And what amount of privacy does each gender need to complete a military mission? As far as on gender in a birth space goes, that was the only consideration when only one gender was need or called up to serve. Now we have both, And privacy usualy took a backseat when the military needed to get something done.PO3 Robert GundersonFri, 23 Jan 2015 14:49:05 -05002015-01-23T14:49:05-05:00Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 2:54 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would love to say that as adults we could handle this. But after being deployed for 9 months on a carrier, I can tell you it wouldn't be a horrible idea. Yes sex is not supposed to happen between sailors, but we all know it does. Sleeping in the same berthing would be pushing the boundaries of temptation. I know that some of the lesbians in our berthing on deployment were having sex, so tell me that it wouldn't happen in an integrated berthing. I would have no problem sharing a berthing with the guys I work with, but the rest of my department? Even my division? I don't know. I don't think I would be able to sleep comfortably around them. When you are deployed, and you are around the same people every day for 12 hours a day, you start to become emotionally attached to them, weather it's love, lust, or you start to think of them as family, I couldn't imagine how much worse it would be if we all shared a berthing. Not to mention, when it comes to showering and changing, I don't want the guys I work with to see me in minimal clothing by mistake. The Navy is all about stopping sexual abuse and sexual harassment, tell me that wouldn't happen in an integrated berthing.PO3 Private RallyPoint MemberFri, 23 Jan 2015 14:54:17 -05002015-01-23T14:54:17-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 5:57 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The problem it would create outweighs whatever problem they would attempt to fix.PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberFri, 23 Jan 2015 17:57:30 -05002015-01-23T17:57:30-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 6:35 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Have you seen the male berthings! They smell and hot rack and are disgusting! Cag females share a berthing and it never gets like that. We respect each other's spaces. Plus, I like to sleep in just my underwear and I couldn't do that in a co-Ed berthing. <br />I work with only guys all day so it's nice to just have girl talk with no judgements. <br />Also, there are males that I NEVER want to see in skivviesPO2 Private RallyPoint MemberFri, 23 Jan 2015 18:35:18 -05002015-01-23T18:35:18-05:00Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Jan 23 at 2015 7:24 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think this is less a discussion about gender than how the Navy at Sea does Berthing than anything.<br /><br />Shore-board commands are able to create "Separate but equal" (pardon the phrase) housing which eliminates 95% of this issue. <br /><br />As stated in the first paragraph, the Officers use staterooms of just a few officers, so the issue becomes moot.<br /><br />The enlisted however... I remember having our entire Headquarters Company in 2 Berthing Areas (Excluding Officers, and E6+) on the Essex.<br /><br />Had we had women, we probably could have supported them in the same berthing area, without any issues. The only allowance we would have had to make would designated shower times for them, or just set the firewatch outside one of the bays while they were in use (as a courtesy).<br /><br />With 120+ Marines in close confines, nothing would have happened in the berthing areas.Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MSFri, 23 Jan 2015 19:24:35 -05002015-01-23T19:24:35-05:00Response by CPT Richard Riley made Jan 23 at 2015 9:26 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think they should to a certain degree, especially if you have duel members serving on the same shipSGT Private RallyPoint MemberFri, 23 Jan 2015 21:32:00 -05002015-01-23T21:32:00-05:00Response by Sgt Packy Flickinger made Jan 23 at 2015 9:34 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As long as berthing areas don't lead to birthing areas.Sgt Packy FlickingerFri, 23 Jan 2015 21:34:55 -05002015-01-23T21:34:55-05:00Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 10:39 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I do not believe that the opposite sex should share a berthing, however, you have a valid point about people that are gay and living in the same berthing. We had a problem with that in our only female berthing on my ship (a CG). The only way to prevent openly gay personnel from sleeping together in the same berthing is to have strict berthing rules and regulations laid out in black and white. And if people don't obey, write up papers. It sucks, but it's really the only way.SN Private RallyPoint MemberFri, 23 Jan 