Should Vietnam-era Vets be addressed as "Vietnam Vets"?

SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:37:17 -0500

I have spoken with other vets regarding this topic, and they have indicated that in some States, they are addressed as such. I personally don't feel it's right, as I served in Germany from 62 to 65, and not in Country.

What is your take on this?

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Feb 27 at 2015 4:37 PM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:37:58 -0500

Vet is a vet is a vet. Trying to categorize them is what is starting to cause issues for SEN Ernst.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 5:00 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:00:35 -0500

It seems to me, SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD, that you would be a Vietnam era vet, and folks who served in Vietnam would be called Vietnam vets. At least that's the distinction I would make. Kind of like me. I never served in OIF or OEF, but I did serve during that time. I certainly don't call or consider myself an OIF or OEF vet.

Response by SP5 Michael Rathbun made Feb 27 at 2015 5:50 PM

SP5 Michael Rathbun — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:50:08 -0500

If I recall correctly, the distinction was between those who were authorized the RVN service medal vs those who were not. A great number of in-country vets don't really pay too much attention unless an era vet somehow tries to portray himself as having been right there for Ia Drang or Pleiku. Then it gets stiff.

I do have to state that the incident in my brief military career that still gives me the most bad dreams happened to me in Germany, not in Viet-Nam.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 6:19 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:19:27 -0500

My father in law did not serve in Vietnam but spent time in Germany. He feels akward if you call him a Vietnam Vet and rightfully so. He was drafted when his brother in law stayed home and got rich buying up the farms of those who died in the war. He didn't ask for Germany and he is a great guy. Out respect for his fellow vets who served, he doesn't accept the title Vietnam Vet. His Frustration came when went back home to America with other Vets and was treated like the Vietnam Vets. He gets angry at times because of those who got out of being drafted profited and all ran the small towns across the USA. He had to fight along side Vietnam Vets to get jobs and be respected. However he is not a Vietnam Vet. Had the Cold War gone south and the Pershings fired; he wouldn't likely have survived and I wouldn't have my wife. I respect his service even though he is not a Vietnam Vet.

I just added this part: he will not tell most others this but he will tell a vet because he believes only a vet would know.

I as a rule never question another's service. Unless he or she is doing so to other or is lieing out right (ie. Navy Seal, Sapper, Ranger, Marine, Fighter Pilot; I met one once and according to him he glows in the dark due to agent orange;)

Response by Maj Joseph Osborne made Feb 27 at 2015 6:59 PM

Maj Joseph Osborne — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:59:25 -0500

Everyone who served should be very proud of their service. That being said, I deployed part of every calendar year from '02-'13, mostly to "safe" bases, while flying into Iraq and Afghanistan. I still didn't consider myself an Iraq or Afghanistan vet (in spite of earning the respective campaign medals) until I actually spent time in each country. Yet I know, and respect, a lot of others who don't make that distinction. I guess it falls to each individual. I tend to agree, that as long as you don't exaggerate your service, it really doesn't matter.

Response by MSgt Jim Pollock made Feb 27 at 2015 7:10 PM

MSgt Jim Pollock — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:10:20 -0500

Only if it's relevant. VN service was different than WW2 and GWOT service is different either of those eras. If the conversation involves those differences, then yes. If not, we are all simply veterans.

I'll caveat this with honesty and clarity are important. If an OIF veteran served but never deployed to the conflict, they probably ought to make that fact known. There's no shame in that, it's just that people are sensitive to earned valor these days. Better to clarify than face an embarrassing misunderstanding .

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 8:49 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:49:22 -0500

Absolutely Not! Vietnam era vets weren't there and in no way are Vietnam Vets. I saw on Medals of America website, there is a Nam era medal for them. How silly is that? I couldn't wear that medal. It doesn't stand for anything, except you were in the military while the war was going on. Why you weren't there, I'll never understand.

Response by Matthew Torrelli made Feb 27 at 2015 9:06 PM

Matthew Torrelli — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:06:08 -0500

All veteran's serve in different Areas of distinction while at war like me I'm a 101st Airborne Division Veteran of Iraq & Afghanistan. So no a Vet is not just a Vet. My Father is a Proud Vietnam Vet, 173rd Airborne Brigade.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Feb 28 at 2015 12:51 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 00:51:08 -0500

Absolutely not, in my view.... Being in the military during the era does not make you a Vietnam Veteran. Being in Vietnam makes you a Vietnam Veteran. If think that is a subterfuge and could be considered stolen valor. Be proud you are veteran, but don't ever embellish.

Response by SPC Michael Ferguson made Feb 28 at 2015 3:12 PM

SPC Michael Ferguson — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:12:15 -0500

No, only those who served in country should be called that. You just can't change history of the meaning of things. That's why you have the two categories in at the time and in country.

Response by PO1 Joan (Tipka) (Plummer) Fisher made Feb 28 at 2015 3:57 PM

PO1 Joan (Tipka) (Plummer) Fisher — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:57:42 -0500

No! Vietnam Vets Earned the exclusive right to call themselves that. It would be another slap in the face to them to call someone who served in Europe a Vietnam Vet. Only those who endured the hardships should be called that.

Response by PO1 Joan (Tipka) (Plummer) Fisher made Feb 28 at 2015 4:01 PM

PO1 Joan (Tipka) (Plummer) Fisher — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:01:46 -0500

Thank you to all the Vietnam Vets for your service and sacrifice. It is deplorable how you all were treated when you came home. My father is a Vietnam Vet and I am very proud of him. He is my Hero.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 4:13 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:13:22 -0500

Why the hell are we trying to classify an era of Veteran? This is ridiculous. If you served this country, in the time specified in your contract, then you're a Veteran.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 5:30 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:30:22 -0500

A veteran is a veteran, they should not be labeled by the period/war that they served.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Feb 28 at 2015 9:18 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:18:54 -0500

To be fair, anyone who served in the military during the time of the Vietnam War had a chance of going there. Furthermore, anyone in uniform during that time was subject to the same abuse back home. You were just as likely to be called a "Baby Killer" and have pig's blood thrown on you regardless of where you were stationed or what your MOS was.

However, there is a distinction. Vietnam Era Vets are not Vietnam Vets. Those who served in Germany or Alabama weren't exposed to enemy fire or Agent Orange. Let's not blur the lines...

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 10:36 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 22:36:18 -0500

Anyone who has served or currently is serving our great county has earned the title “VETERAN.” This title transcends the location of service, the service member’s occupation, or era of service. The delineation between individuals who served in specific conflicts/theaters can be used to refer to or group individuals. This type of categorization tends to epitomize generations (ERA) of service members based on the state of the world during their service. In the case of an individual who served during Vietnam but didn't actually deploy in support of combat operations, they could be referred to as a Vietnam-Era Veterans but not a Vietnam Veterans.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Mar 1 at 2015 9:23 AM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 09:23:28 -0500

P.L. 104-275 incorporates provisions from a multitude of different bills resulting from compromise agreements between the United States House of Representatives and Senate. This letter amends the definition of the Vietnam era for certain veterans.

Section 505 states:

(a) In General — Paragraph (29) of section 101 (of Title 38) is amended to read as follows:

(29) The term `Vietnam era’ means the following:

(A) The period beginning on February 28, 1961, and ending on May 7, 1975, in the case of a veteran who served in the Republic of Vietnam during that period.

(B) The period beginning on August 5, 1964, and ending on May 7, 1975, in all other cases.".

The VA can cause weird results by its classifications of vets during the Vietnam era. See the URL for one example.

http://bluewaternavy.org/Mccainbackup.htm

Here is a quote:
"John McCain, Jim Stockdale and all others in this predicament have been re-classified by the Department of Veterans Affairs as Vietnam Era veterans. Public reference to them as Vietnam War veterans is incorrect, per the new re-written history presented by the Department of Veterans Affairs. Our Presidential Candidate should no longer refer to himself as a veteran of the Vietnam War. This title is being stripped from him by the DVA. And just imagine the embarrassment of having to remove names chiseled in the stone the Vietnam Memorial Wall. "

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 12:30 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 12:30:48 -0500

I am a Vietnam ERA Vet. I served on active duty from 1960-1975. I never identify myself as a Vietnam vet and immediately tell those who asked where I served there that I did not. I supported those that were there and I am proud of that. But, I am also happy I was lucky enough to not go.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 5:02 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 17:02:14 -0500

If you didn't serve in country then I don't think the term should apply specifically. You can broaden by saying "Vietnam war era army" but not specifically to the soldier. Just like today. We have a mix of Iraq war vets, and afghan war vets. Both happening at the same time but completely different meanings and experiences.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Mar 1 at 2015 5:32 PM

LTC Stephen C. — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 17:32:06 -0500

SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD, absolutely not.

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Mar 1 at 2015 5:46 PM

CSM Michael J. Uhlig — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 17:46:30 -0500

I think the answer is in the question.....Doesn't a title combat veteran require participation in a designated combat areas?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 12:11 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 00:11:33 -0500

I would never call myself a Vietnam Veteran. I was barely an era veteran. Viet True Vietnam Veterans went through a bitter war that I cant even imagine! I got commissioned into the reserve component after the actual war ended in 73 and did an 3-year active tour starting July 76 barely qualifying me for VN era GI bill. Ill call myself an era-vet (by virtue of qualifying for the GI bil) but to call myself a Vietnam Vet would be stolen valor. Ironically, i served most Reserve component for 28 years starting just after VN ended and mandatory retirement just before 9/11/01. I was hoping to stay in longer and get deployed but 9//11 unfortunately did not relax the MRD rules (28 years for O-5)
I served in the longest period of relative peace. (never got called for Desert Storm or other smaller deployments) I am very proud and grateful I got to serve my country and make a Reserve career with its intangible and tangible benefits; however, career or not those service-members and veterans who are serving/did serve in a combat zone deserve my salute. I talk to vets and read about what they go through with many suffering physical and psychological injures and many who gave their lives; but i cannot imagine what it like. Only those people should be called Vietnam (or Gulf War, etc) Veterans. Thanks to all of them for their service and sacrifice!

Response by CW4 John Karl T. made Mar 2 at 2015 2:16 AM

CW4 John Karl T. — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 02:16:03 -0500

The VA classify vets as Viet Nam Era. However, if you served in the armed forces, you are a vet. If you served during the years of a conflict then you may be a WWII, Korean War, Viet Nam War, etc vet. If you served in combat you are a WWII, Korean, Viet Nam combat vet. I give all vets my respect. Fellow combat vets get double measure.

Response by SPC Richard White made Mar 2 at 2015 4:18 AM

SPC Richard White — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 04:18:57 -0500

A vet is a Vet.I will go an extra bit for a Vietnam vet and make sure to tell them welcome home since they were treated so poorly when they came home from in country.I can say that the Cold War vet is the most unrecognized vet.I will leave it at that

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 1:43 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 01:43:04 -0500

I've often wondered why Viet Nam era Veterans feel the need to identify when they served. I have a coworker who wears either a Viet Nam Era or Cold War Era ball cap to work every day. It looks as though this practice has it's roots in the way the VA classifies Veterans. I still find it strange. I've never seen anyone identify themselves as a Korean War or Desert Storm era Veteran. I doubt in 20 years we'll have people wearing GWOT era Veteran caps either. Why not simply identify as a "Veteran" instead of tying yourself to a conflict? Why is this distinction primarily made by Viet Nam era vets? Their service is honorable regardless of what era it happened in.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 9:37 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 09:37:47 -0500

I've seen a lot of people say that Vietnam veterans set themselves apart. I know a lot of vietnam era veterans, including people very close to me. And I truly believe everyone is the same. A good man I know, if I didn't on the level I do, I'd never know he was a veteran. I believe a veteran is a veteran, no matter the conflict or the era. Every veteran who has served receives the utmost respect from me and mine every time I see one. I'll go out of my way to buy their meals, shake their hands, and say thank you. Just like my future kids will do, and the way that I was raised.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 11:41 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 11:41:56 -0500

Only if they were there.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Mar 11 at 2015 8:10 PM

LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:10:44 -0400

It really depends. A service member stationed in Thailand, Korea, etc., who was in a supporting or active role in the war, then YES. If they were in CONUS, Europe or any where else, of course not.

Bottom line: If they have the Viet Nam medals, they are Viet Nam vets, if not - not..

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2015 11:43 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Mar 2015 11:43:46 -0400

I take it as:

A Veteran is a Veteran, no matter the Country or War served.

HOWEVER! I do high a higher admiration for those that did serve in Vietnam. (WWII as well)

Response by LTC Joe Brown made Mar 18 at 2015 11:48 AM

LTC Joe Brown — Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:48:20 -0400

Vietnam vet or Vietnam era vets, no difference they both served.

Response by 1LT Robert Barnes made Mar 18 at 2015 1:19 PM

1LT Robert Barnes — Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:19:19 -0400

I personally take the hard line towards this, if you were not in country you are not a Vietnam vet. support services, regardless of where you were stationed Korea, Thailand, Europe, or US are not the same as being in country. I have the same hard line with current Gulf War service members saying they served in Iraq or Afghanistan when they were support services in Kuwait or in Europe. It is simple you were either in country, or you were not.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Apr 2 at 2015 12:40 PM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 12:40:45 -0400

BTW - that's terrific picture!
M-14s and no helmet covers!
I bet those guys are wearing leather boots!

Response by CCMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 1:01 PM

CCMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 13:01:54 -0400

In my opinion, we have to be very careful how we tread on this.

There were a lot of service members in places that were not within the boundaries of Vietnam, they never (OR much much later) got full recognition of their accomplishments. Chief Master Sergeant Richard Etchberger is the perfect example of this.

Additionally, in the case of GWI you had a lot of service members that were never in Iraq. A lot of us were in Saudi or UAE, or on ships in the Gulf. The services themselves have varying degrees and varying medals.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 8:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Apr 2015 20:07:47 -0400

I don't want to cause any friction and this will be my last post about Vietnam Era Vets. I'm proud of you for serving and I thank you for your service past and continuous service. Let me ask you this. Should Middle East Era Veterans be described as the same as the vets that were there, in combat, and seeing those horrible things that happen in a war? I think those combat veterans and those still in and having a third or fourth deployment might agree with me.

The truth is I don't like Vietnam era vets being included with
| Actual Vietnam vets. When I think about the almost 60,000 names on the
| wall, and all the crap we had to take after we got home, there is no
| relation at all. They weren't there to stick their hand in somebody's
| guts trying to hold them in. They weren't there to see my friends head
| knocked off because a rotor hit him. They weren't there and had to
| help stack one body after another on top of each other and then have
| to sleep the helicopter that same night. They don't have a clue what
| went on over there. The parents of all those maimed and dead soldiers
| were Vietnam era, and they know what it's like.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Apr 4 at 2015 3:16 AM

PO1 John Miller — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 03:16:02 -0400

Absolutely not. Unless they were in country or in Vietnamese water (mostly for the Navy) then they are not a Vietnam vet. A good (though not completely accurate) way to judge if they're a Vietnam vet is to look at their medals. Do they have a Vietnam Service Medal? Then they're a Vietnam vet.

I say this is not 100% accurate because there are some Navy vets who because they didn't step foot on Vietnamese soil (but were in Vietnamese territorial water) don't have the Medals and are (wrongly in my opinion) not considered a Vietnam vet.

Here's a good example. My dad served in the Navy 59-62. He didn't consider himself a Nam vet. Hell, he didn't even consider himself a Nam era vet (though he was awarded the National Defense Service Medal due to the time frame he was in).

Response by CPO Sam Gilliland made Apr 4 at 2015 1:37 PM

CPO Sam Gilliland — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:37:44 -0400

This is how the VA determines what Era a vet is. Today's veterans are Gulf War Era- GWI, GWII, Iraq and Afghanistan all fit into this category. Even if you only served stateside, you are still Gulf War Era and considered priority over peace time vets. To qualify for Agent Orange exposure you have to have had boots on the ground and a few other instances. I once saw a guy win an appeal because he showed a picture of him in '69 leaning against a canister of Agent Orange. Hard to deny that. Today's "Agent Orange" is Undiagnosed Illiness which you have to be boots on the ground in Iraq to qualify.

Response by SSG Vince Sanchez made Apr 4 at 2015 5:36 PM

SSG Vince Sanchez — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 17:36:14 -0400

I volunteered for VN but was turned down after boot camp and was told no combat trained troops were being sent to VN anymore, but they would send me to the next best place....wasn't was I wanted, but wth....

anyways, I received the VN benefits which paid for my college and talked with many of relatives and friends who went to VN they felt the same as I did, I am considered VN era only since I never set foot in VN for more than 3 mnths.... so, im considered era and I volunteered in those days, which was considered a dumb thing to do then....

Response by SSG Vince Sanchez made Apr 4 at 2015 5:40 PM

SSG Vince Sanchez — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 17:40:26 -0400

oh crap, I thought I already did! well, same here for the most part! wish I had gone though!

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made Apr 4 at 2015 5:41 PM

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 17:41:23 -0400

Think of it like this, nowadays we have millions of Global War on Terror Veterans...but not all of them are either Iraq or Afghanistan Veterans.

Likewise, just because somene served during the Vietnam War...but never actually went to War, makes them a Vietnam War Veteran.

Just wrong in my book.

Response by Sgt Cody Dumont made Apr 5 at 2015 3:32 PM

Sgt Cody Dumont — Sun, 05 Apr 2015 15:32:24 -0400

Vietnam vets are derive members who served in country. My infantry class was the first class not to go to Iraq in 1991, therefore I am not an Iraq war war vet.

Response by SPC George Long made Apr 5 at 2015 5:45 PM

SPC George Long — Sun, 05 Apr 2015 17:45:29 -0400

No. If your someone who served in the Military during the Un pleasantness in Asia at that time you are not in my eyes a Vietnam vet. All the arguments of being drafted and going where you wee sent really is not the point. If you never went to the combat zone, no matter what else you did, if you could not catch an AK round to the head you just are not one of us. Cold War Vet yes.....Viet Nam Vet Now. That's the Opinion of a 65 year old Vietnam vet who was discharged from the army after 2 years 10 months and 14 days at Walter Reed Medical due to several boo boo's suffered at the hands of our enemies.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 8:25 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:25:24 -0400

No. They should just be addressed as Veterans. The implication with what you're asking is that they actually saw combat and that is too misleading.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 10:39 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Apr 2015 22:39:16 -0400

In my opinion, no.
You were either there or you weren't. To say that you are a "Vietnam Era Veteran" is to imply you are something you are not to the casual listener.

Response by LTC Marc King made Apr 15 at 2015 1:57 PM

LTC Marc King — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:57:37 -0400

Got to go with the majority on this one -- Service in Viet Nam earns you a VN Vet -- Service anywhere else earns you a Vet! Be proud that you served. There were many that dodged the draft back in the day. School deferments, sick lame and lazy it was not real hard to do if you wanted too. We supported an Army in Europe the entire time and some had to serve there... They are truly Vets and we thanks them for their service. Those of us who served in Viet Nam know the difference...

Response by Sgt Franklin B. made Apr 22 at 2015 4:38 PM

Sgt Franklin B. — Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:38:25 -0400

I never ever though about the term. I have headed the term World war 1 and World war 11 along with Korean War men and women being addressed Veterans of those eras and I have been address as a Vietnam Veteran
l see nothing wrong with the term.

Response by 1SG Charles Hunter made Apr 23 at 2015 12:31 AM

1SG Charles Hunter — Thu, 23 Apr 2015 00:31:09 -0400

If they don't have the ribbon, no.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 23 at 2015 10:01 AM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:01:04 -0400

Consider yourself lucky for not deploying to an absolutely vicious war.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Apr 24 at 2015 5:08 AM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 05:08:16 -0400

I don't think a distinction is necessary. If you served your country; you served your country and are a veteran no matter where you were stationed or deployed to.

Response by Sgt David G Duchesneau made Apr 24 at 2015 8:07 PM

Sgt David G Duchesneau — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 20:07:14 -0400

It all depends on who you ask. To the Men and Women That Served in the Vietnam War: Thank You and Welcome Home my brothers and sisters! SEMPER FI! The Rock Pile, near Route 9 from Laos. Part of the Ho Chi Minh Trail. August, 1969.

To the Men and Women That Served in the Vietnam War: Thank You

Backed by music from the era, as well as powerful photos, this video is a tribute to the men and women that fought in the Vietnam War.

Response by SPC Arthur Hanley made Apr 29 at 2015 1:21 PM

SPC Arthur Hanley — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:21:36 -0400

No! How can you be a Veteran of Vietnam if you never served in Vietnam. Those who served during the Vietnam Era should be proud of their service. They did what they were ordered to do, served where they were ordered to serve. I salute them for their service but they must not call themselves nor should they be labeled "Vietnam veterans".

Response by LTC Henry H Wadsworth made Apr 29 at 2015 4:22 PM

LTC Henry H Wadsworth — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:22:22 -0400

If you served "In Country" you can be and should be called a "Vietnam Veteran". Those that served in support roles are "Vietnam Era Veteran" but we are all Veterans whether we served in country or not.

Response by SSG Paul Forel made May 6 at 2015 11:43 AM

SSG Paul Forel — Wed, 06 May 2015 11:43:16 -0400

No. "Vietnam Veteran" means you served in Vietnam. The "Vietnam Era Veteran" was created to placate the crybabies who were in the states and felt they ought to get some kind of recognition.

Recognition for what, I don't know. Yes, they may have served in support roles and I love them for that but really now, is there such a thing as a "WWII Era Veteran" or "Korean War Era Veteran"?

Even having this conversation is wasteful and gives weight to this non-issue.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 4:56 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 16:56:10 -0400

Vietnam Vets are those who served in Vietnam. The ones who were snubbed by the public and their sacrifices that were swept to the side during the anti-war groups/era. I have seen that many people want to make right the wrongs but you cant do it to the lump sum of the era. I hope that conveys how I intend it to. I don't want to take away from other members from the era but if you weren't there you weren't a Vietnam veteran. Just like I wont be an OIF/OEF veteran, simply just a veteran and when/if I get deployed I will be able to stake that claim when the time comes.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made May 7 at 2015 11:40 AM

LTC Stephen F. — Thu, 07 May 2015 11:40:01 -0400

I don't think Vietnam era veterans should be known as Vietnam vets my friend SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD .
To be honest, I am not surprised when "reporters" are not accurate and misspeak. Many are clueless about the military.
I enlisted during the Vietnam war with the hope of being sent over; but, there was no need for 12bs in early 1975. Anybody who serves in the military is subject to being deployed to a warzone when they are active. Some people volunteer but most are deployed whether they want to or not. Some are deployed to fight or directly support the fight. Some support from afar. When support functions well, the troops on the ground are supported when support breaks down troops bringing the fight to the enemy don't have everything they need.
FYI SSG Michael Noll SSG Donald H "Don" Bates SGT Steve McFarland SFC Private RallyPoint Member SP5 Jeannie Carle
I prefer to be known as a US Army Veteran.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made May 7 at 2015 11:49 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Thu, 07 May 2015 11:49:19 -0400

I am an Iraqi war vet, not an Afgan vet, wasn't there. There is a big difference between Vietnam-era vet and a Vietnam Vet. One states a time frame, the other states a place.

Response by Cpl Patrick Reade made May 7 at 2015 12:00 PM

Cpl Patrick Reade — Thu, 07 May 2015 12:00:33 -0400

I don't get called "afghan vet" I am a veteran of that specific location but I am a veteran. I have nothing but the highest respect for those who went through the hell of Vietnam and I will address them as sir. In sure if I believe one will be offended if I don't refer to him as "hello mr Vietnam vet" he has bigger issues than that.

Response by Cpl Patrick Reade made May 7 at 2015 12:03 PM

Cpl Patrick Reade — Thu, 07 May 2015 12:03:45 -0400

Ok I must have mis understood the topic. My bad, if you weren't in country you are not a vet of that country. You may be a veteran but that's it good ole fellow. Be happy you got the chance to serve your country but don't assume u deserve credit for a place you didn't go or a war you didn't fight.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made May 7 at 2015 12:55 PM

MSG Brad Sand — Thu, 07 May 2015 12:55:32 -0400

Only if they were treating animals only in Vietnam?

If you are talking about veterans, then no.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made May 7 at 2015 2:31 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Thu, 07 May 2015 14:31:13 -0400

I would say no, but I would also say there was a few other things going on at that time period, the main one being the Cold War. Not everyone went to Nam, but their were those who were in Missile Silo's, ADA sites, submarines, Checkpoint Charlie, 1 K zones keeping an ever watchful eye on a sneaky bear, a red dragon, and some other dictators. Life wasn't easy for those people either, nothing like it was for the Vietnam vet, but not exactly home sweet home either.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made May 7 at 2015 5:28 PM

SPC David Hannaman — Thu, 07 May 2015 17:28:55 -0400

Semantics of service aside, To me a Vietnam Vet is someone who served in the Vietnam combat theater. To include Laos, Cambodia, and Naval operations.

My personal experience relates... I was 19 in Desert Storm, went there, and was awarded a combat patch.

Three years later I was in Korea when Kim Il Sung died, power was passed to Kim Jong Un who proceed to mass 3/4ths of a million troops on the boarder and wait for the river to freeze so he could roll over the 60,000 U.S. service members and "reunite the country". The river never froze and he never got the chance to invade.

Maybe it was because I was young and unaware during Desert Storm, maybe it was because I was Busy during Desert Storm (The plan in Korea was: "If they cross the river head south and hope reinforcement gets there in time"), but Korea *seemed* much more dangerous to me... but no combat patch.

No disrespect to the guys that never left CONUS during Vietnam... but claiming "Vietnam Veteran" when you weren't in the theater of war is getting dangerously close to stolen valor if you ask me.

Response by PO1 John Miller made May 8 at 2015 3:16 AM

PO1 John Miller — Fri, 08 May 2015 03:16:04 -0400

Absolutely not. Unless they were boots on ground or in Vietnamese-controlled water (in the case of most Navy guys), they are a Vietnam-ERA vet as you yourself agree.

Response by PO1 John Miller made May 8 at 2015 3:17 AM

PO1 John Miller — Fri, 08 May 2015 03:17:32 -0400

My dad served in the Navy from 59-62 and was awarded the National Defense Service medal because of the time-frame, so is technically a Vietnam-era vet.

Make no mistake, he never called himself a Vietnam veteran. He didn't even consider himself a Vietnam-era vet. He did the majority of his time forward deployed to Bahrain.

Response by SSG Richard Beaman made May 8 at 2015 10:59 PM

SSG Richard Beaman — Fri, 08 May 2015 22:59:31 -0400

I tried to post a week ago on this topic. I saw all these shirts and caps printed for VietNam Era Veteran. PMO. I did my time in country and paid my dues now some statesite or German theater" wanna be" suddenly wants recognition. We went 50 years hanging our heads. NOW that we can at least show out ribbons everyone wants a piece of the act. Well screw it. I'll go hide for another 50.

Response by SP5 Joel McDargh made Jun 17 at 2015 10:49 AM

SP5 Joel McDargh — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:49:32 -0400

You are a Vietnam era veteran. Though you served at the time you never served in country. Still, feel pride in what you did and accomplished during that time. No shame there. Proud to call you brother. By the way, you did not miss one thing by not serving in Vietnam.

Response by PFC Timothy Fitzgerald made Jun 20 at 2015 5:54 PM

PFC Timothy Fitzgerald — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:54:55 -0400

My Dad served during the Korean war, but spent his enlightenment in Panama. He always referred to himself as a war era veteran, and not a war vet. I would find out from a vet, I was talking with, which they preferred.

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Aug 7 at 2015 4:54 AM

SSgt Terry P. — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 04:54:54 -0400

In-country being the operative word---Vietnam era Vets can not identify with those who were "IN-COUNTRY"even though they too did what was expected of them as we all did, Maybe we should all just be "Vets".

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 7 at 2015 4:25 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:25:38 -0400

I see nothing wrong with it.

Response by PFC Frank Marshall made Aug 18 at 2015 12:22 AM

PFC Frank Marshall — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 00:22:18 -0400

If you call an era vet a Vietnam vet, you are giving that vet, unearned valor, somehting that rightfully belongs to the boots on the ground, in country, combat vet.

Response by SGT Lou Meza made Aug 18 at 2015 2:48 AM

SGT Lou Meza — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 02:48:41 -0400

Personally if I had not served in Vietnam I would not consider myself a Vietnam veteran ! I would just be an Army veteran ! Nothing wrong with that ! There are many that didn't go to Vietnam because the Army needed them someplace else , again nothing wrong with that ! They served where they were needed . The way I see it if you served in Vietnam then you are a Vietnam veteran . If not then you are an Army , Navy , Air Force or National Guard and let's not forget Marines veteran

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Aug 27 at 2015 3:05 PM

1SG Harold Piet — Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:05:57 -0400

I served from 75 to 95 they considered me a Nam - era vet even though Nam was over as most of us knew it. I do not consider myself a Nam vet. I wasn't there, but I really care about and for those that were there and for me to use that title would, to me, be stolen valor.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2015 11:57 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:57:51 -0400

Vague question.

In general I say a Vet is a Vet is a Vet.....and yes even the ones kicked out the service they are still technically Vets.

They don't call folks who served in the 80s cold war vets so why call folks from the 60's (and early 70s) Vietnam Vets.

Unless you are trying to identify a time of service for a specific purpose...ie. service medal, benefits. agent orange exposure, seating at a function, etc....why would you delineate them as a separate entity.

This is kind of like identifying combat vs non-combat Vets.....who cares.....we all served....some drew the short straw and some the long one.....it does matter without all of us working together the mission would have and will fail.

Response by SGT Eric Dziekan made Aug 28 at 2015 12:16 PM

SGT Eric Dziekan — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:16:38 -0400

Like myself I'm Panama Operation Just Cause Veteran. Although I was still in service for the first Gulf War I never set boots on the ground. That doesn't mean I didn't try, it just wasn't in the cards for me. I never considered myself a Gulf War Veteran.

Response by CW4 John Karl T. made Aug 29 at 2015 4:00 AM

CW4 John Karl T. — Sat, 29 Aug 2015 04:00:30 -0400

If you served during the Viet Nam era, you are a veteran. If you served in Viet Nam and or the surrounding waters, then you are a Viet Nam vet.

Response by SGT Scott Bell made Aug 29 at 2015 3:59 PM

SGT Scott Bell — Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:59:59 -0400

Response by SP5 Joel McDargh made Sep 1 at 2015 4:31 PM

SP5 Joel McDargh — Tue, 01 Sep 2015 16:31:47 -0400

Sorry to all those who served, but not in Vietnam. Bottom line, to say an individual is a a Vietnam vet means he or she was in combat or exposed to it. Too many out there already stealing honor from those who were there on the front. I give credit to any man or woman who served during that time rather than run for the border, but to be a Vietnam vet you have to have been there. It is that simple.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2015 11:24 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 23:24:35 -0400

I see a lot of harsh, unwarranted criticism below. We have threads on RP about people who think their service is devalued because they didn't go to the Sandbox. Whether you went or not, you still get a ribbon, for being in when OEF/OIF was happening. Isn't it true that they signed the blank check, and just because it wasn't cashed, doesn't mean they didn't put it all on the line?

But I wouldn't want to hear someone state they were in the Iraq war, and then say they didn't actually go to Iraq. That's a little too much and we have enough exaggerations.

But some of us did volunteer to join the Army during 'Nam, and it wasn't to avoid the draft. I'm a Vietnam Era Veteran. That should be enough.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2015 11:27 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 23:27:05 -0400

Response by SSG Jeff Binkiewicz made Sep 4 at 2015 8:40 AM

SSG Jeff Binkiewicz — Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:40:35 -0400

The way I see it is a VET is a VET. Then when someone asks you can tell them whatever War you were in or when you served.

Response by SGT Fredrick Ramm made Sep 4 at 2015 10:24 AM

SGT Fredrick Ramm — Fri, 04 Sep 2015 10:24:07 -0400

I always try to clarify, that I am a Cold War/Vietnam Era Veteran; which alludes to mockery, in some, "Oh, you did the Elvis Presley Tour!"...now there seems to be a new title "Protected Veteran". All I know,is, I took the oath on 12 SEP 69 for active duty, expecting, a tour in Vietnam, but the winds of war sweep me up, and landed me in Then West Germany, for the "Watch Tower Tour"... protecting, in that cold tower, Our World (and for those who mock) from The Communist Boogeyman.

Response by PO2 Jeffrey Sheibels made Sep 4 at 2015 3:33 PM

PO2 Jeffrey Sheibels — Fri, 04 Sep 2015 15:33:40 -0400

Veterans are veterans regardless of when they served. I would only use that if I was talking about a specific veteran and wanted to make it clear as to when they served or about their age. For example...my CFO is a veitnam veteran. By mentioning that he is a veitnam veteran, you are able to get a sense of how old he is. . My grandfather is a WWII veteran. Again this gives you a sense of how old he is.

Response by Sgt William Coffee made Oct 8 at 2015 1:57 PM

Sgt William Coffee — Thu, 08 Oct 2015 13:57:59 -0400

There is a subtle difference. Vietnam era Vets are those who were in uniform but were never in country. Vietnam Vets are those of us who gave a year or more of our life to that nasty ass place.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2015 7:35 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Oct 2015 07:35:43 -0400

There are other posts on RP regarding civilians denigrating military service of those who did not go to a combat zone. Don't denigrate your OWN service. You wrote the check, but the military did not cash it. That's what Viet Nam Era vet means. That should be enough.

I did go to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kosovo. But I'm proud to be a Viet Nam Era vet too. I wrote the check over and over, never cashed.

Response by SPC Terry Martin made Oct 23 at 2015 8:13 AM

SPC Terry Martin — Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:13:51 -0400

No, I "fought" in the Cold War during the Era, but never went to Nam. We should Honor those who went there only as Vietnam Veterans.

Response by SSgt Mike Hogan made Nov 5 at 2015 11:19 AM

SSgt Mike Hogan — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:19:57 -0500

So are the "in country vets" saying that the airmen and sailors who never set foot in country are not "vietnam vets"? I think many of the POW's where airmen. Many flew into the airspace, but never faced direct fire.. same for those aboard ship who pounded the crap out of Vietnam but never put boots on the ground. I always make the distinction when asked if I'm a Vietnam Vet. "I am a Vietnam Vet but was never in country". That would be disrespectful to those who served in country to not make that distinction. I was at air bases in Southeast Asia that provided direct support to the aircraft that did the missions. Without this support, the bombs would have never made it to Vietnam. I am thankful to all of those who served in country. I was and am proud to know that I did my part to support those troops/airmen/sailors etc.. I think we're splitting hairs when we try to classify Vets as combat vs non-combat.

Response by CPT Jim Schwebach made Nov 5 at 2015 5:46 PM

CPT Jim Schwebach — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 17:46:05 -0500

I'm with all of those that stood for the term "veteran" for all of those who served during that or any other time. Some of those veterans served in Vietnam; they are Vietnam Vets. Others served here in the States, on all of the seven seas and on all of the continents; they are Cold War Vets. I consider it a privilege to be able to be able to refer to myself as both.

BTW, I'd bet that the troops in the lead photo aren't Vietnam Vets, yet. B model lift ships, M14's, slick steel pots, no jungle fatigues and the unique LBE point to the 11th Air Assault Division(Test) at Benning circa 1965.

Response by SGT Philip Roncari made Feb 3 at 2016 11:21 PM

SGT Philip Roncari — Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:21:35 -0500

The over 58000 brothers on the Wall know who are Vietnam Vets and we will never forget them!

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Feb 13 at 2016 7:49 AM

SFC Clark Adams — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 07:49:38 -0500

I always ask, were Soldiers stationed in the US during WWII, WWII veterans?

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Feb 13 at 2016 8:26 AM

Sgt Tom Cunnally — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:26:28 -0500

I think if you served during the Vietnam War (1961 - 1975 ) and did not go to Vietnam you should just be called a Veteran.

Response by SPC Rex Sr made Feb 25 at 2016 3:04 PM

SPC Rex Sr — Thu, 25 Feb 2016 15:04:43 -0500

That's like saying if you join the Airforce and didn't fly a jet or plane should you be called an Airman! I feel that a soldier who served during the Vietnam and was not over there shouldn't be called a Vietnam Vet, but I see nothing wrong calling them Vietnam-era Vets, They did support the branch of service they were in during that time.

Response by SPC Tom Glath made Mar 8 at 2016 11:46 PM

SPC Tom Glath — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 23:46:11 -0500

yes they did not run and suffered the same pain when processing thru airports and being spit on they did not choose their destination. to those who did serve in country a well belated welcome home but don't forget those who also served honorably when asked not like todays who probaley would not go when ask

Response by SSG Vince Sanchez made Mar 10 at 2016 2:52 PM

SSG Vince Sanchez — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:52:47 -0500

i dont mind being referred to as nam era, but never would i try to steal valor by claiming nam vet....big diff....i was sent to korea instead,

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 4:53 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:53:03 -0500

NO. Taking my cue from General Patton, who said, "...your grandson is sitting on your knee, and he asks you, 'What did you do in the Great War,' you won't have to say, 'Well, I shoveled shit in Louisiana.' Vietnam Vets fought IN the war or actively supported the war from the Tonkin Gulf, Guam, or Thailand, and perhaps a couple of other overseas bases. Someone who worked a supply desk at Ft. Bragg during his hitch did not and will never qualify to wear the VN service or campaign medals. He is not a Vietnam War Vet. And I make no apologies. And for the same reasons I am not a OIF or OEF veteran, Panama veteran, Bosnia veteran, or veteran any other military conflict around the globe since 1969.

IF you are authorized by the Department of Defense to wear the Viet Nam War Campaign and/or the Republic of Viet Nam War Service Medals, YOU are a bonafide Viet Nam War veteran. IF you cannot wear these medals, YOU ARE NOT A VIET NAM WAR VETERAN. You may be an “Vietnam era” veteran, but that is the verbal and written distinction between the two AS ESTABLISHED BY the Department of Defense AND the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Mar 11 at 2016 3:30 AM

Sgt Tom Cunnally — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 03:30:39 -0500

I like being called "The Ole Sarge" by all my friends & family...not too sure about being called a Vietnam Era Vet which my connote the wrong impression. My unit was sent to Vietnam & I didn't go. So that may be my reasons. I am NOT a Vietnam Veteran & don't like being called a Vietnam Era Veteran because during that era I had a job in CA & just watched this war on TV.. I could have shipped over for 4 more years & probably gone to Vietnam with 1st Radio CO FMF but instead went to work in the Aerospace Industry. All of my old friends in now 1st Radio Battalion who were in Vietnam have invited me to their annual reunions but I haven't gone. Just not comfortable being with some guys who were in heavy duty combat while I never saw a shot fired in anger & the only hand to hand fighting I saw was in the bars in Jacksonville NC.

Response by Sgt John Hearn made Mar 19 at 2016 2:44 PM

Sgt John Hearn — Sat, 19 Mar 2016 14:44:27 -0400

I tell people I served during the war but not in country. Where I served was not my choice. I know other vets that served during the war but not in Nam, and we have the same feeling of being second rate.

Response by MAJ David Vermillion made Apr 19 at 2016 9:18 PM

MAJ David Vermillion — Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:18:59 -0400

I don't feel I should be addressed as a Vietnam Veteran but I do like to be honored with them in some situations. I think all veterans are proud of the war they in.

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Jun 2 at 2016 2:09 PM

SSgt Boyd Welch — Thu, 02 Jun 2016 14:09:38 -0400

If you qualified for a Vietnam short or long service medal then in my mind you were a Vietnam Vet. For others like myself who served in Thailand during the Vietnam war and were TDY in country but returned to the base assigned on your orders, I would say no. Note*** personally I believe that anyone who was involved in actual combat operations during the War while in Vietnam even if not on orders has the right to call themselves a Vietnam Vet.

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Jul 17 at 2016 8:23 PM

1SG Billye Jackson — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:23:34 -0400

Pardon me but HELL NO!

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Jul 21 at 2016 5:50 PM

1SG Billye Jackson — Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:50:54 -0400

Sorry but Saying you are a Vietnam Era Vet is like Kids getting a Participation Trophy in Children's Sports.

Response by SFC Lee Tompkins made Aug 8 at 2016 3:10 PM

SFC Lee Tompkins — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 15:10:23 -0400

There are just as you state two, VN veteran and VN era verteran. and should be addressed that way. Also, don't forget the one covering both periods that of Cold War Veteran. Confusing isn't it ? I feel if a person served in an area where they got the VNCM then they are a VN vet.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2016 3:25 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 15:25:07 -0400

I suppose that would be like labeling me as a War on Terror Vet or whatever other way they want to put it. I'm a new Private and have yet to deploy anywhere. To be quite honest I'm not even sure how I feel about wearing the NDSM/Ribbon. I was told by Sergeants and Vets that I should be proud of it and accept it since I enlisted in a time of conflict but in my mind I haven't done anything.

Sept 2015 - Present.

Response by Sgt Steve Hayleck made Aug 23 at 2016 3:09 PM

Sgt Steve Hayleck — Tue, 23 Aug 2016 15:09:38 -0400

In January of this year (2016) the Vietnam Veterans of America "voted to refrain from use of “Vietnam era veteran” in favor of just “Vietnam veteran” or “Vietnam generation.” There is no usage of "Korean War Era Veteran" or "World War 2 Era Veteran" despite the fact that many Veterans from those conflicts were not in combat. I understand the sensitivity to using the term, but it is also another way to diminish the service of many of those who served during that period. Now everyone is a "hero."

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Sep 2 at 2016 7:01 AM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Fri, 02 Sep 2016 07:01:12 -0400

Only those that actually served in 'Nam should be.

Response by SGT Paul Mackay made Sep 13 at 2016 12:55 PM

SGT Paul Mackay — Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:55:15 -0400

yes

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Sep 15 at 2016 1:25 AM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Thu, 15 Sep 2016 01:25:30 -0400

No, a Viet Nam Veteran is a veteran who served physically in Viet Nam during the war. I was in the Military during the Persian Gulf war but never went anywhere in the combat area, I'm not a veteran of that war ! I did however serve in Viet Nam in 1968 and 1969 therefore I'm a veteran of that war only, no other !

Response by 1SG Charles Lyons made Sep 28 at 2016 7:32 AM

1SG Charles Lyons — Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:32:28 -0400

No ... If you didn't serve in the zone of operation, then it should NOT be implied you did! Thank you for your service!

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Sep 28 at 2016 6:34 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:34:49 -0400

A "Vietnam Era" Veteran is defined as any Veteran who served during the official time frame of the Vietnam War anywhere in the world as ... CLEARLY HERE IS MY definition AND THAT IS WHAT I THINK.

Response by Sgt Jim Rocks made Oct 4 at 2016 7:29 PM

Sgt Jim Rocks — Tue, 04 Oct 2016 19:29:57 -0400

Unless you served in Vietnam you are not a Vietnam vet.

Response by SFC George Smith made Oct 29 at 2016 9:10 PM

SFC George Smith — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:10:55 -0400

Nope... they were not in country... or theater...

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Oct 30 at 2016 11:59 AM

PVT Mark Brown — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:59:31 -0400

I have been a member of VVA for many years as well as the VFW. I don't know if US and Europe duty qualifies for membership in these group. I recently received a letter stating the new regulations now consider era vets as Vietnam vets. I spent my entire enlistment in Korea which is also hazardous duty pay and hostile fire pay in some areas of the country. But, here is something worth thinking about, Every man and woman in the military 1960 through 1975 was just as likely as not to end up in Vietnam. In my case, my first orders at the end of AIT at Ft Gordon directed me to serve in Vietnam which was just fine with me. BUT - Russia started screwing around in eastern Europe causing all of us to have our orders cancelled replaced by orders allowing for 30 day leave with advise that we would be contacted at our home or record with further orders. While at home orders did indeed arrive - Korea. Where is and what is Korea? When it came time to fill in my "dream sheet" near PCS time in Korea I choose 1) Vietnam, 2) Korea and 3) Korea and guess what - and the audience said KOREA (for2nd term.) My hope was to avoid US and Germany duty station. I liked the way serving in Korea was not even close to feeling like being in the Army - Sorry I diverge.

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Oct 30 at 2016 12:19 PM

PVT Mark Brown — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:19:25 -0400

Another point, we refer to folks that served 1941 thru 1945 as WWII vets and 1950 thru 1954 as Korean Vets now why should Vietnam be any different. There benefits and recognitions that require Vietnam vets to have served in-county or off the coast (in some cases - you Navy guys understand.) There so many blurred lines with-in and around the military lets not look for something else to blur!!

Response by SP5 Richard Maze made Nov 3 at 2016 12:43 PM

SP5 Richard Maze — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 12:43:41 -0400

I spent the end of the Vietnam War in Germany, winning the Cold War. I would never describe myself as a Vietnam veteran and try not to say Vietnam-era veteran unless there is a really good reason to mention it. To me, it would be disrespectful to a generation of true combat veterans.

Response by SSG Gerald King made Nov 3 at 2016 3:19 PM

SSG Gerald King — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 15:19:29 -0400

NO! I really get fed up with Vietnam era vets parading around as if they were in Vietnam. I served 31 months in-country and earned the title of Vietnam Vet. These wannabes did not. They are Cold-War Vets and there is no shame in that. Wear your Cold War Vet cap or shirt and be proud of your service. But, don't try to jump on my wagon. I have seen many of these guys wearing the Vietnam Era caps etc that do so because they know that most civilians do not know the difference between an Era Vet and one who was actually in-country and they want the admiration of people who do not know the difference.

Response by SSG Gerald King made Dec 1 at 2016 6:18 PM

SSG Gerald King — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:18:01 -0500

There is no such thing as a Vietnam Era Vet - Those that served during that time frame but were not in Vietnam are "Cold War Vets" and should be proud of that. There are "Cold War Vet" hats etc. that they can wear. I think many who served during this time frame want to be seen as Vietnam Vets so they wear the Vietnam Era hats etc. knowing that most civilians do not know the difference. I served from '65 to '75. 31 months in-country. I consider myself both a Vietnam Vet and a Cold War Vet.

Response by SPC Russell Andrews made Dec 13 at 2016 4:46 PM

SPC Russell Andrews — Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:46:12 -0500

I sat on live nukes during the Vietnam war in a different country. I volunteered. Your welcome !

Response by Cpl Dennis F. made Dec 18 at 2016 11:11 AM

Cpl Dennis F. — Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:11:23 -0500

No! We should be addressed as..."Your supreme awesomeness, Sir"..........OH.....you mean that?

Response by Cpl Lawrence Lavictoire made Dec 19 at 2016 9:25 AM

Cpl Lawrence Lavictoire — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:25:32 -0500

I served in country, PhuBai and I like just good old, "vet"!

Response by SPC Jamie Smith made Dec 22 at 2016 2:30 PM

SPC Jamie Smith — Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:30:35 -0500

It should be "Vietnam era vet". You don't necessarily have to have been in combat, but you should have been in country to be called a "Vietnam Vet"

Response by 1LT Vance Titus made Dec 29 at 2016 2:18 PM

1LT Vance Titus — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:18:42 -0500

No.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Feb 27 at 2017 6:03 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 18:03:22 -0500

No, a Veteran is in two classifications. Non-combat veteran and Combat Veteran theater of service makes the difference

Response by Io Biderman made Mar 13 at 2017 1:06 PM

Io Biderman — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:06:35 -0400

That's a wrong question because the devil is in details. It depends where we go with definitions and semantics. If it's about health care - it does not matter Vietnam Vet, Gulf Vet or Marine in Reserve because being in a military is already stressful enough, so everyone should get healthcare and loans at reasonable interest from the VA. If it's about particular job benefits - there is already a distinction in point preferences from lesser to greater if you served in a war zone. So, what's a hustle is about again?

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 16 at 2017 8:02 AM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 08:02:45 -0400

Not NO, HELL NO. That's like being airborne without jumping. An ERA vet is someone who was traumatized by watching Platoon.

Response by SSG Paul Forel made Mar 21 at 2017 10:13 PM

SSG Paul Forel — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:13:58 -0400

Too many people here are hung up on a self-serving conversation about whether or not combat veterans and those who did not serve in combat are 'equal'.

This is a waste of time and this conversation has no value. It's ego against ego, here, it seems.

What does have value is the age old military system of younger, less experienced military personnel learning from senior military personnel, in this case, combat veterans.

For those who feel they need to be referred to as equal to everyone else, keep in mind it is the combat experienced NCO's (for example) who are going to keep the cherries alive or at the least, do their best to instill awareness and 'tricks of the trade' in order to enter into combat and survive.

So instead of wondering if we are all equal, be glad that some of us are in a position to teach others how to enter the fight and given a little/lot of luck, come home after. Your son, nephew, daughter or wife may one day be called to take up arms. Be glad there are those who gone ahead and have come back with knowledge to share. After all, if you are a cherry and new in the combat zone, who are you going to link up with? Someone who is 'equal' or someone who can teach you how to stay ahead of the curve?

That's the only part of this dumbass conversation that has value.

Response by PO2 Saldor Swenson made Mar 31 at 2017 1:51 PM

PO2 Saldor Swenson — Fri, 31 Mar 2017 13:51:13 -0400

These are not official designations but the way I would classify them. BTW, I would or do consider myself a Vietnam Service Vet. Aircrew on P3 flying Market Time patrols out of Utapao, Thailand

In country - Vietnam Vet
In country, combat role - Vietnam Combat Vet
Vietnam Service Medal - Vietnam Service Vet
The rest - Vietnam Era Vet

Response by CPL James Ross made Mar 31 at 2017 6:40 PM

CPL James Ross — Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:40:40 -0400

NO ....... to do so is to show special attention to a single group. Is a Vietnam Veteran better than a WWII or a Korean Veteran ....... we all put our lives on the line, not just one group!

Response by Sgt George Lawrence made Mar 31 at 2017 7:20 PM

Sgt George Lawrence — Fri, 31 Mar 2017 19:20:41 -0400

In one word, "no". I served from December 1959 to October 1963 on active duty, then in the Reserves until December 1965. While I served in the Far East (including on station in the South China Sea and the Gulf of Tonkin as part of the Marine Corps force in ready (Battalion Landing Team) in response to a specific anticipated (but not certain) deployment into Laos, Thailand and South Vietnam, we never landed. Therefore while I certainly served during what is considered the Vietnam era, I did not serve "in country". I am not entitled to the "I was there" ribbons and medals, and am equally not qualified to be considered a "Vietnam veteran". Just my opinion.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2017 6:09 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 06:09:52 -0400

This year (2016) the VIETNAM WAR COMMEMORATION recognizing the 50th anniversary of the last U.S. Forces leaving Vietnam has confused the issue further. The commemoration ceremonies, events, the lapel pin, and everything is all to recognize both Vietnam and Vietnam Era Veterans. I have gone to a few of the events around here to cheer on my Vietnam Vet Brothers & Sisters, but have not participated myself as an "Era Vet" because I thought it was out of place. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Here's the link: http://www.vietnamwar50th.com/

50th Anniversary of the Vietnam War Commemoration | Vietnam War Commemoration

The Vietnam War Commemoration is conducted according to the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act to help honor and pay tribute to Vietnam Veterans and their families.

Response by Capt Robert Myers made Apr 13 at 2017 3:11 PM

Capt Robert Myers — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:11:06 -0400

I served from 1968-69 with 71-74 active. I did not serve in Vietnam and like so many was disparaged and harrassed for my service in the Marine Corps. I did what I was directed to do to support my brothers and sisters who were returning broken and battered. I am a proud Vietnam Era veteran.
Robert T. Myers, Captain, USMC.

Response by Cpl Maury Farinacci made Apr 20 at 2017 5:12 PM

Cpl Maury Farinacci — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:12:45 -0400

No, but honestly, it don't mean that much to me. I'm just glad my name's not engraved on a black granite wall.

Response by MSG James Hughs made Apr 20 at 2017 5:39 PM

MSG James Hughs — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:39:22 -0400

FIRST I am a Vietnam Vet....a TET Vet....15 years in Special Forces (Green Beret)....with my face in the mud and the blood.... it has always bothered me that we forget ONE thing.....WE ARE A TEAM....ALL of US.....I would not have survived five days if it were not for some truck driver somewhere hauling ammunition I needed to stay alive........ or some clerk sending my pay to my wife so I do not have that on my mind....HOW is my sweating in the jungles of Vietnam any different than the soldier freezing his butt in Korea..... WE ARE A TEAM....WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER.....separating Vietnam Vets .... denigrates others who did not directly serve
For me it is doing to the veteran what we have done to America..... you are dividing it with hyphens.....we have African -American..... Italian -Americans....Chinese -Americans.....German -Americans ....on and on and on and on.....WE ARE ALL AMERICANS...... each deserving respect....and WE ARE ALL VETERANS deserving respect

Response by SGM Tim Kinsella made May 2 at 2017 8:49 AM

SGM Tim Kinsella — Tue, 02 May 2017 08:49:00 -0400

I was discharged in June of 66 from the 4th Inf Division as they were preparing for deployment to Viet Nam. I had many friends who were deployed and respect the sacrifices they made. I also served in the reserves during this time. During reserve weekends we were instructed to NOT wear our uniforms to drill but to change into them after arrival at the reserve center. Some guys went as far as letting their hair grow and then wearing a short haired wig to distance themselves from their obligations. I am going to regret saying this but, I am really tired hearing about how the poor Viet Nam vets were treated when they returned with very little being said about the treatment of the Vietnam Nam Era vets during this time. It was 50 years ago and time to move on.

Response by Capt Edward Hannan made May 5 at 2017 7:56 AM

Capt Edward Hannan — Fri, 05 May 2017 07:56:29 -0400

No! someone who served during the Viet Nam fiasco without going "in Country" is no more a "Viet Nam vet" than someone who was in the Army in Alabama on 6 June 1944 is a "D Day vet". Most vets around here will carefully specify "Viet Nam era vet" even in their obituaries.

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made May 8 at 2017 12:20 AM

MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan — Mon, 08 May 2017 00:20:00 -0400

While I was in the AF during the Vietnam War I was never in country....therefore I am not a veteran of the war and should not be referred to as a "Vietnam vet". However, I do feel that all of us who served up until Nov 1989 should be referred to as "Cold War Veteran".

Response by SPC James Zaremba made May 8 at 2017 8:12 PM

SPC James Zaremba — Mon, 08 May 2017 20:12:23 -0400

Now you Vietnam Era Vets that want to be Vietnam Vets so bad did you have any of these cute little pets to play with where you were stationed at or maybe had to deal with one of these guys, like in the last picture. Sorry to anyone I might have offended, I don't like to post pictures like this. I just was upset with people who want credit for something they don't deserve. Again I'm sorry.

Response by MSG Mitch Stewart made May 10 at 2017 8:14 AM

MSG Mitch Stewart — Wed, 10 May 2017 08:14:00 -0400

If Vietnam Vets are only those who actually served in Vietnam versus Vietnam Era Vets why are there not Korea War and WWII Era Vets?

Response by CPT Carl Conge made May 18 at 2017 3:38 PM

CPT Carl Conge — Thu, 18 May 2017 15:38:50 -0400

A Vietnam Veteran is someone who served in Vietnam. As I understand it, that includes a number of personnel who never set foot in the ground (think those who flew missions overhead in direct support of the war ... folks like that). If you weren't over there, and you served during the time of the Vietnam War, then you are a Vietnam-era veteran. Personally, I've never exaggerated what I did, and don't understand why some people feel the need to do that. I joined during the war, wrote that blank check, and am GLAD that I didn't have to go. My Brother wasn't so lucky. I retired from the military, am proud of my service, but my service isn't who I am. It's just one of the many hats that I have worn over the years. To my fellow brothers and sisters who served - thank you.

Response by CPT Carl Conge made May 18 at 2017 5:33 PM

CPT Carl Conge — Thu, 18 May 2017 17:33:10 -0400

Maybe this will help ...

http://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2009/07/28/the-definition-of-a-vietnam-era-veteran/

The Definition of a Vietnam Era Veteran | Archives | Veterans Today

A "Vietnam Era" Veteran is defined as any Veteran who served during the official time frame of the Vietnam War anywhere in the world as defined by Congress and the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Response by CW5 Randall Hirsch made May 19 at 2017 8:44 PM

CW5 Randall Hirsch — Fri, 19 May 2017 20:44:30 -0400

No, if they were not in country they should not be called Vietnam Vets, Vietnam ERA yes.

Response by SSG Vince Sanchez made Aug 17 at 2017 5:39 PM

SSG Vince Sanchez — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:39:56 -0400

I received a letter from senator John horn and Gary peters to receive my Vietnam war service pin with letter for the war. I was never in country, served in Korea 74-76. I asked my relatives & friends (all nam combat vets) how they felt about this. They all told me I deserved the pin just like them. I disagree, I thought I would receive the nam era pin (no such thing). However I did get the nam era benefits which paid for my college. I was told by my cousin I better wear that pin in my vest just like my other medals I wear for the patriot guards at vets funerals. I didn't get sent to nam, but I still supported the war just by volunteering to join up and thought I would get to go (little did I know combat troops were being pulled out at that time!) still, my personal opinion no! We are not Vietnam war veterans! We are Vietnam era veterans, nothing more then that. Its like me saying in a Korean war veteran, in not (complete different medal) I am Korean defense service veteran (dmz) when we had that area. Also deferment medal. If your in country for the required time, then you earn the title! Jo.

Response by SSG Vince Sanchez made Aug 17 at 2017 5:41 PM

SSG Vince Sanchez — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:41:50 -0400

Negative!

Response by SP5 Michael Walter made Aug 18 at 2017 12:48 AM

SP5 Michael Walter — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 00:48:01 -0400

No way...we that went (2tours) put our asses on the line..a soldier at home didnt...period
Was there such a thing as a WW2 "era" vet? Or a Korean "era" vet?...no way.
Dont attach yourself to something you had no part in...
Otherwise, everyone in uniform is a " combat" vet...a "war" vet...inclunig the homebased company clerk

Response by Dennis Aubuchon made Aug 18 at 2017 2:59 PM

Dennis Aubuchon — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 14:59:26 -0400

It should not make a difference whether you are a vietnam vet or not you are still a veteran and should be referred to as such.

Response by SGT Fredrick Ramm made Aug 29 at 2017 9:53 PM

SGT Fredrick Ramm — Tue, 29 Aug 2017 21:53:16 -0400

I always correct my status as: Vietnam Era Vet
I was a 3 year RA in 12 Sep 69...I volunteered for 11E (Armor Crewman; which I took mucho crap over)....I enlisted (at 18) because of Vietnam, but didn't get sent there...Yes, I didn't miss any thing! Instead, The Elvis Tour or The Watch Tower Tour, Really "The Silent Sentinel" My main mission after becoming a staff weenie for The 1/35 Armor: Dealing with the day to day fall out from Vietnam (Moratorium Day, Fish Hook Demonstrations, Sky High AWOLs, drugs, plus not to mention those mulitude of atitude problems)...like it or not, that was my war. If any one, doesn't believe me, try reading The Fighting Pattons...George S. Patton IV almost resigned his commission over the conditions in my unit (The 4th Armored Division)... I was only a 19 year old E-5; what was I to do, but to Soldier On. Funny, I've been trying to tell that to my VA shrink.

Response by SCPO Ysmael Ramos made Aug 29 at 2017 10:45 PM

SCPO Ysmael Ramos — Tue, 29 Aug 2017 22:45:28 -0400

I received my draft notice when eighteen. Back then the draft card was your one way ticket to your funeral. I took the physical and was 1A for sure I was going been its was the hype of the war at that time. So I decided to go Navy. Served 24 months from 1968-1972. Yes we are Viet-Nam Vets, spit on, and called whatever, and we are Chapter 32.

Response by SCPO Ysmael Ramos made Aug 29 at 2017 10:49 PM

SCPO Ysmael Ramos — Tue, 29 Aug 2017 22:49:47 -0400

If you earned the Viet Nam ribbon like their flag you are a Viet Nam veteran. If you served and earned the gidunk medal National Defense during the Viet Nam era you are a Viet Nam era veteran. Who cares you served and thanks for your service no matter at what capacity.

Response by SGT James Murphy made Sep 8 at 2017 11:55 AM

SGT James Murphy — Fri, 08 Sep 2017 11:55:15 -0400

NO! I'm a era VET! I never served in VietNam I don't need the confusion! I served during that period in time at many other posts but not Viet Nam....

Response by David Pugh made Sep 14 at 2017 11:40 PM

David Pugh — Thu, 14 Sep 2017 23:40:12 -0400

I have an Uncle (Royce) who served in Vietnam and was exposed to Agent Orange. He saw things that one could never imagine but did his duty and was a great soldier. I have great respect for him. He is still living. He had no choice but to go to Vietnam though. The Army wanted him in Vietnam so he went. He has spoken very little about his time there with me but his Son says that he lost many friends.

My father also served in the Army and in 1966 at the time when young men were being shipped home in boxes by the dozens every day, and while knowing he could very well be sent straight to Vietnam and killed, he answered the call of his country. He trained as a Field Radio Repair Mech in the Signal Corp. and also was sent to Fort Bragg and Qualified Expert with the M16 and did in fact have orders to go to Vietnam but a week before he was supppsed to go his orders were changed and he was sent to Germany. By an amazing coincidence my Uncle Stewart (who passed away a few years before Dad) was drafted and was also sent straight to Germany. My father was extremely lucky because he went over there and that is where he stayed while a few of his buddies would go to Germany, only later to still end up going to Vietnam. The few guys he remembered, didnt make it.

My Dad always called himself a Vietnam Era Vet and made sure I knew the distinction. In the end it was out of his control just as it was out of my Uncle Stewart's control and my Uncle Royce's. Does that make him any less a hero? Not in my eyes. Not one bit. He never was in that mess called Vietnam, but he was every bit a hero in my eyes. He was also treated just as badly as those that did serve in Vietnam and just like them he deserved respect but never got it. He never even got a "Thanks for your service" that I remember. Those in the Armed forces that answered the call during that time deserve the same respect in my eyes. Do soldiers that saw combat deserve recognition? Of course they do! They get it all the time these days. Those that were ready and willing to lay down their lives, but were instead assigned somewhere else deserve the same respect IMO.

Response by SGT David Petree made Sep 16 at 2017 12:55 AM

SGT David Petree — Sat, 16 Sep 2017 00:55:20 -0400

I make it a point to id as ERA !!! I to got orders that took me to Germany In 1972 .

Response by SP5 Larry Morris made Sep 23 at 2017 1:43 PM

SP5 Larry Morris — Sat, 23 Sep 2017 13:43:03 -0400

i was in VIET NAM and I could care less 65-67

Response by TSgt Charles Marsala made Sep 23 at 2017 6:45 PM

TSgt Charles Marsala — Sat, 23 Sep 2017 18:45:35 -0400

No, they didn't go thru all the crap we did by being in country and they're not going thru all the health issues some of us are experiencing from being exposed to Agent Orange!

Response by LTC John Bush made Sep 24 at 2017 4:26 PM

LTC John Bush — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 16:26:16 -0400

personally have had a problem with this ad declaring everyone a "ERA" vet diminished what people in country went through not to mention actual people that engaged the enemy. The decision was politics but I do not too excited about it just one more thing and I am alive and well which is more than i expected

Response by PFC John SP4 Spurrell made Sep 25 at 2017 7:07 AM

PFC John SP4 Spurrell — Mon, 25 Sep 2017 07:07:17 -0400

I never thought so, as my bother an his friends were dying there!

Response by SFC Bill Snyder made Sep 25 at 2017 3:39 PM

SFC Bill Snyder — Mon, 25 Sep 2017 15:39:33 -0400

NO, absolutely NO. If they didn't have boots on the ground, they aren't Vietnam Vets. They are Cold
War Warriors. Navy and some AF in Laos/Thailand have there own criteria. But Army and Marines NO Boots, no Vet.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Oct 8 at 2017 11:16 AM

LTC John Griscom — Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:16:16 -0400

The term should only apply to those who had boots on the ground in country.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Nov 9 at 2017 11:04 AM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 11:04:35 -0500

NO, if you didn't jump out of the plane you aren't AIRBORNE, If you didn't get a wound you shouldn't have a Purple Heart, if you weren't in country, you weren't. Korea needs to be addressed separately

Response by Sgt William Curtis made Nov 9 at 2017 4:04 PM

Sgt William Curtis — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 16:04:14 -0500

I flew over Vietnam was on the ground in Saigon, spent my tour in Ubon, Thailand, but never got a ribbon, missed the cutoff. Am I a n era or a vet ?

Response by SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter made Nov 20 at 2017 12:04 PM

SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:04:01 -0500

I asked a friend of mine that served in Vietnam 68-69 that very same question. His respond to me that he preferred to be addressed as a Vietnam era Veteran. His reasoning was that he want people to be more conscious of that war time because he said they were treated really bad after returning home. He said after returning at the airport a group of folks were yelling and screaming at him and some other guys. Until one of the guys responded back I was drafted and don't be freaking made at us be mad at your Politicians for making it a mess.

