SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member 1324629 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Such as a ribbon on Dress Uniform 2016-02-23T13:04:33-05:00 SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member 1324629

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Such as a ribbon on Dress Uniform

2016-02-23T13:04:33-05:00 2016-02-23T13:04:33-05:00 LTC Kevin B. 1324637

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s necessary. Your Good Conduct Medal already serves that purpose.

2016-02-23T13:06:30-05:00 2016-02-23T13:06:30-05:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 1324642

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>We don&#39;t need that discriminator. Let all officers be graded on performance.

2016-02-23T13:07:18-05:00 2016-02-23T13:07:18-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 1324651

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Really? Just like the prior service Marines want to be recognized. Just make your choices and be proud of your current status. Be competent and know your job. Then you don't have to prove anything to anyone. They will know without a shiny pin on your uniform.

2016-02-23T13:09:41-05:00 2016-02-23T13:09:41-05:00 MAJ Javier Rivera 1324662

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not at all! For the most part the Good Conduct Medal ( with knots) and the NCOPD Ribbon with numbers as they might apply suffice for that purpose. Only a few instance a prior service officer wouldn't have any of the aforementioned decorations and this few are Soldiers who contract under an OCS option. In other words they go from Basic Training to OCS without any time serving as junior enlisted soldiers but the few weeks in transit.

2016-02-23T13:14:23-05:00 2016-02-23T13:14:23-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 1324664

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>From my limited point of view, my opinion is this: SOME NCOs view SOME officers as inexperienced, and a designator confirming that an officer has experience might help ease the process of a new officer coming into a unit. With that being said, the discrimination shouldn't exist to begin with, and it also would single out the officers who might have great potential/leadership skills with no prior enlisted experience.

2016-02-23T13:14:29-05:00 2016-02-23T13:14:29-05:00 Capt Jeff S. 1324671

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;m prior enlisted... and &quot;No, you don&#39;t need that.&quot; If you have to depend on bling to get people to respect you, you aren&#39;t worth your salt. The GCM on your chest should tell everyone that you were prior enlisted.

2016-02-23T13:16:37-05:00 2016-02-23T13:16:37-05:00 SFC Michael Hasbun 1324715

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Other than the Good Conduct Medal?

2016-02-23T13:26:49-05:00 2016-02-23T13:26:49-05:00 COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM 1324727

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A few thoughts/questions regarding if there should be prior enlisted insignia for commissioned officers:<br />- What problem are we trying to solve here?<br />- How would making a prior enlisted insignia for commissioned officers solve that problem?<br />- Is this a solution looking for a problem?

2016-02-23T13:28:26-05:00 2016-02-23T13:28:26-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 1324736

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There are enough ribbons for the Army.

2016-02-23T13:29:39-05:00 2016-02-23T13:29:39-05:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 1324756

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I for one do not need any more chest candy - and I&#39;m not a big advocate of distinguishing the officer corps in such a manner. Leaders will distinguish themselves - regardless of their past experience.

2016-02-23T13:32:55-05:00 2016-02-23T13:32:55-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 1324792

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Most people figure out that I&#39;m prior service after talking to me for 5 minutes. A ribbon is just one more thing I have to buy and adjust on my uniform. There&#39;s also an identifier on my ORB.

2016-02-23T13:42:23-05:00 2016-02-23T13:42:23-05:00 CPT Aaron Kletzing 1324818

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>many times i've been able to tell if the officer was prior enlisted -- for example, seeing a Good Conduct Medal or a marksmanship badge

2016-02-23T13:46:19-05:00 2016-02-23T13:46:19-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 1324822

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you know what you are looking for you can tell. I have an NCOPD ribbon and an Army good conduct medal. It would reflect that I was an NCO. But the maturity of the person is what really should show more than anything else.

2016-02-23T13:47:02-05:00 2016-02-23T13:47:02-05:00 Capt Private RallyPoint Member 1324852

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As stated there is already one. As Col Potter in MASH said.<br /><br />See that that is the good conduct medal. Officers don&#39;t get that only enlisted do. <br /><br />In OTS I had an upperclassman say he was going to write me up because I had the AF good conduct ribbon with an oak leaf. He claimed that was not possible. I told him to write away because I would produce orders to his superiors.