2015 22:39:09 -05002015-01-23T22:39:09-05:00Response by MSgt Gary Koble made Jan 24 at 2015 12:39 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In a perfect world, yes... but we're a long way from perfect. Maybe this will be possible in the future when everybody truly respects each other, but I don't see such accommodations being possible in the near future. In the meantime, we'll just go on pretending that *everybody* believes in their integrityMSgt Gary KobleSat, 24 Jan 2015 00:39:42 -05002015-01-24T00:39:42-05:00Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 4:07 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Basic gender segregation in berthing and barracks is just good policy and continues to be so. When I was getting ready to ship to boot many moons ago, I vividly remember cooling my heels at MEPS waiting to swear my oath and get my plane ticket while chatting with a Army Reservist on his way to AIT, this Joe was showing me his boot camp "Year Book" and there were red Xs through a variety of male and female head shots. I asked what they were for, and he started listing off the various drop infractions, and a surprising number were being caught getting a quick barracks shag in. <br /><br />In the field however you need to keep units with units, when shit goes tits up at 0'dark fuck this, I don't need to be scrambling to find PFC Suzy and PVT GI Jane in the dark when I need to be making sure my Marines are all together and moving towards the wire. Similarly, keeping family with family so to speak, means NCOs and Senior Lances can keep an ear to the ground if someone tries to cause trouble with the ladies. Make sure they have their space and their privacy sure, but better to keep them with the unit.LCpl Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 24 Jan 2015 04:07:35 -05002015-01-24T04:07:35-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 6:55 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>We would be really stupid to even believe that sailors on ship do not have sexual intercourse. It would cause more negative impact on the Navy, with things like videos etc. I also believe recruitment would go down for females.PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 24 Jan 2015 06:55:28 -05002015-01-24T06:55:28-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 2:25 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I agree. Now we are not talking about open showers to the point of Starship troopers, but I do believe it should happen in time.PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 24 Jan 2015 14:25:40 -05002015-01-24T14:25:40-05:00Response by CPO Michael Stahl made Jan 24 at 2015 6:53 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The berthing should stay separate. Yes, there are SOME females who will get pregnant just before a deployment, just as there are SOME maies who try to get out of deployment on a psych issue (suicide/homicide/anger management/etc.) While I am all for berthing Departments and Divisions together, mixed gender berthing won't work. Too many 18 y/o's and too many hormones.CPO Michael StahlSat, 24 Jan 2015 18:53:20 -05002015-01-24T18:53:20-05:00Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 8:56 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In my 22 years in the Navy (12 of those at sea) experience there is no way this would EVER be a good idea. As we speak sex already happens on ships from Officers on down. I've seen dozens go to mast alone, and that's just the ones I know about. It would be like pouring gasoline on a large fire that is already going. Sure there are some that would be able to handle it, but there will be a lot that wouldn't. I'm sorry to say just because some has joined the military does not make them good people. I've seen everything from murder rape, pedophiles, drug use, theft and the list keep going. Also, sad to say and in my personal opinion the grade of sailor we are getting lately out of boot camp hold Honor, Courage and Commitment at a very different level. (not in a good way) Yes, I still see a few good ones and I give everyone a chance , but there still is a noticeable difference. Yes as leaders we are supposed to mold our personnel the best we can, but as the saying goes "you can't fix stupid". Very stupid idea and come on retirement!CPO Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 24 Jan 2015 20:56:00 -05002015-01-24T20:56:00-05:00Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 10:32 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The amount of NJPS and sexual assault allegations would be ridiculous. And I would not wanna share a berthing with multiple females... I've heard some pretty gross stories.PO3 Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 24 Jan 2015 22:32:41 -05002015-01-24T22:32:41-05:00Response by PO2 Thomas MacDermott made Jan 25 at 2015 1:34 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>MCPO