Peace!

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2017 8:11 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:11:17 -0500

I would rather be dead than called a piss ant vietnam era veteran. Tell that to those who served in Thailand who are called vietnam era veterans the same as those stationed stateside who lived in homes with their families in a 8- 5 job , weekends off, hot showers ,meals, etc, etc, classified exactly the very same. Ask those who left Danang for the jungles of Thailand and ask them if those that served in Thailand are nothing but pissant era veterans.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2017 8:19 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:19:56 -0500

Call those that served in Thailand just a Vietnam era veteran the same as those who served stateside and lived at home eating with their families, eating hot meals , taking hot showers and sleeping in beds every night. And yet they are both called Vietnam Era vets. Ask the Marines who left Danang and moved to the jungles of namphong Thailand or other bases there. Does someone who signed up to fight in Vietnam and not get the chance have to feel belittled stigmitized the rest of his life. Maybe some have committed suicide over this. No one buys a Vietnam era hat or shirt . Give me a break

Response by TSgt Clayton Bigbesys made Nov 20 at 2017 10:25 PM

TSgt Clayton Bigbesys — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:25:42 -0500

I SERVED IN THE AIR FORCE 66-70 DID NOT GET ORDERS TO NAM STAYED STATE SIDE AND HAD 18YEAS IN THE NATIONAL GAURD..THE NAM VETS MAKE ME FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS MILITARY MAN. JUST BECAUSE THEY WENT TO NAM THEY WERE NOT COMBAT VETS

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Nov 21 at 2017 2:07 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:07:36 -0500

I personally don't feel that's necessary. Veteran says it all for me!

Response by SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter made Nov 21 at 2017 9:31 PM

SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:31:41 -0500

Did any of you read the article in stars and stripes in regards to a VA study shows parasites from Vietnam may be killing Veterans that served there.

I suggest anyone that served in country there read this.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parasite-from-vietnam-may-be-killing-vets/

Peace!

Slow-killing parasite from Vietnam may be killing veterans, VA study says

Test results show some men may have been infected while fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Nov 23 at 2017 9:46 AM

CW5 Jack Cardwell — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:46:02 -0500

It's easy your a vet...

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2017 4:49 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 16:49:31 -0500

Simply "veteran" will do for most of us.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Nov 27 at 2017 4:36 PM

LtCol Robert Quinter — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 16:36:47 -0500

I've got no problem just being called a Vet; an honorable group of people, however, the Vietnam tag is necessary in some states because they gave a bonus (I think it was $25 a month in Pennsylvania) to those who served in country. The VA uses it to designate those Vets who may have accrued other benefits such as agent orange, liver flukes, malaria, and lead poisoning that weren't generally found in other theaters at the time.

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made Nov 27 at 2017 7:05 PM

PO1 William Van Syckle — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 19:05:03 -0500

In accordance with 38 U.SC. And Public Law 104-275, there is NO Vietnam Veterans. Everybody that served during the time frame are in fact, VIETNAM ERA VETERANS. Please read the laws and codes.

Veterans’ Benefits Improvement Act of 1996, Public Law (P.L.) 104-275, Section 505, enacted October 9, 1996. REFERENCES: Title 38, U.S.C., Chapter 1, Section 101 (29) and Chapters 41 & 42, Sections 4101, 4211 and 4212.

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Nov 28 at 2017 6:56 AM

CW5 Jack Cardwell — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 06:56:46 -0500

I also was in service during the Vietnam era but did not go to Vietnam. Just found this:
https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2009/07/28/the-definition-of-a-vietnam-era-veteran/

The Definition of a Vietnam Era Veteran | Archives | Veterans Today

A "Vietnam Era" Veteran is defined as any Veteran who served during the official time frame of the Vietnam War anywhere in the world as defined by Congress and the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Response by SPC Craig Jefferies made Nov 29 at 2017 1:23 AM

SPC Craig Jefferies — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 01:23:13 -0500

I am a Vietnam era Veteran stationed in Germany. I've never used a single benefit, but curious if I get the same benefits as a Soldier who served in Vietnam?

Response by PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith made Nov 29 at 2017 1:30 AM

PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 01:30:44 -0500

As a non-combat vet, wouldn't vet and combat vet work? Regardless of the era, we all served and we either saw combat, or we didn't.

Response by PV2 Ronald Hollinger made Nov 30 at 2017 2:38 PM

PV2 Ronald Hollinger — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:38:29 -0500

I served during the Vietnam War and never deployed. Trained 11B10 1973 Fort Polk La. wanting to go . But found Germany instead , proud to know we had y’all s back if SHTF . Never have claimed it , I just served

Response by SP5 Larry Morris made Dec 1 at 2017 5:30 PM

SP5 Larry Morris — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 17:30:33 -0500

was there and who really cares they need to get a life

Response by Cpl Joseph Zach made Dec 2 at 2017 3:44 AM

Cpl Joseph Zach — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 03:44:17 -0500

mixed emotions and conflicting thoughts. I have two family members on The Wall. I didn't go there at all. In boot Camp, [graduation] everyone received the Fire Watch Ribbon, some sort of a Defense Medal. when Saigon fell 29-30 April 1975 [or 1976?], that National Defense stopped being issued. so everyone had it during the Vietnam time period.

however, the Vietnam veterans , for the most part, consider only actually Being There as being a "Vietnam Veteran". However as for me, there WAS a Cold War going on from about 1949 until 1990-something. plenty of men died during that so called "Cold" War. plenty of mini-events not noticed or recognized at all in fact. [then there other 'actions' for which 'Expeditionary Medals" were issued for].
plus the fact that for every combat deployed Marine/Soldier had [I forget the exact number but ..] , maybe 9 or 10, maybe even 12 'servicemen' in the rear as 'support troops', is hugely unique to Vietnam. maybe of all troops over there, about one quarter, MAYBE, got involved in actual combat. so even all these years later, it is still pretty darn difficult to give a straight up answer to the question. [and likewise still is one very contentious issue to even bring up at all]. other than by a strict yes-no answer with as [I am forgetting the word I want to use here, sorry] backing up such an answer.

hate to say it, because it is said way too many for my own comfort, but it IS a ;
'complicated' issue. with no clear cut answer that I am comfortable with. so .... that's all I have

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Dec 2 at 2017 1:18 PM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 13:18:05 -0500

Most Decidedly Vietnam Veterans should be addressed as Vietnam Vets; in my humble opinion. Vietnam Vets: I COULD NOT HONOR YOU MORE HIGHLY, NOR COULD I LOVE YOU MORE DEARLY: FOR YOUR BEYOND COMPARE SACRIFICE AND FOR YOUR SERVICE THAT WAS INFINITE. CARRY ON, PLEASE VIETNAM VETS, AS THE BY FAR BRIGHTEST STARS IN THE HEAVENS- Most Respectfully and Most Lovingly, Margaret C. Higgins U.S. Army Retired: Photographer

Response by MSgt Thomas Smith made Dec 3 at 2017 12:04 PM

MSgt Thomas Smith — Sun, 03 Dec 2017 12:04:47 -0500

No! I served from 1973 to 1979 in the us Air force with 2 years total in Okinawa japan. I consider myself a Vietnam-era vet. My step-brother was in the army and killed in Vietnam 1969.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Dec 3 at 2017 1:35 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sun, 03 Dec 2017 13:35:46 -0500

I served from 73 till 95 active. My Nam Vet brothers consider me for the most part as one of them. I go to the meeting and participate, but I also identify myself as an "Era" Vet". Tho I also lost 3 cousins in SVN in 68.

Response by LCpl Dale Ohler Sr. made Dec 20 at 2017 9:46 PM

LCpl Dale Ohler Sr. — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:46:03 -0500

I agree that I am not a Vietnam Vet because I did not serve in Country but as I am given the Title of Vietnam Era Veteran am I considered a protected Veteran because I served during the war in Vietnam. What's your thoughts?

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Jan 1 at 2018 4:01 PM

Capt Tom Brown — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 16:01:19 -0500

What was the general consensus on this question??

Response by MAJ Alan Montgomery made Jan 1 at 2018 9:57 PM

MAJ Alan Montgomery — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 21:57:44 -0500

I spent my time in Nam with the 1st ID in the Iron Triangle and Michelin Plantation. Seen it all, some up close and all of it personal. Guess for some that makes me a Vet. Spent time with the 25th Inf, 5th SF, 1st AD, and even the 82d ABC guess that makes me a Vet. Spent three years staring down Czech Armor waiting for a political misstep that never came that too makes me a vet. So I guess I'm a VET but I prefer SOLDIER or Patriot. I talk to soldiers who served in Germany during the Viet Nam era and many act apologetic for never having stared down an AK; is that the measure of a Veteran? These men and women are every bit the VET as the rest of us are. They served and that, in my book, that makes them VETS. Civilians know nothing about being a veteran, about stepping up when your country needs you, being willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING for a principal. For them to label me a VETERAN is an insult. Those of us who served, and serve, in harm's way we know who we are. We don't need to be labeled: I don't need to be labeled, I know who I am. If you have to call me something - call me a PATRIOT, call me a SOLDIER: don't disgrace my Flag, my president, my congress, my Constitution, and my National Anthem: respect my laws, my borders, my fellow citizens and those struggling to become citizens. When my country called, in its hour of need, I, and thousands like me, came forth and the fact that coming forth might get us killed never entered into the equation. If our serving meant we came home carried on our shield covered by our battle flag, it was a small price to pay for those our sacrifice protected. Call me a soldier and the next time I come home, a little respect for my service would be nice.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jan 2 at 2018 10:45 AM

LTC John Griscom — Tue, 02 Jan 2018 10:45:04 -0500

If you have been awarded the Vietnam Campaign Medal, you are a Vietnam Vet.

Response by CDR Russ Harris made Jan 4 at 2018 10:34 PM

CDR Russ Harris — Thu, 04 Jan 2018 22:34:30 -0500

It's pretty simple, Vietnam Vets wear the campaign ribbon, Vietnam-era Vets the NDSM. I joined in 1972 with every intention of Vietnam. Went to Korea instead. I qualify as a VFW's because of Korea, not Vietnam! Go figure!! To the general public, I served during the Vietnam War; to Vietnam Vets, I seem to have given a measure while they gave a "full" measure. I'm good with that! To those of us who served, all gave some, some gave all!! A volunteer war time Veteran deserves everyone's thanks --- I too was spit at, called a "baby Killer" and disrespected from 1972-1975 whenever in uniform... but I can't call my self a "Vietnam Veteran", but I can say I served during the Vietnam War, in Korea, during Kosovo, Cold War, and during the War on Terror === And proud to have done it! My choice! I don't need to wear a hat (although I have been given some), medals (16 to date), or be a guest speaker for a politician's dog and pony show. I do, talk to kids and share my patriotism and great love for this country... and to me that's enough, just to try to pass on a legacy of volunteer service to this Greatest of Country's. Granted there are some who deserve and should be singled out for their "extraordinary" service, ie. POW's, & combat casualties... but when we continually bicker about who gave "more" or "less", it just starts to demean the reason and purpose for which we ALL served! God bless America!!

Response by SP5 Rick Whiters made Jan 12 at 2018 12:09 PM

SP5 Rick Whiters — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:09:35 -0500

I was drafted in 1970 and was sent to Europe. I DO NOT belief that I should be classified as a Vietnam Veteran. Give those who served in harms way that honor.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Jan 12 at 2018 12:41 PM

SGT Dave Tracy — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:41:46 -0500

If they served in the Vietnam theater, yes.

If they kept a watchful eye on the Fulda Gap to prevent the Soviets and their friends from going on a little European walk-about or stood ready in case North Korea was eyeing southern territory or wherever else American military personnel trained for wherever Uncle Sam would need them; while their service may have been more important than history has given credit for, no, "era" vets couldn't really be classified as Vietnam Vets. But their status of "cold warriors" should not be diminished in the slightest.

Response by WO1 Cpthardrock . made Jan 22 at 2018 6:41 AM

WO1 Cpthardrock . — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:41:25 -0500

Hell NO! You don't get that right to proclaim you were a Vietnam Veteran unless you were there in that HELL HOLE!!! If you were in Vietnam as a Combat Veteran, that is another degree of a Vietnam Veteran.........

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jan 25 at 2018 7:45 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Thu, 25 Jan 2018 19:45:22 -0500

I'm an Era Vet- tons of friends who are SVN vets, they recognize me as part of them- but I always introduce myself when asked as an Era Vet.

Response by CW5 John M. made Feb 1 at 2018 12:17 AM

CW5 John M. — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 00:17:38 -0500

I may have written on this in another forum somewhere in RP, but it probably won’t hurt to repeat my thoughts here. If so, my apology. Here’s my take: The NDSM is an award delineated by specific time periods of conflict. If a service member served during that time period, they are awarded that medal. Essentially, the time period in which the medal was awarded should generally establish the “era”. There is a set number of years that defined the Vietnam conflict. Where the NDSM is awarded during that time frame, the serviceman is deemed a Veteran of that era, ie, Vietnam Era Vet.

If the service member was awarded a Vietnam Service Medal, or one of the “in country” medals (PH, as an example), received combat pay, or ostensibly “set foot” in country or it’s territory, shows military orders, or DD214 service in Vietnam, I would think it be sufficient documentation or proof of Vietnam Vet status. I would think the vast majority of questions and doubts would be solved by adhering to these guides.

I suppose someone could “conjure” up exceptions that might bring doubts, such as: Making an unplanned emergency landing into Vietnam territory and getting injured/fighting the enemy, or being injured or killed by an enemy agent back in the States or elsewhere, etc. (This IS actually an issue in the GWOT). However, these instances would be exceptional for Vietnam, which was essentially Regional in nature, but may be much more plausible for our World Wars and for the War on Terror.

Hence, a service member could qualify both as a Vietnam Vet AND a Vietnam Era Vet - as well as a “Cold War Vet” at the same time. Have I missed anything?

Response by SGT Adalberto Calderon-de Jesus made Feb 2 at 2018 6:37 PM

SGT Adalberto Calderon-de Jesus — Fri, 02 Feb 2018 18:37:16 -0500

Many entered voluntarily because they wanted to go and represent our nation and emulate their parents but they were not sent and I do not think that they are taking away the honor to anybody since many obtained the honor fighting in the territory of Vietnam but others obtained it by being prepared to go and did not have that said, some call it luck and others call it misfortune because they wanted to go and did not have that opportunity to make it real.

Response by SPC David Miller made Feb 7 at 2018 9:39 PM

SPC David Miller — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 21:39:53 -0500

My short answer is "no".

My long answer is, I recently visited a county veteran's office to acquire assistance in receiving a property tax discount. After that was completed the gentleman in charge (a veteran, retired) gave me some declaration from Obama, some stickers, and a pin that says "Vietnam Veteran".

I served from 72-74, right at the end of the war. I was stationed in Korea, never saw Vietnam. When I protested that I didn't serve in Vietnam he said, "But you could have." I didn't want to be rude, so I took the stuff. My thinking is, I played the Lottery once and I could have been a millionaire, but I'm not. Just like I'm not a Vietnam Veteran. I don't even like the term Vietnam era Veteran because it sounds like someone is trying to latch onto the accolades that only those who truly were in country deserve.

I'm thinking about giving the pin to my brother who was in Da Nang, and hope he wears it proudly. I don't deserve it, nor do I desire it. I didn't do what it says. If anything, I'm a Korean war veteran, since the war has not ended, I served in Korea, and even fired a weapon a few times (on the range). I wonder how that would go over?

I'm satisfied calling myself a US Army veteran. There's nothing to be ashamed of, going by that title.

Response by MSG Charles Turner made Feb 8 at 2018 3:45 PM

MSG Charles Turner — Thu, 08 Feb 2018 15:45:09 -0500

I think that there is a difference btwn Vietnam Vets and myself a Vietname ERA Vet. They experience something I am glad I did NOT have to experience AND I DONT WANT ANYONE TO THINK I DID!

Response by Cpl Rick Rabenold made Feb 8 at 2018 9:03 PM

Cpl Rick Rabenold — Thu, 08 Feb 2018 21:03:57 -0500

We are all military veterans and I am proud of all our Brothers and Sisters service to our Country. To be a Vietnam Veteran one must have been to Vietnam during the war period if not then one is a military veteran. If in conversation and military service is noted almost always immediate questions arise such as branch, when, where, with what unit thus laying out scenario for discussion, if desired, which I do when seeing Viet Vet covers, shirts, etc....Proud to be a Vietnam Veteran Marine

Response by SPC Russell T. Andrews made Feb 11 at 2018 9:56 AM

SPC Russell T. Andrews — Sun, 11 Feb 2018 09:56:57 -0500

I'm sure glad the ''Greatest Generation'' did not question veterans valor and commitment like the idiot that started this thread.. Imagine if you will, the generation of WWII coming home and complaining about how they were treated or being questioned about their service to their country. Would America have become as great as it is. This question , ''Should Vietnam-era Vets be addressed as "Vietnam Vets"?'' has only proven to be divisive among Veterans.

Response by SPC Gene Raffin made Feb 15 at 2018 12:07 PM

SPC Gene Raffin — Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:07:19 -0500

I was drafted in September 1961 for Laos, Cambodia Thiland, Vietnam hostilities. I served for two years but they never sent us anywhere. Am I a Vietnam Vet???? NO I AM NOT BUT!!!!! I am an ERA Vet. Why can't they call us ERA VETS??? Please tell me I feel like a red headed step chils

Response by MSgt Paul Sykes made Feb 24 at 2018 11:01 AM

MSgt Paul Sykes — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:01:38 -0500

When I read some of the posts concerning this topic, I am, to be quite honest, not only disappointed but shocked! I have never seen so much disrespect toward other members of the Armed Forced by fellow members in my entire life! Okay, so YOU "served IN Vietnam"! What do you want, a medal!? Give me a break! You deserve NO SPECIAL RECOGNITION over any OTHER member of the Armed Forces who do NOT service "in country"! WE ALL SERVED! Where do YOU get off thinking YOU are someone "special" OR one that deserves some special designation. I don't care if you served IN country or any where else throughout the world during the Vietnam conflict, we are ALL "Vietnam ERA veterans"! Get over YOUR ego --- and get over your DISRESPECT for ALL those that served during this time that might not have served "in country"! Most, if not ALL, did NOT have a choice of their assignments! Did YOU? No, I didn't think so! How about showing some respect, not only for ALL who served, but for YOURSELF. You are NOT someone who is MORE special than anyone else! You may not like it---but that is a FACT! Get over it! And how about showing some RESPECT for your fellow soldiers, sailors, and airmen and stop crying how YOU should be something that you are NOT! Enough of this bickering and self-identification ego trip!.... and STOP calling yourself a "Vietnam Vet" because you feel you are "special"; you are a "Vietnam ERA Veteran" whether you like it of not.... I don't care what the "VA" or other agencies designate for individuals! YOUR Government says that ALL who were in service during that period of time are ERA vets. There is NO OTHER "special" designation for those of you that feel you deserve to be treated differently. Have some respect for EVERYONE who served! (I see that some of these comments come from senior officers; to read their comments are the MOST disturbing of all since their leadership abilities are truly lacking at this point! Yes, LACKING! Have some respect for your rank---and for others too. You have to EARN it... It is NOT feely given!)

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Feb 24 at 2018 12:48 PM

SSG Ralph Watkins — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:48:02 -0500

My local VA started it's first PTSD group therapy. Most of us were OIF & OEF types. One guy wearing a Vietnam-era Vet hate was there. We didn't pay attention to the "era" portion until he started talking about his issues. The DI yelled at me. My boots were too tight. The food made me sick. WTF? The rest of were there to talk about combat related issues. We asked him where he was stationed. He was a supply clerk & spent 2 years in Germany. He insisted he was in during Vietnam & that made him a combat vet. He ended up hogging the group so much, the rest of us vowed never to come back. That was the end of the PTSD group. The doctor running the group thought all of us OIF & OEF types were pricks. Yes, yes were are.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Feb 24 at 2018 1:07 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:07:59 -0500

No, they didn't go so why insult them, and make them feel like crap?

Response by COL Jon Lopey made Feb 26 at 2018 1:54 PM

COL Jon Lopey — Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:54:10 -0500

Johnny: A very important and interesting topic. I am one of those "Viet Nam Era" veterans. I went in to the USMC on my 18th birthday in 1972. I am proud to be called a "Viet Nam Era Veteran" because at a time when our nation was being pulled apart and at a time when the military was under attack as the war was coming to a close, I greatly admired the fine officers, NCOs, and enlisted men and women who volunteered to serve when it wasn't very popular to so do. We trained to fight in Viet Nam and I had one guy that went in my class. When I go to veteran events and Viet Nam veterans are asked to stand, I usually do not do so unless "Era" is added to the phrase. I served overseas in support of Viet Nam (Philippines) before it ended but I don't consider myself a "Viet Nam" veteran. You have a lot to be proud of because Germany was an important assignment because we were afraid the Soviets would attack across the Fulda Gap. Although I was in combat later when I got into the Army, I admire any serviceman or woman who served, regardless of where and regardless of what kind of medals they earned. They served - We all served and we were all willing to give our lives for our nation and service component - Regardless of where we were sent. I have three National Defense Service Medals (w/2 stars) and although many called it a "Fire Watch Ribbon" because all active duty members received it during 'Nam, I am proud of it because when some people were protesting the war and blaming the brave men and women in uniform for political and media miscues, all during that era served just as faithfully and just as well as any other era in our history. Most of us wanted to serve because our fathers or grandfathers (or mothers) served. Whether we were Viet Nam (in-country vets) or Viet Nam Era vets, we were part of the team and we did what we could during a challenging time in our nation's history. Outstanding question and topic! Thanks for serving, Johnny! Semper Fi, Jon

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Mar 3 at 2018 10:00 AM

SPC Brian Mason — Sat, 03 Mar 2018 10:00:44 -0500

All are Veterans.
In my experience, I have yet to be corrected or informed by anyone that they HAVE to be addressed as such. The ones I have net or see have the black Vietnam Veteran hat with whatever awards they have on them. They might even have a shirt, jacket, vest or combination.
While they don't crave it, I'm sure they appreciate thanks and recognition when they get it.

Response by LTC Wayne Dandridge made Mar 20 at 2018 5:01 PM

LTC Wayne Dandridge — Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:01:59 -0400

I prefer to be called Larry. The best way for a citizen to recognize a veteran is to act like an honest, ethical, moral, kind, compassionate, drug and alcohol free, and empathetic person. Show us veterans you appreciate what we worked and fought for was worth it and we vets will all be very happy! Best regards, W. Larry Dandridge (Ex-Enlisted Infantry, Aviation Warrant Officer, and Commissioned Officer)

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Mar 20 at 2018 6:44 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:44:45 -0400

I'm a Vietnam Era vet, but I was never assigned to or credited with service in Southeast Asia. I generally consider myself to be a Cold War Vet. I think it would cheapen the sacrifice and service of those who served in Vietnam and Southeast Asia to lump them in with those of us who weren't required to serve there. I have greatest respect for those who served "in country" and the 58K who gave all.

Response by SP5 Michael Udell made Mar 22 at 2018 6:07 PM

SP5 Michael Udell — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 18:07:35 -0400

I think you should all stop your sniveling.

Response by CPT Ronald Scherick made Mar 24 at 2018 12:35 AM

CPT Ronald Scherick — Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:35:39 -0400

I enlisted during the Vietnam Nam war and would have proudly gone if asked to so I am proud to be included in the Vietnam Nam era vet category. I think the title of Vietnam Nam veteran should be reserved for those who actually served in country.
I served in an Army medical detachment and treated many returning Vietnam nam vets so I am familiar with what they went through both in combat unit and rear area support units and feel they deserve the respect due them with the title of Vietnam veteran

Response by 1SG Russell S. made Mar 27 at 2018 9:55 PM

1SG Russell S. — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:55:50 -0400

My opinion, no. To me you need a campaign or other "been there" medal or ribbon to take the title of "Vietnam Vet".

Response by Capt Seavy Barefoot made Mar 27 at 2018 10:20 PM

Capt Seavy Barefoot — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 22:20:46 -0400

I believe the Vietnam Medal is for service in Country. I served before the war was ended, but did not have to go in country. It is the respect paid to those who did find themselves there.

Response by Capt Seavy Barefoot made Mar 27 at 2018 10:53 PM

Capt Seavy Barefoot — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 22:53:42 -0400

If you served but not in country in my opinion you are not a Vietnam Vet. On the other hand , Most of the missions I flew in the Special Ops Community during my service will never be brought to light. I flew them just the same.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Mar 27 at 2018 11:28 PM

LTC Stephen C. — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 23:28:17 -0400

MSgt David Hoffman, here are the results of SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD’s question, that he posed on February 27, 2015. Thought you might like to see the results.

Response by Sgt Dan Williams made Mar 29 at 2018 3:47 PM

Sgt Dan Williams — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:47:53 -0400

Iserved from 70 to 74 and was fortunated enough not to be sent in county did suffer Agent Orange exposure but i dont think i have the right to be considered a Viet Nam Vet bit am a Viet Nam Era vet and there is a distinction in my mind even though by luck of the draw i did not go to Viet Nam but all who served possibly could have been sent.
I served in Okinawa for 18 months and was thier in direct support of our aircrat and those on the ground but did not suffer the hardships or threat of loss of life like my brave brothers in arms. That being said to leave thise out of being honored in some way on this day is forgetting the bigger picture

Response by Cpl Gary Ellis made Apr 19 at 2018 12:29 PM

Cpl Gary Ellis — Thu, 19 Apr 2018 12:29:54 -0400

I agree.with you i served from 73 to 74 in Japan not in country(vietnam) an i am a vietnam era veteran.

Response by MSgt Wayne Owens made Apr 19 at 2018 6:46 PM

MSgt Wayne Owens — Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:46:48 -0400

I was on active duty from Nov 60-Dec 86. I never served in Vietnam. I am not a VIETNAM VET. I , therefore cannot go to VFW when asked by some of my Vietnam Vet friends.

Response by MSgt Wayne Owens made Apr 26 at 2018 4:32 PM

MSgt Wayne Owens — Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:32:28 -0400

No, but I can buy a hat that says such. Although I served in Air Evacuation and assisted in the movement of Vietnam wounded to various stateside military or VA hospitals, I could not call myself a Vietnma vet, I didn't volunteer, no one asked: just got forgotten or lucky.

Response by SSgt Edward Iwanski made Apr 26 at 2018 6:30 PM

SSgt Edward Iwanski — Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:30:29 -0400

Response by SSgt Phillip Williams made May 10 at 2018 11:33 PM

SSgt Phillip Williams — Thu, 10 May 2018 23:33:26 -0400

I believe that most roles of the Viet Nam Era vets were in support of the ones who were actually there and support for that mission I do not feel that i as an era vet should ever be be allowed that honor to be considered a Vietnam war veteran! Its honor to just be able to say I supported them!

Response by SFC James Welch made May 11 at 2018 6:23 PM

SFC James Welch — Fri, 11 May 2018 18:23:12 -0400

My personal opinion is that you had to have boots on the ground other than Airforce or Navy. I spent 13 years in Germany including during the Vietnam War. Had I not been sent to Vietnam from there I would never have been a Vietnam Veteran. I don’t see that the designation of Vietnam Era Veteran attempts to imply actual Vietnam Service!

Response by CH (LTC) Robert Leroe made May 12 at 2018 10:25 AM

CH (LTC) Robert Leroe — Sat, 12 May 2018 10:25:12 -0400

No, and I'm one. I was asked to attend and pray at a VFW event recently honoring Vietnam-era vets and I reluctantly agreed. I think the thanks ought to go only to those who deployed. I eventually served in war (Desert Storm) but I do not want any honor for simply being in the military during the Vietnam war. I didn't suffer...they did.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2018 2:48 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 May 2018 14:48:50 -0400

I was in the National Guard for 6 years during the Vietnam war from 69-75. people say I am a vet, but I don't think so. I was not there. What are your thoughts?

Response by April Dean made May 28 at 2018 1:25 PM

April Dean — Mon, 28 May 2018 13:25:01 -0400

I agree with you. If you did not serve in the country of Vietnam than you are not a Vietnam Vet
but, a military vet. My Uncle has 2 Purple Hearts that he got in Vietnam.

Response by TSgt Gary McPherson made May 31 at 2018 7:31 PM

TSgt Gary McPherson — Thu, 31 May 2018 19:31:24 -0400

I feel there are 2 Viet Nam vets.One is Combat vets(In country) and those who served during the Nam era but not in country..

Response by PO2 Lenny Crean made Jun 5 at 2018 7:33 PM

PO2 Lenny Crean — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 19:33:10 -0400

Yes I was on a Destroyer Tender MR-2 which serviced the war from PI , Taiwan and Japan ports (Deployed 3 times)

Response by SFC William Farrell made Jul 2 at 2018 11:13 PM

SFC William Farrell — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 23:13:30 -0400

This is an old post that I just came across due to the new picture posting thing that RP is advertising SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD. CPT Jack Durish summed it up well as he always does. My twin brother and I quit HS on our 17th birthday and joined the Army along with our cousin who was a few months older. My brother and I served in Vietnam while my cousin served in Germany. My cousin served in German and was discharged with a general discharge for drub abuse and we believe he died of AIDS from IV drug use about 20 years later. He is buried in Calverton National Cemetery on Long Island, NY and his headstone reads. Vietnam. He did not serve in Vietnam and it irritates both my brother and I that it reads that way. Its just not right.

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Jul 3 at 2018 2:21 PM

MSG Stan Hutchison — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 14:21:42 -0400

I completely respect any person that served in the uniform of our nation. My wife is an "Era" Veteran. Many of her classmates in commo school went directly from Ft Gordon to Vietnam, including some WACs (female soldiers).
What should those that were not sent be called? I really don't care as long as it is with a capitol V for Veteran.
However, on the other hand I recognize the difference between Vietnam Vet and Vietnam Era Vet.

Bottom line; Call yourself whatever you wish, but please don't "inflate" your service. You dishonor your service if you do. (also, most of us who did go can usually ferret out a pretender.)

Response by PO3 Linda Munn- Violante made Jul 26 at 2018 5:55 PM

PO3 Linda Munn- Violante — Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:55:58 -0400

If you were in Vietnam Nam you are a Vietnam Veteran. If you were in service during the date of the conflict you are a Vietnam Era Veteran. I am proud to be a Vietnam Era Veteran . I served my country as a Hospital Corpsman at the Philadelphia Naval Hospital. A large population of the wounded were patients in that hospital from the injuries in Vietnam. So very young, as I was at that time. God Bless the Vietnam Veteran.

Response by PO3 Linda Munn- Violante made Jul 26 at 2018 6:16 PM

PO3 Linda Munn- Violante — Thu, 26 Jul 2018 18:16:32 -0400

The one thing that is important with being a Veteran from whatever conflict or war. None of you were Draft Dodgers. Thanks to all who have served in whatever job you had. As for when we served during the Vietnam Conflict, we are the older generation now. Give it another few decades we will all be gone and no one else will really care where we served.

Response by Sgt Bob Mazzola Sr. made Aug 2 at 2018 2:16 PM

Sgt Bob Mazzola Sr. — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 14:16:01 -0400

I am an Air Force vet from 68-72 was assigned to !st Mobile Communications Group out of the PI. our TDY assignments were everywhere Korea Loas Thailand Cambodia and all over Viet Nam.. we got assigned we didn't chose so i didn't go in country so i am not a Viet Nam Vet.... I am a Viet Nam Era Vet and damn proud of it and only thru the grace of God did i not have to go where i lost a lot of friends and people i knew.. I volunteered for the Air Force during the war and the govt controlled where i went and what i did and i did them in support of all my brothers and sisters... and gave up four years of my life.. We all gave some..Some gave all...FILO(first in last out)

Response by CPL Phil Spelt, PhD made Aug 10 at 2018 3:02 PM

CPL Phil Spelt, PhD — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:02:26 -0400

I served in the tropics from 1969 to 1962, never saw 'Nam, never saw combat. NO, I am NOT a "Vietnam vet". I am a Vietnam ERA vet, and that is different!!!

Response by MSgt George Rumbaugh made Aug 10 at 2018 7:15 PM

MSgt George Rumbaugh — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 19:15:34 -0400

I've read most of these posts and see there is some controversy about those who served in the theater, ie Thailand, being recognized as Vietnam Vets. One group of veterans seem to be left out; those who served on Yankee Station in the Gulf of Tonkin. I've read the Navy regs and believe many of those sailors and marines were awarded the Vietnam Service & Campaign medals. Vietnam Vets or not?

Response by PO3 William Propsner made Aug 19 at 2018 9:46 AM

PO3 William Propsner — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:46:28 -0400

I served 1971-1977. I volunteered for fast boats in VN when the Navy was needing people for fast boats. Five times i volunteered, never picked. I stayed stateside, Pensacola, Jax and N.O. I proudly served and would do it again. One thing i don't get. If you served during WW2 or Korea, you were called a Veteran if those wars. If you stayed stateside during WW2 or Korea, you were a WW2 or Korea veteran, not an 'era' veteran. Now along comes Viet Nam and if you served anywhere other than 'in country' you are an 'ERA' veteran. In my opinion there is no difference. Just like WW2 or Korea, you are still a veteran , not an era veteran. I have never seen a 'WW2 Veteran Era' cap or a Korean War Veteran Era' cap. To me, ANY one who served during any conflict is a veteran, not an 'era' veteran. We who served stateside or anywhere had to make sacrifices just like anyone who served 'in country'. Yes, we just weren't being shot at. But we were still holding the fort. So as not to get some 'in country veteran' feelings hurt, i'll wear my Viet Nam 'Era' cap.

Response by PO3 William Propsner made Aug 19 at 2018 10:00 AM

PO3 William Propsner — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 10:00:26 -0400

Just to add a point to my earlier post. I will never tell anyone or claim that i served IN Viet Nam. I served stateside. And i have great respect to those who did go to VN. But, to say that i am a Viet Nam Era veteran and not a Viet Nam veteran is in my humble opinion, ludicrous. To be fair, it's like a slap in the face to those of us who served during the Viet Nam War not to be a 'Viet Nam Veteran'.
You served in Germany 'during' the Viet Nam conflict you should still be called a Viet Nam vet.
You served at Ft Ord 'during' the Viet Nam conflict you should still be called a 'Viet Nam Vet'.
And yes, you served IN Viet Nam 'during' the Viet Nam conflict you are a Viet Nam Vet.
Okay, you served for just ONE year in Viet Nam and the rest of your short career in Ft Hood are you a 'Viet Nam Maybe Vet'?

Response by CPT Stanley Kober made Aug 19 at 2018 3:52 PM

CPT Stanley Kober — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 15:52:40 -0400

IMO, as a Vietnam in-country vet, those who were not in country should be called "Vietnam Era Vets".

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Aug 19 at 2018 6:00 PM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:00:54 -0400

I see a difference in being a veteran and being a veteran of a foreign war. Those that served in Europe and not Vietnam are veterans still but not Veterans of a Foreign War.

Response by CPT George Ruzicka made Aug 20 at 2018 2:27 AM

CPT George Ruzicka — Mon, 20 Aug 2018 02:27:47 -0400

My two college classmates were Air Force vets stationed inThailand during the Vietnam war. While neither ever had boots on the ground they both flew on unarmed C-47's over Vietnam almost daily gathering intel. I consider both to be Vietnam vets as they were exposed to enemy fire just as we on the ground were.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Aug 20 at 2018 9:35 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:35:00 -0400

Should WW2 Era Vets be address as WW2 Vets?

Response by Sgt Erle Mutz made Aug 20 at 2018 1:01 PM

Sgt Erle Mutz — Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:01:30 -0400

NO - they are NOT Vietnam Vets because they have not served in the war (in country) (directly or indirectly) BUT served "during" the time when the Vietnam war took place, at a totally different base or service location.

Response by SrA John Monette made Aug 20 at 2018 3:12 PM

SrA John Monette — Mon, 20 Aug 2018 15:12:40 -0400

I agree. I served from 1988-1992 during Desert Shield/Desert Storm. I did not go to the Middle East. I was in North Dakota. Am I a veteran of Desert Storm? I say no. I believe the same goes for those who were not sent to the theater of operations, whether it was Korea, Vietnam, or any other area. If I call myself a Desert Storm veteran, it detracts from those who were actually there.

Response by SP5 Kermit Johnson made Sep 10 at 2018 5:24 PM

SP5 Kermit Johnson — Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:24:25 -0400

HE'LL YES, IT TAKES A TEAM AND THE TROOPS THAT WERE ANYWHERE OTHER THAN VETNAM WERE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS ANY OTHERS IN GETTING THE JOB DONE....NUF SAID

Response by SGT Lewis Ray Rains made Sep 12 at 2018 4:03 PM

SGT Lewis Ray Rains — Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:03:31 -0400

I served during the"ERA" 02/1965 THROUGH 02/ 1968, ACTIVE DUTY, THEN, 3 MORE YEARS INACTIVE RESERVE, ENDING IN 1971, I WAS HONERABLY DISCHARGED.
I AM NOT A VIETNAM VETERAN, ALTHOUGH SOME SAY DIFFERENT. I DID NOT SERVE IN COUNTRY. I AM NOT CONSIDERED A COMBAT VETERAN EITHER, AS I NEVER SAW ANY ACTUAL COMBAT! I WAS RAISED AN ARMY BRAT, HIGH SCHOOL ROTC & ENLISTED, SWORE IN BY MY FATHER.
I AM AN ERA VETERAN, PERIOD. I WILL NEVE CLAM OTHERWISE. TO MUCH RESPECT FOR REAL COMBAT VETS!!!!!

Response by SrA Jerry Davey made Oct 7 at 2018 12:02 PM

SrA Jerry Davey — Sun, 07 Oct 2018 12:02:31 -0400

I got as far as Enland 1974- 1976. I don't consider myself as a Vietnam Veteran. After getting out I felt different than before I enlisted. I didn't miss an episode of Combat seeing Vic Morrow week to week. And proud to wear my Combat shirt. I was gung ho. Well when I got out things started changing in me. I couldn't watch war movies, sometimes just the subject would set me off. I started going to PRRC a program that helps with mental and addiction. This has helped me alot. Before the program I didn't even feel like a veteran. Talking with other veterans they told me I'm suffering from all things survivor's guilt. I don't understand I guess deep down inside I felt like I was partying while other veterans were suffing in Vietnam. I do with help from PRRC and other veterans support feel I'm a proud veteran and Vietnam-era veteran.

Response by SSgt Steve Rimi made Oct 11 at 2018 9:36 AM

SSgt Steve Rimi — Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:36:53 -0400

I was USAF during Vietnam, but did not make the trip over, so I have NEVER called myself a Vietnam Vet. I give the credit to the guys who were in the theater of operations. (I was in Georgia and Alaska for the end of the era.) I have a Vietnam Era hat that was a gift, partly to myself. I am glad to wear it. When a guy comes up and says, "Where were you over there?" I always point out the "ERA" on the hat.
Now something that I do take exception to is when someone says, "Oh." As if I did not count at all. As someone said, we were all in, subject to someone else's decision to go to Vietnam. I have had bona fide Vietnam vets give me a little of the bum's rush when they know I wasn't there. (One guy called me a "late bloomer." How intelligent.) Be proud, if you served over in a fight people will never stop arguing about. But I am proud of the eight years I spent in the service, as well. Sorry if that is not good enough for you. (Not really.)

Response by SGT Lewis Ray Rains made Oct 11 at 2018 10:09 AM

SGT Lewis Ray Rains — Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:09:10 -0400

I agree, totally!!! However, I don't think that it's an issue if the comment is said in passing. Why try to explain something they probably won't understand anyway. If its another Vet, that is a totally different situation. Stop, talk, visit, etc.!

Response by SPC Raymond Donald made Oct 15 at 2018 9:43 PM

SPC Raymond Donald — Mon, 15 Oct 2018 21:43:03 -0400

Yes I was there in Viet-nam war

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Oct 27 at 2018 9:52 PM

Cpl Bernard Bates — Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:52:10 -0400

A veteran is a veteran no matter where he or she served. We go where we are told to go. The old adage was you don't volunteer for anything but if told to go you go. I and a group of 75 men 2 officers Co. was a 1st lt. were sent to Vietnam as the 205th Ord Plt. (Ammo) in july of 65. The Army had no Ammo Ord, Units in Vietnam ad we were part of the first big buildup. we were taken to an empty hilly open area and set up an Ammo Dump. at Ankhe mainly for the 1st Cav . Div. We were outside the inner perimeter but inside the outer perimeter. so our security wasn't as good as in the base camp. We were in the logistics command because we were supplying Ammo of all types. Many nights we would get MG. fire into our bivouac area and the Parachute flares would light up the area. once we had the Ammo dump blown up. I spent the night in a foxhole waiting for an attack that didn't come. People asked me if I was in combat, I don't know what to say. I never saw the VC. but someone was using us for target practice. Some of the rounds came very close. Semper Fi.

Response by MSgt Willie Stovall made Oct 30 at 2018 6:31 PM

MSgt Willie Stovall — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 18:31:08 -0400

I am a 23 year retiree from the Air Force. Most of it while the Vietnam War was going on. The closest I got to the country was Clark Air Base and a 101 day 45 minutes TDY to Gaum. We sent radars and Forward Air Controllers into country all the time. I never got that call. I have never called my self a Vietnam Vet. Ever. I feel Those who pushed paper, or any other number of job in support of the action in Vietnam are NOT Vietnam Vets. Yes, I was called baby killer, and harassed when going threw airports on the west coast. That's no reason the be awarded the Ribbon. By the same thinking, All those who served during the Korean War, are called Korean War vets. Or World War II Vets if they were serving during that time. To me, I don't feel I should have the destination of wearing the Vietnam Vet tag. I greet those I know who served in country with, "Welcome home Sir/ Mam, Welcome. Home."

Response by SPC Glen Rodgerson made Oct 30 at 2018 6:35 PM

SPC Glen Rodgerson — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 18:35:14 -0400

No, not in my opinion if not in actual country and involved.

Response by 1st Lt Salvatore-Sam DiMarco made Nov 6 at 2018 2:18 AM

1st Lt Salvatore-Sam DiMarco — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 02:18:02 -0500

Yes. We are already discriminated against with the VFW. Now we can't wear anything that says Vietnam Vet? We served and we sacrificed. If we were told to go; we would've. But we were needed here to support those who went.

Response by Lt Col John Culley made Nov 18 at 2018 11:52 AM

Lt Col John Culley — Sun, 18 Nov 2018 11:52:19 -0500

Both Vietnam and Vietnam Era veterans ultimately contributed to America's victory in the Cold War for which we all got a certificate. Vietnam era veterans provided political muscle to see that the agent Orange issue was resolved in favor of Vietnam veterans. They also ensured that problems at the Veterans' administration were brought to the attention of journalist Jon Stewart who described them on his Daily Show in segments entitled The Red Tape Diaries, A Bureaucracy of Dunces, The Inexcusables and V.A. Men: Delays of Future Past. Vietnam Era Veterans kept up pressure that opened the giant new VA hospital in Denver despite the problems described in an August 9, 2015 Denver Post article entitled Anatomy of a Calamity.

Response by SPC Michael Ohl made Nov 29 at 2018 7:10 PM

SPC Michael Ohl — Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:10:16 -0500

I had orders to Vietnam twice, once in 1971 and again in 1972. But I did not have to go. The first time orders came down I was diverted right back to my duty station. There was a cutback of troops being sent there. The second time I was getting ready for my leave before reporting to Vietnam and was given a 4 month early out making me to short to go. I do not tell anyone I was a Vietnam Veteran, only that I served during the conflict. I was stationed at a transit depot where troops were sent before their flight to Nam and where returning troops came through. I only needed to look into the eyes of returnees to know where they were stationed.

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made Nov 29 at 2018 9:22 PM

MSG Danny Mathers — Thu, 29 Nov 2018 21:22:18 -0500

I believe those fine Soldiers that did not serve in Vietnam should be called Cold War Veterans which there still was a potential war against the Soviets and the North Koreans. I served in Germany in the mid seventies and had nothing against a fellow Soldier that served else where. There was the feeling that a war could happen at any moment while serving in FRG. It was alway in the back of your mind.

Response by MSG Frederick Otero made Nov 30 at 2018 10:51 AM

MSG Frederick Otero — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 10:51:10 -0500

Veteran. Nuff said.

Response by LTC Gary Earls made Nov 30 at 2018 11:10 AM

LTC Gary Earls — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:10:36 -0500

There should be a distinction between the two groups. Yes, we lost people in other areas of the world and I believe that the Cold War Medal should be recognized by the Congress so some recognition for the folks who served elsewhere. Most people don't realize that we had troops serving elsewhere other than Vietnam.

Response by Lt Col John Culley made Nov 30 at 2018 12:10 PM

Lt Col John Culley — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:10:55 -0500

Federal statutes distinguish in-country Vietnam veterans from other Vietnam era veterans when they discuss periods of eligibility. The Vietnam Veterans of America initially followed the Veterans of Foreign Wars criteria and made this distinction but later joined the AMVETS and American Legion in discarding this distinction so they could increase their membership.

Response by SGT Mark Estes made Nov 30 at 2018 12:13 PM

SGT Mark Estes — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:13:25 -0500

Wow!!!!!!

Response by SSgt C Craig made Dec 3 at 2018 8:42 PM

SSgt C Craig — Mon, 03 Dec 2018 20:42:13 -0500

I also know several vet that died over there. They would have gladly traded places with any who wish to claim the title. Don’t forget vets in Thailand. Some where even tdy. But still there. Agent orange used there well into 75 after being banned in nam. See Chico report exposing use there.

Response by Cpl Dalton Jones made Dec 6 at 2018 11:45 AM

Cpl Dalton Jones — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:45:17 -0500

odd how no one mentions how Vietnam era and Vietnam vets were spat on just the same. By the country we raised our hand and swore to give all, up to and including our lives. Civilians didn't ask if you were in country.

Response by CPL Scott Schultz made Feb 4 at 2019 12:29 PM

CPL Scott Schultz — Mon, 04 Feb 2019 12:29:29 -0500

I inspected C rations stateside during the Vietnam war but just as easily been sent to Vietnam to inspect them at destination. I was stationed in Madison Wisconsin where all the anti war demonstrations including the bombing of the rotc building was going on. There was a short period when we weren’t allowed to wear our Military uniforms to work for fear of being confronted by ant-war demonstrators. While I will never call myself a Vietnam Vet, I support all my vet friends and proudly call myself a Vietnam era vet as I felt I was fighting a battle of my own just because I was in the Army during those trying times.

Response by SPC Ray Shanahan made Feb 17 at 2019 3:56 PM

SPC Ray Shanahan — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 15:56:49 -0500

I also served in the Army in Germany being discharged in April 1965. I was offered Helicopter school before being discharged and could have ended up there.

Response by PO2 Lenny Crean made Feb 17 at 2019 8:44 PM

PO2 Lenny Crean — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 20:44:27 -0500

I think that anyone who serviced ship near the war zone should at least get the Vietnam service medal but not the combat medal.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2019 10:27 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Feb 2019 22:27:43 -0500

Why don't they have WWII Era Vets?

Response by PFC Ronald Kuhaneck made Feb 22 at 2019 11:57 AM

PFC Ronald Kuhaneck — Fri, 22 Feb 2019 11:57:48 -0500

Don,t know ?

Response by SP5 George J. Delgado made Mar 24 at 2019 6:39 PM

SP5 George J. Delgado — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 18:39:01 -0400

My twin brother had three tours in Vietnam. He was in the Navy, but was placed in a Marine unit which received a unit citation for gallantry. He was messed up, but he is fine now. I crossed the Pacific Ocean on a three ship troop movement to Vietnam. Mostly 101st Airborne troops going to Vietnam, we were Air Defense Troops and were dropped off in Korea. Not a good place in 1965-1966. Vietnam vets are the brothers who were there. I wasn't there, but could have been, but I can't claim to have suffered what they went through. I had trouble getting a job because Vietnam Vets were selected first. I can't fault that, except I still have dreams where we were spat on at the Seattle airport where we landed in 1966. We can't get many benefits because we were not disabled(my ears got blown out firing my M-14 rifle in basic(put in two claims, both were denied). We were not issued hearing protection. We tried cigarette butts, but they did not help much. I still am upset about that. But, who am I? Oh yeah, I'm just an Vietnam-Era Vet. Spec 5, E-5 George J. Delgado

Response by PV2 Jimmie Ray Hill Sr made Apr 2 at 2019 1:05 PM

PV2 Jimmie Ray Hill Sr — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:05:49 -0400

YES

Response by SPC Kimberley Young made May 27 at 2019 5:14 PM

SPC Kimberley Young — Mon, 27 May 2019 17:14:05 -0400

I was in basic in 1974 and I know we boarded a plane three times headed to Vietnam and got cancelled and than our president decided we did not have to go even thou we were ready to be there with our brothers but did get a lot of crap for being in the service than in about 2001 someone decided that I am a Vietnam era vet and to me it hurts because I was totally ready to go and could not and I know I was u able to be with you all it just saddened me I'm proud to be a vet and very proud of all who went to serve and especially thou's who did not come home thank you for letting me vent I'm marked with era but in my heart I'm a Vietnam vet thanks and God bless you

Response by Sgt Lee Smith made Jun 2 at 2019 9:35 PM

Sgt Lee Smith — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 21:35:55 -0400

It seems so ridiculous that veterans are fighting each other over this issue of who is and not a Vietnam Veteran. The fact is, some "in country" assignments were not dangerous at all. I can sight a few places in South Vietnam that were more like summer resorts. And we all know this to be true! This is where the "boots on the ground" in South Vietnam theory, is too broad-a-brush to paint everybody's actual experience. It seems apparent to me that this really became a major issue when the government was attempting to avoid paying for treatment to veterans who were exposed to agent orange. From a purely logical point of view, I submit that a Vietnam Veteran, is any veteran who's mission was in direct support of the Vietnam war, whether from the air, the sea, or any participating bases, which includes Thailand, Cambodia, and Laos. There are personnel who died as a result of unclassified missions in some of these places. There are veterans who have died from exposure to agent orange. Moreover, there are those who continue to slowly die from the tragic illnesses of agent orange. How about a little soul searching! Did these horrific illnesses come as a result of the Vietnam War? If the answer is in the affirmative, then you would have to agree that the afore statements makes these individuals Vietnam Veterans.
Peace to All!

Response by FN Harrell Morlan made Jun 9 at 2019 7:49 PM

FN Harrell Morlan — Sun, 09 Jun 2019 19:49:42 -0400

This is from the VA website: How do I know if I served under an eligible wartime period?

Under current law, we recognize the following wartime periods to decide eligibility for VA pension benefits:

Mexican Border period (May 9, 1916, to April 5, 1917, for Veterans who served in Mexico, on its borders, or in adjacent waters)
World War I (April 6, 1917, to November 11, 1918)
World War II (December 7, 1941, to December 31, 1946)
Korean conflict (June 27, 1950, to January 31, 1955)
Vietnam War era (February 28, 1961, to May 7, 1975, for Veterans who served in the Republic of Vietnam during that period. August 5, 1964, to May 7, 1975, for Veterans who served outside the Republic of Vietnam.)
Gulf War (August 2, 1990, through a future date to be set by law or presidential proclamation)

Response by SSG Byron Howard Sr made Jun 15 at 2019 2:22 AM

SSG Byron Howard Sr — Sat, 15 Jun 2019 02:22:57 -0400

I am a Vietnam era vet.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jun 15 at 2019 7:56 AM

LTC John Griscom — Sat, 15 Jun 2019 07:56:52 -0400

The Vietnam Service Medal is a determining factor,

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Jun 15 at 2019 9:47 AM

PVT Mark Zehner — Sat, 15 Jun 2019 09:47:32 -0400

Simply no. I know several people that served in Korea in the 80's and 90's that refer to themselves as Korean War Veterans which they're not. Serving in war time is far different than serving in a war. Just my opinion

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Jul 10 at 2019 5:51 PM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Wed, 10 Jul 2019 17:51:04 -0400

I think those that went are due the distinction.

Response by SGT Steve McFarland made Jul 30 at 2019 8:23 AM

SGT Steve McFarland — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:23:05 -0400

I am a Vietnam-era Veteran ('74-'77), but I never left the CONUS.

Response by SGT James Murphy made Jul 30 at 2019 12:20 PM

SGT James Murphy — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:20:08 -0400

I never served in Vietnam. Damn Close but not IN Vietnam. I am Not a Vietnam "Vet", I'm could be called a Vietnam Era Vet but I'm Not Comfortable with that as i think it can be confusing.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jul 30 at 2019 12:30 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:30:26 -0400

There are many references to various era’s, the one constant is service. Your example, Germany Vs. Vietnam-Nam during the same period. One was a deployment the other was not. In every decade since there has been one type of deployment or another while many simply served on one or more of the many bases around the globe. No one contribution is less than another, particularly in an era of volunteer service-one is either in a unit that deployed or not.

Having said all of this, we will never convince any o e group to address us appropriately according to our own circumstance, as opposed to what they remember the most, that would be the deployment or war of that period. Right, maybe not, wrong maybe not. It simply is what it is. I thank you all for your service.

Response by CPL Dave Hoover made Jul 30 at 2019 3:39 PM

CPL Dave Hoover — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:39:36 -0400

No. I had two brothers service during Vietnam. One in the Army, died of Agent Orange, he is a Vietnam Veteran. One in the Air Force, did not go to Vietnam, he is a Veteran, never called himself a Vietnam Veteran, just Veteran ( with pride). He would take kindly be being called one. SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made Jul 30 at 2019 5:08 PM

SPC Robert Bobo — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:08:45 -0400

I'm Vietnam era, but never served in Vietnam, being on alert to deploy multiple times dosen't count, I don't want to be called a Vietnam Vet as I didn't earn that designation

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made Jul 30 at 2019 8:04 PM

SP5 Dennis Loberger — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 20:04:38 -0400

The Vietnam War is the only war where that distinction has been made. I had 5 uncles serve during WWII. 2 of the 5 never served overseas. All were considered WWII veterans. I was a guardian for a Korean War vet on his honor flight. The closest he got to Korea was Alaska. He is still considered a Korean War veteran. As a draftee, I had no input on what I did or where I did it. Originally I was supposed to go to Vietnam but it was changed to Japan. I make a point of saying I am a Vietnam era veteran so there is no confusion about where I served. It has always struck me as ironic that those of the veteran community who were treated the worst coming home continue to be treated differently than previous generations.

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Jul 31 at 2019 10:03 AM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:03:13 -0400

We should not have any differences - as each situation has its unique challenges! As a soldier, you don't get to clarify your challenge: we get paid in essence to serve and defend!

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Jul 31 at 2019 10:41 AM

CPT Larry Hudson — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:41:43 -0400

All veterans should be recognized. Only time combat and non-combat would be recognized is on records. We were and are fellow brothers in arms, under oath and inseperable

Response by SPC Terry Martin made Aug 1 at 2019 2:44 AM

SPC Terry Martin — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 02:44:20 -0400

No, I always make clear that I am a Vietnam ERA Vet. Those who served there are Vietnam Vets.

Response by PFC Garion Hines made Aug 1 at 2019 2:57 PM

PFC Garion Hines — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 14:57:45 -0400

If you didn't serve in Vietnam during the war,you are not a Vietnam war Veteran. I served 6/68 to 7/69 USMC 0311 grunt. Semper Fi. My opinion!

Response by PFC Garion Hines made Aug 1 at 2019 3:01 PM

PFC Garion Hines — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 15:01:11 -0400

If someone didn't serve in Vietnam war,I don't see how they can be a Vietnam war veteran. RVN 6/68 to 7/69 USMC 0311 grunt.Semper Fi.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Aug 4 at 2019 2:48 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Sun, 04 Aug 2019 14:48:39 -0400

It shouldn't make a difference, they served during that era, regardless if they set foot in country or not, while you served in Germany in 62-65, I believe you should be addressed as a Veteran of that era, just those who served during that period of conflict

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2019 12:00 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Aug 2019 00:00:30 -0400

There’s a BIG difference why someone who Served in Vietnam is referred to as a Vietnam Veteran and others as Vietnam Era Veterans. The Vietnam War became officially ended on May 12, 1975. I was in Okinawa during that timeframe with an Artillery Battalion. My father served in The Korea War and Vietnam. I served from 1972-1994. Vietnam Era and the Persian Gulf of 1990-1991. They all have my respect and admiration for what they All did. In Today’s mindset it’s one and the same. No it’s not. Let’s keep it simple and right for a change.

Response by SFC Brian Speich made Aug 5 at 2019 7:45 AM

SFC Brian Speich — Mon, 05 Aug 2019 07:45:35 -0400

Not in my lifetime. We needed these guys and gals back in the states or where ever do their job what ever it was to keep the Army moving. Can I say I was an Moon walk veteran? I worked for NASA when they were walking on the moon. Girl scouts can join boy scouts but boy scouts can't join girl scouts? Have we lost all touch of sanity and common sense? You are what you are, not what you want to be.

Response by CH (COL) Michael Malone made Aug 8 at 2019 4:44 PM

CH (COL) Michael Malone — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 16:44:59 -0400

I served during the Vietnam Era and do not call myself a Vietnam Veteran. I served in the Gulf War in Saudi Arabia and Iraq and am a Gulf War veteran. Unless you served on the ground in Vietnam, you are not a Vietnam veteran. IMHO

Response by SP5 Thomas Mokrzycki made Aug 8 at 2019 5:53 PM

SP5 Thomas Mokrzycki — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 17:53:23 -0400

No, I have talked to too many Vietnam era vets that have finagled their way out of NOT being sent to Vietnam. They as a a class do not deserve the same recognition as those of us served "IN COUNTRY".

Response by Cpl Richard Robinson made Aug 8 at 2019 9:59 PM

Cpl Richard Robinson — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 21:59:34 -0400

No if you are not a Veteran of Vietnam you are not a Vietnam veteran

Response by SSgt Dennis Smith made Aug 9 at 2019 11:40 AM

SSgt Dennis Smith — Fri, 09 Aug 2019 11:40:58 -0400

I am a "Vietnam Combat Vet" who served in country 1967-68 in the Air Force working in close air support, forward air control. I went through the '68 Tet offense and made it out alive and unscathed. The middle word is "combat" and sets us apart from "Vietnam Era Vets"

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Aug 10 at 2019 5:36 AM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sat, 10 Aug 2019 05:36:33 -0400

If the person Served there, then yes. My Father in Law served in Vietnam in 1968. He is a VETERAN of that war.

Response by SGT David Jackson made Aug 10 at 2019 12:33 PM

SGT David Jackson — Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:33:44 -0400

My mother, father, and Uncle all were WWII Veterans. My Uncle was killed in Belgium, the only immediate family member to go overseas to a combat zone.
THEY ARE ALL CONSIDERED WWII VETERANS. No distinction was ever made then or now, and none will ever be made, because America supported the war. Vietnam? Not so much, and that is why it is an issue. My brother is a Vietnam Vet. I am a Vietnam Era Vet
Right now, to me, there is a difference, and it is a major emotional difference. Twenty years from now? Probably not at all.
Wherever you were, whatever you did, if you did it with honor, thank you for your service to our civilization.

Response by SSgt Stephen Lindsey made Aug 10 at 2019 1:37 PM

SSgt Stephen Lindsey — Sat, 10 Aug 2019 13:37:13 -0400

There are different definitions for Vietnam Veterans and Vietnam Era Veterans depending on the source (Federal Statutes, private organizations, etc.). The Feds use their definitions for the purposes of benefits and employment services. Yes, there is a definite difference, however, like it or not ALL veterans who served during the Vietnam War years (even one day) are, in fact, Vietnam Era Veterans. I do believe those who actually served in-country should receive more respect and recognition for being in a 24-7 combat zone, however, to be fair who else is entitled to wear the Vietnam Service and Campaign Ribbons? You might want to read their definitions and requirements. Makes it simple. Those not entitled to wear those ribbons were authorized the National Defense Ribbon.
The remaining (non SEA) Vietnam Era Veterans served just as honorably and were always subject to SEA deployments. All who wore the uniform during those years did so knowing we were potentially putting ourselves in harms way. Regardless, I sincerely thank all who served and continue to serve. We are the few.

Response by PO2 Ben Ferguson made Aug 10 at 2019 3:27 PM

PO2 Ben Ferguson — Sat, 10 Aug 2019 15:27:42 -0400

If you wore the uiniform during Viet NaM; as far as i'm concerned you're a NaM VET and deserve the welcome home. Regardless of where one served they were despised by the progressives. No I didn't serve during Viet Nam: 56-58.

Response by LCpl Stephen Sharp made Aug 11 at 2019 12:46 AM

LCpl Stephen Sharp — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 00:46:55 -0400

YES I think anyone who served in the countries in or around Vietnam from 1959 to 1975 should be considered a "Vietnam vet". Cpt Jack Durish also makes a lot of good reasons why anyone in a US military uniform during the Vietnam Era or War deserves the to be a "Vietnam vet"

Response by Capt Wayne Burden made Aug 11 at 2019 2:19 PM

Capt Wayne Burden — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 14:19:10 -0400

I came in the Air Force in January of 1974. Technically, I’m a “Vietnam Era” vet, but because hostilities were over in 1973, never served a day in Vietnam. I don’t want to diminish the service of those who did by being called a Vietnam veteran. In my book, if you can’t wear the ribbon, you don’t deserve the title.

Response by PO3 Roy Schuelke made Aug 11 at 2019 9:09 PM

PO3 Roy Schuelke — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:09:36 -0400

any vet is a vet. if you are being shot at, or supplying anything they need.

Response by Sgt Rob Elsworth made Aug 12 at 2019 1:39 PM

Sgt Rob Elsworth — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:39:48 -0400

I'm a VietNam Era veteran ... I was one of the Silent Warriors that flew various missions though the Air Corridors through the various corridors in and out of Berlin gathering COMINT, and SIGINT (gathered HUMINT on the ground). Also did this periodically from various bases in So VN. It was more of a TDY situation and would touch down for a day or two, no morel The crazy thing is this does not qualify me as a VietNam Vet as my TDY was not thirty days. I was in the USAF SS at the time. I didn't get any ribbon for this activity so ... the rules at the time applied. My activity does not show up in any detail on my DD-214 simply because, I believe, we were military intelligence collecting data, but nonetheless, I feel my personal safety was in jeopardy ... could of been shot down! LOL Oh well, many folks don't know the crap we went through either. I respect those who served on the ground in VN. I don't consider myself a true Vietnam Vet, but I was on the ground, albeit short periods of time.

Response by Sgt Bob Adcock made Aug 13 at 2019 9:33 PM

Sgt Bob Adcock — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:33:43 -0400

If you served in Vietnam you are a Vietnam Vet. If you served during the war but didn't actually serve in Vietnam, you are a Vietnam Era Vet.

Response by SPC William Cassing made Aug 14 at 2019 7:03 PM

SPC William Cassing — Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:03:29 -0400

I'm curious as to what people think about vets who served in other theaters and were sent TDY to areas where we weren't supposed to be. They were in SEA, were exposed to enemy fire and, of course like the rest of us, were yelled at and spit on when we showed ourselves in public in uniform. BUT nothing is in their files about these little sojourns, NOTHING. Of course, I spent all my TDY's in Germany, so I wouldn't know......

Response by SGT Marvin Shiplips made Aug 17 at 2019 2:36 PM

SGT Marvin Shiplips — Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:36:08 -0400

No way! They are the same as the REMFs that served in Vietnam. They are an excellent example
of ( Stolen Valor).

Response by PO2 Louis Fattrusso made Aug 17 at 2019 6:09 PM

PO2 Louis Fattrusso — Sat, 17 Aug 2019 18:09:54 -0400

That’s a tough call. I am one. I am always careful to tell people that I didn’t actually fight in Vietnam. I think it could be a matter of stolen valor. I have to much respect for those who went to Vietnam to even have people think I was one. Vietnam Era works for me.

Response by SPC Brian Cook made Aug 18 at 2019 9:14 AM

SPC Brian Cook — Sun, 18 Aug 2019 09:14:07 -0400

This is my third thought on this, and maybe I'm dwelling on it too much, but what about the pilots that flew from a safe air base and dropped bombs, got shot at, flew home and had dinner with family or buddies at club that night. And now have PTSD from all the civilians they killed. They were where never "in country ". Just a thought, from a kid that was way too young for Vietnam, but did go to desert shield/ desert storm.