2016-02-23T13:53:46-05:00 2016-02-23T13:53:46-05:00 SSG Don Maggart 1324861

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No the Prior enlisted have passed on , But they carry on the knowledge learned ...MilitantCrip

2016-02-23T13:55:50-05:00 2016-02-23T13:55:50-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 1325047

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No, I don't think it's necessary. I'm a former NCO who may be heading back into the Army as an officer in the fall. I already have the pay bump and ribbon rack to show my PS. I can see why you may ask this though. Having something like this could serve to show that you have some experience and that you're not a "fresh" LT. I know some people think former enlisted make the best officers, but I don't think this is necessarily true. I spent a lot of time in the TOC working closely with officers and I think being enlisted (even as an NCO) is requires an entirely different (not necessarily better) skill set and often a different management approach. I think someone who was a garbage soldier while enlisted will continue to be garbage if they somehow get a commission. Come to think of it the best and worst commanders I ever had were both former enlisted.

2016-02-23T14:36:59-05:00 2016-02-23T14:36:59-05:00 CW3 Private RallyPoint Member 1325092

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I already have an insignia that shows I was prior enlisted. It's a silver bar with two square dots in the center of it...hopefully in five months I'll get to add another one.

2016-02-23T14:54:21-05:00 2016-02-23T14:54:21-05:00 Capt Walter Miller 1325095

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No. Not necessary. Most PS officers have ribbons so that anyone can tell at a glance they are former enlisted any way.

2016-02-23T14:55:39-05:00 2016-02-23T14:55:39-05:00 LTC Paul Labrador 1325226

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Just because you were enlisted prior to commissioning doesn&#39;t mean you are going to be successful as an officer. And quite frankly, no one is really going to care much past 1LT, as the experience/maturity gap tends to even out at CPT. And as other have said, in full dress, your GCM and other prior service awards and badges are going to stand you out (at least initially) among non-prior service peers.

2016-02-23T15:29:55-05:00 2016-02-23T15:29:55-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 1325229

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You mean like wearing their last enlisted rank on their collars with the officer velcro rank on the chest?

2016-02-23T15:30:39-05:00 2016-02-23T15:30:39-05:00 SGT Jerrold Pesz 1325233

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Is there anything that somebody doesn't want a medal for?

2016-02-23T15:31:28-05:00 2016-02-23T15:31:28-05:00 Sgt Tom Cunnally 1325487

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Officers who were enlisted often wear their good conduct ribbon if they were served for 3 years as an enlisted ..

2016-02-23T16:42:22-05:00 2016-02-23T16:42:22-05:00 LTC Ed Ross 1325583

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There is one, it's called the Good Conduct medal. They aren't given to officers.

2016-02-23T17:17:32-05:00 2016-02-23T17:17:32-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 1325964

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have thousands (I think), they are called Gray Hairs.

2016-02-23T19:03:00-05:00 2016-02-23T19:03:00-05:00 MAJ Philip Crabtree 1326460

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have one. It's called the NCO Professional Development Ribbon.

2016-02-23T22:05:57-05:00 2016-02-23T22:05:57-05:00 COL Charles Williams 1326662

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>NOOOOO. There already is... I have a Good Conduct Medal, and a NCOES ribbon.

2016-02-23T23:24:48-05:00 2016-02-23T23:24:48-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 1326930