Gene Treants, <br /><br />Reading through a good portion of replies, it is already happening and has been. Sex in berthing will happen when berthing combined genders. <br /><br />Can it be avoided? In time, with proper training, return of higher Morals. It could be like Starship Troopers. As long as our Society continues to place a aura of taboo to nudity and sex alike, it won't happen. <br /><br />That is really the root of the problem. The 'taboos' of our Society. Train this out of the Service Members, set the standards of equal in the eyes of the beholder. In a way, take the lifestyle of the Nudists'. They do not see a "naked person" walking around. They see just another person. Age and gender is not 'observed' within these Resorts. <br /><br />It would have to start in Basic Training. Not in the Fleet, Army, or Air Base. We are trained to be what is expected of us. Broken and built back up into a Sailor, Soldier, Marine, Airman. Open Barracks in all training facilities, no private rooms. Focus on the acceptance and 'ignoring' nudity. Focus on the fact that each is the same as the other, a Service Member. Not just the opposite sex. <br /><br />Society at large will be the issue to get around. The general public still feels woman should not be in the Service, in harms way.PO2 Thomas MacDermottSun, 25 Jan 2015 01:34:22 -05002015-01-25T01:34:22-05:00Response by FN Rurik Schutte made Jan 25 at 2015 3:49 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>MCPO Gene Treants<br />My answer is not "politically correct" and I do not apologies for it. I'm just being real.<br /><br /> No, Keep it the Way it is. If we would have shard the same berthing we would have shard the same showers. and sometimes you don't change in the showers. BEQs are vary different "apples to oranges" and BEQs are still separated by gender. Berthings are are in the most part MC, you might or might not remember 6 pack living and your question could just be something you want opinions on, I don't know. The elephant in the room is that sex on the ship already happens underway and at home and in port calls (right!). Lines are blurred already. The curtains that are shut don't shut well and sometimes their are only 2 instead of 3. their were times when 6 men was uncomfortable. Captains Mast would go though the roof or females would have to be told to just suck it up. Horseplay would go terribly wrong horseplay does happen (right!) I don't agree with the current DADT but this would be like saying Don't have sex with with your shipmates but if you do use condoms, "we don't want to send our females shipmates off the ship just because they are pregnant" witch happens anyway to avoid deployment or.... (right!)<br /><br />God gave men and women different ways of thinking, different ways of expressing themselves, male bonding is physical female bonding is verbal. If women are to be treaded or looked as the same as men them their is a big and vary wrong shift in what is right and what is wrong. Women are special and should be treaded as such. I don't mean pampered, but there MUST be a certain level of difference.<br /><br /> Females have the upper hand in when dealing with sexual issues. It doesn't matter what really happened their word trumps the male voice. (right!)FN Rurik SchutteSun, 25 Jan 2015 03:49:43 -05002015-01-25T03:49:43-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 5:45 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I feel that right now, we are not ready for this. I think that in some cases this would work and everything would go fine. Until we deal with the larger issue of sexual assault, I do not see this going well. But who knows? maybe this will help eliminate sexual assault.PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberSun, 25 Jan 2015 05:45:16 -05002015-01-25T05:45:16-05:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 6:44 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think it'd be a bad idea. I would not feel comfortable sleeping and dressing/undressing in front of males. My boyfriend wouldn't be very excited about the idea either.PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberSun, 25 Jan 2015 06:44:49 -05002015-01-25T06:44:49-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 12:15 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>BAD IDEA!PO1 Private RallyPoint MemberSun, 25 Jan 2015 12:15:06 -05002015-01-25T12:15:06-05:00Response by PO2 Timothy Harko made Jan 26 at 2015 1:29 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>During my service I found that if someone wanted to be alone with a member of the other sex then their were a lot of place on the ship he or she could go not just the berthing. Integrating the breathings would be difficult but I do not think that it is out of the question. If integrated like a lot of the other navies around the world I feel that it would bild a stronger and more cohesive fighting unit to the