Should veterans and retirees be "Triple Dipping?"

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:02:26 -0400

We hear about how all these Vets are triple dipping, but I don't think people are educated on how hard it actually is to do this, and how very small of a percentage of people can qualify to do this.

You have to meet all of these requirements: Serve over 20 years, receive a 50% or more VA Rating, be deemed unemployable or 100% disabled by the VA, AND qualify for SSI benefits.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 12:05 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:05:33 -0400

For those who legitimately meet all of the requirements, you'd have to have a pretty pain-filled and miserable existence. If you legitimately qualify, you probably need that money.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 12:18 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:18:02 -0400

It depends. Sleep apnea gets you 50%. What other 'service related' injuries also can stack it up to 100%.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Mar 23 at 2016 12:22 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:22:39 -0400

Is it over 20 years? I know SM's who went IDES, are medically retired with ID card, 100% disabled, get CRSC, and get SSDI. My question would be P&T. Does that play a factor?

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Mar 23 at 2016 12:23 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:23:23 -0400

If an individual meets the requirements I have no issue with them "triple-dipping", they have served their time, because of this service they have been injured or suffered of something that leads them to not be able to be employable, no issue at all on my part.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Mar 23 at 2016 12:25 PM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:25:58 -0400

I'm rated at 40%. I start drawing my pension I loose my 40%. Every day I get home from work my back is killing me. Part of my right foot is numb and some days part of my left as well. On days like this, I drink at least 3 beers, then take 3 codine pills, go to bed with a hot pad on the back with my legs propped up. I lay like this for about 3 hrs to let my muscles relax. I use to sleep on my side, but it was screwed up in Iraq as well, so no more. After what little sleep I get I do manage to get my pants on the next morning. The pain has subsided but I still know I got a back.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who can get all they can get from Uncle Sam for what we went through - good going.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Mar 23 at 2016 1:14 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 13:14:21 -0400

If you meet the requirements for what you are referring to as triple dipping, in all probability, it won't be for long. If you are legally qualified for all benefits, that is the way it is. If you scam the system, I hope you rot in Hell.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 1:45 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 13:45:45 -0400

If the federal government is not smart enough to fix these kinds of loopholes that it created, go for it, I sure the Hell did!!!

Response by PO1 Brian Austin made Mar 23 at 2016 2:02 PM

PO1 Brian Austin — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 14:02:55 -0400

If you legitimately meet the qualifications then you probably more than deserve it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 3:15 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 15:15:09 -0400

People look at this as if the cost of a person pulling the "triple dip" is an act of gettin one over on the man. Instead it's actually just a person getting paid what they're owed

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Mar 23 at 2016 3:23 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 15:23:32 -0400

I get all three and I feel no remorse, just wish more would qualify for it. One is for longevity in service. One is for becoming broke dick in the service. One is for losing significant earnings power. It makes sense to me. If your VA % is high enough, ask to see if you can get care giver funds. You might be able to quadruple dip. Caregiver funds are paid to spouses who take care of their veteran spouse. My wife gets $1000 a month to take care of me.

My heart goes out to those who are close to retirement but cant hit the finish line, and those who are thrown into a tough financial positions.

I am very grateful that I don't have to work. I have good and bad days. My memory sucks, and sometimes my linear thinking sucks. I feel so lucky.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 3:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 15:40:25 -0400

It's called CRDP

Response by SN Greg Wright made Mar 23 at 2016 5:24 PM

SN Greg Wright — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 17:24:14 -0400

A couple of points: SSI is income-dependent. It'd be impossible for someone getting a full pension AND VA pension to get SSI -- they'd make too much. I think you mean SSDI, which is NOT income-dependent. It is based upon your earnings over a specific period of time. Which brings me to my next point: you PAY for SSDI insurance with your taxes. Therefore, if you wind up qualifying for it, you deserve it. If you did your 20 years, you deserve your retirement. If you were injured, you deserve that. So no one one is 'getting over on the man'. It's all stuff you've EARNED.

Response by SPC James Dollins made Mar 23 at 2016 7:51 PM

SPC James Dollins — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:51:44 -0400

Right now between my VA & SSDI I make more than I did when I was in. I would be triple dipping had I made 20. I was a little over half way there.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Mar 23 at 2016 8:09 PM

CAPT Kevin B. — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 20:09:32 -0400

I guess I'm a triple dipper but invested my life (work) into it and on the side got beat up for it. My case is pretty common. I worked an active/reserve career with a Civil Service career during the reserve piece and afterwards when I hung up the uniform. The VA decided I was beat up enough to get a monetary percentage. So I'd submit that you earned these cash streams. You can maximize these streams by buying Civil Service retirement credit for active time. You can also dump money every payday into TSP. So I guess I'm a quadruple dipper. BTW there's a good bail out point on TSP transfer to commercial management. Opps, forgot Social Security because I won't want to start that for a while. That's 5-way dipping????

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 9:47 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 21:47:04 -0400

If they qualify, they earned it by sacrificing their body. I have no problem with it.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Mar 23 at 2016 10:59 PM

COL Charles Williams — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:59:48 -0400

I am not sure why this is a concern? I am retired after 33 years, 100% VA disabled, and I work in a second career full time... Am I cheating the system?

Response by SGT Just Hill made Mar 24 at 2016 1:22 PM

SGT Just Hill — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 13:22:56 -0400

This is so dumb, there are qualifications for those benefits. If someone meets them, why wouldn't they collect them? Stay in your lane

Response by CPO Randy McLaughlin made Mar 24 at 2016 2:58 PM

CPO Randy McLaughlin — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 14:58:35 -0400

I don't meet all those requirements. I meet some of them, and receive concurrent retirement and disability compensation. The total amount is only slightly more than my pension alone. The biggest difference is, the portion that is disability is not taxed. I do not receive SSI. For those who truly meet all the requirements, you're welcome to what you receive, fir you must be in a world of pain.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2016 3:04 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:04:44 -0400

People with such qualifications are genuinely suffering and being service connected by law they are entitled to such "triple dipping". As for SSI that's basically next to impossible to get unless you are basically 100% disabled on VA disability scale. The problem is a lot of people view "triple dippers" as leeches and scammers, not realizing what kind of flaming hoops you are supposed to jump though and VA basically at every point tries to down play your disability rating to rate it minimum as possible. You might laugh at that PTSD rating of 50% until that person commits suicide one day because of it or simply goes awake several nights and unable to work being seriously effed up in the head or those head injuries that someone received not realizing that they might suffer from migraines on daily basis, but only being rated at 10% of what should be at least 90% (you can't work since you are in constant pain but because you can still walk and talk coherently you can't get it any higher). For that in Vietnam era psychologists used to recommend to "take a day off and go get a beer at your local joint" to get the "steam off".

Response by SPC David S. made Mar 24 at 2016 5:44 PM

SPC David S. — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 17:44:59 -0400

I get my full retirement, most of which is received as disability, and I get social security. I can also get a job, which I have, because I was only rated at 70 percent originally.

Response by SrA Paul Pfeil made Mar 24 at 2016 6:02 PM

SrA Paul Pfeil — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 18:02:10 -0400

I wish.

Response by SFC Gary (Bigsarge) Portier USARMY RET. made Mar 24 at 2016 8:39 PM

SFC Gary (Bigsarge) Portier USARMY RET. — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 20:39:33 -0400

Getting all the Dips is not as Easy as it sounds. A lot of it is Luck. I have many of the Same issues all people who get paid disabilities and I do not get paid for them. If you were Active Duty and went to Sick call for Everything you have a very good chance of being given a % for everything you have. If you are a Reservist and Deployed for 1 Day overseas and have a Record of everything you should be Ok. If a Reservist and you go to VA and tell them you have 30 years of Service but 4 of those were Active the VA will only Credit you with 4 years of Service. They can careless about your Reserve Time. Unless your Injuries were during a Deployment on Active Orders VA could CareLess. You Must Get an LOD of All injuries from your Reserve Unit, again which VA could care less about and you may have to fight with at appeal. I just happen to be a Military Tech/ Dual Status, I was Retired through PEB with 30 years, 11 mo 28 days give or take one week 2014. So I was able to Draw a % Full Retirement @ 53, didn't have to wait till 60 as E-7. Then Two weeks later My Civil Service Position Retired Me Under Disability @ 53 as WL09 with 29 years, 11 mo, 28 days give or take, That's 2 Government Retirements. Then Applied for VA after the Army said all my Disabilities was Caused by Service, VA Denied All. I am still Fighting, was told if I had Deployed I would have been Given all with no argument. Since then I applied for SSDI and have been Approved. Later VA Gave me 10% for something Else which cut my Retirement by 10% but fight goes on.

Now I need Upper Back Surgery and Lower Back Surgery all excepted by the Army Yet VA will do the Surgeries but will not Compensate. Have had Surgery on Both Feet non-Va, Nerve Left Arm affecting Left Hand through Elbow VA, Right Hand from small finger tip to Wrist, Repaired Cut Tendons, Broken bone and Carpal Tunnel, 0%.

Now and Later with TSP added and SSI replacing SSDI.
Army Retirement
Civil Service Retirement
SSDI/SS
VA
TSP

Response by 1SG Scott Buchanan made Mar 24 at 2016 9:12 PM

1SG Scott Buchanan — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 21:12:50 -0400

I am a former VSO; the guys that are triple dipping are not living lives of luxury. They are generally in pain, their lives are shortened,and their families suffer. Hardly a scam...

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Mar 25 at 2016 1:58 PM

MSgt Michael Smith — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 13:58:38 -0400

Should not even be a question. If you qualify for the the benefits, you are entitled to them. Qualifications exist for a reason, as do those benefits. Sorry I don't mean to be angry, but I hate it when benefits are questioned as if vets and retirees are somehow getting too much. You hear it all the time from people on the Hill, think tanks and such.

Response by SSG John Jensen made Mar 25 at 2016 3:58 PM

SSG John Jensen — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 15:58:54 -0400

well, theres serving active for a term or two, then switching to reserve or guard to retirement, and getting a civil service job (city, county, state, federal, or other job that counts your active time for retirement), and your active duty time counts toward your reserve retirement AND your civilian retirement.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Mar 25 at 2016 7:35 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 19:35:58 -0400

Service members are not the only ones who can do this. If a civilian works for more than one company long enough they can earn a pension or retirement at some rate or level and move on to another. Once they move on they can start all over again. If you earn your "dip" for meeting a set requirement or standard then it is yours to keep.

Response by SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD made Mar 26 at 2016 12:18 AM

SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 00:18:13 -0400

Okay by me.

Response by SPC Gabriel Pedraza made Mar 26 at 2016 3:56 PM

SPC Gabriel Pedraza — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 15:56:27 -0400

Only 3% voluntarily serve to protect this country. We do it knowing that we know we will put our bodies through hell and back and again just for seconds! IMO they pay them fucksticks in the house and Senate more money to fuck over the troops and the American people so damn right if you qualify take that ish!

Response by SMSgt William Hassiepen made Mar 26 at 2016 4:15 PM

SMSgt William Hassiepen — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:15:57 -0400

Better it go to Vets than illegals

Response by MSG(P) Roger Billings made Mar 26 at 2016 4:27 PM

MSG(P) Roger Billings — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:27:33 -0400

It is not triple dipping if you get your pension plus disability and qualify for ssi you earned it. I did 40 yes. I get all right now only 10% from Va but it will be going up

Response by SPC Jessie Ferruolo made Mar 26 at 2016 4:59 PM

SPC Jessie Ferruolo — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:59:55 -0400

I honestly tried to get ebt. I just retired Nov 11 (medical after 7 years). I guess with my VA and my 25 hour a week job delivering pizzas for 8.05 an hour is enough... I can't take care of myself... but the help with the food would have made things so much better..

Response by SGT Leon Brimm made Mar 26 at 2016 5:39 PM

SGT Leon Brimm — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:39:50 -0400

When my dad retired from his job, the company was bought by another company, so he had enough time to retire with company 1, worked another 20 retired with co 2, came down with COPD and retired outright, drew two retirements and his SS benefits. I don't have a problem with it, for soldiers to do the same..if the benefits were good enough folks would not have to triple dip.

Response by SGT Michael Epstein made Mar 26 at 2016 7:06 PM

SGT Michael Epstein — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 19:06:13 -0400

I have steadily declined since ETS 12 Aug 91. I have used the VA for medical since then and started at 10%, as my issues have become chronic, and as the VA has deemed those issues Service Connected I became 100% SC Permanent and Total in 2013. I also had a big seizure in August 2013 and I have not worked since then, Met Life Disability is the Long Term Disability company Verizon uses and they accepted me until the day before my 65th birthday as fully disabled from my job and SSDI has also accepted me as fully disabled. I EARNED the VA disability in Service and War, I have no idea why some guys made it through unscathed and I am in the condition I am in, nor do I question another person's disabilities.... we cannot look into a person and feel how badly they are doing so we have no choice but to believe the Doctors. VA offices do not just hand out ratings and even though I see a lot of posts about "How should I act at the C&P" I always give the same advice, just tell the Doctor how your condition affects your life NOW. Met Life Disability I have for Long Term Disability, it was a paid insurance by Verizon and it is not easy passing their PAID BY THEM Doctors to accept your disability, they err on the side of the company and not you. For SSDI I was denied until I had an appeal in front of a Judge with a Doctor of Work Studies present. As I was going through all my ailments and explaining how I am housebound due to seizures I had a seizure in front of the Judge. My point is all three income streams were either paid into by me or are designed to compensate me for Injuries or Illness caused by service...... A retiree EARNED his retirement, it is his bad luck he has ailments that are now being compensated, and SSDI/SS is paid into for all the time you worked and is YOUR money..... I see nothing wrong with this, and those that think people are faking it because they might have a good day and enjoy themselves every now and then, and that is when you catch them out and about, you need to check yourself as you do not have a clue what that person is living with. So says Sgt Epstein

Response by SFC Joe Ping made Mar 26 at 2016 8:15 PM

SFC Joe Ping — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 20:15:49 -0400

Why not. Better a disabled retired vet or a vet than a kid out of high school who claims anxiety and can't work and gets SSI and welfare and food stamps

Response by PO2 Kevin Strafalace made Mar 26 at 2016 9:34 PM

PO2 Kevin Strafalace — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:34:33 -0400

The way I see it if you sustained injuries that extensive during your 20 years of service that you are 100% disabled and meet all those qualifications then you deserve to be taken care of. Some people aren't lucky enough to walk away from active duty as healthy as I did

Response by SSG Willie Means made Mar 26 at 2016 9:48 PM

SSG Willie Means — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:48:47 -0400

When I got out in 1985 I recall the lady at the Physical Place stamping my paperwork: No Permanent Profiles, No Reason for Disability. I asked why did she do that because I had a permanent profile on my right knee and lower back since knee surgery in May 1981. I was told it was not in my records and I needed to have the Veterans Administration (VA) take care of it. When I reported to the VA I was told I should had made the Army take care of it before I got out. Right there I realized I had been screwed! I asked about my Medical Board and was told I should've had the Army take care of that also. I have some 'STUFF' wrong with me today that it would had taken a Medical Board to listen to and make a determination on my Medical Conditions. There is a man named Douglas at the Decatur, Georgia Facility who seem to take special interest in denying my claims for disability. I had a doctor at Tuskegee began to curse and say nasty things under his breath all because I didn't have my x-rays when I reported to him. I explained why I didn't have the x-rays like the technician told me to explain but that didn't help. I was only getting 10% disability at the time and after that doctor visit, the VA took the 10%. I did three years as a Fire Direction Specialist (FDC 13E 20) in Artillery before doing five years as a Photojournalist in Public Affairs (71Q 30). Many of my Physical Injuries came during my time in Artillery. It was as a Photojournalist in Public Affairs in Korea where I picked up some Medical and Mental problems. I get 40% and it took several letters to various people to get the VA to bring me to 40% and that's still not correct. I was told had I returned home to Chicago I would had been rated 100% with no problem. Now I hear the VA wants to get rid of the very few Medical Boards they still hold. It was a CW1 who refused to let me see a Specialist at the Hospital where I was stationed. This 'CRAP' about Double or Triple Dipping is a bunch of BULLSHIT! I always see where some Officer make statements trying to take away Benefits. I don't like talking Religion or Politics. However, so many low-rate Mr. Obama and want to lay so much at his feet and it should simply be placed at the feet of the Republican Party since neither Bush is around anymore. Had a Democrat not been elected in 2008 Our Military would be fighting in more places along with where they're at now. They put plans in order to began reducing the Forces but still had Our People fighting. I did a "Letter'-to the -Editor when I saw these two Special Operations Soldiers who one had four tours in a hostile place and the other was on his fifth when they both were killed. Such BULLSHIT ONCE AGAIN! Even with Our reduced forced, we have the ability to go in and put an end to these little wars our people are fighting. Our Congress wants our People to fight a 'Gentlemen' War but they're dealing with people who are only taking advantage of our people hands being tied. Check it out, You'll see it's TRUE!!

Response by SPC Steve Syphax made Mar 26 at 2016 10:41 PM

SPC Steve Syphax — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 22:41:35 -0400

If you meet all the requirements and are able to triple dip. Rock it, apparently you've served enough in those capacities and deserve it. Congrats to you.

Response by CW4 Scott Hyde made Mar 27 at 2016 1:47 AM

CW4 Scott Hyde — Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:47:19 -0400

I think a lot of people get bent out of shape when they see someone getting something they are not. Nevermind the facts, he has a new F350 and gets to stay home all week and that just is not fair. Sure, some play the system and get over but I'd wager that many never asked for it but someone looked out for them.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2016 12:10 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:10:21 -0400

I have held back on this, but, here goes. Triple dipping?

So, someone did what qualifies for three compensations. If he/she earened each why should he/she not be paid each?

Where there was overlap, the pay IS decreases as our lawmakers have seen fit.

I truly don't think we should be criticizing people for receiving what has been deemed owed.

Response by SSG Jesse Cheadle made Mar 27 at 2016 12:31 PM

SSG Jesse Cheadle — Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:31:38 -0400

I pray you dont find yourself in this position. Life sucks when your 36 and can barely play soccer with your son, stand on the bank of a river or lake and fish or keep up with your peers of the same age.
Leave it alone unless you are willing to give up a quality of life you sincerely enjoy. Besides we have to pay for life insurance, medical, dental, SBP, dues for Veterans Service Organizations, lawn care, house keeping, adaptive equipment and more.

Enjoy your independent living and leave the benefits alone. They would not recoeve them without having been scrutinized by every agency that pays them that entitlement.

Response by SGT Ej Reyaht made Mar 27 at 2016 1:18 PM

SGT Ej Reyaht — Sun, 27 Mar 2016 13:18:38 -0400

I have a scare where the tip of my tailbone made it through my skin on onto the pavement from jerking situps for the PT test. I will be in pain the rest of my life. I figured out how stupid it was to play tuff and not claim disability when my unemployment ran out. I very nearly ended up on the side of the road panhandling.

Response by PO1 Aaron Baltosser made Mar 27 at 2016 4:36 PM

PO1 Aaron Baltosser — Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:36:59 -0400

IF you qualify, then you qualify. Nothing wrong with following the rules in place that allows such a thing to happen. If anyone doesn't like that it is allowed don't go hard at the folks smart enough to figure out how, and change the system.

Response by SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD made Mar 27 at 2016 7:32 PM

SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD — Sun, 27 Mar 2016 19:32:39 -0400

If they earned it, they deserve it.

Response by Sgt Steven Bellows made Mar 27 at 2016 8:36 PM

Sgt Steven Bellows — Sun, 27 Mar 2016 20:36:04 -0400

It is not "triple dipping" to get all the benefits you are entitled to. That's equivalent to saying no you shouldn't get disability benefits while using the GI Bill and getting your degree/trade.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2016 11:27 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:27:11 -0400

I served for 28 yrs, medically retired, 100% VA disability, but do not draw SSDI even though I could.

I am in pain daily with significant limitations. I am thankful to be able to work, but at some point I will end up triple dipping.

I earned my retirement, VA benefits and paid into Soc Sec. I am due only what I have earned.

Response by PO3 Darin Scherer made Mar 28 at 2016 9:21 AM

PO3 Darin Scherer — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 09:21:02 -0400

I get 100% from the VA and SSI. Was injured while in, only did seven years. The Navy retired me but I gave up E-5 pay for medical insurance for the family.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2016 9:35 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 09:35:45 -0400

Hi , I'm a national Guard member from new york, I am 90 % combined total disability. I don't have 20 years but I am still in pending seperation and med board, seperation because I'm using cannabis to help me with my physical and mental pain. Just came off a shoulder surgery LOD, knee surgery end of April, LOD, back pain that can't be fixed because of extreme risk factors, sleep apnea, severe ptsd with alcohol and cannabis disorder and the list continues. Used to take my 18 pills and drink my bottle of tequila, gallon size. Now for people to say we don't deserve or this triple dipping crap. You need to realize what we went through or going through. Us veterans are entitled to this even though we still get shitted on. So whoever is making this shit up need reevaluate there research.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2016 9:42 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 09:42:03 -0400

This career tract is brutal. If you meet the 50% requirement and pull off a 20+ career... by all means you deserve it. If you reach that 100% unemployable rating by the VA after your 20+ year career, you're probably going to need SSI to live off of too. Don't drink the haterade. I'll be happy to collect my 21 year retirement whatever disability they say I have and the paycheck from the next job. Are you going to start a poll about that too?

Response by CSM Colin Patterson made Mar 28 at 2016 11:15 AM

CSM Colin Patterson — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 11:15:52 -0400

The process to get the third entitlement SSDI is not that easy, they send you to their doctor and is based on his/her examination and a review by their employment specialist.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2016 12:12 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:12:39 -0400

"Should Veterans be "triple Dipping"? I think you mean "should Veterans be enrolled in all programs for which they meet the eligibility standards?" The nature in which this question is asked lends to a misuse of available compensation programs. If we look closely within the peramiters of the original question if one of those Veterans also utilizes their GI Bill are they now quad dipping?

The reality is while many people in this world "game" they system (welfare, SNAP, EBT, whatever the going trend is in gov based funding for no work); the MAJORITY of Veterans REFUSE benefits or DELAY receipt of benefits until they have no other options available.

Perhaps we should be educating the men and women who served along side us so we don't have people self medicating with alcohol and drugs to "get through the day" so they can live in a safe home/eat a healthy meal. In a community thick with stigma it is probably not in our best interest to suggest that someone who retired from the military, is disabled as a result of that service and is disabled to the point of being UNABLE to work = "making more than you did serving"... because I'm willing to bet if they were in good physical/mental health they would be making more than they did serving.

Response by SMSgt Kelly Butler made Mar 28 at 2016 12:30 PM

SMSgt Kelly Butler — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:30:44 -0400

The ones complaining are probably the ones who tried to do it but didn't get approved. Its not easy to do and if you meet the quals- by God take it.

Response by SPC Rafael Morillo made Mar 28 at 2016 12:59 PM

SPC Rafael Morillo — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:59:33 -0400

If dick Cheney can make 40 billion, we can get what we can with no guilty feeling afterwards. We are the other 1% people forget about. #geturchecks

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2016 1:25 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:25:28 -0400

If you qualify, yes.

Response by PO3 Jeremy Lobdell made Mar 28 at 2016 2:30 PM

PO3 Jeremy Lobdell — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:30:49 -0400

If you did your 20, you've earned the right.

Response by SP6 Neil Eskew made Mar 28 at 2016 2:42 PM

SP6 Neil Eskew — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:42:56 -0400

I seen generals retire get 100% retirement pay, 100 disability, and. Work for a companies that pay 1000 dollars a day for consult fee

Response by Lt Col Ralph Swindler made Mar 28 at 2016 2:46 PM

Lt Col Ralph Swindler — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:46:43 -0400

I personally believe that military retirement should be tax free or at least taxed as non-income. I also believe that the all Vets should receive an automatic 10% disability rating. I also believe the VA should be put under the DoD or at least do a much better job of coordination. As for the question at hand, if one meets the requirements, what is the big-deal? I see no issue with triple dipping.

Response by SP6 Neil Eskew made Mar 28 at 2016 2:49 PM

SP6 Neil Eskew — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:49:24 -0400

I get get retirement check, va disability check and few years a dod retirment check but i put in over 30 years

Response by PO2 David Rick Brannan made Mar 28 at 2016 3:11 PM

PO2 David Rick Brannan — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:11:05 -0400

I have all three. Tbi, managed to get my 20 while recovering from tbi, and as I as I can't pass a drug test to be employed.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2016 6:08 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 18:08:26 -0400

Please do not post your disabilities or ratings. No one here cares except for lil ol you.

Response by SPC Rob Miller made Mar 28 at 2016 8:49 PM

SPC Rob Miller — Mon, 28 Mar 2016 20:49:48 -0400

This isn't triple dipping. Each are separate. A VA rating has no bearing on time in service or Social Security benifit decision nor does a Social Security decision hold weight on a VA decision. You can legally have all three or any variation of the three.

Response by MSgt Chris Chambre made Mar 29 at 2016 3:34 AM

MSgt Chris Chambre — Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:34:32 -0400

If you deserve it by law then you should get it. STOP BUDDY FUCKING!

Response by PO1 James Lankford made Mar 29 at 2016 9:20 AM

PO1 James Lankford — Tue, 29 Mar 2016 09:20:56 -0400

I am a double dipper. I fully retired and received a VA rating of 80%. Mostly due to an electrocution in the sandbox in 2008. I completely loss feeling in my right arm. As an electronics tech is pretty difficult to use small tools that you cannot feel. I have had to completely change my skillset off of what I had honed for 20 years.

Response by PO3 John Boatman made Mar 29 at 2016 10:29 AM

PO3 John Boatman — Tue, 29 Mar 2016 10:29:24 -0400

If you are against this, I'm sorry you worked in an office for 20 years and can't get a rating for your paper cut! Those that I know that are 100% are hurting and truly deserve every penny they get!

Response by Zackery Wall made Mar 29 at 2016 11:23 AM

Zackery Wall — Tue, 29 Mar 2016 11:23:12 -0400

If you're qualified to do something you might as well, when there's an opportunity available it would be wasteful not to take it

Response by LCpl David Haskett II made Mar 29 at 2016 11:31 AM

LCpl David Haskett II — Tue, 29 Mar 2016 11:31:06 -0400

Congress triple dips. Why not our military. Congress has millionaires. There are billionaires who collect Soc Sec. So... & it's not like the benefit would go to someone else. Congress would just steal it.

Response by Sgt Martin Akeke made Mar 29 at 2016 11:45 AM

Sgt Martin Akeke — Tue, 29 Mar 2016 11:45:17 -0400

Those aren't free benefits they are earned why don't we talk about the nuns using wellfare as a carreer

Response by TSgt John Beard made Mar 29 at 2016 12:42 PM

TSgt John Beard — Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:42:08 -0400

Well I guess I am one who does this, but it is not easy to get. I have Tdiu 100 percent due to I have had both my shoulders replaced with prospective joints. So once this was done I no longer was able to perform my job. So the Company I work for had nothing I qualified for so they put me on long term disability. Now the long term disability people force you to apply for SSI . This is to see if you are disabled by Social Security Standards. If you fail to apply for SSI then your long term disability is reduced by the amount you would get from SSI. So I had the VA And Social Security determined based on my age which was 53 at the time and solely on my service disability which are my shoulders , which will have to be redone in about 5 years , that I could not perform any work I was qualified to do. My military retirement I earned by serving . So if all these agency's say you are disabled , I say it was earned. Trust me I rather have use of my shoulders than some money.

Response by SGM Lonnie Durand made Mar 29 at 2016 4:16 PM

SGM Lonnie Durand — Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:16:28 -0400

Here's an idea. Mind your own business. Whether someone gets one benefit or another, or does not get one benefit or another, is nobody's business but their own.

Response by CPL Joe Varga made Mar 29 at 2016 9:43 PM

CPL Joe Varga — Tue, 29 Mar 2016 21:43:36 -0400

You didn't get paid enough when you were serving in the first place. If you gave more than 20 years of your life and are now disabled, you deserve every penny you can get. It will still be less than House and Senate retirees get...

Response by Cpl Michael Beck made Mar 30 at 2016 2:14 AM

Cpl Michael Beck — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 02:14:51 -0400

I am a GWOT vet, and worked for the VA...during my time there, they really pushed getting me out to recruit patients...they called it "community outreach"...and it was focused on Vietnam vets...they asked me to go up and talk to them every chance I got...I can't tell you how many emails and memo's I got concerning "reconnecting to Vietnam era veterans"...after being in the system and learning about the VA and how it works, I was really pretty disgusted by that...why? Because each veteran who has seen a VA Doctor every 36 months (could be 24; can't remember exactly anymore) was worth $3600...the VA was losing so much money because the WW2 guys were dying off so quickly...so it had nothing to do with "mending relationships" and everything to do with replacing that revenue stream...my point? The VA doesn't help you at your lowest points...you want to be noble and not take what you can get bc other guys need it more than you do? If you expect that loyalty to be rewarded when you "need" it? You're dreaming and it'll cut your guts out watching these Federal employees rolling their eyes at you and saying "shoulda, woulda, coulda" while you got no place to go...I saw it every day...be loyal to your Corps (Service)...be loyal to the brothers and the Honor you bestowed on your country...but NEVER confuse that with the VA...the VA is MOST DEFINITELY NOT THE ORGANIZATION YOU SACRIFICED FOR!!

Response by SSgt Alex Torres made Mar 30 at 2016 9:12 AM

SSgt Alex Torres — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 09:12:59 -0400

These programs are in place for veterans to use. If the veteran qualifies, then it is up to the veteran to decide whether to pursue the benefits. No matter what anyone opines about what they believe, the decision is not theirs to make, unless it applies to them directly. Furthermore, if your argument is that of taxes, just think about how large the veteran population really is and, of that number, what's the percentage of that population that actually qualifies for the double, triple dipping. It's a very small number compared to that of the entire veteran population. In short, if the veteran earned those benefits, then they are subject to benefit from them. At that point, it's up to them decide whether to obtain their benefits. Support your veterans! A large portion of them are now a volunteer force. Whether directed by draft or volunteered to do so, it is only right that the people back them for their sacrifices and the sacrifices their family had to endure for protecting the values and principles that make us all Americans.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Mar 30 at 2016 11:57 AM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 11:57:18 -0400

When I read the question I thought you were talking about retired military with a disability who are also federal government civilians. I know a few of these folks, but none whose disability I'd wish for. Then there's triple dippers like me: retired military, retired civil service, drawing social security. Fair? Yes. I served the years to get military and civil service retirement. I paid into Social Security for 48 years.

Response by PO1 Michael Havner made Mar 30 at 2016 12:10 PM

PO1 Michael Havner — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 12:10:59 -0400

Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you're unemployable, you deserve whatever you can get. I'm at 100% service connected. I'd give it all back if I could have my health back and be able to work on aircraft again.

Response by MSgt Tim Parkhurst made Mar 30 at 2016 7:37 PM

MSgt Tim Parkhurst — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 19:37:03 -0400

I think the wrong question is being asked. I'm a huge proponent of applying for EARNED benefits. If you earned it, go get it. Simple as that. The question we should be asking is how many veterans are LYING to get what might have been a legitimate benefit, except that they are not nearly as "broken" as they make themselves out to be.

Before I get too far, let me say that I think the numbers of those abusing the system are relatively small. However, it only takes a few to ruin a good thing for everyone. And there's the whole issue of individual honor and integrity at stake. If you lie to get benefits, you should rot in hell. You've made a choice at that point to throw away whatever integrity you once had, and I no longer care much about you. I certainly wouldn't lump you in with the rest of the veteran population.

That said, I personally know of a few veterans who are drawing a retirement check, 100% VA disability, and also SSDI (not SSI, that's something different). These particular veterans EARNED their retirement check by virtue of serving longer than 20 years. It's impossible (I think) to fake that. The problem starts with the VA disability rating. Some of these veterans have "gamed" the system. There are specific things you can do to get a VA contractor to award you a higher percentage during your evaluation physicals. I'm not going to say what those things are, because I don't want anyone running out to "get theirs" based on fraudulent claims of physical disability.

Once they get that 100% rating, it's easy to justify in their own minds trying to claim the Social Security Disability Insurance. While we do pay into SSDI during our careers, not everyone rates it. VA disability ratings have little to do with actual physical disability. Those ratings are simply a number the VA uses to base their compensation payments on, and they are often increased or decreased based on changes in individual circumstances. Although you may have a 75% or even 100% rating, that does NOT mean that you are necessarily even close to actually being 100% disabled, as in home-bound or bed-ridden. You might be, but not necessarily. That's part of the mystery of the VA rating system.

On the other hand, the SSDI definition of "Disability" is far stricter. Here it is, copied directly from their website:

"To meet our definition of disability, you must not be able to engage in any substantial gainful activity (SGA) because of a medically-determinable physical or mental impairment(s):
1. That is expected to result in death, or
2. That has lasted or is expected to last for a continuous period of at least 12 months."

That means that you are permanently and completely reliant on someone else to get by in the world. I know guys who are missing limbs who don't qualify for this! On the other hand, I know a few who are up and moving around just fine, working jobs, going to school and dealing with crowds and other people just fine - and yet they're drawing SSDI. They are FRAUDS. They had to have LIED to get that benefit. I'm not a snitch, but I will certainly let them know that I know, and I have turned my back on those individuals. They will get what they deserved. DON'T BE THAT GUY.

If you are still in uniform, you need to make up your mind right now what kind of veteran you want to be. Do you want to suck off the system the rest of your life, throwing away your integrity at the same time? Or do you simply want what you earned, nothing more, nothing less? In that case, I'm assuming you want to continue to be a leader and a force for good in your own community. Please be that guy. That's what America needs her Veterans to be!

Response by SGT Troy Hightower made Mar 30 at 2016 8:07 PM

SGT Troy Hightower — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 20:07:08 -0400

I'm thankful i got 60% medical retirement from the army and 100% from the VA. I applied for SS twice (once while still in and at Ft. Polk, once a while after being out of service in TX) got denied both times. On the second application i put in the comments section that it feels like they stole from me. The SS office in Temple, TX treats you like dirt and you almost have to beg them to accept supplemental or supporting documents for your claim. I will eventually apply again. I sent off paperwork for CRSC back in November, i call each month to check on it. They say that the process is backed up til May or June. I pray that i get it. I encourage anyone who medically retired to apply for it. Does anyone know anything about it (CRSC)? Like maybe how hard it is to be approved or what the pay table is for it (CRSC)?

Response by SGT Troy Hightower made Mar 30 at 2016 8:12 PM

SGT Troy Hightower — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 20:12:24 -0400

I almost forgot to mention, the military can and will get what it wants from you before you get to go home, (hopefully with an Honorable discharge), when you swear in, you're giving up everything that you are to become all that they want you to be and more often than not, you're broken somehow when you get out. I strongly feel that you should be able to get what you earn, if that means you can triple dip or quadruple dip, go for it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2016 8:31 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 20:31:03 -0400

Ok, so, one of the benefits of the military is that you can retire and still collect your retirement if you work in the civilian sector. Many civilian jobs pay disability if you are hurt while performing your job. If you are physically unable to work due to a disability, you can collect Social Security Disability. Given all this, I don't see what the problem with triple dipping is. Just because you were hurt while you were in the military disqualifies you from doing this? How stupid. The very few people that qualify for this are very likely deserving an need it. They are three separately funded and independent benefits with their own criteria to qualify. One has no bearing on the others.