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'd like to "respond to the responses," if you will, first. BLUF: Not all prior enlisted have a GCM, through no fault of their own. As many of my comments on RP show, I often point out subtle difference between the active Services, and the Guard and Reserve to keep things in perspective. Only reserve component soldiers who have deployed, or been active duty at some point, will have a GCM. The Army Reserve Component Achievement Medal is supposed to be awarded to those soldiers who have never been active in lieu of a GCM. Unfortunately, many reserve component units don't keep up with "automatic awards." Better things to do in the limited time afforded to them.<br /><br />Now, to the meat and potatoes. What purpose does such indication serve? I think the subtle inference here is that officers who have been enlisted are by nature better. Why else should they need such recognition? They have more experience, yes. VALUABLE experience I agree. However, I'd like to draw attention to the fact that it IS recognized in their PAY GRADE. O-1E, etc. They are also paid slightly more than their peers at the beginning of their careers. This is commensurate with any civilian job rewarding an employee with more experience a higher rate of pay--or a higher position based on skill set in the cases of Doctors, Lawyers, etc. The experience that an O-1E has will show, and his soldiers will respect him for his knowledge, experience, and occasional humility. What doesn't matter, is where the experience came from.<br /><br />The problem with the line of thought that officers who have enlisted experience are better than those who haven't, is that it degrades the very nature of being an officer. It puts enlisted experience on a pedestal, and creates a breakdown in discipline. Officers are Officers....end of story. No matter what kind of person they are, or what their education or experience says about them, the military has placed a trust in them to lead enlisted soldiers and the officers under their command. "A Commanding Officer is a mighty and terrible thing, a man to be feared and respected." --Chief, U-571. Putting their prior experience out for the world to see, undermines the principles that they are IN CHARGE, and WHAT THEY SAY GOES (within the limits of UCMJ, Geneva and Hague Conventions, yada yada).<br /><br />It doesn't matter where they have been. What matters is where they have been placed.

2016-02-24T03:24:19-05:00 2016-02-24T03:24:19-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 1327054

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>God no, theres enough bias against us already from the "pure" officers. Yes I sound cynical, probably due to my current situation.

2016-02-24T06:55:31-05:00 2016-02-24T06:55:31-05:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 1327158

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I agree with the comments posted. Prior enlisted service doesn't equal success as an officer. The two roles are very different. As for the ribbon, they are called the good conduct medal or NCOPD Ribbons, officer don't earn either one. If you are prior enlisted and didn't earn a GCM or NCOPD ribbon, I wouldn't consider you prior enlisted.

2016-02-24T08:09:13-05:00 2016-02-24T08:09:13-05:00 SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member 1327352

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sure it's called a good conduct medal. Anyway regardless of whether they where in prior or not they are now the rank they have. They have chosen to join that set of ranks. If a person was enlisted for a long period of time people will know based of the service stripes on the dress uniform. That is if you are in the army.

2016-02-24T09:28:57-05:00 2016-02-24T09:28:57-05:00 LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow 1327804

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Most prior enlisted have a GCM. That tells the whole story. In my case, I wasn't enlisted long enough, but that's the exception rather than the rule...

2016-02-24T11:44:35-05:00 2016-02-24T11:44:35-05:00 MAJ Ronnie Reams 1327950

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Should be could not care less. There is one now, it is called the CGM.

2016-02-24T12:27:47-05:00 2016-02-24T12:27:47-05:00 LT Private RallyPoint Member 1329453

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There already is! The good conduct medal

2016-02-24T21:27:48-05:00 2016-02-24T21:27:48-05:00 BG Mike Bridges 1329794

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My Honorable Discharge as Sergeant is one of my most prized military documents. Issued upon discharge and commissioning.

2016-02-25T00:34:22-05:00 2016-02-25T00:34:22-05:00 BG Mike Bridges 1329795

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My Honorable Discharge as Sergeant is sufficient, and one of my most prized Service possessions.

2016-02-25T00:35:32-05:00 2016-02-25T00:35:32-05:00 SP5 Joel O'Brien 1330667

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Wouldn't this be like wearing your "Tenderfoot" badge along side of your "Eagle Scout" award?

2016-02-25T11:42:00-05:00 2016-02-25T11:42:00-05:00 TSgt Private RallyPoint Member 1331207

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>AF gives a device for the basic training ribbon, but the Good Conduct Medal should work

2016-02-25T14:01:21-05:00 2016-02-25T14:01:21-05:00 MAJ Will Sullivan 1333775

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Being prior enlisted I would have to say no. Like others have said before me the GCMs serve that purpose.