combate theater.PO2 Timothy HarkoMon, 26 Jan 2015 13:29:48 -05002015-01-26T13:29:48-05:00Response by PO1 Autumn Sandeen made Jan 26 at 2015 2:30 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yup.PO1 Autumn SandeenMon, 26 Jan 2015 14:30:11 -05002015-01-26T14:30:11-05:00Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2015 3:30 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Bad idea the stupidest thing i ever hered ur asking for troublePO1 Private RallyPoint MemberMon, 26 Jan 2015 15:30:30 -05002015-01-26T15:30:30-05:00Response by PO3 Lawrence Collins made Jan 26 at 2015 3:57 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Definitely not, this not fair to the waves. How would you feel if this was your Mother or Sister being exposed to this type of environment. They deserve their privacy.PO3 Lawrence CollinsMon, 26 Jan 2015 15:57:27 -05002015-01-26T15:57:27-05:00Response by PO3 Bree Benson made Jan 26 at 2015 4:31 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes time for a change! As a woman I several times shared a tent with men when I was in Iraq and it was no problemPO3 Bree BensonMon, 26 Jan 2015 16:31:58 -05002015-01-26T16:31:58-05:00Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2015 1:23 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Honestly the single 20 year old male part of my mind says hell yes as it probably does with most at first, however the logically thinking part of my mind says that all the gross and horribly awesome shi* guys can do and talk about when its only guys around would go rite out the window and you'd probably see allot more men getting in trouble for the wrong ears overhearing conversations. How about we just allow people to have sex on the ship if they want? Telling adults they cant do adult things is kind of like that parent thats always mad at their kids when they do kid things.PO3 Private RallyPoint MemberTue, 27 Jan 2015 13:23:37 -05002015-01-27T13:23:37-05:00Response by PO1 Shirelle Byrd made Jan 27 at 2015 8:17 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>They cannot be serious! So they have the idea of allowing men and women to sleep in the same berthing and go on the integrity of sexually active men and women will not engage in sexual activity! <br /><br />Yea ok. I literally just retired 2 months ago after serving 20+ years. The population of men and women coming into the Navy today are very youngPO1 Shirelle ByrdTue, 27 Jan 2015 20:17:51 -05002015-01-27T20:17:51-05:00Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2015 11:14 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Everyone doesn't have the same intentions when it comes to men and woman being in the same work space so if you decide to put them in the same berthing knowing that majority of the time people don't have on the right clothing.. I know in both male and female berthings people walk around comfortably when their not in uniform which it's how it should be so if you decide to put them together a lot of people would be uncomfortable and you would hear a lot more sexual harassment or assault casesPO3 Private RallyPoint MemberTue, 27 Jan 2015 23:14:17 -05002015-01-27T23:14:17-05:00Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 6:56 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Honestly they should like tge amount of sapr cases we have now won't increase or decrease because of allow male and females to sleep in same berthing I mean we are now allowing females to join subs we all need to accept fact women in this day and age are just as tough as men so we all gotta get used to it. There are no male and female sailors we are all blue because if a casualties are to happy she might save your life because he rack is next to yours. You did it in boot camp why not out in the fleet??SN Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 28 Jan 2015 06:56:36 -05002015-01-28T06:56:36-05:00Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 10:50 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Here is my concern. While we as a society say men and women are equal, we do not treat them as such under the law. For example, a male and female college student go to a bar, both have a few drinks, and go home. Society's initial thought is that he is a predictor, that his body takes more alcohol to reach the same level of inebriation as hers, and so on. If she says the next day she was raped, he basically goes to jail. If he says he was raped, she probably will not. If they BOTH say they were raped, he will probably go to jail and she will probably not.<br /><br />Rape is something that is entirely on a person's word unless someone was videotaping it to record their saying "No!", and even that can be problematic (for example, did she SAY she wanted to play a role and then decide later to call it rape?)