Response by SFC James Watson made Mar 30 at 2016 8:44 PM

SFC James Watson — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 20:44:19 -0400

As long as the disability issues are legit, I say go for it.

Response by Cpl Daniel Cholette made Mar 30 at 2016 8:49 PM

Cpl Daniel Cholette — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 20:49:29 -0400

If someone is using the system when they are actually relatively fine then shame on them but I know some guys who are extremely fucked up in every sense of the word, for these guys, I think the government should carry them and their families through the rest of their sub par existence. I say existence because I'm not going to kid you or I by calling it living. Being in pain (both physical and mental) every day of your life is an unenjoyable life. So yes, pay those men what they deserve and give them some sort of comfort instead of daily struggle to survive.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2016 9:41 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 21:41:45 -0400

If you qualify you should be able to get it. I retired from Army 30 years ago (38 yrs old) and my retired pay with COLAs is close to my pre-retired base pay now.

Response by SFC Sammy Salaiz made Mar 30 at 2016 9:54 PM

SFC Sammy Salaiz — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 21:54:03 -0400

I wish those who earned less than 50% could at least receive their full retirement. Luckily I get both, but a large majority do not.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2016 10:47 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 22:47:37 -0400

I am a veteran and currently work for a law firm that handles social security disability. We take on plenty of clients that collect va disability and military retirement. Like the main post states, being qualified for all three is very difficult. Where the VA might see you as 100%, Social security might not. It all depends on the severity of the case and if they are constantly treating. If you do qualify for all three then you have earned it in my book. If any veterans have any questions about social security disability please feel free to contact me.

Response by MSgt Victor Moss made Mar 31 at 2016 12:19 AM

MSgt Victor Moss — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 00:19:13 -0400

Military retirement VA Disability compensation, and SSI/SSD are three completely separate things. Each is earned on its own merits.

Response by SGT Justin Anderson made Mar 31 at 2016 12:32 AM

SGT Justin Anderson — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 00:32:36 -0400

If you meet the qualifications then go for it. We're all entitled to it so why not use it? We fought for it and some of us even lost limbs, eye sight, etc for it. A smart man would stop rating himself against other vets and use the benefits offered. You can't possibly tell me that no vet could use more money.

Response by Cpl Brian Jones made Mar 31 at 2016 1:17 AM

Cpl Brian Jones — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 01:17:21 -0400

I know guys that retired with 20+ years in service that when their va became more than their retirement, they no longer receive their check from said retirement.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Mar 31 at 2016 1:34 AM

SSgt Jim Gilmore — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 01:34:04 -0400

Sounds like you are trying to deny a disabled veteran his due? Are you aware that those retired veterans rated less than 50% are the only people who pay their own disability? Dollar for dollar offset until their disability passes 50%. Using your analogy, I am a double dipper receiving VA disability at 100% and SSDI. DO you want to reduce my benefits?

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Mar 31 at 2016 1:53 AM

CWO4 Tim Hecht — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 01:53:33 -0400

When I retired in 2001 I had health issues from my years of service. I was initially rated at 80% disabled by the VA. I didn't feel disabled but felt as though I had issues that were going to cause me problems later in life. Well guess what - later in life started earlier. Since retirement I tried to work, even at 80% I passed the physical and physical performance testing for a Customs and Border Protection Officer. In hindsight - that is a young man or woman's job. In the 10-1/2 years I did work all my disabilities progressed from bad to worse. I had two cervical discs fused, both knees replaced, 4 cardiac stents; and to add insult to injury, in April, 2014 I had a severe heart attack. All those conditions were service connected; well documented over my 30 years active duty.

When I asked my cardiologist when I could return to work he said never. Between the heart and the other issues I'm pretty much useless when it comes to working; I can't stand for more the 10-15 minutes without severe pain; I take 10 different medications daily including 4 different pain medications. When the medication is working I try to live a normal life and usually end up doing more then I should and pay for it the next day...

I would not wish my health issues on anyone - would much rather be able to work. I had to retire at 61 for good. So yes get all that you can....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2016 6:34 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 06:34:52 -0400

If you meet the requirements and have done your time then yes.

Response by MSgt Stephanie McCalister made Mar 31 at 2016 7:38 AM

MSgt Stephanie McCalister — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 07:38:19 -0400

I first saw a FB response question about this ... and this is what I posted ... and I'll repeat it here!

Triple dipping? By federal law, if you are 50% or higher service connected disabled, and a military retiree, you get concurrent (meaning both). Likewise, if you are 100% service connected disabled & unable to work, you can apply for SSDI (see included link for more info on SSDI for 100% S/C DAV). None of these have any impact on other retirements that may have been employer or employee financed. It is potentially possible for a multi-career 100% service connected disabled veteran ( say for example, a Vietnam vet with presumptive connection due to later in life cancer from agent orange exposure) to have multiple benefits eligibility. We paid into the social security system, we paid taxes, we didn't ask to become disabled from our service ... we don't get workman's comp if injured 'on the job' from military service related injuries, ailments etc...

Be grateful it isn't you if it doesn't apply!

https://www.ssa.gov/people/veterans/

Information for Wounded Warriors and Veterans Who Have a Compensation Rating of 100% Permanent...

Social Security delivers a broad range of services online at socialsecurity.gov. We have a proud history of protecting the integrity of our programs and service to the public.

Response by SSG Al Vadnais made Mar 31 at 2016 11:24 AM

SSG Al Vadnais — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 11:24:52 -0400

I'm only double dipping and make more retired than I did active. Of course I can barely move an don't really get to enjoy the money as much as I would have ten years ago.

Response by TSgt Gerald Wilson made Mar 31 at 2016 11:45 AM

TSgt Gerald Wilson — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 11:45:16 -0400

Society is now burdened by combat vets living in privileged excess. LOL There are even a few quadruple dippers: (Social Security + Mil Retirement + 100% VA + civil service pay.) I can't believe the guy sitting next to me can still walk; just shows what a committed slacker can accomplish.

Response by PO1 Keith Goodsell made Mar 31 at 2016 12:27 PM

PO1 Keith Goodsell — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:27:27 -0400

There is a reverse issue that ha occurred for some of us, where the Government has forced payments to obtain our military service time.
I was forced out of the military at just under the 12 year mark as I was not able to deploy being a single father with 4 small children whose wife had run off with a alleged child molestor. Having a critical JMCIS NEC, my ship opted to discharge me in order to get a quick replacement. I was given a have severance for my time and limited base priveleges for three and a promise to be able to stay in base housing for a month. A soon as I was discharged that month turned into a week, with a mark on my credit report for storage of household goods. Next came the VA disability rating for respiratory issues that were service related. Instead of receiving monthly compensation, I was told that until all of my severance pay was paid back I would receive nothing and the Government took back every penny. Severance is compensation for a breach in contract, not retirement. Compensation for a service connected health issue is for that issue. However, that is not what regulations showed. Next came the opportunity to buy back my service time when I became employed with the federal government. So when it comes to double or triple dipping, I have my own beef about. I busted my butt in the military and was shafted because of the needs of Navy and thena greedy government trying to prevent double dipping. What they did was double dip.

Response by CPL Jason Hughes made Mar 31 at 2016 1:17 PM

CPL Jason Hughes — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:17:39 -0400

I think it's a case by case thing. I know a MSG about to retire with three Purple Hearts. He's 43 with the body of a 60 year old. Sure, he can still work, but not the same as he'd have been before serving. I think he should make more than when he was in. OTOH, I know others that never went past boot camp, and will receive benefits for life, even though they have a whole other career now, and no loss of quality of life.

Response by MSgt Sheila Williams made Mar 31 at 2016 4:41 PM

MSgt Sheila Williams — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 16:41:44 -0400

The military is underpaid to begin with. If you stick it out and retire you deserve the pay. If you are given a disability rating from them or the VA then there is a reason for it and you deserve the pay. You paid into the SSI system so if you legitimately qualify for SSI then you deserve the pay. What is the problem? I don't see anything wrong with getting what you deserve. May our leaders in DC should have to qualify for what they get as I don't see them earning what they are paid as it is.

Response by SFC Antonio Nieto made Mar 31 at 2016 6:21 PM

SFC Antonio Nieto — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:21:55 -0400

I don't there is just a thing as tripple dipping, if you retired, you get your retirement check, if you get a medical discharge you get the percentage you deserved, but no va compensation because you get a medical discharge, if you are disable you might get social security because at this time you had made enough contributions, now if you are 100 percent compesation, you are disable therefore you are eligible for SS, and your retirement, nevertheless is not tripple dipping because you earned those credits.

Response by Cpl Matthew Lee made Mar 31 at 2016 9:17 PM

Cpl Matthew Lee — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 21:17:51 -0400

A different type is to retire, collect disability and become a government service worker (usually some ridiculously inflated gs rank like a non-supervisory GS-14 like I've seen). Over $100k/year with no management or supervisory responsibilities? Sounds like a good deal to the taxpayer...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2016 9:43 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 21:43:16 -0400

People in legislation do it and draw over $100000 a year.it's legal for them. You all earned get it

Response by CPO John Best made Mar 31 at 2016 10:29 PM

CPO John Best — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:29:41 -0400

I just want to get what I was told ID get way back when.

Response by SSG David Winters made Apr 1 at 2016 1:08 AM

SSG David Winters — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 01:08:07 -0400

If the person deserves it then why would it be a big deal? Next thing they will be griping about is how ble amputees are screwing the system by requesting wheelchairs from the VA. It isn't any of my business what piece of pie or how big of slice of pie someone else has.

Response by LCpl Corinne Molloy made Apr 1 at 2016 1:47 AM

LCpl Corinne Molloy — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 01:47:43 -0400

Ridiculous to even question this. The people who qualify for this earned every red cent they're paid.

For anyone to stand there and judge them is atrocious. Someone who meets these criteria is most likely in constant pain and will have a shortened life.

Whoever decided to judge this is a total asshole.

Response by SFC Michael Arabian made Apr 1 at 2016 7:28 AM

SFC Michael Arabian — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 07:28:21 -0400

Sounds to me like someone applied and was turned down and is now upset about it

Response by SFC John Giersdorf made Apr 1 at 2016 11:48 AM

SFC John Giersdorf — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 11:48:14 -0400

It's not very much money and you'd have to be pretty messed up to get the whole shebang. But if the question is should you make more when retired than you made on active duty, look no further than your senior officers who've got a pretty sweet retirement set up and allows them to make more retired than when active - and that's ALL of them, not some small number of messed up enlisted guys.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2016 12:06 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 12:06:29 -0400

I never understand the narrative that someone shouldn't get something they have earned because its not fair to those who have not earned it. If they have done the time and been authorized it they should get what they are due. It seems to me the people that are complaining about this are the ones that never took any risks. The small portion of Vets that receive the earned item probable need it most. So why begrudge them their due?

Response by SPC Ryan Dostie-Osenko made Apr 1 at 2016 12:07 PM

SPC Ryan Dostie-Osenko — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 12:07:58 -0400

If you meet the requirements, I don't see an issue and I don't see it as "scamming" the system. If you meet the requirements, chances are you're owed the money and are still paying for your service, through physical or mental pain that never goes away.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2016 12:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 12:07:59 -0400

Let's remember that disabled does not equal unemployable.

Response by LCpl John White made Apr 1 at 2016 12:13 PM

LCpl John White — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 12:13:34 -0400

People hear triple dipping and they think you're getting his huge paycheck from uncle Sam. Bullshit. At best you might bring in 3-4000 a month. Ànd with today's prices that's just getting by

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2016 1:21 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 13:21:03 -0400

If you meet those requirements, the life is hard and it's legal. No heartache here.

Response by CPO Greg Frazho made Apr 1 at 2016 2:14 PM

CPO Greg Frazho — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 14:14:35 -0400

Even with those stipulations, it should be, I think, a fairly short list of people who qualify. Making more as a retiree vice being on active duty should be very much the exception and not the rule.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Apr 1 at 2016 2:35 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 14:35:32 -0400

American that earn their retirement no matter how many have the right to their retirement, and those against should step up and do the same. My Mother's solution was if bad in the morning One spanking, if bad again another spanking and so on, you earned it.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Apr 1 at 2016 3:09 PM

LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:09:56 -0400

I am one of those reviled "Triple Dippers". I am 100% P&T, and I have my pension, VA disability and SSD. I PAID for all these benefits and I EARNED them. They are not entitlements, gaming the system, getting over, or anything else...

Response by Maj John Bell made Apr 1 at 2016 3:19 PM

Maj John Bell — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:19:57 -0400

I will plagiarize a phrase I read on RP earlier, "Malicious Obedience". Go for it. The government (both parties) is busy handing out money to buy votes with little reflection on the wisdom of what they do.

I know three households in my area that that bought goats from me to provide milk for themselves. They all have combined household incomes well-over $100K. They are proud that they received USDA grants (no pay back or matching funds required) of $3K-$5K to pay for their pastures to be fenced.

I don't have a problem with this program for low income rural families that have sufficient land to raise their own meat and milk. But these families are not in need. Nor are they entering into agriculture, with an expectation of employing someone. This nonsense used to make me angry, still does. But fine, let's break the bank with nonsense. Just can't bring myself to do it for my own benefit. Hopefully a Phoenix will rise from the ashes.

Response by PO3 Jeremy Lobdell made Apr 1 at 2016 3:28 PM

PO3 Jeremy Lobdell — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:28:41 -0400

Including SSI, or more specifically SSDI into this shows that the question was posed by someone who doesn't understand. SSDI is the right of every American who has paid into social security. If you become disabled and can't work, you get SSDI. Hiw much you get is based solely by what you oaid into the dystem. What most people don't know is that if you're under 50, Social Security will automatically deny you. Your SSDI has to be approved in a hearing by a Federal Judge. Even with a 100% Service Connected Disabled for pay rating from the VA I had to go to the hearing.
Also if you are TDRL or PDRL and have a VA rating, you get benefits from both but PAYPAL from only one. That would be TRUE double dipping. TDRL and PDRL are based on rank and time in service, where as VA is strictly by % of Service Connected disablilty, with no regard to rank at all.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2016 4:24 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 16:24:16 -0400

I receive all three. The basis is the VA made me 100% IU. Based off of my 20+ year retirement and IU, the SEA without question awarded me SSDI. I never wanted to abuse the system by getting anything that I was not entitled to, but did want everything that I am entitled to.

Response by SCPO Bob Ludy made Apr 1 at 2016 4:50 PM

SCPO Bob Ludy — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 16:50:12 -0400

Retirement, disability and ssi are all from different systems that each person has paid into either through TIS, blood and sweat, and social security. They have earned every thing they get.

Response by SCPO Bob Ludy made Apr 1 at 2016 4:50 PM

SCPO Bob Ludy — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 16:50:15 -0400

Retirement, disability and ssi are all from different systems that each person has paid into either through TIS, blood and sweat, and social security. They have earned every thing they get.

Response by SFC Lawrence McQuiston made Apr 1 at 2016 7:58 PM

SFC Lawrence McQuiston — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 19:58:30 -0400

I'm one of those rare that qualify for VA disability, army medical discharge retirement after 21 years and social security disability not SSI. I simply get what I payed in since I am completely unable to work. Heck have to have someone do basic household chores. Which cost me not the VA. I won't go through the VA for that. For whoever said "I hope those triple dipping rot in hell, go fuck yoyrself. I was a linemen power companies may I make a fraction of what I made working. It truly is a small percentage that qualify for all 3.

Response by CPL Travis Becnel made Apr 1 at 2016 8:10 PM

CPL Travis Becnel — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 20:10:23 -0400

Take a look at how many in this great country are taking hand outs . Not once in their life have they contributed to the country they despise and critize on a daily basis. With that being said if a veteran qualifies for benefits so be it.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2016 8:21 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 20:21:54 -0400

If you have a family the size of mine . 100 percent disability is about 3200 dollars . If you receive individual unemployility and can't work ..... Exactly what are you supposed to do ? Double or triple dip or take a huge standard of living cut because you got sick, injured , or wounded while serving? Get real . If you payed into SS, your condition is real , and you served honorably then you should be taken care off . As a veteran you are exposed to stressors , toxins and hardships many civilians will never see in some veterans this brings on illness, wounds, and for those that saw combat ... Grievous wounds . If you go to war for your country you should never worry about losing your house

Response by SGT Nathan Vitartas made Apr 1 at 2016 9:20 PM

SGT Nathan Vitartas — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 21:20:40 -0400

Hey if you make it to 20 years and have disabilities that are legit then you deserve all the dipping possible. Should take away welfare and give the money to people who have actually does something.

Response by MSgt Michael Lane made Apr 1 at 2016 9:38 PM

MSgt Michael Lane — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 21:38:58 -0400

The point he was trying to make is for everyone of you that have legitimate issue and need and or deserve the money their are probably 40 people that are gaming the system. The Airforce is the worst I know 3 people that are 50% and they work one even post his times from running 10k on Facebook, I think of you can run a 10k you probably not 50% disabled.

Response by SGT Joseph Horner made Apr 1 at 2016 10:24 PM

SGT Joseph Horner — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 22:24:13 -0400

Yea, you really can't say shit about it because we all put money into social security, we are deployed in shitty areas where the government contracts a horrible corporation to do soldiers jobs and they wind up fucking up soldiers health due to burn pits. It is very hard to get social security and I was denied 2 times and finally got to explain to a judge the pain I have and how it affects me. Soldiers earn every fucking cent they can get.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2016 10:26 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 22:26:29 -0400

It's not triple dipping it's separate programs that they are qualifying for with years of service and a broken body!

Response by SFC Stanley Nelson made Apr 2 at 2016 5:14 AM

SFC Stanley Nelson — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 05:14:53 -0400

Did 24 years, with the last two in the Wounded Worrior program. I'm 100% from the Army, 100% from the VA, CRSC and SSDI. Untill you've walked a mile in my shoes, you can pound sand. You don't know what I've been through.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2016 7:07 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 07:07:56 -0400

If immigrants can do it, I don't care about my fellow brothers in arms that served their country. Get all the money you can, you deserve it!

Response by MAJ Keith FitzPatrick, CPIM, CSCP made Apr 2 at 2016 7:28 AM

MAJ Keith FitzPatrick, CPIM, CSCP — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 07:28:06 -0400

I guess if it's legal, you should do it. I suspect that anyone eligible for all three probably needs the money - this is no get rich quick plan. Also, its my understanding that disability pay reduces your retirement pay on a one-for-one basis so you don't get twice as much money, you just get more tax-free money.

Response by PO1 Hector Maldonado made Apr 2 at 2016 8:27 AM

PO1 Hector Maldonado — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 08:27:12 -0400

I was medically discharged. My severance, which was essentially the money I got for not being able to retire at 11 years of active service, with another 8 years reserve time mixed in for a total of 19 years, was all collected back by the VA, when I got my 70% rating and money. If a civ got severance and then got a VA rating, they don't pay a penny back. Triple dippers? Go ahead and get it if qualified. Why should people that put their life on the line be penalized?

Response by LCpl Jeff Moore made Apr 2 at 2016 9:07 AM

LCpl Jeff Moore — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 09:07:12 -0400

Everyone gets SSI, my issue is if you get a 100% disable rating and are working a federal job. One of my coworkers served 20 years and got out. There his military retirement check, the. Recieved 100% va for needing a bypass breathing machine while he sleep, yet he works full time as a US customs officer on the southern border. If you can prefer a LEO job you shouldnt be rated at 100%.

Response by CPO Jerry Unger made Apr 2 at 2016 9:10 AM

CPO Jerry Unger — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 09:10:37 -0400

If they qualify because of their long hours, deployments, combat, unaccompanied tours, and all the other crap. We didn't get overtime pay. We did it because it was our duty as servicemen and women. So as far as I am concerned if you qualify then you damn well deserved it. End of subject. For all others quit whining. Jerry Unger CPO USN RET.

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Apr 2 at 2016 9:17 AM

1SG Michael Blount — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 09:17:02 -0400

If allowed by regulation, then I say your country should not complain.

Response by MAJ Daniel Flynn made Apr 2 at 2016 9:23 AM

MAJ Daniel Flynn — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 09:23:48 -0400

I didn't chase unemployment benefits after I retired but many do. Figured someone else needed it more. I know a number of guys who steered clear of the government after they retired. It may balance out.

Response by SPC Daniel Joslin made Apr 2 at 2016 10:00 AM

SPC Daniel Joslin — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 10:00:20 -0400

I'm just not sure its anyone's business what someone else receives from the government for their service in the military

Response by PO1 Stuart Davis made Apr 2 at 2016 11:51 AM

PO1 Stuart Davis — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 11:51:01 -0400

For me, it's not so much the VA benefits they get, but I think people who are making as much or more being twitted at 100% disability should not be allowed to work at a government job making even more money. 100%disabled should mean you aren't able to work.

Response by SGT David Emme made Apr 2 at 2016 1:23 PM

SGT David Emme — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 13:23:41 -0400

I was wounded twice in combat. Could have gone home the first time but chose to remain with my unit (as a Supply Sgt by MOS with a combat unit). I tried to stay in and not be retired. Second time was from an IED puncturing head wound with a prosthetic skull larger than the size of my hand with severe TBI and headaches all the time. I triple dip and hope to return to work some day (am going to school).

Let me share the reactions of a retired Marine.

He thought it was unfair that I was making more money than him because he had a longer service time than me.

My reaction was I would trade all the pain I have, the psychological/emotional trauma I have experienced and experience-PTSD, TBI symptoms that has dynamically affected and curtailed my quality of life, shortened my career, affected my relationships, and much else I cannot convey in a short time here-I would trade it all for the triple dip money I receive.

I get frustrated at my situation but do not wallow in self pity-that is not me. I am a fighter and work hard to get better, to overcome, to get better every day, to improve myself, to overcome, to live a better life, to take the gift of life God has given me and to live it well.

Hopefully this gives some perspective on us triple dippers.

Response by CPO Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols made Apr 2 at 2016 1:42 PM

CPO Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 13:42:10 -0400

I see it as a non-issue. You did the job for the specified time - you get the benefits.

Response by PO1 Arthur Kinard made Apr 2 at 2016 4:35 PM

PO1 Arthur Kinard — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 16:35:20 -0400

It's not hard. Tryed to be nice an look for work but SS and Mil., (VA) kept pushing this and that at me so I said ok ,let's do it. P.S. nobody wanted to hire me after 4 mths of looking. Benefits kept flowing in. Thanks to my V A Rep., one hell of a mean and a hard worker.

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made Apr 2 at 2016 5:18 PM

1stSgt Eugene Harless — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 17:18:59 -0400

A civilian or Government Employee can draw a retirement check and Draw SSDI if Qualified. The military is unique in some ways in that it will pay you compenatation for injuries/ conditions recieved in service. Whats overlooked is that there are civilian jobs that pay addition benefits for health problems, often due to court action. My Grandfather drewpayments for black lung..
One thing overlooked by those who would try to cut off SSDI for those drawing VA Comp and Retirement in that military members PAY IN to the Social Security System. You pay in you should get something out when needed.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Apr 2 at 2016 5:33 PM

1SG Harold Piet — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 17:33:34 -0400

If you retire healthy you earned your retirement benefits, If you are injured in the line of duty you also earned your disability, you pay SS from the time you start working till the time you are old enough to collect it or become disabled, it is an insurance mandated and forced upon you by the government similar to a ponzi scheme that they put others in jail for. If you become disabled before you are the legal age to collect your SS benefits that you paid for then you collect the SSDI that you paid for, how anyone can think any of this is wrong they must be jealous or addled.

Response by SPC Matt Johnson made Apr 2 at 2016 5:42 PM

SPC Matt Johnson — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 17:42:32 -0400

due to our political system playing fuck fuck games. I don't look at it as a permanent guaranteed money and benefits. Both of my Grandfathers(army air corpWWII), grandmother(navyWWII), and great uncle(Army Paratrooper WWII) are proof of that. As soon as they needed their benefits the political system pulled the rug from under them. I spend what I can of my benefits on shelters for homeless vets. I was homeless for short bit after I got out and they helped me out. I like to give back to them with what I can when I can. If you can they need Socks and underwear(mens and womens). Not many people donate those items. they donate blankets, soap and shampoo, clothes. But no one thinks about socks and underwear

Response by SGT Scott Henderson made Apr 2 at 2016 6:29 PM

SGT Scott Henderson — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 18:29:09 -0400

The amount of bullshit we put our bodies through in service to our country the very least the government could do is make us as financially stable as possible. In the past two years since I got boarded I have maxed three credit cards trying to support my family because every service that is supposed to help disabled veterans; even social services like TANF has shit on me and said I don't qualify. I have an autoimmune condition and have nearly no feeling in my legs or feet and so can't drive myself. The VA in it's infinite wisdom has decided that a hand control modification is not warranted in my case. I am either forced to take public transportation or use my wife as a chauffeur. It's my opinion that you should take everything you are entitled to. It's the people that are still fully functional that have a problem with this in the first place. FUCK THEM, as soon as they are in the same position their attitude will change in a hurry.

Response by MSgt Eric Viebrock made Apr 2 at 2016 7:19 PM

MSgt Eric Viebrock — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:19:50 -0400

The laws are written this way. If you qualify under the existing laws then I'm all for it. I served 23 years in the USMC. I GET 90% from the VA and 55% from the corps. If I find I rate more legally I'd be a fool not to take it.

Response by MSG Franklin Mclelland made Apr 2 at 2016 8:29 PM

MSG Franklin Mclelland — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 20:29:28 -0400

First off, if you retire from active duty and you are the VA 100% permanent and total disabled. Then the govt. is most likely going to adjust one or the other. This is what I was informed from the VA. Concerning the SSI, if a SM has paid into the system for X number of years, then the SM is considered invested and will receive a monthly stipend base on how much was paid in. This is where it gets tricky, because I am 100% P&T and when I initially put in my claims, the VA informed me that I had to apply for SSI benefits as well. The SSI benefits kicked in before the VA decided to do anything concerning my claims. This was after I had been turned down 3 times and had to go before a SSI judge. Which they say is normal. The VA did not do anything for another 3yrs. The issue is I have 13yrs AD/13yrs guard time. So, I can't draw my retirement until I am closer to 60.
So, yeah if everything is on the up and up and by the book, let them get all they can. They have earned it. Especially, if they have deployed, been wounded, retired, medical or otherwise, and paid into the system.

Response by CSM Michael Sweeney made Apr 2 at 2016 9:30 PM

CSM Michael Sweeney — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 21:30:59 -0400

I never liked the term double or triple dipping. It sounds condescending. I collect Retirement for 29 years active duty, 80% VA Disability that does not reduce my retirement and Social Security retirement because I am 63 years old and paid into it. If that is triple dipping, I am surely for it.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Apr 2 at 2016 10:22 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 22:22:30 -0400

I served 21 years in the Army. I currently work for MSC, and I recieve 20% disability. So to quickly answer this, YES!!!

Response by 1SG Gary Bacon made Apr 2 at 2016 11:32 PM

1SG Gary Bacon — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:32:24 -0400

I'll be happy if I live long enough to single dip.

Response by Capt Will Stanton made Apr 2 at 2016 11:41 PM

Capt Will Stanton — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:41:20 -0400

There's nothing scummy about it. If you qualify, then use it.

Response by PO2 Gary Lyall made Apr 3 at 2016 12:26 AM

PO2 Gary Lyall — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 00:26:56 -0400

Why would somebody be against it? We did our 20 years in the military that was our contract. The VA says from the smallest injury to the most serious, you came get service connected to get compensation payments. I have been paying in SSI even before my service through my service and still paying why shouldn't I get it.

Response by PO1 Javid Benson made Apr 3 at 2016 12:40 AM

PO1 Javid Benson — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 00:40:48 -0400

If someone is Maas that u are getting paid money from a job that paid u nickels when u joined then screw you mcpo. You are not special asshole. To the guys who are getting it good on you

Response by SFC Familia Gonzalez made Apr 3 at 2016 9:10 AM

SFC Familia Gonzalez — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 09:10:36 -0400

Why not? The only issue I would have is if you're retired Military like I am, and expect the federal government to count or give you credit 'again' for your years of service... I don't think that's fair. I will reach "triple dipping" status in about a year, but not the way I envisioned the process. Most, if not all, triple dippers are physically or mentally broke. In some case both! I would much rather be working right now... I didn't attend and graduate Grad school hoping I could retire before 62... Therefore, yes is my final answer. Lol

Response by SP5 Jason Nalley made Apr 3 at 2016 9:15 AM

SP5 Jason Nalley — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 09:15:47 -0400

Yes, I received a med board from the Army and was given a %. Then VA made me 100% total and permanent. As well as my wife is a caregiver, and social security pays a % to me. If my body wasn't FUBAR they wouldn't just hand me money. They try and take it already any chance they can. When u can't move the extra money is of little solice and they could keep it for just one day . I worked had for my career/ as many do that retire. We did our jobs, no need in making it a sin to get what we were told would happen if we were hurt or other circumstances. Triple Dipping, lol. I truly wonder why they focus on a Scratch when the Government is throwing money at fences in millions while we die. So I feel no shame in spending every bit of the money I get and I hate the people that just don't or can't understand.

Response by GySgt Michael Renzulli made Apr 3 at 2016 9:50 AM

GySgt Michael Renzulli — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 09:50:39 -0400

I'll have to agree with Jarrod Stover. I'm also 100% but my sacrifice also involved water contamination for 3 years at Camp Lejeune. Yes, they will take care of me till I die

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2016 11:18 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 11:18:33 -0400

I'm not savy as to what triple is. I am a 90% disabled vet and a former DA civilian working with the National Guard. I get a check for being unfit for military membership on the tech side but am not getting Social Security. I am also entitled to my Guard retirement at age 60 for my 32 years service and now am wondering if I will get that and if I do will it affect something else?? Anyone know?

Response by LCpl David Tierney made Apr 3 at 2016 11:39 AM

LCpl David Tierney — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 11:39:14 -0400

If they can why not?

Response by SGT Carol Mills made Apr 3 at 2016 11:59 AM

SGT Carol Mills — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 11:59:20 -0400

I make $202 a month for my retirement, if that's dipping, you really can't add.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2016 12:30 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 12:30:49 -0400

Very sensitive subject for some, but triple dipping should be strictly controlled, especially for those who serve less than 20 years, but there are always individual circumstances. For instance, if someone has very severe injuries; traumatic TBI, lost limbs, etc. Everyone in those categories should be 100%.

If everyone were entitled to triple dip, where's the integrity of the programs? There is definitely a huge difference, if veterans think otherwise, they need to go spend a day with a veteran (or caregivers of veterans) who have missing limbs, or severe irreconcilable brain damage. Just my thoughts.

Response by CPT Tom Monahan made Apr 3 at 2016 1:26 PM

CPT Tom Monahan — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:26:41 -0400

Yes. We paid for SSDI every paycheck; our friend FICA. Now a Person who puts in 20+ and earns retirement service should get it. For special combat dispensation allowance Congress says the US should compensate a disabled Wounded Warrior. This is no different than getting long term disability, SSDI, and defined benefit retirement from a civilian or state/local government. Cops, firefighters, etc. get these type benefits in many jurisdictions.

Response by LCpl Timothy McCain made Apr 3 at 2016 1:28 PM

LCpl Timothy McCain — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:28:38 -0400

We have been trying to get the Senate to amend and pass H.R 677. This bill deals with VA cost of adjustment making it automatic. We are asking for three amendments. The first would give veterans a 25% disability pay increase. This was requested by the veterans disability commission in 2007. The next amendment would only effect veterans that have a disability rating of 60% or greater. We are asking that the VA be allowed to pay quality of life adjustment to veterans who are 60% or more disabled by using the disability scale. The is supported by the veterans disability commission report to Congress in 2007. Finally we are asking that those veterans who are 100% or permanent and totally disabled due to a service connected disability and are not receiving retirement pay be allowed to receive the maximum VA pension since SsDi and VA disability isn't taxable income and VA pension income isn't reportable taxable or reportable to the IRS or the Social Security Administration. We need every veteran to call, write, and email their Senator. The bill is currently in the Senate veterans oversight committee.

Response by David Pena made Apr 3 at 2016 1:35 PM

David Pena — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:35:33 -0400

Smh, a service member that has served enough time to earn a retirement check & is disabled deserves his $$ how ever many times he retired it's earned

Response by PO3 Patrick Lilley made Apr 3 at 2016 1:37 PM

PO3 Patrick Lilley — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:37:03 -0400

They did 20yr they disable and paid into SS what's the problem.it earned and it's their right

Response by PO3 Elizabeth Schuette made Apr 3 at 2016 1:53 PM

PO3 Elizabeth Schuette — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:53:47 -0400

It hard as hell to get that ssi one and they review it often so if you qualify by all means get what society has promised you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2016 2:49 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 14:49:11 -0400

There is no triple dipping. Totally three different programs. DOD retirement is earned not given. VA compensation is a Medical Tort claim that you mediate with the VA if eligible. SSDI is disability insurance for workers who has 10 years plus or meet the points requiments and paid FICA taxes. SSI is disability payment associated with low income. Please learn and educate yourselves on the correct terminology. Take care.

Response by Cpl Lawrence Lavictoire made Apr 3 at 2016 2:58 PM

Cpl Lawrence Lavictoire — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 14:58:24 -0400

I work for a auto manufacture and on the floor there's a "2 star" retired General working for the maintenance dept.

Response by MSgt Joseph Haynes made Apr 3 at 2016 3:28 PM

MSgt Joseph Haynes — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 15:28:12 -0400

Easy to say this when you aren't that age and depending on retirement, VA and Social Security. It isn't that much money. Find a new topic to bitch about.

Response by CPT Joseph K Murdock made Apr 3 at 2016 3:29 PM

CPT Joseph K Murdock — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 15:29:52 -0400

One is for depreciation or retirement in the military. One is for depreciation while in the military. One is for the lessened earnings power.

Response by SN Barbara Coyne made Apr 3 at 2016 4:14 PM

SN Barbara Coyne — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 16:14:04 -0400

Raise your hand if someone (vso or equivalent) offered to apply for benefits and you nah man, give it to someone else who earned it. There were 11% of us who said the others are wrong...are you also not seeking a refund from the IRS and not filing for social security in retirement because you don't need it?

Response by 1SG Alex Rafael J. made Apr 3 at 2016 4:50 PM

1SG Alex Rafael J. — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 16:50:17 -0400

First, if you get pay retirement is because you put 20 or more, if you had the paperwork and VA gives you 70 or more for your injuries you work for it, if the SS gives you disability is because you also paid for it. Stop trying to mess with that, veteran's worked hard to defend our way of life. Why not look at congressman and there wonderful retirement package.

Response by CPL K Wu made Apr 3 at 2016 5:13 PM

CPL K Wu — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:13:37 -0400

I think you should triple Dip because what you made while serving would put you below the poverty line in the civilian world

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2016 5:18 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:18:55 -0400

I know this isn't exactly the same, but Generals who retire after 40 years TIS also see their basic pay go up in retirement from what it was. This upsets some people, but I don't see either of these as cheating the system. To the contrary, it is the system actually working as designed to compensate for dedicated service. People need to stop getting jealous and trying to tear down others simply because they want more themselves.