2016-02-26T11:27:39-05:00 2016-02-26T11:27:39-05:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 1334277

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you were the enlisted Soldier that you "should" have been. It will show through in your everyday actions. In uniform or not you can almost immediately identify if an officer has any significant prior service. <br />Not to mention, Commissioned Officers already have enough "good ole boy" clubs. We do not need any more.

2016-02-26T13:46:57-05:00 2016-02-26T13:46:57-05:00 CSM Charles Hayden 1335248

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There is, it is a Good Conduct Ribbon.

2016-02-26T19:58:33-05:00 2016-02-26T19:58:33-05:00 LTC Stephen C. 1858782

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Of course not, <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="755696" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/755696-17c-cyber-operations-specialist-335th-sig-cmd-usarc">SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member</a>.

2016-09-02T17:44:30-04:00 2016-09-02T17:44:30-04:00 LCDR Private RallyPoint Member 2018640

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Agree with LCDR Matlow. Any officer who came up through enlisted ranks should have at least one Good Conduct Medal.

2016-10-27T20:02:38-04:00 2016-10-27T20:02:38-04:00 LCDR Private RallyPoint Member 2188747

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well, as a former enlisted member, I wore a Good Conduct ribbon with the rest of my awards. This fairly well addresses THAT situation. I see no need for an additional enlisted insignia.

2016-12-25T21:37:55-05:00 2016-12-25T21:37:55-05:00 Maj Marty Hogan 2188941

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I wear it in my heart and how I now serve. No ribbon needed thanks. 27 years enlisted by the way.

2016-12-25T23:59:36-05:00 2016-12-25T23:59:36-05:00 SFC George Smith 2188946

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Prior Enlisted Members will still ware all the ribbons they received when they are commissioned... including leadership ribbons...<br /> Why for they need a special Ribbon the say they were prior enlisted...

2016-12-26T00:03:23-05:00 2016-12-26T00:03:23-05:00 Capt Tom Brown 2189417

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was always proud to wear my MC Good Conduct ribbon on uniforms. I don&#39;t think however there should be another special ribbon or award for prior enlisted service. If a person is prior enlisted the word gets around soon enough, and you will be judged in that light, without flashing a special ribbon. IMO

2016-12-26T08:46:46-05:00 2016-12-26T08:46:46-05:00 PO1 Joseph Glennon 2367556

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When you look at an officer&#39;s graffiti board, if he was enlisted for any length of time, he&#39;ll already have a few ribbons that officers don&#39;t get, including the warfare pins that most mustangs don&#39;t re-qualify for, just to get the gold version.

2017-02-23T21:39:04-05:00 2017-02-23T21:39:04-05:00 LTC Jason Mackay 2493121

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you have the NCO professional development ribbon or a Good Conduct Medal, that lets everyone know that.

2017-04-13T22:00:46-04:00 2017-04-13T22:00:46-04:00 SGM Mikel Dawson 2493355

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Check out the fruit salad, that should tell you about the officer&#39;s career.

2017-04-14T01:31:37-04:00 2017-04-14T01:31:37-04:00 LCDR Private RallyPoint Member 2531458

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As Col Williams wrote, &quot;there already is......&quot; I also have a Good Conduct Medal.

2017-04-28T17:51:31-04:00 2017-04-28T17:51:31-04:00 Arsenio Ibay 2874821

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There are already some pretty evident tells - such as a permanent award of the drill instructor badge.

2017-08-28T19:14:57-04:00 2017-08-28T19:14:57-04:00 LCDR Private RallyPoint Member 2875095

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This retired officer had a Good Conduct Ribbon proudly worn on his chest with other awards. Only Enlisted Personnel are awarded this.

2017-08-28T20:48:31-04:00 2017-08-28T20:48:31-04:00 MAJ Richard Cheek 3125254

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not really your good conduct medal says it. As a LT I had a good conduct medal 4th award and a drill sgt badge it was pretty obvious.

2017-11-27T21:13:51-05:00 2017-11-27T21:13:51-05:00 PO1 Barbara Matthews 3257586

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>They do have a Good Conduct Ribbon. Anyone who has 4 years of good conduct as an enlisted person has one. A good Mustang Officer will have one of those.