<br /><br />California's "yes means yes" law is implicitly to deal with women being raped, not males (implicit assumption of difference), and the worry about college "rape culture" or our society at large having a "rape culture" is based on this as well.<br /><br />Our laws DO NOT function as men and women being interchangeable.<br /><br />Our society has not evolved to the point of, legally, treating both sexes as equal. A woman can simply say she was raped or harassed and it's automatically true unless the male can prove beyond doubt that it is not - which most can't since they don't go around videotaping their every moment.<br /><br />More than that, in a Navy ship, birthing is a combination bedroom, locker room, bathroom, and shower. I've seen naked butt before with one of my bunk mates changing before going to PT or returning from. Could a female sailor have called that sexual harassment? Or pictures we've taken of ourselves in birthing. Could a female make an accusation that someone was snapping pics of her or harassing her?<br /><br />There are many problems, part due to the unique living situation (again, imagine if you lived in a gym locker room), and part due to our legal/Justice system NOT treating men and women equally yet.<br /><br />Even read these comments.<br /><br />As long as our society assumes males are predators and females are victims, and leans towards taking women's word over men's when it comes to rape and sexual assault, this is not ONLY asking for trouble, it is a disservice to our make servicemembers (who WILL be accused of crimes) as well as our female servicemembers who might be subject to any crimes.ENS Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 28 Jan 2015 10:50:51 -05002015-01-28T10:50:51-05:00Response by AN Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 3:34 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Some time in the future I can see it but not the near future. And as far as gays go the navy can't do anything about. We can't say that since someone is gay they can't sleep in that berthing of the same sex. I'm not saying the navy shouldn't put opposite sex in the same berthing. I'm just saying not for a long while. To be compleatly honest, if the navy really wanted to get rid of a lot of peopple, this would be the quickest way.AN Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 28 Jan 2015 15:34:27 -05002015-01-28T15:34:27-05:00Response by PO2 William Gabriel made Jan 28 at 2015 4:30 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nothing wrong with the arrangements now. Too many problems will come out of combining the berthings.PO2 William GabrielWed, 28 Jan 2015 16:30:16 -05002015-01-28T16:30:16-05:00Response by CPO Harvey Turner made Jan 28 at 2015 9:51 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have been on two tender women have there on space leave well enough a longCPO Harvey TurnerWed, 28 Jan 2015 21:51:08 -05002015-01-28T21:51:08-05:00Response by PO2 Rick Fader made Jan 29 at 2015 9:21 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If equality is the goal....how can you say that women and gays can "control themselves", but straight men cannot? That is NOT equality...might as well call straight men "blacks" and just reinstate segregation.PO2 Rick FaderThu, 29 Jan 2015 21:21:27 -05002015-01-29T21:21:27-05:00Response by CPO William Zaczek made Jan 29 at 2015 10:01 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>NO! no! No! nO! Never!! and Oh! did I mention NO!!!! COED ships have already created their own problems much less than would COED sleeping qtrs.CPO William ZaczekThu, 29 Jan 2015 22:01:23 -05002015-01-29T22:01:23-05:00Response by MCPO Hans Brakob made Jan 31 at 2015 6:18 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think it's a really jacked up idea, Chief. But then I think mixed gender ships are a jacked up idea also.<br /><br />Point your browser to this link for some thoughts --> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.olgoat.com/substuff/dex84.htm">http://www.olgoat.com/substuff/dex84.htm</a>MCPO Hans BrakobSat, 31 Jan 2015 18:18:13 -05002015-01-31T18:18:13-05:00Response by PO2 Christopher Foss made Jan 31 at 2015 11:41 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Do they still teach the sexual discrimination course with the case study where the chief puts the female sailor in as the divisional secretary because the chief has no interest/idea what to do with that person? You know, the one where one of the lessons is the fact that the chief's gender is never mentioned, so most people presume that the chief must be male.<br /><br />I ask because I see a LOT of prejudice here stating that the men are going to be the problem, but I have known more than one female sailor that believed that "grab a.." against a guy was perfectly acceptable.