Should there be more pay for the lateral promotion ranks I.e. SPC/CPL, MSG/1SG and SGM/CSM?

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:22:34 -0400

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2020 10:27 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:27:15 -0400

Interesting proposal. I can certainly see some merit in that idea.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Aug 25 at 2020 10:44 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:44:40 -0400

The only one that is a lateral promotion is the SGM to CSM, they are on DA orders. For them I can see a difference in pay. For the temporary laterals, CPL and 1SG, I can see a specialty pay. None however should be permanent as now, CSMs can be reverted to SGM (by DA), and CPL, 1SG is simply a local decision.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Aug 25 at 2020 11:11 AM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:11:54 -0400

I say drop all NCO rank pays by a small amount - say $50 - and then create a slightly higher - say $75 - special pay like "command pat" or something similar. CPLs and 1SGs make more than SPCs and MSGs now (unless the MSG is a Det SGT, which is really a 1SG without the title), Team Leaders make more thannon-leading SGTs, PSGs and Staff NCOICs make more than SFCs hiding out in a G3, etc.
Provides incentive to go take those more demanding roles. I can't count the number of times I watched SFCs turn down challenging roles with 3-4 years left until retirement. They no longer wanted or considered promotion and therefore didn't eant the added burden. Even seen SFCs on staff or in orderly rooms while SSGs are filling PSG slots.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2020 11:57 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:57:19 -0400

If there is no difference in pay for a O3 or O5 between a command position and a staff position, why would there be one for an E8 or E9?

Response by SFC Marc W. made Aug 25 at 2020 12:24 PM

SFC Marc W. — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:24:38 -0400

I think there should be. As well I think there should be a different in officer pay, call it command pay.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2020 12:26 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:26:19 -0400

For SPC to CPL, absolutely! That has got to be one of the worst jobs in the Army. SGTs and above treat them like garbage and pass off all the worst duties to them. At the same time the junior enlisted barely even care consider CPL a higher rank.

Pay them!!!

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Aug 25 at 2020 12:31 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:31:19 -0400

Must be an Army thing. WTH is a lateral promotion? Pay grade says it all, other Thant that it’s positional authority.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2020 3:03 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:03:38 -0400

The Navy has it set up as SDAP - Special Duty Assignment Pay. Certain NECs get a bonus based on the billet and has to be recertified by the command each year. Most common is for the Command Master Chief / Chief of the Boat / or Command Senior Chief.

Certain Officer jobs also come with a bonus, but it varies based on your community (aviation / surface / specwar, etc).

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Aug 25 at 2020 3:23 PM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:23:09 -0400

NO. Does the military need to pay our E7-E9s more absolutely. Does the Army need to treat our E7-E9s as well as the Navy, absolutely.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2020 4:17 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 16:17:09 -0400

I vote yes... maybe bias though..LOL. But as a CPL I do all the work of the SGT to include appraisals, corrective actions, team Lead a fire team and conduct NCO training time for my guys, run lanes...etc. But I look at it as time spent learning my skills before taking my stripes, so it does not bother me. I know come end of November when I finish BLC, I will get my stripes and my raise. All part of the process of growth and development.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2021 2:22 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 14:22:11 -0400

I think they should receive a special duty pay based on their lateral or position.
- CPL
- 1SG
- Battalion CSM, Regimental CSM, Brigade CSM, Division CSM, Task Force CSM etc.