These vets earned every red cent paid in full by their blood, sweat, and tears, and the people who denigrate them simply do not understand.

Response by MSgt Eric Roseberry made Apr 3 at 2016 5:36 PM

MSgt Eric Roseberry — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:36:53 -0400

Military retirement is an earned benefit. VA disability is earned through sacrifice. SSDI is paid for by the member.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2016 5:37 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:37:21 -0400

What a lot of people don't realize is that you can't make more than 100% than your base pay. Really what is happening is the VA offsets what you don't get from the army, and the more the VA pays you, the less the Army does. Nobody is truly "triple dipping", they are getting what is owed to them for sacrificing their health.

Response by SSG Kevin Senter made Apr 3 at 2016 7:23 PM

SSG Kevin Senter — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 19:23:49 -0400

How is meeting eligibility requirements "triple dipping"? I'm not triple dipping, just getting what's due to me. I get VA disability plus my Active Duty retirement pay as an E6; if I could get my health back to 100% instead of having a 80% disability rating due to combat and service related injuries/ailments I'd give it back in a heartbeat... but not being able to do what I love to do (back country mountain hiking) for more than a few hours due to a bad back and knees isn't worth the money.

Response by SGT Alfredo Rubalcava made Apr 3 at 2016 7:52 PM

SGT Alfredo Rubalcava — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 19:52:26 -0400

Been an airborne sapper and infantryman. I havent doubled or tripled dipped yet. Not sure if i want to make it harder on the system as it is. Though, i can tell you, i got degenerative arthritis literally everywhere, if it wasnt for the medical synthetic marijuana, i would not be walking. At first the army was like yeah right, but when they saw i was more jacked up than i claimed to be, my military career was over at 17 years.

Some of the guys like me at 90% couldnt get connected for other injuries like wrists, elbows, ankles and hips which was mainly from being an airborne sapper. Trust me some of those guys at 100% are far worse than I am. The VA has other programs that can get soldiers into a rehab training program but more than likely youll never get it, because once they see that youre 70% or higher, its a hard case to send you back for job training.

Response by MCPO Katrina Hutcherson made Apr 3 at 2016 9:38 PM

MCPO Katrina Hutcherson — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:38:02 -0400

SSG Private RallyPoint Member I can tell you that my ex husband is a triple dipper and it wasn't difficult at all for him. He was medically retired after he had 3 discs in his lumbar spine fused, no other injuries. He did 26 years riding a desk as a Yeoman with zero sea time and zero deployments. He was medically retired with 30% disability which he has managed to get raised to 60% so he gets a VA disability and his retirement. He also promptly got a social security disability on his first try. My son who was 15 at the time tells me his father made him lie during his testimony for SSD. He claims he can't work because he can't sit for extended periods yet he sits at a computer for hours on end. He also plays golf and basketball, owns three cars including a sports car and goes on regular vacations. I personally think he is a disgrace and have often thought of turning him in. Thankfully, they have made it much more difficult to get SSD now...

Response by SFC Rich Gomez made Apr 3 at 2016 9:46 PM

SFC Rich Gomez — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:46:22 -0400

I draw Army Retired pay, Civil service and SSI, thus, I feel completely comfortable about it as I worked very hard for it all. Could I draw a VA pension also? I don't know and am not interested as I just personally feel there are a lot of young kids out there who have far greater problems and need the help more than I do, now don't get me wrong as I wouldn't be surprised if some of my current illnesses could not tied to my Vietnam time and other issues while I served but I am happy that I have my Tri-Care for Life and Medicare as they take care of all my medical needs and if I want I can go on base and get my groceries and other items,... So, how in the world can I complain, it is all bigger than just me.... You guy's do what you have to do for yourselves I will not judge you in the least and I Salute Each and Everyone of You for Your Service....

Response by CPO Frank Coluccio made Apr 3 at 2016 11:16 PM

CPO Frank Coluccio — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 23:16:00 -0400

So here's a few questions for you:
1. I retired with 22 years so I'm receiving a retirement check. Is that considered the first "dip"?
2. I retired with 30% disability, so I get 30% from the VA. Is that considered the second "dip"?
3. I currently work for the DoJ at a Detention Center, if (when) I retire from there and receive a retirement check from them, is that going to be considered my third "dip"?
and,
4. If I retire with a disability from there, and I get a disability check or compensation for it from them, is that considered a fourth "dip"?

Response by SFC Wade W. made Apr 3 at 2016 11:48 PM

SFC Wade W. — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 23:48:48 -0400

I am a 25 year retiree. I have Idiopathic Parkinsonism. I can no longer work. I am waiting for my SS Disability. If I qualify for VA disability all that will do is make my Annuity Payment (it is not a retirement check) tax free. If I receive more than my Annuity Payment, good for me. I will receive SS Disability because I can no longer work and have been paying into SS since I was 12. These are benefits that I have earned through service, hard work and putting this country before my own well being. Somebody please explain to me why I should not receive everything I believe I should.

Response by SSgt James Brister made Apr 4 at 2016 12:00 AM

SSgt James Brister — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 00:00:23 -0400

I am a 24 year ten months and 4 days Veteran. I earned my retirement, I paid into Social security it is mine I should get it. VA disability is for those who witnessed things most people could never understand we did not ask for this nor the lives it tears apart why loose one or two of these just to get one we have earned.

Response by PO1 Autumn Sandeen made Apr 4 at 2016 2:08 AM

PO1 Autumn Sandeen — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 02:08:24 -0400

There are only about 60K of us who tripple-dip. This isn't as common as people think it is.

As for me, I wish I were heathier. It's not a great trade-off.

Response by SGT Stuart Myers made Apr 4 at 2016 2:20 AM

SGT Stuart Myers — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 02:20:42 -0400

Should we be triple dipping? What a question. I am 100% disabled unemployable, with SSDI. I didn't ask for this. It was given that way. If it was my choice I would put those boots back on and ask for one more round on the ground. The pain I live with isn't fixed with a greenback at any level. Injections, pt, all the meds that make you forget your name. What kind of post I'd this? It is full of negative connotations and insinuates we are doing something illegal or unethical. I wouldn't wish this life on anyone. You think receiving $3400 a month is living? Do the math your going no where forever. I gave it my best is what I keep telling myself. Was it worth it? Always! The money, well you only hope they don't pass a bill and cut it cause its all you get forever. Here is another so called dipping for you. My wife went and registered as my in home care giver like she was instructed to do! Now she gets $259 more a month. Quadruple dipping. You going to come help her bathe me everyday? Reality sucks for some of us. Why don't you go after a congressman who makes well over $100,000 yr in retirement. Thanks for caring.

Response by SCPO Paul Jackson made Apr 4 at 2016 2:37 AM

SCPO Paul Jackson — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 02:37:16 -0400

I'm not a triple dipper, however, if you have sacrificed yourself and meet the Givernments prerequisites for the programs, you deserve what is offered, period end of sentence. Haters will hate and assholes will be assholes!! Quite frankly fuck the haters and assholes!! Most are probably wannabe heroes who pole smoked their way into leadership positions.

Response by SN Stephanie Kalna-Sanders made Apr 4 at 2016 2:44 AM

SN Stephanie Kalna-Sanders — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 02:44:15 -0400

My husband is a MASC(Ret). The military rates him at 90%. He would love to be out there busting his ass working. However, his severe lower back problems make it impossible. He's prone to back spasms that I've personally seen drop him to his knees. He suffers from migraines that only let up after he's slept in total darkness for up to 16 hrs. He had to fight SS for nearly 2 years for compensation that they freely give to crackheads,etc. I made him fight. He didn't want to do it. He paid into SS since he was 16. He serve this country for 25 years and would have gone on to 30. However,it was physically impossible for him to do it. So, anyone who thinks he doesn't deserve what he gets. You can tell him that when you've walked in his boots.

Response by Sgt Andrew Terlaje made Apr 4 at 2016 3:43 AM

Sgt Andrew Terlaje — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 03:43:37 -0400

I didn't appreciate the "rot in hell" quote from a Master Chief Petty Officer in the Navy. Be thankful that you have your health! For ret/vets like myself, the money isn't everything. I would rather be 100 percent healthy than have a rating of 100 percent! My 100 percent is still employable as per Social Security. So Master Chief, you must want me to quit my OPM job and just rely on retired pay and VA compensation? My family comes first sorry. Now if we rate it, then we all should receive it! This is just my opinion'

Response by Sgt William Barr made Apr 4 at 2016 4:46 AM

Sgt William Barr — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 04:46:01 -0400

yes the gov't is racking in millions. The vets worked hard for what they get. I'm 90% VA and 10% unemployable and don't get SSA not dead enough

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2016 6:50 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 06:50:58 -0400

The few "triple dippers" I know are not living loves of luxury nor of comfort in the lap of luxury. Inane comments like this are from obviously uneducated (on this matter) asshats who have nothing better than to whine over "what somebody else got". Hey, bub, what they did to qualify wasn't fun or even a preferred situation, given the choice. STFU, and be thankful for their service and sacrifice.

Response by PO1 Robin Casper made Apr 4 at 2016 8:33 AM

PO1 Robin Casper — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 08:33:05 -0400

What bothers me is being a 20 year retired member with a 40% disability rating that should be more and having my disability taken from my retirement pay! No other place does this, I know the changes were made for those 50% and higher can get both. Commendable but it should apply to all no matter what the rating.

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Apr 4 at 2016 8:41 AM

MSgt Wayne Morris — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 08:41:42 -0400

I would rather see troops that can qualify get all they can rather than those who get all their taxes paid back plus thousands more thanks to "Earned Income". Zeroing out I can see, but getting more than you paid in; no wonder there is not enough bucks to go around.

Response by MSG Jay Jackson made Apr 4 at 2016 1:48 PM

MSG Jay Jackson — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:48:15 -0400

I think most hit it on the head... If you did your time and made it to retirement or got hurt and left early then you get the prize. Most in the military spend their best years manning the walls of democracy and doing what needs to be done for the next generation. It's a shame that when things get tight that our own citizens would want to cut or take away what was promised. I say get all you can if you earned it. If you lie and scheme to get more benefits then I hope karma finds you!

Response by SPC Michael Luna made Apr 4 at 2016 4:24 PM

SPC Michael Luna — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 16:24:28 -0400

I'm in the process of a double dipping attempt.
I finally got rated 100% a 2 years ago (total & permanent).
I am now on the process of an appeal for SSI.
For approximately 8 years, I struggled financially due to not being able to work.
When I quit working, I was drawing $600/month.
My wife worked and I stayed home with our son.
I'm still trying to dig myself out of a financial whole.
I should have been rated total disabled when I got kicked out 25 years ago.
It was nightmare for me fighting the VA.
I fought while fucking fuckheads scammed the system for 100% and still held full time jobs.
I am not referring to everyone, so don't get your feelings hurt.
There are some that know how to work the system fraudulently.
I do take issue with full retirement and getting 100%, and then SSI on top?
But if you can sleep at night, more power to you I guess.

Response by CSM (Ret) Julio Candelario made Apr 4 at 2016 5:08 PM

CSM (Ret) Julio Candelario — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 17:08:26 -0400

The sacrifices and injuries some veterans have deserve this and more. I dont even understand why this is a subject anyways. If you meet the requirements justified by medical personnel be my guess and enjoy life to the fullest. You deserve it!!!

Response by SGT Steven Townsend made Apr 4 at 2016 5:29 PM

SGT Steven Townsend — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 17:29:53 -0400

I am Triple Dipping Also!!

Response by SSgt John Hutto made Apr 4 at 2016 7:16 PM

SSgt John Hutto — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 19:16:29 -0400

sorry, some of us actually served in war time and sacrificed our bodies for uncle sam, not just our physical health but our mental health. so who ever wrote this little article must not have ever deployed. not only did we sacrifice all that, but we sacrificed relationships with our family.SO YEAH WE DESERVE IT AND THEN SOME! SO YEAH TRIPLE DIP, MORE POWER TO YA! so the next guy thats wants to complain about triple dipping, go jump in an ice cold lake and drown yourself!!!

Response by SPC Andre Rosedale made Apr 4 at 2016 9:27 PM

SPC Andre Rosedale — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:27:58 -0400

I am a Clinton's army vet. No rating, no retirement, no SSI. I don't deserve any of it. But the combat vets, the retirees and the disabled deserve way more than the triple dip check provides. I interact with vets everyday at my job and see so many cases of them getting the short end for the sacrifices they made.

Response by SGT Kevin Gaona made Apr 4 at 2016 10:00 PM

SGT Kevin Gaona — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 22:00:18 -0400

If legitimate medical personnel determine that you deserve, need, earned, etc. these benefits, then those Veterans should absolutely get them. Why would be expect those Veterans who paid a higher price than the rest of us to live at, or below, the poverty level? And that's where many end up! If you don't believe me, go check out the homeless! Many of them are Veterans. Sure, there are some who abuse the system(s). But that's not reason enough to judge all Veterans for those rotten apples!

Response by SCPO Charles Steinbrook made Apr 4 at 2016 10:42 PM

SCPO Charles Steinbrook — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 22:42:44 -0400

If you meet the qualifications to receive multiple types of compensation I don't see the issue. How can you be "scamming" if the entities that make the rules determine that you are qualified to be a "double" or even "triple" dipper? How is this any different than big businesses or wealthy individuals receiving tax breaks or using loopholes that are in place that others don't get. You will never have rules and regulations that will please everyone. It's a fact, there will always be someone getting more or less than someone else. I for one am thankful for my retirement pay and VA disability payments. I earned them. With cost of living these days, fortunately, it covers my monthly expenses.

Response by SSG Dudley Hall made Apr 4 at 2016 10:52 PM

SSG Dudley Hall — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 22:52:14 -0400

Who cares I get my retirement from the army, the va pays my disability which I think is fair because of all the shit asked of me and givin by me for this country and since I paid my ssi tax my whole working life from 16 to 18 at my jobs while still in high school then my 25 yrs active duty plus my 2 yrs as a defense contractor and from my part time job I think that my ssi should be mine instead of given to those who didn't earn my money meaning any one else but me son any one who says different can kiss my ass

Response by Cpl Eric Dunn made Apr 5 at 2016 1:51 AM

Cpl Eric Dunn — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 01:51:13 -0400

As a veteran, and combat Marine, when I joined, I was assured that I would be taken care of. I got laid off last year and when I talked to the VA, I was told I was ineligible for benefits. When is this acceptable?

Response by SGT Jesse Sizemore made Apr 5 at 2016 4:40 AM

SGT Jesse Sizemore — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 04:40:38 -0400

Yes, as a servvice member you pay for all of those disability protections and the retirement also. Additionally your pay is frozen other than COLA adjustments; no more promotions. Of course one should make more in retirment than before retirement. I know I plan to. With my civilian and guard pension, and social security, I will see an increase in myincome at retirement. However, I have worked at a suppressed wage; trusting that the government invest require amount to fund my pension.

Response by SGT Jason Hartnett made Apr 5 at 2016 5:36 AM

SGT Jason Hartnett — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 05:36:05 -0400

I am try to triple dip.

Response by CMSgt Mark Lewis made Apr 5 at 2016 6:35 AM

CMSgt Mark Lewis — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 06:35:26 -0400

Military Retirement - sacrificed time, effort, family = earned
VA Disabaility - sacrificed body and mind (sometimes soul) = earned
Social Security Insurance - paid in over working lifetime = earned
Social Security Disability Insurance - body broken and financially qualify = earned

Response by 1SG Rodney Simpson made Apr 5 at 2016 10:38 AM

1SG Rodney Simpson — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 10:38:28 -0400

I'll add to this discussion. I spent 27 years in the Army, and was honored to do it. So, I'm over fifty when I retire, I have sleep apnea, missing a lone of my right lung, have bilateral anurrisms, a bad back, knees and ankles. I could fall over dead tomorrow, not supposed to lift anything over thirty pounds and if I drive for more than ten minutes, my right leg is killing me. I have a 70% rating. I have been told it should be higher, made the mistake of filling an appeal and after two years of waiting they send me a packet telling me to beg a little more. I'll not do it. The VA medically great, admin is horrible!!!

Response by MSG David Knight made Apr 5 at 2016 10:49 AM

MSG David Knight — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 10:49:59 -0400

Let me see, I receive a full retirement from the U.S. Army and the Postal Service and will pull Social Security beginning June, so I guess my answer has to be yes, however there has to be some limit. Would it be unreasonable to limit total Federal benefits to say $6K a month? I cannot say where the limit should be, but America cannot sustain some of the entitlement payments.

Response by SFC Jeff Gurchinoff made Apr 5 at 2016 11:05 AM

SFC Jeff Gurchinoff — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 11:05:16 -0400

I had a big long rant, but really I could care less. If you try screwing the system you may succeed but you have to look in the mirror at yourself every day. I don't have to look at you. Vets get screwed lets not make it worse by pointing at other vets and saying why is that guy getting less screwed than the rest of us. Really? come on man.

Response by PO2 Edward Shelton made Apr 5 at 2016 11:17 AM

PO2 Edward Shelton — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 11:17:50 -0400

If you qualify, then you qualify. I wouldn't call it "triple dipping".

Response by SFC Robert White made Apr 5 at 2016 11:38 AM

SFC Robert White — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 11:38:42 -0400

I agree if you qualify do it. I know I am 2 of those catagories right now. and living with pain everyday sucks.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2016 12:27 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 12:27:16 -0400

If it's allowed to you. You should be able to receive it.

Response by CPO John Hopkins made Apr 5 at 2016 4:08 PM

CPO John Hopkins — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 16:08:10 -0400

Retirement is an earned benefit...for serving at least 20 years of active service...in combat and in peace. There are a few who were allowed to retire, at a reduced rate, short of 20 years service, but that was legislated by Congress. VA benefits also are paid, for disabilities incurred during that service....even if short of 20 years, and not receiving retirement. They are two separate benefits. I have been retired for 15 years now, and am receiving VA disability, and now SSI Disability. I originally received 40%, for both my knees, my back, high blood pressure, and chronic sinus problems...each were rated at 10%, but they use 'fuzzy' math, and they added up to 40% according to the VA. I also got 0% rated for hearing (flight deck) and hemmorhoids.
Well, VA benefits can be increased if they worsen after service....my knee's were each upgraded from 10% each to 30% each after knee replacement surgery (the doctors don't want to do this surgery for folks under 50, if they can avoid it) and sleep apnea gave me an extra 50....but somehow 50% and 30% and another 30% and 10% (back), 10% (blood pressure), and 10% (sinuses) only 'add up' to 80% for compensation purposes. (Knee replacement does give you a temporary 13 month 100% disability...so I'm waiting to be declared "Permanent and Total"
Also the high blood pressure has since evolved into diabetes (type II) and the hemorrhoids into colon cancer....waiting for the the VA to finish that claim.

Sadly, I'd like to be able to go back to work....but the surgeries, chemo, follow-on care, and then upcoming surgeries to remove some of the 'add-on's' associated with chemo and the colon surgery, have my dance card kinda full. Luckily, I was able to qualify for SSDI, so that now makes me a triple-dipper...but didn't we all pay into SSI and Medicare while on Active Duty? I know I saw these deductions on my LES. So, SSDI is a benefit we paid for and I have to know, what is the complaint for a person receiving it? I'll admit the combination of my Retirement Pay, VA disability, and now my SSDI allow me to live and keep my standard of living...I had to leave a job that paid me $80K @ year...and transfer my 401K to an IRA...and exercise some stock options and divest myself of some others. Frankly, I'd rather not have the artificial knee's and not have had cancer...I'd still be at work in a job I loved.

Response by TSgt Julie Miller made Apr 5 at 2016 5:49 PM

TSgt Julie Miller — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 17:49:51 -0400

I am a retired female. When I retired I applied for VA Disability based on my current medical issues. I was told I was denied because all my issues self-resolved. to me this is a slap in the face to the women who serve faithfully. As for those who have real issues that cause them to live in daily pain or wind up with lifelong health issues as a direct result of serving and it impacts their quality of life or ability to work/live independently, then my answer is yes, let them get what they deserve. For those who don't deserve it, no.

We have way too many coming home from duty in hostile war zones who will never be the same. Some who will never be able to walk again or work again. They volunteered themselves to uphold and defend our American way. They were not conscripted and do deserve the right to live in safe homes with the benefits they deserve.

Response by CW2 Ernest Krutzsch made Apr 5 at 2016 5:50 PM

CW2 Ernest Krutzsch — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 17:50:58 -0400

Are you triple dipping if you take a mortgage deduction, child care credit and charity deduction on your taxes? Make it illegal, the we will agree, otherwise it's legal and I'll take advantage, they took advantage of me for 26 years after all. I was surely not paid what I was worth or what I sacrificed, so for the CPO that wishes we rot in hell, wait til you're here

Response by SFC Bruce Scott made Apr 5 at 2016 6:21 PM

SFC Bruce Scott — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 18:21:49 -0400

military service really pays off if you complete 20+ yrs, receive retirement compensation and find employment that allows you to earn a living and retire at 60, 65, or even 70. You'd collect military retirement compensation, TSP payout, civ 401k / pension & civ IRA along with Soc Security. Throw a Svc connected disability into the mix and you subtract the civilian IRA, 401k / pension from the earnings equation. So some one who receives mil retirement, VA disability, SSDI (disability from the doc security folks), and the unemployability "stipend" is barely making as much as if the vet had worked an additional 20, 25 yrs post Svc. Plus the spouse may not have been able to earn Soc Sec as they are often primary care giver.

Response by SGT Zac Roberts made Apr 5 at 2016 8:02 PM

SGT Zac Roberts — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 20:02:21 -0400

I don't know peoples' situations so those who need, got it. If you don't need and you do go for the money then you're no better than a lazy welfare junky.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2016 8:19 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 20:19:59 -0400

The term "triple dipping" is misleading and offensive to those who have given 20 or more years of their lives and sustained combat-related injuries. Receiving benefits can either be legal or fraudulent. There is no middle ground. This term implies an older/elderly veteran with combat-related injuries should feel ashamed about receiving contract-bound entitlements and recompense for work-related injuries that have caused negative and life-altering handicaps. If you're really concerned someone is fraudulently collecting benefits they are not entitled to, report it.

Response by SFC Stephen Steed made Apr 5 at 2016 11:44 PM

SFC Stephen Steed — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 23:44:43 -0400

I receive Retirement, VA disability and Deceased spouse SSI benefits.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Apr 7 at 2016 9:04 AM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 09:04:03 -0400

You earn it - you deserve it. They didn't make the rules.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2016 9:18 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 09:18:44 -0400

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Response by MSG Donald Bedford made Apr 7 at 2016 10:00 AM

MSG Donald Bedford — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 10:00:16 -0400

I am a 59 year old retired vet, I am getting retired pay, 100% VA and SSDI

Response by Cpl Jimmy Taylor made Apr 7 at 2016 4:49 PM

Cpl Jimmy Taylor — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 16:49:28 -0400

If you can do it with welfare, state assistance and get SSI because you are to lazy to get a job then veterans that rate the money by meeting the standards should be left alone.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2016 5:07 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 17:07:21 -0400

I seriously hope I meet the requirements. I did over 25 years, 75 months of deployments, 6 surgeries on the left shoulder and arm, 3 neck and 4 hip and lower back procedures, knee operation, one on the left foot, and two on the right foot, not counting the nerve damage, aches and pains, bumps and bruises. Who cares if it's more than what I earned. I've paid out over $3K in dental bills, and about $500 in medical Co payments. I need an aid. Triple dipping. There is no price you can set on pain and suffering

Response by SFC Niles Heggie made Apr 7 at 2016 7:24 PM

SFC Niles Heggie — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 19:24:16 -0400

Most Veterans gave their 100% in everything. They now deserve 100% support if qualified , and Medically not all injuries received are treatable through the VA System. If you can no longer be in public making a living due to their injuries, how are they going to survive?

Response by PO1 Scott Cottrell made Apr 7 at 2016 8:57 PM

PO1 Scott Cottrell — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 20:57:11 -0400

If they qualify, go for it.

Response by MSgt Gloria Vance made Apr 8 at 2016 12:10 AM

MSgt Gloria Vance — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 00:10:51 -0400

Wow.... Triple dipper. Didn't know they had a name for it. I know a triple dipper... You don't want to trade places with him. For all you vets trying to work with the VA and your ratings, please check the Veterans Benefit Network (VBN). These vets know their way around and in the VA. Some have even worked in the VA as rating personnel. They know more of the VA than anyone I have ever met!!! Great bunch of vets!!!

Response by CPL Brent Johnsson made Apr 8 at 2016 12:13 AM

CPL Brent Johnsson — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 00:13:55 -0400

I have everything except the SSDI. I could get it with my qualifications. I'm medically retired by the Army and T&P 100% by the VA. Triple dipping isn't a issue with me if it's justified. If you are a veteran it's not even an issue with me about triple dipping.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2016 4:38 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 04:38:27 -0400

Each case is different - where is your integrity ?

Response by TSgt Jim McGill made Apr 8 at 2016 1:04 PM

TSgt Jim McGill — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:04:58 -0400

Not anymore. I was medically retired in 2010 from the military with a 50% rating. When the VA FINALLY gave me a rating of 80% I qualified for concurrent receipt.

Response by TSgt Jim McGill made Apr 8 at 2016 1:10 PM

TSgt Jim McGill — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:10:35 -0400

Also it took me 5 years bit starting this month I start receiving SSDI but I was turned down 5 times at first and then this time around I had to make a compromise with the judge and lose all my back pay

Response by LCpl Mark Riley made Apr 8 at 2016 1:20 PM

LCpl Mark Riley — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:20:07 -0400

We all signed that check that blank check some of us do deserve to cash it for a larger amount

Response by SFC Keith Ciancio made Apr 8 at 2016 4:12 PM

SFC Keith Ciancio — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 16:12:47 -0400

So for the 12% who vote "you should not make more retired than you did serving", you are obviously too stupid to comprehend to comprehend that which you opine upon. I will break this down for you:

Military retirement: this is not an entitlement, but rather future earnings under a defined benefit plan that is funded entirely through employer contributions. You know, the kind of pensions companies paid before the advent of the 401k defined contribution retirement plans of our parents, ourselves, and future generations. Only 17% of those who enlisted prior to the recent overhaul would ever serve long enough to collect a retirement. In theory, the other 87% is reinvested to continue drawing interest to pay the 17% who retire. In practice, the 87% gets reprogramed to fund other programs...raided just like Social (in)Security. When that money is transferred out, well, the fund can't earn dividends on $0, hence Congress' argument that the current system is insolvent...because they made it that way! So where do the annual deposits come from? Prior to 1984, retirement was paid on a "pay as you go" basis. In 1984, it switched to accrual funding. This means that the DOD apportions a certain amount equal to a percentage of total base pay into the retirement fund from total annual MILPERS account funding. In other words, retired pay has already been earned, but you don't vest until you are retirement eligible. To find out more, visit http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB3005/index1.html.

Disability: Instead of costly and lengthy litigation to be made whole for loss of enjoyment of life, recovery of pain and suffering, and other damages arising from personal injury claims in all other species of employment in America, Congress has decided to essentially admit government liability for someone leaving the service less whole than when they enlisted. This is not an entitlement either, but a liquidation of damages pursuant to a contract having been executed and one party winding up at a disadvantage. Retirement and disability can be viewed together on a Venn diagram: one can be disabled and not retired, one can be retired and not disabled, or one can be both retired and disabled. Apples and oranges. One should not offset the other, yet once upon a time Congress decided it could steal more money from the retirement account if it offset retired pay with disability compensation. Would you ever have your retired pay from Boeing or Ford offset by long-term disability compensation? NO! So what made Congress think it should do that to us? Simply put, because it could. Since then, Congress has decided that this was too unfair, but to get a change passed, it struck a 50% threshold compromise to avoid a $2.8B annual payout from the retirement account.

SSI: I am not going to debate this with anyone. Social Security is funded 50% by us, and 50% by the employer. Again, not an entitlement, but a return on investment.

Soooo...let the arguments begin. By the way, if this enlisted man can get it, there is no reason for anyone else not to get it, other than that they think it is unfair to justly compensate those who broke their bodies for the benefit of the ignorant ones. For the responding 12% in the survey I broke this down for, well, my language toward you is unfit for a "civil" discussion forum such as this, and my contempt for you is boundless. All I can say to that is that I broke my body and mind for the other 88%.

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Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2016 5:02 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 17:02:41 -0400

Eligibility is there for a reason

Response by PO3 Darin Scherer made Apr 8 at 2016 7:47 PM

PO3 Darin Scherer — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 19:47:50 -0400

I got a Navy retirement after seven years. Get 100% from the VA and SSI. But I did get crushed by an M-60 tank onboard my landing craft. The scars are pretty wicked, my best ASSet is now gone. I think I deserve it.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2016 12:35 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 00:35:29 -0400

I believe once you have served you should have those benefits because of the sacrifices and the way we are treated by civilians at the VA only Veterans can take care of Veterans

Response by SSG Ricky Findley made Apr 9 at 2016 1:50 AM

SSG Ricky Findley — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 01:50:23 -0400

I just had my I claim approved in January. Getting ready for my SSI exam in two weeks. I won't be drawing retirement pay for another 10 years. That being said, and I am being sincere about this...I would gladly give it all up if I could just feel normal again. I lost several jobs, my marriage, my home to foreclosure and my military career due to PTSD. I have my pride and it kills me to feel the way I do. I feel like everyone threw me to the side of the road like trash, and that was after earning a Masters degree after I came back. I did everything I was supposed to, gave more than I had, and for what? Meaningless pieces of paper on the wall? If I'm lucky, I get to see my son a few times a month. I have become increasingly anti-social, even afraid to sleep my own bed for fear of what may happen while I am asleep. Yeah I go to the VA, yeah they give me meds. Still, I look at all of these accomplishments and feel like I did it all for nothing. Even worse, I feel guilty about saying anything because others out there are worse off. Just wondering, how exactly should I feel after all this? I really don't know anymore.

Response by SGT Michael Land made Apr 9 at 2016 2:11 AM

SGT Michael Land — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 02:11:45 -0400

Technically you don't have to have the 20 years service time; a medical retirement will allow you to do this as well.

Response by PO2 Trevis Williams made Apr 9 at 2016 5:14 AM

PO2 Trevis Williams — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 05:14:44 -0400

If you died in combat, you would be a number. All the BS aside only your family, fellow service members who knew you would give a fq. To the Government it's an SGLI payout. So fqem. Get what's coming to you if you came home, especially less than what you left. I love my country, if she loves me back, pay me bish.
MM2ss

Response by 1SG Colin Greene made Apr 9 at 2016 6:12 AM

1SG Colin Greene — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 06:12:27 -0400

Quit hating and step your game up by serving. Be a veteran you'll share the same understanding we do. God bless our haters!!!

Response by PO3 Michael Bahas made Apr 9 at 2016 6:25 AM

PO3 Michael Bahas — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 06:25:53 -0400

I think they all should be allowed to triple dip, they earned it with thier lives, go complain elsewhere, smh

Response by GySgt Cheryl Cooper made Apr 9 at 2016 7:56 AM

GySgt Cheryl Cooper — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 07:56:52 -0400

Well here comes my weigh in on this. If you did 20 years you rate your retirement pay. If along the way you had disability created by the military service then you earned the VA disability pay. If those disabilities are keeping you from work and you qualified for SSD then the thing that you need to know is that was earned also. SSD is the same as your full SSA retirement meaning that is what you already paid into the system and you are drawing it earlier because you are now disabled. And SSI is a total different program that is the State funded for those that didn't work or didn't work enough to pull a certain amount (based off each State, Idaho is $733 per month maxed). So with that if it was earned then why do we get bent out of shape they are triple dipping? Retirement =earned, VA rating=earned, SSD= earned.

Response by SFC James Monigold made Apr 9 at 2016 10:52 AM

SFC James Monigold — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 10:52:49 -0400

People on welfare make more money and get more benefits. Illegals get assistant and they have never served. I say go for it....

Response by SFC Dennis Morton made Apr 9 at 2016 1:27 PM

SFC Dennis Morton — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 13:27:34 -0400

I don't know how you could qualify for SSI if you are drawing retirenent. Retired pay should put you over the income level to qualify. SSI is for low income ppl.

Response by SFC Thomas Gibson made Apr 9 at 2016 1:33 PM

SFC Thomas Gibson — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 13:33:07 -0400

It no business of anyone what someone gets or doesn't get. If they qualify for the payment and get it good for them.

Response by TSgt Marie Pintar made Apr 9 at 2016 4:09 PM

TSgt Marie Pintar — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 16:09:20 -0400

I served 20 years and I'm 90% disabled. I haven't applied for ssi because I don't need it. But I wanted to to say, having disability has nothing to do with retirement.

Response by PO3 Jason Buys made Apr 9 at 2016 4:10 PM

PO3 Jason Buys — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 16:10:39 -0400

Response by SGT Stanley Bass made Apr 9 at 2016 11:44 PM

SGT Stanley Bass — Sat, 09 Apr 2016 23:44:57 -0400

Finally one right up my ally and i don't have to worry about not making it sound like it is all about me. Because it isn't just about me. I was happy to ETS in 2003, tried to ETS, was told I could not just ETS because of my disability. 2 1/2 years later in 2005. I get out on a medical 30% from Army. 12 months later (2006) i get my Va 40%. So I don't qualify to get Army retirement since my VA is more, I apply for SSDI in 2007 and am denied because I can work. in 2012 after constant refiling I get 80 % and IU (Individual unemployablilty) from the VA. In 2014 I again file for SSDI and am told by social security that While I may be disabled by VA standards, I am not disabled by Sociel Security standards. However with IU, I am not allowed to work or i will forfeit more than half of my pay because I will be working. Besides I get IU because I am unable to keep a job due to my disabilities for more than 12 months consecutive. forward to 2016 after two denials and getting a lawyer I finally have a shot at SSDI. I will find out in June 2016. For the Record I am Service connected for Right eye blindness, by lateral panyuveituse, right hand, left elbow, both knees, both ankles, my back, right shoulder, both feet. But the State hinks I can work. I got no problem getting what I earned and deserve after being deployed overseas 3 times, serving in Desert storm, Korea, and Kuwait before and after 9/11. And more power to any of my brothers and sisters in Arms for getting anything they can get. Also what is neglected and not mentioned is you get Military Retirement, then you get VA it is all the same, If your VA is 1200 and you opt to get military retirement at say 600. You wil get 600 from Military retirement (taxable) and 600 from VA disability non taxable. Unless you do the smart thing and plan for the long term, knowing you will get more from the VA and waive all rights to Military retirement as I did.

Response by TSgt Charles Hinds made Apr 10 at 2016 12:45 AM

TSgt Charles Hinds — Sun, 10 Apr 2016 00:45:13 -0400

They should change the requirements.