Response by CPT Willis Davis made Aug 18 at 2019 11:20 PM

CPT Willis Davis — Sun, 18 Aug 2019 23:20:52 -0400

If you were there you know who you are, if you were not there it is becoming of you to correct all and tell them you are an era vet, end of story

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2019 8:33 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Aug 2019 20:33:50 -0400

I served as a legal clerk in Alabama 1973-1975. A few years ago I attended a veterans' conference where we were told that Vietnam Era Veterans can call themselves Vietnam Veterans. I was appalled and will never call myself that. I didn't serve in Vietnam, nor was I subjected to the hardships and dangers associated with combat service.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Aug 25 at 2019 1:22 PM

LCpl Michael Cappello — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 13:22:40 -0400

NO !! Korean War vets served in Korea. Iwo Jima Marines saw duty ON Iwo Jima. Vietnam ERA vets are just that. Vietnam ERA. NOT Vietnam vets. In my opinion, Vietnam vets are those who actually served in the Nam. PERIOD.

Response by MAJ Montgomery Granger made Aug 25 at 2019 4:13 PM

MAJ Montgomery Granger — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 16:13:51 -0400

I think it's up to the individual what they want to be called, but we don't always have that privilege. I understand the sentiment, but WWII vets who never saw action or were even in theater are still called WWII (not WWII era) veterans. I have a friend who wears the Vietnam Era hat, as he served in Germany during the Vietnam War. He feels he should not be confused with those who served in-country.

Response by SPC William Szkromiuk made Aug 25 at 2019 5:47 PM

SPC William Szkromiuk — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 17:47:07 -0400

Negative on that! I served 65-68. One year in Germany. Actually had orders to go to Vietnam with the 78th Signal Bn. Orders were changed. We remained in Fort Lewis. I hated Fort Lewis. Mostly because we never trained in our MOS. Back to the subject.

I wear hats that say Army Veteran. I take my discount at Lowe's etc.
But, I take my hat off to all that served in that forsaken country! And I salute you!

I could not even bear to wear one of those "Cold War Veteran" hats. To me it somehow demeans what the "War Veterans" did and went thru.

Bless you all and welcome back!

Response by CPT Cornelius Gorman II made Aug 25 at 2019 7:23 PM

CPT Cornelius Gorman II — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 19:23:30 -0400

It was not my choice as a volunteer enlistee during the VN years where to serve. Not offended at being VN era veteran, just proud of being a vet who served as an EM 1969-1975.

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made Aug 26 at 2019 8:24 PM

PO1 William Van Syckle — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 20:24:46 -0400

Ok. Let me ask this question. Is somebody who served state side during WWII a WWII veteran or not. And is a person who served state side during the Korean War a Korean War Veteran. I want somebody to walk up to one of those old gentlemen that is wearing a WWII hat or Korean War hat and ask them if they served in country with boots on the ground.
The point I’m trying to make is it does not make a difference where they served. It’s the fact that they did serve. They are WWII Era Veterans, they are Korean War Era Veterans, they are Vietnam Era Veterans, etc... Stop kicking this dead horse and bury it.....

Response by SPC Jim Pfeifer made Aug 29 at 2019 12:58 PM

SPC Jim Pfeifer — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:58:02 -0400

I agree with him, I served 61---64 I'm not a Vietnam vet I wasn't there so I don't qualify as being one,

Response by SGM Patrick Kirby made Aug 30 at 2019 9:26 PM

SGM Patrick Kirby — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 21:26:23 -0400

I served 1968 - 1988, NO!

Response by Sgt David Hesser made Sep 3 at 2019 9:52 AM

Sgt David Hesser — Tue, 03 Sep 2019 09:52:58 -0400

I agree, I served from 73 to 77 , I only claim to be a Vet, And I wanted to go bad tried my hardest came out of MOs school near the top but the Gunny told me no diesel mechanics are going to Nam and rarely did they even go during the height, and no I did not pick my MOS the Corps did.

Response by CW2 Roy Allen made Sep 3 at 2019 2:24 PM

CW2 Roy Allen — Tue, 03 Sep 2019 14:24:00 -0400

they should have shot Jane
also they were issued an order take not prisoners plus a boy rode in our camp with a rocket launcher.
I landed in Quinon a boy rode by as we were parked and went down into the bunker where we had just doped the General walked in and threw a gernade killing several ha baby killer??????????

Response by CW2 Jalistair B made Sep 6 at 2019 10:10 PM

CW2 Jalistair B — Fri, 06 Sep 2019 22:10:44 -0400

We have Vietnam Vets, they are vets who fought in the Vietnam War. Vietnam Era vets did not fight in the Vietnam War and should not be addressed as Vietnam Vets. Next question?

Response by MSgt Kerry Lundy made Sep 16 at 2019 11:11 AM

MSgt Kerry Lundy — Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:11:27 -0400

I don't wear my Vietnam Veteran status on my shirt sleeve. I don't wear my Vietnam veteran status on my hat everyday. I don't go to the VFW Club or other clubs and listen to most often embellished war stories. I served my first tour Dec66-Dec67 at Tuy Hoa AB went through a mortar/rocket attack at Tan Son Nuht while waiting for transport to Tuy Hoa. Second Tour 68-69 was at Phu Cat, PCA'D to Quin Nonh AAF went through a ground assault there and then later a mortar attack after returning to Phu Cat . My third tour was 70-71 Tan Son Nuht where I was MEDIVAC'D half way through it. To the best of my knowledge my AFSC was the only enlisted one in Transportation that was frozen for Southeast Asia primarily for Vietnam. It was the only one that received a variable re-enlistment bonus. We maintained the fuel servicing, A/C towing, Fire Fighting vehicles and cargo loading/unloading vehicles all of which are critical to the flying missions. I was stationed at Utapao when Saigon fell and my shop had boots on the ground at Tan Son Nuht then. We also went to Army Airfields where Aerial Ports had people and equipment when they had breakdowns. I was there did my job and stayed on active duty til 1986 and retired. I took my uniform off and hung it up. I live about 65 miles from Fort Gordon and visit it occasionally.

Response by PFC Gary Dovik made Oct 2 at 2019 10:30 PM

PFC Gary Dovik — Wed, 02 Oct 2019 22:30:49 -0400

I was in the Army from 72 to 76 and I had orders to go to Vietnam but they were pulled back and I was transferred to Germany. I had did have several buddies that went to Vietnam and I even worked on vehicles that had been damaged, repaired them and they were sent from Germany and reshipped back to Vietnam. I also had a classification for safety review, tasked with indicating why or if or when vehicles were safe to be reintroduced to action. We did lose some men, though I was not personally under fire, we were at a constant state of alert. Based on this information, I would like to know how I am classified, as a Vietnam Vet or Vietnam Era Vet.

Response by Sgt Paul G Paquin made Oct 5 at 2019 2:07 PM

Sgt Paul G Paquin — Sat, 05 Oct 2019 14:07:50 -0400

I served from Sep 66 to Sep 70 in the Air Force. While stationed in Dover, Del I submitted a transfer request to Viet Nam. The request was granted and they shipped me to Elmendorf in Alaska. All this to say that I am a Nam-Era Vet not a Nam Vet. To say otherwise would be to disrespect those who served in-country.

Response by SSG Rob Kumpf made Oct 9 at 2019 9:25 PM

SSG Rob Kumpf — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 21:25:00 -0400

No... in fact, I don’t really know why they feel the need to be called “Vietnam-Era Veterans” either. You served during a 20 year period when we had folks in Vietnam (if you count the very first advisors all the way to the last boot to step off the ground as Saigon fell in 1975).

Just stick to being a veteran... you didn’t go to the war. It’s so weird. As if their service needs to be specially recognized because they served during a war time without going to the actual war.

Response by SSG Rob Kumpf made Oct 9 at 2019 9:32 PM

SSG Rob Kumpf — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 21:32:16 -0400

To refine my other comment a bit... why can’t they just claim to be Cold War veterans if they served in the same timeframe as Vietnam? That’s what they are... they didn’t serve in Vietnam, but they still served in the Cold War. Take a bit of pride in what you actually did, not something millions of other folks did while you sat elsewhere.

Being a Cold War veteran isn’t anything to be ashamed of, Hell, I’d be proud of that.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Oct 10 at 2019 9:32 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:32:23 -0400

Just be accurate. Vietnam-era is not the same as serving in Vietnam.

Response by MSgt Ronald Margulski made Oct 17 at 2019 10:43 AM

MSgt Ronald Margulski — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:43:05 -0400

I spent about 4 1/2 years in SEA and was in on the evacuation of Saigon. I do ware my VV hat a lot and am PROUD of my service. At the end of VV evacuation I was very upset and was ashamed. I did stay in for 20 years and retired as a MSgt. but still felt bad about the whole VV experience. After some years I felt less ashamed and started wearing my VV hat. As for the question I don't think it Matters. Ron Margulski

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Oct 17 at 2019 8:49 PM

Sgt Frank Staples — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 20:49:57 -0400

Now that's an interesting question. I served '66 through '70 and spent my year overseas in sunny Sondestromfjiord, Greenland. I don't consider myself a VN vet and refer, when asked, as a VN era veteran. I was fortunate that I didn't have any problems with civilians because back then I'd have probably kicked some serious ass and gotten in trouble.

Response by SGT Eliyahu Rooff made Oct 18 at 2019 11:11 AM

SGT Eliyahu Rooff — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:11:07 -0400

Why not? We refer to all veterans who served from 1941 through 1945 as World War Two vets, regardless of where they served.

Response by SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D made Oct 18 at 2019 1:14 PM

SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 13:14:19 -0400

Sounds to me that a Viet Nam Veteran is a Veteran of the Viet Nam War (which I am), but in Pennsylvania, the only State I personally have seen this in is a hat that says, "VIET NAM ERA VETERAN", which seems to imply that any person who was in the military during the time span of the VN War, is a "Viet Nam Era Veteran. Seems to me that designation is valid when you think about all of the great military personnel who supported all of us in battle without them physically being in Viet Nam. I for one see our Military as a team and thank them for their support, directly or indirectly, no matter where they were in the world, they were doing their job, as we did our job and that is what constitutes the greatest military on the face of the Earth!

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Oct 20 at 2019 10:09 AM

MSgt George Fillgrove — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:09:49 -0400

YES!!!!!

The VA (AKA federal law) makes not distinction between era or in-country, so using the term "era" actually serves to discriminate.

World War I, World War II, and Korean War veterans don't differentiate between era and "in country," why do it now? It actually serves to minimalize another person's military service.

Consider this, during Desert Storm, I did not serve in theater. My duties were at the eastern most staging base that staged and then recovered personnel and assets -- four six months before and after Desert Storm. It was a wartime operations tempo, complete with threats of terrorism, and 12-hour shifts. During an immediately afterward, I was considered a Desert Storm veteran and my DD Form 214 says something like "served in direct support of Desert Shield/Storm/Calm.

The VA even classifies me as a Gulf War veteran. Why am I now considered Desert Storm Era?

Kind of a slap in the face, wouldn't you say!

Response by SSG Robert "Rob" Wentworth made Oct 20 at 2019 9:31 PM

SSG Robert "Rob" Wentworth — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 21:31:04 -0400

I make it clear up front I was not "In-Country", if asked.

Response by 1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel made Oct 20 at 2019 11:47 PM

1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 23:47:17 -0400

The closest I got to Vietnam was Arizona. No, I am a vet, and I don’t even use the “Vietnam Era” as that was a creation of Congress of some such thing.. I fond it awkward and too easily confusing to the initiated. I had dinner with a true Vietnam vet this evening and he suffered things I can only try to imagine. It is almost a “stolen valor” thing for me, even though I was called “baby killer” at O’Hare Terminal while traveling in uniform in 1972.

Reading responses upstream, one thing I believe some of you are forgetting: If you were in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos, or in the airspace of coastal waters off Vietnam, you were in theater. If you were authorized to wear the medals issued by the RVN, you are a Vietnam vet.

The NDSM (aka, the Red Badge of Courage) indicates active duty during a war or conflict, not service in theater.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Oct 21 at 2019 12:48 AM

Lt Col Warren Domke — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 00:48:00 -0400

In my opinion a Vietnam veteran should be one who served in-country, as I did from May 1970 until May 1971. This could include TDY trips for support or training. There is no disgrace in being a Vietnam era veteran, as all Vietnam veterans also are. Since I did not serve in combat I prefer not to be called a Vietnam combat veteran as that title should be reserved for those who actually saw combat. There is no disgrace in being a Vietnam era veteran or a veteran in any other situation. We all served and we all took risks just being in uniform.

Response by SSgt Jon Hall made Oct 21 at 2019 11:58 AM

SSgt Jon Hall — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 11:58:59 -0400

I served in the USMC reserve, Motor Transport Maintenance from 1967-1977. 3516 Auto mechanic, multifuel diesel, E-6. Certified as an instructor and eventually NCOIC of detachment training . As anyone who served during that era knows, there were a lot of changes and demand for particular skill sets along the way. My unit/detachment was a complete deployable mobile unit including mechanics. paint/body shop, machine shop, drivers, supply, logistics and training departments. Skilled members were a vital part of the units mission. Work was done on vehicles from other reserve units as well as active duty units and bombed out vehicles sent back from service in Viet Nam. The detachment was never deployed as the demand was for individual specialties and not a complete detachment. Also because as a unit we were providing essential services to all who requested them. I remember my team completely reconditioning a disabled Ontos and making ready for redeployment to the war zone. We knew we were contributing but that one example really stuck with me as we knew lives depended on our work.
When asked if I was a Viet Nam vet I always reply no with a clarification. Because of other special skills, I was recruited to work extra duty on a division sniper team. It was a lot of extra work but I couldn't turn down an opportunity to further contribute. The assignments were frequent and always for less than the 180 consecutive required for benefits or active duty points. As special assignments never really "stationed" at any duty station. I could have taken the easy road and volunteered for two years, stationed at some state side shop and got out with full benefits but that wouldn't have fulfilled my sense of accomplishment and level of contribution. So when I'm asked I just say no I'm not a Viet Nam vet but everyone contributed that put on a uniform. Adds credence to All gave some, some gave all. When ask what I did, I just say , my part.

Response by HN Bruce Larry Young made Oct 27 at 2019 8:15 PM

HN Bruce Larry Young — Sun, 27 Oct 2019 20:15:12 -0400

I have a very special take on this thread. It’s so different I have a hard time explaining.

Response by SGT Al Mount made Oct 31 at 2019 11:55 AM

SGT Al Mount — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:55:23 -0400

I don't care what you call me, as long as it's not "Baby Killer" that's when the fight will start

Response by 1SG Randy Ford made Nov 1 at 2019 4:35 PM

1SG Randy Ford — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:35:47 -0400

I am a Vietnam War Era Vet, I was suppose to go in county but that was right at the time they quit sending forces so I was sent to Germany. But when I came state side to Ft Lewis I was called everything but a Soldier as we would go through town, nor did I get treated any better when I got off active duty by the some locals back home. I always state that I am a Vietnam War Era Vet when asked but I can tell you from personal experience we were treated no different.

Response by 1SG Randy Ford made Nov 1 at 2019 4:37 PM

1SG Randy Ford — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:37:33 -0400

Response by PO3 William Propsner made Nov 1 at 2019 9:45 PM

PO3 William Propsner — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 21:45:55 -0400

Yes dammit!

Response by Sgt Ronald Harris made Nov 2 at 2019 10:19 PM

Sgt Ronald Harris — Sat, 02 Nov 2019 22:19:34 -0400

Only if they had "Boots on the ground"

Response by MSgt Sidney Lichter made Nov 4 at 2019 9:44 AM

MSgt Sidney Lichter — Mon, 04 Nov 2019 09:44:26 -0500

I'm a "Vietnam Era Vet". I was part of a support unit on Taiwan, which is as close as I got to 'Nam. I have friends who were in the thick of things, but I DON'T consider myself a 'Vietnam Vet'; to do so would be lessening the credit/pain they have.

Response by SPC George Edwards made Nov 4 at 2019 4:35 PM

SPC George Edwards — Mon, 04 Nov 2019 16:35:29 -0500

Absolutely not. Like the previous poster, I too served from 1962-64 in Germany.

Response by PO1 David Newman made Nov 7 at 2019 12:58 AM

PO1 David Newman — Thu, 07 Nov 2019 00:58:39 -0500

I am an "Era Vet" and I don't EVER claim Viet Nam Veteran status. My Viet Nam buddies still call me a Viet Nam Vet because I served and it wasn't "my fault" that I wasn't sent. I understand. I also know that I didn't pay the physical, mental/emotional and spiritual price that those who were in country did and still do. I also wasn't sent to the Desert but could have been. I had the MOS for both, Tanker, Combat Medic and Navy Corpsman. I Honor those who were The Sent and for me to claim to be one of them, to me, would be stolen valor. I'll have no part of that! War changes people, how could it not? You are home now but part of you stayed there. Most don't understand but some of us do. Look into this, PLEASE...REBOOTrecovery.com. HM1 D.L. Newman (Ret.)

Response by SPC Jim Pfeifer made Nov 7 at 2019 10:04 AM

SPC Jim Pfeifer — Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:04:06 -0500

I agree, I was in the same era.

Response by SPC Donald Piper made Nov 7 at 2019 10:19 AM

SPC Donald Piper — Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:19:30 -0500

Vietnam era vets are not Vietnam vets as they were not exposed to the war and all the hazards as such.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Nov 7 at 2019 1:36 PM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Thu, 07 Nov 2019 13:36:25 -0500

I'm a Viet Nam era vet. I don't equate my service with that of someone who served in Viet Nam. I always correct people that call me a Viet Nam vet. I was one of the lucky ones. I turned 18 in 1969 and got my draft card but my number was never called. I went on with my life and got married and had two kids. In 1974 I enlisted and was sent to San Francisco as my first duty station. I will always be grateful to those who served "IN MY PLACE". I had a slightly different situation during Desert Storm. When it kicked off I was Drill Sergeant and was considered "mission essential" so I didn't go there either. Every conflict from 1974 - 1995 I missed because I was in some other mission-critical assignment. I guess God has a different plan for me. So Thanks to all the guys that deployed or took the bullet in my stead. Especially those who were drafted. I can still hold my head high because I never avoided service anywhere. I didn't go to Canada or try to get a deferment. Whatever cards I was dealt I took them and served.

Response by LTC Stephen B. made Nov 7 at 2019 3:16 PM

LTC Stephen B. — Thu, 07 Nov 2019 15:16:21 -0500

Should all veterans who served in January-February 1991 be addressed as Desert Storm Vets?

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Nov 10 at 2019 10:52 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 22:52:58 -0500

As a Vietnam veteran this question has always fascinated me. Why is it so important? in World War II there were 3 groups those that served. 1) in Europe or N Africa 2) those are served in the Pacific islands and the 3rd) a group that never left the continental United States. As far as I know they're all called veterans or World War 2 veterans. The only difference is now with all the technology we can put more labels on our hats. I served 2 tours in Vietnam and was medevacked out of the second tour. My injuries are considered combat related but did not get a Purple Heart because the plane crashed because of bad maintenance not enemy actions. So, to some people I'm a combat vet, and some people say I'm not. I served my time in the United States Air Force and very proud of it. But I never compare myself to an Soldier or marine that served weeks, if not months trudging through the jungles of Vietnam. I served in Korea in 1965 and 66 which is part of the Vietnam era so with that rule I’m a Vietnam era vet too.
What I'm trying to get at, is if you raised your hand and took the oath and made it through basic training. They it sent you damn well are a veteran! I think all the other distinctions are pretty.

Response by Sgt Dan Catlin made Nov 11 at 2019 1:39 PM

Sgt Dan Catlin — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 13:39:04 -0500

I was in Nam Phong, Thailand (the Rose Garden) serving in combat support operations as a Net Controller coordinating communications for all SE Asia. We lived in hooches in the middle of the jungle, were exposed to Agent Orange, and I'm told there were Communists outside our perimeter. It was a Marine Air Base, and our pilots flew combat missions into Nam. BUT, I never went in country.

I do NOT call myself a Vietnam Vet. There's a difference.

Response by PO2 David Kaiser made Nov 12 at 2019 1:53 AM

PO2 David Kaiser — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 01:53:50 -0500

Most days I wear a Navy Veteran ballcap to showcase my three son's pins...one Army Vet, one Marine Vet and one Air Force Vet. If anyone asks me if I served during Viet Nam, I tell them yes...but Uncle decided that my services were urgently required for four years in San Diego. I make it a point, if I see someone with a VN cap, shirt or jacket on, to tell them "welcome home, brother!" but I don't claim anything I didn't do.

I still think it's a bit odd, though, that we're having this discussion and making this distinction, since we don't make it with WWII veterans or even Korean War veterans, since there were many who served honorably but did not go overseas.

Response by CPT Robert Boshears made Nov 15 at 2019 5:20 PM

CPT Robert Boshears — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:20:38 -0500

You have a VSM, you are a Vietnam Vet. If not, and you served during the Vietnam war era, you are a Vietnam Era Vet.

Response by CPT Robert Boshears made Nov 15 at 2019 5:25 PM

CPT Robert Boshears — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:25:44 -0500

I served in the Navy and Army. I was combat wounded in Vietnam. 30 plus years later, I asked for my medals to be combined. I got a packet of medals... of which, one was a WW2 medal, before I was born. That medal is on a DD-215.... in no way will I wear it or claim to be a WW2 vet. Certain honors go with your duty assignment.

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made Nov 17 at 2019 5:18 PM

Sgt Peter Schlesiona — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:18:28 -0500

Jack Durish, your last paragraph bails you out somewhat but I strongly disagree with your “in fairness” comment.
There is nothing fair about this form of Stolen Valor. The average civilian would not register the “Vietnam ERA” qualifier and such “era” vets should simply refer to themselves as veterans - period.
Did they spend 13 months in the Bush? Did they have the horrible experience of signing body tags to officially ID the remains of their brothers? Did they go a month or more between showers, haircuts, clean skivvies or uniforms? Did they sleep most nights in a hole in the ground and get maybe two hours of sleep before standing watch again? Did they pick off leeches from every part of their bodies - routinely? Did they experience the joys of C-rations cobbled together from what anyone else but the low bidder would have thrown away? Stuff that had been sitting around since WWII? Did they go out on operations or sweeps or patrols in monsoon rains? When those rains filled their holes with water, did they sleep back-to-back with a brother under ponchos and then just shift around when it was time for their watch? Did they see their brothers maimed or killed on an all-too-regular basis?
It took me years to get over the fact that the troops who got to meander around Saigon in summer dress uniforms almost daily, the troops who called China Beach or Cam Ranh Bay home, all the 80% of troops who spent their entire tours in safe areas while the rest of us actually FOUGHT the war could call themselves “Vietnam Vets”. How much more crappy is it to see these “era” people bask in the glow of our service? Oh, BooHoo, they got insulted and spit on in some cases. Most of theM probably never wore a uniform out in public.

Response by SP5 Ron Lenzner made Nov 17 at 2019 11:47 PM

SP5 Ron Lenzner — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 23:47:25 -0500

No.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2019 1:10 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:10:18 -0500

Any veterans who served in that era but didn't go to Vietnam shouldn't be called Vietnam vets, they should be called veterans; just like I would be called an Afghan vet but not an Iraq vet. In the immortal words of Terrence Popp, truth is not an insult, and reality is not an attack. If they served but didn't go to Vietnam, they still signed the check; they still have my respect. It's just a recognition that they served in one place and not another, and went through one set of hardships but not others.

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made Nov 25 at 2019 12:30 PM

SGT Doug Blanchard — Mon, 25 Nov 2019 12:30:59 -0500

Just my opinion, HE'LL NO. Vietnam Era Vets did not serve in country, they just happened to be in the military at that time. If I had enlisted a month earlier than I did, I would have been a Vietnam Era Veteran, but I would never lay claim to being a Vietnam Vet though.

Response by Capt Terry Fillmore made Nov 26 at 2019 8:17 PM

Capt Terry Fillmore — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 20:17:34 -0500

I joined the Marines in June of 1974, so I am a Vietnam Era Vet. Some Marines I graduated with took part in "Operation Frequent Wind", so they actually found themselves in country during the liberation of Saigon. I would never presume myself to be a Viet Nam Vet, because I never experienced what true Viet Nam Vets experienced. I do wear items of clothing that say Viet Nam Era Vet, but that's just to let people know that I'm "Old Corps". You know the saying, "The old corps ended the day I got out."

Response by Sgt Ron Horton made Nov 28 at 2019 9:38 AM

Sgt Ron Horton — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:38:09 -0500

Although I served from 66-70 I would not call myself a Vietnam War Vet. However, to say I don't have trauma from that damned war is incorrect. I have survivors' guilt. Many of my friends did go over there, many didn't come back, many wish they didn't come back. It hurt all of us who served, just in different ways. I won't even ride on motorcycle rides with Combat Vets unless asked to do so. I certainly respect what they went through.

Response by SP5 Paula Wyse made Nov 29 at 2019 7:49 AM

SP5 Paula Wyse — Fri, 29 Nov 2019 07:49:49 -0500

my dad never saw combat, but he is not called a world war 2 era veteran

Response by CPT Robert Boshears made Nov 30 at 2019 7:01 PM

CPT Robert Boshears — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:01:00 -0500

You served, that means a lot. Medals look good on an Active Duty uniform, but a DD-214 is gold

Response by CPT Cornelius Gorman II made Nov 30 at 2019 9:10 PM

CPT Cornelius Gorman II — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 21:10:05 -0500

Perhaps the issue might be resolved by vet vs. combat vet? Texas, however foes not distinguish the difference and classifies veterans as VN veteran based upon the years of service. The veteran has no option for clarification. In time, it won’t matter as veterans of our vintage are too rapidly dwindling as a function of time passed since honorable service. I remain grateful for having had the opportunity to serve our country and to my peers send thanks and glad Christmas tidings!

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Dec 1 at 2019 3:32 PM

MGySgt Rick Tyrrell — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 15:32:11 -0500

No a vet is a vet.

Response by SSgt Marian Mitchell made Dec 1 at 2019 11:39 PM

SSgt Marian Mitchell — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 23:39:23 -0500

I am an "Era" Vet and make sure I let anyone know that. Those who were "in country" experienced things that I never did. They are the true Vietnam Vets in my opinion.

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Dec 2 at 2019 12:59 PM

PO1 Tom Follis — Mon, 02 Dec 2019 12:59:29 -0500

Capt Jack, your comment has me confused. First, you say anyone was subject to wind up in Nam, was subject to being treated as if we just got home from Nam yet, you turn right around and say because of the word “ERA” does not make one a Vietnam veteran. During Vietnam, we had the draft in place. How many men were pulled from college, a job or just off their lazy asses just to be drafted. Not all draftees were sent to Nam. Are you gonna be the one to stand up and tell them their time means nothing?

Response by Sgt Jim Belanus made Dec 4 at 2019 3:38 PM

Sgt Jim Belanus — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 15:38:47 -0500

Were WW2 vets who served out of the combat area considered WW era vets? I think not. We all took our chances, some draftees went to Germany or England instead of Nam.

Response by SPC Edwin Lee made Dec 6 at 2019 3:07 AM

SPC Edwin Lee — Fri, 06 Dec 2019 03:07:53 -0500

My father fought in the jungle in the defense of Bataan, and spent two years four months as a POW in the tropics. He told me to not fight in the tropics. When I enlisted, the Army chose me for Tactical Nuclear Weapons, so I lucked out. For the State Département I later served in the tropics under the watchful eye of à small group of Communists Terrorists who intended, and tried, to assassinate or kidnap me by name. I was alone, they knew my face and color. They may have touched me in à crowd. I am an Era Vétéran. It would bé stolen valor to accept being called à Vietnam Vétéran. I'd no more call myself à Vietnam Vétéran than I'd call myself à Defender of Bataan.

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made Dec 6 at 2019 10:28 AM

PO1 William Van Syckle — Fri, 06 Dec 2019 10:28:27 -0500

Let me ask this question. You see a veteran wearing a WWII Veteran cap or Korean War Veteran cap. Do you walk up to him and ask if he served in combat or stayed in states. I know that I have never asked that question. So why are we asking that question of our Vietnam Veterans. I think there is something wrong with this. Also, according to Congress, there are no Vietnam Veterans. Congress has mandated that All will be known as Vietnam Era Veterans. Now, with that said, those that want, can be called Vietnam Veteran. I myself, wear a cap that says “Vietnam Era Veteran.” I’m proud of the fact that I served during the Era. I followed orders and went where I was told to go. It’s not my fault the Army did not send me to Vietnam. But, I would have gone if they had sent me. Let’s get over this and recognize everybody from that Era as Vietnam Veterans and knock this crap off.....

Response by PO2 Jeffrey S. made Dec 6 at 2019 12:23 PM

PO2 Jeffrey S. — Fri, 06 Dec 2019 12:23:56 -0500

If they did not serve in Vietnam then they are Vietnam Era Veterans. I have met a lot of veterans that did not serve in Vietnam and do not want to be considered as a Vietnam Veteran. In my opinion, it is almost like a stolen valor. If you were not there then you are not!

Response by SPC Jerome Van Der heyden made Dec 6 at 2019 2:01 PM

SPC Jerome Van Der heyden — Fri, 06 Dec 2019 14:01:31 -0500

vietnam Vet a person who seen action in vietnam not avietnam area vet big difference

Response by PO3 Joe McGee made Dec 6 at 2019 11:20 PM

PO3 Joe McGee — Fri, 06 Dec 2019 23:20:47 -0500

This question of who is a Viet Nam vet versus a Viet Nam "Era" vet has been discussed many times, on base, off base, VFW and American Legion halls, even the local pubs. Many times it causes angst among those involved in the discussion.
True, there was a time when all were considered Veterans of whatever conflict was taking place at the time, no matter where they were stationed. (WWI/WWII/Korea etc.)
I believe that the demarcation point began when our own "veteran support" organizations such as the VFW and the American Legion ( and the AMVETS) decided that the criteria for joining each organization would be different.
As you know, VFW requires "in country" service. It doesn't matter if you were infantry or sitting on a ship just off the coast, as long as you are in AOC you are welcome to join.
The American Legion allows you to join as long as you were on active duty during a conflict, it doesn't matter where you were stationed.
The AMVETS recognize the fact that you are a veteran it doesn't matter if it was during peacetime of during time of war.
I am a "Vietnam Era" vet and I asked this same question to the VFW when I came back from spending 3 years in the Med chasing the Russians (homeported in Athens). I was told... hit the bricks you were not in theater.
Looking back, I totally agree with that assessment. Was I far from home? - yes, did I miss my family? - yes Was there a chance that if called upon I would give my life for my country? - yes.
Did I have to run the gauntlet of war? - No
And that is why we always have this discussion. At first I am sad that I never went through the gauntlet...then again I am happy I didn't have to.

My point is that we are all veterans. And while I can never say that I served in Viet Nam/Gulf/Iraq/Afghanistan. I can always say that I am proud of my service.

I think that all vets are better served if we combined the organizations that separate us into one large veteran platform. I have listened to many of my friends who served in theater and have laughed and admired their stories. They also have listened to my bullshit and laugh as well ...as I am told how lucky I am.
I know my post is way too long but in the long run...we are all just a bunch of patriots who are willing to defend and die for our country....labels on a hat mean nothing....

Response by SP5 Skip Myers made Dec 7 at 2019 6:56 AM

SP5 Skip Myers — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 06:56:29 -0500

No. Just because you served during the Vietnam War doesn’t give the right to be called a “Vietnam Vet”.

Response by PO1 Ed Cola made Dec 7 at 2019 11:19 AM

PO1 Ed Cola — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 11:19:38 -0500

Just call me a vet. I served in 3 conflicts. Call me an Iran Hostage Crisis vet? Silly

Response by SPC Charles Lavender made Dec 7 at 2019 5:23 PM

SPC Charles Lavender — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 17:23:11 -0500

I have to agree, Germany and Vietnam were at opposite ends of the military rainbow. Being in country, dealing with the heat, mud, rain and VC is a little different than worrying what is on at the base theatre. However, my service was no different than anyone else's in that my luck ran out and now agent orange is the gift that keeps giving. Being told "thanks for your service" by a fellow vet is disconcerting to say the least. We are still all brothers, just some grew up rougher than the next guy. I still respect them, they are Vietnam era, but if you didn't go......

Response by CPT Dan Havel made Dec 7 at 2019 6:16 PM

CPT Dan Havel — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 18:16:25 -0500

How bout spending stints in laos and Cambodia and never stepping foot in country?

Response by A1C Stephen Parone made Dec 7 at 2019 9:27 PM

A1C Stephen Parone — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 21:27:35 -0500

Not at all

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Dec 7 at 2019 11:26 PM

Cpl Bernard Bates — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 23:26:35 -0500

Its true they are Vietnam era Vets. However they are NOT Vietnam veterans. They should not wear caps, Tee shirts Etc. with Vietnam veteran on them . I spent 4yrs in the Marine Corp & then joined the Army went to Vietnam in 65-66. I am proud of being in the Corp. I don't ever pretend to be a Marine Vietnam veteran even though things were a lot rougher than some Marines had, Because we set up ASP,s and we had to be close to where the Ammo was needed. I only wear Vietnam Veterans Cap or clothing not denoting the service. Semper Fi.

Response by SGT Kenneth Partyka made Dec 8 at 2019 7:57 AM

SGT Kenneth Partyka — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 07:57:24 -0500

Nope. I served during the First Gulf War (reserves at the time) but certainly wasn't sent to the Middle East. In NO WAY have I ever considered myself a Gulf War Vet. That is "Stolen Valor" to me. Being a regular Veteran is good enough for me. I did my service where Uncle Sam wanted me to.

Response by SGT Kenneth Partyka made Dec 8 at 2019 7:57 AM

SGT Kenneth Partyka — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 07:57:57 -0500

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Dec 8 at 2019 4:23 PM

SPC Donn Sinclair — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:23:12 -0500

It's interesting. Back in the day, nobody wanted to be one of us. These days, everybody does. It is what it always has been. If there's a Vietnam Service Medal on your DD-214, you're one of us. If not, you're not. Simple as that.

Response by William Barry made Dec 8 at 2019 4:52 PM

William Barry — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:52:57 -0500

I respect all who served wherever they served. My grandfather was commissioned an ltjg during ww2, but ACDelco wouldn't let him leave. He switched from spark plugs to machine guns and got three production medals supervising Rosie the riveters that ran in the bathroom and smoked. He didn't go in after them, but just made sure they did their jobs. He did feel bad about not going overseas, but it wasn't his choice.

Response by Sgt Charles Patterson made Dec 8 at 2019 5:53 PM

Sgt Charles Patterson — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 17:53:26 -0500

I served from 68 thru 71 in the USAF and fully expected to go to Nam. However, I did not but I did experience combat and got called every name in the book when I returned to the states after a 3-year deployment. Personally I just consider myself a veteran but I would point out that WWII vets are just that, WWII vets.

Response by SFC Terry Wilcox made Dec 8 at 2019 6:22 PM

SFC Terry Wilcox — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 18:22:46 -0500

Always have that I know of... I've been a "Vietnam Vet" for about 50 years. 1966-67 and 68-69, managed to make both TET offensives.

Response by PO3 Ronnie Bradley made Dec 8 at 2019 6:33 PM

PO3 Ronnie Bradley — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 18:33:44 -0500

YES

Response by PFC William Waha made Dec 8 at 2019 10:10 PM

PFC William Waha — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 22:10:59 -0500

A World War 2 veteran is a veteran of World War 2 , a Vietnam veteran is a veteran of Vietnam . An era veteran is a veteran but not of any conflict or War that they did not take part in . We call a veteran of a specific type by their part in those types . So my answer would be NO . I am a veteran , I am a Gulf War veteran who has my Southwest Asia service medal and ribbons for my participation . A mail clerk stationed in Ohio during World War 2 would not be a World War 2 veteran , they would be a World War 2 era veteran . So why would you call someone a specific "type" veteran when they are not ? Stolen Valor is someone claiming to be something they are not . You know what Ribbons and medals you obtained and more importantly the ribbons and medals that you obtained will be on your service discharge papers ( DD214 ) .If any veteran could claim to be a World War 2 veteran , then why couldn't I be a Revolutionary War veteran ?

Response by SFC Freddie Porter made Dec 8 at 2019 10:26 PM

SFC Freddie Porter — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 22:26:53 -0500

For those who believe Vietnam era vets should be addressed as Vietnam war vets, ask yours, what was the life span of a 2LT in country. And than ask yourself what that same 2LT’s life span was in West Germany or at Ft Benning. That might start pointing you in the right direction

Response by MAJ Chris Ebertz made Dec 8 at 2019 11:18 PM

MAJ Chris Ebertz — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 23:18:08 -0500

I enlisted during High School in '73, but never deployed. Later, El Salvador and finally OIF. I never have, nor I ever will hold the honor of being a Vietnam Veteran. Central America and Iraq yes, but not Vietnam.

Response by GySgt Chuck Truitt made Dec 9 at 2019 8:26 AM

GySgt Chuck Truitt — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 08:26:35 -0500

Noooo! One was there or one was not there. I was born a male, and I remain a male. I'm from Florida, not a Georgian, regardless of how much I want to be. My first duty station out of initial schooling was in the USA, I had to repeatedly request to go to Vietnam.

Response by CPL Walter Franzen made Dec 9 at 2019 11:50 AM

CPL Walter Franzen — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 11:50:35 -0500

If U did not serve more then 90 days in a combat U should not be called a veteran. U served in the military yes but veteran should only be referred to as having military service. Plus the VA should have three levels of benefits. Wounded in combat, served in combat and those who had military service. The level of service should determine the benefits one would receive.
Walt US51586642

Response by CPL Peter Tamburro made Dec 9 at 2019 4:13 PM

CPL Peter Tamburro — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 16:13:22 -0500

I was trained by Uncle Sam to fight in Vietnam. By 1970, things had changed and they didn't need as many troops. I got to serve with the fellows who got to come back. My respect for their experience makes it easy for me to say Vietnam era veteran.

Response by LTJG Jeb Raitt made Dec 9 at 2019 4:57 PM

LTJG Jeb Raitt — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 16:57:50 -0500

I'm careful to describe myself as Vietnam-era. Closest I got was aboard the carrier USS Constellation, at Yankee Station in the summer of 1973, on a training cruise. I did suffer some verbal abuse, most of it pretty low-level.
On one hand, you could argue that all who served during WWI and WWII are referred to as veterans of those wars, but on the other hand, they WERE world wars, while Korea, Vietnam, and the others since then have been regional, and a lot of personnel who served during them weren't really that affected by them.

Response by MAJ Joseph Ward made Dec 9 at 2019 6:29 PM

MAJ Joseph Ward — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 18:29:58 -0500

What are the Veterans from other periods of time where there were conflicts but they didn't deployed considered as? WWII Era, Korean War Era? Or actual Vets of the conflict?

Response by Sgt A.J. Gray made Dec 9 at 2019 10:36 PM

Sgt A.J. Gray — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 22:36:39 -0500

No.

Response by MAJ Rj M made Dec 10 at 2019 8:45 AM

MAJ Rj M — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:45:06 -0500

Good god. Millennial Participation Trophy Bullshit much? A Vietnam Era Veteran IS NOT A VIETNAM VETERAN. One served during a specific time period ( which at one point was considered from the 1950's to 1992) and the other actually SERVED IN VIETNAM. That's like calling someone who served in the PTO an ETO veteran. Jesus Christ.

Is it me or are we whining about trivial bullshit? I know a lot of guys who were in Vietnam and fought and they don't give a rats ass about some participation trophy medal, OR, if someone wants to see their DD214. If they have clothing from the time period they wear it, if they don't want to, they don't. They don't give a shit because they made it. After all, they went through more bullshit from the assholes in this country that some sissy crying "Stolen Valor" "Stolen Valor". I have said this before. Kasserine beckons, but I think we really need a wake up call. This forum is turning into a social media site versus a discussion board for military things.

Its a sad state of affairs when lines are so blurred by societal impressions.

Response by PO1 Brian Latson made Dec 10 at 2019 8:51 AM

PO1 Brian Latson — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:51:23 -0500

My take, is coming from an Persian Gulf Veteran, and the son of a Purple Heart Recipient from the Vietnam WAR, is that yes they served at a time when their country was at war. Just because a service member may not have been in actual combat or the theater, does not mean that his or her contributions to the war effort were not essential to the war effort.

Response by SPC William Harrison made Dec 10 at 2019 9:03 AM

SPC William Harrison — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:03:17 -0500

Response by LCDR Steve Brown made Dec 10 at 2019 1:25 PM

LCDR Steve Brown — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:25:29 -0500

All gave some. Some gave all.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2019 4:56 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:56:47 -0500

The American Legion and VFW have already decided this.

Response by Sgt Ralph Williams made Dec 10 at 2019 9:01 PM

Sgt Ralph Williams — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:01:23 -0500

With all due respect to those who went over there I can not, an never will view myself as a Vietnam Vet!! I chose to serve and don’t regret the choice I made to enlist in The Airforce. I was willing to go anywhere in the world but was stationed 120 miles from home in Rome, NY. I did support the military effort, but generally speaking had an easy tour of duty!!!

Sincerely,
Vietnam Era Vet
Sgt. Ralph Williams
USAF 1968 - 1972

Response by CA George Reed made Dec 11 at 2019 8:23 AM

CA George Reed — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 08:23:12 -0500

I still don't feel comfortable referring to myself as a Vietnam Vet. I didn't do boots in country. I had one friend that did and he jumped my butt for referring to myself as Vietnam Era. He said that was BS. That there was about 17 people stateside ( per person in Vietnam) and such making sure he had everything he needed. He said I am a Vietnam Vet.

Response by PO1 T.M. Ritchie made Dec 11 at 2019 10:00 AM

PO1 T.M. Ritchie — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:00:23 -0500

Very odd to see this question today. 47 years ago today I enlisted for four years in the Navy at age 17 years 2 months and 14 days old. I was told during my enlistment that I was the youngest person to voluntarily enlist during the Vietnam war. The draft ended in January 1973. All ground troops left Vietnam by the end of March 1973. I don’t consider myself a Vietnam War vet only a Vietnam era veteran. But I was willing to if asked to. Just over a month ago I buried my dear friend of over 20 years. He served in the Marines as a forward observer for artillery and did two 13 month tour’s in country back to back! I once asked him why he did that. He simply said as long as he was there another Mother’s son wouldn’t have to be.

Response by Bobby Cleveland made Dec 11 at 2019 11:52 AM

Bobby Cleveland — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:52:16 -0500

my dad was a vet. he spent 2 tours . and he died a vet this year once a vet always a vet no matter what war you were in.
I don't care who I piss off with this comment

Response by LCpl Laurence Puco made Dec 11 at 2019 12:23 PM

LCpl Laurence Puco — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:23:10 -0500

I am a Vietnam Era Vet, but did NOT serve in country, and as such there is a very wide distinction, let's be honest; there is a difference.

Response by Maj Wayne Crist made Dec 11 at 2019 12:33 PM

Maj Wayne Crist — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:33:21 -0500

Simple I was Vietnam Era Vet. Nothing hard about this question. IN country Vietnam Vet. OUT - V Era vet.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 11 at 2019 3:40 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:40:21 -0500

I’d rather be addressed as vet if anything, and I was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t say Iraqi or Afghani vet. I’m an open book; anyone who wants to know can ask. I don’t want special recognition or a title.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 11 at 2019 4:55 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 16:55:18 -0500

Can we just not use their names?

Response by CDR John Rickards made Dec 11 at 2019 6:45 PM

CDR John Rickards — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:45:36 -0500

Only those in-country or on ships offshore or participated in air ops over Vietnam are Vietnam Vets. Just serving on active duty does not qualify ecept as Vet-era Vets,

Response by SP5 Ed Lee made Dec 12 at 2019 1:24 AM

SP5 Ed Lee — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:24:51 -0500

I was in Belgium but when going thru bus stations in Conus, I got spit on, shoved, screamed at so I know.....I gave up on this fight, when asked if I was overseas I just say yes, and if asked tell them Belgium. More of us were all thru Europe and Korea than actually in Viet Nam. My contribution was that my first job was in Personnel and I helped send people to Vietnam. I just wear a flag and the word Veteran on my jacket. Any more, few people ask about it.

Response by PO2 Ron Willis made Dec 12 at 2019 1:41 AM

PO2 Ron Willis — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:41:57 -0500

I signed up in 1965, navy, following the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, intending to serve in aviation (carriers), in the S. China sea. The navy had different plans for me. My MOS was Aviation Ordnance, almost a sure thing for sea duty, but I spent my post-training service in frigging San Diego. NAS Miramar, running the pistol range, qualifying aviators with their side-arms.
Despite repeated requests for sea-duty, I was denied every time. A real "Catch 22." I call myself a Vietnam Era vet. After discharge, I spent the next 37 years as a cop. A different kind of war.

Response by Joe Hunt made Dec 12 at 2019 12:17 PM

Joe Hunt — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:17:12 -0500

Such a difficult question to answer with a "yes" or "no".

In general, I think the distinction of the two is fair. But I don't think either really makes clear the "combat" exposure, particularly to a civilian.

I think those of us who served in Vietnam and combat want and deserve to be recognized for that aspect of our service, as do all combat Veterans of all wars.

I currently work with the Veteran community. I find that most Vietnam Veterans, and all other Veterans, have their own way of destinguishing themselves, and unless they are deliberately trying to deceive, I'm fine with their own self-designation. It usually is expressed with additional information that makes clear where and in what capacity they serviced.

I want to be recognized as a Vietnam Combat Veteran, but I don't want to diminish those who served, but not in a combat role. Can I have that both ways?

Response by PO3 Mark Sartor made Dec 12 at 2019 12:52 PM

PO3 Mark Sartor — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:52:32 -0500

As a Vietnam Era Veteran (Navy) I agree that we Vietnam Era Veterans should not be considered as Vietnam Veterans. I was at civilian work Many many years ago, and they wanted me to sign a form indicating that I was a Vietnam veteran. I said no way. Hats off to those who endured fighting in Vietnam.

Response by PO3 Mark Sartor made Dec 12 at 2019 12:55 PM

PO3 Mark Sartor — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:55:55 -0500

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Response by TSgt Joshua Hairston made Dec 12 at 2019 6:30 PM

TSgt Joshua Hairston — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:30:06 -0500

It'd be like if I said I was an Afghanistan Vet...I served during, but not in country; i just wouldn't feel right. Iraq, I can claim that.

Response by TSgt Michael Yonts made Dec 12 at 2019 8:27 PM

TSgt Michael Yonts — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 20:27:17 -0500

My personal opinion if they served during the war, they are vietnam vets. I was at Danang from 69-70 and depended on people in the states to get supplies and anything else I needed. Maybe they weren't in country but they served. I have never heard anyone called a WWII era vet, or a Korean War era vet, so whats the problem.

Response by Lt Col Leo Shockley made Dec 12 at 2019 11:39 PM

Lt Col Leo Shockley — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:39:46 -0500

I enlisted on 2 Nov 1973, while the Vietnam War was still going on but was winding down. Although I am a Vietnam- Era vet, I would never call myself that. I was never in country. The war went from November 1, 1955 – April 30, 1975

Response by MSgt Gary Cooley made Dec 13 at 2019 2:25 PM

MSgt Gary Cooley — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 14:25:31 -0500

I typically identify Vietnam Vets as in country engaged with combat operations, we say Veteran but specify Gulf War Veteran when addressing a Veteran who served in the AOR, but I do realize many Vietnam Era vets who never set foot in Vietnam indirectly supported combat operations whether it was training future recruits, supplies, training or hauling in and out of Germany, but just like modern day to earn the distinction of combat you have to be in a combat zone.

Response by PO3 Charles Hunt made Dec 13 at 2019 6:13 PM

PO3 Charles Hunt — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 18:13:19 -0500

No way! I served but never left the States. 73-77. I will never call myself a Vietnam Veteran. My ballcap says US Navy, Vietnam Era Veteran

Response by MSgt Gary Petersen made Dec 13 at 2019 7:55 PM

MSgt Gary Petersen — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 19:55:04 -0500

I always say I'm a Viet Nam era vet. I may explain the difference if needed.

Response by SGT Robert Pryor made Dec 15 at 2019 6:23 AM

SGT Robert Pryor — Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:23:07 -0500

Nope.

Response by 1LT William Treadway made Dec 15 at 2019 10:59 AM

1LT William Treadway — Sun, 15 Dec 2019 10:59:54 -0500

As a veteran of the Vietnam war I certainly draw a distinction between someone who was in during that time and someone who did a tour in Vietnam. When I run across someone with a Vietnam campaign ribbon I’ll ask them what they did. There were roughly 500,000 US military in Vietnam at different times and, usually, less than 50,000 worked on the pointy end. Army structure at that time only put about 10% in combat jobs.

Response by CPT Carlos Ribadeneira made Dec 15 at 2019 4:59 PM

CPT Carlos Ribadeneira — Sun, 15 Dec 2019 16:59:54 -0500

Reading your comments made me think about WWI WWII, and Korean War veterans. Was there a distinction between those who serve in theater, and those who didn't? I have never heard the term WWII era vet, or Korean War era vet? When and why the bickering and disrespect over a label began? Also, do you know that when you die, your government issued tombstone will say "Vietnam," whether you serve in country or not? To me that says "WE ARE ALL JUST VETS." How about we just stop minimizing other vets' service. Remember that although they took the same oath, they didn't have the control where they'll serve.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2019 5:03 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Dec 2019 17:03:56 -0500

I say if you're a Vet you are a Vet and shouldn't be looked down on if you weren't in combat. I've seen some act as if others service wasn't as important because the weren't in country. The ones that served in country wouldn't been able to do their jobs without the other supporting MOS's. So yes you are a Vietnam Vet. I do draw a distinction between combat and non-combat Vet's tho. I think there should be a an asterix or some kind special designation for combat Vets. Not ever being in combat, I can only imagine how it would be having your buddy's guts being blown out in front of you, or doing the same to another person.

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made Dec 16 at 2019 10:06 AM

LTC Charles Patchin — Mon, 16 Dec 2019 10:06:44 -0500

As a former veteran's service officer and member of a lot of vets organizations the term Vietnam Veteran indicates a timeframe. I believe the best example is Vietnam Veterans of America having a membership criteria of having served during the Vietnam War.
My wife is a Vietnam Vet and she was in the Army Medical Corps, was spit on, called Baby Killer and War Monger, volunteered for Vietnam and was assigned to Ft Sill. She wore our uniform, got the same shit we did and is just as proud as we are that served In-Country.

Response by MSG Neverson Dollar made Dec 17 at 2019 7:29 AM

MSG Neverson Dollar — Tue, 17 Dec 2019 07:29:06 -0500

no that diminishes the guys that actually went and served in South East Asia. 2 its insulting to both parties. Understandably there are a lot of guys who wanted and volunteered to go but did not go or got redirected. again this would diminished the actual Vietnam Veterans , pissed

Response by A1C Riley Sanders made Dec 18 at 2019 12:42 PM

A1C Riley Sanders — Wed, 18 Dec 2019 12:42:52 -0500

No, Sorry , Era means you were active during the time of the Vietnam War, Vietnam Vets means they were in Country meaning in Vietnam .
Hope that in not confusing.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Dec 24 at 2019 7:57 AM

1SG Ernest Stull — Tue, 24 Dec 2019 07:57:52 -0500

ERA, to me means that we were serving in the Military during the
Nam era, not necessarily in Vietnam. However a serviceman or woman who served during this time should be honored to have served along side a Veteran who was in Vietnam. The cold war was still in full bloom so you were doing your bit. But to be honest No I am not a Vietnam Veteran because I never served in country.

Response by LT Marsha Holden made Dec 27 at 2019 3:46 AM

LT Marsha Holden — Fri, 27 Dec 2019 03:46:32 -0500

Some of us are lucky,I.e. not to be in harms way. Some of us were called to serve in country. I’m happy for those who did not have to be subject to the true horror of war,but it’s still by chance that
some of us were exempt. I was a nurse and knew I was going to Vietnam be it hospital ship or aid station. I did it and then came back. It was awful and I would not want anyone else to be subject to the
duty I pulled ever! I think that’s enough for everyone! Good if y’all were able to do something else for us while we were there. Being called a Vietnam vet is nice but I don’t like talking about what I did there
as I am sure no one else does. Everyone else is a Vietnam Era vet as far as I’m concerned.
I was there 1970 to 1978

Lt Marsha T Holden

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Dec 27 at 2019 8:28 AM

SFC Mark Klaers — Fri, 27 Dec 2019 08:28:30 -0500

Since they got the rawest of raw deals, I say they deserve the distinction.

Response by SGT Edward Murie made Jan 2 at 2020 11:08 AM

SGT Edward Murie — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 11:08:09 -0500

All Vets should be call vets regardlee of the country they was in, Vietnam Vet, Germany Vet, Middle East Vet etc. These Vets need to be honor, they gave their life for American people

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Jan 8 at 2020 7:58 AM

SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 07:58:08 -0500

I always make the distinction that while I was "tapped" on levies to go TWICE, I never did go because at the time I was awaiting decision on "Special Orders" that were considered a higher priority than a trip to "Nam". I am therefore a Viet-Nam ERA vet. I make no apologies and do not desire to claim something that is not what it was. I do, however, feel that it is NOT right that certain benefits are denied those who were in jeopardy of going but never did. Not everyone who served and faced the possibility of going went overseas during previous wars either. I don't think there was a separation of respect in those days; but these days economics play a bigger role in the governments actions than any honorable reason.

I also DID suffer the same sort of abuse in those days just because of the uniform we were required to wear travelling (except if you got to travel Cat Z or such). So while those of you who did serve "in country" are a special bunch, I do not consider myself any less than you simply because I ended up being JUST an "ERA" vet. The Army determined that what I was being sent to do was more important, and of that I am proud to have served in that capacity.

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Jan 14 at 2020 12:30 PM

SGT Ronald Audas — Tue, 14 Jan 2020 12:30:52 -0500

Never been to New York,never wanted to be.Never been to Vietnam,never wanted to be. I spent 13 months on the DMZ in Korea.Been shot at,shot back at .That was during the Vietnam era.I am a Vietnam era veteran.Nothing more,nothing less.Love my Vietnam brothers ,sisters and what they endured.

Response by SGT Bob Straub made Jan 16 at 2020 9:56 AM

SGT Bob Straub — Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:56:42 -0500

I served with the 11th Cav in Vietnam '67-68. Calling someone a Vietnam Vet who who was in the military at the time but was not in country smacks of Stolen Valor and is factually incorrect.

Response by SSgt Julie Fiddaman made Jan 17 at 2020 12:28 PM

SSgt Julie Fiddaman — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 12:28:47 -0500

Yes as I was stationed on Guam during the time they were transporting Vietnamese to the States. Very busy time and I feel we contributed during this situation.

Response by SSG Gary Runcie made Jan 18 at 2020 10:04 PM

SSG Gary Runcie — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 22:04:59 -0500

I was in 1971 to 1987 my first orders were to Vietnam but were changed to Okinawa at Oakland repo depot. I am a Vietnam era vet and will never claim to be anything else.

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Jan 19 at 2020 12:16 AM

SPC Arthur Lowder — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 00:16:39 -0500

vietnam vets are in a CLASS of their OWN.???

Response by PO2 Ron Burling made Jan 19 at 2020 9:00 AM

PO2 Ron Burling — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 09:00:03 -0500

I totally Agree, Vietnam Vets are those who were 'boots-on-the ground'.

Response by SGT Lewis Ray Rains made Jan 19 at 2020 4:41 PM

SGT Lewis Ray Rains — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 16:41:56 -0500

NO, Vets who did Not serve "in Country" should not be refered to as VIETNAM Veterans. However, if any of the Brother's & Sister's who served "during" that time/ERA, should be allowed to say/show that they did serve during that time/ERA, and that They, also, signed that "blank check""!!!!! ANYONE that says the are/were a Vietnam Veteran is in the wrong. To declare that they served during, is NOT trying to misrepresent there Honorable Service!! I AM & WILL ALWAYS BE, AN HONERABLY DISCHARGED, VIETNAM ERA VETERAN WHO PROUDLY SERVED MY COUNTRY & DID WHAT I WAS ASKED/ ORDERED/ TOLD, TO DO & WENT WHERE THEY SENT ME!!!

Response by LTC Lee Bouchard made Jan 20 at 2020 8:21 PM

LTC Lee Bouchard — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 20:21:11 -0500

There is a difference between the two. Looking back we hear more often than not do we identify someone as a WW ll vet. Not often do we hear (WW ll-era) vet. Same holds true when addressing a Korean Vet. How often are they referred to as an era?

The word era refers to a period in time. A V.N. veteran refers to a person. What may matter more to the V.A. and Veteran Service organization's is if the veteran is a (combat veteran) Infantry. It matters because of where he was and what he was doing or exposed to. Agent Orange and PSTD for example.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Jan 21 at 2020 12:41 PM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Tue, 21 Jan 2020 12:41:24 -0500

I am one of those Vietnam era veterans. I don't ever take credit for Vietnam war service and will correct anyone who assumes that I'm a war vet. I drive a van for the DAV that transports a lot of Vietnam vets to the VA hospital in Birmingham. I wear a veteran's cap. I have three of them that I change out once in a while. One is a 287th MP Berlin Brigade veterans cap. One is a Military Police cap with Crossed Pistols and a Badge, the third one simply says ARMY. When people ask me where I served, I tell the truth. I consider myself to be one of the luckiest soldiers on earth. I turned 18 in 1969. My number never came up for the draft. I enlisted in 1974 and was sent to the Presidio of San Fransico where a lot of Vietnam war wounded were brought to Letterman Hospital. But I didn't go to Nam. I participated in Operation New Arrivals and Operation Baby lift that brought refugees and orphans from Vietnam. But I didn't go to Nam. When we went into Panama I was in Korea. When we went into Grenada I was in Berlin. When we went into Desert Storm I was a Drill Sgt at Ft McClellan. When we went into Rwanda I was the Rear Area Operations Sergeant for the 29th ASG that ran the operation in Rwanda. Then finally when I was out processing for my retirement in '95 my former unit deployed to Hungary in support of the Bosnia mission. Almost twenty-two years in service and I missed every conflict in the world from Vietnam to Bosnia because I was "mission essential" for most of my career. I'm not a war hero, but I served. As an MP I was shot at a couple of times and had knives pulled on me, not by the enemy but by fellow soldiers. Lucky for me and for the bad guys no one died. I'm not a hero, I'm not a Vietnam War vet. And I will never claim to be. I know a lot of war vets and I respect what they went through. I'm not going to take that away by saying I'm a Vietnam. Gulf war or Bosnia veteran. Maybe I should just be called a Cold War Warrior?

Response by CWO3 Warren Gaudreau made Jan 22 at 2020 8:03 AM

CWO3 Warren Gaudreau — Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:03:02 -0500

If you were in service but don't have a combat ribbon, no. You are a Vietnam era veteran.

Response by SPC Valerie Callahan made Jan 22 at 2020 10:53 AM

SPC Valerie Callahan — Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:53:14 -0500

Your a veteran... Therefore I call you brother❤️

Response by CPT Wayne Price made Jan 27 at 2020 2:37 AM

CPT Wayne Price — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 02:37:42 -0500

I went where the Army sent me, I don’t recall them asking me where I wanted to be sent.

Response by SPC Melanie Vancegonzalez made Jan 27 at 2020 10:53 PM

SPC Melanie Vancegonzalez — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 22:53:37 -0500

The VA bases veteran eligibility on wartime periods.
Mexican Border period (May 9, 1916, to April 5, 1917, for Veterans who served in Mexico, on its borders, or in adjacent waters)
World War I (April 6, 1917, to November 11, 1918)
World War II (December 7, 1941, to December 31, 1946)
Korean conflict (June 27, 1950, to January 31, 1955)
Vietnam War era (February 28, 1961, to May 7, 1975, for Veterans who served in the Republic of Vietnam during that period. August 5, 1964, to May 7, 1975, for Veterans who served outside the Republic of Vietnam.)
Gulf War (August 2, 1990, through a future date to be set by law or presidential proclamation)
OIF/OEF 2001 to present.
So those who served between 1961 to 1975 whether in country or out are considered Vietnam Era Veterans.

Response by SMSgt Edmund Pokorski made Jan 28 at 2020 12:43 PM

SMSgt Edmund Pokorski — Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:43:57 -0500

I joined the USAF 18 Nov 1962. I watched the Cuban Crisis unfold on TV at the ripe and tender age
of 18. Just out of High School and not going to college I thought going into the Military would be an honorable move, thinking we were surely going to war. I had 14 Uncles. 12 were in WWII. 1 in the
Korean War and 1 just out of basic at end of the Korean War. Viet Nam grew more intense after things settled over Cuba. I had married friends going to Nam. I figured if I went I could keep at least one family together. During my next 3 years, I volunteered 3 times to no avail. I never went. Maybe that was a good thing. I lost a lot of AF Buddies and numerous high school friends there. I went to several other crazy spots but none in combat. As another respondent said, anyone in at the time could have gone. For the ones that didn't, it was no fault of theirs. Sheer numbers of Military Members, luck or what ever. But, the opportunity was real. No, I never went. No, I was never in combat. But, my job in the USAF was to feed the troops going over, especially the Pilots. And burying their remains when they came back in a box. I don't want to be recognized as a combatant, but what I did and many other guys that had similar tough jobs will always feel a part of the Viet Nam War.

Response by SP5 Steven Slater made Jan 30 at 2020 10:44 AM

SP5 Steven Slater — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:44:03 -0500

I'm a Viet Nam vet and wish to be known as such. Regardless of where you served, you are a Vet. Some people consider Viet Nam as a conflict. If you look up the definition of Conflict and War, you'll see the response is the same.
If I had to do it all again, absolutely I'd serve. If it kept my children out of a war, there's no doubt.

Response by SSgt Hal Kiah made Feb 2 at 2020 11:41 PM

SSgt Hal Kiah — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 23:41:08 -0500

When I enlisted, Nam was still in effect. But I was never deployed there, But, when my first tour was over, i was told that i was considered by Uncle Sam to be a Vietnam Era veteran. I first had questioned this, as i wasnt there, and those that Were deserve the recognition. Over the years, I have asked other actual Nam vets how They felt about the distinction.
Many of them told me that I should at the very least, wear the Nam Era hat, it brings recognition to their stake in that time. So I DO wear that hat. Many also felt that if I was in During that time, then I should Also wear the Nam veterans hat as well. But out of an abundance of respect, I'll just stay with the Era hat, it's enough for me. Besides, if someone recognizes me for my service, and that time, I thank them for recognizing those who Were there, and for supporting our troops today.

Response by SP5 Jim Hatch made Feb 12 at 2020 9:13 PM

SP5 Jim Hatch — Wed, 12 Feb 2020 21:13:06 -0500

No one has said anything about the cold war vet's

Response by PO3 Donald Wright made Feb 14 at 2020 1:37 PM

PO3 Donald Wright — Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:37:05 -0500

Viet Nam era vets are just that, Viet Nam era vets. You have to be there to be called Viet Nam vet.

Response by Sgt Stephen Brown made Feb 15 at 2020 1:19 PM

Sgt Stephen Brown — Sat, 15 Feb 2020 13:19:32 -0500

We all served for a reason. Didn’t make any difference If you were drafted or joined You went and did what you were told to do. We really didn’t have a choice and to the average person they had no idea what you did. For all they knew everyone in uniform had been in combat. Anyone in during WWll and Korea are referred to as that, WWll or Korea Veterans. So what makes Vietnam or any of the others any different ? Everyone who put the uniform on had a mission. I would hate to think what the grunts would’ve had if it weren’t for the support personnel doing what they did.

Response by CPL Rickie Byers made Feb 15 at 2020 7:46 PM

CPL Rickie Byers — Sat, 15 Feb 2020 19:46:07 -0500

I am an 11B Vietnam Vet and proud of it. I do not expect anyone to show reverence to that fact I served. Even as badly as Vietnam Vets in general were treated, and my personal belief about the cause and continuation of the Wa,r I would do it again. I served because I thought it was the right thing to do. I did not serve because I expected to be honored on my return. I proudly wear my Vietnam Veterans hat as a means of meeting other Vets. We share a unique experience regardless of our personal political views then or now. I met a young man at our local big box store who saw my Vietnam Veteran hat and thanked me for my service and told me his Uncle was a Vietnam Vet but was only a truck driver. I should have said something then but I went back the next day to say to the gentleman that his was Uncle was not "just a truck driver". He as a Vietnam Vet and should be proud regardless of his occupation. We are kindred spirits all.