2018-01-14T19:38:13-05:00 2018-01-14T19:38:13-05:00 PO1 Barbara Matthews 3257701

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It&#39;s called a Good Conduct Ribbon

2018-01-14T20:57:35-05:00 2018-01-14T20:57:35-05:00 LTC Stephan Porter 3969215

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I always have my stripes on me, but there should not e a separate insignia.

2018-09-16T15:55:59-04:00 2018-09-16T15:55:59-04:00 LT Ed Skiba 4107671

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There is...GCM.

2018-11-07T11:45:42-05:00 2018-11-07T11:45:42-05:00 MSG David Lambert 4214003

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It’s called a Good Conduct Medal

2018-12-16T22:24:14-05:00 2018-12-16T22:24:14-05:00 LTC Charles T Dalbec 4238563

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No reason for that

2018-12-27T11:28:15-05:00 2018-12-27T11:28:15-05:00 LT Brad McInnis 4712259

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No need. In my case, I had an Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist (ESWS) pin.

2019-06-10T18:07:52-04:00 2019-06-10T18:07:52-04:00 LT Ed Skiba 4926106

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>How about 3 GCMs?

2019-08-17T14:48:00-04:00 2019-08-17T14:48:00-04:00 Capt Daniel Goodman 5142530

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Ya know, that&#39;s a really interesting question, honest...I know if one got a Good Conduct ribbon or medal, that&#39;s obviously still allowed to be worn, of course, for warrants and/or commissioned who&#39;d been prior enlisted...one guy, as I&#39;ve said before, whom I&#39;d chatted with when I was at USAF OTS actually had Navy enlisted sub dolphins on his USAF blues, the only time I&#39;d ever seen that (just an aside)...honestly, though, that was a really thought-provoking question, for real, kudos for that one, really neato one there....

2019-10-18T18:08:54-04:00 2019-10-18T18:08:54-04:00 MAJ Matthew Arnold 5142636

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No, you walk the walk and everybody knows.

2019-10-18T18:45:38-04:00 2019-10-18T18:45:38-04:00 SGT(P) Sharon Pasowicz 5149529

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>They should be proud of their service as enlisted and let it be known they were at one time enlisted.

2019-10-20T22:38:33-04:00 2019-10-20T22:38:33-04:00 CPT Lawrence Cichelli 6301204

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The newly commisioned officer is in a different place. That person should use the enlisted experience and be enhanced by it. Also O1E-O-3E are on special pay scale for that as well. That IMHO is the compensation.

2020-09-11T13:49:07-04:00 2020-09-11T13:49:07-04:00 LCDR Robert Turner 6303228

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My good conduct medals were my “mustang” badge of honor.

2020-09-12T08:02:14-04:00 2020-09-12T08:02:14-04:00 MAJ Steve Daugherty 6593248

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There already is. Commissioned officers don’t get Good Conduct medals

2020-12-19T15:10:52-05:00 2020-12-19T15:10:52-05:00 CW3 Michael Clifford 6783808

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Your service stripes and good conduct medal(s) speak for themselves.

2021-02-28T14:18:45-05:00 2021-02-28T14:18:45-05:00 Lt Col Jim Coe 6784113

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Many prior enlisted officers have awards that aren’t available to officers such as a good conduct medal.

2021-02-28T16:37:54-05:00 2021-02-28T16:37:54-05:00 SrA John Monette 6923391

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>no. the wisdom they show at the lower officer ranks usually gives them away

2021-04-23T12:51:19-04:00 2021-04-23T12:51:19-04:00 MSgt Steve Sweeney 6923591

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There already is. It is called &quot;swagger&quot;. Can see it from a mile away.

2021-04-23T14:29:47-04:00 2021-04-23T14:29:47-04:00 PO1 Mike Meehan 6923646

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You really don&#39;t need a &quot;special&quot; insignia, most prior enlisted who get commissioned usually have a telltale in their ribbon rack, a Good Conduct Medal, and will usually have more ribbons at the grade of ENS/2Lt than the direct commission types.

2021-04-23T14:55:19-04:00 2021-04-23T14:55:19-04:00 2016-02-23T13:04:33-05:00