Response by SFC Michael Arellano made Apr 10 at 2016 11:36 AM

SFC Michael Arellano — Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:36:41 -0400

You'd have to be pretty torn up medically to qualify. I'd rather have my health than money. I'm sure the recipients would too. Look how healthy of mind and body one is when they join up. Then look at what military life did to those bodies and their mind. You are exiting, older, less healthy, lost ground to civilians because of the time you spent in service....so if u qualify enjoy it!

Response by Cpl Christofer Baines made Apr 10 at 2016 11:39 AM

Cpl Christofer Baines — Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:39:49 -0400

If you have a hard time functioning because of your service, you deserve anything you qualify for as promised to you as an American Veteran. I think the small percentage shows a lot of our warriors who got shot, blasted, crashed, burned, run over and otherwise gave their best years to their country. They deserve to be taken care of, and I think we need to do a much better job. These men and women deserve our support. All gave some, but some gave all, you know? There is fraud out there, but triple dipping through qualification does not appear to be it.

Response by PO2 Jason Youngberg made Apr 10 at 2016 11:42 AM

PO2 Jason Youngberg — Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:42:07 -0400

I'm not triple dipping, but I'm going to add my two cents. I was medically discharged after serving 9 years and 3 days, and have a 90% disability rating from the VA. I'm in constant pain, but still work. Sometimes I feel guilty about drawing such a high rating, when there are others out there that deserve the same, or more. But then I have days like this past Tuesday, when I got in my car after work, and it took me 5 minutes just to shut the door because I couldn't reach the handle. Then I got home and dreaded the fact that I had to go up the three steps on my front porch. My family has told me repeatedly to file for SSDI, but at 38, I just don't feel right about doing that, so I continue to work. I'm sure there's a small percentage that take advantage and scam the system, but I'm sure there's a much higher percentage of guys in my shoes, that suck it up and keep marching forward.

Response by PO1 Jerome Sorg made Apr 10 at 2016 6:22 PM

PO1 Jerome Sorg — Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:22:53 -0400

I gave all I had!!! Got out and hid my disability from all employers. Worked for three different employers drawing pensions from all three. At 55 could no longer work because doctors and employer thought I was a hazard in the work place. Went on Social Security disability. Finally went to VA they said You are 100% where have you been I earned it and do not feel bad for getting every penny. I have been in pain and with my health conditions that were present the day I was discharged could die any day. I have fought the battle do not hold this against me now. I did what I could as long as I could I earned everything I get and suffer for it everyday.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2016 7:06 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Apr 2016 19:06:01 -0400

SSI is a benefit for the blind, disabled or over 65 who meet the poverty requirements. I believe you mean disability benefit (SSDI) which we (those who work) pay into. The poverty limit is very low, so very few vets will quallify for ssi.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Apr 10 at 2016 10:16 PM

MSgt John McGowan — Sun, 10 Apr 2016 22:16:19 -0400

If you are service connected the VA picks up the spouse's medical just like the vets. You get a ID card and go on base for shopping so I don't get the SSI. But I am talking -100 per cent. My Dad was from WW2. I think George W signed it into law around 2001, not at all sure. Same time TFL came into being. The VA usually doesn't tell people this information. It like most all things military, you find it out by yourself. Unless you are doing something wrong.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2016 1:13 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Apr 2016 01:13:18 -0400

You could get 70% disability for five years and then find out you have to pay back all your drill pay because they call it double dipping. I recieve disability because of the run in with the cops and the almost loss of my family. Now that it is becoming more stable I have to pay back 5 years of drill pay because I can't claim drill pay with disability. I didn't ask for disability compensation I asked for help with my life after two stressful deployments. Now I pay back the money I earned doing drills and dealing with snot nosed privates with no respect anymore. 18 years and out sounds really good. Sad

Response by SFC Bob Laverick made Apr 11 at 2016 2:07 AM

SFC Bob Laverick — Mon, 11 Apr 2016 02:07:06 -0400

We paid for the insurance through payroll deductions. I worked a second job on weekends most of my time in the military, paying more money into SSI/SSDI.

Response by PO3 Darin Scherer made Apr 11 at 2016 6:48 AM

PO3 Darin Scherer — Mon, 11 Apr 2016 06:48:35 -0400

I get all three due to an injury 30+ years ago. Navy retirement, 100% VA rating, and SSDI. I think that I deserve it.

Response by SGT Jayson Mocarsky made Apr 11 at 2016 8:24 AM

SGT Jayson Mocarsky — Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:24:58 -0400

My goal and dream if you will was to do at least 20 years. But after 8 years and thyroid cancer and 5 knee surgeries and blowing out my shoulders and back and multiple other health issues. I got medically retired. I had to fight for everything I got. While some talked crap behind my back and said I was faking the people who actually knew me showed support. But it really destroyed me. My whole life I dreamed of joining. and it all came to an end. I'm only glad that I was able to get what I get now. I got 30% from the army and 90% from the VA and I collect CRSC and SSD. and I thank god for it everyday because I can't function like I used too.and I had to fight for it all. They don't just hand it out. But too all the ones who cast stones I only hope you never get hurt or sick to the point where you need to utilize these services and get scrutinized by everyone you meet.

Response by SSG Charles Jordan made Apr 12 at 2016 1:25 AM

SSG Charles Jordan — Tue, 12 Apr 2016 01:25:40 -0400

I think it should be if you where making a career out of the military and where med boarded out, then you should be able to get your retirement. I think the 20 year crap is stupid. I have 15 years in the military and was injured and being combat wounded, I should be able to receive my retirement. I am total and permanent with the VA. Any thoughts

Response by SPC Leonard Winkler made Apr 12 at 2016 7:54 AM

SPC Leonard Winkler — Tue, 12 Apr 2016 07:54:59 -0400

Anyone who has to deal with the pain and agony that it takes to even qualify for this is in my book only getting a small portion of what they deserve anyway. I too am a disabled vet and let me tell ya after losing a house and many jobs by trying to make ends meet while dealing with the pain that it is hard. It took me 10yrs to even beet my IU and another state (I moved back home to Ky) to get my SSDI so hats off to anyone who can get the triple dip ice cream and you deserve it for what you gave and much more.

Response by TSgt Brian Wyngaert made Apr 25 at 2016 12:23 PM

TSgt Brian Wyngaert — Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:23:18 -0400

One thing that everyone has to remember is that SSDI rates you as yes or no, if get yes you are disabled and can not work very much. You can work a little bit not not alot. The VA rates you from 0-100% and you can work. Now in the VA if you are over 70% you can apply for unemployable status. Now SSDI is also loser on some things than the VA, like mine for instance. I have MS and the VA rates as 30% I think it can go up depending how bad you get, like wheel chair bound and stuff like that, but SSDI considers it bad enough that you are disabled.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 4:36 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:36:44 -0400

Why not? Many have earned it and with all of those who suffer from PTSD, many can not go back into the civilian workforce. So if they rate it, let them have it. They more than earned it.

Response by 1SG Ernesto Riverarodriguez made Sep 13 at 2016 5:49 AM

1SG Ernesto Riverarodriguez — Tue, 13 Sep 2016 05:49:31 -0400

As long as Everything was properly earned and all documents in order I don't feel Guilty after seen duffle Bags of my Tax dollars given to afghans to build clinics that got blown up to pieces the next day.

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Sep 15 at 2016 2:16 PM

CWO4 Tim Hecht — Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:16:59 -0400

Although I joke when I say it, I could have been a quintuple "dipper" except that I took a lump sum payout from my TSP instead of monthly checks.

I spent 30 years on active duty, retired in 2001 and was given an 80% disability rating by the VA for bad knees, coronary artery disease, cervical and lumbar spine issues, apnea, and carpal tunnel issues. Although I didn't like to think I was "disabled" I had things that were going to give me problems later in life...

Well I went to work as a Customs and Border Protection Officer - yes, I was able to pass their physical fitness standards; but over the course of the next 10 years I had to have surgery to fuse two cervical vertebrae, bi-lateral knee replacement, and two cardiac stents installed. Guess it became later in life.

In April 2014 I had a "significant" heart attack according to the cardiologist. When asked when I could return to work he said "never."

All earned; I received my military pension (well half, the ex-wife gets her FSPA 50%), CBP Retirement - that I paid into from my pay, 100% permanent and total VA disability, and SSDI - which I also paid into Social Security for 50 years...

So yes, I'm entitled to it; I paid my dues for it, and I would much rather be able to work and have a job instead of trying to stay healthy enough to enjoy life. Anyone want to take the 9 different medications I have to rake daily?

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made Oct 24 at 2016 7:47 PM

CSM Andrew Perrault — Mon, 24 Oct 2016 19:47:40 -0400

When the Military sends one in harms way or do whatever and you are injured or hurt the military has an obligation to fix it/compensate for life...... God bless all of us that deal with pain or disabilities from our service.

Response by MSG Robert Mills made Feb 1 at 2017 10:31 AM

MSG Robert Mills — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 10:31:42 -0500

Tripple Dipping, that is a misguided statement by people that either do not know a lot of things or are whiners. here is a few of those things: ONE: Service under contract that is completed honorably which soldiers receive a certain amount of pay per month and ohh BTW if you complete 20 or more years in this service you "qualify for retirement for that service" in-which you will relieve a percentage of money for the work and rank you yourself achieve. TWO: VA benefits which you can not claim until you actually leave the service and are considered a veteran under the federal definition of the word, thats right all you folks still service honorably as most people consider you veterans your really not until you are actually separated, retired ect under the federal definition of the term Veteran. VA is a system that "veterans" are allowed to utilize and is a totally separate system from DOD retirement and Social Security systems all three come from different budgets, or have their own budget to sustain themselves. Now while you serve since soldiers do have to pay taxes, and social security tax as well that entitles them to utilize those systems that soldiers themselves have PAID FOR. Otherwise if someone is ass hurt about soldiers using those systems stop taxing soldiers pay save one, stop collecting social security taxes from them. These systems are not duplicated or being abused as people and some of our elected leadership would have you believe, soldiers paid for the use of these systems out of the taxes they paid over the years. Since your average Congressional Leader makes a tidy sum each year, and all the haters out their that are not eligible to receive these benefits whine and cry about how much a triple recipient of earned benefits that they actually participate in and pay for remember that its a all volunteer force, everyone has opportunity to join the service, complete a career, ect ect instead of writing and misguiding the public about how much veterans are making, how about either you go down to the recruiters office and sign your name do your time, pay your taxes if you want eligibility or otherwise just say thank you and move on. But leave the veterans alone they are not getting rich off anyone's money and they are owed these benefits as they all paid for every single one of them with actual money, blood, injury, time, and paid costs for every one of them.

Response by SSG Scott Kronstedt made Feb 10 at 2017 8:57 AM

SSG Scott Kronstedt — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 08:57:20 -0500

I'm a triple dipper and sometimes I feel a little guilty about it but I have to remind myself about why I'm triple dipping. I'm retired so I get compensated for years of crappy pay and conditions but, thanks to the former spouse protection act, I don't get anywhere near full retirement pay, I get VA disability benefits but not a full 100% and because I have MS, which the VA says is not service connected, I get SSDI but I am incapable of working, (anyone know an employer that will pay for 10-15 minutes of work followed by a 1-2 hour nap?) between the three I do OK but im not getting rich and I would give it all up and go back to work if I could get my health back.

Response by SMSgt Roger Horton made Feb 10 at 2017 9:42 AM

SMSgt Roger Horton — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:42:27 -0500

Why is it called triple or even double dipping if you earned it. Look at congress and all the benefits they claim. A lot of disabled veterans would rather be whole than draw a disability for an incident they had very little control over (war). What is pain, loss of limb and sight, separation from family, duty to Country, and a number of other things worth?

Response by MSG Tim Gray made Feb 16 at 2017 11:24 PM

MSG Tim Gray — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 23:24:48 -0500

How much does a senator make, and how long do they have to serve to qualify for it?

Response by SGT Jayson Mocarsky made Feb 24 at 2017 8:09 AM

SGT Jayson Mocarsky — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 08:09:20 -0500

Wow I couldnt have said this any better!! I too am a triple dipper. I retired as a Sgt only after 8 years. The army tried to just medically separate me. But after a long battle they realized retiring me was the right thing to do. I am 100% disabled as well. And I have a slew of ailments that keep me from working. I'm tired of the complaining and the narrow minded comments about this. If any of these complainers were in our boat they would be taking advantage of this as well. Believe. Me I miss the grind. I'd go back to work in a heartbeat if I thought I could be successful. But that's not the case. And that's all we get. For life. There's no raises no overtime that's it. So whit acting like we're taking something away from others and acting like we're living the life of luxury cause I assure you it's not the case!!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 14 at 2017 6:26 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:26:39 -0400

Many get government civilian jobs. Your Military pension is offset by your VA Disability and your civilian pension is offset offsets your military pension, and on and on

Response by MSgt Steven Goetsch made Mar 16 at 2017 8:17 PM

MSgt Steven Goetsch — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:17:52 -0400

Go check out the DOJ websites and they post all the trial outcomes. Great reading. Talk about scammers. One was getting VA benefits for blindness, was very mobile, successfully passed three vision tests and received three DLs in three different states. Now that's a scammer. This triple dipping thing I am torn on. We have an entitlement culture. Do Vets rise above it?

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Mar 16 at 2017 8:32 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:32:33 -0400

Okay, if you worked you are eligible for SSI. Only because of a very old law that allowed the government to effectively deny veterans disability . Something that every other person in the US of AA is eligible for. Does that seem right to you? For me personally I have no issue with it. The persaon who is receiving it is banged up tot he point where they can't work, and paid into SSI.

Response by SPC Matt Johnson made Sep 3 at 2017 6:24 PM

SPC Matt Johnson — Sun, 03 Sep 2017 18:24:24 -0400

I'm not sure what this whole triple dipping is. But I do live in pain. gain a ton of weight because every time I would go and do cardio I would reinjure something or aggravate an injury. I have a high tolerance, but sometimes it gets so bad I pass out and/or see stars. Had to stop taking narcotics because thanks to my genetics have built a resistance/tolerance to pain killers. So I basically looked like a junkie poping 4 sometimes more hydrocodones. live on 600mg motrin, fish oil, turmeric, flaxseed, and pineapple juice(all for inflammation). ever few months I have to go through a 1 week cleans to flush my body of the motrin and wellbutrin. I do this in order to keeps my kidneys and liver from getting fucked up too bad. because nothing says fun like the looming threat of a seizer, kidney or liver failure. fun times

Response by SPC John Decker made Sep 3 at 2017 6:39 PM

SPC John Decker — Sun, 03 Sep 2017 18:39:24 -0400

Triple Dipping, to me, implies accessing the same pool of funds three times. If you are eligible to to receive funds from three different pools, go for it.

Response by COL William Oseles made Sep 3 at 2017 6:46 PM

COL William Oseles — Sun, 03 Sep 2017 18:46:46 -0400

That is not scamming the system.
Now if you are taking the extent of your disability to meet all three conditions it is another matter.

Response by PO3 Stephen Thompson made Sep 3 at 2017 7:26 PM

PO3 Stephen Thompson — Sun, 03 Sep 2017 19:26:59 -0400

I draw as I.and am 100% disabled thanks to the no viet named army. I held off even asking for anything until I just could not get in and out of my trk. Now I'm not much more than a complete invilid. I'm constantly in pain. I'm sorry the chief thinks I'm a scumbag.

Response by SFC Jason Hodge made Sep 3 at 2017 7:59 PM

SFC Jason Hodge — Sun, 03 Sep 2017 19:59:23 -0400

I guess that answers the question. We have brothers and sisters that more than earned it and, in reality, should be given more than what they already get considering what they gave up.

Response by PO2 Jeannette Prichard made Sep 3 at 2017 10:25 PM

PO2 Jeannette Prichard — Sun, 03 Sep 2017 22:25:23 -0400

I get all three, I hurt my back while on active duty. It wouldn't have been permanently disabling if the VA hadn't ignored me for two years and then almost kill me on the table. Then an over zealous surgeon destroyed my back permanently. Before I realized I was crippled for life I felt guilty for "triple dipping" but now it's our only real source of income. My husband can't work a full time job because he has to take care of me. There are so many everyday tasks I can't do without excruciating pain that he has to do almost everything. So, I choose not to be miserable and maintain an attitude of acceptance and gratitude that we have what we have even though I wish it were different.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2017 1:45 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 04 Sep 2017 01:45:27 -0400

Get what you can get from this government that doesn't care about us once they can't use us anymore

Response by PFC Sheila Harrison made Sep 4 at 2017 9:51 AM

PFC Sheila Harrison — Mon, 04 Sep 2017 09:51:24 -0400

I'm part of a dual medically retired household. My husband received a Purple Heart. He gets SSD, CRSP, 100% unemployability, served 15 years 1 tour Bosnia, 2 tour Iraq. I get 100% unemployability, could get SSD but haven't yet, 1 tour Iraq, 5yr service. We deserve every penny

Response by MSG Laura Washington made Sep 4 at 2017 10:58 PM

MSG Laura Washington — Mon, 04 Sep 2017 22:58:05 -0400

Why do we even need to ask this question? I would like to know who/why/when this concept of double/triple dipping was initiated. When I was a MilTech/Reservist I was accused of double dipping. When the VA gave me a disability rating, my VA compensation was offset by my military pay. With VA/Government math, to get 100% disability rating, you have to be damn near dead. Today, if you don't meet certain prerequisites, your retirement is offset by your VA disability. For any Social Security you qualify/receive - we pay into that. As for the VA benefits received, if an individual had to pay for those services on the open medical market, they would be homeless. What a Veteran is put through to even qualify, believe me, they are earned and deserved. Comments from an 80% Medically Retired, 90% VA disability rating (trying to increase it - did the calculation, I would need to receive 50% just to get the 10%) and I have a Federal Civilian job.

Response by SSgt John Buono made Sep 5 at 2017 7:27 AM

SSgt John Buono — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 07:27:42 -0400

I see nothing wrong with it if you qualify for it. Good luck getting all those benefits though.

Response by SSgt Holden M. made Sep 5 at 2017 9:56 AM

SSgt Holden M. — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 09:56:40 -0400

I feel as though if they meet the requirements to get the different benefits then they should be entitled to them. It shouldn't matter what else they are getting. If you qualify to "tripple dip" then you sure as hell must have gone through hell to be qualified and deserve every single benefit you get.

Response by 1SG Stephen Burgess made Sep 5 at 2017 3:17 PM

1SG Stephen Burgess — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 15:17:14 -0400

I have so many friends that are permanently disabled due to service related injuries. One very good friend is a so called "triple dipper". Believe me when I tell you, he deserves way more. I can assure you that he would trade places with any of us and give back any amount of monetary gain to have his full bodily functions back. My heart bleeds for these brothers and I wish they got more than they are getting.

Response by MSgt Joe Evett made Apr 3 at 2018 2:17 AM

MSgt Joe Evett — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 02:17:26 -0400

You can tripple dip. If you retire with twenty in the military and twenty as federal you collect both and then SSI when you hit the age requirement. There are instances were buying back military time can change that.

Response by SFC Joseph Lumpkins made Sep 4 at 2018 7:03 PM

SFC Joseph Lumpkins — Tue, 04 Sep 2018 19:03:11 -0400

I’m guess I’m a little confused with the thoughts from the OP. I served for 21 years and retired in 2002. At that time I was given a 60% VA disability rating from the VA due to several surgeries that I went though as an active duty soldier. Fast forward to 2015 after I endured 17 additional surgeries that were all service related and Im now 100% P&T and I also collect SSDI that I paid into. First of all I live with pain each and every day and have days that the neuropathy in my feet make it almost impossible to walk across the street, so sorry but if you go through the process and it is granted then no problem. Also I would give it all back but my retirement in order to live a normal pain free life.

Response by CSM John Mead made Sep 5 at 2018 11:56 AM

CSM John Mead — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 11:56:44 -0400

Right now if you are under 50 per cent disabled and retired, your VA check comes out of your retirement. This vice those who do a single enlistment or what not and receive any disability free and clear. In my mind, this is 100 per cent wrong.

Response by PO2 Katie Benson made Sep 5 at 2018 12:30 PM

PO2 Katie Benson — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 12:30:05 -0400

Fuck yeah we should do whatever it takes so that we can get by!!!

Response by CPL Adam Wagner made Sep 5 at 2018 1:12 PM

CPL Adam Wagner — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 13:12:47 -0400

No you don’t have to serve 20+ years, you just have to be retired by the military, and it’s not triple dipping. Plus plus it’s alot harder then you think to qualify for all three, like me, I have two and didn’t serve 20 years but was retired. If you are gonna bitch and moan about something know what you are talking about.....

Response by CPL Chris Palmberg made Sep 5 at 2018 1:49 PM

CPL Chris Palmberg — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 13:49:47 -0400

The concept seems egregious at face value until you consider the normal sequence. A retiree draws 50% and goes to work someplace spending the next 20 years earning wages, benefits, a 401(k), etc. Then they retire a second time and draw the rewards of SS, military & civilian retirement. With a disability rating, you're compensated for the wages you aren't able to earn in comparison to your civilian peers. And, frankly, the upper end where unemployability comes into play doesn't come close to keeping up with a mid-career salary, let alone increase as much as the salary of someone with 30 years of work experience.

Response by Cpl Dave McNally made Sep 5 at 2018 3:09 PM

Cpl Dave McNally — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 15:09:36 -0400

Response by SSG Paul's Page made Sep 5 at 2018 3:18 PM

SSG Paul's Page — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 15:18:19 -0400

Ok all you contractors out there who are making bucks. Quit ur job and give up all the bennies u get because ur making a ton mire than u did when u served. Can't even believe that there are some people that would push that vote button. Wow. If u qualify legit for the benefits then u should get them.

Response by PO1 John Walker made Sep 5 at 2018 3:27 PM

PO1 John Walker — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 15:27:47 -0400

I am a retiree (22 yrs) and over 62 yrs of age now eligible for SS, these are benifits I have earned or contributed funds for. Disability from the VA is a totally different payment. Currently in the process of having my VA rating raised to over 50% since my injuries recieved while on active duty have gotten worse. I am accruing some hefty expenses such as mamaking my home handicap accessable, added medical expenses, acquiring a vehicle that can haul my wheelchair etc. I need every penny I can get to pay for this.

Response by SGT Brian Lorkowski made Sep 5 at 2018 4:21 PM

SGT Brian Lorkowski — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 16:21:25 -0400

And some of us can't seem to get a fair shake!

Response by SGT Chad Fisher made Sep 5 at 2018 4:31 PM

SGT Chad Fisher — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 16:31:13 -0400

I think people should mind their own business. As a veteran what I get from the Govt shouldn't be any of your concern. We all did our time and now we are living our lives half the men and women we used to be. We served our nation and not a single soul I have ever had this conversation with ever had an objection to veterans compensation. If you qualify for any program you should get that benefit. Its difficult to get SSI. Getting a higher VA rating is a long wait when you cant quite work a regular job because of injuries sustained while serving. Every bit helps. Eventually we will need the help more as we age. So basically people should just go about their business and worry less of who gets what.

Response by PO2 Alexander Gonzalez made Sep 5 at 2018 5:39 PM

PO2 Alexander Gonzalez — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 17:39:32 -0400

If a vet did 20 years and qualifies for the other stuff he/she should get it because that money is set asside for those who qualify.

Response by CPO Bryan Mitchell made Sep 5 at 2018 6:58 PM

CPO Bryan Mitchell — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 18:58:33 -0400

Cry babies

Response by SGT Pete Masullo made Sep 5 at 2018 7:20 PM

SGT Pete Masullo — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 19:20:19 -0400

This is a classic case of not scanning your own lane. I’m out of the military (not retired) and I didn’t get so much as a scratch. I consider that my reward. For those who retired, enjoy your pension. For those who qualify for disability, I hope the extra money and benefits bring you comfort. For those who qualify for SSI disability, I hope the added income provides what you are unable to earn. I have no ill will toward anyone who qualifies for and receives compensation for their service and pain. If I did, that would make me a cruel and petty monster.

Response by SFC Rob Thiele made Sep 5 at 2018 9:17 PM

SFC Rob Thiele — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:17:12 -0400

Broke My back and neck on a jump. Served another 8 years and retired with 23 years. Tried working for several years. Can longer work a full day even in Mgmt position due to Back/Neck pain. Can do 1-2 tasks at house per day. ( Mow Lawn, dishes, trim hedges, etc.) Constant pain. Can't play with grandkids like I would like to. Yet I still am only at 60% with VA fighting my %. If I can get up to 100, Damn right I will. I'm not playing the system. I'm asking for what I earned over 23 years and 14 deployments.

Response by SSG Dwight Fields made Sep 5 at 2018 10:05 PM

SSG Dwight Fields — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 22:05:28 -0400

22 years active then was forced into retirement due to war wounds.
Worked Federal for 20 more years and 100% Service Connected for the War Wounds.

Response by SSG Kip Beebe made Sep 5 at 2018 11:02 PM

SSG Kip Beebe — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 23:02:39 -0400

I double dip. 70% VA and 100% SSDI. Both are unrelated. Why is it an issue? I've was given a max of fifteen years to live with the issues that I have. That was six years ago. So I have nine left. Unless something is found. No doctors all the way up to NIH can give me any real hope. Live with that. And look at your family too. Why do you think that those that qualify dont deserve it?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2018 2:00 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 02:00:51 -0400

Back in the day, "triple dippers" we're those who had retired from the military, worked twenty years for a government agency, (e.g. u.s.p.s.), retired from both, and were collecting benefits from the SSA.
Either way, if you meet the requirements . . . GO FOR IT!!!!

Response by Sgt Mike Dargusch made Sep 6 at 2018 3:36 AM

Sgt Mike Dargusch — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 03:36:20 -0400

To be rated that bad, you got seriously effed up. You'll need every penny.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2018 9:31 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 09:31:31 -0400

Reservist with right at 17 “Good Years” at 80% VA, and waiting for the VA Board Appeal which will most likely push me to 100%. I’m a “Gray Line Reservist”

Outside I work as a Homicide Detective, but I only have 22 years and need 25 to qualify for Retirement.

Due to my Severe TBI, I now have Sezuires and am required to take Meds to Control them. I also have a myriad of other residules that have came along with this TBI.

PD is nervous about me carrying a weapon, and on Seizure Control Meds, so they might “Retire” me before I qualify for Pension. So instead of 65% immediately, I’ll get 40%-45% at 55 years old. I’m 45 years old.

The Navy Med Board might keep me dragging along long enough for the 18 year window. Then I won’t Retire until my 20 which means now pay until 57 years old at a fraction of the Active Duty % that I would have gotten.

I am a Single Dad of 3.

Triple Dip, within the rules, if possible.

Response by SPC Kyle Williams made Sep 6 at 2018 10:01 AM

SPC Kyle Williams — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 10:01:52 -0400

They are your benefits, you earned them. Its no different than a person who does his 20 gets a pension, gets a gs rated job works another 10 years and gets a second pension.

Response by SPC Louis Copechal made Sep 6 at 2018 10:37 AM

SPC Louis Copechal — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 10:37:19 -0400

I don't meet all the requirements due to being honorably medically discharged with only 12 yrs in. So i dont qualify for retirement, yet my body is so f'ed up that they are allowing me to collect my 50% and receive ssd, and just found out that i have cancer due to exposure from last deployment in 2003. If they can get it i say do what needs done. We deserve all we get.

Response by SSG Brian Carpeneter made Sep 6 at 2018 10:52 AM

SSG Brian Carpeneter — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 10:52:06 -0400

If you don't believe we deserve that and more with what politicians make without disabilities you're on drugs!!

Response by Cpl Bill Kerwin made Sep 6 at 2018 10:54 AM

Cpl Bill Kerwin — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 10:54:01 -0400

Not making more then you earned is absurd !!! In the late 90’s early 2000 so guys we’re making 7k a year at least in the Marines not count all the time you train and don’t sleep it’s like 2cents a hour!! Me and a few broke down our off time to training and missions and it’s awful the pay!! Then you get shipped out need to pay for calls that are a absurd rate!! May be different now but back then no bueno

Response by CPT Paul Weiss made Sep 6 at 2018 11:01 AM

CPT Paul Weiss — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 11:01:53 -0400

From post-Civil War until earlier this century, retired veterans had their retirement benefits offset by the amount of their VA disability compensation, as an individual could not collect both ("double dipping").
It took a long time and much work for the Veterans Service Organizations and those grpups representing retirees to get the law changed. That it was finally changed is because it was the right thing to do. A disabled vet should receive all benefits to which he is entitled, from whatever program for which he is eligible, without reduction or offset.

Response by MAJ William Roberts made Sep 6 at 2018 11:54 AM

MAJ William Roberts — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 11:54:43 -0400

These people are often those who have been seriously wounded and can no longer work. They have given all they have for their country and believe me they wont get rich from that extra 1200 a month. They definitely deserve it.

Response by SSgt Richard Stewart made Sep 6 at 2018 12:36 PM

SSgt Richard Stewart — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 12:36:10 -0400

I draw my military retirement. I am 90% disabled by VA. I still make it to work every weekday. I will draw my retirement from my govt job. I will also draw my ssa benefits if any still exist So is that quadruple dipping? I think I have put in the time blood sweat and tears to qualify for it all.

Response by MSgt Marvin Donnelly made Sep 6 at 2018 12:51 PM

MSgt Marvin Donnelly — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 12:51:11 -0400

Well I guess that I am a "Quadruple dipper" ,. I receive retired military pay at 52.5 percent (21 years), 60 percent pay from VA for disability, and I did 20 plus years for AF Civil Service, and I now draw my Social Security.
If you REALLY want to know, I feel that I am underpaid for what I endured.

Response by PO1 TheBee Ef A made Sep 6 at 2018 1:32 PM

PO1 TheBee Ef A — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 13:32:07 -0400

In today's economy, military salary isn't all that great. I'm not complaining about it at all, but as a civilian, I'd expect to make quite a bit more than I made in the military, which I do. So if you legitimately can't work, I don't see the big deal getting more paid benefits than when active, because if you weren't disabled, you could very well be anyway.

Response by CPL Daniel Martin made Sep 6 at 2018 1:53 PM

CPL Daniel Martin — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 13:53:52 -0400

For any one that actually makes it to 100% at least the ones I know would gladly give it all back to have their health.

Response by Sgt Micheal Buchanan made Sep 6 at 2018 1:54 PM

Sgt Micheal Buchanan — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 13:54:20 -0400

You joined and did 20. You retire. That is part of the agreement. During that 20, you pay social security. It's in your LES. you get that when you hit 65 just like every other citizen that paid into it. It is believed you can get another job when you get out at the age of 38 or a little older. If you cannot, you are disabled. Guess what? That is all three at 65. I don't have a problem with it.

Response by SFC Harry H. made Sep 6 at 2018 2:03 PM

SFC Harry H. — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:03:32 -0400

It's like a billionaire filling bankruptcy. If it's legal, so be it. Your just using the system for which it was designed for.

Response by SFC John Miskowiec made Sep 6 at 2018 2:13 PM

SFC John Miskowiec — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:13:20 -0400

I retired in 98 and received 50% I had all that money removed from my retirement for about 10 years or more. I am now 100% and get all three after many surgeries. I do get by though.

Response by James Scott Ball made Sep 6 at 2018 2:15 PM

James Scott Ball — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:15:07 -0400

Concurrent reciept robbed my mother of my dead flag officer's dream home after his death from service related Vietnam era-caused, service related lymphoma. Seems all that agent orange wasn't meant to rattle around in HUMANS. Politicians get healthcare for LIFE! WTF?! You wear slashes on that cuff, are Master Blaster rated, and serve over 30 yrs if distinguished service, and what FOR?

Response by SSG Jesse Cheadle made Sep 6 at 2018 2:28 PM

SSG Jesse Cheadle — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:28:44 -0400

You can stand there with your healthy self and criticize all you want. I pray you don't find yourself in my situation, it will only be then you see why its important to receive these entitlements. But until then, STFU and Charlie Mike.

Response by SGT Mike Raposa made Sep 6 at 2018 2:33 PM

SGT Mike Raposa — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:33:59 -0400

What about cops that serve in the guard? Cops retire at 100% taxes free after 20 years on the force. If they have a disability they get ssdi. Then at sixty they get additional non tax retirement from the guard. If they where called up to active duty and received injuries then they service connected comp from VA. Then a union retirement check all tax free. Almost triple than the military vets get.

Response by SGT Tj Casiano made Sep 6 at 2018 2:51 PM

SGT Tj Casiano — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:51:25 -0400

I do understand how someone can do 20 years gather SSI benefits, and I understand how someone can be rated at 100% service connected and gather SSI benefits, but I don't understand how someone can do 20 years and get a pension and be rated 100% service connected disabled

Response by PO3 Marie Morrison made Sep 6 at 2018 3:31 PM

PO3 Marie Morrison — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 15:31:18 -0400

It’s not dipping from the same jar. They are all separate. Retirement should not effect your disability!

Response by CPL Joseph Wightman made Sep 6 at 2018 3:40 PM

CPL Joseph Wightman — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 15:40:10 -0400

Considering that after retirement you can serve in another civilian capacity and feasibly retire from that job. I think that scamming the system is wrong. If it is due you and legal then you should get all the benefits that you deserve. Govt. civilians get all the benefits and the added benefit of most sitting on their asses figuring out how they can get over on govt. Vets have never had that mindset and have sacrificed the equivalent of years away from their family.

Response by SCPO Michael Richardson made Sep 6 at 2018 3:45 PM

SCPO Michael Richardson — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 15:45:37 -0400

#1 Retired Navy with 24.5 years Active Duty.(wish I was still Active Duty) #2 Rated by the VA at 90%. (Wish I had my heath) #3 Retired from the VA GS10. (no regrets) #4 Draw Social Security (wish I wasn't so old) quadruple dipp

Response by Sgt Charles St John made Sep 6 at 2018 3:53 PM

Sgt Charles St John — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 15:53:11 -0400

I guess I’m going to be considered a “Double Dipper”, but I personally don’t see it this way. Started receiving VA disability in 1977 after enlistment was over. In 2011, (at 58) I was awarded both VA 100% P&T and SSDI. The SSDI automatically switches over to regular SS next February when I turn 66. I’ve paid into my SS for 45 years until I could no longer work, so now I’m getting back SOME of what I’ve put in. This is far from being a type of “Welfare”.

Response by SrA John Monette made Sep 6 at 2018 4:06 PM

SrA John Monette — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 16:06:11 -0400

I don't think you would be able to get 100% unemployability AND SSI. the 100% might put you out of the income bracket

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2018 4:16 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 16:16:29 -0400

So if someone qualifies they shouldn’t do it ?

Response by LCpl Chuck Wagner made Sep 6 at 2018 4:22 PM

LCpl Chuck Wagner — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 16:22:23 -0400

If people are saying that we are triple dipping. They are obviously ignorant and don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. Retirements for serving over 20 years. Compensation is for disabilities that occurred during military service has nexus continue to bother you while your life and is a problem now. And Social Security we all paid into and if your Social Security disabled and you qualified and that’s why the benefit is there. Three separate issues some narrow minded ignorant people might not be able to tell that .