Response by SPC George Migliore made Feb 16 at 2020 11:24 PM

SPC George Migliore — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 23:24:41 -0500

I also service from 1970 to 1973 regular Army and was ordered to go to Germany while others in basic with me was order to go to Nam . After a year I volunteer to go to Nam and while in route was diverted to the states . I was a Tanker I was ordered to go with 1st infantry Division to Kansas. So some of us didn’t served in Nam. So I just classified myself as a Cold War Veteran . I also went in the Army Reserve for two years that the National Guard for two years than back in the Reserves for two more years . Armored Crewman three years and MP for six years. Than retired from local , state and federal police. I service my country all my life from the age 18 to age 65 . And don’t feel appreciated from my country. Tried to get benefits from injuries received while in service and was denied cause they lost my medical records. Drought this for over 30 years even had photos of me with my arm in a sling . Now my Medicare takes better care than the VA . I also work for the VA police and got disabled off duty and had to contact my congressman to get disable from them. I love my country , but my country takes care of illegals and criminals better than their veterans. I have to pay for my Medicare an pay to send my two daughters through private school and college. While I see all these none US citizens go to school free on our tax money.

Response by SPC George Migliore made Feb 16 at 2020 11:33 PM

SPC George Migliore — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 23:33:43 -0500

Remember the Iron Curtain . We won that war we prevented World War III. You think it was fun ? I don’t . I don’t call myself a Nam veteran . I’m a Cold War veteran and proud of it.

Response by SPC George Migliore made Feb 16 at 2020 11:36 PM

SPC George Migliore — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 23:36:10 -0500

Don’t get me wrong I love all veterans doesn’t matter where you serve. Sound like someone is trying to make the draft dodgers hero’s.

Response by Pvt SanJuana Méndez made Feb 19 at 2020 7:01 AM

Pvt SanJuana Méndez — Wed, 19 Feb 2020 07:01:13 -0500

SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD, I agree with everyone who responded here. ONLY those who were exposed to combat & Agent Orange should be called Vietnam vets. There are many of us during that era but there IS a difference between the two.

It took me 28 yrs after being discharged to hold my my head high & proudly say I'm a veteran, I'm as humbled today as I was 20 yrs ago whenever anyone had/has acknowledged my having served. Evenso, I've been quick to make the distinction when anyone calls ME a Vietnam veteran, same way I've done with anyone who calls this Hispanic-American a Mexican-American.

I've been tested by several people who've tried to expose me as a poser by asking where I trained & what my MOS was. When asked where I trained, I explain that women Marines ONLY train at Parris Island SC. When asked about MOS, I reply that I was a recruit & explain that I didn't serve long enough to have been assigned an MOS.

I had one occasion in which a fellow veteran saw the back of my head cover. Seeing it read "Vietnam veteran," he asked where in Vietnam I served. I turned around & showed him front of my hat read "Vietnam Era Veteran" so he'd see I wasn't pretending to be something I wasn't. On another more recent occasion, a woman veteran challenged my right to call myself a veteran & couldn't even be bothered with any explanations. That instance hurt me more 'cause it reminded me of MY stolen valor.

I had misfortune of being firstborn of 7 children raised in one family & being raised believing firstborn is responsible for younger orphaned siblings. I also had misfortune of becoming family matron one wk after reporting to Basic, when our widowed (5 yrs) mother was killed in traffic accident. Greatest misfortune at that time was that only military MEN are offered hardship discharge. When I failed to focus on being trained, it was decided I should be returned to civilian life but I was not given option to return to active duty once I'd fulfilled my familial duty.

At any rate, I'm adamant about distinction between Vietnam veteran & Vietnam era veteran 'cause I know the difference. I only served DURING that time but married a man who saw combat, was tortured & tormented 19 months by the enemy, was "Sprayed & Betrayed," came home to be thanked with physical & verbal abuse, & ultimately disavowed by a "grateful nation." Long & short of it all is I'm grateful to Vietnam vets, those who served before them, those who served after that pointless war & those who continue serving even tho they needn't have served in yrs after Vietnam War. If not for the sacrifice of those, I couldn't call myself a veteran. ...AND I'm always mindful of those around my age (suffice to say I'm also a Baby Boomer) who wear anything indicating they're veterans, "Welcome home," to make up for welcome they got when they returned.

Response by SSgt Paul Beck made Feb 20 at 2020 8:25 PM

SSgt Paul Beck — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 20:25:00 -0500

I spent from 05/1969 to 05/1973 in the U. S. Navy and from 05/1973 to 06/1979 in the U. S. Marine Corpse. And never served in Vietnam. But, yes I am a Vietnam "era" Veteran & have 100% VA Disability status for Mental Health problems derived from my service, although it took over thirty yrs to surface and caused me to attempt taking my own life....sometimes I'm even glad I failed!

Response by SSG Tom Montgomery made Feb 24 at 2020 12:38 AM

SSG Tom Montgomery — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 00:38:53 -0500

In my opinion, as a Vietnam vet, I would say no. Just recognize us as fellow fellow veterans.

Response by A1C John Schaub made Feb 26 at 2020 6:34 PM

A1C John Schaub — Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:34:53 -0500

you were in the service during the period of conflict where you were assigned was luck of the draw. You are still a veteran from that period of time. this is a differentiation that is caused by the Veteran organizations as one specifies you had to be in country during the conflict to qualify for membership. actually thank congress for that as they chartered it that way.

Response by SPC Mark DuCre made Feb 27 at 2020 5:50 PM

SPC Mark DuCre — Thu, 27 Feb 2020 17:50:25 -0500

You go where the military sends you, with no regard for your feelings or your outcome, JUST THAT YOU GO!! If you weren't sent to a combat zone and we (the U.S.) are in strungout combat campaigns fighting an enemy. All who served, support or combat should be at least receive recognition for their DIRECT support to the larger mission.

Response by SPC Albert Blosser made Feb 28 at 2020 12:02 AM

SPC Albert Blosser — Fri, 28 Feb 2020 00:02:52 -0500

Response by LCpl James Murray made Feb 29 at 2020 10:37 AM

LCpl James Murray — Sat, 29 Feb 2020 10:37:18 -0500

I'm Viet era vet and feel that I don't deserve the same reconciliation that they do and correct people all the time to make sure that I don't take any of their glory.

Response by SGT Jay Costanzo Sr made Mar 3 at 2020 4:03 PM

SGT Jay Costanzo Sr — Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:03:26 -0500

Yes, as long as they aren’t doing like my State Senator did, claiming to have been in country, only to have to admit later he misspoke.

Response by SGT Jay Costanzo Sr made Mar 3 at 2020 4:04 PM

SGT Jay Costanzo Sr — Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:04:24 -0500

Yes, as long as they aren’t claiming to have been in country, like my State Senators did, only o have to later say he misspoke

Response by PO2 Rich Phillips made Mar 5 at 2020 7:36 AM

PO2 Rich Phillips — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 07:36:31 -0500

I am a "Vietnam Era Vet" merely because I enlisted in 1973 and the war was not technically over. Unless a servicemen has served in country during hostilities he or she is not a Vietnam Vet.

Response by SFC James C. Wheeler made Mar 5 at 2020 10:28 AM

SFC James C. Wheeler — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 10:28:40 -0500

I respect any fellow military veteran who has served our country. I do feel strongly that there should be a distinction between Vietnam era service as opposed to a Vietnam veteran who served in the actual conflict and theater of operations.

We have the same situation with anyone who happened to be in the military during other wars or conflicts. They were not deployed or involved in the actual fighting of these wars but they were in the service during the same time period.

Response by Gregory Coleridge made Mar 5 at 2020 11:41 AM

Gregory Coleridge — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 11:41:37 -0500

What difference does it make. I serverd 3 toure in the NAM! And went on to server a total of 26 years.

Response by CPT Don Palmer made Mar 5 at 2020 3:39 PM

CPT Don Palmer — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:39:11 -0500

I served on the USS Constellation for one tour in Vietnam and got harassed, spat on and called all the names. But what irritated me the most was the ground pounder trying to tell me that I wasn’t a Vietnam vet.

Response by SFC Nelson Martin made Mar 5 at 2020 6:41 PM

SFC Nelson Martin — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:41:00 -0500

I am a Vietnam Vet and served most of my tour at a place called LZ Uplift, attached out to the 173rd. There is a special distinction between Vietnam Vet and a Vietnam-era Vet. That being Vietnam Vets served in Vietnam and Vietnam-era Vets did not. Case closed. By using the name Vietnam Vet takes on a special pride not really deserved and it is misleading people. It makes people think that you served in a combat zone when you didn't. Let's keep the distinction clear.

Response by SFC Nelson Martin made Mar 5 at 2020 6:50 PM

SFC Nelson Martin — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:50:13 -0500

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2020 7:00 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:00:48 -0500

In WWII you were a WWII Vet regardless of where you served, even if it was a warehouse state side. You were still did your part for the war effort. Everyone who was in uniform during the time of Nam is a Viet Nam Era Vet period. But the word Viet Nam is more specific than the broader WWII designation. You can claim to be a WWII Vet if you were in that state side warehouse but you would never say you were a Pacific Island Campaign Vet.

Response by MSgt Manuel Smith made Mar 5 at 2020 7:25 PM

MSgt Manuel Smith — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:25:14 -0500

Why the need to continue to separate and segregate the men and women honorable service to our nation. If you serve no matter when you serve you served. What's next we give them an extra cookie. Seems silly to me.

Response by 1SG Joseph Dartey made Mar 5 at 2020 9:08 PM

1SG Joseph Dartey — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 21:08:31 -0500

Even though I enlisted in the Army in 1974 and served for 24 1/2 years, I don't consider myself as a Vietnam Era Veteran, I didn't serve in country. I belong a a group in Lynchburg Va known as the Monument Terrace Troop Rally, where we meet every Friday in from of the Desmond T Doss Memorial to shop our continued support for our troops who have, are currently serving and those no longer with us. There was an organization that sponsored an event called Welcome Home Vietnam and Vietnam Era Veterans, in which I attended to support our Vietnam Veterans. When they called for all Vietnam Vets and Era Vets to come on state, I remained seated. One of the Vets saw me setting and said, "you were in during Nam" and I said yes, but I wasn't in Nam". He said it doesn't matter, you supported us in other ways, so get your ass up there. I reluctantly went on stage and was handed a pin, that I felt I didn't deserve, but I took it. I kept that pin in my pocket and when I saw the first REAL Vietnam Vet, I took the pin out of my pocket, placed it in the palm of my hand, shook his hand and said "Welcome Home Brother." The look on his face made his day. So no, I'm no Vietnam Vet.

Response by CPT Ed Burns made Mar 5 at 2020 10:35 PM

CPT Ed Burns — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 22:35:10 -0500

Having been on the logistics side during the war I know it took a lot of folks stateside to support what we were doing in country. I would say they deserve to be addressed as Vietnam Vets....just as long as they don’t wear a Vietnam Vet cap with the 3 embroidered ribbons. They do sell Vietnam Era caps.

Response by MSgt Philip Mulligan made Mar 6 at 2020 2:59 AM

MSgt Philip Mulligan — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 02:59:06 -0500

No. While I grant that they could have been sent there, they weren't, and, even as Vietnam Era veterans, they still got the same benefits as did we, who were actually sent.

Response by PO3 Ron Cowher made Mar 6 at 2020 1:17 PM

PO3 Ron Cowher — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:17:06 -0500

How about this as a simple test ? Did you receive combat pay during Vietnam ?
While I was never "in-country", the aircraft carrier I was on sure sent a lot of planes with ordinance to Vietnam. I guess I can be considered a member of "The Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club" anyway. BTW, I did receive combat pay, so Uncle Sam must have considered me a "Vietnam Vet".

Response by CPL Gail White made Mar 6 at 2020 3:42 PM

CPL Gail White — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 15:42:17 -0500

A veteran is a veteran. We all wore uniforms. Are we going to start addressing them as Purple Heart veteran and silver star veteran or good conduct veteran? Where will the lines eventually be enough?

Response by SFC Frank Cranford made Mar 6 at 2020 5:19 PM

SFC Frank Cranford — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 17:19:19 -0500

Absolutely not, I served two tours in Vietnam, and received two Purple Hearts. I was sprayed with Agent Orange and paying the price with my health. Every person that wore the uniform of their respective branch earned the right to be respected and many of Americans treated us like dirt, but that doesn’t changed the fact that their boots never hit the ground.

Response by CW4 Jeffrey Sumners made Mar 6 at 2020 6:11 PM

CW4 Jeffrey Sumners — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 18:11:51 -0500

No, it implies you were actually in Vietnam. I don't call myself a Granda Vet or a Panama Vet. I was else where.

Response by MSG Izy Veguillacruz made Mar 6 at 2020 6:33 PM

MSG Izy Veguillacruz — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 18:33:03 -0500

Absolutely not, only if they served in country.

Response by SGT Harold Watson made Mar 6 at 2020 6:59 PM

SGT Harold Watson — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 18:59:59 -0500

I served 8 months in the Army at Hanau, Germany and served 14 months in Vietnam. Just take the word Vietnam out of it and just call us all Veterans who served during the Vietnam War

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Mar 6 at 2020 7:35 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 19:35:01 -0500

As a Vietnam Vet, I prefer to be addressed as a Veteran. It does not make any difference what war you served IN or DURING, you are always a Veteran. If you think that having been a particular war was more important than the others, I feel sorry for you. Most people who MUST be recognized for a particular war are usually guilty of Stolen Valor and never served at all.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Mar 6 at 2020 7:38 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 19:38:40 -0500

Just because you did not serve IN THE WAR does not make you any less a Veteran. You served where your country needed yo to be.

Response by SFC Carlos Gamino made Mar 6 at 2020 8:43 PM

SFC Carlos Gamino — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 20:43:31 -0500

You much free time to be thinking as such thing.

Response by SPC Boyd McFail made Mar 7 at 2020 12:54 AM

SPC Boyd McFail — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 00:54:32 -0500

in 1971 I was drafted into the Army. I thought my world as I knew it would end in Vietnam. It did not I got stationed in Ft Wainwright Alaska. My world did change but only for the better as I fell in love with the state and have lived here ever since.

As far as being a Vietnam Vet, I will never claim that. Why? Because to many of my brothers and sisters served in country and some never came home. Me on the other hand never got shot at in anger nor had to shoot at any enemy. I had to deal with having a town and bars that I could visit any time I wanted.

I was an era vet but never a Vietnam Vet and I'll never be one. Those brothers and sisters that were in country will forever be Vietnam Vets, not me.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2020 9:11 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 09:11:38 -0500

I served from 71 till 78. Part of that was a tour on Okinawa, which I considered was in the area. I consider myself as an ‘Era’ and not a Vietnam Vet as I did not serve in combat. I always make that distinction!

Response by Sgt Robin Stewart made Mar 7 at 2020 4:58 PM

Sgt Robin Stewart — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 16:58:05 -0500

Vietnam Era refers to a period in time in which many served there country regardless of location, a Vietnam Veteran served within the borders of Vietnam whether under fire or pushing paper it didn't matter. As I was not sent overseas and my assignment was to train others and do community service to promote the military I consider myself a Vietnam ERA veteran.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2020 5:54 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 17:54:22 -0500

I enlisted at the very end of the Vietnam War and didn't have the opportunity to go but I do not consider myself a Vietnam Vet. I do consider myself a Cold War Vet although it has yet to be recognized. I was in when the Salt II Treaty was signed and the next week the Army downsized by 50% and Officers were rifted back their previous rank and my unit 124Maint. BN 2 A.D. at Fort Hood still had the same mission as normally sized unit. Vietnam War Veterans served in Vietnam.

Response by Cpl Clyde Wason made Mar 7 at 2020 8:07 PM

Cpl Clyde Wason — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 20:07:25 -0500

I am a Vietnam Era vet. Those vets who served in Vietnam had a distinctly different experience than "Era" vets. My Camp Lejune permanent duty station time, coupled with my battalion landing team 5 month Med Cruise pale in comparison to in country vets. Personally I am not butt hurt over the distinction.

Response by LCpl Richard Becks made Mar 8 at 2020 10:49 AM

LCpl Richard Becks — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 10:49:23 -0400

We went to the same boot camp training. you got deployed to germany. we got deployed at camp pendleton.for 18 mouth.it was hell with not a thing to do. but clean 105 howitzer. same as me sir you did not see any action. you were lucky you got to travel for free. we were stuck state side

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Mar 8 at 2020 10:57 AM

MSgt George Fillgrove — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 10:57:19 -0400

Ever talk to someone who served in Thailand, Alaska, Germany, Korea or Japan during Vietnam and you will find a veteran with their own "curl your toes" stories of this era.

I hate the term "Era." You know the VA -- hence the U.S. Government -- doesn't make a distinction between in-country and era and that's in accordance with the federal law that defines wartime periods.

In-country and era labels diminish the service of other veterans who served elsewhere during the same period and many of them served in hotspots that are largely forgotten in the shadows of Vietnam. It didn't happen in World War I -- there was just one campaign/service medal for everyone. It didn't happen in World War II -- there were as many as three service medals if you entered the service in 1940 and stayed until the conclusion.

During Desert Shield/Storm and Calm, there was never a distinction between in-county and era because we all contributed to the same effort. Now the "era" thing is happening all over again. I served 12 hour shifts with a C-5A Galaxy unit operating out of the eastern most staging base during Desert Shield/Storm/Calm. My "war" was a constant operations tempo of pax or passengers, cargo and rotating aircraft amid a constant threat of terrorism or other threats. Duties that started six months before Desert Shield and ended six months after the ground war ended, and I'm now I'm just "era?"

Response by PO2 Melonnie Marchak made Mar 8 at 2020 1:02 PM

PO2 Melonnie Marchak — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 13:02:05 -0400

Should be addressed as Vietnam vets

Response by MAJ James Fitzgerald made Mar 8 at 2020 3:20 PM

MAJ James Fitzgerald — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 15:20:07 -0400

Although I always try to share thoughts with humility and thoughtfulness, perhaps I will fail here. You will be the judge.

Lots of people served during the Vietnam ‘era,’ as it were, as pointed out candidly in many other posts. Let me share a short story...where we attend worship, Vet’s are recognized each Veterans Day for serving America...last year or year before, my name was there and it had Vietnam or something similar beside my name. I was aghast! I quickly wrote a note to all the Vet’s and the person responsible for putting out the information, that I never served ‘in’ Vietnam and that my service span should be changed Immediately. I wrote to them that I considered that shameful and an a-front to those who died there, were injured or came back ‘whole,’ only to be ostracized. Anyone who claims to be a Vietnam Vet was there, in country.

It is simply asinine, in my humble view to think that anyone who did not serve ‘in country’ would be called a Vietnam Vet. I can understand some outside military circles Who never served in uniform, who might try to make the association. I doubt that any person who has served in uniform would think that Vietnam Veterans are those who served anywhere other than in the country of Vietnam. This should not even be subject to debate or to be questioned in my view.

Response by PO2 Gary Goodlund made Mar 8 at 2020 3:21 PM

PO2 Gary Goodlund — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 15:21:32 -0400

Well, I have an odd coincidence for you... I was in an American High School in Stuttgart, Germany from 1961-1965 and then in Vietnam for two at-sea tours between 1970 & 1973. I served in the Navy from 1966 to 1976, both ship-board and shore duty.

More to the point though, I feel that if you were serving in the military during the Vietnam Era (I'm not certain exactly what range of years is "Officially" recognized) you're certainly entitled to the Vietnam acknowledgement. The term "Vietnam Vet" relates specifically to those who served in-country.

Response by SPC Marvin Roach made Mar 8 at 2020 3:31 PM

SPC Marvin Roach — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 15:31:19 -0400

Absolutely not. They didn't go through the same crap as we who served there. They are not suffering the effects of agent orange as we are. They didn't live like animals sleeping on the ground when we did get a chance to sleep. They were not forced to survive on cold c rations and two canteens of water a day. Should they be called Vietnam vets. Hell no!

Response by CPT Robert Hoffman made Mar 8 at 2020 3:47 PM

CPT Robert Hoffman — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 15:47:16 -0400

I really do not have any problem with that. I served two tours in-country as a helicopter pilot, but before that, I was an Infantry Officer in a Mech. Division that was tasked with going to Europe if the "Soviet Hordes" started swarming West. Never been there, but became quite familiar with the Fulda Gap. I first really became aware of our involvement in Vietnam when my new Co. Commander was a fixed-wing qualified Infantry Officer with a flying tour in Vietnam. This would have been in mid to late '64 or so. The Country had requirements all over the world and those people that were not in the Vietnam A/O had problems of their own. I have spoken to many Vietnam era vets. that said they had not served in Vietnam. I thanked them for their service and said they had nothing to be ashamed of. I have run into many more people who claimed to have served in Vietnam when they never served anywhere. Those are not hard to spot after a brief conversation. I usually just end the conversation with them. The people that served elsewhere deserve my respect and get it.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Mar 8 at 2020 7:07 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 19:07:20 -0400

I think they should be referred to as VETS! I mean, does it really matter what era, war, or conflict they served in?

Response by Lt Col Bill Fletcher made Mar 8 at 2020 9:20 PM

Lt Col Bill Fletcher — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 21:20:24 -0400

Me too and no, we are Veteran’s of the War in Vietnam. We are Vietnam Era Veterans and Veterans of the Cold War, but I reserve the other terms for folks who served in Vietnam or fought in or over Vietnam.

Response by SFC Jim Hunter made Mar 8 at 2020 9:58 PM

SFC Jim Hunter — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 21:58:03 -0400

They are both veterans, but there is a big difference between them. Personally, I also think there is a difference between Vietnam Veterans and Vietnam Combat Veterans. In modern parlance, it is the difference between "Bob on the FOB" and "Door Kickers". There is a closer relationship between Vietnam grunts and the Door Kickers of Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.

Response by LTC Philip Marlowe made Mar 9 at 2020 12:32 AM

LTC Philip Marlowe — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 00:32:44 -0400

I go by VETERAN. I was in during Viet Nam, enroute to Phang Rang, got detoured to Thailand...missed in-country cbt ops by 6 months. Deployed to Desert Storm/Shield 20 years later as a Captain, didn't escape combat ops that time. RIF'd in '92, deployed in support of Kosovo operations in '94 and again in '02 and was fully engaged in Peace Keeping Ops. SO, what do you call me? A Vietnam ERA Desert Storm KFOR GWOT Veteran? Even spent time in Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan as a civilian supporting 'military operations' in all three AORs. From 1970 to 2012, I hit 'em all in some form or fashion. I don't care if you served in combat or not. You put on the uniform of the United States Armed Forces and you 'stepped up to the plate' and no matter where you served does not make you more or less than anyone else who stepped up to the plate - because at the bottom of the day, ending up in Combat or Peace Keeping operations is the 'luck of the draw'.... some do, some don't. Now, if you NEVER SERVED, then well - that's perhaps another story all together.

Response by CPT Wayne Price made Mar 9 at 2020 12:52 AM

CPT Wayne Price — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 00:52:10 -0400

VietNam era veteran.We didn't choose where we went, the military decided. The differential should be made

Response by CPO Robert Turner made Mar 9 at 2020 8:55 AM

CPO Robert Turner — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 08:55:53 -0400

A Veteran is a Veteran is a Veteran is a Veteran, period!!!!!!!!!!

Response by A1C Riley Sanders made Mar 9 at 2020 9:02 AM

A1C Riley Sanders — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 09:02:56 -0400

Has always been , those who served in Vietnam are Vietnam Veterans, meaning of Era ,Dictionary:
A fixed point of time from which a series of years is reckoned. A period of time reckoned from some particular date. One of the major divisions of geologic time as the Paleozoic era.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Mar 9 at 2020 10:37 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 10:37:07 -0400

If you earned the ribbons and medals for Vietnam, you are a Vietnam Veteran. No such thing as a Vietnam Era Vet. Sounds like stolen valor.

Those of you who served from the late 40s to 1991 in Europe should have a medal/ribbon for serving in The Cold War. I am good with that. War could have broken out at anytime. Same for Korea.

The military has special medals and ribbons for specific things that have occurred and why they do not acknowledge the Cold War is beyond me.

Same goes for the War(s) in the Middle East. I am also a veteran of Iraq, but I do not take credit for anything having to do with Afghanistan or Desert Storm.

Response by 1stSgt Jeff Blovat made Mar 9 at 2020 11:12 AM

1stSgt Jeff Blovat — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 11:12:32 -0400

I think it’s a “earned non official” badge of honor. If you were in country for the conflict. I was active duty in Germany for the first Gulf War but I would rather give the title “Gulf War Veteran” to the soldiers that were in theater. I was in theater for awhile during “Gulf War 2”. Just a way of distinguished conflicts/wars. Just my opinion. I always say, “welcome home” to all Viet Nam vets I meet. And thank you to all who served.

Response by SP5 Larry Stueck made Mar 9 at 2020 12:00 PM

SP5 Larry Stueck — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 12:00:30 -0400

I served in the Army for three years from 1967 to 1970. During my service, I received orders twice to go to Vietnam and both times my brother arrived before me. My orders were changed, to Germany and the second time to Fort Ord. The draft happened before my enlistment. Had I waited, I would have been drafted given my low lottery number. Do I consider myself a Vietnam Vet? Absolutely not. Part of me feels I never served because of not going to Vietnam. Besides my brother serving in Nam, so did three cousins. My dad and six uncles served in WWII. I'll settle for the term "Vietnam Era" but I would never use it. However, I accept and appreciate it when someone says "Thank you for your service." It is a sign of respect for all veterans, a far cry from for how we were treated during the Vietnam War. Those who served in a combat zone are special and should be recognized as such.

Response by SGT Milton Buckhaulter made Mar 9 at 2020 12:16 PM

SGT Milton Buckhaulter — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 12:16:03 -0400

How can you be a Vietnam Vet if you didn't go there? A Vietnam Era Vet did not serve in country so that is the only suitable description for them.

Response by CPT Robert Rybolt made Mar 9 at 2020 2:58 PM

CPT Robert Rybolt — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 14:58:25 -0400

There is a difference between being a veteran and a war veteran, as WWII vets were called.

Response by PO3 Steve Ayola made Mar 9 at 2020 3:00 PM

PO3 Steve Ayola — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 15:00:01 -0400

I always refer to myself as "Vietnam Era". Real simple. I didn't go. Though 90% of my Hospital Corps School classmates went to Field Med, I spent the remainder of the war as a Neuropsychiatric Tech working on the Mental Health Unit, NRMC, Camp Pendelton, and mental health clinics, and ERs serving the guys who actually spent time "in country". I served under a a Navy Psychiatrist who evaluated and treated some of the Marine POWs released from North Vietnam after the war. For myself personally I would consider it "stolen valor" to call myself a "Vietnam Vet."

Response by SN Jay Perry made Mar 9 at 2020 3:41 PM

SN Jay Perry — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 15:41:00 -0400

As a son of a service member who started BEFORE Vietnam, did three cruises to the land of bad things. He is a VETERAN!!! I served during 'peacetime (Lebanon, Grenada, and two trips into the gulf (re flagged tankers))' and I am a VETERAN! My brother did 24 years flying helicopters for the USN, HE is a VETERAN!!! I wrote the check (for the value of my life) to the country and SERVED (where and when is not material to the point!). Neighbors, and brothers of school classmates who served (wherever) are VETERANS! You wrote the check then you are a VETERAN! To tinge someone's service with the less than honorable (or victorious) appellation 'Vietnam' veteran, defames their SERVICE! If you served, you wrote the check...I don't care if you spent 6 years in country or 11 months washing the Commanding Officer's car at Fort Knox, you are VETERAN.

Response by MSG Bob Sanderson made Mar 9 at 2020 5:09 PM

MSG Bob Sanderson — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 17:09:36 -0400

Should be Addressed as Vietnam Era Vets ! Vietnam Vets Were There !

Response by CDR Kenneth Pepper made Mar 9 at 2020 6:20 PM

CDR Kenneth Pepper — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 18:20:31 -0400

WW1 and WW2 vets were called WW1 and WW2 veterans. Where they served wasn't the issue. They served. I've never heard of a Korean War-era veteran. So why this?
There's even an in-country veteran issue. Were you a combatant or, as the Army termed them, a REMF? What difference does it make? They served. There was a war going on. How many REMFs were wounded or killed during enemy attacks on bases, artillery attacks, convoy ambushes? How many front line combatants would have died if REMFers hadn't been there to provide the supplies, medical support, combat assistance calling in a/c or artillery cover and so on?
Getting back to the initial question. Everyone in uniform, whether they realized it or not, were REMFers. If the need arose, and their particular job specialty was needed, they could be called up to go, to fight-or at least be in the combat zone. And die.

Response by SSG David Angell made Mar 9 at 2020 7:18 PM

SSG David Angell — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 19:18:59 -0400

That's an interesting question. I served in the Air Force from 69 to 72.I was stationed in Okinawa with a Fighter Squadron. Our mission was to assist South Korea (F102s) and spent time going TDY. Our sister Squadrons mission was to assist units stationed in Viet Nam (C130s).
During my time at Naha AFB, Okinawa, our unit was also tasked TDY to Viet Nam. The Airmen tasked to Viet Nam were in the Maintenance/repair section. My duty was working Engine trouble shooting, or working the Flight line. So needless to say, i wasn't selected to go TDY, which I volunteered.
To this date, some 50 years later, I consider myself a Viet Nam ERA veteran, a Viet Nam Vet. I won't judge a person who didn't serve in Viet Nam, permanent or TDY, a Viet Nam veteran, but if he wants to consider himself that, then that is on him.

Response by PO3 Thomas Genzale made Mar 9 at 2020 8:52 PM

PO3 Thomas Genzale — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 20:52:47 -0400

I served in Vietnam in 67 68 as a Navy corpsman. When I was processed out at Treasure Island 13 months later we all went out to dinner at a restaurant a local restaurant. We ordered our food and then the owner came over to us and said I understand that you guys are back from Vietnam I can see it by the ribbons you have. He said to us order whatever you want the meal is on me. This is the greeting I got which is a rare greeting when I returned from Vietnam. At that time I didn't realize the amount of Vietnam Vets getting a horrible greeting when they got home. Also Vietnam vets are different from Vietnam era vets. I appreciate Anyone who puts the uniform on however there is a difference when you serve in a combat zone.

Response by PO3 Gary Higgins made Mar 9 at 2020 9:38 PM

PO3 Gary Higgins — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 21:38:34 -0400

Not only No but hell No. Era vets did not serve in country or the waters around Vietnam. Yes they are Veterans and deserve the respect of a veteran. You do not here any veteran who served during WW2 or Korea called a WW2 or Korean Era vet. It is bad enough that they get hiring points that are equal to a combat vet.

Response by Kevin Adams made Mar 10 at 2020 7:25 AM

Kevin Adams — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 07:25:40 -0400

My father served in Germany and Turkey from 67-71 and would never say he was a Vietnam vet. He had too many friends pay the ultimate price for that distinction.

Response by PFC Phil Marudas made Mar 10 at 2020 8:49 AM

PFC Phil Marudas — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:49:10 -0400

If you were not there, why would you want people to think you were? You are not a VietNam Vet, get over it.

Response by 1LT John Fleming made Mar 10 at 2020 10:12 AM

1LT John Fleming — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 10:12:21 -0400

No, but my father was treated no differently in most ways as a WWII vet, though he never got further than the Panama Canal, on the way to invade Japan, when the bombs were fired

Response by SGT Dean Murphy made Mar 10 at 2020 12:48 PM

SGT Dean Murphy — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:48:48 -0400

While I am a Post Vietnam Veteran (of which I always make that distinction), I have worked with the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund's The Wall That Heals for the past 2 years. Over the course of that time, as well as when I served, I have had the great privilege of meeting, getting to know and learning from, a great many Vietnam Veterans. There is certainly a distinction between those that Served in the Theater of Vietnam and those that didn't. While I have always believed that All Veterans deserve respect and recognition for their service, I know that most of my fellow Veterans will readily yield their highest respects to those that have been downrange. There should always be a distinction.

Response by SP5 Anthony Orifici made Mar 10 at 2020 3:38 PM

SP5 Anthony Orifici — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:38:17 -0400

My two cents...If you had boots on the ground, or were assigned to a Navy Vessel in the waters off Vietnam, between August 1961 and April 1975, you are a Vietnam Veteran. If you served honorably in any branch of the armed forces, but never served ‘In Country’, then you are a Vietnam era Veteran and should not be addressed as a Vietnam Veteran.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2020 7:45 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:45:48 -0400

Having served during the Vietnam War and never left the States, I never tell anyone that I'm a "Vietnam Vet". Unless you were actually in-country, telling someone that you're a "Vietnam Vet" will give them the wrong impression. But that's my opinion. I've known guys who wore hats and sweatshirts that said "Vietnam Era Vet"...some might consider it semantics

Response by PO1 Frank Reiffenstein made Mar 11 at 2020 1:37 PM

PO1 Frank Reiffenstein — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 13:37:04 -0400

I am a Vietnam era Vet. I don't consider myself as a Vietnam Vet.
I was recently told that I was in deed one. I consider myself a Cold war,Gulf war Vet.

Response by MSG William Trussell made Mar 12 at 2020 5:38 AM

MSG William Trussell — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 05:38:54 -0400

Vietnam vet means in country

Response by MSgt Earl Hinchey made Mar 12 at 2020 11:51 AM

MSgt Earl Hinchey — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:51:44 -0400

I am a Vietnam-era Vet. I am not a Vietnam Vet. Because of my score in tech school, I got to chose which of the 4 assignments I wanted. There was 1 slot for Eielson AFB, AK and 3 for Nam. Married for only 6 months I picked AK. My best friend (in a different career field), went to Guam. There he was required to spray down the weeds on the runways with agent orange. He has health problems associated with that.
When I returned from my short tour in AK I was, as CPT Jack Durish said, subject to the same abuse as those that served in Nam. It still, today, stops me cold when people thank me for my service. Where were they and what were they saying back in 72.

Response by FA Dana MacDuff made Mar 12 at 2020 3:44 PM

FA Dana MacDuff — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 15:44:33 -0400

I was in during Viet Nam, but I am not a Viet Nam Vet. Viet Nam ERA Vet, maybe. Those that were in harm's way, should only use that moniker. God Bless them all (and us too!)

Response by Tina Perrault made Mar 12 at 2020 5:30 PM

Tina Perrault — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:30:44 -0400

Let the individuals decide for themselves what they want to be called. No matter what you have done in the military, it is still serving our country. Why people make such a big deal over such. Thank you to all who serve. I appreciate each and everyone of you and the sacrifices you and your family made.

Response by SGT Andrew Montes made Mar 12 at 2020 11:37 PM

SGT Andrew Montes — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 23:37:23 -0400

I am a Vet from the era of Vietnam and I joined in a time that everyone said don’t do it. I cared and I wanted to serve and protect and I was ready to do what was asked of me. We all were not sent to war even though that is what we wanted and were willing to do.... I was rerouted to Germany and patrolled the borders there and at one point we were asked to prepare for war and did not hesitate to do so.
My Brother died serving his country and I thank God for those that had the desire to protect and ( serve) take care of this country
We are all vets either you were asked to or you choose to serve this country in the military. You are told where to go and perform your duties and not every single person ( solider ) goes to war period. I am a veteran and an era vet of the Vietnam War. I take pride in being a part of that Brotherhood. God bless those that served or we would not be who we are today.

Response by SFC Joseph Boone made Mar 13 at 2020 10:35 AM

SFC Joseph Boone — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 10:35:51 -0400

COME ON NOW THIS IS 2020 LETS GET MOVE ON AND BE REAL, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY WARS FOUGHT. WE ARE ALL VETERANS, WE DONT NEED TO SEPERATE NOW THIS IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH AMERICA TODAY. WE ALL SERVED WITH A PURPOSE.

Response by Cpl Rudolph McKnight made Mar 13 at 2020 3:46 PM

Cpl Rudolph McKnight — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 15:46:44 -0400

yes

Response by Lt Col George Roll made Mar 13 at 2020 8:14 PM

Lt Col George Roll — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 20:14:54 -0400

A Vietnam Vet served in Vietnam or the costal waters around Vietnam. If you served during that period 65-73 you are a Vietnam ERA Vet Not a Vietnam Vet!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2020 10:46 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Mar 2020 10:46:22 -0400

These are what we refer to today as participation trophies.

Response by SSG John J Accornero made Mar 14 at 2020 9:09 PM

SSG John J Accornero — Sat, 14 Mar 2020 21:09:27 -0400

14Mar2020-
NO, absolutely not- in-country= Vietnam Veteran. in Germany is not VN, nor is stateside= not deployed.
I was able to get into a Nat Guard unit in CA.04/1971 did 8 years, I am not a Veteran-i served.
1. a Veteran is- Retired = Veteran,
2. Deployed where someone is trying to Kill you a war= Veteran.
the Veterans of VietNam are the Greatest of their Generation-
thank you-

Response by CPT David Donovan made Mar 15 at 2020 9:32 AM

CPT David Donovan — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 09:32:23 -0400

Vietnam ERA vets are not the same as Vietnam vets and should not be classified as such. Not even close. Vietnam era vets are more properly classified as Cold War vets.

Response by BG Donald Currier made Mar 15 at 2020 2:39 PM

BG Donald Currier — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 14:39:09 -0400

Vietnam era vet is an appropriate term for those who served during that era, were subject to being deployed there but weren’t. And, were targets of the same nonsense that Vietnam Veterans faced when they returned home. But the fact is that they weren’t actually there and any term that suggests that they were there would be disrespectful to those who were.

Response by Cpl Steve Eaton made Mar 16 at 2020 1:18 PM

Cpl Steve Eaton — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 13:18:04 -0400

NO ! Next, we will be lettin them have reunions 2 ?? WTH is wrong w/u ? Any Viet vet knows the difference between a vietnam vet and an ERA vet that NEVER went to RVN !! I got 400 plus flite hours as a CH53 Crew chief, flew in So.Vietnam and was up in Hiaphong Harbor for 5 mos. Sweepin the mines out, so ships could go in??W/HMM165. Saw Migs in Cacoons waitin 2 offload??several ships w/hammer and sickle on their smoke stax! Semper Fi.

Response by CPT David Starkey made Mar 23 at 2020 1:02 AM

CPT David Starkey — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 01:02:55 -0400

I was stationed in Atlanta, Georgia and taking apart bombs placed by peace protestors.

Response by GySgt Gary Cordeiro made Mar 23 at 2020 3:13 PM

GySgt Gary Cordeiro — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:13:26 -0400

Let’s keep things in proper perspective. I am a Vietnam Era Veteran and I am completely comfortable with it. I have many friends from all branches that served in and near Vietnam. Some were “in country”, some were never in country but were in “direct support”. I am in that category. As my brother that served in Germany? Was he direct support? I don’t consider myself a Vietnam veteran, I am a Nam Era veteran. Even though I was never in country; the “country” came to me in form of servicemen and women on R&R. If you know their stories and never experienced it personally don’t act as if you did. These guys have sixth sense and will see through the BS.

Response by PO3 Duane Bue made Mar 29 at 2020 4:02 PM

PO3 Duane Bue — Sun, 29 Mar 2020 16:02:25 -0400

Those who SERVED IN COUNTRY, yes

Response by SPC Gary Free made Mar 30 at 2020 7:09 AM

SPC Gary Free — Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:09:11 -0400

From a Vietnam Era vet, NO. When asked about it, I am very specific, that I not be called a Vietnam Vet, as Korea was as close as I got, and I think the ones who served in country, deserve to be recognized as separate from the rest.

Response by Sgt Timothy Gray made Mar 31 at 2020 8:50 PM

Sgt Timothy Gray — Tue, 31 Mar 2020 20:50:00 -0400

I'm not ashamed to be called a Vietnam ERA Vet. WE Served our Country & FACED THE Public "bACK HOME" , while our Brs & Sistrs served in Country. Though not "Boots on the Ground" We were willing to go if called upon

Response by CPT Raymond Michaud made Apr 1 at 2020 7:59 PM

CPT Raymond Michaud — Wed, 01 Apr 2020 19:59:56 -0400

Only those troops having had boots on the ground are Vietnam vets. Air force and Navy pilots flying over Nam subject missle or anti aircraft fire as well as river rats and any other in country personnel are also included as to having boots on the ground. Those troops stateside, in Korea, Japan, Germany, and Guam should refer to themselves as Vietnam (era vets only)

Response by SSG George Duncan made Apr 4 at 2020 10:43 AM

SSG George Duncan — Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:43:29 -0400

yes

Response by SSG George Duncan made Apr 4 at 2020 10:43 AM

SSG George Duncan — Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:43:39 -0400

yes

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made Apr 6 at 2020 7:41 AM

SP5 Derick Johnsohne — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 07:41:59 -0400

vietnam vets deserve particular respect in my opinion, due to combat, political and social situation .

Response by CPT John Toledo made Apr 13 at 2020 8:15 AM

CPT John Toledo — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:15:27 -0400

Yes Vietnam Veteran most had no control of their orders/assignments. Some one had to bring the bullets , beans , and ammo !

Response by SPC Ray D. made Apr 13 at 2020 8:02 PM

SPC Ray D. — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 20:02:16 -0400

No. Only those that served “in country” (and surrounding) deserve the appellation of “Vietnam Veteran.” I served during this time, but “Vietnam Era Veteran” is the closest I would accept. Otherwise, I’m satisfied to be fortunate enough to be alive and a just plain veteran.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2020 9:26 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:26:46 -0400

No, that would be the equivalent of saying someone in 1991 who was serving is a gulf war vet, or anyone in the last nearly 20 years is a afghan or Iraq vet. If they didn’t serve in that theater they should not be identified as a vet of that area. Now the term of Vietnam ERA or GWOT era I feel are totally acceptable.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2020 1:31 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 01:31:21 -0400

A Vet is Vet .

Response by SFC Cesar Valdez Jr made Apr 14 at 2020 10:53 AM

SFC Cesar Valdez Jr — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:53:37 -0400

As far as I am concerned, if you were not in-country, you are not a Viet Nam Vet. It is as simple as that.

Response by PO1 Ed Cook made Apr 14 at 2020 12:14 PM

PO1 Ed Cook — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:14:11 -0400

I served in the Navy and Naval Reserve from 63 to 76....I was never in country or close to it. I don't consider myself a Vietnam Vet....but I am a Vietnam ERA Vet.

Response by SGT Bob Dube made Apr 14 at 2020 2:50 PM

SGT Bob Dube — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:50:36 -0400

As I Served from 1965/1971 served in Germany ,Korea DMZ where I had been exposed to AGENT ORANGE Didn't know for 30 years that it was used in Korea I have been dealing with many health issues because of it.Also I felt the wrath at Logan airport when I came home on leave ,I was spit on pushed and called baby killer many times Being in country has nothing to do with it,we were at war period. WW2 vets were just that whether they were in a battle or not.The people in country are considered combat vets But we all are Vietnam vets.That's how I feel about it.

Response by Cpl Gary Mosnik made Apr 14 at 2020 3:39 PM

Cpl Gary Mosnik — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:39:49 -0400

No, I' ma Viet Nam ERA Marine 1968-70
I had orders for Nam out of boot camp! but my orders were changed after my first day in Staging. I spent my next 19 moths in California, no! I think those guys earned that title of Viet Nam vet! I wasn't even close to Viet Nam.

Response by SGT(P) Le'a K Billingsley made Apr 14 at 2020 8:55 PM

SGT(P) Le'a K Billingsley — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 20:55:37 -0400

Nope! I've seen that before. A guy, who tells stories, of Desert Storm was in the military during that time but never went to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait not Iraq. Yet, tells that he did. His unit, in Germany, many did, but not him. Sorry, I feel it's unfair.
To me, it's like WWII era veterans saying they stormed the beaches of Normandy. But, were I the USA the entire time. WWII era and combat veteran is different.
On a similar topic.... shouldn't all "Bronze Star" recipients be able to tell their real story, if there even is one.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Apr 14 at 2020 9:14 PM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:14:40 -0400

If an individual didn’t serve in a specific campaign or theater they don’t rate the appropriate title reserved for those who did.

Part of the problem is that the VA encourages this type of thing. They even encourage families to have it listed on their headstones.

Response by PO3 Steven Muller made Apr 14 at 2020 10:35 PM

PO3 Steven Muller — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:35:14 -0400

I am a Disabled Vietnam Veteran hat put my life on the line in this ugly war, and my reward is a lifetime of PTSD. So my response would naturally be that my Brothers in Arms are the authentic Vietnam Veterans, they paid the price for the label.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2020 5:48 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 05:48:20 -0400

They are Vietnam era veterans and not Vietnam veterans. They should not be wearing Vietnam veterans hat with Vietnam service medal, they did not earned it.

Response by LtCol Brian Ford made Apr 15 at 2020 6:15 AM

LtCol Brian Ford — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 06:15:47 -0400

The distinctions are made in the term used. If you want to know if they fought in country, they would be called Vietnam War Vets. If not, then they would be Vietnam Era Vets. There are vets who served in WW2 but never fought in WW2. Same for Korea.

Response by CPT Keith Whitter made Apr 15 at 2020 11:00 AM

CPT Keith Whitter — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:00:55 -0400

Personally I have a lot of respect for the men and women who served at that time. They precede me by a few years so I would call them sir or mam!

Response by TSgt Johnny Kirkwood made Apr 15 at 2020 11:27 AM

TSgt Johnny Kirkwood — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:27:03 -0400

How about "Vietnam Era Vet"?. I served with the 6214th Support Sq., in 1965, it was under the 8th Air Force spent 13 months between Vietnam and Taiwan where we build the first Air Base in Taichung.

Response by CDR Charles Metro made Apr 15 at 2020 1:07 PM

CDR Charles Metro — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400

Being a Vietnam in country veteran I too strongly feel the same way as my fellow in country Vietnam veterans feel. We were there the land that God forgot. The danger day and night the hardships. Agent Orange, booby traps, ambushes. etc. we all still carry the Vietnam war inside of us. We are a very special group of VIETNAM VETERANS no other veteran should be able to be classified as a Vietnam Veteran unless they served in country during the Vietnam War. To be a member of the VFW you had to be in country in a war zone. Welcome home brothers.

Response by SP6 Jim Young made Apr 15 at 2020 3:58 PM

SP6 Jim Young — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:58:26 -0400

I have an opinion... but more importantly, I have a question.... During WWI, WWII, Korea.... what did those military personnel do.....were all in combat, did all 'fight'? I used to work at a VA Hospital, several years actually. We did not, the VA does not, make a distinction between one who fought at Normandy and one who stayed in Britain supplying the need. It does not make a distinction between one who fought with 'Black Jack' and one who stayed here in the States providing their needs. Korea is the same. I have family, blood, who served in each of these. I also volunteered for Vietnam but they sent me to Germany..... My blood does not make a distinction between one who actually served in 'combat' and one who performed all of the other supportive duties elsewhere.... I mean, someone watched the other doors while 'they' were doing their duty elsewhere. And besides that.... not everyone in France, Korea, Vietnam, West Indies, Afghanistan, Iraq....were/are in 'combat'.... The strain, the stress of being away is truly hard, painful... dangerous. Being in a Bunker ready to press buttons, or standing, watching a Nuke being made to launch, or getting ready to open the bomb bay doors, or getting ready to squeeze the trigger while ducking..... Don't be too hard on the others just because this might have been your duty.

Response by SP5 Liston Matthews made Apr 15 at 2020 11:07 PM

SP5 Liston Matthews — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 23:07:53 -0400

I served THEN, but not THERE. I am not a Vietnam Vet. Since I worked with Minuteman missiles, that makes me a Cold War Vet.

Response by SMSgt Wallace Davis made Apr 16 at 2020 1:05 AM

SMSgt Wallace Davis — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 01:05:08 -0400

I don't think it's right. I am an ERA Veteran, I would not feel comfortable being referred to as a Vietnam Vet. I am proud to be called a Cold War Veteran.

Response by FN Gary Cotton made Apr 16 at 2020 8:08 AM

FN Gary Cotton — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 08:08:12 -0400

73-77 Vietnam ERA Navy vet here. First ship had orders to Nam, which were rescinded and changed to the Med. to call myself a Vietnam vet would, in my opinion, disrespect all those who served in the war zone. Count me out on this one.

Response by SPC Richard Moellering made Apr 16 at 2020 10:01 AM

SPC Richard Moellering — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:01:06 -0400

I always refer to myself as a Vietnam Era Vet as I served from '73 to '76. Just because we weren't enduring combat doesn't mean we weren't under threat. Three major terrorist groups, the German Bader-Meinhof gang, the Italian Red Brigade, and the French Action Directed, were running rampant in Europe at the time. I spent more time wearing my flak jacket and helmet as well as my full ammo belt along with fully loaded M-16, than not. Yes, what we experienced can't compare to those who served in-country, but don't think we weren't under duress. Making light of what we went through isn't right.

Response by MAJ James Tate made Apr 16 at 2020 10:21 AM

MAJ James Tate — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:21:22 -0400

If one did not have boots on the ground or on a Navy vessel directly supporting the war, he/she is not a Vietnam Veteran. Why is there a Vietnam Era Medal/ribbon? I thought the National Defense Service Medal served that purpose. I served with A/101AVN, The Comancheros, 70-71. In addition to 101st units, we supported Command & Control North operations, and ARVN operations to include Lam Son 719. Now that’s an example of a Vietnam Veteran!

Response by CPO Kim Hanthorn made Apr 16 at 2020 12:58 PM

CPO Kim Hanthorn — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:58:04 -0400

I call “Vietnam Vets” my Brothers and Sisters in Arms. One mission, one goal.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2020 1:37 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 13:37:56 -0400

I hold a title of Cold War Vet, though I saw no combat time. I hold the title of Iraqi War Vet, though I never left the wire I was still rocketed and stood the chance of being killed or injured. With that being two polar spectrum opposites, service time in Vietnam did not mean you got to play in the jungle, so you were not exposed to the same hazards as infantry soldiers were. I Europe, there were many acts of terrorism conducted against Americans and sites Americans frequented, so you stood the chance of being killed, injured, or kidnapped. If there is an issue with the title, just say I was a Vietnam Era Vet that did not serve in theater, or I protected Western Europe from Communist Russian invasion: simple answer. We all served for the same cause, just in different places of operation, for different reasons. My wife had 3 uncles that served during WW2: two under Patton in Europe and one in Panama. The two saw many major combat, while the other did not. But, if you believe the on serving in Panama was not worthy, then I guess you feel protection of the Panama Canal to support the war effort was not warranted.

Response by CPT Joe Hancock made Apr 16 at 2020 2:05 PM

CPT Joe Hancock — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:05:51 -0400

My take on this issue is much the same as it is on the issue of being American. I'm not an Asian American, African American, European American, or any other xxx American; I am an American. For too long we've allowed "the enemy" to divide us. Divided we shall be conquered. United we stand a fighting chance.

I feel the same about veterans. What every one of us has in common is that oath we took at enlistment to defend the Constitution of the United States. When we took that oath we relinquished our own personal preferences and gave our lives to Uncle Sam to do with as he pleased. Every one of us were subject to be sent to a combat zone at any time.

United behind that oath we are strong, divided, we fall.

I'm a veteran - period. When people ask me if I'm a veteran I say yes. When they ask me when I tell them during the Vietnam conflict. That's all they need to know.

I totally 100% disagree with flagging Americans by ethnicity and I totally 100% disagree with flagging veterans by geography.

I agree with Jack Durish, let's don't blur the lines, but only we need to know.

Just my thoughts.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Apr 16 at 2020 2:09 PM

PO3 Dale Olson — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:09:46 -0400

Aug 2, 1964 I was sitting in Yokosuka Harbor on on the USS John S McCain DL-3 with 30 days left in the Navy and I Do Not consider myself a Vietnam Vet.

Response by PO3 Michael Kidd made Apr 16 at 2020 2:45 PM

PO3 Michael Kidd — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:45:15 -0400

No !! Im sorry. I will not distinguish myself with that Honor. I served from 72-75. But yes Iam a Viet Nam era Vet. Nothing more,nothing less.

Response by CPL Martin Corcoran made Apr 16 at 2020 3:13 PM

CPL Martin Corcoran — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:13:53 -0400

Response by SPC Joseph Fioravanti made Apr 16 at 2020 6:38 PM

SPC Joseph Fioravanti — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 18:38:37 -0400

WHEN I WAS DISCHARGED FROM THE U.S. ARMY IN 1965 I WAS GIVE AN HONORABLE DISCHARGE AND WAS CONSIDERED A VIET-NAM ERA VETERAN. I TRIED TO JOIN THE VFW BUT THEY WOULD ACCEPT ME BUT I HAD NO SAY IN ANYTHING THEY VOTED ON AS I WAS NOT IN A WAR ZONE. SO SOONER OR LATER IF PEACE GETS A CHANCE TO PREVAIL FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES WE WON'T HAVE MANY MEMBERS LEFT IN THE VFW. I SERVED MY COUNTRY IN WARTIME AND I AM DIFFERENT THEN OTHER VETERANS. DIABLED VETS ARE DEFINITELY TO BE IN THEIR OWN CATEGORY BY THEMSELVES BUT WE ARE ALL WARTIME VETERANS, IN MY OPINION.

Response by Lt Col Hallie Greenberg made Apr 16 at 2020 6:58 PM

Lt Col Hallie Greenberg — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 18:58:42 -0400

I believe they should be. A friend of mine who is a nurse was posted in Germany and while she did not see combat she saw plenty of trauma and cared for many wounded. We don't decide where we go, but we all serve.

Response by PFC Martin Potashner made Apr 16 at 2020 8:10 PM

PFC Martin Potashner — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 20:10:02 -0400

well I asked to go to nam and they sent me to guam

Response by LTC Wayne Dandridge made Apr 16 at 2020 8:39 PM

LTC Wayne Dandridge — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 20:39:50 -0400

With over two thirds of us Vietnam veterans being gone, with having had so many Vietnam Veterans mistreated during the 60s and 70s, and because 42 members of my flight class gave the last full measure in Vietnam, I believe all Vietnam Veterans (about 2.3 million served in country or in Brown water Navy) appreciate it when we are referred to as Vietnam Veterans. Although I served form 1967 to 1991, Vietnam was and remains my most significant emotional and life experience. With that said, every veteran is important and should be cherished. Best wishes, Larry Dandridge (Ex-enlisted Infantry, ex-Aviation Warrant Attack Helo Pilot, and retired Army LTC)

Response by SPC Jose Jesus Rodriquez made Apr 16 at 2020 9:30 PM

SPC Jose Jesus Rodriquez — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:30:49 -0400

When I joined at 7 3 they send me to Germany also send some soldiers to Korea going to have to take care in case something really happens I want to go I want to go to Vietnam are they safe take care of Germans case something happens

Response by SP5 Jim Barker made Apr 16 at 2020 10:22 PM

SP5 Jim Barker — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 22:22:26 -0400

Vietnam is VNam!! Should I be called a New Yorker when I have never left Hawaii ??!!

Response by SPC Eugene Fierro. Jr made Apr 16 at 2020 11:19 PM

SPC Eugene Fierro. Jr — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 23:19:14 -0400

My name is Eugene Fierro I don't believe they should be called Vietnam vets and I'll tell you why I am 100% service connected disabled vet I never saw battle there was not even a war going on when I was injured I was injured at home at the VA Hospital through their neglect I received these titles I didn't earn it I don't deserve it but yet there are attributed to my name that's why you don't think people who are not Vietnam combat vets should be called Vietnam Vets or be paid as such.

Response by SGT William Pelletier made Apr 16 at 2020 11:19 PM

SGT William Pelletier — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 23:19:21 -0400

You know if you serviced during ww2 you are called a ww2 vet no matter where you serviced if you serviced during Vietnam war no matter where you serviced your a Vietnam vet . I read in here that if you didn’t serviced in Vietnam you were not exposed to agent orange well I buried drums of agent orange when I was in Germany then I service 3 years with 10 th special forces from 1973 to 1976 during those years I spray agent orange at Ft Devens Mass with a Indiana fire spraying tank if you check you will find that Ft Devens was one of 6 forts in the U S that was on the super clean for clean up of agent orange I was a para trooper I could have been kill at any time doing combat training and not everyone was in the bush in Vietnam we are a band of Brothers no matter where we serviced we are all Vietnam war vets

Response by PO1 Johnny Jacobs made Apr 16 at 2020 11:31 PM

PO1 Johnny Jacobs — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 23:31:13 -0400

No, Vietnam era vets that never set foot in Vietnam or served in the offshore waters should never claim to be a Vietnam vet. I believe that would make one a poser, and that is not something I would ever do.

Response by SGM Michael Phillips made Apr 17 at 2020 12:29 AM

SGM Michael Phillips — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 00:29:34 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era veteran. If you do not qualify for the campaign medal then you are not a Vietnam vet.

Response by SP5 Charles Gould made Apr 17 at 2020 1:12 AM

SP5 Charles Gould — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 01:12:50 -0400

I recently started wearing a ball cap with "Combat Veteran Vietnam" embroidered on it, along with my 1st ID patch, and '66-'67. No ambiguity.

Response by PFC Eugene Hoffmeyer made Apr 17 at 2020 10:56 AM

PFC Eugene Hoffmeyer — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 10:56:04 -0400

Yes

Response by SP5 Nick Bernard made Apr 17 at 2020 11:44 AM

SP5 Nick Bernard — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 11:44:20 -0400

I am a Vietnam Veteran. Doesn’t bother me one-way or the other. Drafted, sent to Nam with 10 mos. left.? Life’s a Bitch!!!

Response by SPC Dan Thompson made Apr 17 at 2020 12:04 PM

SPC Dan Thompson — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 12:04:05 -0400

If you did not serve "IN COUNTRY" you're NOT a Vietnam vet. You did not suffer the anxiety of living in a war zone where you could be shot or killed by enemy forces. You were a Vietnam Era Vet. It would just be another slap in the face for those of us that did.

Response by SR Joe Wright made Apr 17 at 2020 12:12 PM

SR Joe Wright — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 12:12:38 -0400

You mean in southern states where ignorance is the highest?

Response by Sgt Michael Gallegos made Apr 17 at 2020 12:19 PM

Sgt Michael Gallegos — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 12:19:04 -0400

Sgt. Gallegos M.D. USMC '73-"78.
I agree, I was in Iwakuni in 73, 1st MAW had just returned from Nam. I was attached to WERS-17, MWSG-17. With hindsight being 20/20, we were ordered to waterproof our com equipment for deployment. On researching in later years, i found out Ford had the option to go back in prior to fall of South Vietnam, I believe '74. Nonetheless, I did not step foot on Vietnam soil, so I respect and honor every Vietnam Veteran as I honor all vets. I am very proud to claim Vietnam Era Veteran. SFMF

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2020 12:31 PM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 12:31:08 -0400

No, for the same reason I'm not an Iraq or Afghanistan veteran. If you served, you're a vet. Those who see combat do get a bit more notoriety, and rightfully so. But everyone is holding a line somewhere, and if not engaged in combat operations, their presence does serve a purpose, if even just as a deterrent in other theaters.

Response by SP5 Robert Brusa made Apr 17 at 2020 1:51 PM

SP5 Robert Brusa — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:51:59 -0400

The title "Veteran" is a privilege and is earned. If one serves in a conflict then that service is recognized by name. If you were not there then why would you want the title?

Response by COL John Power made Apr 17 at 2020 2:14 PM

COL John Power — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 14:14:24 -0400

Good question. At first blush I'd say NO, but then I rethink a bit. Did a WWII servicemember who didn't get deployed overseas deserve to be a WWII veteran? The services decide where a member will serve. The VA classifies folks as veterans who were on active duty during a conflict. They don't screen for where their service was. My dad spent all of WWII at depots on the East Coast pushing supplies to the European Theater. He was a heck of a lot more valuable doing that than he would have been on the ground. I served in many places in my 30 years, including RVN. I was on AD during the Gulf War, but not deployed. But I'm still a veteran of that conflict. On the other hand today about 40-45% of the military are in the reserve components. Many in the Reserve and National Guard in that era chose that approach to avoid being deployed. I don't think they should be graced with hat identity. Vietnam Era is even pushing it for some who only were AD for training.

Response by SPC Joseph Gill made Apr 17 at 2020 2:22 PM

SPC Joseph Gill — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 14:22:06 -0400

how can anyone be jealous of those who served in country,it was miserable and no one liked us when we came home,it has been decades before anyone said thank you for your service,

Response by PO2 Jerry Huff made Apr 17 at 2020 2:43 PM

PO2 Jerry Huff — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 14:43:49 -0400

My ship was a Destroyer Tender and we serviced destroyers just outside the 7 mile zone considered blue water Navy. Even though we did not go ashore we were still in harms way. To not be recognized is a travisty because we were there to serve an intrigal job.

Response by PO1 Paul Jungnitsch made Apr 17 at 2020 6:43 PM

PO1 Paul Jungnitsch — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:43:18 -0400

A little bit of stolen valor is still stolen valor.
You do not need a near-miss of a bullet to suffer the stress of combat. There is no flying bullet zone designated. Launching aircraft from a ship is always stressful, but where those aircraft are headed adds stress to everyone on board. Arming planes with explosive weapons is different. The odds of shipmates coming back are reduced. Firing artillery at sea is not inherently stressful, but firing at a hostile territory, while in possibly mined seas, is serious. Even if nobody is shooting back.
My opinion is that everyone who set foot on hostile ground, or flew above, or crewed a ship that participated in combat from offshore, is a veteran of that conflict. Even passengers on a military flight that only touched down to refuel. Generally the medals awarded accurately reflect that experience.
I knew an air force guy who flew through Vietnam on the way to Thailand. He had no worries about being there. While changing planes, the airport was shelled with mortars. A small piece of the hanger roof fell and hit him. He easily deflected it with his hand. Not even shrapnel. He got a purple heart for a cut on a finger.
I served aboard submarines. Diving underwater is itself inherently dangerous, but still not combat. Submarines carry out secret missions in hostile situations. Missions that would generate persecution, if only they knew we were there. All United States submarine operations practice full wartime secrecy and tactics. Those missions cannot be talked about or even acknowledged. I don't need public adoration for that. The navy determines the level of danger, and issues the appropriate credentials to acknowledge the service. The navy gave me medals that qualify me for the VFW. I am a veteran of the secret undeclared cold war. The little chunks of bronze are the only way that I can justify it to anyone.
Every person is different. Every experience has gradations of stress or danger. Anyone can tell a plausible story. Most war veterans don't talk about it. How about we use the official service record, showing assignments and awards, to make the determination?

Response by Sgt Jim Robinson made Apr 17 at 2020 7:59 PM

Sgt Jim Robinson — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:59:58 -0400

Am a VietVet, 70-71 Danang, 1st MAW. For the soldiers who served during the "Vietnam Era"; Ask yourself the following questions:

How many times was your Hooch in Germany or Korea or the USA rocketed while you served? How many times did you step out into the rice paddies? How many times did you have to box up the personal effects of someone in your hooch?

If your answer is less than 1, you are a Vietnam ERA Vet, not a VietVet.

A couple years ago, here in Bangor, Maine, some of the locals tried to do a "Welcome Home" event for VietVets. When they didn't get enough response from real VietVets they opened the event to Vietnam Era Vets. They wanted Vets to walk across a stage and have their name announced and then be "Welcomed Back" by the audience.

I DO NOT KNOW A SINGLE REAL VIETVET THAT ATTENDED THAT EVENT!

Enuff said. My old man, Navy Mustanger, WW2, Korea and Nam, PH and 3 Battle Stars would never have approved of addressing some one as a Combat Vet if they hadn't been there.

I AGREE.

Response by SSG Kenneth Trotter made Apr 17 at 2020 8:20 PM

SSG Kenneth Trotter — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:20:06 -0400

There is a big difference between serving in Germany in the 1960's and serving in Vietnam in the 1960's. I did both. But I don't think that someone who only served in Germany or stateside should be called a Vietnam veteran. Vietnam Era Veteran ...... Yeah, I could go along with that.

Response by CW5 Mark Smith made Apr 17 at 2020 10:07 PM

CW5 Mark Smith — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:07:20 -0400

WWII vets are WWII vets. As far as I know, there isn't a distinction between those who served stateside only and those who served overseas. Maybe its the passage of time or the magnitude of the war. I'm a vet of Viet Nam and Iraq. Somehow it seems there should be a distinction between those who were actually there and those who weren't. Just my opinion.

Response by SFC Cecil Watts made Apr 17 at 2020 11:18 PM

SFC Cecil Watts — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 23:18:08 -0400

IMO you are only a Viet Nam Vet if you had boots on the ground! Just my .02 worth.

Response by Sgt James Gross made Apr 17 at 2020 11:21 PM

Sgt James Gross — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 23:21:44 -0400

I served in the Air Force during the Vietnam era and all nobody called me a Vietnam Vet. I am a veteran and that is the extent to which anyone has addressed me.

Response by CPT Stanley Kober made Apr 18 at 2020 12:04 AM

CPT Stanley Kober — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 00:04:29 -0400

Having the honor of being one of 2.5 million who were in-country, (I in 1968), I am of the opinion that unless you were in-country and had to put up with the possibility of being blown up, shot, killed or maimed in a myriad of other ways, the distinction deserves to be there. Vietnam era veterans are an important part of supporting us in the field, but they don't wear the CIB, etc. for a reason. The distinction needs to remain despite how much they supported us in the field.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2020 10:11 AM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400

I believe a Vet is Vet...all willing to sacrifice our lives for our country.