<br /><br />I personally am against this initiative because, at least when I was in the military, sexual harassment was in the eye of the accuser. I don't disagree with that, but a mixed gender berthing means that someone can be harassing just by having their eyes pointed in the wrong place whether that is their intent or not. The regulations correctly lean in the direction of the accuser, but let's try and keep the inertia in favor of prevention, not prosecution.PO2 Christopher FossSat, 31 Jan 2015 23:41:21 -05002015-01-31T23:41:21-05:00Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2015 2:10 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="44447" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/44447-cmdcm-gene-treants">CMDCM Gene Treants</a> Once upon a time, there existed a fan room on a ship with only dudes being underway. One day, the sailors discovered some wool blankets and used condoms in the fan room.SFC Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 19 Feb 2015 02:10:25 -05002015-02-19T02:10:25-05:00Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 10:09 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This has to be a joke. The ship I was on was more of a "Days of Our Lives" then it was a M.A.S.H comedy. You had sailors getting flown off because they miraculously became the second coming of the Virgin Mary. Having sailors engage in intercourse at different part of the ship because they were bored and wanted something to do. There were even sex in berthing in the rack, now thats some athletic and acrobatic intimacy. Not to mention senior leadership having orgy with junior enlisted on port call. Sex will happen, it not a question of "if", but "when".Cpl Tou Lee YangThu, 26 Mar 2015 01:21:21 -04002015-03-26T01:21:21-04:00Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 5:07 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No!!! That is a terrible idea. Would you want your wife sleeping in a room full of men?CPO Private RallyPoint MemberFri, 03 Apr 2015 17:07:02 -04002015-04-03T17:07:02-04:00Response by CPO Tracey Borden made Apr 11 at 2015 2:42 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SeperateCPO Tracey BordenSat, 11 Apr 2015 14:42:32 -04002015-04-11T14:42:32-04:00Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 9:29 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No...PO2 Private RallyPoint MemberSun, 12 Apr 2015 09:29:32 -04002015-04-12T09:29:32-04:00Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2015 10:16 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>During National Guard Annual Training in the field in a medical unit that I was in, we slept co-ed in a GP large tent. There were no problems. I think that when you have a large number of people in an open area it serves as a check. If you have 2, 3 or 4 opposite genders in a GP small that could be a little more problematic.LTC Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 23 May 2015 22:16:47 -04002015-05-23T22:16:47-04:00Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2015 4:23 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Speaking as someone who has spent some time in the E-1 - E-5 berthing, I can honestly say that the opposing sexes may not WANT to share a berthing... Some folks in those berthings are N.A.S.T.Y.SSgt Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 27 May 2015 16:23:01 -04002015-05-27T16:23:01-04:00Response by CAPT Don Bosch, EdD made Jul 28 at 2015 9:50 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Many universities now recognize up to six gender identities. And DoD will soon approve transgenderism for military service. No such thing as "both genders" now. I'd expect all heads/berthing to be unisex eventually.CAPT Don Bosch, EdDTue, 28 Jul 2015 09:50:39 -04002015-07-28T09:50:39-04:00Response by PO2 Alphonso Hall-Johnson made Aug 20 at 2016 5:05 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I say NO, we are not mature still to live together as one,PO2 Alphonso Hall-JohnsonSat, 20 Aug 2016 17:05:53 -04002016-08-20T17:05:53-04:00Response by SCPO Ysmael Ramos made Aug 16 at 2017 10:58 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Hell no you would really have problems. I have been out over 22 years and I don't know if I could restraint myself. I don't want to sound like this oversexed pervert but look at it this way. Have you ever been in a berthing compartment of a ship its not like individual rooms, plaster or even steel walls between the racks. The truth is I am thinking of how it would be like it back when I was on board and thinking like a 19 year old and there is a woman next to me within 3 feet or less on 60 day out at sea period. No way.SCPO Ysmael RamosWed, 16 Aug 2017 22:58:41 -04002017-08-16T22:58:41-04:00Response by PO1 Tony Holland made Aug 17 at 2017 5:46 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I question the wisdom of putting all members of a Division or Department in the same berthing compartment. One well aimed torpedo or bomb could take out critical personnel in one fell swoop.PO1 Tony HollandThu, 17 Aug 2017 05:46:01 -04002017-08-17T05:46:01-04:002014-06-30T14:32:40-04:00