Response by MSG Gary Johnson made Sep 6 at 2018 4:36 PM

MSG Gary Johnson — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 16:36:02 -0400

These are separate issues. Military Retired Pay is part of the “enlistment contract” for serving 20 years or more(15 for TERA). VA disability pay is for being injured or incurring an illiness as a result if military service. Social security payments originates from deductions from our pay checks plus contributions our employers make. Each is “earned” and are legal payments to those who earned them.

Response by SP5 Jerome Einspahr made Sep 6 at 2018 4:42 PM

SP5 Jerome Einspahr — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 16:42:58 -0400

I have 20percent from the VA and it gets deducted from my military retirement so anybody that Uncle Sam gives this too that meets all that requirements god speed.

Response by SSG Nathan Blair made Sep 6 at 2018 4:48 PM

SSG Nathan Blair — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 16:48:55 -0400

This is actually a misnomer the VA disability rating doesn't add to your retirement it replaces your retirement income with non taxable income dollar-for-dollar it's actually a better thing for retirees if they are 100% VA Disabled it takes that retirement and switches it over into something that cannot be taxed. Some states however like Texas and Florida do not tax retiree income anyway. Some people retire from the military work 20 years at another job and retire from there also and some go on and work another job when I first saw the heading that said triple dipping this is what I thought. I didn't take it as VA and Social Security and military retirement quite honestly it's just VA or military retirement and or Social Security no big deal. It's not like they're getting rich.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2018 5:01 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 17:01:44 -0400

People don’t understand what it’s like to serve. Spend a few years in the infantry, going to the field for 60 days at a time working over 12 hours a day. Being deployed, going on mission after mission, years at a time. Living in substandard conditions. Lord forbid you get hurt. I could go on and on. So, with being said, we never received comp time or overtime. But as much as we hate it, deep down we love it and we stay in. But for all we go through, we deserve something. Hey, if you could triple dip, I applaud you.

Response by MAJ Karl Stumpff made Sep 6 at 2018 6:02 PM

MAJ Karl Stumpff — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:02:45 -0400

I’m doing it and I will take my health back anytime. Money doesn’t make up for what I lost. If you don’t like it, trade places, you might learn something....,,,,stop making assumptions.

Response by SSG David Helms made Sep 6 at 2018 6:27 PM

SSG David Helms — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:27:59 -0400

I get all three and I would rather be able to work

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2018 6:30 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:30:14 -0400

This isn't easy to do, and anyone receiving it would probably give it up to have their body or mind back.

Response by SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman made Sep 6 at 2018 6:31 PM

SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:31:03 -0400

I thought triple dipping meant a military retirement, then working another 25 years, then collecting a second retirement, then collecting SSI.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Wilson made Sep 6 at 2018 6:34 PM

SSG Jeffrey Wilson — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:34:05 -0400

Im rated 100% from the Va, 65% from the Army, 19 and a half active yrs, 25 total for pay, on ssi... just this year started back to work, so i will be dropping the ssi...its been a long road back, to where i could go back to work (8 yrs)...

Response by MSgt Rob Weston made Sep 6 at 2018 7:02 PM

MSgt Rob Weston — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 19:02:08 -0400

There is no one clear answer for or against, it is dependent on the context of each Veteran, their individual claim through the VA and any civilian working capabilities there after. Furthermore, if they meet the criteria to obtain SSDI along with Retiree Pension and VA Disability it should be no one else’s business or concern. Just because they receive Pension and VA disability doesn’t mean that they no longer qualify for SSDI. We have to remember the pension is for serving 20+ years, VA disability is compensation for injuries incurred during time is service, and SSDI is for when a person is unable to work due to injury (regardless of veteran status or not).

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2018 7:10 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 19:10:04 -0400

All vets should be compensated for however they were destroyed while serving. If anyone who is found to be cheating the system should be crushed. There should be no tolerance or lenience. I know someone who was medically retired (for back problems) while attending college fill time under the degree completion program, thus incurring a 1/2 ADSO the whole time in school. Upon completing their degree, and retiring at 16 years, they started grad school and now regularly compete in marathons and CrossFit competitions.

I'm not saying they aren't injured, but I seriously question a medical evaluation enough to warrant retirement from someone that fit.

Response by PFC Ian DeGraff made Sep 6 at 2018 7:21 PM

PFC Ian DeGraff — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 19:21:26 -0400

Unless you were working under the table, pretty much your entire life (minus that 20+ years you served in the military) you paid into social security, so I see zero reason why you shouldn't be eligible to receive it, retired military or otherwise.

As a military retirement pension, that was another promise made to you by your dear ol' Uncle Sam. But your same ol' dear uncle wants to re-negotiate the terms of deal? Uh-nuh.

IMO, if you paid into social security, you should be able to use it if you meet the conditions for receiving it. If you meet the qualifications for receiving a military pension, you should be able to use that as well. None of this "but only if you have a rating over 173% AND ONLY IF..." crap. You sacrificed a part of your paycheck and a whole lot more than that. You earned it.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2018 7:39 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 19:39:04 -0400

If the VA had a better rating system and process that counted how disabled are you instead of how many things can you list, people wouldn't need to scam the system. How is it my ankle I can barely stand on (3 failed reconstruction surgeries) is 10% although it prevents me from doing so much, while some other bogus disorders are higher that people list because they can get way more. I know more than one person who claimed E.D. but still had multiple kids after. I'm barely getting by on my disability, 9/11 BAH and crappy job because I can't do most jobs that require standing and lifting with my ankle and back. VA says I have muscle spasms, so lets do an x-ray... cause that's helpful... idiots!

RATE PEOPLE BASED ON EMPLOYABILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

Response by SFC Michael Fowler made Sep 6 at 2018 7:45 PM

SFC Michael Fowler — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 19:45:53 -0400

I'll never be against an honorable discharged vet getting as much as possible out of the government.

Response by SPC Nathan Guy made Sep 6 at 2018 7:57 PM

SPC Nathan Guy — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 19:57:36 -0400

State pays disability if you're not a veteran but the VA (federal) pays you based off that fact and you can retire (federal) without getting either. They are all separate things that don't have much to do with each other. Any one that calls that triple dipping is pretty ignorant to what triple dipping is...

Response by SPC Phillip Vossler made Sep 6 at 2018 9:33 PM

SPC Phillip Vossler — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 21:33:37 -0400

You can hate all you want, to serve till retirement, then to be paid by the va for being broken, and THEN on top of that ssd benefits that they earned by having a job, whats the problem? Im double dipping, 100% rated, SSD. 6 Yrs 4 Mths, 10 days active duty. Don't hate that you can't

Response by SPC Russell T. Andrews made Sep 6 at 2018 9:36 PM

SPC Russell T. Andrews — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 21:36:03 -0400

Alot of us who served in the early seventies got screwed out of our some our benefits thanks to a bunch of cowards in Congress..

Response by LCpl Richard Peifer made Sep 6 at 2018 10:01 PM

LCpl Richard Peifer — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 22:01:47 -0400

My father served 27 years in the navy with multiple tours in Vietnam. He now has very little sight and only 1 and a half feet since diabetes (a service connected alignment) has claimed the other. He served with distinction and earned his retirement and suffers so he's earned the va and the benefits that go with it and is now over 65 and paid into social security for several decades so he's earned that as well. To make him pick one would be an insult as he busted his ass to earn these things. Nothing is being given it was hard fought and earned. I can only hope that by the time I am his age I can say I've earned my fair share so I keep plugging away. To tell someone they don't rate it just because they something else I hear lots of jealousy in there. Maybe if you worked like that you could earn like that too. If you didn't, it's just plain your fault.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2018 10:11 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 22:11:18 -0400

Beats someone who doesn't work a day in their life getting free medical, enough food stamps to feed themselves and sell some on the side to cover their drug habit

Response by SGT Christopher Spellman made Sep 6 at 2018 11:21 PM

SGT Christopher Spellman — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 23:21:44 -0400

As a vet and an accredited Veterans Service Officer, I know this can happen, albeit in very few circumstances. The fact is, we are not talking about 30-year O-6's that are living the high life. In my experience, I encountered several vets who use PTSD, for example, as a way to boost benefits. They are rated 30%, but claim they are "really, really having problems", but just talking with them for 10 minutes it is obvious they are not close to meeting 50% disability. However, elderly retired vets who went out at a low rank, are 60-70% but are completely unemployable. and live in high cost-of-living areas could certainly fall into this category.

I think this is actually something that deserves a more analytical look than simply, "are you for it or against it." We want all veterans to get all the benefits for which they qualify and not more than they have earned.
These rare "triple-dipping" instances should be taken on the merits of the individual case and not by virtue of the new, highly emotive manner in which we have lately become accustomed.

Response by SPC Duane Anderson made Sep 6 at 2018 11:22 PM

SPC Duane Anderson — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 23:22:23 -0400

Free money from military service is money I don’t want. I have my rating and I hurt for it. I can’t throw a baseball with my boys. Take the money back and make my shoulder work again. I have never met anyone getting social security disability that could function normally. I enjoy what I have and I don’t worry about who gets more.

Response by LTC Steven Cox made Sep 7 at 2018 12:18 AM

LTC Steven Cox — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 00:18:08 -0400

Not sure someone has already pointed this out, but SSDI is what unemployable/disabled qualifies you for, not SSI.

Response by SFC Richard Smith made Sep 7 at 2018 12:38 AM

SFC Richard Smith — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 00:38:08 -0400

Well let me just say as a person who does need all three. It's not given to any of us. I suffered a spinal cord injury in 2003, continued to fight through to 2012 when I became crippled with constant pain from my injury. I retired received 100% rating and still tried to work after three jobs multiple hospital stays I took full retirement in 2014 filed for SSDI and received it 4.5 years later after multiple denials and only 6 months back pay. So believe me, triple dipping is earned not given.

Response by LCpl Jason Keiser made Sep 7 at 2018 12:56 AM

LCpl Jason Keiser — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 00:56:51 -0400

Get it! If you qualify for it get it! The value of what you lost can never be measured so take the little bit that they try to compensate you for.

Response by LTC Russ Smith made Sep 7 at 2018 8:38 AM

LTC Russ Smith — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 08:38:14 -0400

You have to be retired from the military, 100% tariff from VA, and then shiny for SSDI, where you are likely to be turned down. You will have to appeal & hire a lawyer to win the appeal, ave will probably lose. Military retirees are federal employees. We payed in to social security like everyone else. We are veterans like every other veteran. Until 2004, we are the only federal retirees who could not collect VA disability. Post 9/11 military retirees can now collect their federal person & VA disability. But SSDI is difficult. It shouldn't be for 100% disabled vets, but it is.

Response by PFC Charles Sanders made Sep 7 at 2018 8:45 AM

PFC Charles Sanders — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 08:45:51 -0400

At the end of the day Uncle Sam doesn’t give a damn about the individual serviceman, and will use, abuse, and toss you aside on a whim. I see no problem with somebody fighting for every penny they’re owed under the system.

Response by MGySgt Kevin Wood made Sep 7 at 2018 8:53 AM

MGySgt Kevin Wood — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 08:53:33 -0400

When I saw that a retired sherriff in FL is getting 7k a month for a pension, I realized my 23 years E9 retired pay is not very good.

Response by GySgt Rhonda Hart made Sep 7 at 2018 9:51 AM

GySgt Rhonda Hart — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 09:51:02 -0400

I've paid into my social security since the age of 16. I would like to know I can use it once I hit the age requirement.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2018 11:20 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 11:20:42 -0400

If you served as a grunt than I say fuck the system get every penny you can, the green weenie fuck you now it’s time to do the fucking

Response by SrA David Frenette made Sep 7 at 2018 11:37 AM

SrA David Frenette — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 11:37:50 -0400

If a veteran served 20 years, they earned that normally by age 40. That's still working age. I don't see an issue if they are injured and can't continue to work. They should qualify for additional compensation. They can't work to earn it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2018 12:29 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 12:29:47 -0400

Over 20 years, the ass kicking that you're going to take whether it be physical, mental, emotional or all three, you're never going to be compensated for all you deserve. Quite frankly, most won't so no, I don't have a problem with people beating the very same system that beat them two and in this case three times over.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2018 2:08 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 14:08:24 -0400

Here is my thought, use it while it's there cause there is no guarantee it will be there later.

Response by SGT Jack Stevens made Sep 7 at 2018 2:27 PM

SGT Jack Stevens — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 14:27:16 -0400

I was medicaled after 16 years, VA rated me 100%, unemployable, and Social Security Rated me 100% disabled. So explain why if I can't work, I'm 47, I'm suppose to live off on the economy that unlike a near a military base, add 5% to everything.

Response by SGT Corey Mcclintic made Sep 7 at 2018 2:33 PM

SGT Corey Mcclintic — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 14:33:50 -0400

I’m 100% employable and get ssdi. I applied and got approved. Don’t get frustrated with the vets. Boards approve the compensation so they deem it necessary

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2018 3:49 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 15:49:53 -0400

It always sickened me how many guys are fine until they go to their retirement briefs and hear about what they can get on disability. The next day they come in acting like they were hit by a bus and suddenly have PTSD.

Response by SSgt Bruce Probert made Sep 7 at 2018 5:44 PM

SSgt Bruce Probert — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:44:29 -0400

Those who are legally able to, deserve what they get and the PFC who got blown to hell by an IED and some how survived deserves only what he made as a PFC? Come say that where we can discuss it further

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2018 8:07 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 20:07:41 -0400

Your 20 year retirement is an earned benefit. VA disability is granted based on medical issues that developed while serving. SSI you pay into your whole life.
I'm sorry, since when did we start shunning people for using what's they earned?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2018 8:46 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 20:46:56 -0400

I’d rather see a brother who served triple dip, than someone who never serve single dip! If you answered the call, our nation owes you.. period!

Response by CW4 Randy Heider made Sep 7 at 2018 8:47 PM

CW4 Randy Heider — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 20:47:46 -0400

When you receive a VA disability payment, then your service retirement payment is docked that amount! Yes, your disability payment is tax free so that is a benefit, but your not getting a double payment! Therefore there is no such thing as a triple dipping!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2018 9:52 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 21:52:47 -0400

The government loves giving money away. So personally I love seeing a veteran get every damn dime they can get.

Response by SGT John Holt made Sep 7 at 2018 9:54 PM

SGT John Holt — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 21:54:59 -0400

For those wondering, if you meet the requirements there is a program known as Concurrent Disability and Retired Pay, where you can be retired for time in service, then become service connected disabled through the VA and receive both Retirement and Disability through the VA, but you must apply for it. I know because I retired with 20 years, then became service connected disabled originally at 80% later upped to 100% and receive both and now SSDI at 100% because of Rheumatoid Arthritis that has already cost me both of my knees.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2018 10:25 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 22:25:00 -0400

Hell im 100% VA and got turned down by Social Security. I hurt every day and deal with it. I have doctors appointments 3-4 days a week now. So much for what is deserved. I hope the lawyer can solve this issue. The SS office also said that doctors have to use their rules. So the SS office has health rules that are different from the standard doctor. Interesting!!

Response by CW2 Paul Meza made Sep 7 at 2018 10:25 PM

CW2 Paul Meza — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 22:25:12 -0400

I have done too much and seen too much!!!!! If you can give me back my youth, my innocence, my Kidney and a half, the effects of my Cancer-ridden body, and my healthy body and let me sleep without nightmares, I’ll be happy to give you my Army retirement pay, my VA Disability and my Social Security!!! ⚔️

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2018 10:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 22:29:36 -0400

I got medically retired after 17 years. 100% VA first time go and 70% CRSC. I've been very blessed. I've managed to keep all of my fingers and toes but, my back, neck, shoulder, hip shoulder, knees and brain has been damaged alot. My grandpa is a 2 time Vietnam veteran, retired a 1SG after 20 plus years. He always told me. Boy, the Army messed you up. Take them for everything you got. You earned it. He fought the VA for years and only a few years ago finally got his ratings and his CRSC. He did not want me or my family to struggle the same way. Yall do what you do.

Response by CPO Blaine Baughman made Sep 7 at 2018 10:49 PM

CPO Blaine Baughman — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 22:49:03 -0400

Retirement is earned! Social security is paid into and earned! Nobody has a say in these, you nor I! To get SSDI you get disapproved, have to get a lawyer and personally go before a judge.

You also have to go through a lot to get VA Dis. You will probably get disapproved at first there also. Then maybe a small rating. Heavy forbid you get blown up! We all know and feel our injuries more and more as we get older. If you were hurt in the military, the VA owes you this! Yes, they do!

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2018 11:35 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:35:49 -0400

Well I can say I only served 8 years but I was deemed 100% disabled due to a mixture of permanent severe nerve damage and mental health issues including insomnia ptsd nightmare disorder and MDD just the pain alone is crippling enough for me to barely be able to walk around without a cane

Response by PFC Steven Spalding made Sep 8 at 2018 1:30 AM

PFC Steven Spalding — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 01:30:05 -0400

If they qualify for it then the earned it. If your disability (service related) keeps you from functioning than you deserve what is offered.

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Sep 8 at 2018 1:51 AM

SSG Ken Gilder — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 01:51:37 -0400

I am rated at 60%. but the VA pays me at the 100% level because I am considered "unemployable." I also receive CRSC (Combat related special compensation) in lieu of retired pay. The amount is identical, but retirement pay is taxable, while CRSC is not. When the retirement people asked me which one I wanted, it was sort of a no brainer.

Response by MSgt Daniel Armstrong made Sep 8 at 2018 1:56 AM

MSgt Daniel Armstrong — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 01:56:48 -0400

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Response by SSG Fred Campbell made Sep 8 at 2018 7:56 AM

SSG Fred Campbell — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 07:56:57 -0400

I don’t understand what all the butt hurt is about, everything you are talking about is already earned. Unlike still being in, you don’t get a big raise if you advance, you DONT advance! As for social security, if you’re totally and permanently disabled, you may as well sign up since you paid into it already..

Response by LTC John Griscom made Sep 8 at 2018 8:18 AM

LTC John Griscom — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 08:18:13 -0400

Military retirement, Civil Service retirement, combat related special compensation (which is taken from military retirement), 60% VA disability, and SSI (reduced because of Civil Service retirement).

Response by SGT Jon Creager made Sep 8 at 2018 9:17 AM

SGT Jon Creager — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 09:17:05 -0400

The damn poll is a pos. Its not scamming the system. 20 years and combat related retired. Paid in the Social Security all those years and many years maybe before and after military service. You took medical retirement rather than the 20 year plan.
Yes either unemployable, the definition for this pretty simple, you maybe workign a job but its not one you could earn a substantial living at. Or rated 100%.

You live in pain everyday, I know somedays its hard for me to get to moving. i.e. combat injured, compression fractures in the thoracic spine all vertebrae. Also supper from Chronic diarrhea, (cannot be controlled by meds, its nerve damage) posterior and anterior vagal never damage due to injuries in the Army. Sometimes run away heart rate with this crap. plus a bunch of other things , knees ankles Like I said pain everyday all day long.

VA compensation is paying you for the pain and the troubles. Army is pay you for doing your duty to God and Country. SSI if you are getting it is paying you for not being able to work. My age I get SS retirement.

Really you have to be as My Doctor says Pretty fucked up.

I recently changed clinics as my Dr. left for the civilian world. The new clinic redid all the test and x rays, and also headed to CT scan, and surgical consult. The new Dr took over 90 minutes with me. Looked at all the xrays, his word are did you apply for this, did you apply for that He even advised me that the VA can pay for a bathroom remodel when the time comes I am in a wheel chair. Ok that hit me hard no one wants to think about being in a chair. Once I an stuck in the chair the wife can get paid for taking care of me.

I still do some work, it is not gainful. The VA even has paid for some training, my state voc rehab paid for additional training. That was 20 years ago and the pain is now worse as it will be as you grow old.

I also have a friend who the Army just allowed him to ETS, this guys was in his mid 30s. he had a major heart attack while on duty at Ft Riley. I helped him walk his way through the VA, he is 100%, he tried to work some easy jobs, but those too were hard for him, we got him vocrehab, that turned out not well because of his heart. I found him a good lawyer after the SS turned him down, 3 times. He now draws SSD. So by soe standards he is double dipping, but it is earned. YOu dont get any of it with out being FUCKED UP.

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2018 9:22 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 09:22:35 -0400

I have served 5.5 years active and another 8.5 in the reserves. So far i have not broken anything, I hope I never do.

On multiple occasions I have had soldiers tell me to go get my ratings, you deployed you are entitled to something. Too many people are trying to get one over on Uncle Sam because "he got one over on me".
I am a huge believer in taking what you need even if its less than what you deserve.. But threat choice is mine not yours.

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made Sep 8 at 2018 9:22 AM

CSM Andrew Perrault — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 09:22:48 -0400

If they meet the standards, I'm all for it. It's the folks that sham the system I can't stand.

Response by Cpl John Devlin made Sep 8 at 2018 9:28 AM

Cpl John Devlin — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 09:28:45 -0400

If you payed into it, put the time in. Then you earned it. End of story. Anybody who says different is just jealous.

Response by SSG James Henry made Sep 8 at 2018 9:28 AM

SSG James Henry — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 09:28:56 -0400

I wouldn't worry about the one's who say triple dipping is getting over on the system. Believe me if you are getting it you deserve it.

Response by LTC Joe Tyron made Sep 8 at 2018 9:30 AM

LTC Joe Tyron — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 09:30:47 -0400

Don’t confuse the three different programs. First if you qualify for a retirement that is a separate thing. The vestment period for military retirement is 20 years , that is 4 times the vestment period of a private industry pension program. If you leave at 18 years you get nothing. It has nothing to do with disability. Disability from the VA is based on your medical records and VA examination. You don’t decide disability...the VA does. The average 45 year old that has never served does not have 4 to 8 acute injuries that would get you 50-100% disability. Finally SSD is something you paid into with FICA. It’s your money and dam hard to get if you are under 55. If you qualify for all 3, I guarantee you need it. Talk to some veteran retirees who qualify for all three....they aren’t getting over. Their health is bad and their QOL isn’t great.

Response by SFC Quinn Chastant made Sep 8 at 2018 10:31 AM

SFC Quinn Chastant — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 10:31:59 -0400

I retired without disability compensation from the Army Reserves even though I may qualify due too knee and ankle injuries, along with skin problems and conditions from various chemical and environmental exposures acquired on while Active Duty. Later I retired from a DoD Civilian Firefighter's position under FERS. Thus I have two Gov't Retirements. I can always seek to have my knee and ankle injuries re-evaluated to see if I qualify for VA disability, currently I don't see the need for myself though I do have some recurring pain. If I wasn't doing a volunteer gig currently for no pay, I could go back to work and further pad my Social Security, and build another 401K for future fun. But when you consider that Service members may be medically retired and qualify for benefits, they earned. It is up to them to file for and to collect. but there may be offsets to medical retirement pay based upon earned income that depends upon the era the person was in service. Under CSRS rules you cannot have 2 gov't pensions. Under FERS rules since one is a 407K plan you can have 2 gov't pensions. A medical retirement may not be taxed at the same rate as regular retirement (it is generally a lower amount if at all depending upon jurisdictions). But ultimately I am not a Medical Practitioner, qualified to rate the level of disability some one receives, gets treatment, and compensation for. But I have seen the nature of the injuries other service members received, some are well deserving of the "Triple Dip" as you put it. I don't begrudge them it. Are some riding the system, possibly. The ones who do get caught out, generally become all the more poorer for their actions. But as long as it is legal. No issues from me.

Response by LeRoss Sawin-Porter made Sep 8 at 2018 11:10 AM

LeRoss Sawin-Porter — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 11:10:35 -0400

A local marine veteran who served in vietnam was on 100% disability, he had agent orange, ptsd, and stints in his heart. I don't know exactly why, but his disability was taken from him.

Response by SGT Marc Riordan made Sep 8 at 2018 11:50 AM

SGT Marc Riordan — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 11:50:32 -0400

My VN vet dad was “triple dipping” before he died from complications of his service connected disability(120% VA rating). If you qualify for it, you earned. I am 50%, getting disability and Chap 31 right now.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2018 12:41 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 12:41:04 -0400

If a few people scam karma will catch up. Too many actually need these benefits. I would never want to have a non-working disability rating. A non working rating means that SSI agencies will be always investigating in case they see you cleaning your gutters. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Response by Cpl Cody Gilbert made Sep 8 at 2018 1:17 PM

Cpl Cody Gilbert — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 13:17:49 -0400

You absolutely should make more money retired than while working thats the whole point of working away the best years of your life so you can at least be comfortable in your later years and if you are smart with your money you should easily be able to make more money retired with out triple dipping

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2018 2:43 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 14:43:05 -0400

i haven't applied for SSI benefits but i get the rest, there is also a bigger, less known, area where you can buy back all your milutary time without losing military retirement pay if you were medically retirrd from wounds from war. that will equate to anothr government retirement after 5 years of work, well worth the pain i feel everyday trying to get mobile eniugh to go to work

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2018 5:18 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:18:38 -0400

I think if you qualify you deserve it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2018 5:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:19:53 -0400

After doing 20+ years and all the combat tours getting injured i think triple dipping is the least they can do

Response by SSG Ronald Rollins made Sep 8 at 2018 5:51 PM

SSG Ronald Rollins — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:51:44 -0400

I am retired with 23 years. I have had multiple back surguries that were not successful. I have days I cannot get out of bed. I can't walk without a bad limp. I have bad migraines. Severe joint pain. Dizziness. Ptsd. Bleeding ulcers. Messed up feet. Had my pelvis cracked in 2 places. And that is not all. I retired. Claimed va benefits and rated at 100%. I tried to work. I could not with all the pain. I also get SSDI. I earned all 3. I am NOT triple dipping. I am claiming and getting what I EARNED AND PAID FOR. if people don't like it let them do what I have done. And get what I have.

Response by 1SG Mark Reed made Sep 8 at 2018 6:57 PM

1SG Mark Reed — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 18:57:09 -0400

I'm a retired 1SG 23yrs Active, 100% Disabled, before concurrent receipt was passed into law the VA disability system just didn't make sense. Example: an E3 with 1.5 years of service rated at 80% would make the same retirement that an E7 with 20yrs and 80% disabled . Not fair to flush the E7s pension down the drain. I'm not familiar with the term triple dipping, but one things for sure. I earned my Army pension.

Response by PFC Shawn Densmore made Sep 8 at 2018 8:47 PM

PFC Shawn Densmore — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 20:47:10 -0400

I'm 36, and I'm a post 9/11 veteran. I was in basic when the towers fell. I now suffer from Anxiety, PTSD, and Bipolar Depression. Every day I go to sleep with my back and knees on fire, and wake up the same. It takes every ounce of willpower not to drink myself into a stupor every day. I am on Total and Permanent unemployable disability. I try to keep myself distracted by any means necessary to keep thoughts of suicide out of my head. Do I feel like a burden on the system? Yes, every fucking day. I fight myself every day to realize I did what was best for my family and my health.

Response by SGT Arthur Esannason Sr. made Sep 8 at 2018 8:55 PM

SGT Arthur Esannason Sr. — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 20:55:25 -0400

Politicans pull it off

Response by MSgt Don Smith made Sep 8 at 2018 10:32 PM

MSgt Don Smith — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 22:32:42 -0400

I triple dip 30 federal employee, 36 miltary reserves, SS disability sounds great right ?

I worry all the time if the government will be able to continue paying me or if they just change the rules ... Im screwed . looking for bettercways to invest and diverse

Response by SGT Frank Neuman made Sep 8 at 2018 10:41 PM

SGT Frank Neuman — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 22:41:35 -0400

If you qualify for these benefits and actually earned them I say go for it . This is a stupid question and I wish I wouldn't have wasted time answering it .Next time you have a question put some intelligence into it .

Response by Sgt John Magurn made Sep 8 at 2018 11:30 PM

Sgt John Magurn — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 23:30:11 -0400

You could be the most pog Air Force reserve and you still signed your life away to go fight and die for your family friends and country men. Congress can serve one term of four years(standard enlistment is four years active four years inactive reserve) show up one time, if that, in their four year term and get a 6 figure salary and benefits for life. You want my opinion it should be reversed if you served especially in combat you should get a 6 figure salary. So yes take what you can get brothers you’ve earned it far more than everyone else who’s collecting.

Response by Sgt Paul McGrath made Sep 8 at 2018 11:59 PM

Sgt Paul McGrath — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 23:59:26 -0400

All you whiney bitches need to STFU and mind your GD business....sound like a bunch of Liberal fuckem crybabies. Work on your own lifes. Its amazing what happens when people mind their own business.

Response by Maj Mike SurlyPatriot made Sep 9 at 2018 8:39 AM

Maj Mike SurlyPatriot — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 08:39:45 -0400

Rather concern over this small group, we ought to be more outraged at the larger number that scam for a disability rating they don't qualify for. I had vets at a campground brag about their 'can't disprove' hearing and back pain claims that they used to buy motor homes. And how often I'm challenged by fellow vets because I didn't seek any disability rating after retiring.

Response by SGT Carl Brown made Sep 9 at 2018 10:34 AM

SGT Carl Brown — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 10:34:44 -0400

I'm rated at 70% but paid 100% unemployable due to PTSD anxiety attacks I can only work 9hrs a week before anxieties begin to hit me and loose temper. I also collect SSID for same conditions.. with Bill's I have I still CAN'T make ends meet.. I have a home based business repairing computers in my town I get 1 or 2 calls every 3 or 4 months, I gave a cotton candy machine I use at fairs - they come once a year..and you don't make much... I DON'T have retirement, my wife has medical issues, so if this is triple dipping in order to survive then so be it.. I served in combat, I served this country, I've worked my ass of I EARNED this.. I would have than self medicating or becoming on of the 22 a day (I've come close on several occasions). I ache all over I have nightmares. I have fellow vets they work for the government they have their retirement and their spouse have excellent pay and benefits.. I don't and I'm looked at as undeserving because I'm a POG I was medical and not throwing lead downrange.. I'm treated poorly by these same vets.. so for me they can take a hike.. I no longer care what people think.. we are all vets we all served many were downrange and we all have our demons from it... don't complain about vets that qualify for something you don't..we are trying to survive.... end if file...

Response by Cpl Micheal English made Sep 9 at 2018 11:20 AM

Cpl Micheal English — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 11:20:24 -0400

This country has no qualms about participating or starting wars. There should be no qualms about financially supporting someone who coughed up their entire livelihood in a volunteer fighting force. If a Gunny puts in 20 years; fucks his back, hands and knees up beyond repair; and qualifies, all in the support of national defense: the Gunny has earned it. Fair and square.

Response by SPC Christopher Waine made Sep 11 at 2018 2:17 PM

SPC Christopher Waine — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:17:11 -0400

I am not retired. I sustained multiple injuries. It's not triple dipping if you receive SSD and VA compensation. Two different pots of money. However SSD evaluates on a different standard. If you think the VA is tough then haven't dealt with the SSA. That said. I have had one minor back surgery one major lumbar surgery and a major neck surgery. A veteran cannot receive Pension and Compensation at the same time. That is considered double dipping. If a veteran is getting both if or when the VA catches it the veteran will have to repay. Thats a cold shower. You can switch from Pension to Compensation if at a later time you are paid higher for Compensation.
This coming from a TDIU vet who has been in the VA system since 2006 and receiving TDIU status over a decade later. The more important conversation is the one about making sure that the VA is rating the veteran correctly and giving appropriate ratings for the Primary condition (cause and injury) and the Secondary conditions (symptoms of primary injury). Don't expect the your VSO to do this for you. If you, like me are suffering from injuries take time to learn the VA system. Make friends with your VA patient advocate at your home VAMC. Don't just talk to them when you have a complaint. I stop by and say hello to mine when I am up at appointments. The VA is not the enemy. Just like everything in life if you want it bad enough fight for it. Make the VA system do its job. Use your congressional representatives if necessary. I hate this type of discussion because it hints on veterans throwing other veterans under the bus. There are enough benefits for veterans and if funds run short as they have in the past we have people in DC to put pressure on our leaders to do the right thing. It took me the better part of a decade to get "properly" rated for my primary and secondary conditions. Once that happened I put in for TDIU. It wasn't easy the VA didn't just give it to me. Everytime you put in for an increase or for a new injury claim you chance a rating decrease. Make the VA system work for you. No one said it would be easy cupcake. I help veterans everyday. While its hard and you have to be your own best advocate. Not veteran should have to wait a decade for the support they need. If I had been armed with the information. The few vets that I know who received 100% or TDIU right out the door.... those brothers are in a very bad way from the start. Where many veterans like me have conditions that worsen over time. Your ratings increase should be filed every time your primary and/or secondary conditions worsen. For most; like me it will be an ongoing battle like mine was until you reach your maximum rating. Best of luck to all my brothers and sisters both Veteran and Service members.
Note: The VA really needs to do an Orientation for all exiting service members. Even if a service connected injury doesn't affect you now, it might later. You can still file a claim you will establish service connection for the injury and the VA will manage care for that injury even if they give you a 0% rating. Basically they recognize its service connected but that it is not disabling. That way you don't have to start at square 1 when you have an aggravation or reinjury.

Response by SFC Wayne Garcia made Sep 12 at 2018 11:09 PM

SFC Wayne Garcia — Wed, 12 Sep 2018 23:09:13 -0400

It’s hard to vote either way. The Military treats having ailment that’s permanent as service related even you would havegone through it wether you were in or not. I think combat related injuries as well as those caused by doing your duty, qualify as triple dipping. Ailments that become permanent and not caused by military service shouldn’t be considered.

Response by 1st Lt Meghan Anderson made Sep 25 at 2018 9:26 PM

1st Lt Meghan Anderson — Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:26:49 -0400

You don’t make more than you did when you were active trust me. And it’s not just a “gimme”. IF I had done 20 years before being injured I’d still make less with all three than I could get in the private sector. Besides it’s SSDI - which is different than SSI (income based) and is very difficult to get and keep (they review every 2 years whether you’re rated perm & total by th VA or not). I don’t know why people are even concerned about this - if you qualify you earned it and I wish you well. SSDI btw is what become your Social Security draw at retirement age anyway - you literally paid for it every paycheck - if you need it and can get it now then good for you and hopefully you can pay your bills. Apply for what you can, and take what you’re awarded. Other than that who cares what anyone else is getting - it’s doesnt affect what may be available to you.

Response by 1SG Arturo De Los Reyes made Sep 29 at 2018 2:45 PM

1SG Arturo De Los Reyes — Sat, 29 Sep 2018 14:45:07 -0400

You sacrifice your life for our country. You deserved all you are authorized to get. Time can never be replace what you and your family missed out on because you were not home but out defending our country. 1ST Dee USA Ret. 24yrs active.

Response by GySgt Gunnar Ulfsax made Oct 2 at 2018 10:00 AM

GySgt Gunnar Ulfsax — Tue, 02 Oct 2018 10:00:44 -0400

OK, I’ll get “blasted” for this, but I’m going to play Devils Advocate...... I disagree! I believe that if your receiving your full retirement, and receive compensation from the VA.... you should NOT be entitled to SSDI.
Service members that suffered a Direct Combat related injury (I.e..... were shot, fragged, POW,......) SHOULD qualify, but not Joe Blow that dropped his keyboard on his foot, and now suffers from it daily!
For generations of Americans, pain is a daily reminder of your “working years”, they don’t receive jack shit. But, people that served in the Armed Forces think they rate it because they “put the uniform on”.......BS!
That’s what your retirement pay is for, plus the Gov. is throwing in a pretty decent VA rating for you! How are you different from the Iron Worker that served his time, paid his dues, and now has daily pain?? Because you wore a different suit? Remember, I said Combat Related-Yes, Non/Combat Related-No. Go enjoy your 10% discount, and quit bleeding the Gov dry!
Yes, I receive my pension and VA, I’ve never put in for SSDI..,.., oh, my injury IS direct combat related.....3 from a 47.