Response by PO1 Gary Bristol made Apr 18 at 2020 12:35 PM

PO1 Gary Bristol — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:35:07 -0400

I agree with many that have posted here, that unless you were in country or off the shores, you shouldn't consider being called a Vietnam Vet. I believe that should be reserved for those that went through the trauma and hardships of being in country. I served in the US Navy from 1972 thru 1981, so am considered a Vietnam Era Vet, but i never was in country, and i no way claim that i was. Yes everyone that was in the service during that period received the National Defense Service Medal.

Response by 1SG Ken Barrnett made Apr 18 at 2020 12:47 PM

1SG Ken Barrnett — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:47:53 -0400

I am a Vietnam era vet. have no desire to be called a Vietnam Vet. Did not fight in that war.

Response by LTC Brett Weeks made Apr 18 at 2020 2:22 PM

LTC Brett Weeks — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:22:49 -0400

I was in the Army during Grenada, Panama, and Desert Storm, but did not participate in any of those operations. I am an Army veteran- not a Grenada veteran, Panama veteran, or Desert Storm veteran. Short answer is: “no”.

Response by Sgt Bill Fitzgerald made Apr 18 at 2020 9:26 PM

Sgt Bill Fitzgerald — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 21:26:47 -0400

I am a Vietnam Vet 66-67.I served with 1st Battalion 9th Marines.There is no way in hell they should be called Vietnam Era let alone Vietnam vets.

Response by LCDR Larry Holman made Apr 19 at 2020 2:57 AM

LCDR Larry Holman — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 02:57:54 -0400

Isn't there enough division in the world without driving veterans into different camps? Can't we be content as citizens of the world doing our part to make it a better place for everyone?

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2020 7:50 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 07:50:26 -0400

There's a helluva distinction between a Vietnam Vet and a Vietnam Era Vet. About the same distinction between being almost pregnant and being pregnant.

Response by SFC Richard Foster made Apr 19 at 2020 7:51 AM

SFC Richard Foster — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 07:51:31 -0400

Hell No! if you did not Go, like us true Vets, Then you don't qualify to be called a Vietnam Vet in any since of the word, Period.

Response by SFC William Hamilton made Apr 19 at 2020 9:54 AM

SFC William Hamilton — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:54:47 -0400

The distinction is as it should be. If you didn't serve in country or the jungle then you are not a Vietnam Veteran. Like me I was in Germany. I want there but I still care. Hooah
Retired SFC W. Hamilton

Response by MSG William Weatherell made Apr 19 at 2020 1:00 PM

MSG William Weatherell — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 13:00:46 -0400

As spoke to by several, All serving during 1 Nov 1955 to 30 Apr 1975 had one of the following choices: Volunteer to go, Needs based activation's of selected services and speciality As needed Where needed, register for the draft, random selection (Called Draft), Pass or Fail selection, Suddenly have an urge to go to College, Pass or Fail college, USA looks at you again, Enlist where you feel you can help the most, Please utilize me for my brightest skill, Get assigned to a Calvary Scout 1/17th Cav A & B troops some of us, Train to be the best, If your unit was called to go to Vietnam you went to cover your brothers back, no matter your MOS, and some waited to be called but never were. Are they a Vietnam Vet? In Country: NO. A phone call away: YES Some of our brothers and sisters are suffering inside. Please LOOK FOR SIGNS we are all struggling over something. I support MISSION 22, VFW, American Legion, Wounded Warriors, Tunnels 2 Towers.

Response by Sgt Douglas Berger made Apr 19 at 2020 2:56 PM

Sgt Douglas Berger — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:56:22 -0400

You opened a topic that is on the mind of many, and we can offer our opinions, but they mean nothing to those who want to claim they were in country_ who were not.

Example: A firefighter serving in Hot Springs, Ark, wears a hat saying "firefighter nine-eleven." Firefighter? Yes_ but a firefighter serving in NYC during the attack_ No.

There are more who claimed they served in Vietnam than those who did. For example, there were 9.2 million serving "during.", but only 2.7 million who served "in" Vietnam. The media says the percentage of those who served during Vietnam, alive today, uses a factor of the total 9,2 million, not the 2.7 who served in Vietnam.

The 2000 census indicated roughly 1.0 were still alive of the 2.7 million_ that would indicate 1.7 million died due to service "in" Vietnam.

Sadly 12-13 million said they served in Vietnam. The total size of our military was 9.2 million. Just as disturbing Health and Human Services indicated of the 2.7 million, the vast majority would be gone by 2015.

It is for those reasons I think it is wrong to wear a hat saying Vietnam Era with the metals that go with the service. I am very tired of hearing the Battle Cry of those who did not serve in Vietnam "I am a Vet too." "Where is MY discount." "The VA hospital is for Veterans, and I am a Veteran."

These Veterans do not consider the VA Hospital is for Veterans suffering from a service-connected disability. Still the VA is open to Veterans who show a financial hardship.

I spoke with a gentleman who reviews claims. I had asked why it took so long to process an application. His answer made it all fall in place. "Because over 95% of the claims are not related to service." These false claims take time to verify.

Your opinion of this issue is yours, and mine is mine, and in the end, it makes zero difference.

Semper Fi

Response by CPL Michael Headrick made Apr 19 at 2020 4:50 PM

CPL Michael Headrick — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 16:50:44 -0400

Unless you were in country you are NOT a vietnam veteran. I know several people who were drafted but sent to Germany and discharged later.I have heard there are millions who claim service there but were not even there. I bet they didn't say that back in the 60's or 70's.

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Apr 19 at 2020 6:37 PM

CPO Arthur Weinberger — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:37:54 -0400

We had personnel in Vietnam from 60 to 75. That is why we are referred to as such. Persons who were in the service during WW two are labeled the same. The Korean conflict also. It is not necessary to have "in-country" to have the label.

Response by SP5 Mark Atchison made Apr 19 at 2020 6:42 PM

SP5 Mark Atchison — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:42:17 -0400

Never

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Apr 19 at 2020 6:50 PM

CPO Arthur Weinberger — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:50:17 -0400

SPC Velazquez, thank you for serving our great country. You were needed in Germany and served.

Response by SFC Michael D. made Apr 19 at 2020 6:51 PM

SFC Michael D. — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:51:56 -0400

I thought they were.

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Apr 19 at 2020 10:45 PM

Sgt Frank Staples — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:45:33 -0400

Interesting question. About the time I would have been going to VN I was shipped to Sondestromfjiord, Greenland for a year. I hate cold weather and being young and dumb I preferred, at the time, to go to VN. I don't consider myself a VN veteran but a VN era vet. I have nothing but respect for the guys that served in a warzone and came home to hippies and crap. I lucked out on that also flying into New Jersey, then to Norfolk, and finally into Raleigh with no problems with civilians. I'm sure I would have gotten in trouble back then if I'd gotten any of the crap that some of my friends did. I was always a mouthy little dude!

Response by SSG Michael Doolittle made Apr 20 at 2020 1:24 AM

SSG Michael Doolittle — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 01:24:39 -0400

NO.....!! NO...!! The same for those in a "Hostile Theater" should not be titled "Combat Veterans", just because they were in the service during the period that we had "Advisors" in Vietnam before the troop build up 1954 - 1963, and as troop strength built up to 500,000 + from 1964 to 1968... After the TET Offensive the Public lost its silence as thousands of soldiers came home to an angry America... So anyone serving in the military during the period of 1954 to January 27, 1973 you would call a Vietnam Veteran.... HORSE SHIT..... If you were not there "YOU ARE NOT"

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Apr 20 at 2020 8:46 PM

1SG Brian Adams — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:46:51 -0400

I feel regardless where you were stationed, if you were in a support capacity aiding our troops in Nam..
.then yes, its ok to be addressed as such. Jmo

Response by MSgt Jesse Tiede made Apr 21 at 2020 12:16 AM

MSgt Jesse Tiede — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 00:16:21 -0400

I agree with you, Doc! I enlisted in June of 72, but, the closest I got to "In'country", or, as some called it, "Indian Country", was South Korea! I did make it as close as the Philippines, but, that was 15 years, or so, after hostilities stopped. I am a Vietnam ERA Vet, and damned proud of it...

Response by 1LT Peter Duston made Apr 21 at 2020 8:07 AM

1LT Peter Duston — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 08:07:17 -0400

This is a "toughy" since our "real" Vietnam veterans feel so strongly about being a Vietnam Vet meaning that they have strong feelings about draft dodgers, deserters, the military and government that failed them, college student protesters, the American public who spit on them when they returned home or called them "baby killers", agent orange and other excuses that the VA has unfairly used over the years denying these Vets medical and disability benefits. The anger and feelings of rejection when we held "welcome Home" parades for Desert Storm and the "rag-tag" Vietnam Vets looked on from the side lines - no parades for them! I was in one in Portsmouth, NH in my "Greens", full dress, couldn't find my Reserve unit that had been partially mobilized and returned (I was stationed at Ft. Devens teaching combat casualties to Med personnel headed to the desert). In any case, I couldn't find my unit but bumped into a counselor buddy who was a "Nam" Vet. Since I was in the Army Reserve all during Vietnam, I "walked" with him and a few Viet Nam vets (he was an early PTS counselor). As we "walked" and as the the huge crowd lining the streets realized who we were, they started standing up and clapping. Guys came out of the crowd to join in and OMG, the rising crowd, clapping and shouts of "Welcome Home" was like a wave as we walked. There were buckets of tears, hugs of brotherhood. When our rag tag bunch got to the city square where the VIP reviewing stand was and the City Officials realized what was motivating the onlookers, they stopped the parade and offered words of welcome home, job well done to the mixed bag of well dressed, biker garbed, rag tag, mix bag group bunched in that square. I know from my friend the counselor that it was an amazing cathartic milestone for those veterans, many who never even acknowledged their Vietnam Veteran status. I felt like a "fake" among them but my buddy urged me along. As the lone fully official soldier among them, it added a touch of official recognition. This all came rushing back to me reading this question. One simple answer is get a hat that says Vietnam Era Veteran and wear it with pride. If we were in the military during Vietnam and weren't sent to Vietnam, we were just some of the lucky ones. Serving in the military, we may end up in harms way or have the adventure of a lifetime. We didn't usually get to choose.
PFC John Velazquez, PhD! Get your hat and wear it with pride.
PS: I was a reserve MI officer during Vietnam tracking down the Weather Underground War Protesters in Boston. Where do I fit???

Response by SgtMaj Phillip Orellano made Apr 21 at 2020 9:26 AM

SgtMaj Phillip Orellano — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 09:26:09 -0400

No. I gather I would have to be call Persian War Gulf, Iraq and Afghanistan Vet. Calling us a Veteran is enough, there is no need to distinguish by name unless its for an official purpose.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2020 10:26 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:26:47 -0400

No, we don't classify vets that served three years at FT Pickapost and never deployed as OIF or OEF vets.

Response by Sgt John Hollowell made Apr 21 at 2020 11:36 AM

Sgt John Hollowell — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:36:22 -0400

NO! "71-'75 USMC Veteran, I don't even refer to myself as Vietnam Era, because I didn't serve in country, and fearing confusion, I refuse to steal the valor of those that did.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2020 1:28 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:28:24 -0400

I think each war has its own individuality of issues. Vietnam Vets did have a divided country to come home to and wether or not you went to Vietnam you felt that. I think we as veterans tend to refer to each other differently then the general public. The media will always refer to from the war you served in.

Response by PO3 Donald Wright made Apr 21 at 2020 2:09 PM

PO3 Donald Wright — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:09:19 -0400

I think we ought to be addressed as "Viet nam vets" and you could be "viet nam ERA vet. I know some guys stationed in Germany that requested a transfer to viet nam. I left beautiful Bermuda by asking for transfer to viet nam, Destroyer. I thought I might have bit off more than I could chew but made it thru. Just my opinion.

Response by MAJ Russ Hanson made Apr 21 at 2020 2:44 PM

MAJ Russ Hanson — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:44:12 -0400

I guess my response is just simple for me. If you served in the vietnam war in country you are a veitnam veteran. If not in country you were a vietnam era veteran or whatever else you want to call it.

Response by SGT Randy Bordner made Apr 21 at 2020 5:10 PM

SGT Randy Bordner — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:10:53 -0400

No, if a person did not actually serve in Vietnam they should not hold themselves out to be. I have had a few individuals that wore a "Vietnam Vet" hat and when I visited with them; they said they were "Vietnam ERA" which is not the same. I was infantry in Vietnam and do not hold any grudges against anyone that did not get the pleasure but please don't try and pretend that you are a Vietnam vet or that "You really wanted to go".

Response by SGT Jim Harris made Apr 21 at 2020 5:31 PM

SGT Jim Harris — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:31:18 -0400

Why would a Veteran who served our country, during the Vietnam War, but was not in country, want to associate his self with the war? True they could have been called up to serve in Vietnam but they weren't.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2020 9:53 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:53:34 -0400

How about being called a Cold War era vet? That's more neutral, I think.

Response by Marvin Hebert made Apr 21 at 2020 10:50 PM

Marvin Hebert — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:50:00 -0400

I also served in Germany from 73 to 77 and I had the privilege of meeting some of those true heroes in 75 when that ended and I would feel very guilty if someone called me a Vietnam veteran. I would have to set them straight just out of
much deserved respect.

Response by PO1 John Hudson made Apr 22 at 2020 4:20 PM

PO1 John Hudson — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:20:56 -0400

I served 1972-78, 17 year old. I was supposed to be the last class of Medics 91B20 to go to VN. Went through VN trading at Camp Bullis in Texas then got orders to Germany. I received my share of disparaging comments and I am proud to have supported those returning Vietnam Vets. I served during an era when America was divided over the war, I am proud to have volunteered for my Country. I am proud of every service member now and then.

Response by PFC Richard H Fein made Apr 22 at 2020 8:59 PM

PFC Richard H Fein — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:59:20 -0400

Not everyone in Vietnam was even near a combat zone, so what's the difference. They were as safe as the guys that served in Alabama. Like I said what’s the difference. In my American Legion Post, and I’m the Commander, if you served between the dates YOU ARE A VIETNAM VETERAN. Doesn’t mean you can say you were there though!

Response by SGT Thomas Copeland made Apr 22 at 2020 9:57 PM

SGT Thomas Copeland — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:57:07 -0400

Absolutely NOT! They can be called Vets, but not Vietnam Vets! I don't think they should even be referred to as Vietnam Era Vets. That term is already used to blur the lines and is seen by some as just below those who are accused of Stolen Valor acts.

Response by SSgt Mose Carter made Apr 23 at 2020 12:53 AM

SSgt Mose Carter — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 00:53:37 -0400

Why the question you ask is nonsensical. Vietnam veterans are identified and awarded with Vietnam service ribbons, Vietnam campaign ribbons and commendation medals.. If you are not awarded such, you are not a Vietnam veteran. I hope this succinctly answers your question.

Response by SPC Nicholas Bettinger made Apr 23 at 2020 5:44 PM

SPC Nicholas Bettinger — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:44:14 -0400

Vets are vets

Response by SGM Darrel Shanks made Apr 24 at 2020 8:12 PM

SGM Darrel Shanks — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 20:12:01 -0400

No, if you didn’t serve in Vietnam you’re not a Vietnam Vet.
I was in basic at the time we stopped deploying troops to the war and I’m considered a Vietnam era veteran.
If it’s not on your DD 214 then you’re not a Vietnam Combat Vet Period.
Just ask Senator Richard Blumenthal.
He’s a stolen valor POS currently serving in the Senate who over stated his service by claiming to be a Vietnam Veteran while never setting foot in the country.
My opinion for what it’s worth.
DOL

Response by SPC William Szkromiuk made Apr 24 at 2020 9:28 PM

SPC William Szkromiuk — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 21:28:12 -0400

1965-1968
I am proud to call myself a U. S. Army Veteran, only.
Thank you all for your service.
Welcome home Vietnam Veterans.
And God Bless those that gave that last full measure of devotion.

Response by PO2 Sergio Torres made Apr 27 at 2020 9:52 AM

PO2 Sergio Torres — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 09:52:01 -0400

Combat changes you the title Vietnam vet tattoos this change, a change only a combat vet understands. Vietnam vet is a title worn only by those who walked the walk.

Response by A1C David Johnson made Apr 28 at 2020 2:20 PM

A1C David Johnson — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:20:18 -0400

I would not try to take the Honor of any Viet Nam Veteran; who actually had boots down in Nam. I always make sure to say I am Viet Nam Era Vet, even though many civilians only hear the word Viet Nam.

At the same time, I was in the general theater of the area, i was in Taiwan at CCK AB, 1968-1969. I was SP, and guarded C 130s and KC 135s; and now and then other things like B-52s that came in from the Philippines when they could not return home immediately because a Typhoon. Our C 130s ran supplies and people in the War effort, as well as the KC 135s that refueled the B 52 bombers so they could make it back home to their base in the Philippines.

Is that too much different then that same job in Nam; I was also exposed to tons of vaccinations, JP8 jet fuel and looks like Agent Orange or etc. I find I have a lot of the same kind of issues as most Viet Nam Vets I have met in VA Hospitals; even Gulf War Vets. A lot of us had issue in our SP unit at CCK. I left Taiwan, then England but was not there for long when I had to be Meed Vac back to the States and got a small Medical Disability Rating upon being discharged with a Honorably.

When I have been in VA Hospitals I normally have more connection with those who had put boots down in Nam, Thailand, etc and today the Gulf War an etc. I guess I just sort of feel left out in field standing by myself; I am also highly emphatic, I connect to others and feel their energy. emotions and feelings as my own. I guess this is besides the point, but is still part of who I am.

I never did well after that, floundered a lot, finally in 1995 after repeated attempts of raising my rating up, they game me 100%.

Should there have been a name or rating if you saved in the area of Viet Nam; many bases other nations in combat support of the Viet Nam War Specific or even a ribbon; other then the Defense Ribbon ?

Response by Sgt David Scott made Apr 29 at 2020 7:17 PM

Sgt David Scott — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:17:44 -0400

There is no doubt that if one served during the time of the Viet Nam War, if you were in Country or not, there should be equal recognition that you served, not just "oh ya, he was in". What B.S. if it wasn't for us serving in other Countries, including America, they would have been in real trouble. I served with 2nd Tanks at Camp Lejeune and then with 3rd Tanks Camp Hansen, Oki. I achieved the rank of Sergeant in 19 months as i worked hard and proud as a Marine, serving from 1968 to 1971. So "no" there should be no different distinction if you were in Country or Not.

Response by Sgt David Scott made Apr 29 at 2020 7:27 PM

Sgt David Scott — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:27:40 -0400

Read some of the responses, Sad, to say the least. Seems that some feel that they are the only ones that count as they served in Country, for this they should be proud, however, others of us served just as hard in different parts of the world and supported them with equipment, medical, supplies, etc. I believe this is the only war I know of where if they served in Country they feel they deserve the only recognition. I am proud of the time I gave, away from my family, my home by serving the U.S. I served from 1968 to 1971 and achieved the rank of Sergeant in under 19 months. I was stationed at Camp Lejeune, NC and Camp Hansen, Okinawa. Really Sad to think that some brothers feel they are better then others.

Response by LTC Charles "Pappy" Patchin made May 4 at 2020 12:36 AM

LTC Charles "Pappy" Patchin — Mon, 04 May 2020 00:36:43 -0400

Yes. Ask my wife, who wore the uniform and suffered the same abuse from our fellow citizens. She is a Vietnam Veteran. Just as the vets of World War One, Two and The Korean War who never left the States are veterans. It's not WHERE you served. It's THAT you served.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made May 6 at 2020 5:31 PM

CMSgt Donald ONeill — Wed, 06 May 2020 17:31:19 -0400

As a Vietnam , Desert Storm , Allied Force and Iraq Freedom vet with many other deployments in my military career the title Vet has a great sound . And very thankful that I achieved that title .

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2020 5:51 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 May 2020 17:51:03 -0400

The same as my take on being a SPC vs. a SPC PHD. That’s a new one on me? You’re either a Vietnam Vet or you’re not. Didn’t serve in country, sorry. I had no idea so many feel deprived. The majority I know breathed a sigh of relief in not going to the Big Show in Nam!

Response by SSG Sidney Galloway made May 13 at 2020 3:49 PM

SSG Sidney Galloway — Wed, 13 May 2020 15:49:11 -0400

As a two-deployment, two-Korea tour retiree, I don't think it's a heinous idea. But... do we call NG two-year enlistees "National Guard Veterans?" Nope. They're VETERANS. Whether conscripted, volunteered or aimed in the general direction by a judge ("Go to war or go to jail...") a vet is a vet is a vet.

Response by CSM Stuart Fuller made May 13 at 2020 6:42 PM

CSM Stuart Fuller — Wed, 13 May 2020 18:42:41 -0400

Viet Nam Vet, Korean War Vet, WWII vet were you there? You went were told and did what told like all the others since. Maybe you were a cook at the white house for the President

Response by PO1 Frank Reiffenstein made May 13 at 2020 6:51 PM

PO1 Frank Reiffenstein — Wed, 13 May 2020 18:51:14 -0400

I did my 20 years I. The navy 1974 -1994. When asked if I am a Vietnam Vet. I answer ara but not in country. I consider myself a Retired Vet. first and foremost.

Response by SSgt J. Edward Richards made May 18 at 2020 10:10 PM

SSgt J. Edward Richards — Mon, 18 May 2020 22:10:57 -0400

I was in Okinawa from 1968–1969. Our mission was to support Vietnam. According to USAF regulations we did not qualify as Vietnam veterans. I have always indicated that I was Vietnam Era Veteran. I volunteered to go to Vietnam, but the USAF assigned me to Okinawa. While not in a combat zone, we did our best to support the war effort. I still value my military service and the USAF.

Response by SPC Edward Abney made May 23 at 2020 7:12 PM

SPC Edward Abney — Sat, 23 May 2020 19:12:53 -0400

US Army, 1962-1965, assigned to the US Army Security Agency, and stationed in Northern Japan (Hokkiado). That is as close to Vietnam that I got and I never call myself a Vietnam Vet. I don't care for the term Vietnam Era Vet either. When asked about my Service, I just tell people that I am a Veteran of the US Army. Those men and women who actually served in-country or off-shore are the only Veterans who deserve the title of "Vietnam Veteran"!

Response by SGT Jensen Shirley made May 23 at 2020 8:58 PM

SGT Jensen Shirley — Sat, 23 May 2020 20:58:43 -0400

Not sure. Many family members served in Viet Nam. When I joined I was another soldier that served during war time. I was in the infantry, went through JOTC, stationed in Panama, but wasn't called to serve in Vietnam. I just acknowledge snd am satisfied that I am a Vietnam Era soldier.

Response by Capt Raymond Lewis made May 25 at 2020 12:02 AM

Capt Raymond Lewis — Mon, 25 May 2020 00:02:02 -0400

Those that served in the military during the Vietnam era, but did not go to Vietnam, are NOT Vietnam Veterans. We earned that title by serving "in country", not by serving in Germany, Texas or Alabama! They may have been in during the conflict, but they did not suffer and/or see the horrors of war. I do not know of anyone that really wanted to go to Vietnam and put in for duty in Vietnam, that did not receive orders to go. I am writing about those that had a MOS that would be needed in a war zone. I am sure that some specialties would not have been needed in Vietnam. I know some that SAID they tried to get orders to Vietnam and did not receive them, but they cannot back up their claim. They are usually the ones that want to claim to be Vietnam Veterans.

Response by PO2 David Clark made Jun 1 at 2020 9:42 AM

PO2 David Clark — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 09:42:53 -0400

If you want to be correct, I'd use Viet Nam ERA Vet. the term Viet Nam Vet should be reserved for those who actually were in country.

Response by SPC Randy Hill made Jun 1 at 2020 1:03 PM

SPC Randy Hill — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 13:03:59 -0400

Vietnam Era vet but served stateside I think it’s stolen valor to claim Vietnam Vet status

Response by SSgt Randy Waters made Jun 1 at 2020 7:01 PM

SSgt Randy Waters — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 19:01:06 -0400

Well I guess my comments are not going to mean a damn thing but whats the difference between a WW2 VET or a Korean War VET , who never left the country and a member of the military who served during the Vietnamese war and never went in country? Didn't the all serve during the war? Never heard a WW2 or Korean War vet who never saw combat called an ERA anything.

Response by PO2 Clotilde Szelkowski made Jun 1 at 2020 10:48 PM

PO2 Clotilde Szelkowski — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 22:48:39 -0400

As a VietNam Era vet, I say NO WE SHOULD NOT BE CALLED VIETNAM VETS. We didn't go, We don't deserve to be called VietNam vets. I never suffered the horrible treatment that the VietNam vets did. I volunteered to go but, was denied because I am female and enlisted. I was told the Navy does not send its women into combat theaters.

Response by SSgt Larry Melby made Jun 2 at 2020 5:15 AM

SSgt Larry Melby — Tue, 02 Jun 2020 05:15:28 -0400

No we shouldn't, I went in in January 75 and never heard the baby killer comment. Instead it was "what are you too stupid to get a real job" My dad was army 52-55 never left stateside. He never referred to himself as a korean vet

Response by SSgt Jennifer Ettish made Jun 2 at 2020 6:38 AM

SSgt Jennifer Ettish — Tue, 02 Jun 2020 06:38:37 -0400

I've always considered myself a Vietnam Era vet as I was not in Nam.

Response by SGT John Marks made Jun 2 at 2020 3:13 PM

SGT John Marks — Tue, 02 Jun 2020 15:13:40 -0400

I also don't feel right being call a vietnam vet! I was never there, but served in Korea in 1968 and it doesn't make me a Korean war vet. I served from 1967 to 1976 and never had to experience face to face combat. I was a tca on a sam site, when we got shot at, it was by an aircraft trying to take out our entire battery. It's all relative, we were all there ready to do whatever we were ordered to do, and I for one, would do it all over again if my country wanted me!

Response by PO2 Kim Drager made Jun 2 at 2020 3:40 PM

PO2 Kim Drager — Tue, 02 Jun 2020 15:40:11 -0400

after I came back from my 3rd trip over seas to nam. there was no welcome no you did a good job.You were look down on,spit at and call names.All this for serving your country,doing your duty.Too all those that sever welcome back,and thank you.

Response by MSgt Timothy Dwight made Jun 2 at 2020 3:42 PM

MSgt Timothy Dwight — Tue, 02 Jun 2020 15:42:38 -0400

Vietnam Era. Enlisted in the Air Force Feb '74. Had orders for Thailand, canx as we were pulling out of SEA. Retired May '94. Salute all who served.

Response by Cpl Archie H. made Jun 2 at 2020 3:48 PM

Cpl Archie H. — Tue, 02 Jun 2020 15:48:55 -0400

When I was inpatient at Seattle VA for PTSD I was shocked more than once by all the veterans who never served in combat trying to get service connection for PTSD. In my two or three trips to the Vietnam Veterans memorial I stood and stared at the wall with its thousands of names. It is not 1 or 2 peoples names I know on the wall, but I am guessing maybe well over a hundred or more. My drill instructed Sgt Ruiz was killed in Vietnam. Many Marines names I knew when I was in charge of the Battalions mail in 1/27 Marines in Hawaii. 1/2 Marines received individual orders in May 1967. Many were killed most were wounded during and shortly after Tet 68. One Marine Captain Jay Vargas C/O of Bravo 1/27 won the CMH. At least two died in drunk car crashes after returning from Vietnam. Harvey Dodge and Jay Rome both died in drunk driving car crashes. So many untold stories of lost lives because of this war in and out of Vietnam. If it makes people feel better about their military service and not serving in Vietnam how can I stop them?.

Response by SSG Charles Kearney made Jun 3 at 2020 9:50 AM

SSG Charles Kearney — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 09:50:51 -0400

How Should we referred to those deferred for flimsy medical Reasons but played college sports and still to this day A avid golfer ??

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2020 10:17 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 10:17:36 -0400

I raised my hand in November of 1968 and graduated from Artillery OCS in October 1969. I fully expected to be sent to Vietnam but received another assignment in Germany. I have had people tell me I "got out of going to Vietnam" and that could not be further from the truth. We all told the Army to "do with us as you see fit".

Response by Sgt Erle Mutz made Jun 3 at 2020 7:17 PM

Sgt Erle Mutz — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 19:17:56 -0400

I am a (Combat wounded) Vietnam Vet. While I will not get 'up in arms' about it, there is a fine line to many Veterans on both sides of this issue.
The bottom line is this: A Vietnam Veteran (specifically) has served in-country (whether boots on the ground, in combat or not) "as described" by the Veterans Administration and/or Department of Defense because valid Vietnam Veterans have earned certain benefits that were NOT earned by other Veterans who served during the time of the Vietnam War. 'Other Veterans' who served in the various branches of our military (during the time of the Vietnam War) are considered to be Vietnam "ERA" Veterans, simply meaning that they served during the time of the war in Vietnam but were not 'in-country' in any capacity - at all.
This is just my opinion and how I was educated about the understanding of the 'terminology's meaning.

Response by SPC Steven Carroll made Jun 3 at 2020 10:44 PM

SPC Steven Carroll — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 22:44:58 -0400

If you went to Vietnam your a Vietnam Vet. If you served during Vietnam your a vet that's it.

Response by LCpl Thomas (Buddy) Broome made Jun 4 at 2020 2:10 AM

LCpl Thomas (Buddy) Broome — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 02:10:50 -0400

LCpl B Broome USMC
Many of my fellow Marines stood at ready every day for the call for many it never came this does not mean there service was any less important than those who did serve in Vietnam, The term of Vietnam vet should only refer to those who served in Country.

Response by CPT Wilbur Harris made Jun 4 at 2020 3:52 AM

CPT Wilbur Harris — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 03:52:47 -0400

If in a crowd and someone asks if there are any Viet Nam vets present, I will respond in the affirmative. I see no reason to not be addressed as a Viet Nam veteran. It does denote an individual who has served in combat whereas someone who has served in a non-combat overseas assignment has not. There is a difference. It is also appropriate to acknowledge someone as a WWII, Korean War, etc. etc. veteran. A veteran is a veteran, and a war veteran should be acknowledged as such. You won't be wrong if you do.

Response by PO2 Robert Mertz made Jun 4 at 2020 6:29 AM

PO2 Robert Mertz — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 06:29:03 -0400

No, only those who went to Vietnam should wear that title.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Jun 4 at 2020 11:18 AM

SPC Brian Stephens — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 11:18:50 -0400

No. There should be a distinction. I served DURING Desert Storm in Germany but was not selected because I was in V Corps. It would be wrong to call me a Desert Storm veteran because it implies I was in a combat theater when I was not. Yes, I suffer a little regret in not having deployed with my brothers but there was nothing I could do about it. But still, don't call me a Desert Storm vet. I did not get that honor because I was never there.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2020 2:28 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 14:28:13 -0400

No just like OEF/OIF. If you haven’t been there you can’t claim it

Response by SGT John Keating made Jun 4 at 2020 3:21 PM

SGT John Keating — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 15:21:29 -0400

Only those that were in Vietnam should be called Vietnam Vets those that served elsewhere should be Vietnam-era Vets.

Response by SSG Matt Matthews made Jun 4 at 2020 4:48 PM

SSG Matt Matthews — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 16:48:43 -0400

Nope. If you weren’t in country, you don’t get to make it sound like you were.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Jun 4 at 2020 7:09 PM

PO2 John Driskill — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 19:09:59 -0400

I was not in country but on an aircraft carrier for the last of the war. So should I be called a "Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club" Vet? Let's not stick handles on veterans period.

Response by Cpl Patrick Scanlan made Jun 4 at 2020 8:45 PM

Cpl Patrick Scanlan — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 20:45:58 -0400

If you weren’t in country just call yourself a vet or Vietnam era vet. Otherwise I think it’s appropriate to call yourself a Vietnam vet

Response by Lt Col Paul DeSisto made Jun 4 at 2020 10:03 PM

Lt Col Paul DeSisto — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 22:03:17 -0400

Is a WWII vet who served stateside a WWII veteran? He or she certainly is. Of course, that was a declared war where the entire country was mobilized. Big difference then than during the Viet Nam conflict period.

We also have to consider the Richard Blumenthal episode. He ran for Senate from Connecticut while claiming to be a Viet Nam veteran. He never left stateside. He was widely excoriated for it, rightfully so in my mind. Of course, it didn’t prevent his getting elected.

Response by SFC Dr. Jesus Garcia-Arce, Psy.D made Jun 4 at 2020 11:54 PM

SFC Dr. Jesus Garcia-Arce, Psy.D — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 23:54:40 -0400

Off course yes. What about the soldiers during World War II were sent to Panama to safe the canal.. was World war II veterans?

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Jun 5 at 2020 5:24 AM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 05:24:09 -0400

A Vietnam Veteran will always be a Vietnam Hero for me and, not just a Vet. Those we lost in that War, who sacrificed their lives for the freedom of their Comrades are selfless and deserve our Salute, I feel. This is a time of healing and relaxation for those Heroes of our services.

Those of us that still believe that Vietnam Heroes, who served in this era of our history, would be dishonored and denigrated, should forget negative thoughts and concentrate on the positive memories. This might be extremely difficult to achieve, yet the result will be helping others in our family. Try It.

Response by SPC Luis Cedrez made Jun 5 at 2020 10:44 AM

SPC Luis Cedrez — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 10:44:57 -0400

I served in the late 80s in Germany so this is interesting to me and I have no horse in this race. The Vietnam Service Medal is awarded ONLY if you were in Service in geographical theater areas of Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, or Cambodia during that time, etc. So Vietnam Vets should be the ones who were actually there. Otherwise they should be considered Vietnam ERA Vets. Don't believe they got a medal for the conflict. Similar to Panama. Unless you was actually there.

Response by SPC Luis Cedrez made Jun 5 at 2020 10:49 AM

SPC Luis Cedrez — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 10:49:42 -0400

As with any conflict, if you was not geographically there, you cannot call yourself a Vietnam Vet. Vietnam ERA Vet, yes. You cannot don the Vietnam Service Ribbon so it will not work. Like any other conflict, you have to be geographically there to be so honored for serving there.

Response by A1C John Skinner made Jun 5 at 2020 11:31 AM

A1C John Skinner — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 11:31:20 -0400

NO. I served in the AF from '63-'67 and I refuse to be called a Viet Nam vet. Whenever someone tries to call me that, I correct them.

I'm proud of my service but I am a Viet Nam ERA vet.

Response by Cpl Patrick Denis made Jun 5 at 2020 11:39 AM

Cpl Patrick Denis — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 11:39:46 -0400

I think you should give them whatever they need. Veterans from that era served and served incredibly despite the fact that they were not respected and even hated.

Response by SFC George Simons made Jun 5 at 2020 12:38 PM

SFC George Simons — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 12:38:59 -0400

If you served during the war you were a veteran. Only chance got you stationed OCONUS where you did it wasn't by choice.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2020 3:26 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:26:21 -0400

I am a Vietnam era veteran. I served in South Korea at the same time as the tet in nam and the enemy in North Korea opened up on us because they believed the United States could not hold two fronts. We came under enemy fire and were soaked with agent orange but I still considered myself a VN era vet not a VN vet.

Response by SGT James Meagher made Jun 5 at 2020 7:43 PM

SGT James Meagher — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 19:43:14 -0400

Vietnam era is appropriate. I served in Korea 1972. while Korea is still an armed truce, the Korean War is not officially over. I am a Korean War vet under that criteria, and appears on the DD214 IN VIETNAM OR KOREA SERVICE section. I might be a veteran of a foreign war, however it is a far cry from either hot war designation
1971-1974 is Vietnam Era

Response by PO2 Trevor Porter made Jun 5 at 2020 8:02 PM

PO2 Trevor Porter — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:02:11 -0400

I disagree with most people here, While I'll never say I was involved in the iraq/Afghanistan wars, I volunteered to join the navy, a whole lot of people were drafted. That in and of it self earns them the right to call themselves whatever they wish to call themselves. They where forced to give up everything while getting nothing in return. That is a heck of lot different then being a volunteer force. I have a large amount of respect to everyone who volunteered during that time but even more respect for those who got that letter and sucked it up and did what was demanded of them.

Response by SP5 Roy Williams made Jun 6 at 2020 7:27 AM

SP5 Roy Williams — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 07:27:43 -0400

Sorry I am old school. To serve is important. But the term Veteran means actually served in "
Country!" VFW had always looked at it this way (Veterans of Foreign Wars!)

Response by Maj Ted Mc Neel Sr. made Jun 6 at 2020 7:59 AM

Maj Ted Mc Neel Sr. — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 07:59:23 -0400

If you served a tour of duty in South Vietnam, you are entitle to be called a Vietnam Veteran. If you served from 1960 to 1975 anywhere but not in South Vietnam, you are a Veteran of the Vietnam Era. Its as simple as that! I am a Vietnam Veterans, MACVJ42, 1970-1971.

Response by SFC Richard Williamson made Jun 6 at 2020 9:03 AM

SFC Richard Williamson — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 09:03:09 -0400

I served in the Army from July 1972 - July 1992, and there was a time that I wasn't sure either, as to whether or not I was a VietNam vet, but in May 2019, I was set straight on that by a lady who was talking to me about "Honor Flights" which are free to WWII, Korean, and VietNam Vets. These flights take veterans from their home state and fly them back to the National Monument Park in DC. It's a 3 or 4 day tour and everything is paid for, for the veterans. When I asked if I qualified for the flight because I did not serve in combat, she assured me that I was indeed a VietNam vet. So now, I'm just waiting for the flights to resume. In short if you served during the time of a certain war, you are a veteran from that wartime.

Response by PO2 Michael Slachta made Jun 6 at 2020 11:24 AM

PO2 Michael Slachta — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 11:24:50 -0400

Why is this even an issue. You went where you were needed. I spent a couple of years in Vietnam (67-69). I am veteran, I don't make a big deal out of it, when we came home we did so individually and quietly...still keep it quiet. So if some one asks you were assigned where ever. There is no more prestige for being a Vietnam Vet or a Vietnam Era vet. We did our jobs and that's all that counts.

Response by CSM John Mead made Jun 6 at 2020 4:32 PM

CSM John Mead — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 16:32:20 -0400

The likelihood of you serving in Vietnam between 1962 and 1965 is minimal, as the bulk of Army forces didn't start arriving until late summer of 1965. I didn't say impossible, just unlikely. Any servicemember serving between 1941 and 1945 was deemed a WWII veteran, regardless if he actually served in a combat theater. Since then, one is not considered a veteran of that action, i.e., Korean War, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, or more currently, Iraq or Afghanistan, unless you were boots on the ground. You may personally be offended by a perceived unearned distinction, but could be right on the money all the same.

Response by PO1 Jimm Mooney made Jun 6 at 2020 5:09 PM

PO1 Jimm Mooney — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 17:09:47 -0400

I personally don't like the term "Vietnam Era Veteran", even though I served 71-76 with many who were coming back from "Nam. And, I certainly was trained to go, if my unit, or myself, were called to go.

I think it's absolutely insane that everyone seems to think every Vet needs a Veteran "Title"; Cold War Vet, Vietnam Era Vet and the list continues. Certainly, combat Veterans will identify with whatever combat zone they served in, and they Earned that right. However, in reality ALL Veterans are Veterans.
I don't need a so called "Title" to acknowledge my Veteran status having served in both the Army & the Navy. Those who feel the "need" for a "Title" outside of combat service, in my humble opinion, are looking for some kind of "validation" or some kind of "special" recognition for their service.

I saw that someone mentioned a "ribbon" for Vietnam Era Service, and I know that there is a Cold War "Medal". We used to call these PX or Gedunk ribbons and have very little meaning since you really didn't have to do anything "Special" to be given it. Kind of like the overseas service ribbon, you got it added to your records, but got no presentation of it; and all you had to do is serve in an overseas duty assignment for a certain period of time. All of these are just Fluff on your ribbon bars, and only serve to fill up the bottom of your ribbon bars.

I know I served, and was trained (and Trained others) with the best of the best in every "job" I had in the Military . I served my country proudly and have DD214's from both branches of service over a span of 14.5 years all together. I not only do not NEED a "Title" for my time in service other than VETERAN, I have no desire for one. Had I served in Combat with, and not merely along side of those returning, then I probably would better identify with the Combat Area (Vietnam, Desert Storm, Iraq, etc) I served in. But, I didn't.....so the only "Title" I EARNED for my time in service is VETERAN !!

Response by SMSgt Mike Wood made Jun 6 at 2020 10:43 PM

SMSgt Mike Wood — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 22:43:51 -0400

NO. If you did not serve in RVN then you have no claim as a Vietnam Vet. Only those that served in Country deserve that title. If you served DURING the Vietnam Conflict, you were already recognized with the NDSM.

Response by CSM Charles Turbeville made Jun 6 at 2020 11:17 PM

CSM Charles Turbeville — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 23:17:35 -0400

My take on this is that if you were not in country you are not a veteran of that war. The same goes for Desert Shield/Desert Storm, if you were not there you are not a veteran of that war.

Response by Bobby Young made Jun 7 at 2020 12:25 AM

Bobby Young — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 00:25:14 -0400

In country is self explanatory. My marine MOS required me to be in Yuma AZ and Kaneohe HI and El Toro California . Hollywood marine yes, Veitnam Nam vet Hardly.

Response by SSG Gary Runcie made Jun 7 at 2020 2:29 PM

SSG Gary Runcie — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 14:29:37 -0400

My answer is if you weren't in country you're an Vietnam era vet. I left A.I.T. in May of 72 I had orders for Vietnam, however upon arrival to Oakland repo depot I was told to fill out the requisite "Dream Sheet" and wonder of wonders my orders were changed to Okinawa. So I am a Vietnam Era vet and yes I caught all the same crap the combat vets got when I got stateside in late 74.

Response by SGT Philip Klein made Jun 7 at 2020 4:48 PM

SGT Philip Klein — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 16:48:50 -0400

No, you are not a veteran of the Vietnam War, you are a Vietnam era veteran.

Response by Capt Raymond Parks made Jun 7 at 2020 7:57 PM

Capt Raymond Parks — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 19:57:31 -0400

I volunteered to join the USAF in 1974 at the age of 17. Realistically, I knew my chances of going into combat in Vietnam were minuscule - I was entering the USAF Academy, I was not pilot or even navigator rated, and the war was stopping. I was awarded the NDSM (or, as we called it, the "Alive in Seventy-Five" ribbon). I'm certainly not a Vietnam Vet as were my father (two tours) and my father-in-law (three year tour). Both saw combat - my dad in the 1st Cav and my father-in-law shot a saboteur attempting to kill patients in his hospital. They were Vietnam Combat Vets. I am a Vietnam Era Vet. When I signed up, I knew it was possible that Vietnam could reignite or some other conflict could happen - during my active duty service, there were 23 international military operations by the US Armed Forces according to Wikipedia's Timeline of United States Military Operations and people died in combat in some of those operations. I call myself a Cold War Vet.

Response by Cpl Gabriel F. made Jun 7 at 2020 9:34 PM

Cpl Gabriel F. — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 21:34:58 -0400

The war continues to cause dissention among Veteran's when it should be remembered "Never again shall Veteran's turn the backs or look down upon fellow Veteran's"

Response by Pvt SanJuana Méndez made Jun 7 at 2020 9:59 PM

Pvt SanJuana Méndez — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 21:59:05 -0400

I served DURING Vietnam War era. I'm quick to correct anyone who calls me Vietnam vet. I believe ONLY ones who should be called Vietnam vets are those who actually engaged in combat, whether they were "in-country," aboard ship in combat zones or they flew into & around combat zones (which, contrary to DoD simplification, includes Laos & Cambodia).

Response by COL Michael Crutcher made Jun 8 at 2020 7:52 AM

COL Michael Crutcher — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 07:52:46 -0400

All veterans who served honorably deserve our respect, no matter where they served. Those stationed in Europe could have faced a Soviet invasion ... but the didn’t; I served in Germany for 13 years, so I know. However, I believe only those that served in Vietnam, in contiguous waters, or in associated airspace, or provided immediately direct support, such as those at airbases in Thailand that conducted operations over Vietnam, should be called “Vietnam Veterans,” as they faced dangers others did not, on the land, at sea, and in the air. It took a large chunk of the military, including supply personnel in CONUS to support the war, but those not “in theater” are not properly Vietnam veterans. The name “Veteran” alone is worthy of respect.

Response by SPC George Edwards made Jun 8 at 2020 9:01 PM

SPC George Edwards — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 21:01:24 -0400

I too served in Germany from 62-64. It was NOT Viet Nam by any means. My younger brother Ed got shot in Nam and suffered for years before he finally passed. Those guys deserve that distinction.

Response by SP6 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 9 at 2020 3:29 PM

SP6 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 15:29:24 -0400

I was a Vietnam era veteran. I enlisted in the Army reserves on the weekend of the 1st draft lottery and served an initial enlistment of 6 years. I re-enlisted for another 2 years and at the end of that enlistment I was honorably discharged as an E-6. Although I was spit on when in San Francisco and wearing the uniform, and experienced the other prejudices that we are all familiar with, I don't think it is right that I be called a Vietnam Veteran, as I was never deployed to active service nor was I in country.

Response by Sgt Bob Buster Adcock made Jun 9 at 2020 4:56 PM

Sgt Bob Buster Adcock — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 16:56:56 -0400

If you weren't in country you are not a Vietnam vet.

Response by SN Robert (Bob) Hutchins made Jun 10 at 2020 12:37 AM

SN Robert (Bob) Hutchins — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 00:37:13 -0400

I too served during this era, but spent no time in country. I served where my country wanted me. I’m not ashamed of that, but I have no desire to wear a title that could be misconstrued. Only those who served in country or in direct support should be offered the title, if they want it. My two bits, enough said.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Jun 10 at 2020 9:10 AM

SFC John Fourquet — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:10:35 -0400

No, there is a big difference between being in Vietnam (or what the military calls the theater of operations) and being on active duty some where else during the war. Everyone who served during the war is a Vietnam era veteran, only those who served in Vietnam are Vietnam veterans. Anyone who calls himself a Vietnam veteran and was no in Vietnam (or the theater of operations) during the war is lying sack of feces.

Response by CMSgt Patrick Dilling made Jun 10 at 2020 4:36 PM

CMSgt Patrick Dilling — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 16:36:28 -0400

I am a veteran of South East Asia (Thailand) from Sep '69 to Sep '70. I have the associated ribbons on my ribbon rack. I was never in country except to pass through Saigon coming and going. I never ever refer to myself as a Viet Nam vet. While I was over there to support them, I never was in combat or experienced the danger or trauma that those in Viet Nam or Cambodia did. Especially the grunts or those flying combat missions. I never had to shoot at anyone or fight. I feel I am one of the lucky ones. Yes I experienced the some of the disrespect back home, but it is not the same. My answer is I absolutely do not want to be called a Viet Nam Vet. I wasn't there. I am satisfied and proud to be a Viet Nam Era veteran, but to claim I was anything more would be claiming false honor.

Response by PO2 Greg Donahoe made Jun 11 at 2020 2:10 PM

PO2 Greg Donahoe — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:10:55 -0400

World War II was the last time I'm aware of when anyone in uniform, without any qualifiers was simply called a WWII Veteran. Qualifiers such as combat, if they served in the ETO or PTO might've been discussed, but there were no qualifiers on the basic status. In Korea and Vietnam, however, the fighting was theater specific so that's when the 'era' qualifier came into use. I think it's appropriate to add 'era' if one wasn't in theater. It's not a knock and has the benefit of being unambiguous about it. So, no, let Vietnam Veteran refer to those that served in country and Vietnam Era Veteran refer to those that served in that time but not in Vietnam.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2020 8:27 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Jun 2020 08:27:34 -0400

Why does it matter? Why should it be an issue? Someone who served, no matter when, no matter where, no matter what uniform, no matter Active, Reserve or Guard has my respect. I am a Vietnam Era Vet. If someone assumes I served in Vietnam I correct them. Do I have admiration and compassion for those who served in combat? Absolutely! However, getting wrapped around the axle because someone cares to call a Vietnam era vet a Vietnam Vet is nonsense. Thank all of you who have served. A special thanks to all who served in hostile theaters in combat.

Response by SP5 James Slark made Jun 12 at 2020 2:47 PM

SP5 James Slark — Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:47:07 -0400

No, I, too served in Germany for 3 years, 63-66. I certainly didn't face what fellow GIs did in Vietnam. Yes we faced the same anti war remarks when stateside, but I ,in no way would ever claim to be a Vietnam Vet. Many of my generation who were there would be apalled at someone who didn't serve in country referring to themselves as Vietnam Vets. I am proud to have served during that time and have nothing but respect for those who served in Vietnam.

Response by Audrey Krones made Jun 22 at 2020 6:49 PM

Audrey Krones — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 18:49:13 -0400

I see nothing wrong with being called a Vietnam Vet. I hear that all the time. You ask where or other questions and get answers. Just as my husband served in WWII. You say where, when etc.
"I'm a WWII Vet, I'm a Vietnam Vet" Don't make so much out of it. Let it alone.
I talk to Vet's at the VA all the time and that's what they call themselves).
Or I'm a marine and served in Germany.
My brother inlaw was a Helicopter Pilot in Viet Nam. He say Nam or Vietnam.

Response by SPC Mark Marquette made Jun 27 at 2020 2:54 AM

SPC Mark Marquette — Sat, 27 Jun 2020 02:54:41 -0400

I believe not only because I AM a Viet Vet; but, because it leads to confusion. So, you served DURING the Vietnam era. If you simply say "I served", people can usually figure out you estimated age, and, if interested, ask specifically if/where, et.c Just don't make sense to me, to say "I'm a Vietnam Vet", when you never saw the place.
I suppose a parallel is WWII. You say you served in the War. That's all needed, again, unless someone wants gory details. They don't ask if you served in The Solomons, or Coral Sea, or North Sea. They just accept you served in WWII.
So, my FINAL answer: No, leave "Vietnam Vet" to those who actually ARE.

Response by SFC James Beason made Jun 27 at 2020 9:23 AM

SFC James Beason — Sat, 27 Jun 2020 09:23:57 -0400

No, I was there and I really don’t think it make a better veteran than a soldier that wasn’t. It was 50/50 chance you could assigned. MOS made no difference.

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Jun 27 at 2020 8:38 PM

CWO4 Tim Hecht — Sat, 27 Jun 2020 20:38:13 -0400

I joined the Navy in 1970 and served on active duty until 1974. I joined the Coast Guard in 1975 and retired from active duty in 2001.

I served in the USS MIDWAY (CVA-41) from April 1972 - May 1974. Two days after I reported onboard we left Alameda, CA for WESTPAC. Twenty-eight days after we left we were bombing North Vietnam and later participated in the mining of Haiphong and Hanoi Harbors. Two Squadron COs are probably still arguing who dropped the bomb on the French Embassy killing the French Charge 'd' Affaires during the December 1972 escalation of bombing. We returned to Alameda on 3 March 1973 after being gone for 10 months and 3 weeks. Later, in September 1973 we left Alameda to be home-ported in Yokosuka, Japan. I never once set foot in- country in Vietnam.

I used to question whether or not I was a Vietnam or Vietnam Era Vet. So after some angst I came to the conclusion that I am a Vietnam Vet. I served in a Navy Ship while deployed in a Combat Zone; The Tonkin Gulf. I had a job that was directly related to the war; I built, tested, and helped supply Air Launched Guided Weapons to the Fighter and Bomber Squadrons attacking the enemy.

I had my job and I did it to the best of my ability. I am a Vietnam Veteran. I am also a Desert Shield/Desert Storm Era Veteran.

Response by SPC Ray Rigsby made Jul 1 at 2020 8:30 PM

SPC Ray Rigsby — Wed, 01 Jul 2020 20:30:54 -0400

I'm proud of any man that served and they all deserve respect! I think most Vets understand that being called a Vietnam Vet is very specific and is terminology that should only be accredited to the ones who were there!

Response by 1SG Dave McWilliams made Jul 2 at 2020 7:41 AM

1SG Dave McWilliams — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 07:41:26 -0400

Just sounds like an additional add without the pain that was actually felt by serving in Vietnam so absolutely no . If you haven’t served in OIF or OEF I’m not wanting someone to be called an OIF / OEF ERA VET

Response by SFC Frederick Dalton made Jul 2 at 2020 9:37 AM

SFC Frederick Dalton — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:37:23 -0400

If you weren’t in Vietnam, you are not a Vietnam veteran. It’s that simple.

Response by Cpl Robert King made Jul 2 at 2020 9:57 AM

Cpl Robert King — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:57:11 -0400

Yes!

Response by James Stiver made Jul 2 at 2020 11:56 AM

James Stiver — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 11:56:27 -0400

I don't feel that it would be right as I was stationed in Germany 1970-1974. I feel it should be for the soldiers who served and fought in country.

Response by SFC Steven Cheney made Jul 2 at 2020 12:18 PM

SFC Steven Cheney — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:18:22 -0400

I'm a Vietnam Era Vet, not a Vietnam vet. Big difference and I make that clear to anyone that tries to call me a Vietnam Vet!

Response by SGM Steve Domina made Jul 2 at 2020 1:01 PM

SGM Steve Domina — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 13:01:31 -0400

PUSA Lincoln said “To care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow, and his orphan.” Aren't Veterans veterans? We go where Unkie wants us to, period. We choose to do it. Those Vets that wear the CIB/EIB? I know where they served, so I give them a little more respect. We are called Veterans, the only distinction is where we served!

Response by CW2 James Hughes made Jul 2 at 2020 1:06 PM

CW2 James Hughes — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 13:06:21 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era Veteran. Nothing more. But the day I am buried in our National Cemetery, my headstone will show Vietnam. I found this out when my father was buried in the National Cemetery in Chattanooga. He served from 1947-1967 but never in Korea or Vietnam yet his headstone reflects both. Sort of clouds the issue. The Vietnam Veterans Association accepts not just individuals that served in country, but anyone that was on active duty (other than for training) at any duty location from 5 August 1964 to 7 May 1975. The same discussion can be had for our more recent wars/conflicts. I am proud to be “a Veteran” and a 2nd generation one at that. From 1969 to 1989, I went where I was ordered to go and did the job I was sent to do. Call me what you want, but to my fellow brothers and sisters who served honorably, we are all veterans.

Response by SSgt Terry Rowan made Jul 2 at 2020 2:55 PM

SSgt Terry Rowan — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 14:55:46 -0400

No ! It wouldn't be fair to those who served in Vietnam.

Response by Sgt R. Sterling Foster made Jul 2 at 2020 6:18 PM

Sgt R. Sterling Foster — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:18:16 -0400

I’m a decorated and disabled airman who was privileged to served with honor at NORAD headquarters and two bases in West Germany. I’m very proud of my service but I do not presume to call myself a Vietnam Vet. I was never “in country” but I could have been. It was the luck of the draw. I am however a Vietnam Era Vet.
Sgt. R. Sterling Foster

Response by MSG Felipe De Leon Brown made Jul 2 at 2020 7:19 PM

MSG Felipe De Leon Brown — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 19:19:28 -0400

No. There were many who chose MOSs that were less needed in Vietnam at the time as well as many who entered National Guard and Reserve units knowing that there was a lot less possibility of being sent to Vietnam. I, personally, respect any individual who served honorably and earned a DD-214 at the end of their honorable service but I don't think that it is fair to address a Vietnam-Era Vet as a Vietnam Vet. To me, it would be like referring to an infantry soldier as a Ranger even though the former has never attended the school.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Jul 2 at 2020 7:36 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 19:36:30 -0400

Sp4 Byron Skinner.

Some numbers on .04% of Army Troops were in the field constantly. MOst were 11B’s but also Scouts, Tankers and Tube Artillerymen were all so out for their entire tour. Out of the 11B’s in dismounted Infantry 40/90 would be killed or seriously wounded to the point they couldn’t return to duty. This is a rather selected group of men and any distinction they receive over other who served at the same time they deserve. It is lone past the time for the Army and the public to give us the respect we are due, I would be guessing bit most of the 11B’s who didn’t complete a full tour in “Nam have died, hopefully they all had as much of the post war good life as they could handle.

Response by 1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel made Jul 2 at 2020 10:00 PM

1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:00:56 -0400

Nope....I served from 1971-1975 as an Air Force medic, and did valuable work. I was ready for a PCS to Vietnam my entire enlistment, but did not serve “in-country”. I do not have the Vietnam ribbons on my “rack” as I did not qualify for them. The “Vietnam-Era” status came from somewhere but I am not comfortable using it as it can be confused with those who fought and supported in theater.

I endured the “baby killer” taunts once at O’Hare, which was really stupid since I was a medic! Being Air Force there was no identifier on my uniform to indicate my duty, so there was no way to indicate what a stupid taunt it was, but that still doesn’t qualify me.

Response by LCpl Michael Philip Oliver made Jul 2 at 2020 10:10 PM

LCpl Michael Philip Oliver — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:10:21 -0400

Easy to forget the abuse anyone associated with 'the machine' that one may have had during the late 60's and early 70's. I was attached to a MH-53 Squadron, 3rd Marine Air Wing. Enabled other squadrons to deploy fully stocked from our base in Santa Ana, California. Did not serve on RVN soil; thank God, albeit lost many others that did from 1965 to 1972. All the infighting between Veteran cliques is not admirable. ANYONE serving " honorary" and quite a few by definition who measured below this goalpost for the VA did in fact suffer from a rabid Majority of an American public demanding that we leave Southeast Asia. The Veterans who waited longer than a decade for the VA to render justice on their Claims/Appeals during the 2000's should be compensated for their time.

Response by Sgt Patrick Hayes made Jul 3 at 2020 6:33 AM

Sgt Patrick Hayes — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 06:33:23 -0400

No! Boots on the ground or in the South China Sea are Viet Vets. Drinking beer in Germany just doesn't count.

Response by PFC Terry Newell made Jul 3 at 2020 12:36 PM

PFC Terry Newell — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 12:36:45 -0400

No, a Veteran is a Veteran. While not every Veteran has seen Combat or been Disrespected like our Brothers and Sisters that Served during the Vietnam War Era, every Veteran has placed themselves in a position where they could have seen Combat whether we were at War or in Direct Conflict with a Foreign Adversary. We all signed up and accepted the possibility of being sent to War. I am Proud of my Service to this Nation just as is every other Veteran. We are Family and we should not place any Divisions between us. We were a team when we Served. Therefore, we are a team still today. Let the rest of Society Divide itself into different factions. Our Strength comes from our shared experiences. I will always consider every Veteran as a Family member and show them the Respect we all have Earned. Veteran is a Title that was Earned and not handed out to everyone.

Response by SGT John Reeb made Jul 3 at 2020 7:30 PM

SGT John Reeb — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:30:13 -0400

As a Vietnam vet, I believe anyone who actually served in that war zone should be called a Vietnam vet. If you served anywhere else, you are a Vietnam Era vet.

Response by MSgt Stuart Sibitzky made Jul 4 at 2020 12:11 AM

MSgt Stuart Sibitzky — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 00:11:36 -0400

Personally, I don’t see a problem. We were all in the “manpower pool” together and went when and where we were told. If you served with me, your duty station and MOS/AFSC is immaterial. We served, and mourn the losses that we saw, felt or know of. We were all in it together and have our own stories to tell and remembrances to deal with. Never forget.
Currently, the popular phrase seems to be “Black lives matter” when in fact “All lives matter”. If you feel the need to add a “color”, then you may be part of the problem.
I was over 21 combined with Army and Air Force. Served “in-country”, flew as a FAC back-seater and later as a B-52 gunner. I consider myself a Vet! Nothing more! I went where I was told to go just like the motor-pool mechanic that was sent to Germany instead of Tây Ninh or the Navy Corpsman who spent his time at Balboa instead of Khe Sahn. The descriptive title “Vietnam Vet”, as in “I was there, where were you?” seems to be a little “in your face”. Are you more special because you were “in country” as a clerk at MACV headquarters. More special than the security policeman outside, standing guard on a B-52 in North Dakota at 40 below? I served, retired 36 years ago and have so many stories to tell to anyone that wants to listen.
Charles Bifolchi, RF-4 Backseater, I remember!

Response by 1SG Adrion Whitaker made Jul 4 at 2020 7:36 AM

1SG Adrion Whitaker — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 07:36:49 -0400

There is a difference in Vietnam Vet and Vietnam Era Vet. If you served in country under enemy fire, exposed to the hazards of being in Vietnam then you are a Vietnam Vet. If you served in the US or other country where our troops where stationed, safe from the bullets of Vietnam you are a Vietnam Era Vet. Yes, we Vietnam Era Veterans served during the years of the Vietnam War but not in hostile territory. I am a Vietnam Era Veterans with 21 years total service to this country. Do not disrespect the Vietnam Veteran! They earned the badge of honor.

Response by MAJ Gerald Hansen made Jul 4 at 2020 4:38 PM

MAJ Gerald Hansen — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:38:22 -0400

My time of service overlapped before the legal end of Vietnam. In no way am I a Vietnam veteran being addressed would make me feel I stole valor. I’m not sure I qualify as a Vietnam era veteran.

Response by SPC John Dodge made Jul 4 at 2020 5:33 PM

SPC John Dodge — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 17:33:17 -0400

Heck, I was called a 'baby killer' when I came back from Germant in '77.

Response by SPC John Dodge made Jul 4 at 2020 5:34 PM

SPC John Dodge — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 17:34:13 -0400

Heck, I was called a 'baby killer' when I came back home from Germany in '77.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Jul 4 at 2020 8:14 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 20:14:24 -0400

Today is July 4, 2020 I say that because these things get posted over time. The question is about Vietnam veterans versus Vietnam era veterans. The question only comes up with the Vietnam know with any of the other boys before. My theory is that at that time so what are you and insignia making made a great leap forward and we started labeling things like our hats. A person that served in in the time of World War II and never left the continental United States was awarded the same respect as anybody that landed on D-Day or any of the South Pacific islands. I would certainly not say that I am equal to some ranger

Response by SSgt James Carter made Jul 5 at 2020 10:54 AM

SSgt James Carter — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 10:54:16 -0400

The State of Arkansas actually has both Vietnam Veteran and Vietnam Era Veteran vehicle license plates. They leave it up to the individual to make the proper selection. I believe most do based on meeting and chatting with some.

Response by SFC Gilberto Rivera made Jul 5 at 2020 12:53 PM

SFC Gilberto Rivera — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 12:53:41 -0400

I have met many Vietnam Veterans and never addressed them as that. If that is going to be the standard than why not address WWII, Iraqi, or Afghanistan Veterans per the battle in which they have participated in. The casualties of warfare happens, the innocences unfortunately are part of it and to call anyone a baby killer is straight wrong. The way our media covered the Vietnam conflict was driven by news sensationalism and in reality the birth of fake news. The Soldiers during that timeframe were treated absolutely wrong by the public since they were misinformed and the reign of terror from the jungles to the unsafe zone of our idewalks continued in the most awful ways, resulting in many becoming homeless and losing hope in humility to become members of the 22 club.

Response by PO1 Anthony Sam made Jul 5 at 2020 1:46 PM

PO1 Anthony Sam — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 13:46:17 -0400

Why not just don't them Shirley.

Response by SP5 Leo Fitz made Jul 5 at 2020 2:25 PM

SP5 Leo Fitz — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 14:25:57 -0400

Never been an issue with me, I just say I fought the war in Georgia.

Response by LT Stewart Herrick made Jul 5 at 2020 2:42 PM

LT Stewart Herrick — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 14:42:12 -0400

There is a big difference between being a Viet Nam ERA vet and being a Viet Nam vet!!! I don't know where CPT Durish served but, his conclusion is bang on, "Vietnam Era Vets are not Vietnam Vets." A real enemy, live ammunition and Agent Orange are big distinctions. Agent Orange changed my life and still does almost 50 years later!

Response by Cpl Don "GUNNY" Miller made Jul 5 at 2020 3:36 PM

Cpl Don "GUNNY" Miller — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 15:36:32 -0400

If you were IN COUNTRY you are a Viet Nam Veteran, if not you were a Viet Nam Era Veteran, simple.

Response by 1SG Joseph Dartey made Jul 5 at 2020 7:54 PM

1SG Joseph Dartey — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:54:28 -0400

No. I had two uncles that did several tours in Nam, but I enlisted in the Army in 1974 and was told by my recruiter there was a slight possibility of my going to Vietnam, but I ended up in Germany after AIT. When I lived in Virginia, up until last year, I showed my support by attending the Monument Terrace Troop Rally (on Facebook) every Friday with other veterans and retirees (WW2 - Afghanistan) from different branches of the military. One evening there was an event to welcome home Vietnam Veteran and Era Veterans. Toward the end of the event, all Vietnam Veterans and Era Veterans were called on stage to receive pins and certificates. I told one fellow veteran who I knew very well that I didn't feel right for going on stage because I did not serve in Nam. Charlie looked at me and said "get your ass up there because you served us in a different capacity." I did go on stage, received the pin and certificate, but, and there is always a but, I carried that pin and certificate in my vehicle and I came across a Vietnam Veteran in Kroger's. I immediately went to my vehicle and presented the lapel pin and certificate to him. I told him how I received them and that I was not a Nam vet, he smiles, thanked me and said "Thank you for you service and sacrifice."

On another note, my 13 year old son always goes up to every veteran he sees and thanks them for their service and sacrifice and he has joined the Civil Air Patrol with intentions of joining the Air Force when he is older. I am so proud of him!

Response by SPC Edward T Harris made Jul 5 at 2020 8:48 PM

SPC Edward T Harris — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 20:48:32 -0400

I was in as a Direct fire crewman and spent my time in the European arena. I say no. Viet Nam was hell and to say we saw and did what they did, no. I think the distinction of a Cold War Vet was plenty. And to disagree with CPT Jack, I asked to go in January of 72 and was told NO the president was winding down, or so he implied. I was Infantry and still had no chance of going, at that moment in time.

Response by TSgt Stephen Crumb made Jul 5 at 2020 10:03 PM

TSgt Stephen Crumb — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 22:03:55 -0400

I served starting in 1973. but I was never in SEA. I always make the distinction that I am a Vietnam Era veteran. Same thing for Desert Storm. Consider myself more of a Cold War vet.

Response by SGT Daniel Duty made Jul 5 at 2020 11:01 PM

SGT Daniel Duty — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 23:01:23 -0400

Not the same!

Response by SGT Joseph Yost made Jul 5 at 2020 11:39 PM

SGT Joseph Yost — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 23:39:48 -0400

I have been addressed as Vietnam Veteran and I can say I do not like it very much it dates you and sometimes brings on memories I would prefer not to have. If you are to address me I would prefer my name used or referred to as Vet or Veteran. It puts me in a class I am happy to belong too.

Response by Lt Col Leo Shockley made Jul 6 at 2020 12:07 AM

Lt Col Leo Shockley — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 00:07:07 -0400

I was not in country towards the end. While the war was still technically going on, I would not call myself even a Vietnam Era vet.

Response by SrA Angel Rodriguez made Jul 6 at 2020 12:40 AM

SrA Angel Rodriguez — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 00:40:47 -0400

After reading some of the comments in here, I gained some clarity on the whole concept. If you were not present in the war zone then you should not claim the title of that "war's vet." I was in during the second Gulf War, but I never deployed so I have never called myself a Gulf War veteran. I think its disrespectful to those who were actually deployed and saw combat. I'm just a veteran. :-)

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Jul 6 at 2020 1:04 AM

MSG John Duchesneau — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 01:04:03 -0400

No. To call someone a Vietnam Veteran implies they were in Vietnam. I'm an Iraq War Veteran but I also served through 14 years of our involvement in Afghanistan. I have no right to be called an Afghanistan Veteran because I wasn't there.

Response by PO3 Jay Rose made Jul 6 at 2020 3:10 AM

PO3 Jay Rose — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 03:10:42 -0400

Simple answer: HELL NO!!!

How could you be a vet of a war that you never actually participated in?!

My humble opinion says that it takes away from the valor of the vets who actually served in the war, the ones who could have come home in a pine box, not a bus back to your parents house!

Response by SSG James Witt made Jul 6 at 2020 5:14 AM

SSG James Witt — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 05:14:59 -0400

I asked my father this question as he is a Vietnam era veteran. He said, I never went to country, so I am not a Vietnam veteran.

Response by Maj Glen Prince made Jul 6 at 2020 12:24 PM

Maj Glen Prince — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 12:24:57 -0400

If academy cadets who flew into Vietnam on an incentive flight are called Vietnam Vets, why would those of in Thailand and Guam as B-52 crew members training to deploy to Vietnam not receive even more consideration given the fact that the war ended while we were preparing to go bomb the north?

Response by Sgt Ralph Jones made Jul 6 at 2020 1:21 PM

Sgt Ralph Jones — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 13:21:26 -0400

yes they should be. every war ! people still on duty got it so why not they still did there duty

Response by MSG Moises Maldonado made Jul 6 at 2020 2:06 PM

MSG Moises Maldonado — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 14:06:15 -0400

Not only "NO" but Hell No.. That's a privilege to someone that has been in Country.. Longbinh/Saigon here.. 69-71

Response by SSgt Hal Kiah made Jul 6 at 2020 2:25 PM

SSgt Hal Kiah — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 14:25:10 -0400

I first enlisted in early 75. When I took my oath and the office finished my paperwork up, they told me that I was now considered a vietnam era veteran. I asked how that could be when (1) I just entered service and had yet to go thru basic, and (2) obviously I wasnt there serving, AND everything had wound down? Their response was the time frame made me such. It kind of made me feel like my father did during WWII when he scratched his arm on an apple tree branch while grabbing some tonmake a meal for his team. He went to the aid tent to get it taken care of and some bigwig came through asking how he got the wound. The same officer said he would get a purple heart for that, and my father told him, "If that's all you're giving it away for, I don't want anything to do with the damned thing!"
I've since talked with numerous Nam vets about wearing such a hat. Many said to wear the hat that says Vietnam vet. I Do wear the the Era hat, as of the time, but have reservations about the vet hat. Those I spoke with said that if anything, I would be honoring those who were there. It's been years since that time and I still have the hat, and the reservations. But I'm still considering it. My respects, as always, to those who were there

Response by CSM Bob DeMuth made Jul 6 at 2020 5:44 PM

CSM Bob DeMuth — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 17:44:10 -0400

As orders were passed out after AIT everyone of us were hoping we did not get orders for Nam. The fear or anguish of getting orders for Nam was real for all of us. The relief of some was easy to see in their faces. The ones like myself who got orders for Nam were faces that were also easy to read. I tried to remain stoic but had the urge to call home and give my family the news. Bottom line is all of us had a job to do. Wether it was support in country or somewhere else. We all put up with the same BS in the states when we traveled. We are all Vietnam Era Vets. Just some of us were shot at and others were not. If they want to be called Vietnam Vets I could care less. Just as long as they dont say they served in country. I believe they deserve all the benefits any Veteran should get.

Response by TSgt Douglas Greenwood made Jul 6 at 2020 9:26 PM

TSgt Douglas Greenwood — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 21:26:58 -0400

A question that still lingers after 45 years. Some of us served in Thailand and saw action, some of us served in Vietnam and didn’t see action. What difference does it make? Did you serve, then you’re a veteran, that’s it, we are all veterans, that’s what counts. I can’t understand why this question doesn’t go away, is it an issue, are you trying to impress someone? Let it go, it just doesn’t matter. Next it will be, were you a Vietnam vet in-country or not

Response by Sgt Dan Schuster made Jul 6 at 2020 10:28 PM

Sgt Dan Schuster — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 22:28:04 -0400

Facts are facts. I spent 1 year in country, June '66 to June '67. That doesn't make me special or better than anyone else. All vets are my brothers/sisters. Some of us served in Vietnam. Some served elsewhere. Those who served in Vietnam are Vietnam vets. Others are veterans of service elsewhere. Facts are facts.

Response by Cpl Richard Leonard made Jul 7 at 2020 12:33 PM

Cpl Richard Leonard — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 12:33:52 -0400

I agree with Jack Durish, I served and have met many who did not and they have guilt because they did not get called to that hell hole. I have told them you were ready and you wore the uniform so you are my brother, I am no more of a Marine than You. When you walked through that airport or went home on leave you were told Maybe you should not wear that uniform home on leave. Now trying to get PTSD is another story.
Just me saying
Semper Fi

Response by Sgt Danny Johnson made Jul 7 at 2020 1:08 PM

Sgt Danny Johnson — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 13:08:50 -0400

if you didn't walk the walk, you shouldn't talk the talk....

Response by SGT James Wandler made Jul 7 at 2020 1:45 PM

SGT James Wandler — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 13:45:11 -0400

I think only those vets who served in county should be referred to as Vietnam Vets. A person I know who served during the Vietnam war spent a lot of his time skiing in the Swiss Alps and cruised Europe, should not have the honor of being called a Viet Vet.

Response by PO3 Steve Ayola made Jul 7 at 2020 1:46 PM

PO3 Steve Ayola — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 13:46:48 -0400

I was a Vietnam era Balboa Hospital Vet, Naval Hospital Oakland vet, NRMC Camp Pendleton vet. NRMC Pearl Harbor, NRMC Ford Is vet. Never made it to Vietnam. Seems like an easy answer to me.
I did, however have the honor of being a Neuropsyciatric Technician in service to all of those guys who spent time "in-country" and had to come home in need of help (from our Psychiatrists and Psychologists.) I think I'll leave the title of "Vietnam Vet" to them.

Response by SSG Alfred Woods made Jul 7 at 2020 5:50 PM

SSG Alfred Woods — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 17:50:53 -0400

Its rather simple... If anyone served in any branch of the U.S. Military during a war, you are a veteran of that war, whether you actually fought or not. If there was no war during your time of service, then your a veteran who has served his\her country.

When a commander stands before his unit, he\she is aware of the soldiers who may have actually fought on the battle field. But, he\she is addressing the unit and it was the unit that fought and trained for the battle(s).

A veteran trains for the mission and if he\she is not called to task and exits the military, he\she is still a veteran. A veteran who is called to task (Battle) and completes his\her task, is a battle tested veteran or combat veteran, which he\she will display the affiliation patch on their left shoulder, indicating he\she has served in a combat environment.

Response by PO2 Walter Dean made Jul 7 at 2020 6:36 PM

PO2 Walter Dean — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 18:36:03 -0400

was in the navy 68-72 served on a destroyer spent almost all my time in a gun mount during gun fire support missions fill that I qualify as combat vet even though I was not in country, a lot of veterans think we were safe, not true safer but far from safe a tough choice think they should be Vietnam era military

Response by CPL Kevin Anthony made Jul 7 at 2020 8:18 PM

CPL Kevin Anthony — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:18:47 -0400

YES THEY SHOULD

Response by Audrey Krones made Jul 7 at 2020 10:26 PM

Audrey Krones — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 22:26:24 -0400

I said before I feel "Vietnam Vet" is not in appropriate. Korean Vet ? what's the difference?
My brother in law was there.
I feel there needs to be appreciation and respect no matter what.

Response by Cpl Xavier Scott made Jul 7 at 2020 10:40 PM

Cpl Xavier Scott — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 22:40:19 -0400

No matter where the troops deploy to conduct operations, many others would not agree with operations involving what those of others call it.
We must honor the sacrifice of our service members regardless of any political ideologies or affiliations.
Many did not make it home and the burden of traumatic events are being carried by many who were lucky to survive the dangers of being in a military associated risks.
It is just proper to address Veterans, regardless of war era, as they served and took the risk to fight for what is right and being enjoyed by many and future generations to continue the legacy of doing good by defending and preserving that Flag's meaning. #2cents

Response by Terry Pinion made Jul 8 at 2020 4:32 AM

Terry Pinion — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 04:32:23 -0400

A Vietnam era vet is not a war veteran the way that those who served in country are with the exception of the b-52 aircrew that flew out of Guam to bomb nva and vc they never had boots on the ground but did enter hostile north Vietnamese air space

Response by Cpl Robert Peaslee made Jul 8 at 2020 10:03 AM

Cpl Robert Peaslee — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 10:03:11 -0400

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2020 11:11 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 11:11:30 -0400

I would give the same respect either way.

Response by SGT Stephen Robinson made Jul 8 at 2020 3:52 PM

SGT Stephen Robinson — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:52:07 -0400

emphatically NO. by this logic anyone who was 18 between 61 and 73 should be called a Vietnam vet. We fought it, give us the respect we deserve

Response by CDR Vic Monzon made Jul 8 at 2020 6:13 PM

CDR Vic Monzon — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 18:13:22 -0400

Here is a slightly different slant on this. My Dad's gravestone in Ft Rosecrans Natl Cemetery shows, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. He was in during those Eras, but never went in country for any of those. Hence he is "just" an Era Vet. I on the hand, although merely a Vet Nam Era Vet, had to wait until Desert Storm to see Combat. I DO NOT call myself a Viet Nam Vet.

Response by MAJ Bill Michelson made Jul 8 at 2020 6:42 PM

MAJ Bill Michelson — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 18:42:55 -0400

I was an enlisted soldier from 70 to 73, serving in various US posts and in Belgium. Yes I received the taunts. Spits and vitriol on me and my uniform, BUT, I consider myself a Viet era vet. I was not pushing a rifle in the swamps or up a mountain. I don't think I should be called a Vietnam Vet

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2020 8:13 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 20:13:47 -0400

It depends on the circumstances the question is asked and why do they show that picture of ARVN troops being offloaded by unmarked helicopters?

Response by Maj Gene Russell made Jul 8 at 2020 8:45 PM

Maj Gene Russell — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 20:45:12 -0400

Vietnam Vets should apply only to those who served in Southeast Asia during the time of the war in Vietnam. Troops aboard ships who never set foot in Vietnam and troops who served in Thailand should be called Vietnam Vets.

Response by Maj Martin Smith made Jul 8 at 2020 8:48 PM

Maj Martin Smith — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 20:48:50 -0400

If you don't have a VSM on your DD 214 you are not a Vietnam vet.

Response by MAJ Kevin Mason made Jul 8 at 2020 9:10 PM

MAJ Kevin Mason — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 21:10:26 -0400

No!

Response by SFC Carl Mick made Jul 8 at 2020 9:55 PM

SFC Carl Mick — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 21:55:07 -0400

noway, you want to be a vet, go fight for it

Response by SSG Jim Strickland made Jul 8 at 2020 10:04 PM

SSG Jim Strickland — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 22:04:28 -0400

I had no choice in the matter of where I was going, it was not up to me nor did I choose my duty assignment. I figured the government knew where I was needed so I had no decision in it. I was ready to go where ever they needed me. I am proud to have served with some of greatest people I have ever met and I will remember the time I served proudly!!!!!

Response by SGT Ben Price made Jul 8 at 2020 10:06 PM

SGT Ben Price — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 22:06:27 -0400

I served in Germany at the end of the Vietnam era and always felt I didn’t do my part to serve in the war. I never felt right to claim to be a Vietnam vet

Response by SP5 Lynn Adams made Jul 9 at 2020 8:54 AM

SP5 Lynn Adams — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 08:54:15 -0400

NO! They did not have to worry about being killed or maimed by rockets, gunfire , etc. They had the choice to go downtown and feel safe all the time. 1St. Air Cav. '69 Phouic Vinh

Response by MSG Dennis Lane made Jul 9 at 2020 10:44 AM

MSG Dennis Lane — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 10:44:49 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era vet. I am retired now, but I was in from 1966 to 1991. I served in various US posts, as well as Korea and Germany, but never in Viet Nam. I do not refer to myself as a Viet Nam veteran, because I feel that overstates my status, and is an affront to those who served in that combat zone. And therein lies the difference. Having never stepped on the ground of Viet Nam, I was never in harm's way. They were.

Response by SSgt Michael Karr made Jul 9 at 2020 10:49 AM

SSgt Michael Karr — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 10:49:39 -0400

I was in remote isolated Alaska and all over Europe and the Middle East. I spent eight years in the USAF. Four of those years in the Vietnam era.
I always make the distinction between Vietnam Vet and Vietnam era vet. I feel guilty at times that I was never sent to Vietnam. I took a lot of crap when I was stateside but I would never dare equate myself to a Vietnam veteran! They earned a whole different level of respect that I don’t qualify for or deserve!

Response by MSG Keith O'Donnell made Jul 9 at 2020 11:36 AM

MSG Keith O'Donnell — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 11:36:05 -0400

My father was a Vietnam era veteran 1961, my uncle was a Vietnam combat veteran 1968. I wore the uniform for 25 years. I served stateside during the Gulf War and got a NDSM, I am a combat veteran of Iraq in 2003, at the time I was serving under Global War in Terrorism (GWOT) in OIF, some of my friends were servings in Afghanistan under GWOT in OEF, my wife served stateside under GWOT. All of us can rightly claim to be veterans of the Global War in Terrorism but, only those in theater can claim to be an Iraq or an Afghanistan Veteran. You are not a veteran of any conflict if you did not have boots on the ground. If you have the Campaign Medal you are a veteran of that conflict. Other wise you a still a veteran, still served your country, still a valuable assert and deserving of recognition of your sacrifice. But, a person serving Vietnam area is no more a Vietnam Veteran than I am a Gulf War Veteran.

Response by PO1 Redone Heart made Jul 9 at 2020 12:33 PM

PO1 Redone Heart — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 12:33:00 -0400

I think if a person wants to wear attire that says Vietnam Vet they should have been in country. If that person was not in country but served during that time, there is attire that says Vietnam Era Vet and this could be worn. In my opinion wearing or displaying something that says Vietnam Vet when you have not been in country is in a way stolen valor.

Response by CPT Aleksandar Lazarevich made Jul 10 at 2020 7:24 AM

CPT Aleksandar Lazarevich — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:24:42 -0400

Absolutely! While in the reserves, I was provisionally assigned to the 23rd Infantry. As a commissioned officer, I escorted a soldier's remains and his family back from Germany as was spit upon and abused though I did shelter the family I was escorting. I feel that even though I did not serve in country, I am still a Vietnam vet!

Response by CPT Aleksandar Lazarevich made Jul 10 at 2020 7:26 AM

CPT Aleksandar Lazarevich — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:26:31 -0400

AUSA considers me a Vietnam vet, just not an in country vet.

Response by Sgt Mervyn Russell made Jul 10 at 2020 8:05 AM

Sgt Mervyn Russell — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 08:05:26 -0400

I'm a Vietnam Vet, I served in Country '67-'68, I was there during the Tet offensive, I was exposed to Agent Orange as a result I have heart disease. I don't feel that because I was in country that I deserve any other title other than a Vietnam Vet. All that served is a Vet, no matter where you were stationed. My dad was a WW2 Vet he served during that time. Yes that makes him a WW2 Veteran. There were jobs that were to be done, Maybe if you were in support of those in combat you fulfill a purpose that was needed at a place and time that was needed to support any or all combat personnel. We served a purpose where it was needed. Don't belittle ones that were not in a combat zone. Without the support that we got from all of the personnel, we could not have fulfilled our mission.

Response by SFC Gary Pike made Jul 10 at 2020 8:39 AM

SFC Gary Pike — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 08:39:52 -0400

My father was a Vietnam "era" Veteran and served in Germany (1972-73). I still want to get "Vietnam" removed from his VA Plaque on his headstone, if it can't be changed to "Vietnam-era" and add "Gulf War-era".

Honor their service accurately. I don't see the problem with making the distinction for historical accuracy.

Response by PO3 Barney Mcdonald made Jul 10 at 2020 11:39 AM

PO3 Barney Mcdonald — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:39:13 -0400

I never considered myself a Vietnam Vet, I was active duty 66-70, not in country, Vietnam Era is fine with me.

Response by Sgt Stephen Brown made Jul 10 at 2020 1:40 PM

Sgt Stephen Brown — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:40:07 -0400

Don’t understand what the big deal is. Everyone who was drafted or joined had no idea what they would be doing but everyone did as they were told. We all had jobs to do be it a pilot, supply, or a grunt to support one another. We all served for one purpose so I don’t see why one group stands out more than another. I don’t recall hearing WW1,WWll, or Korea vets making a big deal about the job they had so why should Vietnam vets be any different ?

Response by SSG James N. made Jul 11 at 2020 8:50 AM

SSG James N. — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 08:50:07 -0400

My uncle Johnny Finley served 2 tours in Viet Nam, his second being in Da Nang with TRIM.
If you were not there, you are not. It is simple, if you did not go to Viet Nam, you are not a viet nam vet. You are a vet. Maybe we should change the name to be more reflective, like Boomer Era vets and Gen X era vets, and, well you get teh idea, becuase I am a OEF vet and I have buddies who simply are just vets.

Response by LTC Warren Miller made Jul 11 at 2020 1:35 PM

LTC Warren Miller — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:35:31 -0400

I am a veteran. Specifically I proudly label myself as a Army Veteran. I was in during Desert Storm, got the NDSM, but decline the label and special license plate because I never saw the sandbox. I served through 9/11, OIF, and OEF, got a device for my NDSM, but decline the labels and license plates because I remained CONUS and trained those who went down range. I spent a short time in an Afghan combat zone but decline calling myself a “combat veteran” due to the short time spent and the lack of action. A label used inaccurately can be a form of stolen valor. I suspect tacking “era” on to the existing label was done to confuse and tacitly embellish the facts while still being technically accurate.

Response by SPC Dave Kloser made Jul 11 at 2020 4:24 PM

SPC Dave Kloser — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 16:24:54 -0400

I joined the service, on delayed entry in 1973, but didn't enter until 1974, until 1977. I was stationed stateside for PS with nukes, then sent over to Germany as a white hat MP. As an MP, we had battles with our own troops on a daily basis. The re-enlisted guys from Nam, went thru hell in the bush/delta's. I witnessed 1st. hand, what it did to them. Out of honor & respect for our guys in combat/battle zones, I never considered myself a NAM Vet., only Nam Era. Many I met are dead now, and so damn many are still suffering the emotional & physical PAIN. To all my Veteran Brothers who faced combat, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. May God Bless every damn one of you.

Response by SPC Dave Kloser made Jul 11 at 2020 5:56 PM

SPC Dave Kloser — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 17:56:29 -0400

Veteran Brothers know, that's why we receive the damn ribbons.

Response by MSG Jim Cleffi made Jul 11 at 2020 6:39 PM

MSG Jim Cleffi — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 18:39:41 -0400

I was with the 82nd during Vietnam. Our Brigade was not deployed to Vietnam at that time. We remained as a Deployment Readiness Force. I am NOT a Vietnam Vet and do not refer to myself as such. Honestly, I don't refer to myself as a Vietnam Era Vet......just a Vet. I remained on Active Duty into 1993. I retired after Desert Storm and Somalia. I am a Vet. Having said that, I've never heard of a WWII Era Vet or a Korean War Era Vet. I have 4 uncles that served during WWII. Two in combat in the Pacific, 1 in Alaska and 1 at a weather station in the Caribbean......all refer to themselves as WWII Vets. Perhaps because the Country was more unified or less "fraternal" 75 years ago. Maybe they considered themselves all brothers in the service of their Country. I don't know, just my thoughts.

Response by MAJ James Woods made Jul 11 at 2020 7:27 PM

MAJ James Woods — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:27:02 -0400

Combat Veterans are indeed a Veteran of that war so WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Afghanistan, and Iraq. So yes it’s appropriate to call them as appropriate. Those that served but not in the Theater of war has no business labeling themselves as a combat veteran of that war.

Response by SGT Justin Brothen made Jul 12 at 2020 1:38 AM

SGT Justin Brothen — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 01:38:26 -0400

Most certainly not, I served during the Afghanistan war. Never went there, never would I refer to myself as a Afghan war vet.

Response by SPC Robert Velez-Albino made Jul 12 at 2020 9:24 AM

SPC Robert Velez-Albino — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 09:24:30 -0400

I served from '79 to '83, two years in Germany, and the rest in the states, my DD-214 said Vietnam era. It is not the soldiers' fault that the system categorizes us being a Vietnam vet. I know I served after the war that's not my fault but if the war wood had continued I was ready to serve in combat. There is no reason why everyone seems to be blaming the soldier when the blame comes from the top of the chain. We all signed up to serve and protect and the contract we all signed was to serve in any capacity. We are all soldiers regardless of any situation when we all wear the uniform we are all one. So! some serve in combat and some did not we still served. So stop blaming soldiers for the decisions that people on the top made. This is not a debate this is about separation mindset. Would you had said the same thing about the Reserves or National Guard back then why they do not serve in combat when they too wear the uniform?

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Jul 12 at 2020 6:58 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:58:23 -0400

I think they should be referred to as "veterans" and respected. If they want to be called "Vietnam Vets", so be it.

Response by Sgt Michael Neal made Jul 12 at 2020 9:00 PM

Sgt Michael Neal — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:00:39 -0400

I believe there are proper stages of designation : 1. if you served during time of Vietnam but never in Vietnam you are a Vietnam Era Veteran. 2. if you served in Vietnam but saw no combat you are a Vietnam War Veteran . 3. if you served in Vietnam ,Saw actual combat (received the proper device, CAR,CIB ,CMB .you are a Vietnam Combat War Veteran.This is true far any war I believe.

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made Jul 13 at 2020 2:45 PM

Sgt Peter Schlesiona — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 14:45:49 -0400

No. It’ simply not accurate. You’re either a Vietnam vet who served in-country or you’re not. No one else has any claim to bring a Vietnam vet.

Response by SSG David Angell made Jul 13 at 2020 11:20 PM

SSG David Angell — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:20:52 -0400

I served from 69 to 72. I was stationed in Okinawa. Our unit (Air Force) was assigned to help and train South Korean Military (F102). Our sister Squadron was assigned to support units in Viet Nam (C130s). Some of them went to Nam.
As a young E-4 I had served TDY to Korea. While at Okinawa, I volunteered to go to Viet Nam, but it was our shop airmen that got the assignment, not the flight line crew.
Now you ask how I see myself? During college, I was called a baby killer. Like most people, that served in that time frame. Most of us ignored them. But ignorance is a hard thing to correct.
I didn't try to explain to them that I never served in NAM. It wouldn't have done any good. So I let it slide.
I consider myself a VIETNAM ERA VETERAN! If someone, like me, who served in the era and want to consider them a Vietnam veteran, thats on them. What ever makes them comfortable. I don't or wouldn't chastise them for how they feel.
We all had a job to do in that time frame. Some went to war, others supported them..Some came back alive, some didn't.
I would salute any person who served in that time frame, whether in COUNTRY, or support.

Response by PV2 Bruce Wade made Jul 14 at 2020 12:42 AM

PV2 Bruce Wade — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:42:16 -0400

I vote for the original distinction between those "in Country" and the rest of us not subject to the risks and painful experiences of seeing combat there.

I would rather the Viet Nam Vet term be kept to honor those who did serve in a difficult conflict.

I always refer to myself as an "Era" Vet as my overseas service was in Korea and while that would not be obvious to a civilian back home, I did not suffer much if any abuse for having a uniform at the time..

Response by GySgt Marc Dickerson made Jul 15 at 2020 12:26 AM

GySgt Marc Dickerson — Wed, 15 Jul 2020 00:26:30 -0400

I believe most of us here are vets (active duty or post service). And we know it's BS to claim you did something while you were in that you didn't do. Claiming to be something you're not is sad and shallow. I think it's the same for non-combat folks that deployed, but never saw combat or were never danger close to any action, but want everyone to think they are the next Rambo simply because they deployed. They sat back in the rear with the gear and the beer. Of course I say this as a 2 combat tour Nam grunt that had friends that didn't make it home, or they came home with pieces missing, or Agent Orange problems. So my opinion, not that it really counts for anything, is if you want to be a fraud and a phony, go ahead and call yourself something you aren't. But you have to look at yourself in the mirror. Honor is important. Lead by example. The truth matters.

Response by PO1 Michael Bruner made Jul 17 at 2020 1:10 PM

PO1 Michael Bruner — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:10:50 -0400

Let's not blur the distinction between Vietnam Vets & Vietnam-Era Vets.

Response by SFC Charles Woods made Jul 19 at 2020 5:11 PM

SFC Charles Woods — Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:11:57 -0400

Anyone who calls me a Vietnam Era Vet will be quickly corrected.I am a Vietnam Vet.I was a REMF. I served both my tours at Long Bihn Post.But I earned the right to call myself a Viet Vet.Just remember the signs all over then that it took 9 REMF soldiers to keep One 11B supplied in the bush.

Response by Paula Minger made Jul 19 at 2020 10:34 PM

Paula Minger — Sun, 19 Jul 2020 22:34:58 -0400

Yes!

Response by PO1 Richard Mecom made Jul 20 at 2020 8:25 AM

PO1 Richard Mecom — Mon, 20 Jul 2020 08:25:09 -0400

Yes, when in the military you go where you are told to go you do not have a choice. We do not deserve the medals but the reconization

Response by Sgt Lee Riggs made Jul 20 at 2020 8:57 AM

Sgt Lee Riggs — Mon, 20 Jul 2020 08:57:05 -0400

yes we should at any time we could have gone I worked in af hospital in England and Duluth min

Response by MSgt David Roberson made Jul 22 at 2020 12:50 PM

MSgt David Roberson — Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:50:49 -0400

I hope I can answer this question by saying this.
I was in England for the first Gulf war, but the way my DD214 is worded I could get a Desert Storm license plate. However since I wasn't in county I wouldn't feel right getting one.

Response by SPC Mary Vuillaume made Jul 23 at 2020 12:42 PM

SPC Mary Vuillaume — Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:42:23 -0400

Those who served in country should be recognized apart from those who did not; they were exposed to elements that Vietnam Era vets never experienced.

Response by PO3 Ron Jackson made Jul 30 at 2020 10:07 AM

PO3 Ron Jackson — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:07:07 -0400

I spent a year and a half in Nam, attached to Seabee units. I have no problem with the "classification", of Veterans as VietNam era Vets. Anyone in the military during those times, were subject to orders to 'Nam. Luck-of-the-draw, determined who can claim the distinction, of VietNam Veteran. Be proud of your service, what ever or where ever it occured. Don't try to inflate it. IMHO.

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Aug 9 at 2020 12:09 AM

MAJ Steve Daugherty — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 00:09:50 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era veteran. I was called a baby killer and spat on. When I enlisted I fully expected to be sent there after being trained as a combat Engineer. I had good friends who were there, but when the Army finished my training I was sent to Germany where the closest thing to a firefight I experienced was guarding the ammo dump against the Meinhoff gang, a terrorist group in Europe at the time. I can never consider myself a Vietnam vet though I have a lot of empathy for my comrades who did go in country. But I was a soldier and still am in many ways. I was willing to go and do what I was ordered to do for my country. I still honor the guys who were there as being special people deserving more honor than they received. I eventually became an officer in the Medical Corp and continued to serve. And now I take care of my comrades in the VA and try to give them the care they deserved from those days in hell

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Aug 16 at 2020 10:12 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:12:46 -0400

Why, I am a VET. That is what counts. Vietnam 69-71. That fact that I am 1 of 4% who serve is all that count. Veterans Day thank you for OUR service!

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Aug 16 at 2020 10:32 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:32:06 -0400

Follow up I have RAxxxxxxxx serial # my brother was to young for Nam, he is an RAxxxxxxxx. He served in Germany guarding nucular weapons. He is a Vet. Our Father enlisted in 1940. WWII, Vietnam, 10 SF Germany, he was a Vet. Our family goes back to WWI we are all Vet Anyone of the 4% are Vets.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Aug 16 at 2020 11:27 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:27:58 -0400

Well here we go, why are there dates for Vietnam Vet? My father LtC Herres was one of the first 100 advisors sent to Nam in 1955. He was there over a year yet he was not allowed to wear the Vietnam service ribbon.why? He was there before I got the 13 years later. Vietnam vet are VETs those who never got there are vets. You served you are a VET. Only 4% give a grap, why disrespect their service. Combat vet yes, vet yes. God I hate labels!

Response by SPC Matt Ovaska made Aug 17 at 2020 8:16 AM

SPC Matt Ovaska — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:16:05 -0400

Vietnam was Not a war but a conflict. If we had lost a war, our stripes would be displayed upside down because the comissioned officers and Washington definatly LOST this one. We could have won in 2 weeks if we were allowed to fight. The bushes next to the fence were moving. The guard shot and killed a rabbit. He got an article 15. I should write a book!

Response by SP5 David Daugherty made Aug 17 at 2020 11:17 AM

SP5 David Daugherty — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:17:57 -0400

The American Legion treats me as a Granada War vet even though I was not IN the war there. Not that those vets faced the same treatment but it should be used as a comparison in this question

Response by SP5 Brent Weitman made Aug 17 at 2020 12:07 PM

SP5 Brent Weitman — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 12:07:24 -0400

no I don't think it is right unless you served in country

Response by SPC Brent Melton made Aug 17 at 2020 12:19 PM

SPC Brent Melton — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 12:19:47 -0400

Absolutely not.

Response by CMSgt Jim Veitz made Aug 17 at 2020 2:12 PM

CMSgt Jim Veitz — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:12:32 -0400

I was a Flight Engineer on Weather Recon W-135B Aircraft. We flew from Guam to Thailand via Vietnam Airspace and return to Guam straddling the borders of Cambodia and Laos.
Executive Order 11213, Dated July 28, 1965 stated: Between the dates July 4, 1965 and March 28, 1973, served in the following areas in South east Asia: Vietnam and the contiguous waters and airspace; Thailand, Laos or Cambodia; or the airspace thereof and in direct support of military operations in Vietnam.

So, why am I considered a Vietnam Era Vet? I have requested a correction to my DD Form 214. It would be a DD Form 215.214

Response by SP5 Mike Harnett made Aug 17 at 2020 4:04 PM

SP5 Mike Harnett — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 16:04:03 -0400

My grandfather, a career Army/Air Force veteran served during World War I, World War II and the Korean War. He never left the USA during all three wars. No one ever referred to him as a World War I era, World War II era and Korean War era veteran. So I have no problem referring to anyone who served during the Vietnam war as a Vietnam vet.

Response by SCPO Scott Welch made Aug 17 at 2020 6:53 PM

SCPO Scott Welch — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:53:13 -0400

Oh hell no. If you don't rate the VSM or AFEM for theater service during the period of conflict, then you aren't a Vietnam veteran.

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Aug 17 at 2020 7:28 PM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 19:28:27 -0400

A Vietnam Era veteran should have the balls to say he was in during such and such year but did not serve in country. I don’t believe I would appreciate stolen valor especially for that time or anytime

Response by LCpl Steven Diaz made Aug 17 at 2020 7:58 PM

LCpl Steven Diaz — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 19:58:36 -0400

I'm a marine, enlisted in sept.1972. 3 mos of training, or should I say brainwashing, torture, humiliation, physical, emotional, psychological, assaults and a sexual attach from one of the d.i.s. forced to sell drugs to the whole platoon. And then manipulated to pay out of our pocket a token of our appreciation for his grace up on us. Humiliation, betrayal, guilt, fear and an experience unlike any I expected when raising my right hand in Portland, or. And swore to uphold the Constitution. At the age of 19 I was ready and willing to go to war and die, if need be. To become the mean green killing machine. I went to Norfolk VA instead.detached to the Navy.
Where I was spit on and called a baby killer.
I saw battle in San Diego CA. 1972-73.
Combat vet? I am a marine as courageous as the next. I don't need a badge or a title to feed my ego I just want what's mine. Honor, integrity, and a check.
Semper Fi.

Response by Sgt Kenneth Morrow made Aug 17 at 2020 8:07 PM

Sgt Kenneth Morrow — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 20:07:04 -0400

I served from 1970 to 1974 and the only way I identify myself is as a Viet Nam era veteran. I would not want any confusion with the troops that were there and put their butts on the line.

Response by Sgt James Gross made Aug 17 at 2020 8:12 PM

Sgt James Gross — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 20:12:03 -0400

I served during the Vietnam Era and call myself a Vietnam Era vet as I didn’t serve in country. That is how I distinguish myself, from those that served in country.

Response by LT Robert Chrisman made Aug 17 at 2020 8:28 PM

LT Robert Chrisman — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 20:28:01 -0400

I was withe the coastal patrol forces in Nam, did not endure jungle warfare as did my marine and army brothers. I am proud to be called just a Navy veteran.

Response by SFC Bill Meeler made Aug 17 at 2020 9:46 PM

SFC Bill Meeler — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:46:39 -0400

I served from 70 to 91, was never in country and to be call a Vietnam vet is a privilege, just like being called a combat vet. I have earned the privilege of wearing a WWII Army Occupation Medal for serving in Berlin. I don’t think it would be right for anyone serving in West Germany be allowed to wear that ribbon. Final take if you weren’t in country, NO! I am a Vietnam Era Veteran.

Response by CPT Murray Sallenbach made Aug 17 at 2020 11:30 PM

CPT Murray Sallenbach — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 23:30:35 -0400

Unless a veteran served in Vietnam, I do not believe a veteran of that era who did not serve in Vietnam should not be referred to in that manner.

Response by SPC Mark Beard made Aug 18 at 2020 10:41 AM

SPC Mark Beard — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 10:41:31 -0400

Your a veit nam era vet you served your country be proud

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Aug 18 at 2020 11:17 AM

PO2 Paul Dempsey — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 11:17:47 -0400

Simply yes. WWI, WWII, Korean and Gulf War are spoken of as such from the conflict they served regardless of where they served during the conflict. Anyone who served is a veteran regardless of where or when or what service. That said nothing is wrong with recognizing their service as special if it was in time of war by addressing them as a veteran of the Vietnam war

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Aug 18 at 2020 12:45 PM

SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 12:45:46 -0400

Why not, I called anyone served during those 10 years period a "Vietnam Vet". Let me know who doesn't, I'll explain the reason to him/her-- politely with her.

Response by PO2 Steve Wikert made Aug 18 at 2020 1:37 PM

PO2 Steve Wikert — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:37:01 -0400

I was stationed in Danang, Vietnam with boots on the ground for almost 12 months. I was a military policeman in jeep patrols. Being in the Navy there was a huge distinction even between Navy Vietnam vets who were off shore and us with boots on the ground. And a huge distinction of those in the Navy who never ever got close to Vietnam. Unlike more contemporary wars where many veterans who were in behind the lines support roles, lets say drove trucks in Desert Storm/Iraq/Afganistan or supervised those who did are calling themselves "combat vets".. This became a huge argument when US Senator (who was a Lt. Col. in the National Guard) Joni Ernst from Iowa was calling herself a "combat vet" during her campaign and sat in an office which dealt with transportation of supplies. The final verdict was that she could do it because she was in a war zone. In Vietnam it was a very sensitive unwritten hierarchy of who could call themselves "combat vets." Even though I was shot at numerous times while oi patrol, I reserve the title of a "combat vet" for grunts out there in the bush seeing action on a daily basis. SO, I think you can guess what I think. Only Vietnam vets should be called that. If they want to call everybody else Vietnam-era vets that's fine. But being spat a couple of times or feeling some public abuse when coming home does not qualify them to be in the same category as people who can wear the Vietnam Medals or ribbons that were awarded to them.

Response by SGT John Lawrence made Aug 18 at 2020 1:49 PM

SGT John Lawrence — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:49:42 -0400

Now here is something to think about is the War on Terror 9/11 to present. Last year I believe it was the American Legion went to Congress and Congress changed the date on the War on Terror from 9/11-2001 to 12/07/1942 to present, so does that make all of us War on Terror veterans, I would say yes but I don't know the answer.

Response by PO2 Randall Gould made Aug 18 at 2020 5:24 PM

PO2 Randall Gould — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:24:34 -0400

No. I served in the Navy from 1973 - 1977 and never went to Vietnam. I do like being recognized as a Vietnam era veteran but I am not a Vietnam veteran.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2020 6:58 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 18:58:47 -0400

NO!!
Unless you went to Nam
you are NOT a 'Viet Nam Vet'!

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Aug 19 at 2020 2:39 AM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 02:39:49 -0400

I am a Vietnam Vet. I served in Thailand from 1972 to 1973. My unit trained Laotian pilots and maintenence crews to fly and fight in their own country. They also flew missions in support of MACSOV teams in Laos. We weren't allowed to say what we did, where we served or anything that jeperdised our mission in anyway. I was awarded the Vietnam Service ribbon and medal, the Vietnam Campaign ribbon and the Republic of Vietnam Cross of Gallantry. I lost a couple of friends there in Vietnam while I was in Southeast Asia. But I have a small problem with everyone who served during the Vietnam War being called Vietnam War era veterans. Those others outaside SEA are Cold War era veterans. Germany, Italy, Guam, Korea and the Phillippines and all other places outside of SEA are just that, Cold War era vets.

Response by Sgt Steve Friedlander made Aug 19 at 2020 10:32 AM

Sgt Steve Friedlander — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 10:32:34 -0400

I served in the Air Force from 1966-1970. I was spit on and called "baby Killer", BUT I did NOT serve in Combat or in country. I DO NOT deserved to be called a Vietnam Veteran. I am a Vietnam Era Veteran.

Response by SGT David Bollinger made Aug 19 at 2020 12:38 PM

SGT David Bollinger — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:38:52 -0400

During WW2, many soldiers and sailors were stationed here in the states. They never saw combat in the Pacific or European theaters. I don't recall hearing the "WW2 era veteran".

Response by COL Anthony Formica made Aug 19 at 2020 12:55 PM

COL Anthony Formica — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:55:00 -0400

As a Vietnam era vet, I think of you weren’t there, don’t call yourself a Vietnam vet. Simple.

Response by COL Konrad Langlie made Aug 19 at 2020 3:19 PM

COL Konrad Langlie — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:19:51 -0400

They could have volunteered like I did

Response by PO2 Jon Coulter made Aug 19 at 2020 5:22 PM

PO2 Jon Coulter — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:22:21 -0400

I was in the USCG for the tail end of festivitiies, never further than the date line. Only those who served in Vietnam deserve the honor of being part of Vietnam vets. Been through Manhattan in dress whites, worst was being mistaken for a Good Humor man.

Response by SPC Marietta Denniston made Aug 19 at 2020 5:42 PM

SPC Marietta Denniston — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:42:27 -0400

I was a WAC between 1965 and 1968 and although I never went over, I did volunteer to go. However, I do not refer to myself as a Vietnam vet, but a Vietnam era vet. I think if you didn’t go in-country, then you weren’t a Vietnam vet.

Response by SFC Rick Garrick made Aug 19 at 2020 6:48 PM

SFC Rick Garrick — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:48:01 -0400

No ! I am not a Vietnam Vet ! I spent zero days in country, I served from Jul.71 through Jul 91 so I am a Vietnam Era vet. Again Zero days in country.

Response by FN Robert Bone made Aug 19 at 2020 11:42 PM

FN Robert Bone — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:42:34 -0400

If you weren't there you are a Vietnam Era Vet

Response by SFC John Renkiewicz made Aug 20 at 2020 8:19 AM

SFC John Renkiewicz — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:19:05 -0400

Absolutely not! That term should be reserved for those that served in country. I was a late comer as a Viet Nam era Marine; I spent my time in Hawaii - it would be an embarrassment to me and a disservice to those who physically were in Viet Nam if someone called me a Viet Nam vet.

Response by SFC Lorence Parker made Aug 20 at 2020 9:24 AM

SFC Lorence Parker — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:24:24 -0400

Hell No. I remember The "Blue Water Navy" guys calling us Stupid for having gone in the Army and having to serve in Vietnam. They had chosen the Navy to make sure They didn't have to set foot in "That God Forsaken Land".Now they want Money for Old Man diseases and they say it was from Agent Orange. I see these Frauds at the VA wearing Vietnam Veterans Hats. They are No more a Vietnam Veteran than Zippy the Chimp..

Response by PO2 Steve Jean made Aug 20 at 2020 11:25 AM

PO2 Steve Jean — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:25:49 -0400

As a veteran who served in country I’m not i favor of Vietnam era veterans being called Vietnam vets. They didn’t receive the medals we did nor endure the hardships. It’s not like T-ball where everyone gets a participation trophy.

Response by CPL Kenneth Kahn made Aug 20 at 2020 2:47 PM

CPL Kenneth Kahn — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:47:35 -0400

Absolutely not. I served and volunteered to go near the end of the conflict but was never sent, so I served in CONUS and the FRG. I most certainly do NOT consider myself a "Vietnam Vet" but rather a Vietnam-Era Vet. Should anyone mistakenly call me the former, I correct them. It's a disservice to those that were in harm's way (or, certainly, a war zone) to put myself in that category and is akin to Stolen Valor in my opinion to do so. If you don't have the medal (Vietnam Service, Not Vietnam Era), you are NOT a Vietnam Vet.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2020 5:54 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:54:15 -0400

I served during the Vietnam War but not in country. I've had members of the Vietnam Veterans of America say I am. We're all Vietnam-era veterans.

Response by Capt Bill Straw made Aug 20 at 2020 7:38 PM

Capt Bill Straw — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:38:38 -0400

Unless you’re a weasley US senator trying to imply that you actually went to war in order to get elected.

Response by Sgt Ernest Mawyer made Aug 20 at 2020 7:41 PM

Sgt Ernest Mawyer — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:41:39 -0400

Yes, was not treated like I did anything in the service during Vietnam and the VA treated us like for doing out duty. I wasn't in the Country but served my country during the war just like the WW2 veterans did. I think we should have to not pay for VA services. I have tried VA several times from 74 to 2029, stopped going many times for reasons that I won't discuss here. People need to treat us like we did something.

Response by Maj Pat Dominic made Aug 20 at 2020 8:38 PM

Maj Pat Dominic — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:38:31 -0400

Joined the Army in 1974. Infantry soldier. War still going but no new troops being sent. Never would I expect to be referred to as a Viet-Vet - but never expect to be called a Vet either. I could care less about titles - they do not define who I am. Those Viet-Nam era Vet benefits really helped out though! Jus sayin.

Response by SPC Ralph Ware made Aug 20 at 2020 9:23 PM

SPC Ralph Ware — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 21:23:01 -0400

NO......glad they served, either US or RA....you served in the 'Nam..your a NAM VET. If you served during the 'Nam years. you served in Germany, Korea or where ever you were assigned. I have run into the same problem when I joined a Combat Veterans group. I interpret the word "Combat" as heard, saw, participated, wounded, humped and a dozen other descriptions. And, again nothing said about denigrating anyone's service, it was decided that if you served within the umbrella of say Navy off shore, air support in say Thailand, you could join. Don't really agree, but. Just my feelings, 2 Hearts and Bronze with "V" I feel more than qualified to say "Yes, I am a 'Nam' VET".

Response by SGT(P) Le'a K Billingsley made Aug 21 at 2020 12:03 AM

SGT(P) Le'a K Billingsley — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 00:03:24 -0400

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2020 1:35 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 01:35:31 -0400

RATBASTARD!!

Response by SPC Thomas Kosakowski made Aug 21 at 2020 7:08 AM

SPC Thomas Kosakowski — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:08:16 -0400

I am considered a Vietnam Era Vet and I feel that is the proper name. I was not a Vietnam Combat Vet. I would never take that away from the Men and Women who served in country.

Response by SP5 Roy Sonye made Aug 21 at 2020 7:40 AM

SP5 Roy Sonye — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:40:44 -0400

There are 3 classes of veterans during that time 1.Vietnam vets 2.Vietnam Era vets and Cold war vets during that time. keep in mind that nobody was shooting at you state side.
Cold war vets were sent to Europe to defend it for 2 or 3 years at a time and yes there were people with guns on there side of the 5k zone

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Aug 21 at 2020 9:16 AM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:16:08 -0400

It common sense & we sometimes we don’t used it.
Vietnam era can’t ever be compared to Vietnam Vet who sacrificed his life, childhood too be in a war serving his country.

The ppl who turn around & call them “Baby’s Killer” treating them like shit when they were just simply doing a job, so no you cannot compare that to Vietnam era.

Response by Sgt William Collins made Aug 21 at 2020 1:19 PM

Sgt William Collins — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:19:29 -0400

I don't much care what I'm called. I arrived in Danang January 24, 1968. I went to 9th Engineer Bn at Chu Lai, then up to Phu Bai to help 2/5 take back Hue. I was there until about December and went back down to Chu Lai. During that period, I understand some 50,000 tons of Agent Orange were dumped on the Hue-Phu Bai area. I probably had it sprinkled in my rubber eggs every morning. Every Vietnam Veteran I've ever met has diabetes and all the shit that accompanies it. You didn't get that sitting in Camp Pendleton. I flew back to MCAS El Toro near the end of March 1969 and got out 7 days later. At 74 I think going to war is part of your education as a human being. But I really think you gotta be there. Sitting on the bench don't count.

Response by SGT Frank Fulcher made Aug 21 at 2020 3:31 PM

SGT Frank Fulcher — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:31:11 -0400

No... it is in no way the same thing. There should be a distinction between the two.

Response by SGT Richard L. Stone made Aug 21 at 2020 3:54 PM

SGT Richard L. Stone — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:54:22 -0400

Only those who received the Vietnam Service Medal are Vietnam Vet !

Response by SSG Jimmy Moison made Aug 21 at 2020 8:22 PM

SSG Jimmy Moison — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:21 -0400

Why don’t you ask them? The ones I know are proud AF for being a Vietnam veteran. My dad did three tours over there and he’s proud to be a “ Vietnam veteran“. Those guys aren’t snowflakes...

Response by Sgt Erle Mutz made Aug 22 at 2020 1:07 AM

Sgt Erle Mutz — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 01:07:02 -0400

My opinion is that there is way too much confusion about the terms.
If you were "in Vietnam" (or off the coast in the Navy) - no matter what MOS or job you were assigned to do - you ARE a "VIETNAM VETERAN".
If you served in the Military during the years that the Vietnam War took place but nowhere near the country and did not participate in the war (in any way) then the government gave those service personnel a title of "Vietnam ERA Veteran", no matter what job you had or what military location you were assigned to.

Response by SGT Red Stephens made Aug 22 at 2020 3:04 AM

SGT Red Stephens — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:04:24 -0400

Absolutely not! I served with the 82nd ABN and the VA categorizes me as a "Vietnam Era" veteran. I don't like even being called that. I did not serve in Vietnam and it would be wrong to imply that I did. I had three brothers that served in-country, but I did not. They are Viet Nam vets, I am not.

Response by MSgt Joseph Haynes made Aug 22 at 2020 12:10 PM

MSgt Joseph Haynes — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:10:11 -0400

I respect what your saying and the sentiment expressed; however, "era" vets did not go over. Afghanistan and Iraq were during my career but I did not deploy for OEF/OIF so I have the GWOT-S. Sure. I did what the AF asked of me and then some but I would neither ask for, nor expect the same consideration as those who deployed to those theaters. I was in theater for OPC and Northern Watch, I claim those operations.

Response by SSgt William Steinkamp made Aug 22 at 2020 8:52 PM

SSgt William Steinkamp — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:52:19 -0400

Just like a WWII veteran is considered just that...even if he never left the United States. My father was a military guard that oversaw German POW's at Tooele Utah army depot and was considered a WWII veteran then why can't I be considered a Vietnam Vet though I never had boots on the ground there?

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Aug 23 at 2020 5:28 AM

SSG Richard Brue — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 05:28:02 -0400

My opinion is no. They didn't go to the war, so they are NOT Vietnam Vets. But what they are is Cold War Vets. I, myself, am a Cold War Vet. I did not go to Shield or Storm as I was in West Germany and my unit did not get orders. But since I did not go, should I be called a Shield or Storm Vet? No, because I did not serve in that conflict. As I can not say I am a Panama Vet, did not go there either. But what I can say is I am also an Iraqi War Vet because I did go to that war. I also served in Korea, But that does not make me a Korean War Vet. I hope you see what I am getting at. Just because someone served at the time, does not make it so.

Response by SSG Greg Dodson made Aug 23 at 2020 1:01 PM

SSG Greg Dodson — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 13:01:25 -0400

I was one of those who had blood thrown on them and called a baby killer "in the Atlanta Airport" who was not
In Vietnam. That being said, I don't think that anyone who wasn't in country should be considered a Vietnam veteran, no more than a service member on active duty today who has not been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan should be considered a Veteran of those areas.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Aug 24 at 2020 12:03 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 00:03:41 -0400

No just like if you were in Hackensack during Korea you are not a Korean War vet, or if you were at Fort Bragg in 91 you were not a Gulf War Vet. Adding the word ERA is OK I guess, I would prefer the use of the term Cold War Soldier....But then I call it like I see it and that can get you into trouble these days

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Aug 24 at 2020 8:30 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 08:30:30 -0400

They should be just Vets. If some one Needs the distinction then more to Era or Combat Vet. Lets not forget there were a lot of Garra Troopers as well doesn't take a long conversation if you need the distinction to find out if they had boots on the ground or not.

Response by SGT Michael Hearn made Aug 24 at 2020 8:42 PM

SGT Michael Hearn — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 20:42:53 -0400

Hello, soldier, there were in-country Vietnam veterans AND SUPPORT TROOPS They all served

Response by SP5 Donald Johnson made Aug 24 at 2020 8:59 PM

SP5 Donald Johnson — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 20:59:47 -0400

No!! My husband wasn’t given a choice he was loaded on a plane and only when they were on their way to Veitnam were told that’s where they were going!! Furthermore, my husband was a combat medic and lost his right leg working on “ his men” . Now he is dying due to agent orange and the VA won’t acknowledge it!! He can prove he was in the heaviest concentration of it!! But still they don’t care!! He is a Vietnam Veteran!! Only those who had the most to lose during that time should only be called Vietnam Veterans!!!

Response by SGT Michael McMahon made Aug 24 at 2020 9:21 PM

SGT Michael McMahon — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:21:55 -0400

First off Comrade, THANK YOU for your service !
The proper term to address another veteran, regardless of what Branch, where or when they served is "Comrade", as we are all a part of a special segment of American society and have earned the right to be called a "Comrade", as a Comrade is someone, who you would treat and respect like a sibling. When first introduced to a Vietnam Comrade, it is customary to say "Welcome Home Comrade", as they were treated worse than the Police are today.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Aug 25 at 2020 12:57 AM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 00:57:19 -0400

Stop all the BS. A Vet is a Vet is a Vet. You and many others worry to much about LABELS. The US is becoming a LABEL society. Which _______-American are you? Fill-in the blank. I work with all kinds of people---red, yellow, black and white, gay and straight, etc and I call them by their given name. Veterans Day rolls around, some take it off, others work, and still others recognize the Vet for their service. I could care less if someone "thanks" me or not. If asked if I'm a Vet, my standard answer is "I was drafted." What is none of their business is I stayed for 26 years.

Response by CPO Dale Dietzman made Aug 25 at 2020 5:38 PM

CPO Dale Dietzman — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 17:38:14 -0400

As a "boots on the ground" Vietnam Veteran (71-72) I consider the term "Vietnam Vet" to indicate someone who served either "in country", in the adjacent waters in support of military operations (blue water Navy), or in support at a location where combat missions originated, such a U-Tapao, Thailand. I consider "expanding" the title to cover all "Era Veterans" an insult to those of us, especially who served as volunteers in the war zone, got our friendly Agent Orange exposure, and risked coming home in a body bag. It's another 'everybody gets a trophy' or 'all students get an A' mentality, because bless their little hearts, they might be offended otherwise. I respect ALL Veterans or ALL Eras, and even more Vietnam Era Veterans; but dropping the "Era", BY ANYBODY, disrespects every one of the 58000+ names on the Black Wall, and every one who has joined them later from medical issues that stem from Vietnam Service. They were not "Era Veterans" ... they were/are Vietnam Veterans.

Response by CPL Aaron McCollum made Aug 26 at 2020 2:45 AM

CPL Aaron McCollum — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:45:46 -0400

They should be addressed as Vietnam era vets

Response by Sgt Gary Simpson made Aug 26 at 2020 8:09 PM

Sgt Gary Simpson — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:09:54 -0400

Yes. I was on the flight line getting cargo going to and from Nam.

Response by SGM Darrel Shanks made Aug 30 at 2020 10:59 PM

SGM Darrel Shanks — Sun, 30 Aug 2020 22:59:34 -0400

Absolutely not. I served during this time, didn’t deploy to Vietnam and am in no way a Vietnam veteran.
I personally believe by assigning combat veteran status to non-combatant service members you cheapen the combat service and give credence to posers like Senator Bloomethal. He said he was a Vietnam Veteran when in fact he’s a total fraud and liar. The closest to being a combat veteran he is, is standing next to someone who is.
Be proud of your service without having to add to or pad the story.
Again just my opinion.
DOL

Response by SPC Benjamin Alexander made Sep 3 at 2020 10:51 AM

SPC Benjamin Alexander — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 10:51:03 -0400

Being a black Vietnam veterans living in the south the year 1967/1968 coming home was hell being called a baby killer,sellout the N word and many more,no one would hire me and it’s was very hard to get back to a normal life.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2020 1:16 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 01:16:23 -0400

I had 28 years (total) in the Active and Reserve. About 10 1/2 Active and the rest Reserves. I enlisted in Oct 75 and received the Vietnam GI Bill which had Dec 75 as the cut-off but went straight to Germany for three years after Basic/AIT. I do not consider myself a "Vietnam Vet", however, the VA does list me as "Vietnam Era". That's them. Not me.

Response by AA Loreen Silvarahawk made Sep 5 at 2020 4:15 PM

AA Loreen Silvarahawk — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 16:15:33 -0400

I am a Nam Vet and due to harassment during and after my enlistment, I prefer just plain Veteran.

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Sep 6 at 2020 9:05 AM

SGT Frank Pritchett — Sun, 06 Sep 2020 09:05:30 -0400

I enlisted in 1974 and while at AIT in 1975; I sat in the day room with my friend who was a Sargent Major in the Cambodian and watched the fall of Vietnam and then the blood bath that ensued shortly afterwards. Son Kim Lang was not aloud to return to Vietnam because of his training and he cried for his wife and daughter who sere still in Saigon. A lot of my friends call me a "Vietnam Veteran" and I politely tell them Im not because that I never went to Vietnam. I was trained by Vietnam Veterans and I saw what they went through. Who is going to tell their story because they wont, some can't. Vietnam Era Soldiers are just that, we enlisted when it wasn't popular and we were trained by NCO's and Officers with PTSD, we were their outlet for pain. To me there is a difference from a Vietnam Veteran and a Cold War Veteran there is a difference.

Response by Sgt Douglas Berger made Sep 7 at 2020 12:18 AM

Sgt Douglas Berger — Mon, 07 Sep 2020 00:18:19 -0400

It appears there are more than a few who like the appreciation from people who thank them for their service, in Vietnam. It is evident when considering 2.7 mill were sent to Vietnam. By 2000 less than 1 million who served in Vietnam were still alive, but the census report show between 12 & 13 million claimed they served in Vietnam.

As of this date, 2 The American War Library estimates that approximately 610,000 Americans who served on land in Vietnam or in the air over Vietnam between 1954 and 1975 are alive today. And approximately 164,000 Americans who served at sea in Vietnam waters are alive today.

It did not go un-noticed the dates were all the way to 1954. ..?

People who hear from the "Senate Committee on Veteran" Affairs" that--> The Navy Historical and Heritage Command and the Congressional Research Service estimated that the number of sea service veterans serving inside the territorial seas was 174,000. Interesting. They are talking about with the 12 nautical miles seaward from the demarcation line of the waters of Vietnam and Cambodia.

I am so far off track_ what was the question. ???

OH yes, about the Vietnam Era Veteran wearing a hat that says Vietnam Veteran,, That doesn't bother me as much as the same hat probably has decorations that indicate service "in" Vietnam. The Vietnam Era is not and should not display medals they did not earn.

Response by SGT Frank Fulcher made Sep 10 at 2020 1:27 PM

SGT Frank Fulcher — Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:27:56 -0400

Would you call someone that is airborne qualified a Ranger just because they both jump out of planes?

Response by SPC Marvin Roach made Sep 14 at 2020 5:41 AM

SPC Marvin Roach — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 05:41:32 -0400

There are a lot of people on here that now want to be Vietnam vets. Dammit I was there and know what we went through. Today I am dying of cancer from agent orange. when there we were exposed to mines, booby traps, mortar, rocket , and rifle fire almost every day. and we were given 2 canteens of water and cold greasy C rations a day and survived on 4 or less hours of sleep a day. This is the reality of it. Death was always with your next step. Call yourself whatever you want but you will always know the truth.

Response by Sgt Gary Sturm made Sep 15 at 2020 11:00 AM

Sgt Gary Sturm — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 11:00:07 -0400

No, As a Vietnam ERA vet I am often correcting people on the difference. In country folks are in a league of there own.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Sep 18 at 2020 9:29 AM

1SG James Kelly — Fri, 18 Sep 2020 09:29:55 -0400

Next you'll want to join the VFW.
I can't.

Response by SP5 Stephen Sossaman made Sep 21 at 2020 5:57 PM

SP5 Stephen Sossaman — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 17:57:15 -0400

I think that Vietnam Era vets should *not* be called "Vietnam Veterans." During the draft, one of the services' recruiters' pitches was that an enlistee could be guaranteed a different station (Germany or Korea, for the army), thus avoiding Viet Nam. Since the war, I have met more than a few veterans who were quite open about enlisting in the USAF or USN to avoid being drafted into the army and sent to Viet Nam. Some of them actually enlisted after getting their draft notice, hurrying to sign up in a different service before their army reporting date. When my army basic training class ended in 1966, we were pressured to extend our enlistment with the promise of our being sent to Germany instead of Viet Nam. While I have nothing bad to say about any veteran for all that, really, I do think that "Vietnam veterans" should apply only to personnel who directly served in the war (ground, sea, or air).

Response by SGM Gerald Fife made Sep 22 at 2020 2:15 PM

SGM Gerald Fife — Tue, 22 Sep 2020 14:15:58 -0400

I entered the Army on 2Dec54. After I was in I heard the end of the Korean era was 31 Jan55. That made me a Korean War Era Veteran. I have no problem with that. When my 4 years were up I joined the Army Reserve, serving there until I could retire at age 60. The point I want to make is that I know I am an era of whatever war was between 1954-1995. Where people ask if I am a veteran VN war or Korea or I always correct them with era. I spent 19 months in Germany in the 50'S. I spent 9 months on AD in support of Desert Storm.

Response by CPT James Mills made Sep 24 at 2020 11:24 AM

CPT James Mills — Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:24:12 -0400

Simply, if you served in country you are a Vietnam Vet. If you served but didn't go to Vietnam I don't associate you with the moniker Vietnam Vet. You just served and lucked out. Don't ever mistake that "Vietnam era" qualifies for recognition. Don't ever, ever lower the bush Vietnam soldier by allowing other soldiers to attach the term Vietnam to their time in the service. So few of us served in the bush compared to the total number of soldiers who went to Vietnam or just plain served stateside. There were two Vietnams--those who went and served and those who saw the worst of the war serving in the bush. I will never recognize any soldier or marine who served without going. They just served. For me personally those in armor, artillery, transportation, helicopter pilots, FACS and those serving support in forward bases are Vietnam Vets in a special level of service. I will also include the Navy personnel especially the riverines and the Navy and Air Force pilots who provided the much needed air support as Vietnam Vets. It was tough enough to be personnel in the bowls of the beast. We should not be belittled.

Response by SPC Kurt Downs made Sep 24 at 2020 11:27 AM

SPC Kurt Downs — Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:27:14 -0400

The Vietnam Veterans of America define a Vietnam vet for membership purposes as anyone who served anywhere during a certain time span. The issue has been debated for years within the organization. I served in the Army from 69-73 and was never in country, although I certainly worked with way too many wounded soldiers as a physical therapy tech at Letterman General hospital. I always refer to myself as a Vietnam Era vet when talking about my service because I don't want anyone to assume i had actually did a tour in'Nam.

Response by CSM Robert Mcnamara made Sep 24 at 2020 1:39 PM

CSM Robert Mcnamara — Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:39:17 -0400

As an 18 YO I volunteered for the draft in '70 to kill communists. So... I was sent to Germany. Volunteered to go to VN (I still have a copy of my DA 1049 requesting VN.), but told I needed one year in GE before PCSing. Nixon had his early out so I got out (the first time) in '72. I am not a Viet Nam Vet. I ended up doing twenty years. I will consider myself a VN era Vet and a Cold War era Vet. NOT a VN Vet. No way. You were there or you weren't there.

Response by PFC Joshua Hagen made Sep 24 at 2020 6:30 PM

PFC Joshua Hagen — Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:30:14 -0400

I've met guys that were in during Vietnam, and guys that were IN Vietnam. There's a world of difference between the two. It's like the difference between OIF/OEF vets and "era" vets....they are not the same.

Response by Col Tom Waugh made Sep 25 at 2020 7:58 AM

Col Tom Waugh — Fri, 25 Sep 2020 07:58:46 -0400

I agree. When my assignment came up the I was given the option and said I would go. I was sent to Japan instead. I don't consider myself a Vietnam vet other than having served during that era.

Response by Sgt Johnny Shotwell made Sep 25 at 2020 8:53 AM

Sgt Johnny Shotwell — Fri, 25 Sep 2020 08:53:03 -0400

NO a Vietnam Vet was actually in country!! A Vietnam Era vet (I am one) served during the Vietnam war!! I spent 2 yrs on Okinawa drinking beer and razing cane with many Vietnam Vets!! I often think about how many of those did not make it home!