Response by MSgt Don Dobbs made Oct 8 at 2018 10:15 AM

MSgt Don Dobbs — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 10:15:51 -0400

First those who qualify earned and paid for all of it. you earned your retirement by serving 20 or more years. You didn't want to become disabled but did due to your service. You paid for your Social Security. None of it is charity it was paid in full by any who earned and paid for it. What I mean by PAID you paid with your mind and body during your service. As far as those who say one earns more than they deserve. These folks cannot work or choose a 2nd career so who's to say how much they are missing out on. Any retiree who cannot work due to service connected disabilities should apply for 100% due to unemployability and SSI.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2018 2:58 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 14:58:36 -0400

I'd go to your doctor SGM. Ask for referrals and get your back fixed, see a neurologist (a private non-government affiliated) about your thumbs and get a conductivity test done.

But by all mean one should always collect the maximum he/she is entitled to.

Response by SSG Glenn Morse made Oct 11 at 2018 9:40 PM

SSG Glenn Morse — Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:40:45 -0400

You can do it as a civilian and only if you qualify. There was a reason these benefits were made available. You earned/ suffered and are entitled why should we have to keep giving after serving. There are not that many that qualify and the numbers you keep hearing are not true, I don't what the next baby that isn't allowed/ qualified says we do not cost the government/ taxpayers that much. If no one likes it than don't send people the serve and those that have a problem with this can go fight and serve alone. I myself am f#$%@&^ tired of all this crap about double or triple dipping. I these dumbass really new why these benefits were given really new or had to be there in person to watch what happens maybe they would shut their damn mouths. If you are against the benefits we get or should get and think I am disrespecting you or are offended by my statements/feelings, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TAKE A LONG WALK ON A SHORT PLANT. Yes I'm tired of this conversation and feel cheated.

Response by MSgt Shawn Sones made Oct 12 at 2018 3:51 PM

MSgt Shawn Sones — Fri, 12 Oct 2018 15:51:09 -0400

Why the hell shouldn't I get my retirement, VA, then Social Security? I earned all of those things, been paying into Social Security since I was 13 (paper route -- yes, it's on my SS benefits printout), I served over 33 years in uniform, and, just because my injuries/illnesses aren't combat-caused or combat-related, I didn't have them before I joined the military. Tell me, how can a Congressman/Senator, on a salary of $180,000.00 per year, be freaking multi-millionaires?

Response by MSgt Shawn Sones made Oct 12 at 2018 3:54 PM

MSgt Shawn Sones — Fri, 12 Oct 2018 15:54:24 -0400

Why shouldn't I get my active duty retirement (less than half of what I made), my VA stipend (only 30% rated), then my Social Security? I've been paying into Social Security since I was 13 (paper route, and yes it's on my SS benefit printout); I served over 33 years in uniform, and just because my injuries and issues aren't combat-caused or combat-related doesn't mean they weren't caused by my military service. How is it that a Congressman/Senator, on a $180,000.00 per year salary, can be a multi-millionaire?

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Oct 19 at 2018 8:15 AM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 08:15:39 -0400

I'm a veteran and I so called triple dip because it was not my option to be reviewed for service connection and I bust my ass to retire, Then I was smart enough to write out a resume and get a job to survive on the outside world. I think it is up to the service member if they want to triple dip and if your lazy just living off off retirement and 6trying to make a living off your percentage good for you and my hat is off to you. I'm driving on and soon I'll be retired twice and what you going say about that.

Response by CPL Timothy Coffey made Oct 26 at 2018 6:17 PM

CPL Timothy Coffey — Fri, 26 Oct 2018 18:17:57 -0400

If you worked and put into all systems than yes, I am not military retired but I am a Contaminated Veteran from TCE/PCE and I also worked and paid taxes in private sector, so I earned disability by being contaminated, and earned SS by working sick all my life since service and on average contaminated Veterans will die 29 years early. Not to mention we live from early age depending on when the military poisoned us, from that point are organs start breaking down like liver first, then Kidney's, stomach, etc...TCE has been found to be carcinogen, and causes autoimmune conditions, I have a list of 50 things wrong mostly due to TCE causing rare disease Sceroloderma. But we used it to clean weapons and equipment in service for decades, and it got into the water sources, by time I got in, it was highly toxic water and we would exercise and come back to barracks and drink poison by the gallon. See Ronald Reagan and Super fund sites, but we continued to us it why we spent billions to clean it up??? So yes I earned that, and my benefits by hard years of labor.

Response by LTC Jon P. Comis made Nov 15 at 2018 10:53 PM

LTC Jon P. Comis — Thu, 15 Nov 2018 22:53:48 -0500

Are we talking CRDP, or SSN?

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Nov 24 at 2018 2:50 AM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Sat, 24 Nov 2018 02:50:10 -0500

How does one "triple dip"? I know double dipping is when you're retired from the military, get a DOD job for 20 or more years then draw retirement from that too. But if you mean military retirement, civilian retirement and drawing VA compensation, then I guess that's triple dipping. Remember retirement is only 50% of your active duty/civilian job pay and VA compensation is what the VA voodoo man thinks you were injuryed enough for.

Response by 1SG Clifford Barnes made Nov 25 at 2018 1:29 PM

1SG Clifford Barnes — Sun, 25 Nov 2018 13:29:58 -0500

Disagree if you served and was injured especially if it occurred in combat zone you should be able to draw both. If your being treated and retired what’s the issue

Response by Lt Col Donald Eldridge made Nov 27 at 2018 6:14 PM

Lt Col Donald Eldridge — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 18:14:49 -0500

Civilians hurt on the job are entitled to Workman's Compensation evaluation of benefit. How many of them are hurt by IEDs or RPGs? I am a 22 year retired Lt.Col and former enlisted, with a 50% VA disability for spinal surgery. I only asked for what the system allowed, and I do not feel guilty about it.

Response by LTC Gary Earls made Nov 29 at 2018 9:39 PM

LTC Gary Earls — Thu, 29 Nov 2018 21:39:33 -0500

I'm a retired Army Reservist. My 10% VA disability is deducted from my military retirement pay. I've heard that retired Active Duty personnel who have VA disability. The disability isn't deducted from their retirement pay. Does anyone know the truth?? Thanks.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Nov 30 at 2018 7:54 AM

LTC John Griscom — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 07:54:44 -0500

It's called "I worked for it".

Response by SFC José Velázquez made Nov 30 at 2018 8:00 AM

SFC José Velázquez — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 08:00:53 -0500

A military pension is a reward from the people of the United States for more than 20 years of active duty service. Many of us are lucky that we came out ok and never made a VA claim, but many did not. We serve and if the system approves the extra benefits (I don’t want to use the word dipping) we are entitled, go for it, anyway to receive those benefits from the VA system have to be approved VA don’t going to give you anything free you have to proved it happened during your military service. Also many Veterans are wrong in prejudging other veterans because the benefits we are entitled and they don’t receive, no one knows what that veteran went through in his or her military service. My 20 years plus, my VA disability are my reward and entitlement, my regular social security benefits are my quotas that I pay with more than 45 years of hard work. I hate the word dipping.

Response by SSgt Jerry DeLaney made Nov 30 at 2018 8:25 AM

SSgt Jerry DeLaney — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 08:25:40 -0500

If a person serves for 20 years or more, they get 100 percent of the retirement they are eligible for (50% @ 20 yrs, 75% @ 30 yrs.) They pay taxes on that money. A person who is a veteran with a service connected disability draws every dime of their tax free disability payments even if they only served a partial enlistment.
I served 20 years 10 months. My 30% nontaxable disability payment is subtracted from my retirement money. In other words, 70% of my retirement income is taxed and 30% is not. Why are people like me penalized? Shouldn't I get 100% of my retirement and my 30% disability?

Response by PO2 Bill Beckwith made Dec 1 at 2018 4:04 PM

PO2 Bill Beckwith — Sat, 01 Dec 2018 16:04:39 -0500

"FOR" US Coast Guard Combat wounded, WIA 69, served 66-70, Vietnam 68-69, VACP SMC-L1 with Aid & Attendance, 100% Disabled, most disabilities Agent Orange related.

Response by SSgt Mose Carter made Dec 2 at 2018 5:47 PM

SSgt Mose Carter — Sun, 02 Dec 2018 17:47:16 -0500

These are not entitlements, these are earned benefits. There should be no shame in your game about those who are envious of what you are receiving. They would have had the same opportunity had they put that life on the line for our great nation. To hell with all of the haters.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2018 3:51 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 15:51:55 -0500

I don't have access to the statistics, but aren't most of the "Tripple Dippers" actually "Quadruple Dippers"? CRSC can be substantial when considering those who receive SSDI did not make the required 10 year average of 120K annually to qualify for the maximum amount of $2,788 per month, but might be 100% P&T by VA.

All in all, it's on the up and up as these agencies will not just give up money if they're not required. Many of us have had to try multiple times to get well documented injuries approved and spent thousands on representation to get it worded correctly.

If you feel bad for taking Uncle Sams money, donate some of it to mend your bleeding heart. Otherwise, I don't know what to tell you.

Response by SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez made Dec 6 at 2018 1:07 PM

SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 13:07:27 -0500

There has to be a valid reason why some folks are "triple dipping". With that said, I don't think they're out and about going to malls or working like more fortunate individuals. And in my honest opinion, if the military squeezed 20 years out you/me, why not try to get as much as you can? 20 years is a very long time, and it is almost guarantee something is going to be wrong with you at the time of your retirement. So for those that are receiving what they need, good for them as long it is legit.

Response by CPL James S. made Dec 9 at 2018 10:23 AM

CPL James S. — Sun, 09 Dec 2018 10:23:22 -0500

Offered IMHO only based on my observations as an Army Brat, active duty member and now as a disabled veteran.

As for triple dipping, which I assume is retirement for the military, civil service and then disability from the VA: none of that is a reward for anything. it is *earned* by service or infirmity due to service and often paid for in blood, sweat and tears.

another observation
In any other job, if the company you work for creates a situation where they are the direct cause of an injury then that company is required, by law, to cover the expenses of your injury treatment. This does not in any way affect the retirement benefit which you pay into and can draw in the future, even if it's with the company. The only effect it may have in the future is your Social Security payout.

Taking that into consideration: why should anyone have to discontinue receiving financial compensation if it's earned?

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Dec 9 at 2018 6:13 PM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:13:09 -0500

SGM Mikel Dawson, I am very confused why you lost your 40%! The reality is you shut had got more as a veteran & need to appeal your case if you have your medical records. I am at 90% hoping to get my 100% because I am n’t able to work plus three surgery. My point is it make no cents why you lost your case & why are you who work hard didn’t fight for what you earn. Good luck & hope you get back your rating.

Response by Cpl George Goodwin made Dec 9 at 2018 6:32 PM

Cpl George Goodwin — Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:32:14 -0500

Not exactly sure what you mean by triple dipping but here is my opinion. If you received a medical retirement or a regular retirement from the military you should not be eligible for VA compensation. You are already compensated for your injury or time. If you were found to have a service related matter after separation that is what the VA is for. If you need other VA services, go for it.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Dec 9 at 2018 6:51 PM

CW4 Craig Urban — Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:51:38 -0500

I tripe dip. W4 pension 26 years. OPM 18 years. Social Security. I paid my taxes. The deduct 10 percent of my SSA for medicare and I am not covered overseas.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Dec 9 at 2018 6:52 PM

CW4 Craig Urban — Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:52:14 -0500

I do

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Dec 9 at 2018 10:27 PM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Sun, 09 Dec 2018 22:27:49 -0500

Triple dipping ? If You worked for each of the requirements and qualify individually for each just how is that receiving more than Your entitled to ? If these are plans You earned those then retire from one job and take on another then get less retirement than You earned from the 2nd job. Add social security, which You paid into and earned. that completes a triple dip ? It at one point years ago wasn't considered so but then in the early 1970s suddenly was. Well Government mismanaged and the money has to come from somewhere, that's You !

Response by PO2 Higinio Casarez made Dec 11 at 2018 7:42 PM

PO2 Higinio Casarez — Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:42:45 -0500

what people don't understand is these people sacrificed a lot and really are still paying for it. whether its PTSD or loss of limbs, so yeah if they meet the requirements, then go for it.

Response by CW3 Raymond Mead made Dec 11 at 2018 9:48 PM

CW3 Raymond Mead — Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:48:26 -0500

First of all what do you consider "Triple Dipping."? I draw fifty percent service connected disability, fifty one percent in military retirement, and I have lived long enough to collect my Social Security. All of these are earned entitlements. When I retired as a Regular Army Warrant Officer, if I had gone to work for the DOD I would have forfeited a percentage of my retirement pay under the Dual Compensation Act. That was to discourage "Double Dipping" where people came back to work at their old job as GS-11 or higher. I declined paying to work for the Army. Interestingly SGMs were exempt from Dual Compensation, as were all enlisted personnel. And yes they did make more money than they did on active duty, but where is the harm in that? At one time in the early seventies when DOD was reviewing the retirement program, there was discussion of an offset to retirement pay in the amount of Social Security when the service member reached the age to receive it. That was shot down because it money that had been deducted from military pay and any employment after retirement. Also, if we live long enough the chances of our retirement pay increasing to a point where it is more than our active duty pay becomes a possibility. That was the case of some senior NCOs who retired in the Early seventies who had retired before the large increases in retirement pay during those years. A question I have always asked of critics of Double or Triple Dipping is what is the difference if a retiree draws his retirement Military Disability, and works a good job or if he dose the same thing and quits when is old enough for Social Security, or continues to work and draws all three plus his salary? We are allowed to draw all three entitlements and a full paycheck if we waits until we are sixty seven. It is no sin to draw more in retirement than we did on active duty. I receive almost twice what I earned on active duty and it still isn't as much as my active duty contemporaries do today. Isn't that what capitalism is all about?

Response by Maybelle Schreible made Dec 12 at 2018 12:14 PM

Maybelle Schreible — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:14:55 -0500

After what our servicemen-and-women go through and how little they get paid to go through it, I'm surprised that there are even 11% down-voting this. Good grief. When people are hurt, they're HURT; if disabled, they're DISABLED. Since when did our culture get so heartless that we would accuse hurt and disabled people of scamming the system? Is there anyone out there scamming the system? Probably. Are they in the majority? No way. Let's give people - especially those who have served our country - the benefit of the doubt here, folks. Taking care of our veterans is tax money well spent; in my opinion it's better spent than buying more weapons to start new wars and make another whole generation of disabled veterans!

Response by FN Douglas Finney made Dec 12 at 2018 7:38 PM

FN Douglas Finney — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:38:45 -0500

VA Disability can be seen like a lawsuit settlement- you were injured wrongfully and you have won a lawsuit that states it pays you x dollars per month for your lifetime. SSDI is a benefit paid into by the recipient that is awarded upon proving a disability. Anyone who retires from the Military has EARNED their pension. Anyone that served and collects disability has been through a painstaking process to get rates for a VA disability. These are earned things or contractual obligations that had to be won. This isnt getting over. These are real solutions to real problems that real people put their asses on the line to earn. If you think it isnt earned, then I challenge you to go serve an enlistment and convince me AFTER you are honorably discharged.

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Dec 15 at 2018 1:30 PM

PO2 Paul Dempsey — Sat, 15 Dec 2018 13:30:37 -0500

Less than 1% of American's serve. If you where harmed physically or for that matter pyhchologicaly while serving you deserve compensation and plenty of it. Those who have served stepped up when others didnt. I say what you get is a small price for the 99% who didn't step up to pay. You should be able to live financially secure as payment for your service and it's life long affects. If they think it's not fair let's go to mandatory service for all. Otherwise if you didnt step, shut up.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2018 12:28 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Dec 2018 12:28:02 -0500

Is this really an issue? I mean you have to be pretty knowledgeable and/or really banged up to work the system like that. If that bad, im sure the vast majority of the time its justified. I got my number punched on my last tour in Afghanistan. Army medically retired me at 26 years at 60%. VA gave me 90%, but of course while service connected said it wasnt combat related...so i only get my VA, and the balance of retirement afterward. Only plus is 75% of my "retirement" is tax free. I dont push it because despite the nagging back and knee pain i work and its not worth the effort fighting. Also, theres a pretty big chunk of politicians and citizens that seem to care more about illegals and "refugees" more than us and pushing to set them up. So if a handful of service people are getting over...screw it

Response by SGT James Hunsinger made Dec 17 at 2018 6:00 PM

SGT James Hunsinger — Mon, 17 Dec 2018 18:00:01 -0500

I did not get the opportunity to retire. I was injured at 13 years in the army. I was medically discharged and over the years things got worse for me and I ended up receiving 100% service connected but not P&T because they said my PTSD might get better. Four years ago I had a motorcycle accident that destroyed my career as a Radiological Technologist, after that I started drawing SSDI after over two years of dealing with a lawyer and the Social Security system.

One major factor I would like to point out in this is that SSDI is not a factor in VA disability in the context of this post's subject. SSDI is Social Security Disability Insurance which we have all paid premiums for if you are working a tax paying job. This should not be considered a part of a "triple dip" as it were. You paid for it, why shouldn't you use it? Do you use your car insurance when there has been an accident? Do they pay for your car if it has been totaled? SSDI is the same thing. Insurance for if you are totaled and has nothing to do with military service so this even being considered a part of triple dipping is misconceived.

Concurrent receipt is also something that was fixed not long ago and rightly so. You serve 20+ years in the military and you receive your pension. So before concurrent receipt, if you have disabilities that any other soldier, such as myself would receive a check for, you as the retiree who did a full 20 years would only receive a tax exemption for that amount of your retirement pay even though you are suffering with the same issues that other soldier is receiving compensation for. Where is the fairness in that? You did a full career and for that you aren't supposed to receive the same compensation for disabilities that other soldiers are getting paid for? That concept is also ludicrous, which is why concurrent receipt came into being.

My apologies for the length of my reply but this issue is very close to me as I have several friends and my father who were getting screwed, in my opinion, before concurrent receipt.

I do not feel there is such a thing as triple dipping. There is getting what you have paid for, sacrificed for, and put in your time for. Service members provide much more than the normal clock punching masses. They deserve everything they get.

Response by SSG Mike Zientek made Dec 17 at 2018 9:47 PM

SSG Mike Zientek — Mon, 17 Dec 2018 21:47:51 -0500

SSDI is based on social security taxes you paid from your wages.
Both military and civilian wages.

Response by SSgt John Hutto made Dec 18 at 2018 12:14 PM

SSgt John Hutto — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 12:14:16 -0500

no i dont make more retired than i did serving! i dont know who said that, but thats a crock! you dont get housing allowance anymore, you dont get bah and bas anymore! so no, you dont make more retired than you do when you served! even if you did, i thank anyone that did serve deserves to! we put our lives on the line so yeah its deserved!

Response by PO1 Chris Marshall made Dec 18 at 2018 1:42 PM

PO1 Chris Marshall — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:42:24 -0500

When I got out of the Navy in 1992 I was hurting for money because of a divorce and I was offered to take the special bonus to get out. When I asked the Yoeman how they came up with the amount he said it is what I put into my retirement account. Didn't everyone pay taxes and social security taxes, well guess what that is only part of it. How can you double dip from your own 401k, you can't. This is a bullshit law that kept me from getting a federal job, claiming my disability that my coreman told me to claim because I was told they would demand it all back. And guess what happened, they did and I get nothing until 2023. Homeless damn near if it wasn't for my family, I am going through some bad stuff this just sucks.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2018 2:03 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:03:34 -0500

I'm a disabled vet receiving 90% (to include TBI/PTSD along with physical disabilities) and there are things that I just can not do anymore both physically and mentally... I am 54 yrs old so it is to early for me to receive any retirement pay (I believe) I've learned in the last few years that we(I) should not judge people by their cover... because you really never know what they are dealing with...

Response by LTC Pete Moore made Dec 18 at 2018 5:11 PM

LTC Pete Moore — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 17:11:39 -0500

Yes if they are qualified, it is the law AND they earned it!

Response by SFC William Huse made Dec 18 at 2018 8:07 PM

SFC William Huse — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 20:07:06 -0500

I just started to receive my military retirement at age 60. Just found out they take my disability away. Bullshit! These are two different things. My knees are so bad after 82nd, I am going to have to have surgery at some point. On top of that I put in 8 active and 14 reserve and now they screw me. Don't ever trust the government, they are as crooked as the gangsters they put away for years.

Response by SPC Preston O'Connor made Dec 19 at 2018 9:20 AM

SPC Preston O'Connor — Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:20:32 -0500

I did my twenty and earned my pension. I get money from the VA for my injuries. Two different reasons; related but separate. My Doctor told me I lived a vigorous and interesting life. Now I have to pay for it. He also said if he showed my spine MRI to another doctor they would guess my age at 75- I am 50. At Ft Benning I was taught that pain is weakness leaving the body; they never said it was coming back

Response by CPO Michael Hatten made Dec 20 at 2018 10:18 PM

CPO Michael Hatten — Thu, 20 Dec 2018 22:18:48 -0500

I google it and it appears that if you are rated 50% or higher, you can draw both a disability pension and your retirement pay. Social Security doesn't care about either. My own view is that a disability pension is given to veterans to make up for the fact that their injury prevents them from being able to work (like workman's comp). By that logic, the old rules that made you trade retirement dollars for disability dollars kind of made sense. But, Congress knew what it wanted to do when it changed the rules so if they want to give you an extra reward for getting hurt, so be it. I know that I would rather be healthy than to be injured enough to be drawing a few extra bucks from the government so I don't resent people who qualify.

Response by 1SG Mark Reed made Dec 21 at 2018 1:39 PM

1SG Mark Reed — Fri, 21 Dec 2018 13:39:36 -0500

Know one triple dips, veterans earned their benefits plain and simple. If your not getting benefits and you've earned them, you should get with the DAV and get what you deserve. If you dont qualify, dont complain about those that do.

Response by Maj John Johnston made Dec 22 at 2018 10:52 PM

Maj John Johnston — Sat, 22 Dec 2018 22:52:04 -0500

Both a pension and SS are earned through hard work, sacrifice that most cannot imagine. If a military retiree is disabled as a result of his active duty he darn sure deserves compensation via a VA rating. If a non retiree receives a rating because of injuries incurred on active duty obviously a career vet deserves it as well. VA disability rating as a result of injury should be given regardless. Very few actually triple dip. Those who do, "rate" every penny!

Response by SFC Bill Snyder made Dec 23 at 2018 8:24 AM

SFC Bill Snyder — Sun, 23 Dec 2018 08:24:09 -0500

Oh, yes. When I retired after 24 1/2 years of active duty, I went into Law Enforcement, and after another 30+ years retired from that job. after a few years I took a part-time job with local University just to keep busy. Oh yeah, BTW, before I retired from Law Enforcement, I started to draw Social Security. So I guess I am a Triple Dipper And a half. Enjoying every minute of it and I DON'T miss any of my previous jobs. Forgot, I am rated at 40% VA (Combat related) so does that make me a Quadruple Dipper. So be it. And, I dare ANYONE to say I don't deserve it.

Response by SSG Robert Ball made Dec 23 at 2018 9:59 PM

SSG Robert Ball — Sun, 23 Dec 2018 21:59:39 -0500

Bottom line if u qualify get it.... what about the troops that got injured and can't work either from Todd or a injury shouldn't they be able to triple dip so they can make a living and raise a family because we all know there is no way to do that unless you are triple dipping. So for all u out there that say no probably never spent a day in a icu or being evac off some MSR like oh i.dont know maybe route irish or whale in 2004 thru 2007 then after you get tubes shoved into every hole in your body and then evac to Germany spend a week there having army docs actually performing surgery on you oh and you live thru that alone. Then you get sent to some state side program that is attached to the base hospital and then you survive that and all the medical boards after that and by the grace of God the army and the govt seem to think thwre is no way you can stay in or ever work a job again "you get to triple dip" that's what it takes to get that u just don't put in a form or two trust me. So for you to even ask that question amazes me. For those of you that don't think it's rite well I bet you haven't been there yet because I bet it's not coming from the ones that have....come on people take care of our troops if they qualify let them get it period

Response by SSG Robert Ball made Dec 23 at 2018 11:15 PM

SSG Robert Ball — Sun, 23 Dec 2018 23:15:17 -0500

So.apprently they don't like my comment about this because they removed it so I will make it easy...if you have to ask this question then you have never had to go thru what you have to go thru to get it and you shouldn't pose a question like that unless you have been thru the process. Trust me it isn't just given out

Response by SSG Ricky Johnson made Dec 24 at 2018 9:27 AM

SSG Ricky Johnson — Mon, 24 Dec 2018 09:27:41 -0500

I don’t understand this. If you are receiving money, the perception should be is that it is due to you, not that you are scheming the system. To receive retirement or veterans benefits, you don’t have to be impoverished with no assets (except to utilize the veterans homes). If you retire and have shown that you have a service connected disability, you earned the right to claim it! It is not charity. I used to hear this about military retirees that went to work for the Government. They had to start just like anyone else, but because they were earning a paycheck, civilians would yell at the top of their lungs, no fair they are double dipping! But it was ok if they had went to work as a contractor. Still getting paid from the government, but thru a contract. If sime folks don’t have anything else to bitch about, they will make something up.

Response by SGT Mark Hasch made Dec 24 at 2018 9:44 AM

SGT Mark Hasch — Mon, 24 Dec 2018 09:44:51 -0500

It's funny how civilians think we get handed everything on a silver platter!!!

Response by TSgt John LaBelle made Dec 24 at 2018 5:41 PM

TSgt John LaBelle — Mon, 24 Dec 2018 17:41:50 -0500

Retirement and disability is two different things. If you have served 20+ years and have retired. You have earned that. As far as service connected disabilities and those payments should be payed and considered separate regardless of the rating.

Response by SGT Bruce Barber made Dec 25 at 2018 11:02 AM

SGT Bruce Barber — Tue, 25 Dec 2018 11:02:19 -0500

You served, you earned it. Go get it.

Response by Sgt John de Nugent made Dec 25 at 2018 6:11 PM

Sgt John de Nugent — Tue, 25 Dec 2018 18:11:18 -0500

When I think of the corporate fatcats, may of them crooks, being bailed out, yes, our fighting men deserve every break.

Response by PO2 Steven Parker made Dec 27 at 2018 6:56 PM

PO2 Steven Parker — Thu, 27 Dec 2018 18:56:55 -0500

I retired as an E-7 with 37 years of service with 6 years active 32 years Guard With 30 years civil service (guard) and got 70% from the VA because of Agent Orange. My Social Security was cut by 3/4 because of the Civil Service and 1 year off the civil service because I was deployed (at 54 years old)for a year just before I could retire and would not have time to buy it back. Out of 1100 a month SS I get $209.00 With out the VA Disability I would be broke. Oh yeah I went to Vietnam 3 times.

Response by Sgt Ron Harris made Dec 27 at 2018 11:19 PM

Sgt Ron Harris — Thu, 27 Dec 2018 23:19:07 -0500

Hey, we have 535 mopes in Congress that does it, but then again, they make their own rules.

Response by SSG Dean Baker made Dec 28 at 2018 10:12 PM

SSG Dean Baker — Fri, 28 Dec 2018 22:12:02 -0500

How come illegal immigrants receive more benefits than vetrans

Response by Marlene Hessler made Dec 29 at 2018 11:47 AM

Marlene Hessler — Sat, 29 Dec 2018 11:47:05 -0500

You paid the price. You should receive what you paid for. Same goes for Civil Service employees that also paid into Social Security. You earned it, you should get it. Liberals want to deprive the earners and reward the nonproductive.

Response by SFC Richard Baerlocher made Dec 30 at 2018 1:36 AM

SFC Richard Baerlocher — Sun, 30 Dec 2018 01:36:58 -0500

I retired as an E-7, with 20 percent disability. I get my retirement pay, and I get Retirement from OPM for working 21 years for the Postal Service. I am also getting social Security. If that is triple dipping, then I am guilty as charged. I have many medical problems that the VA refuses to consider as service connected. I feel that I earned every cent I am receiving for my retirement.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2018 7:11 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Dec 2018 07:11:58 -0500

Why not? For your retirement pay and social security, that's deferred compensation. For disability, that's compensation for something lost.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2018 7:31 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Dec 2018 07:31:51 -0500

Actually, come to think of it, let's apply basic economics to the issue:

If you were to ask any of these triple-dippers if they would gladly give up all of their "extra" income just to be back down to 30% disability, I'm pretty sure each and every one would take that in a heartbeat. That tells me, far from abusing the situation, they are grossly underpaid for what they have lost.

There is a cost to going to war - or just maintaining a fighting force, and our leaders are unwilling to fund it.

Response by MSgt Walter Thomason made Dec 30 at 2018 9:46 AM

MSgt Walter Thomason — Sun, 30 Dec 2018 09:46:38 -0500

How is it triple dipping if this is what is allowed by law?

Response by MSgt Peter Vatistas made Dec 30 at 2018 9:58 AM

MSgt Peter Vatistas — Sun, 30 Dec 2018 09:58:49 -0500

I feel that a VA rating should be to compensate a vet for WHATEVER disability he has that was determined to be service related, and that compensation should be given ON TOP of everything else (i.e. drill pay, retirement pay, etc.).

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2018 10:10 AM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 10:10:50 -0500

If youve spent 20 years in you fully deserve to get the pension. Its kinda a miserable way to go if you are in constant pain.

Response by GySgt Lawrence D. Pool made Jan 1 at 2019 5:08 PM

GySgt Lawrence D. Pool — Tue, 01 Jan 2019 17:08:05 -0500

I don't mind telling you that I am a "Quadruple Dipper": Marine Corps Retired, Civil Service Retired, Social Security and 70% VA Disability. Before my first wife died, we had six paychecks.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jan 2 at 2019 8:17 AM

LTC John Griscom — Wed, 02 Jan 2019 08:17:34 -0500

It's called "earned", not "entitlement".

Response by PO1 David Newman made Jan 2 at 2019 1:49 PM

PO1 David Newman — Wed, 02 Jan 2019 13:49:54 -0500

It was earned. Stay the course and you can EARN it also.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2019 5:39 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Jan 2019 17:39:46 -0500

If we're part of the 2-4% that served, many voluntarily, I say yes, especially to the wounded. We definitely earned it.

Response by CW4 Abdulaziz Bulling made Jan 3 at 2019 5:48 AM

CW4 Abdulaziz Bulling — Thu, 03 Jan 2019 05:48:31 -0500

First, military retirement is unpaid overtime; disability from the va only shields a portion of your retirement pay from taxes. As far as SSI, you have paid for that out of your salary your whole life so that is your money that you rightly deserve. I have served and worked my ass off for the last 52 years and deserve every penny I am entitled to.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2019 2:06 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Jan 2019 14:06:00 -0500

All of the "triple dip", is earned. SSI everyone pays into (that's employed), so everyone has this "dip", 20+ year retirement = earned (although only 17% of active Duty serves 20+). VA benefits are also earned thru sacrifice and are payable to anyone who serves one day on AD if injured, exposed, or killed. But I am speculating concurrent receipt is what SSG Hendrix is really asking about. As I explained above, each portion is earned separately by those who qualify, so why should anyone be denied a benefit simply because the earned and are receiving something. That is discrimination...

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2019 8:30 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Jan 2019 20:30:12 -0500

Why is this even a debate?

Response by CPL Brian Clouser made Jan 6 at 2019 6:33 PM

CPL Brian Clouser — Sun, 06 Jan 2019 18:33:08 -0500

VA has me rated as 50% and Social Security has me as 100% disable and I'm collecting both. Would it be any different if you were collecting retirement pay from the military and Social Security? One you earned and the other you pay into

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2019 11:48 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 11:48:02 -0500

I think they should make it easier to collect from the multiple sources. For one, those in pain are still in pain no matter how much they make, they should at least be compensated for it. Secondly, I don't know if anyone who retires at 20 years and never has to work again. Those disabilities still effect the second careers and again there should be compensation.

Response by CPT Robert Boshears made Feb 10 at 2019 4:43 PM

CPT Robert Boshears — Sun, 10 Feb 2019 16:43:52 -0500

No!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2019 10:39 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Feb 2019 10:39:04 -0500

It's not dipping. It is the receipt of entitlements earned and authorized by law. Concurrent receipt righted a long standing wrong.

Response by SSG Edward Richardson made Feb 26 at 2019 4:17 PM

SSG Edward Richardson — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 16:17:19 -0500

You earn retirement pension for time served. you qualify for disability compensation by sacrificing your health. If after all of that you can still carry a government job, good on you! You earned it all you should be able to get it all! If you cna't continue to work, you paid into SSA you should be able to collect that SSDI as well.

Response by SMSgt Alex Medina made Feb 28 at 2019 11:01 AM

SMSgt Alex Medina — Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:01:26 -0500

If you earned it and qualify for the benefits, then you should apply for any and all benefits!!!

Response by SSG Brian G. made Mar 4 at 2019 2:41 AM

SSG Brian G. — Mon, 04 Mar 2019 02:41:29 -0500

One, it is not double or even triple dipping. Two, it is what the servicemember earned during service to their country. They joined up and were in some kind of physical, mental and medical readiness. The military improved upon that to a degree to prepare the member for the rigors of serving. During that service those members are likely to have seen and done things that leave a lasting impact on the servicemember. They EARNED that retirement. They earned any VA disability they got or are getting. They earned that SSI through being disabled.

If the member qualifies for the payment, go for it. It is not always easy to get and they often have to fight tooth and nail to get it and what they get, they need.

Response by SGT Everett Bickford made Mar 12 at 2019 8:36 AM

SGT Everett Bickford — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 08:36:04 -0400

i'm more concerned about congress triple, quadriple,... ( however high they can go with the multiples) dipping. There are very strict limitations on what a soldier can "accomplish" in this regard. Free enterprise is one of the keys that helped make this country GREAT! If a soldier has the drive, insight, connections, and ability, s/he has my approval.

Response by CPT Johnny Morris made Mar 17 at 2019 6:08 PM

CPT Johnny Morris — Sun, 17 Mar 2019 18:08:15 -0400

In my opinion this an another example of DoD member getting shafted. In the “civilian” world a person with an the job injury and awarded a disability percentage does not have that amount deducted from their retirement. There is no “over 50%” threshold. You get whatever the disability percentage allows and your retirement in full. I would do it again because I am a patriot but I do not think it is fair the way those with a less than 51% disability are required to pay for a on the job injury.