Response by CPO Greg Smith made Sep 25 at 2020 10:05 AM

CPO Greg Smith — Fri, 25 Sep 2020 10:05:24 -0400

If you don't have the campaign or expeditionary medal, but you served during the conflict, you are an "era" vet. I salute you and your service to our country. Exit question: Was it difficult to request and receive orders for Vietnam?

Response by Sgt Guy Chaney made Sep 25 at 2020 11:05 PM

Sgt Guy Chaney — Fri, 25 Sep 2020 23:05:42 -0400

If you were active duty in a USA Military unit during the period of the Vietnam war you are a veteran
of that war regardless of where you were stationed.

Response by LTC David Howard made Sep 26 at 2020 8:44 AM

LTC David Howard — Sat, 26 Sep 2020 08:44:25 -0400

Interesting question. My initial reaction is to say NO, only those that served in Vietnam as I did should use that term. On the other hand, I know of individuals that were physically stationed in Thailand, but flew bombing missions over Vietnam and were probably as much at risk as those in country. Or what about Navy vets that served on ships that were right off shore but were firing upon the mainland? And I also think about all of my uncles that were, and were called "World War 2 veterans" yet some never left the USA. One uncle was made a D.I. at Paris Island shortly after completing his own boot camp and who volunteered over and over for overseas assignment but was kept at Paris Island for the entire duration of the war. Would it be fair to not call him a WW2 vet? So after thinking about this for a minute, I am inclined to call anyone that served anywhere during the entire Vietnam War era a "Vietnam Vet". In truth, most that did not serve in country do not use that term to describe themselves, but say that they are a "Vietnam War era vet" or something similar. As long as the vet is honest about the nature of his service it makes no difference to me.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Sep 27 at 2020 5:16 AM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 05:16:49 -0400

Yes and no. There is a difference. People were in Vietnam or they were not. We could get into REMF vs combat troops but no , I think the main distinction resides in whether or not soldier was actually over there or not.

I am both a Gulf War Vet and a WWII vet , becuase I have the medals , do I claim to have seen combat in those wars or "been there" ? No , but I am proud "Era veteran" of both.

I think "Vietnam Era Vets" should be addressed as exactly that, but dudes who were "over there" should be addressed as "Vietnam Vets" , including my father , shot down 5 times as a helo pilot , and my god-father who was KIA flying a Huey from enemy fire. They are "Vietnam vets". Nobody should be labeled in error or to infer to something they don't merit. Call my god-father a mere Vietnam Era Vet would be an insult, Go look at the Wall, Authur Papale

lOn February 16, 1969, a U.S. Army helicopter UH-1D (tail number 66-16091) from the 57th Assault Helicopter Company was attempting to insert a Long-Range Reconnaissance Patrol (LRRP) team in a landing zone one mile northeast of Polei Kleng in Kontum Province, RVN, when the aircraft received an unknown number and type of hits from enemy ground fire. The pilot, WO1 Normand P. Perron, radioed on climb out that the controls were erratic. The aircraft then began a slow spiral descent and crashed, bursting into flames upon impact. All four of the crewmembers were killed as were the four LRRP team members aboard. The lost crewmen included WO1 Perron, aircraft commander WO1 Arthur L. Papale, crew chief SP4 Rick A. Oliver, and gunner SP4 Larry M. Alcos. The four lost Rangers were SGT Ralph G. Dunn, SP4 Gerald Q. Hancock, PFC Hugh R. McKinney, and SP4 Jack L. Rightmyer. Hancock was posthumously promoted to Sergeant and McKinney to Corporal. [Taken from coffeltdatabase.org and vhpa.org]
READ LESSe. https://www.vvmf.org/Wall-of-Faces/39378/ARTHUR-L-PAPALE/

THE WALL OF FACES - Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund

The Vietnam Veterans Memorial stands as a symbol of America's honor and recognition of the men and women who served and sacrificed their lives in the Vietnam War.

Response by SP5 Edwin Overstreet made Sep 27 at 2020 8:06 AM

SP5 Edwin Overstreet — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:06:53 -0400

I doubt if most "era" vets would want to be called Vietnam Vets if they were never in country . I also feel there is a distinct difference between those of us who were never in combat and those who were . Even though we were in country, we didn't share the physical and mental trauma . I usually make it known ,when speaking of my time there ,that I was a POG . I don't feel comfortable with folks getting the mental picture of me charging out of a chopper into enemy fire .

Response by Cpl Bruce Stokes made Sep 27 at 2020 8:56 AM

Cpl Bruce Stokes — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:56:18 -0400

horse shit, viet nam vets served in nam. not in some other jurisdiction . always hated people who claimed to be viet nam vets who didn't serve in country. stokes b.e. usmc ret.

Response by Capt Frederick Holderman made Sep 27 at 2020 4:34 PM

Capt Frederick Holderman — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 16:34:40 -0400

While I never served in-country, my field was equally dangerous, just ask the crew of 61-0331.
And if you include back-talking Colonels Hartmann and Pennyfather, as well as Joe Alari, even more so.
Consider me a Vietnam (Era) Veteran!

Response by CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw made Sep 27 at 2020 8:27 PM

CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:27:35 -0400

Serving during Nam and overseas from 70-72, qualified me for my first National Defense Medal and was actually awarded it after Boot Camp in 1969. Is it call the Gedunk Medal with no other meaning if you didn’t serve in country even though I trained and qualified as a Fleet Marine Force Marine Doc. I served wherever I was ordered to go. Consider WWII, with the many different areas of conflict, were the veterans that only served at bases in America or other non conflict areas on bases or ships in other parts of the world not considered WWII Veterans or otherwise known as The Great Generation? Out of Hospital Corpsmen School at the Balboa Naval Hospital in San Diego in January 1970, I actually volunteered for Nam but was ordered to Naval Hospital Naples Italy from 70-72. I guess the detailers thought I was crazy to volunteer. I’m proud to be a Vietnam Era Veteran, Desert Shield/Storm Era Veteran and other places during 33 years of service. Semper Fi

Response by SGT William Jackson made Sep 28 at 2020 7:13 AM

SGT William Jackson — Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:13:23 -0400

No you are only a Vietnam Vet if you were in country, big difference between serving and serving in combat areas!

Response by SSG Russell Busicchia made Sep 28 at 2020 11:03 AM

SSG Russell Busicchia — Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:03:39 -0400

I served for 20 years. I am Vietnam Era, but not a Vietnam Vet. The title of Vietnam Vet should be reserved for people who served in country. I enlisted after the combat troops I s left Vietnam, but was assigned to Berlin instead. I was in Operation Just Cause (Panama). I refer to myself as just a vet. You have to make the distinction. Anyone who served during the war is Vietnam Era vets. Only those who served in country are Vietnam Vets

Response by LTC Howard Wooster made Sep 28 at 2020 11:53 AM

LTC Howard Wooster — Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:53:24 -0400

My father-in-law spent all of WWII stationed at Fort Campbell and was considered a WWII veteran.

Response by PO2 Louis Fattrusso made Sep 28 at 2020 8:27 PM

PO2 Louis Fattrusso — Mon, 28 Sep 2020 20:27:27 -0400

I show respect to all my fellow veterans regardless of where they served. I don’t think we need to single out a group with a specific title. Some veterans did not serve in Vietnam but had difficult jobs nonetheless. If we single out Vietnam, where does it end. Do we recognize every conflict? We should thank them all for their service regardless of era or station.

Response by SFC Henry Clark made Sep 28 at 2020 8:49 PM

SFC Henry Clark — Mon, 28 Sep 2020 20:49:40 -0400

NO NO NO! until you have ran through the jungles, sprayed with Agent Orange, flipped the bird or spit at and called a baby killer from both sides and to be treated even worst once you got back home, NO WAY my friend. I will always respect what they did for our country because they did serve when asked but under totally DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES. thank you, SFC Henry L Clark U S ARMY RET.

Response by SGT Dale Myres made Oct 1 at 2020 12:56 PM

SGT Dale Myres — Thu, 01 Oct 2020 12:56:31 -0400

I don’t think we should consider it. I was in from 7/74-7/78. I didn’t go because Nam was shutting down. I was at Hood and West Germany. A Tanker and OJT as a recon Scout with 1/9 Cav.

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Oct 3 at 2020 4:22 PM

Sgt Frank Staples — Sat, 03 Oct 2020 16:22:24 -0400

Yes, we had the chance to be sent there...but I wasn't. I spent my year in sunny Sondestromfjiord, Greenland, the Miami of the North...where there was a beautiful woman behind every tree. I consider myself to be a VN era vet...you know, we went to the moon while I was in the service but I don't consider myself an astronaut either!! I also was never subjected to abuse from civilians and as I considered myself to be somewhat of a badass back then it's probably a good thing!

Response by Sgt Chuck Serena made Oct 5 at 2020 4:55 AM

Sgt Chuck Serena — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 04:55:02 -0400

No you are not a Vietnam vet unless you served in county

Response by PO1 John Hudson made Oct 5 at 2020 8:42 AM

PO1 John Hudson — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 08:42:11 -0400

Vietnam vets are those who earned the service ribbon, for being on land, air, or sea. We who served outside the war zone are Vietnam Era vets. We are all vets and we all served, let’s pay respect to those who were in harms way by not calling ourselves something we are not. Respect to all of you, we all suffered just in different ways, we should not allow or be a part of stolen valor. I salute you all and I’m damn proud to call you vets, and brothers or sisters, no matter when or where you served.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2020 8:47 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 08:47:47 -0400

WHY? At least not as a daily thing they are a Vet. WHY get tangled up in stuff that does not matter. That would be like calling everyone above a certain age greatest generation to their face instead of Gpa or Gma or whatever. If a person wants to ask when u served thats diff. but in general no. Heck my dad served in Nam and so did a lot of the people we knew and none of them wanted to be called Vietnam Vet hell they almost never talked about nam. And from what I understand the same thing happened with those that served in WWI and WWII.

Response by SPC Dan Phariss made Oct 5 at 2020 9:00 AM

SPC Dan Phariss — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 09:00:14 -0400

Can't be a VN vet if you were never there. And just flying in on some aircraft for fuel don't count either. Now if they were flying combat over the war zone, which includes 3 countries, then they are VN vets. But since the VN vets stopped being on the level of dog shit at the time of the first Gulf War then people started wanting to be VN vets. Some who were never even in uniform. My wife is an era vet and would never let anyone think she is a VN vet. Most vets of the era will explain this. Navy personnel who served off shore will usually explain this as well. Company B, 1/61st Inf, 1 Bde, 5th Inf Div (Mech) 1970-71. BTW the troops in the OPs photo are ARVN by the looks of them. American units did not carry M1 Garands.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2020 12:57 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 12:57:32 -0400

No.

Response by Sgt Earl Newton made Oct 5 at 2020 2:18 PM

Sgt Earl Newton — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 14:18:27 -0400

NO I served in Vietnam 1969 and 1970..in country and on the ground...---...Semper Fi

Response by MSgt Robert Branscome made Oct 5 at 2020 3:24 PM

MSgt Robert Branscome — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 15:24:21 -0400

Sorry you did not make the party but a lot of us did so I do understand what you are saying I think. You think it is wrong for a vet that did not serve in country to be called a Vietnam Vet I believe. Well I am not ashamed of you guys as you most likely were our back up out of country and and believe we did need you. It would have been impossible for us to do what we did without you. Without supplies and the repairs that you people did we would have been in trouble. So enjoy the name because you were a part of it.

Response by SP5 David Bozek made Oct 6 at 2020 9:01 AM

SP5 David Bozek — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 09:01:04 -0400

I served in Viet Nam. I would prefer to be addressed as a "Viet Nam Vet" as opposed to a Viet Nam Era Vet. The two concepts are light-years apart.

Response by LTJG Charles Vroman made Oct 6 at 2020 12:13 PM

LTJG Charles Vroman — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 12:13:19 -0400

I went to boot camp, Class “A” School, Class “C” School, Basic Enlisted Submarine School, served on a submarine tender and two SSBNs during the Vietnam War. Because of my service on SSBNs, I am eligible for membership in the VFW while those that served on SS (Diesel), SSG (Diesel Guided Missile), SSN (Nuclear powered Fast Attack), and SSGN (Nuclear powered Guided Missile) submarines were, until recently, denied membership due to mission description.

Even though I served DURING the Vietnam War, I in NO WAY feel entitled to the title of Vietnam Veteran. That title is reserved SOLELY for those who served in-country, not those who happened to be serving elsewhere during that period of time, regardless of their mission. Some feel they are entitled to this particular honor just for having served DURING the period. I guess they need it to salve their weak egos and poor self esteem. They need it to feel they belonged to something larger than they originally volunteered for or something they could not face doing at an earlier age. That is a personal problem they need to deal with on their own, not at the expense of those who actually deserve this title for having endured the horrors of being in-country.

Response by George Carey made Oct 6 at 2020 1:06 PM

George Carey — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 13:06:27 -0400

I had a friend who was in the army in the early 70’s who never left the states. He said he would never disrespect those who were “in the jungle” by saying he was a Vietnam vet. I did not understand what he was saying or how he felt until I sat down with my dad one afternoon and asked him. He explained it to me like the idiot I am. Dad was “in the mud” as he put it as a Marine. When he explained what he actually did while in Vietnam, it made sense. He really was in the mud! He still almost never talks about it and only in the past 10 or so years has he worn short sleeved shirts. I never paid attention but he was hiding the combat tattoo he has in his forearm. He just says he is not proud of it but is happy things worked out for him to get back home so he could have kids. I am pretty sure he was saying he was glad I was born...

Response by PO3 Dean Lindstrom made Oct 6 at 2020 5:43 PM

PO3 Dean Lindstrom — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:43:01 -0400

I say "No". There are Vietnam Vets and there are Vietnam Era Vets. If you didn't see combat in Southeast Asia, you are not a Vietnam Vet. I have three friends that joined the Navy at the same time as me but they never left the US. If you didn't earn the medals, you didn't earn the title.

Response by Amn Meryl Hickman made Oct 6 at 2020 5:57 PM

Amn Meryl Hickman — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:57:40 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era Vet and have no issue with being called that, my father served 4 tours in Vietnam as a Green Beret and earned every medal he got, I, however, was only fortunate to enlist during that era. I would have gladly gone to war even though I am female, that was why I joined. I do not deserve to be called a Vietnam Vet, as I didn't have to endure war or any of the things my father and many more did. If you DIDN'T go over there then you don't deserve the title. It sickens me when I see some guy talking bout serving in Nam and he is younger than I am, that was over when I was 16 so it's not possible.

Response by MSgt Mayo Sifford made Oct 6 at 2020 6:45 PM

MSgt Mayo Sifford — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 18:45:22 -0400

I thought that change was made some time ago. I think all of our vets are classified as serving in certain periods, ie, Korean War, WWII, etc. The nurse who spent her tour at Walter Reed
caring for the guys and gals coming home with terrible wounds may not be a combat vet but few would argue that she is not a war veteran. I think that as long as the person you are addressing knows which period you are speaking of you're home free. We have enough divisions, we really don't need more.

Response by GySgt James Ogilvie made Oct 7 at 2020 12:13 AM

GySgt James Ogilvie — Wed, 07 Oct 2020 00:13:48 -0400

I joined the Marines in 61 to help my mom with the few dollars I had and what the government forked over. I liked my time serving, states, Japan, and was on the Cuban Crises, but got out in 65 as a LCpl- General Discharge under Honorable, couple court martials and Captain Mast. War was starting to get on and after 4 months kicking around decided to join up again and requested infantry post to get to the Nam. Joined the 5th Marines in Pendleton, sailed out in Fed 66 for the Nam. Fought and had quite a few of my buddies killed and maimed, came back for 2 years in states then back to the Nam in 69. Stayed in till 83 retiring a Gunny, sailed and trained with the Royal Marines, San Marco Marines, The Legion, Korean Marines and Philippine Marines. But as someone else said not all Nam Vets where in the line of hard fighting and living day to day to survive the shit. My buddies and I came home like skeleton's with all kinds of med and physic problems. The Nam vets in the rear had it good, fat jacks drinking beer, USO shows, movies 3 squares and screwing the broads. I didn't have much respect for most of them, but now days we still have our reunions, about 30 of us from the 66 thru 70 Echo Co, the 5th Marines every other year to remember and pay tribute to our falling brothers. As for others serving during that period of the war in the States, Europe, Far East Countries, nope their not "Vietnam Vets" their Vets with a Fire Watch Medal.

Response by Briana Villegas made Oct 7 at 2020 7:42 AM

Briana Villegas — Wed, 07 Oct 2020 07:42:57 -0400

My mother was in the Air Force from 70-74, as a nurses aide. She served stateside, and she doesnt call herself a Vietnam Vet, she calls herself a Vietnam Era Vet. To me they're both the same, because you served, whether it was here or there.

Response by 1SG Dennis Bailey made Oct 7 at 2020 3:57 PM

1SG Dennis Bailey — Wed, 07 Oct 2020 15:57:07 -0400

Look at your DD 214, does it give credit? If no credit on 214, then you claim you were an area vet, not a VN vet.

Response by SFC Lance Wilson made Oct 9 at 2020 9:45 AM

SFC Lance Wilson — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 09:45:38 -0400

If you were Not in Vietnam, your not a Vietnam vet! Plain and simple. Dont try to get credit for something you did not do or earn.Im not a pilot, but i rode in a airplane with a pilot, so can i claim to be a pilot?

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Oct 11 at 2020 9:02 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:02:23 -0400

Vietnam Era Vet is not a Vietnam Vet. It ticks me off to see a vet wear a hat that says Vietnam Era on it. It is akin to stolen valor. You did not serve in the combat zone or provide the services necessary to be classified as a Vietnam Vet. Thank you for serving and taking the same chance of going to Vietnam, but the fact is, you were not in country. Be glad you didn't have to go. Serving your country in Germany or Korea on the Cold War Front was important. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Fulda could have been breeched at anytime and all hell would have broken out. You are a Cold War Veteran and the Government should recognize that have a medal for it.

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Oct 14 at 2020 9:33 PM

SPC Arthur Lowder — Wed, 14 Oct 2020 21:33:45 -0400

if you served in vietnam you are a vietnam veteran.

Response by PO2 Cyrus Barberia made Oct 18 at 2020 1:35 PM

PO2 Cyrus Barberia — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:35:48 -0400

As a veteran who served in the during the Vietnam era January 1970 to December 1973 who had just as much chances anybody else to go to Vietnam. I feel I served my country and would like to be treated the same. I feel that even though I wasn't in combat. I respect combat veteran and wounded veterans deserve some extra credit. I feel I missed out not going to Vietnam where a lot of people that I know that I served with did go. I was in a class 25 in helicopter maintenance School and for some reason I was the only one that didn't go to Vietnam. Some would say I was lucky at the time I guess I did also
I feel I served the vital function and the job that I did while I was in service.

Response by PO2 Cyrus Barberia made Oct 19 at 2020 12:27 PM

PO2 Cyrus Barberia — Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:27:01 -0400

You had as much chance as anybody else to go to Vietnam the same as I had.
I had orders to go to a squadron that was headed to Vietnam and for some reason my orders were canceled I had no idea why they thought I was in the hospital or something which I never even went to sick Bay. Back then it was like rolling the dice you could have went or you could have not. You were lucky as I was that you didn't go but your chances were the same as anybody else I don't know if you would drafted or enlisted I enlisted to do my duty I just didn't get a chance to do it in Vietnam

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Oct 19 at 2020 12:45 PM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:45:47 -0400

Vietnam Heroes are Veterans of Foreign Wars and Campaigns and must be addressed as Heroes; Legends and, not just Veterans.

Response by PO2 Cyrus Barberia made Oct 19 at 2020 8:06 PM

PO2 Cyrus Barberia — Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:06:57 -0400

Thank you for your fast response I'm proud of all the other veterans that served during that era and currently I give you a lot of credit for reenlisting it's something that I should have done

Response by Pvt SanJuana Méndez made Oct 21 at 2020 3:51 PM

Pvt SanJuana Méndez — Wed, 21 Oct 2020 15:51:37 -0400

The question asks about distinction between Vietnam vets & those who risked being sent to Vietnam. I enlisted during that era. If my mother hadn't been killed (buried on 5th anniversary of my dad's death) while I wz in Boot, & if I hadn't been raised believing that as firstborn I wz responsible for my siblings' welfare when both parents are out of the picture, I might hv been able to focus on my training. According to hw I supported myself yrs after I served (clerical field), & coz of my gender (which I believe is why I wzn't offered hardship discharge when I became family matron) I might hv been sent to do nothing more than paperwork in China Beach. In other words, chance of my being sent to Vietnam wz just as great as any man.

I spent 5 yrs after separation between being considered veteran or not. All told, it wz 28 yrs before I could unequivocally call myself a veteran. I cn thank those of u who actually risked ur lives on the field & those who made the ultimate sacrifice for that particular distinction. Fact remains, tho USMC/DoD & my uncle (who deceptively took custody of my younger sibs) robbed me of that choice, I also risked being sent there. I don't call myself a Vietnam vet coz I understand & appreciate that distinction belongs to those who actually fought for it, but I AM a Vietnam Era vet coz I knowingly served during that period. Fact is, when I swore my oath, I wz picking up the staff dropped by a young man who fell at Qang Nam region 6 Aug 1969!

Response by SSgt Hamilton Bender made Oct 25 at 2020 4:31 PM

SSgt Hamilton Bender — Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:31:33 -0400

Response by SSgt John M Jensen made Oct 27 at 2020 9:31 AM

SSgt John M Jensen — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 09:31:18 -0400

I'm a Viet Nam era vet, serving from 1967 - 1971. That is how I should be approached as a Viet Nam era vet. I had cousins and friends who gave their all in Nam, others who returned and were gravely wounded in their hearts and minds. I never faced even close to what they did. No jungle rot, no two steppers, no killer heat, no oppressive rains and most importantly no enemy fire. Please do not give me the honor that should only be afforded to those who served in country.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Oct 28 at 2020 12:53 AM

Lt Col Warren Domke — Wed, 28 Oct 2020 00:53:36 -0400

Like many in RallyPoint I served a tour in Vietnam in a support capacity. I prefer to be considered a Vietnam veteran, although--since I did not serve in a combatant role--simply a Vietnam veteran, not a Vietnam combat veteran. While I am also a Vietnam era veteran I have no objection to being called that, but would like be recognized for serving in the combat zone. It is a distinction I feel should be made. Just being a veteran is important. Being known as a Vietnam veteran is also important to me. Thanks for the question.

Response by PO3 Mark Sartor made Oct 29 at 2020 10:36 PM

PO3 Mark Sartor — Thu, 29 Oct 2020 22:36:32 -0400

I would never detract from the valor and courage of those who served in Vietnam. I am a Vietnam Era Veteran (NAVY), and I feel it might disrespect those who served in Country to call me a Vietnam Vet. I am happy enough being a Vietnam Era Veteran.

Response by PO3 Mark Sartor made Oct 29 at 2020 10:36 PM

PO3 Mark Sartor — Thu, 29 Oct 2020 22:36:44 -0400

Response by CPL Michael Sullivan made Oct 30 at 2020 1:54 PM

CPL Michael Sullivan — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:54:01 -0400

I joined the Army and I served from 1972 to 1975 . I came home in uniform once and I never , ever did that again ! The looks and attituded the people had was of discus . I stopped in a bar in Woodside Queens NYC for change for the bus and the whole bar went silent ! I never call myself a Vietnam Vet ever . Always call myself an ERA Vietnam Vet . During my tour I was on alert 20-plus time's loaded up a half dozen times but always returned to base every time . I served with the 101 and 82 Airborne Divisions ! We were told Nixon was talking to the pictures in the WH and he was losing his mind ! Most of our alerts was for Israel , South America , and North Korea ! Nixon kept us up at night !

Response by Sgt Chris Llewellyn made Nov 1 at 2020 8:50 PM

Sgt Chris Llewellyn — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 20:50:41 -0500

My personal take on this straight forward. I volunteered as a aerial combat photographer in the USAF in early 1974. During my turn in tech school that AFSC was discontinued, so I entered another AFSC, I served in southeast Asia but never set foot in Vietnam. I am a Vietnam ERA vet. and will not nor would not take the title Vietnam Vet. Right is Right I didn't earn the right to claim that title. That Honor belongs to only those who walked that Hallowed ground. I've been called Baby Killer, Murderer, Mocked, Disrespected and blamed for the atrocities both real and imagined or made up.. I am proud of all my brothers and sisters who served our great country and thank you for your sacrifice. I pray for you and your families and loved ones. I am a Vietnam ERA veteran and I am proud of it. Thankyou for listening to my story. A fellow NCO.

Response by SP5 Gene Hutchins made Nov 2 at 2020 2:20 AM

SP5 Gene Hutchins — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 02:20:25 -0500

Vietnam Vet or Vietnam-era Vet are they the same? My opinion is there is a huge distinction. A 'Boots-On-The-Ground'
Vietnam Vet has had an substantially decisive experience . Theyhave been in imminent danger. A GI in Europe, in Japan, Korea, was not in such danger. The Boot on the Ground has most often been mortared fired on by rockets, been in harms way.

Response by SSgt William Black made Nov 9 at 2020 1:26 PM

SSgt William Black — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 13:26:09 -0500

As an Era Vet it doesn't matter to me.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2020 2:08 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 14:08:52 -0500

No.

Response by CDR Mark Johnson made Nov 9 at 2020 6:41 PM

CDR Mark Johnson — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 18:41:42 -0500

This may be nit picking, but it might be considered a minor case of stolen valor to claim to be a Vietnam Veteran without putting "era" in the middle of the phrase. It seems to me that this didn't become an issue until being a veteran, especially a Vietnam veteran, began gaining some cachet'. As a 'blue water' sailor on the USS Ranger, I have always been careful to point out that although I am a Vietnam vet, I would likely have been considered a REMF by most combat vets and would have to agree with them.

Response by Sgt Michael Sechrist made Nov 9 at 2020 7:54 PM

Sgt Michael Sechrist — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 19:54:15 -0500

As a Vietnam era vet I agree that if you were not in service for a tour in Vietnam you are NOT a Vietnam vet.

Response by PO2 Paul Gerg made Nov 10 at 2020 7:33 AM

PO2 Paul Gerg — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:33:39 -0500

A m of the era but did not serve in country. served in Bay of pigs and missile crisis and proud of that. Burial detail has instructions to just use the Veteran marker and not the Vietnam veteran one. Iwould never try to insult my brothers.

Response by SSG William Hull made Nov 10 at 2020 10:27 AM

SSG William Hull — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:27:21 -0500

There is a difference between a "Vietnam Era' veteran and a Vietnam veteran, as there should be. The same thing is true for our current service members; those that have deployed and those who didn't deploy during the last 19 years. I know of National Guard and Reserve members who have been 'non-deplorable' during this entire 'War on Terror' and members who have had 4 or 5 deployments. Do we address all of them the same?

Response by Maj Mike-Mary Ann Decker made Nov 10 at 2020 3:12 PM

Maj Mike-Mary Ann Decker — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 15:12:28 -0500

I don't feel they are anything but real veterans. Some were in country and have special stories which they will share and others who did something else equally important to the military mission. Everyone was a special veteran.

Response by Lt Col Paul Gacke made Nov 10 at 2020 5:31 PM

Lt Col Paul Gacke — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:31:58 -0500

Absolutely they are Vietnam vets. If you are going to start parsing contributions to this or any war, you will eventually start separating out those in country but didn’t carry a weapon. Then you’ll start separating out those who actually fired a weapon versus just protecting your unit. Finally, do you want to separate out those that shot someone (presumably the enemy) or were shot themselves.
I’ve heard these discussion many times over the past 50 years. EVERYONE. Who raised their hand and took the oath contributed in many different ways from providing support from other locations to becoming a POW or worse, died. Personally, I find no reason to exclude anyone who took that oath and won’t. God Bless all of you who are VietNam Veterans and to those families who suffered terrible losses as a result of your contribution.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Nov 10 at 2020 5:48 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:48:26 -0500

Byron Skinner. You have to separate ands different augments here. The first augment addresses a Stigma attached to those who actually fought, I mean throw soldiers who went face to face with the enemy killed him had buddies whose blood was all over his uniform were killed by him and only through a lot of luck was not himself killed by him. art the publics whipping boys for all of the political and cultural mess mess caused by the Vietnam war. For over 50 years throe of us who managed to come home for that have been held accountable for what happened, we are baby killers, but nobody recognizes the bravery of several soldier who broke in a human screen and putted the kid out before the squad beginning the killing rampage. The children likev, but who gives an American infantryman creed ir that.

The other question is everybody in the Army the same. The only acceptable answer to that question os NO!.. Every body in the army there the that 10% all have the same mission and that is to cup port and care for that 10% who can expect that 40% of the will be killed or wounded bad enough that the have to be Dust Offed. To anybody who can’t see the difference just volunteer o go into a night hot engagement,net, do a convoy escort of ammunition and other critical what material ride escort through an enemy sanctuary to resupply a platoon US troops engaged in some hot and nast stuff, the fight your way out. I believe that VA Benefits should be scaled as to the applicants participation in actual combat and having a Purple Heart is only a starter. For medical services they should have tom of line,the use to but the Officers drives, coke and PR typed put up such a use that it just disappeared to be those who are first and an are the sickest. VA benefits especial for disability and family support assistance and for assistance in meeting a standard on living that they who decided to skip military service. For Disabled veterans over 65 the composition for income not made because employers find a way to not compensate an amputee from making the same wage as as non amputee. In over 40years in the Private sector I have addressed at myself, we need somebody with two eye for the job and we also prefer those net smart enough to keep from losing an eye. A echo teaching interview. WE just can’t hire you as a hight schools teacher even though fully state credited and better the average College because somebody who fought in Viet jus be standing form of a High School Class can not possibly present the image we are attempting to expose our boys and girls to. The above is true it is among other of these reasons I git for not getting a job. The their is the classic closer, I though the Army ames care of its own, i certainly pay enough enough taxes for them to do that, what should I pay twice.

Response by TSgt David Wittich made Nov 10 at 2020 11:20 PM

TSgt David Wittich — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 23:20:49 -0500

I've always felt that the answer to this question is a resounding "YES". During the Civil War, if you served anywhere at any time in any capacity, you were a Civil War vet. Same story with the Spanish American War, WWI, WWII, Korea. Why was VietNam any different?

Response by Capt Tmitchel Chapman made Nov 10 at 2020 11:40 PM

Capt Tmitchel Chapman — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 23:40:07 -0500

As one who served two tours in country, I favor only to honor actual Veterans serving in Nam to be called VIET NAM VETERANS! We also wish to honor all Veterans

Response by SSG Wayne Wood made Nov 11 at 2020 10:39 AM

SSG Wayne Wood — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 10:39:43 -0500

I'm considered a Vietnam Era vet as I enlisted during the period the DoD considers the Vietnam Era. But by the time I came along we had pulled our troops out of country and I couldn't go if I tried (I did look into it). I would be embarrassed to call myself a "Vietnam Vet." My dad went, my brother went, I thought I was next and they signed the Treaty.

Yes, I served in the era. In my time I came close to being blown by a Terrorist bomb at V Corps HQs in Frankfurt in 1976, spent a lot of time searching for bombs on our Kaserne, and was asked how many babies I killed at JFK airport in 1977 when I came home on leave. I was declared dead three times in 24 hours as the result of a training accident (JTX Gallant Eagle 82), was deployed to Grenada in 1983 (the last two the VA has classified as happening during "Peacetime").

Though I have my own memories and scars and am entitled to be called a "Vietnam Era Vet" I consider myself more a "Cold War Vet" and was there a few times when the "Cold" War heated up. I feel weird being called a "Vietnam Era Vet" even though it's an accurate description of a period of my service.

You see, I lived through Nam in my own way, as an Army brat watching my mother's hair turn gray as my dad and brother took turns doing their tours. Watching my dad's firebase being hit on the nightly news, getting his letters back addressee unknown, dreading the Western Union truck. Then getting word my brother's patrol was ambushed in Cambodia and he was MIA presumed dead for several weeks before he turned up in an ARVN hospital - he'd been picked up by an ARVN Ranger patrol. But I didn't go.

The problem I have with calling myself a "Vietnam Era Vet" is it sometimes conveys the wrong impression I did serve. That's kind of embarrassing to me to have to explain - almost like posing, particularly when I think of my brother, who deals with PTSD from his experiences and the after-effects of Agent Orange; when I think of my best friend from the Army I met in Germany. He was prior service in the Marines and spent 3 1/2 years in country with Force Recon. Three Purple Hearts. I used to tease him about one for each full tour. A good thing they didn't let him extend that last time.

As I type this, my best friend, who is closer than a brother is at a VA hospital after open heart surgery, he sets off security alarms from the metal he carries as souvenirs from Nam. And has cancer, the kind guys who got sprayed with Agent Orange have. It's not looking good for him.

So, no, I don't feel comfortable being classified as a Vietnam Veteran. The Vietnam Era Vet is some sort of bureaucratic label to classify us. That's fine. As I said, I'm comfortable with the term "Cold War Veteran." I have my own scars and memories and did what I was called to do. It's enough. JMO

Response by SGT Michael Hearn made Nov 11 at 2020 12:30 PM

SGT Michael Hearn — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 12:30:33 -0500

Look at it this way we all served during the Vietnam war. If you were not in the country. A set of orders could have changed that just be proud you served

Response by Lt Col John Culley made Nov 11 at 2020 2:41 PM

Lt Col John Culley — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 14:41:24 -0500

Campus violence against ROTC cadets during the Vietnam Era entitles those of us who enrolled in ROTC to be considered Vietnam combat veterans especially because whenever we were spat on while in uniform we were told not to respond because ROTC would pay to dry clean our uniforms. ROTC facilities were shot at and fire-bombed as Ed Rollins witnessed according to pages 50 to 52 of his 1996 book entitled Bare Knuckles and Back Rooms.

Response by LCDR Joseph Richter made Nov 11 at 2020 2:49 PM

LCDR Joseph Richter — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 14:49:01 -0500

Darn right they should. Service during an era, no matter your job or location, qualifies you to the title. This stuff is petty and breaks down integrity. Probably started by some selfish Bloke that feels overly entitled to the title himself. Well stop it, if you were in during that era then you probably received the same harassment that the others in the field did. Just for the record, I am not saying this because I am a Vietnam Era veteran, came in shortly after, but still feel strong with my conviction. All heros in my eye. Happy Veterans Day Vietnam Vets, thanks for blazing trails for many of us to follow, big shoes to fill. I talk to a Vietnam Vet every week, they are all great people!

If a guy has season tickets to Nebraska Football games, been going to games for 20 years but never attended school at the University, do you call him a Cornhusker? Okay, what if he works at the school? What if he works at the school and is the Head Coach for the Football Team? Is he a Cornhusker

One more.... what about the Sailor on the Ship five miles off the Vietnam Shore? What if he was a gunner slinging salvo in the your battle area to clear out enemy troops for you? He was never boots down on the ground Vietnam, is he a Vietnam Vet? If you look at the ribbons on his chest, I'll bet they tell a different story if you say no.

Response by SGT Jacob Helms made Nov 11 at 2020 5:03 PM

SGT Jacob Helms — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:03:00 -0500

Vietnam era vet here. I never served in country. In fact during the first of my service the conflict was winding down. I still suffered the verbal abuse at airports as late as 1976. Difficulties finding employment after ETS. That being said, I personally feel claiming to be a Vietnam Vet is like stolen valor. I was never in country and can never know what it was truly like.

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2020 8:05 PM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 20:05:58 -0500

Nope! No way. No how. I am a Vietnam Era Veteran. My Cousin and Brother-in-Law are Vietnam Veterans. I would NEVER, EVER presume that I should be considered within the same ranks as them and their fellow Vietnam Veteran Brothers and Sisters.

Response by SGT Jim Harris made Nov 11 at 2020 8:10 PM

SGT Jim Harris — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 20:10:57 -0500

I know a number of Korean Vets, but I have yet to here a veteran call him self a Korean era vet. If you ask me, I'm a Veteran, a combat veteran who served in Vietnam.

Response by CMSgt Marshall Ray made Nov 11 at 2020 9:06 PM

CMSgt Marshall Ray — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 21:06:10 -0500

How about veteran period

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Nov 11 at 2020 9:37 PM

SSG Bill McCoy — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 21:37:13 -0500

To put it simply and accurately - if you've been awarded the Vietnam SERVICE Medal, OR the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal for SERVICE IN VIETNAM (land or sea), you ARE a Vietnam Vet.
If you have NOT been awarded either the Vietnam Service Medal, OR the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal for SERVICE IN VIETNAM (land or sea), then you are a Vietnam ERA Veteran.

Response by Sgt Jerry Genesio made Nov 12 at 2020 12:44 AM

Sgt Jerry Genesio — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 00:44:06 -0500

I agree with you. I was in from 1956-62 but do not feel entitled to refer to myself as a Vietnam vet, nor would I if I'd remained in uniform through the entire war but never served in-country.

Response by SP5 Jim Blakemore made Nov 12 at 2020 10:48 AM

SP5 Jim Blakemore — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 10:48:35 -0500

I agree with you on this, I also served in Germany, and am proud of my service there. So are we possibly Cold War, we were prepared for a potential war with Soviets?

Response by SGT Mike Fischnaller made Nov 12 at 2020 1:11 PM

SGT Mike Fischnaller — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 13:11:03 -0500

We're all Veterans - those that served in Vietnam (including at sea and in the skies above) should be Vietnam Vets - the rest are Veterans. Not sure why 'Vietnam Era' would be added.

Response by SPC Peter Capece made Nov 12 at 2020 2:21 PM

SPC Peter Capece — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 14:21:47 -0500

SPC Peter Capece, Served in the Military Police in Japan in the early 60's...During my time in Japan they did start sending MP's to Vietnam. I did not go because I was a short timer or I would of went. I ALWAYS REFER TO MY SERVICE AS a VIETNAM-ERA veteran.....All though, I had a number of relatives who served in WWII....as far as I remember all that served were referred to as WWII Veterans....regardless. ERA is fine with me....

Response by 1LT Joe Baker made Nov 12 at 2020 4:32 PM

1LT Joe Baker — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:32:16 -0500

My father finished up his enlistment right as our involvement in Vietnam was intensifying. He served stateside the entire time and would always correct people who said he was a Vietnam vet. He felt it was unfair to claim that, despite being in during the "era." I feel the same. I was active duty during Desert Storm, but my job was doing hearing tests on activated reservists prior to deployment--I never left Fort Dix. I'd never say I was Gulf War vet

Response by SGT Ronald "Shorty" Napier made Nov 12 at 2020 6:14 PM

SGT Ronald "Shorty" Napier — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 18:14:09 -0500

I think just Veteran would be good. There are different connotations from various sides. On the first week I came home and went to a neighborhood bar, I had to fight 3 guys because of their nasty comments. Its OK, I got 2 out of 3.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 12 at 2020 7:10 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 19:10:37 -0500

Have you ever heard of a WWI, WWII or Korean War Era Veteran? This issue is just another example of the divisiveness of this war on our country. CPT Jack Mordente

Response by SP6 Greg Jetter made Nov 13 at 2020 3:04 PM

SP6 Greg Jetter — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 15:04:49 -0500

I'll settle for Vietnam era vet , 1972 is when I went into the army , fortunately by the time I was in AIT Nixion had stop all new troop deployments to country , my entire class had orders for Vietnam , we all were re assigned and our orders were canceled. Though I never set foot in country I still got harassed at air ports when traveling , still had people I grew up with calling me a baby killer, the whole thing . It mostly rolled off my back . Over the course of 14 years active service I served with many who did serve in country and because of my MOS (91B Combat Medic) server with quit a few guy that still were dealing with what they had seen and done , I would never diminish what they had done by claiming to have "Served in the War" , I served state side , and because of my MOS experienced my own trauma that I dealt with , nothing to compare with what they went through. I believe most of the people in similar situations would prefer to be called "Vietnam Era" veterans .

Response by TSgt John Burres made Nov 13 at 2020 6:57 PM

TSgt John Burres — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:57:15 -0500

Having been drafted into service I did my most of two years in CO (5th Inf Div (M) as a 36K20 Field wire-man @ Ft. Carson, CO before the flag was moved to VN. The last nine months I was in I was moved to Div HQ to be a driver. I would never refer to myself as a VN Vet, but rather a VN Era vet as I never left the States. After a 10 break in service I went back in to the ANG where I spent 22 years and 4 AFSC's till retirement. My only deployment into harm's way was being activated during the Rodney King Riots in LA. I was attached to a Security Police Flight, and was activated w/ them to protect Comm centers in the LA area.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Nov 14 at 2020 9:14 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:14:25 -0500

One more comment . . .
If you were awarded the appropriate Vietnam medals for service in Vietnam, you are a Vietnam Vet. If not, don't try to get credit for something you did not earn. I was in during Desert Storm but did not make the deployment. I AM NOT A DESERT STORM ERA VET! I did get another star for my NSDM but I am not a veteran of that combat operation.

Response by PFC Wallace Whipps made Nov 14 at 2020 2:18 PM

PFC Wallace Whipps — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 14:18:11 -0500

I served from 1973 to 1977 in Germany during the Vietnam war. I don't consider myself a Vietnam era vet, I am a Cold war vet.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Nov 15 at 2020 8:40 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 20:40:25 -0500

NO.

This is a very sore point for me for two reasons.

My father is a Vietnam era veteran, who used his knowledge of the Navy to fake being a combat veteran until I was old enough to figure out the truth. My father went UA in 1966, was discharged OTH, and then when he went to prison in '72, used the idea of the "crazy Veitnam veteran" to avoid certain things in prison, this lie became a habit.

The second thing that angers me is that I served in the Navy, was on the America in 1990 during desert shield, then flew in operation southern watch, and supported the MAGTF in Restore Hope off the Tarawa, I also did a year in Iraq with the CA army national guard. And I have a friend from high school, who no longer speaks to me because I am a liberal; and he has spent 30 years in the Army and has never stepped into combat zone in his entire life, and is embarrassed about the fact that I, as a liberal and NG soldier, have more "combat awards" than he does.

I know this for a fact because i lost my cool once and referred to the fact that all of his awards are achievement awards from peacetime, and then he stopped speaking to me.

I do not like "fake veteran's" I don't mind some dumb kid or a guy who may be a little slow who lies and says they are a soldier, or wears a bunch of dumb awards or what ever; But it drives me nuts to have actual veteran's act like more than they they are. It is not the flagrant lie that hurts us, it is the humble brag that when exposed hurts us the most.

So no, if you never stepped one foot in country or never served at least one day in country you don't get to play that sympathy card.

Response by SFC Larry Jones made Nov 15 at 2020 10:57 PM

SFC Larry Jones — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 22:57:31 -0500

My 69 year old older brother (drafted) is a Vietnam era veteran and he will tell you right quick that he is not a Vietnam vet, as he never went to Vietnam.

Response by SCPO Tony Rice made Nov 16 at 2020 2:11 PM

SCPO Tony Rice — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 14:11:29 -0500

I graduated Naval Corp School in late 1969. I did not serve in country, I did not earn the title "Vietnam Veteran". I consider and refer to myself as a Vietman Era veteran and disapprove of being called a Vietnam Vet.

Response by SFC Richard Little made Nov 16 at 2020 2:16 PM

SFC Richard Little — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 14:16:21 -0500

SFC Ret) Richard Little
I retired with 22 yrs service in 1977. Because of my MOS, DA saw more value for me in Germany and Turkey than in Nam. Not too long ago I was talking to a 2-year Vietnam draftee who spent a considerable portion of his time in actual combat. He said "you stuck it out for all that time and I quit in two. You did so much better." and I answered: "Quality-wise your two exceeds my 22." We both did what we had to do but he had a much harder time in his 2 than I had in my 22. That said, it was a little difficult, over the years, for me not to have felt a little guilt for being absent from Nam. I clearly agree that I neither earned nor deserve being called a Vietnam Vet. While Vietnam Era Vet is somewhat acceptable, I prefer to label myself as a Cold War Veteran. Opinions vary but the most common one appears to be that the Cold War lasted from 1947-1989 - that's 42 years and I was there for a little more than of half of them. When all is said and done, we need to work with the hand that is dealt us. Labels come and go just as do we.

Response by ENS Louis Liotti made Nov 16 at 2020 4:49 PM

ENS Louis Liotti — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 16:49:13 -0500

It is sufficient to me that I served during the Viet Nam-era. But it is those who qualified for the Viet Nam Service Medal or the Viet Nam Campaign Ribbon who should only, rightfully, be termed “Viet Nam Vets”. Their service indeed deserves praise. To those who say something on the order of “I can’t understand why they weren’t there” (meaning in-country) betray an obvious ignorance of how the military works, no matter how long they served. Someone who served on a Blue or Gold crew of a nuclear submarine is a veteran as much as, or as little as, someone who served elsewhere. The problem comes when someone tries, consciously or unconsciously, to make moral distinctions between types of service. We have no need of further divisiveness in our Country. There are those who served entirely within the confines of MACV HQ or unloading ships at Cam Ranh Bay which, with the possible exception of the weeks after Tet 1968, was not like serving in the bush. And they are all termed, rightfully, “Viet Nam Vets”. As has been said elsewhere in this chain, do not embellish your service - just be proud you served. To the Viet Nam Veterans who served in-country, I say “Thank you and God Bless You” To those who served elsewhere, I say “Thank you and God Bless You”.

Response by PFC James Edward VERNON jr made Nov 16 at 2020 4:55 PM

PFC James Edward VERNON jr — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 16:55:15 -0500

I DO NOT SEE THE "PROBLEM", THERE ARE KOREAN WAR, WWI, WWII VETS; SO WHAT IS WRONG WITH VIET NAM VETS BEING ADDRESS AS SUCH.

Response by CPT Keith Messinger made Nov 16 at 2020 6:18 PM

CPT Keith Messinger — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 18:18:10 -0500

No.

Response by SPC Edward T Harris made Nov 19 at 2020 9:31 AM

SPC Edward T Harris — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 09:31:23 -0500

I take nothing away from the men and women who served in Viet Nam and SE Asia. I asked to go but was turned down and sent to Germany. I was overseas ready if orders were given. This makes me a Viet Nam Era Veteran, Not a Viet Nam Veteran. The 3rd Infantry was sent to Iraq from Germany, 2003? To all the men and women who were sent to Viet Nam while I was in, I served my country, 9-1971 - 9-1973, My salute to you. But I am not a Viet Nam Veteran.

Response by SGT Carlyle Seavers made Nov 19 at 2020 9:59 AM

SGT Carlyle Seavers — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 09:59:57 -0500

I too served in Germany from 1961 thru 1962. We were asked if we would volunteer to go to Vietnam in1962. I didn’t volunteer. I’m not aware what years of service you had to be in to qualify as a Vietnam vet.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2020 5:07 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Nov 2020 17:07:00 -0500

Well, my dad was drafted. He'd have some interesting words to use.

Response by PO2 David Witt made Dec 2 at 2020 1:46 PM

PO2 David Witt — Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:46:38 -0500

I requested to go. But was sent to Va. 73-77

Response by SPC James J Riddlebaugh III made Dec 20 at 2020 10:18 AM

SPC James J Riddlebaugh III — Sun, 20 Dec 2020 10:18:12 -0500

Yes I do

Response by Cpl Brian Horgan made Dec 21 at 2020 2:44 PM

Cpl Brian Horgan — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 14:44:59 -0500

As a Marine Corps Vet - active duty 1969-1972 I am a Vietnam ERA vet. Anyone who didn't serve in-country who calls themselves a Vietnam Vet" is guilty of stolen valor.

Response by SMSgt Michael Gleason made Dec 21 at 2020 3:59 PM

SMSgt Michael Gleason — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 15:59:22 -0500

As a U.S. Army (at that time) Vietnam-Era Vet who (by the grace of God?) got sent to "the OTHER 'hardship tour'", Korea (1968-1970), it strikes me that to say "Vietnam Vet" means that one was IN Vietnam. I will stick with "Vietnam-Era Vet", to avoid anyone's impression that I'm "making claim" to something I didn't do. In fact, if I'm invited to an event that is stated to be "for Vietnam Vets", I won't go.

Response by SMSgt Kent Brown made Dec 21 at 2020 5:38 PM

SMSgt Kent Brown — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 17:38:38 -0500

When I get asked about Vietnam my response is always the same "I was stationed in Okinawa during Vietnam. I never went 'in country' but my airplanes did." I've never claimed anything that I didn't do. I did not go through what some friends of mine did and am grateful for that. I did have to clean up damaged airplanes because of their trip to SEA. I was a C-130 crew chief.
I went where I was sent and did what I was told.
Merry Christmas to all.

Response by CPO Gregory Wemhoff made Dec 21 at 2020 11:23 PM

CPO Gregory Wemhoff — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 23:23:00 -0500

Nope.
"Vietnam era" vets should suffice.

Response by PFC Jim VanDemark made Dec 22 at 2020 11:52 AM

PFC Jim VanDemark — Tue, 22 Dec 2020 11:52:17 -0500

Same here - was in Germany....

Response by SSG Bobby Richardson made Dec 22 at 2020 4:03 PM

SSG Bobby Richardson — Tue, 22 Dec 2020 16:03:10 -0500

As a veteran of the Vietnam Era, I feel that the appellation "Vietnam Vet" carries with it the implication that one actually served 'in-country'. Whenever people find out that I served during that time (for me, barely - '74-'85) and they mention Vietnam, I make a point of clarifying that I never saw the inside of a jungle.

I have the utmost respect and compassion for servicemembers who *d8d* spend time over there, and I would never want to glom onto the accolades that *they* deserved.

Response by SGT Shannon O'Connell made Dec 22 at 2020 5:27 PM

SGT Shannon O'Connell — Tue, 22 Dec 2020 17:27:54 -0500

My dad served in Germany during Vietnam. He could have been sent to Vietnam but was fortunate enough not to have been. When he rarely speaks of his service he is careful to make it clear that he is NOT a Vietnam vet, and he didn't share in any of the hardships that they did.

Response by 2ndLt Fulton Recepcion made Dec 22 at 2020 6:36 PM

2ndLt Fulton Recepcion — Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:36:19 -0500

I came in during the Gulf War, but never made it there. I wouldn't feel right being referred to as a Gulf War Vet. So it's not really fitting if you didn't go in country or off the coast.

Response by TSgt Gwen Walcott made Dec 23 at 2020 5:25 PM

TSgt Gwen Walcott — Wed, 23 Dec 2020 17:25:04 -0500

Are you considering as those being there as those only ON THE GROUND (in country) or also including those in the skies but stationed out of country? (Thailand, Philippines, Japan, other...).
No, we all are Vets, if active 67-75 (ish), whether or not in-country. Who are the civilians to know whether you were a ConUS campie or a troop?

Response by CW2 Scott Quaife made Dec 23 at 2020 6:53 PM

CW2 Scott Quaife — Wed, 23 Dec 2020 18:53:14 -0500

My FIL served in the AF from 1960-64. He was in Spain and Idaho. He does not consider himself part of the Vietnam era war vets. He is Cold War and rightful so.

Response by SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott made Dec 24 at 2020 12:10 PM

SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott — Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:10:56 -0500

I came in at the tail end of Vietnam in 1974. All though I experienced some of the same prejudices as the Vietnam Vets, I'm not comfortable being called one. Yes technically I'm a Vietnam Era Vet on paper, but I'm just a Vet who served her country in a non-combat way!

Response by LCpl Richard Lally made Dec 24 at 2020 12:21 PM

LCpl Richard Lally — Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:21:13 -0500

What about the guys who listed as stateside that were stationed where we (THE U.S.)were not supposed to be.?

Response by SSG Jonathan Sampey made Dec 25 at 2020 3:43 PM

SSG Jonathan Sampey — Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:43:11 -0500

Does anyone refer to WW-2 or Korean war vets as WW-2 "era" / Korean war "era" vets? When I enlisted (not drafted) during Viet Nam, I had no idea or power to decide where I went. I know I wasn't in country and my brave brothers and sisters carried the load. None the less, I volunteered. At BAMC I spent many hours caring for them. I spent 6 years in the 85th Evac hospital but was sent Germany. 2 months after arriving, BAM! Desert Shield followed by Desert Storm. I immediately requested reassignment to the 85th only to be told I was needed at my assignment at Landstuhl ( 2 nd General Hospital)! Remember, it's not our decision!

Response by SGT Floyd Avey made Dec 28 at 2020 4:45 PM

SGT Floyd Avey — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 16:45:11 -0500

What about all the guy in VN who were not in combat? Are VN Combat vets diff than than VN vets. Some think so. No wonder VN vets are not respected by the oldtimers. Geez.

Response by MSgt Leilani Mariotti made Dec 31 at 2020 2:03 PM

MSgt Leilani Mariotti — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 14:03:44 -0500

My husband was at O'Hare airport and was spit on. He was called a baby killer. He just got out of Tech school, but came in during Viet Nam and I did too. Spitting and baby killer remarks are never called for.

Response by Sgt Steven Baldwin made Jan 3 at 2021 12:01 PM

Sgt Steven Baldwin — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 12:01:11 -0500

I'm a life member of VVA, never stepped foot in country, I can not in clear conscious wear the hat, or jacket, place the sticker, or call myself a Vietnam Vet. To me that is stolen Valor and many of the "Era" vets have been repeatedly told our place, just like still goes on with today's combat vets, just like the "pecking order" that happens when warriors start comparing their experiences to others and need to be the winner of "my hell vs your hell". Proud to have served, thankful everyday to be an American Vet!

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Jan 5 at 2021 8:44 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 20:44:49 -0500

As a Vietnam vet, I prefer just to be called/referred to as a veteran. If asked which war, I'll answer the question with Vietnam War.

Response by Sgt Tom Gainer made Jan 9 at 2021 6:42 PM

Sgt Tom Gainer — Sat, 09 Jan 2021 18:42:06 -0500

A lot of us who served in Vietnam are grateful when some ask if we served there and they give us a “welcome home” greeting. Just say’in

Response by SPC Carl P. made Jan 10 at 2021 4:22 PM

SPC Carl P. — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:22:04 -0500

Don't feel I have the right to sign in on this one as I was a member of the All-Volunteer Army in the 70s.

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made Jan 18 at 2021 1:52 PM

SSgt Russell Stevens — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:52:23 -0500

What is the difference between being a Viet Nam vet and being a combat vet? I can answer that, the term combat vet includes a whole lot of veterans who are too old or too young to have participated in operations in Southeast Asia. While I am too young for the war in Viet Nam, I was exposed to lots of chemicals and radioactive materials as part of the job I was assigned to in Southwest Asia. Maybe different leadership in the two places, but I found the leaders placed above me to be as toxic as what my uncles said about their leadership in Viet Nam.

Response by Capt Raymond Lewis made Jan 21 at 2021 3:06 PM

Capt Raymond Lewis — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 15:06:57 -0500

NO to the 10th power!!! How can you be a Vietnam Vet if you were stationed in German? You are a Vietnam Era vet that served in Germany.

Response by 1SG Leon Espe made Jan 25 at 2021 10:11 AM

1SG Leon Espe — Mon, 25 Jan 2021 10:11:19 -0500

Military personnel who served in country during the war and were subject to mortar, artillery or gun fire should be authorized to call themselves Vietnam Vet. If you served anywhere else and never were "in country" during the conflict you are not a Vietnam Vet. Just my opinion.

Response by SP5 Matthew J. Palazola made Jan 26 at 2021 1:24 PM

SP5 Matthew J. Palazola — Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:24:47 -0500

The nomenclature of "era" vet does provide a distinction between those of us who had boots on the ground in RVN, and those who did not. I know a number of Vietnam era vets who would never claim that they were Vietnam Vets. Due to the luck of the draw, they were stationed elsewhere. 95% of my AIT class, were sent to Nam, me included. Those not yet 18 were sent to Thailand, lucky for them.
Always remember, there is a brotherhood among Vietnam veterans.

Response by PO2 Chuck Tweddell made Jan 27 at 2021 9:52 AM

PO2 Chuck Tweddell — Wed, 27 Jan 2021 09:52:59 -0500

Just say thank you and be glad you were somewhere else serving and not Vietnam!!!

Response by TSgt Ken Vandevoort made Feb 10 at 2021 7:33 PM

TSgt Ken Vandevoort — Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:33:44 -0500

During my lifetime, I have never read about or met any Civil War-era vets, Spanish-American War-era vets, WWI-era vets, WWII-era vets or Korean War-era vets.

Response by SPC George Edwards made Feb 17 at 2021 4:41 PM

SPC George Edwards — Wed, 17 Feb 2021 16:41:49 -0500

No. I'm amazed that anyone would even pose that question. I also served in Germany from 62 to 64 and when I had to go in for the re-up talk with my CO, volunteered for Nam. My captain, reminding me that I had just become a father, told me to go home. So, Vietnam era, certainly not a Viet Nam vet.

Response by SGT Lorenzo Nieto made Feb 23 at 2021 6:01 AM

SGT Lorenzo Nieto — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 06:01:38 -0500

Why not call it what it is we call all other vets by the wars they served in I am a Vietnam war veteran maybe we should not be called Vietnam veterans because most people didn’t see it as a war before you judge me you have to walk in my shoes and carry the demons of war I do, I will call a Vietnam war veteran what he or she is with honor many people do not see as such

Response by PO2 Margaret Randle made Feb 25 at 2021 1:51 AM

PO2 Margaret Randle — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 01:51:44 -0500

To say that "anyone" who served during the Vietnam war could have gone into combat is blatantly false. During that time period, women were not allowed boots on the ground in combat zones. However, we did serve. My late husband was an FMF Corpsman x 20 years and I served in the operating room at Bethesda Naval Hospital. The injuries I dealt with daily were catastrophic. The reason many of you combat vets are here today is due to the dedication of those of us who served in those operating rooms!!

You may refer to us in a disgusted manner as Vietnam ERA vets but we most assuredly also served and many of you should be grateful that we did serve.

Like all else in this world, we each have our preordained place in life. We cannot all do the same thing or be a hero but we should have respect for each other and the jobs each of us do.

Response by SSG Paul Gilbert made Feb 25 at 2021 12:48 PM

SSG Paul Gilbert — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 12:48:38 -0500

Personally, I would just refer to them as veterans. After all, not all WWII vets served in Europe or the Pacific and not all service members who served during the early 50’s were in Korea. A vet is a vet, regardless of when or where he (or she) served or what their capacity was. We all signed that blank check.

Response by Capt Edward Egan made Feb 26 at 2021 7:15 PM

Capt Edward Egan — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 19:15:41 -0500

No. They're veterans, but not Vietnam veterans.

Response by MAJ Blair McLeod made Feb 27 at 2021 10:39 AM

MAJ Blair McLeod — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:39:23 -0500

No way. My uncle was in AAC during WW2. He was never deployed over seas. He did not ever claim to be a WW2 vet. Being in country during war is a requirement to be called a Vietnam War vet.

Response by Cpl Ronald VanAuken made Feb 27 at 2021 10:43 PM

Cpl Ronald VanAuken — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 22:43:44 -0500

Two responses. First, that there be no misunderstanding, I would restrict it to those who served "in country." That said, I don't know why it is even an issue. It may be that I am the oddball. I served, came home, was not ridiculed or abused, and do not go about talking or bragging about my time in the Corps. Don't wear the uniform, decorations, or anything else to draw attention to myself or my service. No need for the attention. Even when someone finds out, we may have a good discussion; but always respectful.

Response by PO3 Roger Nickol made Feb 28 at 2021 9:41 AM

PO3 Roger Nickol — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 09:41:29 -0500

Should WWII Vets be referred to as WWII-era vets or Korean War Vets as Korean-era Vets?

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Mar 1 at 2021 11:10 PM

SPC Arthur Lowder — Mon, 01 Mar 2021 23:10:17 -0500

VIETNAM ERA VETS DID NOT SERVICE IN VIETNAM, SERVICE ONLY IN THE VIETNAM TIME ERA.

Response by Cpl Jack Gurio made Mar 6 at 2021 7:40 AM

Cpl Jack Gurio — Sat, 06 Mar 2021 07:40:46 -0500

No no no. If their boots were not on the ground, then it's Vietnam era. They were are not equal to guys who were in the danger. Common sense.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2021 8:50 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 08:50:29 -0500

Service in-country isn’t the same as service outside Vietnam.

Response by SGT Wayne Grindstaff made Mar 7 at 2021 9:51 AM

SGT Wayne Grindstaff — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 09:51:45 -0500

I am very firm on this opinion. If one either set foot in Vietnam, fly over, or was in it's territorial waters, they are a Vietnam Vet, period. This certainly doesn't diminish my appreciation of the Era Vets as they also played their part in "keeping me in bullets and beans". I've heard various numbers but it took maybe a dozen personal to keep one Infantryman in the field. That's why I thank all that served.

Response by SFC Jeff Reed made Mar 7 at 2021 12:54 PM

SFC Jeff Reed — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 12:54:14 -0500

Absolutely not.

Response by PO3 Kenneth Suvanto made Mar 7 at 2021 1:05 PM

PO3 Kenneth Suvanto — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 13:05:33 -0500

I deleted this comment and created a corrected version.

Response by A1C Michelle Moyer made Mar 7 at 2021 2:51 PM

A1C Michelle Moyer — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 14:51:44 -0500

I believe the distinction is only meaningful to veterans. We are all veterans regardless of where, when and how we served. God bless us all

Response by SP5 Tom Flaherty made Mar 7 at 2021 5:05 PM

SP5 Tom Flaherty — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 17:05:02 -0500

No, only if you were in theater are a Viet Nam vet. I was in Korea and the Korean DMZ 67-68 and refer to my self that way.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2021 5:18 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 17:18:18 -0500

I think "Vietnam Era Veteran" is well-enough understood (at least by anyone whose opinion I would care about) that it stands on its own. I would never consider myself an Iraq or Afghanistan veteran, just because my period of service overlapped those conflicts.

Response by PO3 Kenneth Suvanto made Mar 7 at 2021 5:26 PM

PO3 Kenneth Suvanto — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 17:26:06 -0500

I think I'm a VietNam Veteran however, I don't consider myself one when the REAL ones had boots on the ground...ground pounders. There really should be a distinction between them and I. They were in the jungle and I was kinda, safe in the Tonkin Gulf. I don't mean the guys at Cam Ranh Air Force Base in Cam Ranh Bay either...just the guys walking around the jungle (or riding in a tank, truck or whatever). That's where the problem lies...that's why it comes up...those REAL Vets want to be distinguished between us guys in our safe place lol. It was dangerous on the flight deck. This C-2 (Greyhound0 crashed landed right in front of me when I had foul line duty (18 years old). I thought I was a goner because of the debris flying right at me...I had to duck behind a little air-compressor sitting on the deck next to me. Everything was in slow motion...I could see all these pieces in mid-air coming at me...it seemed like everything just was in still motion until I could figure out what to do...when I seen what to get behind and do, then everything resumed flying thru the air lol. Anyhoo, I performed my duties perfectly and made sure everyone (the VIP's) got off the Plane safely. I was also a tractor driver helping to get the Birds cranked up with my little starter jet engine on the tractor. I also moved the birds into position on the deck. As a Blue shirt, I chocked and chained the Birds securely to the deck pad eyes. The last Battle of the War, the Mayaguez Incident. We coked and joked with the Grunts the night before they were loaded on the Helo's to make their assault the next morning. Sitting there talking with them, I could see they were afraid...I wondered why they were sending these kids (Like, I wasn't one lol) into battle, as I thought, I knew more about combat than they did (Again, I thought lol). It was sad for me to see that. They had just gotten out of bootcamp, were sent to Okinawa then to our Boat! Vietnam Veterans are the ones who served in the jungle...period! IMHO, of course. I will never consider myself a Vietnam Veteran while I'm around or talking to GROUND POUNDERS that were there! Around civilians, different story...does all this make sense? Sincerely, Ken

Response by Johnny Jurado made Mar 7 at 2021 6:35 PM

Johnny Jurado — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 18:35:11 -0500

Under duress, yes. I have mixed emotions about this subject. If one chooses a military occupational specialty that would help you to avoid combat, piss on you. If you were not in South Vietnam, piss on you as well. Vietnam veteran implies service in a war zone and should not be intermixed with having served during the Vietnam period. Could have been sent to Vietnam is comparable to could have had triplets. Get a grip on reality. Call a dog a dog.

Response by SSgt Cynthia Hamilton made Mar 7 at 2021 10:58 PM

SSgt Cynthia Hamilton — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 22:58:32 -0500

I'm Viet Nam Era, as I didn't go in country. Women weren't allowed in country then anyway, not in my AFSC anyway.