Response by SFC Justin Rooks made Apr 11 at 2019 10:53 AM

SFC Justin Rooks — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:53:42 -0400

When I was a Recruiter, I used to tell the young men/women I enlisted that by enlisting, you are basically giving the Army your person to use in the manner they see fit. When you finish and you leave, make sure they take care of you accordingly. A lot of people don't understand that serving puts a lot of undue stress and punishment on your body and you should take advantage of every benefit that you're entitled to. From the education benefits to retirement (if you make it that far) to disability (if you're eligible). It's making sure the Government does right by you for serving.

Response by PO1 Richard Norton made Apr 23 at 2019 7:11 AM

PO1 Richard Norton — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:11:53 -0400

I served in the USN for 20 years. I am 22 years into a second career with the government. When I finally retire and if its still available I will be eligible for Social Security. As far as I am concerned if you've earned it you should be entitled to it.

Response by SSgt Robert Bell made May 1 at 2019 4:19 PM

SSgt Robert Bell — Wed, 01 May 2019 16:19:16 -0400

I worked before I went into the USAF. Spent 5 years, one in Nam, and have PTSD from that fun time. But working kept it from kicking in. I won’t go through all the jobs I did, many volunteering, but when I fully retired 7 years ago it came to me like a punch in the guts. I get a pension from two civilian jobs and one for my PTSD. So would that be double dipping? I think not!

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made May 24 at 2019 5:53 PM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Fri, 24 May 2019 17:53:17 -0400

With the upheaval in benefits that the federal government is causing, I'd say you better get what you, while you can.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jun 2 at 2019 3:23 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 15:23:05 -0400

Well, let's see. I served in the Army for 21 years. I get 20% disability, and I'm currently working for the Government where I'll be getting ANOTHER retirement check in the next 15 years. Bottom line, If you EARNED it, WHAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM?!?!

Response by SFC David Pope, MBA made Jun 4 at 2019 7:39 PM

SFC David Pope, MBA — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 19:39:15 -0400

Some days I have a hard time moving. I try working out at the gym, but there are days that it hurts to even get dressed. I am rated at 40% and was forced to retire at 16 years for medical conditions. As an E-7 with 16 years my retirement won't amount to crap. My VA disability pays a few bills, but I have to make sure my civilian job pays off. If you can hit the trifecta, I say take it. We don't get what we earned anyway.

Response by MSgt Thomas Mills made Jun 6 at 2019 11:05 AM

MSgt Thomas Mills — Thu, 06 Jun 2019 11:05:48 -0400

OK, so I’m a quintuple dipper. 21 years active duty. 60% service connected. Retired from Civilian federal service, and will receive so-so security. If I had only done 4 years active duty and retired from a civilian company, I’d still get all those benefits except my military retirement would be a civilian retirement. Why should I be penalized for serving my country?

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Jun 12 at 2019 10:07 AM

CW4 Craig Urban — Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:07:25 -0400

Up tour up butt. Fool

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 12 at 2019 5:19 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:19:53 -0400

One is for longevity. One is for depreciating the body or mind. One is for the inability to work. I have no qualms.

Response by PO1 Gerald Sutton made Jun 18 at 2019 9:38 PM

PO1 Gerald Sutton — Tue, 18 Jun 2019 21:38:40 -0400

I am retired with a 20% disability from the v.a.. I got my loses back with crsc. Yes I guess I triple dip plus 1. Social security.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Jul 14 at 2019 11:07 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Sun, 14 Jul 2019 23:07:42 -0400

Many of us are partially disabled from our military service. I get 20% disability from the VA, which is taken out of my retirement pay. Frankly, I think I should obtain more, with several injuries from military service that were not discussed during my very limited retirement physical exam. So, the fact that I've been injured in my military service and have ongoing disability causes me (and many others) to lose some of our retiree pay. That's wrong. If we are injured during our military service we should receive BOTH our military retirement pay, which we have entirely earned, AND whatever damages we're due from our disabilities incurred during military service. One should not subtract from the other.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2019 4:11 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Jul 2019 04:11:57 -0400

I won't ever blame a Soldier for finding the easiest possible way to accomplish something, including making a living.

Response by LTC Richard Gailey made Jul 18 at 2019 11:54 AM

LTC Richard Gailey — Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:54:16 -0400

Some of us will get four. Army retirement, VA comp, teacher retirement and at 62 Social Security :-) Concurrent pay, it's about time.

Response by SPC Theresa Villanueva made Jul 20 at 2019 11:45 AM

SPC Theresa Villanueva — Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:45:28 -0400

I dunno. Social security is pretty hard to get. I'm rated at 90% disabled but paid at 100. Social security says I'm not disabled at all.. "shruggs" so I live off of the VA 100%. Kids, house, car. Shop at thrift stores and I'm good to go. I think people shouldn't just take take take.. you don't need 5000 to live a month, depending where you live. I understand medical issues but come on! Triple dipping? Thats greedy shit

Response by SGT Roger Heth made Jul 21 at 2019 1:02 PM

SGT Roger Heth — Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:02:10 -0400

you should only take one retirement.

Response by SGT Jim Wiseman made Jul 29 at 2019 9:13 PM

SGT Jim Wiseman — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:13:45 -0400

There is a way to get both your retirement and your disablility. When I got my med discharge, since the injury qualifying me for the med retire was combat related, I qualified for Combat Related Special Compensation (CRSC). Who qualifies for it, I'm not entirely sure, meaning, I don't know if it's something you can go back and apply for it if you've been out for years. One indication that it is not is the need to apply within six years of your separation. With CRSC, you can at least "double-dip" without taking away from either of your benefits. I most definitely agree that you should be able to make more than the fraction of the disability and/or retirement you take away from your service. Thinking that you can survive and even thrive on that is ridiculous! Nobody get wealthy off of welfare and certainly no one joins the military to get rich. The ability to earn more is not only necessary, but it's utter nonsense to believe your average service member can compete with others who can earn as much as they can strive for without a glass ceiling stopping them. For having served, the benefits should be a stepping stone or a foundation in which to make it in our daily lives and then go from there.

Response by TSgt J.L. Brown Jr made Aug 9 at 2019 12:27 AM

TSgt J.L. Brown Jr — Fri, 09 Aug 2019 00:27:01 -0400

I will not apologize, if they could fix me so I could lead a normal life, but the problem is, that's to our fine doctors back in 1990s, I'm broken, in so much pain I spend most of my time stuck in a recliner! My wife deserves more for putting up with what she dealt with. But being unemployable, I can only give her these things because of retirement of 23 yrs, SSDI and VA. If you think you got screwed my the VA, get a lawyer, lucky for me I had all the documentation and broke body! Now I've got a friend from Vietnam era, he's screwed, cancer, heart, unable to work! He can't get a decent rating from the VA.! If the VA could fix me so I could go back to work, I would gladly let me try to fix me once again. But guess what, they have tried, I am worse now!

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Aug 11 at 2019 8:14 PM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 20:14:08 -0400

You should go for it! During one's time as a soldier you may struggle financially. I have seen enlisted soldiers struggle especially those with a lot of kids!

Response by SGT Keith Smith made Aug 17 at 2019 5:33 PM

SGT Keith Smith — Sat, 17 Aug 2019 17:33:25 -0400

Less than 2 percent of all that serve make it to retirement. By then we have beat our bodies to death. Most of us are in constant pain. Most of us are sporting injuries sustained in those 20 years. So if you qualify then you qualify. If you do not qualify then you do not. Let the system weigh your issues and see what becomes of it. You should not have to be embarrassed, feel less than, or guilty because you qualify. That’s why we have laws or regulations.

Response by SGT George Reimuth made Aug 21 at 2019 7:29 PM

SGT George Reimuth — Wed, 21 Aug 2019 19:29:21 -0400

I am a retired veteran of 20yrs national guard will be receiving my pension next year, also I have been working for the loma linda veterans hospital for 15 yrs.

Response by A1C Chris Mannifield made Aug 29 at 2019 1:31 AM

A1C Chris Mannifield — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 01:31:40 -0400

Hey I've got a working phone.
Absolutely, I dont care what you call it, it ain't gonna be around forever, and to those recieving, which is slim to none, they deserve it.

Response by SPC Rob Raybourn made Sep 6 at 2019 10:36 AM

SPC Rob Raybourn — Fri, 06 Sep 2019 10:36:03 -0400

I am a disabled Vet in a wheelchair. I was medically retired and am no longer able to work (although I would give anything to be able to again) and I was raised in a military family. My father retired with 20+ and finally qualified for "triple dipping" and I say good for him, he definitely earned it and so much more! He is now 72 and able to live comfortably after 28 years of sacrificing for his family and country, so yes he and anybody else eligible should ABSOLUTELY have all that is available to them for their honor, duty, and sacrifice!

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made Sep 10 at 2019 7:10 PM

1SG Frank Boynton — Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:10:52 -0400

Why the hell not. As an enlisted serving 20 years and retiring on 50% of base pay just doesn’t cut it. You have marketable skills and you should use them. Look at the politicians who send us to war. They retire with full benefits for life. They don’t contribute to a 401k and they don’t pay for medical. For life. How is that fair?

Response by 1SG Conrad Cohen made Sep 10 at 2019 8:06 PM

1SG Conrad Cohen — Tue, 10 Sep 2019 20:06:42 -0400

Retired 22 years Army; Retired 20 years Post Office; started drawing Social Security at 64; started 100% disabled VA at 69 (Prostate Cancer - Agent Orange Vietnam); plus working temporarily at 70 for the Census Bureau (no benefits). What's the problem?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2019 6:56 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Sep 2019 18:56:38 -0400

SSI is welfare, SSDI is based on work credits per year. Basically SSDI is SS retirement but if you're disabled you can draw it before you're 61 and 3/4. So if you did your 20 you've paid into the system that's yours. It's no different than someone getting a pension from a civilian employer and receiving SS retirement.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Harper made Oct 21 at 2019 11:16 PM

SSG Jeffrey Harper — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:16:48 -0400

I am getting every dollar I earned from the US government! I could care less about what someone thinks. I thank God I qualify for them

Response by PO1 David Newman made Nov 7 at 2019 3:21 AM

PO1 David Newman — Thu, 07 Nov 2019 03:21:11 -0500

Why not, if earned!

Response by A1C Craig Cambreleng made Nov 10 at 2019 5:51 PM

A1C Craig Cambreleng — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:51:19 -0500

I have been out for 26 years, since 1993, and get nothing due too being told from 93 to 95 that the VA was not able too locate my medical records, that they were lost, been thinking of trying too have the VA try again since i live in pain on a daily basis, but not sure if I wanna hear the same thing i heard back then and watch my hopes get destroyed

Response by SFC Douglas B. Hull made Nov 20 at 2019 5:23 PM

SFC Douglas B. Hull — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 17:23:06 -0500

Well if it wasn't for my triple-dipping I would be out on the street between my student loan, depts from when in and living as you know. thought it was better if when I was at 40% that it would not be taken out. maybe would have survived better.

Response by SCPO Kathryn Bates made Dec 19 at 2019 1:41 AM

SCPO Kathryn Bates — Thu, 19 Dec 2019 01:41:20 -0500

I am retired. And have a 60 percent service connected disability. And I get both and still make less than half my active duty paycheck . Guess I feel I should and have no issue with others doing the same.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Jan 2 at 2020 2:05 PM

SFC Robert Walton — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 14:05:21 -0500

SSG Private RallyPoint Member This is not triple dipping. If you Serve 20 years or more you receive retirement from the U.S. it has nothing to do with the VA at this point. Now you go to the VA because you have a problem that happened while in service or aggravated buy service in the Military. If you get a disability that does not exceed 50% then they take that out of your retirement pay and you get smaller retirement and a non taxable disability pay. Once you retire after what ever the magical number is today 65 I think, then you can get Social Security payments (something you paid into for your whole working life). That gives you a retirement, disability, and retirement insurance,. Just like every one gets. JMTC

Response by 1SG Wayne Cannon made Jan 4 at 2020 7:26 AM

1SG Wayne Cannon — Sat, 04 Jan 2020 07:26:51 -0500

I'm not following you where you said they will stop one and start another. I'm retired after 21years. I get 52%, I'm disabled through VA at 70%, and I'm 100% with social security. No one has stopped or anything of mine. SSN told me because of my mil. Retirement that 70% VA was all i would get. But they passed a bill that said you can draw disability from VA and Social security also.

Response by SFC Richard Williamson made Jan 20 at 2020 7:32 AM

SFC Richard Williamson — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:32:28 -0500

You guys are talking about me again; I earned what I get paid. I did not enlist in the military to get rich and believe me, that hasn't happened. But, I did spend 20 years and during that time, I sustained some injuries, which I live with everyday, and without any medications. Until early 2000, veterans were only able to draw either their disability pay or their retirement pay, not both. According to what I've read and been told, Pres. Reagan noticed that, except for the military veteran, other federal employees were able to draw their pension as well as disability and social security and he changed it so that we could be paid both, our disability and retirement. This took effect in early 2004, and I believe it was called the CDRP Program. So YES!!!! If you've served and were honorably discharged, then yes, you deserve every bit of your pay, whether disability, retirement, or social security, and you deserve all three, not just one or the other. Blessings.

Response by SFC Julie Bentley made Jan 25 at 2020 10:05 PM

SFC Julie Bentley — Sat, 25 Jan 2020 22:05:34 -0500

The disability pay is to reimburse you for the functions that you can no longer perform. This is separate from the time you served towards retirement as well as the amount you contributed towards social security. Each are separate. I payed into SSI my entire working career. I also worked my time to earn my retirement. I didn’t ask to be hurt in combat or to feel pain each day. The disability paynent is to reimburse for the bodily functions that I no longer have. Not to take place of my retirement that I also earned.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Jan 26 at 2020 11:46 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 26 Jan 2020 23:46:59 -0500

I paid into my military retirement with blood sweat and tears. I get a retirement from a civilian company they paid in with hard work and matching dollars. I paid into Social Security because the government said I had to. The VA gives me a disability payment. Because the American people and all their wisdom said that I deserve it for the disability that I received in the Vietnam war. I guess I’m in quad dipper because I get four checks I don’t feel guilty about any of them I earned each one honorably and each one is authorized by a government or business that I have very little control over. For those that question the pension checks I asked them did they feel guilty when they get the check at the end of the month. They earned it so why shouldn’t they get it

Response by MSgt Eduardo Ramirez made Jan 29 at 2020 4:33 PM

MSgt Eduardo Ramirez — Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:33:07 -0500

I served 22 years, receiving 100% VA total permanent, SSDI, and civil service retirement. quadrupedal dipping...

Response by SPC Andrew Johnston made Jan 30 at 2020 4:17 PM

SPC Andrew Johnston — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:17:31 -0500

The idea of not making more in retirement than while serving being somehow more honorable is ridiculous value signaling. If you retire healthy, or at the very least able to pretty much work without restriction, you will make as much or more than when retired. There is still a cost of living. Whoever disagrees that a disabled person should be able to live as well as a non disabled person is a jackass.

Response by SFC Roger Nelson made Feb 1 at 2020 1:11 PM

SFC Roger Nelson — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 13:11:03 -0500

I retired in 1986 and my disability was taken out of my retirement and paid back through V A . I do not think that it was fair I had to pay my own disability. I worked with a vet that had the same disability and he was paid the same as me when he had only served three yes .

Response by PO3 Claude j Hilliard made Feb 6 at 2020 9:43 AM

PO3 Claude j Hilliard — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 09:43:17 -0500

I worked 40 yrs and all of a sudden Agent Orange hit so you say l don't get S.S.D. bull, eyes bad, 2 types of insulin, and 12 pills a day plus contance pain in legs arms, yea right give me my time in military back you can have it until then be quit, 2 times in Nam.

Response by SPC Zia Nuray made Feb 6 at 2020 12:37 PM

SPC Zia Nuray — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:37:35 -0500

If you're messed up enough to be able to triple-dip there are likely to be expensive things you need just to get through the day that insurance doesn't cover.

Response by SGM Brian Morgan made Feb 13 at 2020 3:49 PM

SGM Brian Morgan — Thu, 13 Feb 2020 15:49:59 -0500

You will lose part are all of your retirement, if you have VA disability of less than 50%. Once you reach the 50% rating from the VA you will and can receive both full retirement and the 50% disability pay.

Response by SPC Nicholas V. made Feb 22 at 2020 7:02 PM

SPC Nicholas V. — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:02:22 -0500

Only if I knew what benefits were available to me when I got out. Too late now for SSDI.

Response by Sgt John Koliha made Feb 24 at 2020 12:01 AM

Sgt John Koliha — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 00:01:27 -0500

“You should not make more retired than you did serving” REALLY?!??!!

If I was taking the military disability I would be making more than twice what I did serving. Drawing VA disability I’m making more than 10 times. E-5 over four. Course, that was also 50 yeas ago.

Response by Sgt Charles St John made Feb 25 at 2020 9:50 PM

Sgt Charles St John — Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:50:31 -0500

I’m at 100% P&T and I’m also collecting Social Security.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Mar 22 at 2020 1:45 PM

MSgt J D McKee — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:45:44 -0400

I think this is the most unfair thing I know of. You work for it, you get it stolen by the government.

After I wrote that, I realized I should specify, "and it's not taxes".

Amongst all the various fucking idiots who "march on Washington" because there are really 48,976 genders or because society isn't even more skewed towards giving women everything and men nothing, and yet still allowing women to blow thier way to the top, why has there never been a march for this?

Because we are used to taking orders, not fighting authority, and, because there is a significant number of our own who maintain the belief that it is somehow cheating the system to receive both, individually earned payments, or that anyone who rates a disability is a fucking whiner.

I used to work with a retired Marine CSM who probably prayed to Chesty every night before counting bulldogs to go to sleep and dreaming of past glory. I admired the man, actually, I checked him out, his shit was real, it was 4 PH and IIRC the Silver Star. He had been at Khe San. He was, as best I could find out, a bonafide hero, no shit.

He was in his early '60's and could barely walk. I mean, he could walk and in fact run if he had to, but it was obvious it hurt him badly. The topic of disability came up. He said anyone not in a wheelchair shouldn't get one. In the discussion that followed, whiner came up a lot, as did many other pejoratives mainly of a racist nature--we are both white, and I won't repeat what he said, here, but a lot of it started with N and ended with the thought that black people work the system and he won't do that because it would make him as black as them. Really.

I lost all respect for this silly-assed reprehensible wannabe bully who no longer had the rank to make anyone listen to his stupidity.

For one thing, he made the mistake of assuming because I have a rather strong Southern accent and he knew where I was from, that I probably had at some point been a Klansman. Nope. My hatred is reserved for self-righteous bullies, in the main. Short, balding, rapidly aging idiots trying to prove how tough they still are at the expense of everyone they come into contact with who can't avoid them, specifically.

Idiots like him are why it happens. But, why do the rest of us stand for it?

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Mar 22 at 2020 2:25 PM

LCDR Mike Morrissey — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 14:25:30 -0400

If one is entitled to retired pay based on longevity (and reaches 60 if reserve retire) and has a VA rating of 50% or more, concurrent receipt is available but must be requested, The VA application is badly written and one can easily check the wrong box if the application will lead to 50% or better,

If one has a service issued medical retirement (active duty component retires a member based on medical), that retirement with less than 20 IS NOT AVAILABLE OF CONCURRENT RECEIPT. And, seldom is the VA equivalent more than the service retirement. None of this restricts access to VA care if desired, depending on level of percentages and service connections. (Yes, yes...,all kinds of scenarios can be thrown at this last para.)

What really kicks in nicely should one reach 100% is the dental care. I’ve had terrific success at the Seattle Center. There is also provision for dental care for those outside the mile/time of commute ranges.

In WASHINGTON STATE, 100% VA rating affords the vet free tags (no renewal required) for life and a refund of some of the regional excise taxes on the purchase of the vehicle.

Response by TSgt Jose A. D. made Mar 22 at 2020 3:32 PM

TSgt Jose A. D. — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:32:44 -0400

I'm a retiree, disabled vet rated 80% (permanent and total), medically relieved from federal employment due to service conned disabilities, and SSDI recipient. All three agencies told me I deserved it.

Response by MSgt Charles Smith made Apr 8 at 2020 9:09 PM

MSgt Charles Smith — Wed, 08 Apr 2020 21:09:45 -0400

I retired at 40%. I went into law enforcement and after a number of years I was medically retired at 51% with no repeats or overlaps. I received a letter from Social Security telling me I was not eligible for their disability. A few years later I gained another 10% from the VA and I started receiving concurrent receipt. I’m not sure how it will work with regular social security. Will advise in six months when I turn sixty-five.

Response by CPL Sarah Stilwell made Apr 22 at 2020 2:31 AM

CPL Sarah Stilwell — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 02:31:31 -0400

I only take VA. I'm to wary of taking more than one, unless your getting retirement and VA. The problem is that the government can tell you 10 years dont the road that you were in fact not entitled to recieve X amount of dollars and order you to pay it all back. Seen it a million times so I just take my one

Response by SMSgt Willard Chatham made Apr 22 at 2020 10:39 AM

SMSgt Willard Chatham — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:39:43 -0400

I am rated 110%, and I actually quadruple dip, so if you qualify go for it, and don't feel guilty.

Response by SFC David Hackett made Apr 23 at 2020 9:53 PM

SFC David Hackett — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 21:53:40 -0400

I will say this as nicely as I can. No one, and I mean no one,is getting over period! If you served long enough to retire then you EARNED it! Nobody gave it to any of us for free! And more often than not your body has taken chronic abuse in one form or another to merit your disability rating. I will say this as well, the VA doesn't hand out ratings percentages like they are candy either! You as the veteran literally have to prove your injury and substantiate it for the VA to allow your claim. If nothing else I say here is listened to LISTEN TO THIS: Soldiers get it in your medical record or the VA will have nothing to review when you put your claim in! Sucking it up and driving on is the reason your claims are low or rejected! The VA can only rate you for what they can read in your record. If you don't get seen at medical good luck claiming something not in your record. The VA doesn't give a shit if your back hurts or anything else unless it's in that medical record. Mark my words or suffer the long term headaches of proving your claim. Get hurt. Get seen by medical. Percentages of only a 10% difference are huge believe me! I know first hand. The VA trys to find ways not to pay you so don't give them that chance by getting it into your medical record! YOU'VE EARNED IT!

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made May 5 at 2020 4:33 PM

SSG Norbert Johnson — Tue, 05 May 2020 16:33:20 -0400

If you "Retire" not for reason of physical disability regardless of the number of years served (15 year retirement as an example, but have conditions that permanently affect your life and that [are] compensated, and you get Social Security disability, That is not triple dipping if the Service Connected Disability because it is limited to service related injuries/disease. If the Social Security Disability is for Non Service Connected Disability, then you are not Triple Dipping when receiving Military Retirement even if you receive 100% for SC conditions. Reason, they are for separate conditions and the Retirement was EARNED.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Nutter made May 7 at 2020 7:20 AM

TSgt Kenneth Nutter — Thu, 07 May 2020 07:20:27 -0400

The amount from VA is actually meant to help the vet meet their needs, as if you are triple dipping, you in such condition, you cannot work. That’s why it’s not considered income. SSDI is difficult to get, so if you qualify; you have been deemed unemployable (it does get reported as income, and can be taxed in some circumstances). Then there’s your retired pay. Who could live on that? You have to work. So, if your so injured, you qualify for VA and SSDI benefits, good for you. We should thank these heroes, not shame them.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made May 11 at 2020 12:13 AM

PO3 Dale Olson — Mon, 11 May 2020 00:13:46 -0400

Why not.... you earned it. Now there are some con jobs that need to be put in jail. Especially those 100%er's that are not disabled.

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made May 15 at 2020 6:51 PM

PO1 Frank Downs — Fri, 15 May 2020 18:51:04 -0400

I remember when I joined the Navy in 1976 in boot camp we were told if we went to Sick call we could be charged with malingering, so needless to say most of us didn’t go for problems, if I did go it was take two Tylenol and hot/ice it.
When I retired nothing was in my record so I got zero, we put our bodies through hell and most of the damage will not present itself for decades and by that time your screwed
Report all your problems!!!!

Response by MSgt Steven Harris made May 25 at 2020 4:40 AM

MSgt Steven Harris — Mon, 25 May 2020 04:40:25 -0400

First off who came up with the terms double dipping on compensation pay? I can tell you that the funding for each of the so-called dipping into government funds is different in each area of the veteran and retirees payments. So each area has its own set of parameters for qualification, which is reviewed totally different officials prior to entitlements being paid.
If a individual serves their 20 yrs of service or gets a medical waiver for retirement due to injuries on the job by a military medical review board with 16yrs or more, it is a earned pension, for their lifetime, of which disability is service related and is not relevant to what a VA council gives as a VA disability rating after service of any number of years. The government owes both portions for the service given by contracts.
Next is the VA rating and compensation system payment process, which most do not know is deducted from your retirement pay, but not taxed, even though all the VA allocated funds approved by Congress each year are designated for after service care of veterans. How well that money is fairly distributed each presidential term is politically based and controlled by who runs the programs. So once again, the idea of getting extra compensation is not consistent across the branches or to each state or region. Some regions have better programs and medical benefits & facilities for their veterans than others. That is part of the problem with the VA system as a whole and how the veterans' programs are managed from Washington DC and hinders the best for our wounded soldiers.
Third is the misunderstanding that veterans who leave the service all go into government employee positions and collect another government employee pension check after 20 yrs of service in their new career. T with the his too is a earned paycheck in which taxes are and SS are collected from their pay for services rendered by contract. Which after 10 yrs at any job entitles a person who is injured on the job to file for 100% disability SSA. It is reviewed and qualifications are same for any American citizen. So in each situation of collecting payments from the US treasury, the person's conditions are different and must meet established requirements of those agencies in charge of the distribution of funds and some people are able to qualify due to their exceptional injuries during military service. The extra is to pay for their extra medical expenses and loss of abilities.
I am sure the disabled soldiers would rather work a regular job like others than have to live with TBI of physical losses or use of normal body functions and medical issues they endure each day! But jealous and uninformed civilians would not understand what relying on others for assistance means to a military disciplined and professionally soldier, whose first thoughts are mission first, death or being maimed in service is acceptable risk to protect and defend our nation. Personal desire and comfort are last things on our minds! People like to act like they are qualified experts know the truths but often times they lack experience in the subject and only know tiny parts.

Response by MSgt Steven Harris made May 25 at 2020 6:08 AM

MSgt Steven Harris — Mon, 25 May 2020 06:08:53 -0400

The problem is most people do investigate the facts of the situations before answering such complicated questions. The 3 areas involved with paying disabled veterans are totally separate operations in the US government. So the funding for each group of programs has pre-established requirements and a different set of reviewers to determine the level of compensation that will be given to each person who qualifies due to medical conditions. It is based on the individual soldier's service records, not by branch or missions their units were involved in the service. Active duty service is paid according to rank and positions and mission environments endured while in uniform; it is earned is not relevant to what an injured soldier receives by the VA medical councils' rating system after a through exam by their appointed physicians.

VA programs and funding are not connected to any DOD function. It is managed by the current President's cabinet appointee. The payments are distributed by separate checks and tax-exempt, but the retiree with a pension for 20 yrs of honorable service pays the disability portion out of their pension. So the medical benefits related to their military retirement is paid by them not the US government. Officers make 3 to 6 times in retirement what a SNCO does just like in active duty! Higher responsibilities and risks reap higher rewards. If you work with your commanders and staff long enough, you will realize why they get those bigger pensions!

VA system is influenced by the politicians of the times and we who have been in the system for decades can say the good and bad of the programs and how soldiers of every generation get a different set of benefits, Vietnam veterans got shafted and no other generation of soldiers can compare to the risks and damages done to those "drafted" forced to serve their nation and exposed to lethal chemicals and inhumane conditions and less than professional leaders in charge. Despite all those disadvantages, they survived and came home to ungrateful and a corrupt VA and education system who hid the truths of their medical conditions from everyone. It is sad but true! Even after 3 wars since the 1990's the way the veterans are treated by the Congress people is pathetic. The general public is clueless until it is one of their own family members who needs to get into the system to obtain the funds for medical care or access to specialists and then they recognize how poorly managed the VA system is and learn the truth of the backlogs and how disabled veterans have been seen as an burden on the US government and Congressional funds. But we never asked for special favors or treatment only what the DOD contracts promised. Except VA compensation and funding is not same as active duty or ANG or reserves receive for real military operations for national defense. It is a unique rehabilitation and education system developed by politicians and government administrators. So until the backlogs of entering all the War veterans who qualify for the benefits is complete. Allot of our injured soldiers will struggle with hardships while the general public continues to believe all is well for the veterans and their families and medical care is more than adequate. It has improved over the last few years but it will take many more years to catch =up to where it needs to be!
Last issue is eligibility to collect a check from SSA for full disability. Well that is another screwed-up system that politicians have taken liberties to give money to people who did nothing to earn the monthly checks. Those who actually need the funds due to genuine debilitating medical conditions are denied. By law, your disability pay is based on the last ten years of work, a person did and military service is a government employee job according to the SS regulations. The programs are well laid out on the SSA.gov site. People should know that spouses of active military duty member can also qualify for the disability even after they divorce. It is based on the time they were together. SS benefits are individually awarded not based on a family. So any number of family members can be collecting checks based on different programs. Social Security is a federal system managed by the US Treasury and other Federal Administration agencies.

Just a brief comment about veterans going to work after service on federal installations and in federal employment using veteran preference rating. Originally, the program was set-up to ensure employment for our returning soldiers in operations which require many of their military skills, but over the decades unions and civilians found ways to get non-military connected people and relatives jobs and educational benefits. The roles our contractors and GS workers do for DoD in conjunction with the active duty is serving in the defense and protection of our nation and the pay they earn is much higher than soldiers because it equates to what a person with college degrees working at a corporate job would be paid for the same duties and responsibilities. Until, the last few decades, our soldiers had very little higher education certifications or college degrees in the enlisted ranks. But the personnel were preforming the same positions active duty as their collegiate counterparts.

I was delusional when I first got out of the USAF in 2010 and thought our veterans systems and pay was proper, but I soon learned the truths about the Government cover-up of how little was made available to all who served. Who would expect their own government elites in Washington DC to intentionally withhold money and find ways to deny benefits so they could keep the money for their own pockets and let our honorable soldiers die or continue to suffer from their traumas or wounds for decades without adequate care. They built all these VA Hospitals and Senators were there endorsing and taking bows for each building, but few knew it was a lie, several of the VA hospital areas did not meet code and had to be redone before they could be opened and utilized and so small clinics had to take the load.

Now you can all see how the veterans have been treated was not right or fair but the public let it happen and still believe the propaganda of politicians in DC and state legislatures of the double & triple dipping concepts. They are great at appearing caring and displaying Hollywood and music celebrities on their support of our injured veterans, who lie about how much their billion dollar tax -exempt charities are paying for the services they promote! I learned this the hard-way too and am no longer blind to the facts! So who started this conversion? Soldiers or people who want military and veteran families to be distracted divided fight among themselves and never learn the truths about their elected leaders and their appointees?

Response by GySgt Gary Cordeiro made Jun 7 at 2020 10:56 PM

GySgt Gary Cordeiro — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 22:56:26 -0400

For get what you can.

Response by MAJ Thomas Petri made Jun 10 at 2020 8:25 PM

MAJ Thomas Petri — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 20:25:39 -0400

Check into CRSC (Combat Related Special Compensation).

Response by SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt made Jun 12 at 2020 12:02 PM

SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt — Fri, 12 Jun 2020 12:02:55 -0400

Dip all you can. I know how it is to have chronic pain, unable to sleep ETC. All the dipping in the world will not make it better, but it will increase your opportunity to distract you from the pain by having some resources for it

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 13 at 2020 11:53 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 11:53:11 -0400

Always take the money. You earned it and you sacrificed. Your body will never be the same so take what you can get.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Jun 25 at 2020 7:47 PM

1SG James Kelly — Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:47:23 -0400

Yes.

Response by MSG Mark Stinson made Jun 25 at 2020 8:59 PM

MSG Mark Stinson — Thu, 25 Jun 2020 20:59:36 -0400

I believe your question is directed toward my situation. I served for 27 years both active and Reserve and was Medically Discharged Feb 22, 2002. Initially I was rated 70% by the VA. But was upgraded to 100%-Unemployable. Due to the fact that a large part of my disability was related to my service in the Nam and having survived a parachute malfunction August 1977 on a Hollywood Pay Jump which is listed as hazardous duty I also receive CRSC (Combat Related Special Compensation), which basically amounts to what I would receive from retirement. I was approved for SSI based on all of the documentation from the VA and DFAS.
Do I believe that I deserve the three EFT’s every month. Yes, spend a day in my body. I take 4 Vicodin daily plus 4 800 mg of Ibuprofen a day just to get through each day. After I recovered from the parachute malfunction I returned to jump status until 1993. If you wanted to stay on an ODA you had to be on jump status. I was the 18Z of ODA-1256 and it was the best job I ever had.
My doctor at the VA wants me to hold off any surgery on my knees, hips and shoulders for as long as possible. I’m currently 71 and hopefully I’ll be able to function without the surgery until I’m 75. My son, an Orthopedic Surgeon agrees that I should wait as long as possible because it can be a slippery slope. I’m doing my part by dropping 55 lbs and I’m currently just 10 lbs over my weight class (174) when I was on the Wrestling Team at Texas A&M. I walk as much as possible. Photo taken after vthe weight loss.

Response by SSG Red Hoffman made Jun 26 at 2020 10:09 AM

SSG Red Hoffman — Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:09:42 -0400

I did 14 years in the Army, was granted a 50% disability a few years after my discharge, meanwhile, I worked for the Department of Defense for 9 years until other major health problems stopped my ability to continue working. I received disability retirement and then after a year of fighting, I got my SSD. I guess you could call that triple-dipping, however, the total is barely allowing me to get by. Thank God for the VA, because if I had to pay for my medications out of pocket, I would be doomed.

Response by SGT Debra Jahnel made Jul 1 at 2020 10:28 AM

SGT Debra Jahnel — Wed, 01 Jul 2020 10:28:37 -0400

Argh! I hit wrong vote button! I meant triple dip is okay. God knows none of us got what we were worth while on active duty.

Response by SFC Aubrey Campbell made Jul 12 at 2020 10:52 PM

SFC Aubrey Campbell — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:52:39 -0400

The first 15 years after retirement, I felt fine. Then at age 55, I started going down hill. I am 63 yrs old now with limited mobility because of weak legs, two back surgeries, and a neurosurgeon scheduling me for neck surgery this month. I retired from the Army, USDOT, Baker Hughes Oilfield, Inc. I am a licensed private investigator and own a trucking company. I get all of my military and civilian benefits. Don’t stop until you get yours. Hoooaaah!

Response by SSgt Mose Carter made Jul 13 at 2020 12:26 PM

SSgt Mose Carter — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:26:13 -0400

That is one sorry-ass comment, that one should not make more in retirement than while serving. You only get paid, if you are entitled to it sir. Seems that you have some jealousy or envy going on here. Look who you are speaking of, these are our your brothers and sisters. The Bible says, you ought to care more about them then yourself. The second of the Ten Commandment is, love other person's as yourself. Would you be speaking this way if you want entitled?. Have a heart and allow our veterans to enjoy that which they are entitled.

Response by 1stSgt Rick Ensenbach made Jul 16 at 2020 8:59 AM

1stSgt Rick Ensenbach — Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:59:55 -0400

I’ve never understood why the DoD, the government, whoever, feels that disability pay is a benefit and treated like income. For crying out loud, we are being compensated for something that happened to us while serving, that we can never get back. I think most would agree, whatever we lost or suffer from, that we would rather be whole than get the money, but sadly we don’t have that choice. I think it’s a travesty that some of us (depending on disability rating) have our disability pay subtracted from our retirement pay. It’s time our political leaders end this nonsense and keep disability pay separate from retirement pay. They are two different things for two different reasons.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2020 10:41 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Jul 2020 22:41:24 -0400

All circumstances are different. The one thing that bothers me is that I've encountered situations were veterans who never seen combat and never reached retirement receiving up to 80 % VA disability. Where as I served 35 years with three combat tours served. In 2 different branches and am fighting to get a rating over 50%. All C and P evaluations concour service connected conditions and still am battling to get what I believed I've earned for my sacrifices. Oh did I mention some of the forementioned veterans work as VA raters.

Response by CPL Michael Moore made Jul 19 at 2020 9:50 PM

CPL Michael Moore — Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:50:38 -0400

You earned it.

Response by SN Johnny Whataman made Aug 9 at 2020 10:39 PM

SN Johnny Whataman — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 22:39:03 -0400

No brainer brother don't let your hard headed stubborn pride keep you from using your brain and good comman sense. It's not getting any easier out here brother. Ve con Dios!

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Aug 17 at 2020 5:03 PM

LCDR Mike Morrissey — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 17:03:23 -0400

As a triple type, I also find the 50% requirement ridiculous. As long as Congress keeps the VA on a tight fiscal leash, the story will ever be so. Don’t get started on waste fraud and abuse. However there is a nuance not mentioned. The offset of pay is intended as a type of reduction in taxable income. Granted not as good as receiving the money. Every year there is a Congressional bill to drop the 50% requirement. Civil service retirement has no such offset. It wasn’t too long ago that no concurrent receipt was authorized then it was phased in over several years. Another benefit that was a financial life saver for many was the implementation of TRICARE for Life for retirees. Suddenly a good friend crippled in WWII got the equivalent of a $2500/mo pay raise because all his non-service connected meds were covered as in those days VA med coverage was very restricted.

All this to say, today’s benefits need further improvements, but they are a far cry better than several years ago. Sadly, improvements lag the needs of vets. My dad, a wounded WWII POW, didn’t finally get much coverage until about 35 yrs later.

Response by SMSgt Alex Medina made Aug 27 at 2020 11:42 AM

SMSgt Alex Medina — Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:42:22 -0400

SGM Dawson, request an increase on your present rating. You might not get to 50% with the increase rating but at least it will be on your VA records. At 50% VA disability rating, you get your FULL military retirement pay plus your FULL VA disability pay, I know this for a fact because I'm at 50% and get both FULL pay! Keep going to your Veteran Service Officer to help you with your claim(s), the VA will NOT tell you everything you need to know to file a claim!

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2020 3:36 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 15:36:07 -0400

Its a scam by the government to not pay us for breaking our bodies and its sickening.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Sep 15 at 2020 1:15 AM

LTC Jason Mackay — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 01:15:17 -0400

I am against triple dipping. A new decontaminated chip is required for each approach March into the dip slurry pond.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Sep 15 at 2020 5:56 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 05:56:51 -0400

You said the key phrase, meet requirements. There is no debate, they were injured in service, and retired. If they qualify for any program they deserve it. They served their country, earned their retirement, put money into SS, while qualify for Veterans programs. That’s it, they qualify. This debate has been had in Congress time and again. It should be put to rest. Is it justifiable to exclude someone form something they qualify for based on the fact that they also earned a retirement fair? Why should one Vet who meets a requirement be penalized because they served longer, hence qualifying for more?

Service members earn their retirement and SS by paying into it and sacrificing, they subsequently qualify for other benefits for other reasons, should they be penalized?

Response by CPO Albert Kennison made Sep 20 at 2020 10:41 PM

CPO Albert Kennison — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 22:41:34 -0400

My opinion on this is, DISABILITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RETIREMENT. TERM OF SERVICE IS RETIREMENT. INJURY IN THE SERVICE IS DISABILITY, PERIOD!

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Sep 22 at 2020 9:54 PM

CMSgt Donald ONeill — Tue, 22 Sep 2020 21:54:00 -0400

The system is against those that collect a military retirement check . Case in point a reservist gets hurt on drill serous enough that he gets VA benefits . He does his six years and gets out works his civilian job and still collets his VA benefits . VA doesn't take that money from his regular job but they take money from the military retirement check . Penalizing the retired military guy.

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Sep 22 at 2020 10:00 PM

SSG Brian Carpenter — Tue, 22 Sep 2020 22:00:01 -0400

I wish I get my 100% plus SSA and that's not a bad amount. But you will find it almost impossible to double ir triple dip. I joined the Guard after being medically retired and I also got a lump sum. As soon as I was qualified for my VA payments the government took every last dime until my lump sum was paid back and because my unit deployed to Afghanistan and I couldn't they pulled that reti

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Sep 22 at 2020 10:00 PM

SSG Brian Carpenter — Tue, 22 Sep 2020 22:00:45 -0400

continued they pulled that retirement too.

Response by SPC William Wilson made Oct 18 at 2020 11:12 PM

SPC William Wilson — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:12:09 -0400

Hey, if you rate go for it. I am 100% P and T va disability and get ssdi, and it was not easy to do but worth it . This is not tripple dipping, but close. I am due a state pension at 65, if I still am alive. All legal. Thanks

Response by GySgt Herman Poe made Nov 6 at 2020 11:23 PM

GySgt Herman Poe — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 23:23:27 -0500

Stop the narcs they will kill you. Contact woods and woods va attorneys. [login to see] .

Response by PO1 Warren Jameson made Nov 9 at 2020 10:33 AM

PO1 Warren Jameson — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 10:33:50 -0500

A 401k doesn't affect your retirement pay, nor does your retirement pay affect any of your 401k. WHY should you be penalized by Social Security (basically a Government 401k that YOU paid into your entire working career). The Government is stealing your money on both counts. As far as drawing SSDI, that is a totally different ball game. You don't have to have ever paid a dime to draw that if you qualify, so you are effectively being paid twice by the same organization (The U.S. Government) for the same thing. So you should choose to either pay taxes on your Military Disability, OR draw SSDI. Personally, I think SSDI is the best choice. NOT TAXED and probably more than the Taxes you save on the percentage of your Retirement. Remember, you will still be paid your ENTIRE Retirement, just not at a tax free rate.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Nov 11 at 2020 3:21 PM

MSgt J D McKee — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 15:21:15 -0500

This whole thing makes me so fucking mad I have to avoid thinking on it often. The USG is stealing money from poor people, is the way I see it.. Why, pray tell, has every damn politician who allegedly loves vets let this stand? I have a 30%, so the USG steals 30% of my retirement. Yeah, I have known how it works for taxes since about 1973 so you don't need to tell me. I'm just saying it's wrong, it sucks, and it is the government stealing money. Every government.

I try to not say anything personal on here, and to respect those whose opinion differs. Not this time, sorry, for the 10% (at this writing) of useful idiots well, you have your right to a stupid opinion just like anyone else, but your stupid opinion gives support to all the rest of us losing an entitlement many of us need, and you should just shut the fuck up.

I am shocked by the number of people that agree with me, as during my actual conversations with people, many of them allege they have never asked for disability even though one even still had grenade frags working out from some Tet offensive or the other. The reason they uniformly give is they don't ask for anything as we all know someone who "really needs it". Fuck. We ALL "really need it" if it is a legit disability. The USG literally (in the old meaning) prints money. Literally.

Fuck yes we should make more retired than we did serving. Because in my day it was such a fucking pittance that the retirement and the medical were the only attractive parts. Nobody in their right mind would have done it for the pay unless there were no other option.

Response by SSgt John Hutto made Nov 16 at 2020 10:15 AM

SSgt John Hutto — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 10:15:14 -0500

See the way i look at it, you must have a dang good reason to get to be able to truple dip, so you earned it as far as im concerned! People that say you shouldnt make more than you did when you were active duty are just haters! Do you honestly think the military gives a rats ass about you after you retire!?! If you do your naive! I say get that money while you can, we all sacrificed alot to get that! People act like it adds up to alot of money, but it doesnt!

Response by SGT Chester Beedle made Dec 3 at 2020 8:43 PM

SGT Chester Beedle — Thu, 03 Dec 2020 20:43:24 -0500

Retirement is retirement. Talking about retirement for service/time. That is not the same as disability pay. One should never reduce the other. They are for two different things.
In my case I can see a better argument for reducing my retired pay because of my VA disability pay. I'm medically retired so it's a disability pay.

Response by SFC William Farrell made Dec 16 at 2020 7:43 PM

SFC William Farrell — Wed, 16 Dec 2020 19:43:03 -0500

This is an old post SSG Private RallyPoint Member but i just came across it. I guess you can consider me a quadruple dipper! I am retired Army, 4 on active and 22 in reserves. I am 100% from VA and at 62 I applied for SSDI and received it almost immediately. I had just retired from the Air Force as a civilian. So I'm getting my Army retirement, my VA disability, my social security, and a small OPM pension from the Air Force. I earned them all although I'd trade the VA disability for 100% healthy.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2020 9:53 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2020 21:53:52 -0500

for.
Personally, I served over 20 and am receiving my military retirement, 70% disabled, ssa, and triple dipped with pensions from my City LEO job. I have a number of injuries and have undergone back and shoulder surgeries, sleep insomnia and sleep apnea. I think I earned what I get.

Response by SSG Jason Cooley made Dec 30 at 2020 5:57 PM

SSG Jason Cooley — Wed, 30 Dec 2020 17:57:28 -0500

YES!!!!! I was medicaly ret.from the army with 17 years of service. I am VA rated 100% Total and Permanent /but employable I have SSDI but I am working a state job and paying that amount back. I also get CRSC every month .... but as I stated I get my butt up and work for a living I hate sitting on my ass. I look at it this way I earned it no one gave me shit

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2020 4:22 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 04:22:56 -0500

Maybe an oversimplified way to look at is...Retirement pay is for your time, disability is for your body.

Response by FN Kenneth Finks made Jan 7 at 2021 2:43 PM

FN Kenneth Finks — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 14:43:59 -0500

You cant collect ssi disability and va disability at the same time its illegal hope they don't get in trouble because its a federal offence. But you can collect retirements from working but are only allowed to make so much. As for drinking beer and using codeine at same time its not recommended so stop both and just take the pain. I do. And they cant fix the hip joint or the nerve damage that I get.

Response by SSG Sofia Cardenas made Jan 21 at 2021 1:56 PM

SSG Sofia Cardenas — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 13:56:00 -0500

I have a question. I do not meet the 20 yrs due to MEB@17 yrs, but I do meet the other two. Is there a way to get me retired pay before age 60?

Response by Cpl Jaime Duarte made Jan 31 at 2021 7:43 PM

Cpl Jaime Duarte — Sun, 31 Jan 2021 19:43:28 -0500

Unless you have served you have no idea what you're talking about. Civilians grip and complain about how hard their life is, they do not know what we go thru to make their life easier. I fave up part of my life for this. I should be able to get what I deserve.

Response by CW5 Mark Smith made Jan 31 at 2021 10:16 PM

CW5 Mark Smith — Sun, 31 Jan 2021 22:16:06 -0500

If legit, you should git.

Response by SGT Todd Posey made Feb 1 at 2021 9:15 AM

SGT Todd Posey — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 09:15:35 -0500

All You Guys Who Have Been Over the Pond and some Vacc.s have Our Guts Eaten up with Parasites. I WAS!! eat up with Something killing Me that pierced my colon about 13 yrs later from OIF1. It Almost killed Me! I was throwing Nitrate fertilizer with My bare Hand and I was 4 days w/o Zoloft on Accident. They Love NITRATES!! Kin to "radiation poisoning". I Also caught a toenail fungus and Finally By GOD and Some Research I found a method to kill Parasites because I had cleaned My Stomach so much I could LITERALLY Feel the "Encysted" ones lashing around!!

Response by MSG James Dee made Feb 10 at 2021 9:53 PM

MSG James Dee — Wed, 10 Feb 2021 21:53:42 -0500

Why do football players make more money wearing a helmet to protect a football than a soldier wearing a helmet protecting the country.

Response by SSG Ronald Rollins made Feb 14 at 2021 9:14 PM

SSG Ronald Rollins — Sun, 14 Feb 2021 21:14:46 -0500

I retired after 23 years. Many deoyments. 100% VA rated. 23 (i think) surgeries. Tried to work. Wound up with another 3 surgeries. I applied for SSDI. I got it. I am in pain everyday. Sometimes need help getting out of bed, showering, many things. It is not fun. I would rather work. trust me.

Response by Maj Diane Varni made Feb 18 at 2021 8:07 PM

Maj Diane Varni — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 20:07:19 -0500

If I had not retired I would receive disability...so WHY should my disability be subtracted from retired pay... That is flat out wrong. Now over 50% disability I am happy they avoid this penalty. I actually counseled a enlisted service menver she would be making more if she took early retirement and her disability than do the last three years.

Response by CPT Thomas Monahan made Mar 1 at 2021 6:36 AM

CPT Thomas Monahan — Mon, 01 Mar 2021 06:36:37 -0500

What’s your rating(s) for? You are on narcotics, experience pain in the 8 to 9 out of 10 range, are self medicating with alcohol, experiencing chronic fatigue, and a shitty quality of life. Sounds like you are still being a hero and soldiering on. You need to meet with a trained VSO at DAV, VFW, etc. and review your conditions (being honest with yourself) and claims. How’s your blood pressure when you are in pain? Are you missing or having to stop work because of your disability? How many hours a day are you bed/couch ridden? What are you able to due on your days off? Do you maintain your home or have someone else do it? How far can you walk without pain? What is your pain management regiment and how effective is it? What was your MOS and do you have tinnitus? Your gutting it out may be hampering your case. In civilian life you work to make money for your life; your life is not life. You may find you qualify for SSDI and or LTD. I got retire PDRL with a 40% rating. I was initially offered 10%, but appealed. I was a Company Commander at the time and moving to be a HHQ Co for a garrison command. I realized I was not able to soldier on, but to “hardcore” to be honest with my self. After consulting a Navy Reserve JAG lawyer, who was my dad’s friend, he told me to asked my driver/clerk, Supply SGT, 1SG, LTs, peer COs, BN Staff Officers, BN and BDE CDRs, friends and wife to write honest letters to the PEB about how they observed performance and disability impact. Once my ARMY JAG lawyer had all the letters and my OER (thanks BN and BDE CDRs) PEB reopened informally and bumped my rating up and retired me. I know it’s hard to admit you are deadlines and not mission capable. You can’t operate circled X for the rest of your life.

Response by PFC Matt Ochmanski made Mar 3 at 2021 11:25 AM

PFC Matt Ochmanski — Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:25:12 -0500

Ok, so if I’m medically retired then work for a Gov’t agency and become totally disabled by the VA and start dipping into my Gov’t retirement and getting my VA service connected disability at a 100%. Then apply and get SSI disability, why not! I earned that right just like any brother or sister that served by my side! Unfortunately sometimes we are jacked up worse than we truly believe! If you can do, go for it! I don’t hate the ones that can, more power to them!

Response by CPT Edward Baker made Mar 4 at 2021 10:33 PM

CPT Edward Baker — Thu, 04 Mar 2021 22:33:32 -0500

In all honesty if you qualify for it, and have put in the time to file for it, then you deserve it. Not like we are going to get a pay raise to bring us to $15 an hour.

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made Mar 6 at 2021 10:47 AM

SPC Robert Bobo — Sat, 06 Mar 2021 10:47:31 -0500

If you're fortunate enough, go for it, hell I know 20 year retired police officers that get jobs with same city as City Marshall's or Code Enforcement Etc. and retire a second time, 40 years combined service with two different retirement incomes. Good for you, I did 41 years in private sector, I have 401k savings , Social Security and some stock, thats it!

Response by CSM James Rollins made Mar 13 at 2021 3:04 PM

CSM James Rollins — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:04:17 -0500

For over 20 years I paid for my own disability. The law now allows me to draw both disability and retirement. I earned both and deserve both. There are other branches of the government that have always drawn both disability and retirement, like the FBI. I think this double/triple dipping talk is just a way to allow the government to again not take care of veterans. They recruit us, send us to war, and then abandon us. I think that until the Vietnam Vets had not started raising hell we would still be treated like the guys and gals from WWI, WWII and Korea, return us home and forget us and hope we will not do anything to upset the apple cart.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Mar 22 at 2021 1:26 AM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:26:23 -0400

Fuck yeah! One department is different than the other... once gov't gets off their asses and make it not so, so be it.. until then, fuck it, collect it all

Response by PFC Michael Harrison made Mar 22 at 2021 4:59 PM

PFC Michael Harrison — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:59:42 -0400

There is no such thing as “Triple Dipping” ! If you have, Unfortunately, all of these or those conditions, take it! You have earned this and it’s not a hand out nor triple dip. I receive my VA rated at 90% and SSDI at 100%. It’s not what I wanted but that’s what I get! It’s a Hard Road to live on but it Damn sure could have been worse! AGREED?!

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Mar 30 at 2021 9:50 AM

LTJG Sandra Smith — Tue, 30 Mar 2021 09:50:36 -0400

If the soldier is getting SSI, plus his disability, he is NOT "living large"! I retired as a civilianbut have a 30%service connected disability, and a modest IRA, plus my SSA. The 3 together are still under $1,900/mo.

Response by CMSgt David Bridge made Apr 3 at 2021 12:53 PM

CMSgt David Bridge — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 12:53:30 -0400

What you make by “triple Dipping” is a lot less than welfare and others get just by crossing our border. Nothing against anyone but show some respect For ALL veterans. No veteran should suffer, be homeless, go hungry or be without mental/physical health.

Response by PO1 Larry Sirmans made Apr 16 at 2021 11:57 PM

PO1 Larry Sirmans — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 23:57:55 -0400

SGM Dawson, if you are as in much discomfort as you indicate and can support those assertions administratively via how I tell you to do it. I am pretty confident I may be able assist. I am quite confident if you are rated at 40% and if you are worse now then when originally rated you can successfully apply for an increase. At 50% you then qual under CDRP and you get the full amount. At any rate, you have nothing to lose accept a little time and effort with documentation. I offer no guarantees except that I will do my best and frankly I’m pretty good at what I do. I am a VFW service officer, post 12163 Perth, Australia. (Yes we US expat veterans are like rats and roaches - we are everywhere) and as As a VSO the VFW do not charge a penny. I handle paperwork cases from primarily in Australia and New Zealand but also get the inquiries from places where are there are no dedicated veteran resources. I’m helping veterans currently with initial claims, increases and appeals from places like India, Sri Lanka, South Africa, Kenya, Tanzania, Malta. My area is wide and diverse but actual case load is really low compared to one of my peers in a place like Chicago or Los Angeles. I even get inquiries from there in the US since I have a (relatively) low case load. I’m not pitching anything for financial gain- I do this as a volunteer. I’ll throw the offer out to anyone on this forum. We can have an initial discussion via Skype etc and I’ll tell you in 10 minutes if I think there are reasonable grounds for an increase or even additional claims. I do this 3 or 4 times a month. As an observation (not as a criticism) I am surprised how little even senior NCO’s and officers know upon separation regarding their Title 38 entitlements. Fair enough I’m happy to assist. Another thing, I suggest EVERYONE who is a veteran get their entitlements squared away before they pass on. Survivors benefits for burials and DIC (dependent indemnity compensation) are the saddest thing I deal with. Because you did not know how to secure it all in a sock, how do you expect your grieving widow to know who to talk to and know what to ask for? This post has turned into a rambling commentary. My apologies if I have lost the plot on the original point of your post or if I seem to have hijacked your comment SGM Dawson.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Apr 23 at 2021 9:12 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:12:03 -0400

Tripple dip? Hell the va can't find my record from 50 years ago for Agent Orange. My DD214 means nothing till I can produce my records that they have. Got to love it, I must be GI#10, thank you!

Response by SSG Bryan Hollister made May 8 at 2021 12:44 PM

SSG Bryan Hollister — Sat, 08 May 2021 12:44:59 -0400

20 years and retired (11 active, 9 reserve and guard).
70% service-conncted medical.
Currently teaching, can retire at 62 (10 years from now).
At 65 years old, I will draw VA pension, military retirement, teacher retirement, which I earned through my labor,, AND Social Security which I earned and paid into for 50 years.

If anyone doesn't like that I'm "quadruple dipping" they can kiss my butt.

Response by Cpl Matthew Asselin made May 9 at 2021 12:47 AM

Cpl Matthew Asselin — Sun, 09 May 2021 00:47:12 -0400

1. If you retire from service and then get a va rating the amount of the va rating is less than your pension you get the difference of your pension from service ie: full pension = 1050.00, va disability = 900.00 you get 150.00 taxable payment from service and 900.00 non-taxable disability payment from va.
This is what I get numbers are examples not real numbers
2. If your va payment is more than your retirement amount eg 1500.00 you will not get retired pay from service you will get the 1500.00 non-taxable va disability payment.
3. If you become unemployable because other condition/injury not service connected you can apply for sis/ssa like any other person and amount paid from ssi/ssa will be based on contributions to ssa or other rules from ssa
So yes you may get three checks from govt but you still only get the equivalent of your full retirement if you get checks for retirement pay and va disability plus social security check not triple dipping getting equivalent of retirement and social security or if disability is more then retirement then just va disability and social security
Last I heard you can draw social security and a military pension
That was how it was explained to me when I got my ca rating

Response by SGM Gerald Fife made May 17 at 2021 4:17 PM

SGM Gerald Fife — Mon, 17 May 2021 16:17:45 -0400

Been out of touch. Will someone explain the term "triple dipping?" Out of touch means that I am an old dog that doesn't have the cure for everything but I will try and give my opinion on all things be they liked or disliked. On top I will say if you are entitled to some money, go get it don't wait for it to come to you. I haven't been posting in a long long time but now I'm baaaaack!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 17 at 2021 8:31 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Mon, 17 May 2021 20:31:39 -0400

I have a 70% rating from the VA and get the other 30% unemployability so I get 100%. The Army offsets my entire disability pension so I get nothing from them. I also get social security disability. Other than that I receive a pension from OPM due to my civilian employment.

The VA takes care of medical and almost everything else, glasses, dentures, etc. etc. But that did nothing for my family. My wife was eligible for TRICARE. Between all of the above we have enough coming in but I have been retired for over 20 years. The 1% that they offset from the VA and Social Security every year starts to impact us.

Response by Sgt Karl Karl made May 20 at 2021 5:43 PM

Sgt Karl Karl — Thu, 20 May 2021 17:43:16 -0400

Before making any comments people need to understand the words that they use. Pension by VA standard is for military service during war time with no disabilities this is barely enough to get by based on other income including spouse. Compensation is for injury, illness for diseases incurred while on active duty These are the only two incomes from the VA. SGM Dawson claims 40% rating I presume that’s from the VA. YOU CAN NOT LOSE THAT RATING IF YOU WORK. If you back is part of that rating MAN get your but back before the rating board and get an increase. Your pension (not sure what you mean) but regardless of income you will not lose your 40%. Go see a veterans rep. Either DAV, VFW OR AMERICAN LEGION. HAVE them help you to understand what’s going on. I myself am a quadruple getter and don’t care I earned every bit of my money.

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made May 22 at 2021 7:52 PM

SGT Doug Blanchard — Sat, 22 May 2021 19:52:14 -0400

When my dad passed away in 1999, he was a quadruple dipper. He drew a military retirement check, drew a 59% VA disability pension, federal civil service retirement and SSDI. He served in two wars, WW II, and Korea. He also got credit for Vietnam. He served 21yrs in the Army, 5yrs in a civilian job, and 20yrs federal civil service. He earned every damn dine that he received from Uncle Sam
As for me, I am a double dipper, I draw a 40% VA disability check and Social Security retirement.

Response by SGT Jack Baxter made May 26 at 2021 3:45 PM

SGT Jack Baxter — Wed, 26 May 2021 15:45:49 -0400

If you’ve worked and earned a retirement then you deserve those retirement benefits. It’s no one else’s business how many retirements you’ve earned.

Response by SFC Hector Cruz made May 26 at 2021 10:52 PM

SFC Hector Cruz — Wed, 26 May 2021 22:52:48 -0400

My opinion......don’t worry about what retirees are doing. They did their time and we all have circumstances that we deal with. I suggest you worry about your own affairs and when you get to your 20 and time for you to retire and have to make life changing decisions on how your going to make it after the military then you’ll have your answer.....

Response by SSG Jack Scott made May 27 at 2021 1:23 AM

SSG Jack Scott — Thu, 27 May 2021 01:23:10 -0400

I retired from the Army with 70% combat related which the VA bumped up to 100%. I also get CRSC pay for Combat Injures. I served 10yrs in the Marine Corps 81 - 91, then Police 92 - 07. I joined the Army in 07 -15 full Retirement 100% after the VA. I also get my Police Retirement for 15yrs so yes I am dipping as much as I can as much as I deserve. I don’t care what a VET collects while Congress can serve just 4yrs and collect 100% and Medical. While lazy people refuse to return to work after COVID because the Democrats are paying them more money to stay home. If you are retiring or a VET use every benefit the military or VA has to offer. Why because the lazy people will suck up all the money and benefits if you don’t.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Jun 6 at 2021 4:08 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 06 Jun 2021 16:08:38 -0400

I personally find the question offensive. I have a friend who worked for AT&T for 25 years and get a check from them after he did that he went on to work for Boeing and now get a check from them after that he went into teaching and eventually got a check from the school system is he a triple dipper? I put 21 years in the Air Force and I get a check for that I put 15 years into a private company can I get a check for that I put another 10 years into working for the state of Arizona and I get a check for that I also get a disability check from the VA I do not consider that a retirement check it’s an insurance policy check the contract said if I got hurt they pay for it it’s not a retirement plan. I get a Social Security check and my wife gets a Social Security check she also gets a check from the company she worked for and retired that makes six checks for the two of us every month we earned every penny of it and I don’t apologize for any of it I find it offensive to anybody that might apply that I cheated the system. One interesting side point this is the question of tax advantages I get a lot of tax advantages because I’m a disabled veteran I take all of them because I didn’t pass the laws, but if I was in the Congress or the state legislator considering some of these rules I don’t think I would’ve voted for that. Again I don’t apologize for anything I’ve gotten I work hard for it I put my life on the line for it I earned every penny I get and then some if you ask for a truthful answer.

Response by SSG Mike Zientek made Jun 15 at 2021 9:22 AM

SSG Mike Zientek — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:22:17 -0400

After my Army retirement, my service-connected disabilities prevented me from maintaining meaningful employment.
1. My retirement pay was earned with my 20+ years of Service in the Active Army, Reserve and Guard. Over 13 years of this time was on active duty through RA, USAR, and the WIARNG.
2. My VA disability is compensation for not being able to work and keep meaningful employment.
3. I am also collecting SSDI. I paid social security taxes on every military and civilian job I had. That money has always been my money. I deserve that as well.
4. If I had no disabilities, I would gladly be working full time, making more money than my VA disability and SSDI combined. Plus, I wouldn’t have the 24/7 pain.
5. If I didn’t have the disability, I would still be Active Army, making more money than my disability, SSDI and retirement. I am a retired E6. I would be a Senior NCO, or I would be a warrant officer.

Response by MAJ Michael Cummings made Jun 17 at 2021 9:48 PM

MAJ Michael Cummings — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 21:48:49 -0400

Those that can are much less in number than what people think are out there. I for one have no problems with it. I am looking forward to being able to draw my military pension, my fed pension and my VA check all at the same time due to my %. That is the closest I will come to a triple dip.

Response by MSgt Walter Clack made Jul 12 at 2021 5:15 PM

MSgt Walter Clack — Mon, 12 Jul 2021 17:15:07 -0400

Spent 22 years in Marines. Working part-time half the time. Filed for VA second year after retirement and was granted S/C of 30% for hearing loss, tinnitus, and back pain. Over next several years as pain increased filed for increase which went from 30 to 40 to 50 to 70 to 80% as back conditioned worsened. After reaching 80% was forced to retire completely due to pain and the adverse effect of meds. Was able to start SSA at that time due to my age. Filed for and 5 years later received 100% S/C due to unemployability. Presently receive Mil Ret, VA 100% S/C, and SSA.
The Mil Ret pay is for my time in the Marines
The VA 100% S/C pay if for being injured, several times, while serving.
The SSA pay is from all the deductions made from my work earnings from 52 years of labor.

Response by SGT John Prolo made Jul 17 at 2021 11:34 PM

SGT John Prolo — Sat, 17 Jul 2021 23:34:14 -0400

I served 23 years ago! Wth do you mean I shouldn’t make more than when i served? Pound sand…

Response by SFC Frederick Dalton made Aug 6 at 2021 10:27 PM

SFC Frederick Dalton — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 22:27:42 -0400

I’m a retired SFC, draw disability at 60%, and I’m a government employee. I’ve earned every damn dollar. Next question?

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Aug 18 at 2021 8:02 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 20:02:32 -0400

I'm raising the Bull Shit Flag on this survey. The only this the poster of this survey is trying to do is stir dissent among those who served. There is NO TRIPLE DIPPING. A service member is awarded benefits based on time served and service connected disabilities. PERIOD. To judge or discriminate on those qualifications is shameful. If you have a service connected disability - start your claim NOW, FILE TODAY: https://www.va.gov/disability/how-to-file-claim/

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Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Aug 18 at 2021 8:13 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 20:13:25 -0400

The poster of this so called 'survey' is looking to stir dissent. There is NO TRIPLE DIPPING. Service members with service connected disabilities have earned and qualified for all that they are entitled to under the law. File your disability claim NOW. The start date will be based on the start date of that call. FILE TODAY: https://www.va.gov/disability/how-to-file-claim/

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Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2021 9:05 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 21:05:54 -0400

Right on brother

Response by PVT J Leonard made Aug 27 at 2021 10:44 PM

PVT J Leonard — Fri, 27 Aug 2021 22:44:46 -0400

I think what you're considering as triple dipping is incorrect. You could be entitled to retirement for serving and or working for the federal government in some capacity and GS rating that adds up to 15 or more years. That would be dip number one. Number two would be having any disability rating due to injuries sustained while on active duty in the military only, which can be collected regardless. Number three occurs when a person, due to said injuries, is found to be considered 100% disabled, either by the VA or SSD, at which point, said person can draw retirement, VA disability, and SSD, usually without penalty or cancellation of one. If you service was as bad as some, and you still managed to find a government job to get to your 15, 20 or more, take back what you have earned.

Response by SFC Justin Rooks made Aug 28 at 2021 9:51 AM

SFC Justin Rooks — Sat, 28 Aug 2021 09:51:48 -0400

When I was a Recruiter, I used to always talk about now you should make sure that your country takes care of you after you take that uniform off. Being properly compensated after you get out isn't a given. The government got what it wanted from you when you put the uniform on, now you need to ensure that they care for you after you take it off. If you meet the qualifications to get the checks, go for it. Probably means that you really went through some stuff to get to that point. I actually know a could vets that are in that "triple-dip" status and I can honestly say that they definitely earned it.

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Sep 3 at 2021 9:48 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 21:48:50 -0400

What the hell kind of survey. Trying to still up ill will and discontent? And why kind of haters are the current 10% who don't think former service members deserve what is just under the law? Shame on them. Clearly they never served hard duty. Nuf' said.

Response by SFC David Hackett made Sep 13 at 2021 1:51 PM

SFC David Hackett — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 13:51:59 -0400

For any of us that served that qualify for this then none of us are "getting over" anything as people are prone to say. When these people were working 9-5 and sitting home on their couches at 5:30 we were all out in B-F-E serving in conditions that not a damn one of them would even dream of doing! It always galls me when people at my work say "must be nice getting a retirement check too" like I got it for free!

Response by SPC Ken Hall made Sep 14 at 2021 8:58 AM

SPC Ken Hall — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:58:31 -0400

Several issues to review
1. Military Retirement
You put the time in, you earned the benefits.
2. VA Disability
A separate program based not on time of service BUT on a rating established by a separate government agency regarding the individual's injuries related to service in the armed forces.
3. SSDI (NOT SSI, a low income disabilities assistance program).
The US Government has been taking this TAX out against us since before I started working (pre-military 1970's). It is controlled by a separate government agency than the 2 above listed agencies. Their criteria is not the same as the VA's, even if they accept the VA rating decision. VA ratings and SSDI ratings may/usually will have divergent points of focus, even if the criteria is shown by the medical decision of the the 2nd agency.

Further, you can actually have 4X dippers who will also draw state or federal civil service pay and or retirement benefits.

We are told in in the Military that if you earned it wear it. What’s the difference.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Sep 15 at 2021 1:51 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:51:37 -0400

I'm retired military, recieve 20% disability from the VA, and I work for MSC. If people don't like someone like me triple dipping, I don't care.

Response by SN Dale "CG" Veach made Sep 21 at 2021 10:36 AM

SN Dale "CG" Veach — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 10:36:04 -0400

FOr everything THEY put us through...the things we did, the pain, the wounds the stress, the utter fright...yea, we should be getting a LOT more. They swore they would take care of us...but near poverty level ?????

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Sep 25 at 2021 8:05 AM

1SG Billye Jackson — Sat, 25 Sep 2021 08:05:56 -0400

Yes you earned it get it and feel no Remose. Here is another Bennie most retirees ( Vietnam Vets) don't know about. Im 100% VA, SS ( because Im 75) and retired after 23 years. I was talking to a Sp Ops CSM and he asked if my VA Dis was due to Agent Orange, I sad yes. (Hart ) he told me to check in to having my Army Retirement Changed to CSRC. It seems that Agent Orange exposure is considered Combat related (WIA) and makes you Army Retirement Tax Exempt and No VA Offset, as an E8 it amounted to $235a month raise, and makes my income from SS too low to even file Taxes.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Oct 31 at 2021 12:23 AM

MSG John Duchesneau — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 00:23:59 -0400

Triple dip? How about quadruple dip? Some Veterans qualify for all of the following -

1. Military retirement pay.
2. VA disability compensation.
3. US Government civil service retirement.
4. Social Security.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Mar 4 at 2022 11:48 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 11:48:47 -0500

If someone qualifies under the regulations their lives are definitely challenged. Who the would be against that.

Retired active or other, earned (paid in too). 50% combat or service connected, earned. Often paid with medical damage. Unable to work and qualify for SSI (more likely is SSD), earned and paid in too.

So two are paid through the years of service and working before and after, the third earned through sacrifice.

So again I ask, who would be against that.

If a civilian works at two locations for 10 or more years they will receive two pensions (or something similar). If they get injured on the job they will also qualify for workman’s comp, leading to SSD. What’s the difference!

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Mar 4 at 2022 11:52 AM

Cpl Christopher Bishop — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 11:52:41 -0500

With so many dollars and resources going to illegals...IMO all veterans should be maximizing whatever they can, and chances may be that those getting “extra” might help other veterans with their “extra”.