Response by TSgt Rick Petersen made Mar 8 at 2021 3:38 AM

TSgt Rick Petersen — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 03:38:13 -0500

I’m a wee bit confused about this supposed Vietnam Era medal several folks are referring to. It appears to be a National Defense medal that every military member is awarded while being in the service during war time. It was awarded to all Vietnam era vets as well as OEF/OIF veterans etc...I got mine during the Gulf War...but not in 1974 when I first enlisted. Comments?

Response by CPO Bill Frey made Mar 8 at 2021 12:34 PM

CPO Bill Frey — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 12:34:22 -0500

I've known several combat veterans from this conflict. I don't believe any of them think it is necessary to hold a special title. Thank them and shake hands has seemed to work in my experiences. I'm not sure having served outside the theater diminishes ones earning respect for serving, however having been in the shit so to speak deserves an occasional head of the line privilege.

Response by SP5 John Burleson made Mar 8 at 2021 1:52 PM

SP5 John Burleson — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 13:52:11 -0500

Yeah, they should be addressed as Vietnam Vets. If it's meant as a compliment, thank them and then confess to never having been in country but, like most of us, you lost friends there. That's my response. On the other hand, if the address comes from someone who deserves to get hit with a dead fish, whck them, thank them and toddle off.

Response by GySgt Marc Dickerson made Mar 8 at 2021 2:04 PM

GySgt Marc Dickerson — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 14:04:08 -0500

If you were not in Nam, you are NOT a Nam vet. Period. Same as any other place. If you weren't there, you shouldn't say that you were.

Response by CPL Bill Peterson made Mar 8 at 2021 4:39 PM

CPL Bill Peterson — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 16:39:34 -0500

I believe it is irrelevant. This subject is as bad as what we face today with politically correctness and a bunch of snow flakes.

The issues is when it turns to stolen valor!

Response by Sgt William Hodges made Mar 8 at 2021 4:44 PM

Sgt William Hodges — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 16:44:59 -0500

Okay, let's take this further. Should vets that served only in the USA during WWII be denied the right to be called WWII Vets. I think not. Every person that served in the military during that time period had a job that supported the overall effort whether directly related to the war or not. BTW I do agree with the Vietnam era distinction from Vietnam Vet.

Response by SP5 Jim Ford made Mar 8 at 2021 7:33 PM

SP5 Jim Ford — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 19:33:19 -0500

Between 1963-1969 I served in the U.S. Army. About 90% stateside and 10% Europe. When folks ask if I'm a a Vietnam Vet I say no---my closest war time experience was keeping Russians out of German beer halls.

Response by CPO John Moore made Mar 8 at 2021 11:45 PM

CPO John Moore — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 23:45:26 -0500

what if you have two classes of veterans: The first class would be military veterans (didn't see any combat. No boots on the ground).
The Second class would be combat veterans ( would have seen combat. Boots on the ground).

Response by SPC Laura Mitchell made Mar 9 at 2021 12:23 AM

SPC Laura Mitchell — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 00:23:07 -0500

I think Vietnam-Era is probably the best way to go to cover all who served. The unspoken subtext to Vietnam Vet is that you were actually in Vietnam. If someone tells me they’re a Vietnam Vet, my first question will be when were you there?

Response by SSG Danny Miller made Mar 9 at 2021 1:22 AM

SSG Danny Miller — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 01:22:03 -0500

My father was Kia in Vietnam. He was a Vietnam War veteran. I served during the Vietnam war. I did not got to Vietnam. I consider myself a Vietnam Era veteran. Therefore I am not a Vietnam war veteran.

Response by SSgt Richard Lintner made Mar 9 at 2021 1:53 AM

SSgt Richard Lintner — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 01:53:47 -0500

Yes, that is what we are

Response by SGT William Jackson made Mar 9 at 2021 6:24 AM

SGT William Jackson — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 06:24:07 -0500

Absolutely Not!

Response by PO3 Warren Graef made Mar 9 at 2021 8:00 AM

PO3 Warren Graef — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 08:00:38 -0500

If you went to Vietnam or Vietnam waters, you are a vietnam veteran. If you were in the military during the period, you are a vietnam era veteran and that won't change.

Response by A1C Riley Sanders made Mar 9 at 2021 1:05 PM

A1C Riley Sanders — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 13:05:03 -0500

SPC Johnny Velazquez:
Vietnam Veterans signify's in Country.
Vietnam Era Veteran signify's you served during the Vietnam war, not in Country
Perhaps a survey regarding your question needs established.

Response by SGT James Bower made Mar 9 at 2021 2:25 PM

SGT James Bower — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 14:25:10 -0500

Two thoughts. One, technically anyone who served during the Vietnam War is classified as a Vietnam War Veteran. Many of us that serviced other than in Vietnam didn't think this was correct but we were issued the Vietnam Wat Veterans Pin.
Secondly, I always refer to myself as a Vietnam War Era veterans, since my entire serving was stateside. I do not want to steal any valor from those were in Vietnam.
I think it has to do with intent.

Note there is some good information and links on http://www.VeteranBargains.com about the wall and the moving wall coming to Kansas

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Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Mar 9 at 2021 3:23 PM

Sgt Frank Staples — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 15:23:30 -0500

The comment came to mean anyone who had actually served in Viet Nam...even if they didn't see combat! I am NOT a VN veteran...I'm a Greenland in the wintertime veteran... I don't know which one was worse. I realize that I could have been subject to the taunts and such and, had it happened to me I'd have probably gotten into trouble because back then I was young, strong, arrogant, and not likely to let someone hassle me. I agree with the comment that CPT Jack makes!

Response by LTC Clayton Hill made Mar 9 at 2021 4:43 PM

LTC Clayton Hill — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 16:43:19 -0500

No, and that includes me. However, USAF, Navy and other services in theater is a gray area. Just because one did not get shot down or sunk off-shore does not lessen Vietnam service there. Germany, state-side or otherwise delutes those who served in theater. But, I am happy to get veterans designation with almost 40 years w/o ever being on active duty more than 180 days.

Response by Sgt Jim Robinson made Mar 9 at 2021 4:52 PM

Sgt Jim Robinson — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 16:52:35 -0500

A couple years ago a local town had a "Welcome Back" ceremony for VietVets. When they didn't get enough response they opened it up to anyone who served during that time period. Said they could be welcomed back too....

None of the real VietVets I know attended.

Enough said.
If you still can remember the stink of Vietnam you are a VietVet. If not, you are just a Veteran.
Be proud of your service, whether it was in Nam, Korea, Germany or stateside. Don't belittle the sacrifice made by the men who actually served in Nam. Whether it was infantry, truck driver, medic, supply(that's me), being there counts.
How can anyone compare walking to the beer garden with a fraulein to running to the bunkers when the rockets came in is beyond me.

My 2 cents.worth.

Robinson, James
Sgt, USMC
Danang, 70-71

Response by Sgt David Johnson made Mar 10 at 2021 1:36 AM

Sgt David Johnson — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 01:36:45 -0500

I enlisted in 1974, nearly 16 months after the Paris Peace Accords were signed, and as we were nearly withdrawn from the country. I am considered a Vietnam Era vet. I have never considered myself to be a veteran of the Vietnam War, "Era" or otherwise, in any way shape or form. Nor do I expect anyone else to consider me as such. However, there are those who did not deploy to Southeast Asia, who were intricately involved in training, providing logistics, and, importantly, provided medical care to the wounded, who are deserving of being recognized for their wartime service.

Response by MSgt Thomas Benedict made Mar 10 at 2021 1:38 AM

MSgt Thomas Benedict — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 01:38:32 -0500

No that would be like wearing a VN Service Ribbon without having been there. We earned it, but not to cast doubt on the character of the Era Vets who also served but simply to recognize that what we did was worthy of distinct recognition. What ERA Vets did was necessary and are also worthy of recognition but I feel they should be separate.

Response by PO1 Gary Boetker made Mar 10 at 2021 8:01 AM

PO1 Gary Boetker — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 08:01:31 -0500

Serving in the military during that time, 70'-76', I have mixed feelings. The local chapter of Viet Nam Veterans in my town have fully embraced me as a Viet Nam era vet but I still have a hard time with it. Those guys were in country and went through living hell. But on the other side if you were in the military during that time you were subject to the same domestic name calling as those who served in country.

Response by PO1 Gary Boetker made Mar 10 at 2021 8:02 AM

PO1 Gary Boetker — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 08:02:12 -0500

Response by SGT Donald Lisdahl made Mar 10 at 2021 8:53 AM

SGT Donald Lisdahl — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 08:53:42 -0500

I’m a Vietnam era vet and have many Vietnam veteran friends. I believe if you served in the war overseas you deserve the distinct title Vietnam vet. I’ve been asked a few times about whether I was a Vietnam vet and my answer is always the same: I served during the war but wasn’t deployed. I think the true veterans of the war deserve that distinction but not those who didn’t

Response by Marilyn Kenoly made Mar 10 at 2021 4:16 PM

Marilyn Kenoly — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:16:26 -0500

Well, my husband served in Vietnam not the 'Era of Vietnam' and is dead because of it! That is my take on it. Every day we struggle to survive his loss. My mind is too busy in the fight to live!! Call them what they are!! If agent Orange didn't kill them multiple myeloma or something related to their tour did; so, yes, there is a distinct difference!!

Response by MSgt William Horan made Mar 10 at 2021 9:06 PM

MSgt William Horan — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 21:06:45 -0500

No, how about you just be a quiet professional. If the topic of service comes up and if they ask if you're a vet, then you can respond, "Yes, I was in (insert service) and served in (insert conflict) at such and such area of operations. I don't introduce myself as, "Hey nice to meet you, I'm retired Master Sergeant XYZ, I'm a combat vet of Iraq and Afghanistan, blah blah blah." That's just me, your mileage may vary.

Response by Sgt Heidi Niswonger-Dulom made Mar 10 at 2021 9:21 PM

Sgt Heidi Niswonger-Dulom — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 21:21:30 -0500

No, they are absolutely not Vietnam Vets.

Response by SMSgt Carlos Arevalo made Mar 10 at 2021 10:07 PM

SMSgt Carlos Arevalo — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 22:07:07 -0500

I’m a vet. Served Viet Nam and Germany

Response by PFC Michael Gysin made Mar 10 at 2021 10:23 PM

PFC Michael Gysin — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 22:23:21 -0500

Too many veterans want to be terminally unique because they think they did more than other, but when it comes down to it, everyone sold their soul to this country, and everyone deserve the respect. Being a grunt, I often say there are two types of soldiers: this infantry and infantry support, but the infantry doesn't do their job without everyone else doing their job. It's better simple, but egotistical parasites' have to boost their egos by degrading others, and that is a shame.

Response by SrA Ronald Moore made Mar 11 at 2021 4:57 AM

SrA Ronald Moore — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 04:57:51 -0500

So you are saying that While a lot of My Vietnam Veterans Family was coming back in whatever way, And I was coming into the military regardless of The Gap Of like 6 weeks when Congress enacted law to call an end to the War, are you saying ,?it ain’t right to be called the same, but also To not be able to get the same benefits?My concern is the benefits .

Response by SrA Ronald Moore made Mar 11 at 2021 5:57 AM

SrA Ronald Moore — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 05:57:28 -0500

I say , take this whole question off the R P,cause it might cause more harm than help,

Response by SPC Ron Humphries made Mar 11 at 2021 8:17 AM

SPC Ron Humphries — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:17:56 -0500

No! There orders were to report to )destination). If they said Vietnam then yes. But lets say their order said Germany. How in the heck could they be considered Vietnam vets when they were in Germany. Give me a break,

Response by SPC Tracy Lee made Mar 11 at 2021 10:10 AM

SPC Tracy Lee — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:10:34 -0500

You served during the time frame era don’t feel neg about it

Response by LCpl Michael J. Stokes made Mar 11 at 2021 10:51 AM

LCpl Michael J. Stokes — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:51:49 -0500

I was stationed in PI, Cubi Point, Marine Barracks.71 and 72 guarding munitions for Nam. I've always identified as "Viet Nam Era".
I was never in combat and do not deserve the honor of "Viet Nam Vet"!

Response by SrA Raymond Geraghty made Mar 11 at 2021 11:37 AM

SrA Raymond Geraghty — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 11:37:03 -0500

We didn't distinguish between vets during ww2. Guys overseas vs those who stayed stateside were are still ww2 vets. We do have combat vs non combat. Why not same for us. I said yes Togo to Nam, but went to Germany. Not my fault. Why hold it against me. Now I do hold those in country guys above myself, but I figure that separation between family not outsiders

Response by SGT Russ Zielinski made Mar 11 at 2021 11:41 AM

SGT Russ Zielinski — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 11:41:24 -0500

I served in Vietnam from 68-70, I carried A rifle ,and everything else I needed on my back, I was shot at, by small arms, RPG's,recived rocket and mortar fire. I didn't have three hots and a cot. I saw my brothers die horrible deaths by booby traps, land mines. I have seen personally, the horrors of the Vietnam War, and it really boiles my blood, when someone who was never there, tryes to pass themselves off as a Vietnam vet. Including citizens that never served one day in the military. Only those that were there should be call e Vietnam vets. I am not saying those that didn't serve in Nam shouldn't be proud of thier service, you were doing your part by setving your country, and your service is also appreciated. But please if you sent in Nam don't call yourself a Vietnam veteran.
Thank you all for your service.

Response by GySgt Lawrence Watson made Mar 11 at 2021 12:34 PM

GySgt Lawrence Watson — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 12:34:21 -0500

Yes. I volunteered and was not sent. However, I was in the military and we did support the troops who were there.

Response by Sgt Charles Crabb made Mar 11 at 2021 1:53 PM

Sgt Charles Crabb — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 13:53:35 -0500

I don't think that we want to get too wrapped around the axle with terminology. The term, "Vietnam Era Veteran" is well understood. I mean, if you are applying for benefits, you know what it means. The VA has a definite, necessary, meaning for the term.

It gets emotional when we refer to those who served in country as opposed to those who did not. Combat regiments are about a fifth of the total service population. They take a lot of support, and there is gray area in that large population as to the relation of any one of its members to the veterans of actual combat. As others have posted here, we all served.

Sometimes the term "Vietnam Vet" might be used as a contraction for "Vietnam Era Vet". And, there is an understanding of what individual members of the service did during the Vietnam Era. If one was working in intelligence in Europe during that time, clearly that's not in a bunker in Khe Sanh. I was flying *into* Vietnam and also flying into a country that we weren't even officially *in*, but I was not on the ground, other than to drop off materiel. We *did* take some rounds. But those in ground combat had it way rougher than we did.

I think the term "Vietnam Vet" comes with its restrictions of use. When one refers to combat veterans of that era, he or she knows that. We are known for what we *did*; there is no one word that describes that total experience.

The best way that we can address this issue is to tell people what we did. The stress of combat is not known from the word we use to refer to it, it's known for what it is, and those who do not understand it, which is itself understandable, won't know what it is from using a term for it.

Response by SGM William Church made Mar 11 at 2021 4:23 PM

SGM William Church — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 16:23:40 -0500

Vietnam Vets for those who served in-country during that period.
Vietnam Era for those who were on active duty during that period.

Response by SP6 Jack Moore made Mar 11 at 2021 5:29 PM

SP6 Jack Moore — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:29:11 -0500

There's a difference between a "Vietnam Era Veteran" and a "Vietnam Veteran." I was a Vietnam Vet and darn proud of it. MOS 11Bravo.

Response by PO1 Carmelo Trigona made Mar 11 at 2021 6:58 PM

PO1 Carmelo Trigona — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 18:58:36 -0500

I served in VietNam 65 and 66. I consider myself a Vietnam vet, boots on the ground. guys that did not actually serve in Vietnam, can be called "Vietnam era vets"if they were active duty during the Vietnam war

Response by SGT Robert Dunphy made Mar 12 at 2021 11:59 AM

SGT Robert Dunphy — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:59:34 -0500

Being a 11b in nam there no comparison to being a Vietnam era vet as we used to say if you walked the walk you can talk the talk

Response by PO1 Paul Vernon made Mar 12 at 2021 12:10 PM

PO1 Paul Vernon — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 12:10:34 -0500

I’m a Gulf war vet. I’m a retired sailor who was in theater, yes on a ship, but in theater. I’m a Gulf war vet. My father was KIA, Phu bai 1967. He was a Vietnam vet. If you served during the conflict, but not in a combat zone or even close to theater, you are a Vietnam Era vet

Response by Sgt Terry Rizzuti made Mar 12 at 2021 1:02 PM

Sgt Terry Rizzuti — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:02:24 -0500

I think those of us who are Vietnam Vets know we are Vietnam Vets, those that Vietnam-era Vets know they are Vietnam-era Vets and those that are wannabes are wannabes.

Response by SSgt Steve Moots made Mar 12 at 2021 2:26 PM

SSgt Steve Moots — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 14:26:10 -0500

Yes

Response by COL Robert Naborney made Mar 12 at 2021 3:20 PM

COL Robert Naborney — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:20:34 -0500

No, I served from 1970 to 1999. I always refer to myself as a Vietnam Era vet as I did not serve in-country

Response by PO2 Ron Jung made Mar 12 at 2021 4:03 PM

PO2 Ron Jung — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 16:03:21 -0500

I don't think so because it detracts from those of us who actually served in Viet Nam.
It's misleading to call someone a Viet Nam vet just because they served during the
Viet Nam era and not actually in Viet Nam itself. I proudly served in the Navy from 9/67
to 8/69 and spent 23 months in country.

Response by PO3 David Keck made Mar 12 at 2021 5:16 PM

PO3 David Keck — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:16:47 -0500

I am one of those vietnam-era guys. I don't call myself a Vietnam vet because I did not do time in Country. My brother Clyde and several cousins did do tours in South Vietnam. I was just a guy on a ship at the very tail end when South Vietnam fell but for the purpose of membership the American Legion calls us all vets

Response by SN James MacKay made Mar 12 at 2021 6:06 PM

SN James MacKay — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:06:08 -0500

I was in the Navy, from "59-"62, so I'm a Viet Nam Era Vet, Since the closest I ever got to Nam, was Kingston, Jamaica I would hardy consider myself a Viet Nam Veteran. That title should be reserved for the personnel that were actually in theater. In fact, I just refer to myself as a Veteran, and don't even mention the era during which I served.

Response by SPC Michael Tierney made Mar 12 at 2021 7:53 PM

SPC Michael Tierney — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 19:53:08 -0500

Not necessarily. However, in WWII every vet regardless of where they served was referred to as a World War II vet. If someone calls you a Vietnam Vet and you don't like it, correct them and define your service as you wish.

Response by PFC Thomas Drisdale made Mar 12 at 2021 11:39 PM

PFC Thomas Drisdale — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 23:39:50 -0500

I served from1966 to 1968 was drafted. I never refer to myself as a Vietnam vet as that would show disrespect for all who lost their lives over there. I lost a lot of my friends there. I am however a Veitnam ERA vet and proud to have served. I wear a Vietnam ERA hat with pride as a reminder to all who served. I went where I was sent by the Army I had no choice in it.

Response by PO2 Richard Robison made Mar 13 at 2021 12:40 AM

PO2 Richard Robison — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 00:40:09 -0500

Ok, I consider myself a Vietnam Combat Vet after two tours earning combat pay each time.

Response by MSgt George Murray made Mar 13 at 2021 5:24 AM

MSgt George Murray — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 05:24:21 -0500

There are two distinct points here. Vietnam era vets and Vietnam Vets. Anyone serving during the war years are considered "ERA Vets". Now if you were in Vietnam for any length of time you are considered "Vietnam Vets". Many of us came under fire while serving there. I was lucky, I was there twice, once in 1973 to work with the Army in rebuilding runways and the other time I was there for the Saigon pullout in April of 75 which was not a pretty picture. So all in all, yes there is a distinction between the two groups.

Response by 1SG William Galeener made Mar 13 at 2021 6:10 AM

1SG William Galeener — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 06:10:48 -0500

Most of the time it’s referred to as Vietnam Era .

Response by 1SG William Galeener made Mar 13 at 2021 6:24 AM

1SG William Galeener — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 06:24:11 -0500

I am a “Retired Veteran”, I did not go to Vietnam but I served during that time, I went where I was ordered to go. I am proud to have served but I do not claim anything other than what I did. I respect every Veteran period. Depending on the needs of the Military is where you go. You can volunteer but it does not mean you will be selected to go.

Response by PO3 Craig Zilly made Mar 13 at 2021 8:18 AM

PO3 Craig Zilly — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:18:09 -0500

I served in the Navy from 66-70. I do not consider myself a Viet Nam Vet as the close I got to the war was lying on beach on Guam watching B52's return from bombing runs. I am proud of my service and always served in the Pacific. Oddly the only time called a baby killer was returning from Australia we had overnight in Christchurch NZ. We were in uniform and one Kiwi hollered at us because one of the guys was on crutches and he thought he got injured in the war. He was recovering from a motorcycle accident. Nothing pisses me off more than those guilty of Stolen Honor like Senator Blumenthal.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 13 at 2021 11:10 AM

SSG Edward Tilton — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:10:38 -0500

It is easy to buy a Cap with “VIETNAM VET” on the front. It seems there are more now than 10 years ago. A VIETNAM ERA VET is not a Combat Vet

Response by SPC Harry Fletcher made Mar 13 at 2021 12:15 PM

SPC Harry Fletcher — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:15:12 -0500

I served in Germany from 61 to 64

Response by SPC Edward Schroeder made Mar 13 at 2021 2:00 PM

SPC Edward Schroeder — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:00:15 -0500

I, also served in Germany from 61 to 63. Vietnam was just getting started at that time. In July of 63, they were asking for volunteers to go to Vietnam as "Advisors". I Volunteered, but I was due to get out in November and was told that I would need to extend for a year to be able to go to Vietnam. I didn't do that
I was in Germany during the Berlin Crisis (putting up the wall) and the Cuban Crisis. (The Blockade).
I feel that a Veteran is a Veteran, no matter where they served.

Response by 1LT Neal Schwartz made Mar 13 at 2021 2:24 PM

1LT Neal Schwartz — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:24:33 -0500

There are Medals and Ribbons for that. Vietnam Service Ribbon/Medal for those in service during Vietnam, and Vietnam Campaign Ribbon/Medal for those that supported operations IN Vietnam. The Campaign Ribbon had attachments depending on how many campaigns were included during in country service.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2021 4:19 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 16:19:31 -0500

The term Vietnam Era Veteran describes the time the person served not the country they served in. My best friend served his time in Germany and I sure as heck don't think less of him than others.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2021 5:04 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 17:04:05 -0500

In my opinion they should be called brother or sister that's about it

Response by MSgt Wes Tracy made Mar 14 at 2021 1:09 PM

MSgt Wes Tracy — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:09:31 -0400

I enlisted in the summer of '73, when the end was already in sight, so I was a Vietnam Era vet, but whenever anyone asks me if I'm a Vietnam vet (because of my age or years of service), I always clarify that I was a Vietnam ERA vet and never served in that theater. I have a great deal of respect for those that served IN Vietnam and would prefer not to blend that honor with folks like me. BUT... I still respect everyone that served honorably regardless if they are a Vietnam vet or not.

Response by PO2 Robert Kidder made Mar 14 at 2021 1:28 PM

PO2 Robert Kidder — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:28:49 -0400

NO!!!!!!

Response by SFC William Shaw made Mar 14 at 2021 1:58 PM

SFC William Shaw — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:58:07 -0400

I had served in the military that period too, stationed by the DMZ in Korea. 1974-1978.
We were never called the “baby killer”. We obey and carry out our orders.

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made Mar 14 at 2021 8:07 PM

PO1 William Van Syckle — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 20:07:27 -0400

WWII Era veterans are addressed as WWII Vets. Korean War Era veterans are addressed as Korean War Vets. You address them as you see fit. I myself will address them as Vietnam Veterans. They served where they were told to serve. They didn’t have a choice. I know I didn’t have a choice when I was in the Army. I put in my “Dream Sheet” like everybody else did and was sent where the Army told me to go. It’s as easy as that.....

Response by PO1 Don Rowan made Mar 15 at 2021 9:34 AM

PO1 Don Rowan — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 09:34:23 -0400

No.

Response by SN Gerald Carney made Mar 16 at 2021 1:07 PM

SN Gerald Carney — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:07:12 -0400

What about those who served in thailand, whose duties were in "direct Support" ..

Response by CPO Michael Hatten made Mar 19 at 2021 12:29 AM

CPO Michael Hatten — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 00:29:59 -0400

Viet Nam Vets have Viet Nam Service and Viet Nam Campaign medals to recognize their service.

Response by SPC George Holz made Mar 19 at 2021 10:01 AM

SPC George Holz — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:01:54 -0400

Only those actively serving in Vietnam should be called Vietnam vets. I served in Thailand 68-69 and the Pentagon considers me a Vietnam vet, I do not. I was awarded the Vietnam ribbons just as those in Vietnam. We were in the theater of the war but not in the combat zone.

Response by MSgt W. Michael Boe made Mar 22 at 2021 3:05 PM

MSgt W. Michael Boe — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 15:05:08 -0400

... I served in the Air Force for 25 years ... I retired as a Master Sergeant ... I had orders to Viet Nam three times as a communications specialist ... I was scared out of my mind ... life expectancy in the bush ?? ... ten minutes ... take out communications first ... but my younger brother was stationed there as a Marine ... he was in-country for two and a half years ... he invoked the "Sullivan Act" so I wouldn't have to go ... I never did ... I was lucky ... having said that ... I am a Viet Nam ERA veteran ... there's no shame in that ... peace ...

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 26 at 2021 4:36 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:36:37 -0400

They bought a hat

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made Apr 6 at 2021 5:05 PM

LTC Charles Patchin — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 17:05:38 -0400

Everybody in uniform had the chance of being assigned to Vietnam.. Some wanted to go and didn't, some didn't want to go and did. All share the time frame of Vietnam. All are Vietnam veterans and they may or may not differentiate themselves. It's their choice.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Apr 7 at 2021 12:27 PM

SSG Ralph Watkins — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 12:27:16 -0400

Oh hell no. While many of these people served honorably in cushy assignments, they just weren't there. Period. I went to a PTSD support group & we had such a person show up. Vietnam Era Vet. He was stationed in Germany for 18 months. His PTSD was from the DI being mean to him in basic, his boots giving him blisters, & how he was miserable in Germany for all that time. Pathetic. The rest of us "been there, done that" vets told him he needed to GTFO of our group. The VA social worker told us real combat vets that we were pricks. Yes, yes we are b/c we earned it.

Response by SGT Tom Callahan made Apr 7 at 2021 4:27 PM

SGT Tom Callahan — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 16:27:03 -0400

Not just no, but hell no. I was in the Army from 72-75 in Germany. I served alongside so many Viet vets and they all had one thing in common, they all wore their CIB's with pride. Nothing like the John Kerry's of the era who couldn't resist throwing their medals away in front of the tv cameras. I will always respect the in-country vets who went and tried their level best to do what they could under the most difficult of situations.

Response by MSG Donald Patrick made Apr 8 at 2021 5:36 AM

MSG Donald Patrick — Thu, 08 Apr 2021 05:36:18 -0400

I suspect it is a mute point. Having served several tours in Nam, I’ve never been addressed as a Vietnam Vet. In this particular time in age, I’d hope we did nothing to cause any further division among vets. We all know who we are, that all that counts. ... but don’t get me wrong, I certainly will be the first to salute those who served in Nam. ‘All gave some, some gave all.’

Response by A1C Perry Miller made Apr 8 at 2021 8:02 AM

A1C Perry Miller — Thu, 08 Apr 2021 08:02:32 -0400

I was an Air Force Medical Corpsman 1963-1967. I was stationed in Spain 12-64 to 1-67. We saw a few wounded Navy personnel in our USAF Hospital. A friend & fellow medic went to 'Nam & was killed there. I suppose all of us were technically liable to go to 'Nam but it "cheapens" my friends death there if I claimed to be a Viet Nam Vet. What's wrong with calling us Viet Nam Era vets?

Response by SFC William Fowle made Apr 8 at 2021 11:46 AM

SFC William Fowle — Thu, 08 Apr 2021 11:46:28 -0400

Only Vets that served in Vietnam are actual Vietnam vets, all others of that time are Vietnam era vets. I go by the same definition as the VFW does, service in country, as defined by the federal government, is the deciding factor.

Response by MSgt Angel Fontanez made Apr 8 at 2021 2:30 PM

MSgt Angel Fontanez — Thu, 08 Apr 2021 14:30:15 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era vet and was stationed at Camp Pendleton after boot camp. My Mos was Supply and I was tasked to put tents returning from Vietnam, which had a yellow residue on them that I recalled it irritated my arms and was very itchy. In 2003 I had an unexpected thyroid goiter grow by my left lung, and in 2011 an unexpected lung disease in which I was never a smoker. I've had blood test that showed antigens of agent orange. But since I was never in Vietnam I have no case for any claims. No I was never in Vietnam but I did handled the tents that were going to disposal.

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made Apr 8 at 2021 7:09 PM

SSG Norbert Johnson — Thu, 08 Apr 2021 19:09:43 -0400

Address them as Wartime Veterans, or Vietnam ERA Veterans and you will be respectful to both sides of the coin. Validation of Wartime is the NDSM (National Defense Service Medal). Validation of the Vietnam Era is the DD214 which establishes their Service. If a Member of the American Legion, you are a Wartime Veteran. If in the VFW, it establishes in country service (theater of war).

Response by LCDR Doug Pratt made Apr 9 at 2021 11:06 AM

LCDR Doug Pratt — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 11:06:16 -0400

I am a veteran from the 70s I do not consider myself a Vietnam vet. I was a Navy computer tech. I was not going to be boots on the ground. I always stop and thank all Vets but especially the Vietnam Vets who were on the ground, who endured the hardships.

Response by LCDR Doug Pratt made Apr 9 at 2021 11:07 AM

LCDR Doug Pratt — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 11:07:26 -0400

Response by SFC Howard Thompson made Apr 9 at 2021 11:43 AM

SFC Howard Thompson — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 11:43:19 -0400

I agree with CPT Jack Durish, if you served in the military during the Vietnam conflict and were stationed anywhere but in country in Vietnam you should be considered a Vietnam Era Veteran, only those who served "Boots on the Ground" in country in Vietnam are Vietnam Veterans.

Response by Cpl Jim Davison made Apr 9 at 2021 1:21 PM

Cpl Jim Davison — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 13:21:52 -0400

I was Drafted in 1968 and spent over 16 months in Viet nan

Response by PFC Robert Ennis made Apr 9 at 2021 1:55 PM

PFC Robert Ennis — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 13:55:29 -0400

My husband served 3rd Force Recon. Wounded on his second tour by 3 hand grenades. He still deals with both physical and mental wounds, not all in we’re received in country. Those who served and those who died while “fighting” deserve that title. No one else

Response by SgtMaj Billy Zinnerman made Apr 9 at 2021 5:01 PM

SgtMaj Billy Zinnerman — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 17:01:59 -0400

I don't always refer to a Vietnam Veteran as such. I just say Thank you!!!

Response by MAJ Alex Hernandez made Apr 9 at 2021 9:52 PM

MAJ Alex Hernandez — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 21:52:23 -0400

Era vets are just that. To elevate them to the status of an in-country vet that took part in combat operations lessens the reality of the combat experiences and the traumas endured.

Response by PFC Thomas Heine made Apr 10 at 2021 6:44 AM

PFC Thomas Heine — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 06:44:25 -0400

Boots on the ground should be the only ones considered as Vietnam Vets. My reasoning being they were subjected to the agent orange and or the disability’s. Those that were subject to maybe going do have every right to be considered for such as being classed Vietnam Era . They still did their duty they were still prepared to fulfill the assignment and did catch grief at the the time. HATS OFF ALL THAT SERVE, but you don’t get a medal for something you didn’t do.

Response by SSG Timothy Hertenstein made Apr 10 at 2021 8:04 AM

SSG Timothy Hertenstein — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 08:04:53 -0400

I did My time in Vietnam, PROUD to be called a Vietnam Vet!!

Response by SPC Paul Harrington made Apr 10 at 2021 10:35 AM

SPC Paul Harrington — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 10:35:47 -0400

If I’m not mistaken, the DoD categorizes those who served during the period of the Vietnam conflict as “Vietnam era Veterans”. I do refer to myself as a Vietnam vet due to my time there from 1968-1970. DoD awarded me a pin and certificate recently commemorating my service and extending thanks. That and my ribbons and awards are enough for me.

Response by PO3 Michael Roberts made Apr 10 at 2021 12:46 PM

PO3 Michael Roberts — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:46:07 -0400

If you were not in the Nam you are not a Nam vet

Response by SFC Charles Rice made Apr 10 at 2021 10:32 PM

SFC Charles Rice — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 22:32:21 -0400

No. Unless you were in country, you are not a Vietnam vet. Maybe we could call them a Vietnam era vet.

Response by CW3 Charles Morris made Apr 10 at 2021 11:50 PM

CW3 Charles Morris — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 23:50:16 -0400

I was a Vietnam Era veteran, I did not serve in the Vietnam. For me to claim otherwise would be a lie and it'd give those who served in Vietnam a serious case of butt hurt.

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made Apr 11 at 2021 12:59 PM

CWO3 Robert Fong — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 12:59:04 -0400

Well, here's the real deal on this. If you were in-country then you're a Vietnam Vet; however, if you were in the service, but not in-country then you're a Vietnam Era Veteran (VA definition). I served in DS/DS and a Desert Storm vet is one who was in-country. Frankly, this is really common sense. One can't be a vet of something you were not involved with.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2021 3:29 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 15:29:53 -0400

My opinion is similar to others: no. They are not Vietnam Vets if they didn’t serve there.

That said, I believe it is up to Vietnam Vets and their families to decide this question. I would respect and honor it either way.

Response by LCpl Dana Morgan made Apr 11 at 2021 4:18 PM

LCpl Dana Morgan — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 16:18:22 -0400

No they are not Vietnam Vets. No boots on the ground or in surrounding water ways. Seems simple to me. Era Vets get the same benefits but there is a distinction and it should not be blurred. Just like today, not everyone served in Iraq or Afghanistan. But those same Vets get the same benefits as combat vets.

Response by 1LT James Rosebrough made Apr 11 at 2021 6:44 PM

1LT James Rosebrough — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 18:44:02 -0400

Vietnam service is unique!

Response by SGT David Schrader made Apr 11 at 2021 8:13 PM

SGT David Schrader — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 20:13:47 -0400

I also served Germany during the Viet Nam war.
I had two brothers that served in Vietnam . Thank goodness they came. My cousin was not so lucky.
I personally do NOT feel that it is appropriate for me or any other Vietnam era Veterans that did not serve in Vietnam to be considered Vietnam war Veterans.
It would be a great dishonor to the troops that actually served in Vietnam and to the troops that never made it home.
I will always support Vietnam War Veterans and fly the POW/MIA flag. It is an honor for me to do so.

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made Apr 11 at 2021 8:53 PM

SGT Tim Tobin — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 20:53:49 -0400

We have had this discussion before. I was in the Army 1970 till 1980. I never call myself a Vietnam Vet nor do I call myself a Vietnam era vet. All I say is I’m an Army vet. Civilians don’t get it, and if a fellow vet wants to know the details of my service we can sit down ad swap stories over a cold drink. I was actually a Cold War vet because my first hitch was controlling the nuclear weapon sites in Europe. Imagine that a 19 year old able to control the communications system of the nuclear arsenal in Europe!!
Let’s just put this to bed and support each other as vets and the hell with all the titles!!

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Apr 11 at 2021 11:12 PM

LCDR Mike Morrissey — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 23:12:32 -0400

So this post pops up 6 yrs after first posted. Guess the issue is still there?

That said, the VA recognizes Veterans in general and segments out Vietnam Vets as those who served in or over the designated geographic area. This is not unlike the other conflicts. WWII was a bit different as military and naval forces served all over and many in multiple theaters.

As one who served in-country Vietnam (riverine combat) and also on blue water ships in the designated areas, I am a Vietnam vet. My wife, also active duty Navy during those years, would NEVER refer to herself as a Vietnam vet. Later, she did serve in the Desert Storm theater and is a DS vet and proud of her service but hasn’t seen the equivalent Vietnam issue. Those who were on active duty at that time, but not in theater at anytime, are certainly NOT DS vets.

Frankly the term Cold War vet puzzles me. Anybody on active duty qualified for that. However most never faced a gun barrel but we came real close to having it out in a publicly unreported incident with a Cuban gunboat while intelligence gathering off Cienfuegos at 0200 in 1970.

Response by CPT William Jones made Apr 12 at 2021 9:18 AM

CPT William Jones — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:18:40 -0400

I served in Conus, RVN, and Germany. I don’t think there is any problem in Vietnam era vets title for people that didn’t go to SEA. Yes you should be proud of your service and we go where sent. You were deployed as is anyone that is sent out of Conus. And it takes every one from cooks and clerk and people all over the world doing their job to complete the missions assigned

Response by 1SG Frank Lafferty made Apr 12 at 2021 1:49 PM

1SG Frank Lafferty — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 13:49:06 -0400

No!

Response by Cpl Steve Kovalchik made Apr 12 at 2021 3:12 PM

Cpl Steve Kovalchik — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 15:12:49 -0400

Yes there is a difference! I served during that time but was kept stateside for my whole enlistment, 1974-1978. I let people know when they ask me. I welcome you all home and give credit to you guys and ladies who served over there. Because of you all, I feel the attitude of our country has benn turned around to make sure our current military get the love,support and welcome home that you guys didn’t get. My heart truly goes out to you all and am honored to have served. There are times I am moved to tears when someone thanks me for my service because I know it was not popular to be recognized for serving. What a transition from WW2 and Korea! Thanks again guys and ladies who truly served in Vietnam and welcome home! SemperFi!

Response by SP5 Michael Cates made Apr 12 at 2021 4:52 PM

SP5 Michael Cates — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 16:52:57 -0400

Wow! I went back to Vietnam for my 2nd TOUR OF DUTY in '17! The first time it was for my Country and the Vietnamese People! My 2nd TOUR was for my Brothers/Friends that I left behind! If you are interested in what I found let me know! Oh have you ever heard of the DOMINO THEORY???? I hope the person that use to preach that back then is still alive and able to gently say "I told you so"! Sp/5 Cates '67-'68 TET 1/14th Artillery Hdqt's Btry. 198th Briggade Americal I Core

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2021 8:50 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 20:50:48 -0400

No...just in the same way that SM''s who have served since 2001 through today but never were deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq, Djibouti, the Philippines, etc., can't be referred to as vets of OIF or OEF.

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Apr 12 at 2021 10:49 PM

MAJ Steve Daugherty — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 22:49:46 -0400

Anyone who served in the military anywhere during WWII was considered a war veteran but that was a universal conflict. I have always been uncomfortable being called a a Vietnam veteran having never actually set foot on Vietnamese soil, though I got to share in some of the abuse bestowed upon my brothers in arms . I look at that as an honor.

Response by PO3 Bob Stark made Apr 14 at 2021 5:45 PM

PO3 Bob Stark — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:45:45 -0400

USN enlisted in 69 at 17 needed parental permission Arrived in Tonkin Gulf April 13 1972 spent next 74 days on Station outside of Haiphong then 30 day line periods thru November . Then went back in 73 Now 49 yrs Later still the same old BS your not a real vet because you were not boots on the ground ... bet not a one of the guys who sell that story turned down NGFS and Naval/USAF air support .if you were collecting combat pay your a Vietnam Vet my Brother was sent to NATO he is a Vietnam era Vet its that simple

Response by SPC Henry Francis made Apr 14 at 2021 7:43 PM

SPC Henry Francis — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 19:43:05 -0400

I served State side and have never considered myself a Vietnam Vet. I always make it clear that I am a Vietnam Era Vet and even though my MOS was 11B2P I am not a combat vet; however, I am rather proud that I earned the EIB.

Response by SGT Nick Laurino made Apr 15 at 2021 7:47 AM

SGT Nick Laurino — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 07:47:21 -0400

I believe they should be addressed as Era vets. Only those with boots on the ground, can be considered as Vietnam Vets, since they were actually there. I am not taking away the fact that anyone in uniform at the time, did not serve proudly, but there are some things that should distinguish, those that had their lives placed in immediate danger, such in an actual war zone. Just my thoughts.

Response by SN Charles Weinacker made Apr 15 at 2021 10:08 AM

SN Charles Weinacker — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:08:12 -0400

Who gives a shit...I fought in Nam 68-69/Tet...and those same communist are right here in USA now...leader China Joe/communist

Response by SPC Bryan Gustafson made Apr 16 at 2021 11:46 AM

SPC Bryan Gustafson — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:46:15 -0400

They are Vietnam era vet and then there are Vietnam vets who served in country. I served during the cold war and there was still a sizable amount of active duty Army personnel who had served in Vietnam. Not one of them ever voiced any objection to being referred to as a "Vietnam vet". Additionally, periodicaIly I have had occasion to engage Vietnam vets in conversation about their service and none of those I have spoken to have verbalized that they took issue with being characterized as Vietnam vets.

Response by PO3 Mitchell Smith made Apr 16 at 2021 12:46 PM

PO3 Mitchell Smith — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:46:51 -0400

Yes I think if you served during that time you certainly stood the chance of going 'in country' if you held certain MOSs. It was a crap shoot as to whether you got orders to go. Yes I think we should be thought of that way as we were available and ready!!

Response by SP5 Mark Welch made Apr 16 at 2021 2:10 PM

SP5 Mark Welch — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 14:10:27 -0400

I served in MI in Germany 68-70 as an interrogator who could have easily been sent to Nam, but because I spoke German went to Europe. I have always thought of myself as a Cold War Vet instead of Vietnam Vet and refer to myself accordingly. Thanks to all you combat vets who did the heavy lifting! The rest of us signed a blank check with Uncle Sam (I volunteered for the draft) but some of us got lucky...
SP5 Mark Welch

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Apr 17 at 2021 10:33 AM

PO1 Mike Wallace — Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:33:25 -0400

No. Though those people could have gotten orders to Vietnam and I presume all would have served there, they weren't there. That is not meant to diminish their service in any way, but neither should our serving in Vietnam be diminished in any way to include such generalities.

Response by SGT Walter Franklin made Apr 17 at 2021 1:06 PM

SGT Walter Franklin — Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:06:01 -0400

This is a ridiculous question with a simple answer. You cannot be a Vietnam Vet unless you served in Vietnam. Its a been there done that type of thing. If you ain't been there - you ain't done it. This question is also a somewhat aggravating and a bit offensive to anybody who served in Vietnam; I been there. 101st Airborne (Airmobile) "11B40" Mostly in the "A Shau Valley".

Response by SPC Robert Hendrickson made Apr 17 at 2021 11:37 PM

SPC Robert Hendrickson — Sat, 17 Apr 2021 23:37:56 -0400

if a SM male or female served honorably in the Vietnam theatre, then he or she should be considered a Vietnam Veteran cadre

Response by 1LT Diehl Jones made Apr 18 at 2021 10:25 PM

1LT Diehl Jones — Sun, 18 Apr 2021 22:25:48 -0400

My orders to Viet Nam were rescinded 14 before my trip to jungle school. This was about April, 1972. To be truthful, I wasn’t disappointed.

Response by CPO John Drude made Apr 19 at 2021 4:53 PM

CPO John Drude — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 16:53:57 -0400

I Made 3 Vietnam cruises & my ship"Ranger" was in on the very first bombing of the North. I Made 2 more Nam cruises. Never saw combat yet drew about 1 year combat pay total AM I a Vietnam Vet?

Response by SSgt Robert Van Buhler III made Apr 19 at 2021 5:47 PM

SSgt Robert Van Buhler III — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:47:05 -0400

I served in SEA during the late 60s, but I don't consider myself a Vietnam vet, like a friend of mine who took 3 bullets and survived during the Tet offensive, or another who died a painful death 9 years later from Agent Orange exposure. No service in country, you are not a Viet Vet. To me claiming that status would be like slapping a Ranger patch or trident on my jacket, for which I would deserve to get my arse kicked. And I didn't like the reception I got when I came home to SFO either. The first assumption of many people was I was mentally deficient in some way for doing my duty to my country. That included insults and disrespect for my uniform that I resent to this day.

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Apr 19 at 2021 9:42 PM

SPC Franklin McKown — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 21:42:44 -0400

"Sir" works for officers AND my elders..

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Apr 19 at 2021 9:44 PM

SPC Franklin McKown — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 21:44:14 -0400

"Sir" works for officers AND elders. Indeed I am VERY thankful for my Stetson

Response by MSgt Ted C Hall made Apr 20 at 2021 10:48 AM

MSgt Ted C Hall — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:48:39 -0400

I'm happy with "Vietnam Era"... the guy next to me in tech school went DDA to Vietnam, and my Squadron was sitting in a C141 when our orders. there were cancled.
Since my whole carrer was insuring that aircraft carrying bullets, beans, and mail knew where they were in the sky and landed safely with 200 souls aboard on dark and stormy nights... I feel I did my part.

Response by LCpl Marty Hiles made Apr 23 at 2021 7:08 PM

LCpl Marty Hiles — Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:08:26 -0400

Yes, ever heard of a WWII era vet? Anyone in the military could have been sent to war. You sign the contract to serve knowing you may go to war. Using Era Vietnam Veteran was a way for the Government to divide Vietnam Vets, so as to deny some benefits to Era vets. Every American war the veterans come home and have to demand their medical benefits.

Response by CPO Charles Helms made Apr 25 at 2021 4:28 PM

CPO Charles Helms — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:28:09 -0400

I consider myself a Vietnam Era Veteran, but I also did receive the same treatment that those who served in country did! I was spit on by people in my hometown and called baby killer if I wore my dress blues out in public! So even though I didn't serve in country that is the reason I consider myself a Vietnam Era Veteran!

Response by MAJ Van Chase made Apr 27 at 2021 9:04 AM

MAJ Van Chase — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 09:04:49 -0400

The real question is what have we done during previous wars. Are WWI, WWII and Korean War veterans just those who served in country? I personally served as an Infantrymen during that time period. We are 50 years since the war ended. We are just Vietnam veterans. The Department of Defense says so. This current generation will be Gulf War and Afgan War veterans.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2021 5:58 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:58:26 -0400

Absolutely not. Serving in an active war zone is worlds apart from just being in the military while a war is going on. You either went or you didn't and no matter how the ignorant civilian population treats us, WE KNOW how different the two are.

Response by A1C Grant Fisk made Apr 28 at 2021 4:50 PM

A1C Grant Fisk — Wed, 28 Apr 2021 16:50:52 -0400

Personally, I am what is considered to be a Vietnam “Era” Vet. I get uncomfortable when I’m addressed as such. I was Delayed Enlistment in October of 1974 and Sworn In Active Duty on 8 Jan 1975. Veterans Enlisted prior to May 1975 are Classified as “Era” Veterans. My complete and utmost Respect goes to every Veteran, but more so to WWII, Korean War and true Vietnam Veterans wherever I go, especially at the VA Hospitals and Clinics.

Response by SrA David Benjamin made May 1 at 2021 7:33 PM

SrA David Benjamin — Sat, 01 May 2021 19:33:07 -0400

So I guess Air Force vets don t count because we didn t get dirty. I don t claim to be a Vietnam Vet even thou I was 28000 ft above it in my C130. Somebody had to bring you and your stuff there.

Response by Sgt Ed O'Neal made May 1 at 2021 8:42 PM

Sgt Ed O'Neal — Sat, 01 May 2021 20:42:51 -0400

I served in West Pakistan during the Viet Nam war. I know our mission directly supported the war effort. Therefore I am a Viet Nam veteran.

Response by PFC Stephen Trynosky made May 2 at 2021 8:19 PM

PFC Stephen Trynosky — Sun, 02 May 2021 20:19:07 -0400

I agree. I never left Missouri and often tell people not one damned VC ever crossed the Mississippi while I was on watch.

Response by SMSgt Carlos Arevalo made May 3 at 2021 6:06 PM

SMSgt Carlos Arevalo — Mon, 03 May 2021 18:06:38 -0400

Has “I’m a combat vet” changed? I’ll stay with Veteran

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made May 7 at 2021 10:00 AM

SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM — Fri, 07 May 2021 10:00:21 -0400

I never went to 'Nam, but TWICE came down on levy to go. Both times I was removed because I was on hold for higher priority "special assignments". Obviously the Army etc. did not consider Vietnam the most important thing going on. So while many went to 'Nam, some of us ended up elsewhere because it was more important that we be there rather than 'Nam. I'd have gone wherever they sent me, it mattered not.

Response by 1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel made May 7 at 2021 1:12 PM

1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel — Fri, 07 May 2021 13:12:24 -0400

’m a Vietnam Era vet, as well. I served 1971-75 and then a bunch of AF Reserve time and some Navy Reserve time too. Was almost a Desert Storm vet, but I left my unit and went individual…my unit went to England to receive casualties in an Air Force Contingency Hospital. Even though I had a preliminary notice that orders to Vietnam were coming in 1973, the draw down caused the orders to be cancelled. I am a Vietnam Era, and maybe a Desert Storm Era (HA, what, a week and a half?)

I am proud of my service armed with a mean set of bandage shears, some scalpels and IV catheters…and a bunch of IV fluids! they never invaded from Mexico when I served in Southern Arizona, so I did my duty by being very ready!

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made May 8 at 2021 7:25 AM

Cpl Vic Burk — Sat, 08 May 2021 07:25:24 -0400

Short simple answer - Hell no! If you didn't have your boots on the ground in Vietnam, you are NOT a Vietnam Vet, period.

Response by SP5 Thomas Jameson made May 19 at 2021 5:53 PM

SP5 Thomas Jameson — Wed, 19 May 2021 17:53:55 -0400

No. True Vietnam vets deserve the honor and respect fir having served in a live fire zone. My service in Turkey, Japan, and NSA don’t compare. I thank those vets for their service every day.

Response by Sgt Greg Nowark made May 19 at 2021 6:41 PM

Sgt Greg Nowark — Wed, 19 May 2021 18:41:37 -0400

So, stationed to RTAF base wasn't Vietnam Vet either? Thanks, I'll tell Bob Hope next time I see him.

Response by SPC Robert Sleasman made May 19 at 2021 6:56 PM

SPC Robert Sleasman — Wed, 19 May 2021 18:56:10 -0400

Only those who served in country should be called Vietnam Vets.

Response by SSG Merry Metzler made May 19 at 2021 10:25 PM

SSG Merry Metzler — Wed, 19 May 2021 22:25:56 -0400

My brother is a Viet Nam vet - boots on the ground, 101st Airborn, 3 tours. I am a Viet Nam-Era vet. Joined the Army in 1974, never went to Nam! It's funny cause he says it doesn't matter & I say it does! Love my big bro.

Response by MSG Bob S made May 20 at 2021 9:29 AM

MSG Bob S — Thu, 20 May 2021 09:29:42 -0400

What is this… Richard Blumenthals chat thread? Like today, if you did NOT serve in Vietnam then you are not a Vietnam War veteran. Do we call today’s veterans that didn’t serve in Afghanistan and/or Iraq war either Afghanistan or Iraq war veterans? My short answer is NO!

Response by CW2 Charles Head made May 20 at 2021 10:14 AM

CW2 Charles Head — Thu, 20 May 2021 10:14:32 -0400

Your life was not in danger. Did anyone shoot at you in Germany trying their hardest to take you out? Were you exposed to Agent Orange?
Don't be ridiculous comparing you assignment to a tour in the stinking, hot jungles of Vietnam Nam.

Response by PO3 John Hudak made May 20 at 2021 10:24 AM

PO3 John Hudak — Thu, 20 May 2021 10:24:52 -0400

Stupid topic. Do we not call WWI and WWII Veterans as such regardless of where they served?
The Veterans Administration does not distinguish in country Vietnam Veterans from the rest and neither should anyone else. To do so is demeaning to all others that served during the Vietnam years.
I joined with every intention to serve anywhere that I was needed.
The Vietnam War Commeroration Website states:
A) "Vietnam War period" or "period of the Vietnam War" vs "Vietnam era"
The phrase "Vietnam War period" is used to define the Commemoration’s inclusive dates as our nation recognizes all who served on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces at any time during the period of November 1, 1955 to May 15, 1975, regardless of duty location; and their families. No distinction is made between veterans who served in-country, in-theater, or who were stationed elsewhere during the Vietnam War period. November 1, 1955 was selected to coincide with the official designation of Military Assistance Advisory Group-Vietnam (MAAG-V), whereas May 15, 1975 marks the end of the last official battle of the Vietnam War, which was precipitated by the seizure of the SS Mayaguez.

We do NOT use "Vietnam era" in recognition of U.S. law (38 USC § 101, Definitions, line 29), which for purposes of benefits defines the “Vietnam era” as being (a) February 28, 1961 to May 7, 1975 (for veterans who served in the Republic of Vietnam during that period) or (b) August 5, 1964 to May 7, 1975 (for veterans who served outside the Republic of Vietnam during that period).
B) "Vietnam veteran" vs "Vietnam-era veteran"

In association with (A) above, the Commemoration uses the term "Vietnam veteran" to describe those who served on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces at any time during the period of November 1, 1955 to May 15, 1975, regardless of duty location.

We do NOT use the phrase "Vietnam-era veteran."

Response by PO3 Rik Cederstrom made May 20 at 2021 11:29 AM

PO3 Rik Cederstrom — Thu, 20 May 2021 11:29:44 -0400

I was drafted but served in the Navy. Whether you were drafted or volunteered, if you went to the Mekong Delta you did something that I have not much in common with. You deserve credit and honor for that. I'm not asking for that credit. I served during the VietNam Era and that's just how it was

Response by SPC Mike Essig made May 20 at 2021 3:15 PM

SPC Mike Essig — Thu, 20 May 2021 15:15:23 -0400

Yes. Many of them performed essential support functions. Mike Essig. MACVSOG. 1972

Response by SSgt James Porter made May 20 at 2021 3:58 PM

SSgt James Porter — Thu, 20 May 2021 15:58:28 -0400

Personally Vietnam Vets is just that veterans that served in theater nothing more nothing less. If one calls all servicemen/women "Vietnam Veterans' then they are also entitled to the disabilities etc we in country have, I for example am 70% service connection in country.

Response by SFC James (JD) Flemal made May 20 at 2021 9:34 PM

SFC James (JD) Flemal — Thu, 20 May 2021 21:34:35 -0400

Response by MSgt Howie Appel made May 20 at 2021 10:27 PM

MSgt Howie Appel — Thu, 20 May 2021 22:27:15 -0400

As a USAF veteran, I quickly learned (while stationed in Military Personnel, Assignments Section of CBPO at Minot AFB, ND) that most "airmen" were stationed in Thailand and not Vietnam. Many at the VFW refer to Vietnam Veterans as those who were "boots on". I was not that status. I am very comfortable with the phrase Viet Nam Era veteran. I spent my time in the cold areas wearing a parka (ND, AK, and IN) and not in hostilities.

Response by SPC Kenneth Bowles made May 21 at 2021 5:15 AM

SPC Kenneth Bowles — Fri, 21 May 2021 05:15:46 -0400

You and I were in Germany at the same time. I have never been "offended" by being called a Vietnam Era Veteran or just a vet.

Response by LTC Milton Barr made May 21 at 2021 6:49 AM

LTC Milton Barr — Fri, 21 May 2021 06:49:37 -0400

I think the status/term "Viet Nam Vets" should describe those veterans that served in the "combat theater zone there." I do feel the term/status of "Viet Nam Era Vets" is also appropriate for those that served during that timeline. Service as a Veteran "period" is the most important thing to identify.

Response by PO3 Steven Taylor made May 21 at 2021 9:46 AM

PO3 Steven Taylor — Fri, 21 May 2021 09:46:56 -0400

No, I wouldn't call someone an OIF vet if they served in Europe or Asia. I was in the Navy in the Caribbean and Mediteranian, a million miles from Vietnam. Our job was chasing Soviets, not crawling around some jungle.

Response by SPC Kenneth Reason made May 21 at 2021 1:21 PM

SPC Kenneth Reason — Fri, 21 May 2021 13:21:55 -0400

My heroes are Vietnam vets. And anyone in service to their country are Vietnam era vets. Let's not forget there were differences of opinions across our nation. But all of our service people no matter what branch of service , survived thru this era. Those that didn't make it and who have passed since should always be remembered. This I can never forget . In some ways my best friends who served in nam are the guys who made it thru the war . But are still fighting. We must honor the dead and living . What better by all era vets rembering all who served ?

Response by PO2 John Driskill made May 21 at 2021 1:38 PM

PO2 John Driskill — Fri, 21 May 2021 13:38:41 -0400

Just address me as Mr. I was serving on the USS Saratoga CV60 in the later stages of that war in the Tonkin Gulf from '72 to '73. I like my patch that reads "Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club.". So I'm a member of that.

Response by CPT Don Cox made May 22 at 2021 12:03 AM

CPT Don Cox — Sat, 22 May 2021 00:03:30 -0400

Not a hot issue with me...but I think only those who served in-country should be referred to as Vietnam Vets.....others Viet Nam Era vet.

Response by SPC Brian Ezell made May 22 at 2021 10:19 AM

SPC Brian Ezell — Sat, 22 May 2021 10:19:54 -0400

I agree with you. If you didn’t actually serve in Vietnam you are not a Vietnam veteran.

Response by MAJ Frank VansEvers made May 22 at 2021 8:54 PM

MAJ Frank VansEvers — Sat, 22 May 2021 20:54:54 -0400

personal preference, they are in my opinion

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made May 23 at 2021 1:47 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Sun, 23 May 2021 13:47:22 -0400

There was two types of Vietnam Service Awards, prior to 1965, an Armed Force Expeditionary Award was used (mine), post 1965 was the more commonly used VSM. Here is the criteria. Usually noted on your DD-214 or in your service record.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2008-title32-vol3/xml/CFR-2008-title32-vol3-sec578-26.xml

CFR-2008-title32-vol3-sec578-26.xml

(a) Criteria. The Vietnam Service Medal (VSM) was established by Executive Order 11231, July 8, 1965. It is awarded to all members of the Armed Forces of the United States serving in Vietnam and contiguous waters or airspace thereover, after July 3, 1965 through March 28, 1973. Members of the Armed Forces of the United States in Thailand, Laos, or Cambodia, or the airspace thereover, during the same period and serving in direct support of...

Response by SFC Joe Ortega made May 23 at 2021 2:33 PM

SFC Joe Ortega — Sun, 23 May 2021 14:33:16 -0400

My hat off those who served in Nam! Welcome home! To me there's a difference between those who served in Vietnam in the actual combat zone and those who served during that time somewhere else. To me Vietnam vets are those who served in Nam, and Vietnam era vets are those who served during the time the Vietnam conflict took place some where else. To me is not the same being in the combat zone and those who served far away. That is my personal opinion.

Response by PVT David Leach made May 23 at 2021 2:42 PM

PVT David Leach — Sun, 23 May 2021 14:42:53 -0400

We were all from the same mold. The front line is just as good as the last line. It was not a choice, it was an assignment, based on what was best for the effort. The vast amount of cargo for support kept the front line going. Stop the in fighting, we all took the oath of allegiance to our great nation, the USA. None of us came home to a ticker tape parade.
David Leach 1969
Army Chaplain's assistant

Response by GySgt Jack Wallace made May 23 at 2021 4:45 PM

GySgt Jack Wallace — Sun, 23 May 2021 16:45:15 -0400

yes, they are already*

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2021 6:07 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 May 2021 18:07:23 -0400

Response by Sgt Jake Middlebrook made May 23 at 2021 9:18 PM

Sgt Jake Middlebrook — Sun, 23 May 2021 21:18:57 -0400

I would only refer to a service member who actually served in Viet Nam as a Viet Nam vet. I served in the USAF in Thailand and I am certainly a South East Asia Vet. But I was not shot at. All of us from that era came home to people who called us baby burners and we were not welcome in the American Legion nor the VFW. To me that was the greatest travesty. So call me a Vet but please don't call me a Viet Nam Vet save that for people who at a minimum served in country.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2021 8:05 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 May 2021 08:05:28 -0400

I enlisted in 1997 and have served through most of our Nation's war in Afghanistan...but I've never deployed to Afghanistan.
While I can certainly be called an "OIF Veteran" or a "GWOT Veteran", I'd never try to imply to anyone that I'm a veteran of a war I didn't participate in.

Response by PO3 Noel Nichols made May 24 at 2021 8:38 AM

PO3 Noel Nichols — Mon, 24 May 2021 08:38:33 -0400

No. Only Combat Vets

Response by SPC Joe Herndon made May 24 at 2021 11:04 AM

SPC Joe Herndon — Mon, 24 May 2021 11:04:52 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era Vet, March,74-77. They were not sending anyone to Vietnam when I enlisted so I spent two and a half years in Germany drinking beer and chasing fraulines. I have 2 brothers that were sent to Vietnam in the 60’s. One was in the 173rd Airborne and saw a lot of action. He lost a leg and passed away a few years ago. The other was in the 1st AirCav and was shot down twice. To equate my service to the sacrifices that they, and all those that served tours in country made and had to endure is unacceptable. Since 9/11, do you notice that you never meet anyone that was a draft dodger, everyone claims to be a Vietnam Vet?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2021 3:08 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 May 2021 15:08:07 -0400

it's the era...all Veterans during OIF and OEF didn't serve in Iraq or Afghanistan, but they served during that period. Also, just because you may not have been in that particular theater, does not mean that you weren't doing something that direct supported the theater. People stationed in Tampa at Mac Dill were directly instrumental in the efforts that took place all over the "Central Command."

Response by SA Robert Sturgeon made May 24 at 2021 4:02 PM

SA Robert Sturgeon — Mon, 24 May 2021 16:02:31 -0400

I was stationed aboard the USS Okinawa LPH-3 during the Vietnam War.
The Okinawa was an amphibious assault ship and we made the Cambodia evacuation and then was involved in the Saigon evacuations! (Operations: Eagle Pull and Frequent Wind)
I am even in a PBS documentary "The Last Day in Vietnam"!
But! My 214 only says the ship I was stationed on and when. No mention of Vietnam at all.
So I was really upset when I was told I am NOT a Vietnam Vet but instead a Vietnam ERA vet! Which means I only served during the war, NOT necessarily IN the war!
But I and many other "Blue Water" sailors were definitely there!
The problem lies in the fact that they don't want to classify some of as Vietnam Vets so they don't have to award us Vietnam benefits!

Response by LCpl Glenn Kellar made May 24 at 2021 7:22 PM

LCpl Glenn Kellar — Mon, 24 May 2021 19:22:07 -0400

No. I am one of those guys willing to do it. 'Vietnam Vet' implies those who dodged bullets. My brother was one and ducked all the ordnance. He and his fellows deserve the title. I don't. I am a 'Vietnam-era' vet and proud of it.

Response by PO3 Gilford Wells made May 24 at 2021 8:18 PM

PO3 Gilford Wells — Mon, 24 May 2021 20:18:12 -0400

You still deserve respect and honor

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2021 9:21 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 May 2021 21:21:31 -0400

I believe anyone who fought or supported in the theater of operations can be considered a Veteran of said war. I served during the Gulf War, but was not a veteran of the Gulf War. I was given a ribbon that basically stated I was enlisted during that time period and I felt awkward wearing it even though it did not mean I served in theater. I was concerned that someone might misunderstand.
I am not ashamed of my 9 years of service(Volunteered at 17), but I never want anyone thinking I did something I did not. Uncle Sam had 9 years to send me where ever he deemed fit, but the closest I came to combat was 17 days carrying an M16 in Honduras while we were building a road, for all I can figure out was, for pot growers to get their crop to the market.
One combat flight in a c130 so the pilots could bet which one could make the most guys throw up, average daily temps above 110, and carrying a rifle for 17 days that I was only given one 20 round mag for. We did fall asleep most nights listening to gorilla fighters shooting things in the distance and the locals attacked the Pepsi truck on it's way to deliver to us. Sucked, but not war.

Response by CPO William A. Bullard Jr. made May 25 at 2021 8:30 AM

CPO William A. Bullard Jr. — Tue, 25 May 2021 08:30:24 -0400

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Period end of sentence. While they served, and served in "the era" they were not in VietNam. This is the S**t that Tom Harkin pulled from Iowa [late Democratic Senator] claiming he was a fighter pilot in VietNam , when in fact he was ferrying fighters to Okinawa, that would be redeployed to that theatre, or Brian Dennnehy who never got any closer than Okinawa. There is nothing wrong with being an 'Era' veteran and everything good to be about it; but, that said don't try and surf the trailing edge of that wave or wear the shoes that will never fit you. That is dishonest, minimizes your service, and marginalizes the service of those who were actually there. Serving in Germany????? You were on the Wall; you wouldn't have lasted 20 minutes on a good day if the Russian WarSaw pact forces stormed across the Fulda Gap; tht was one HellOfaRisk!!!!! How many stay at home sandcrabs [civilians] could have done that? Not many I rather think. You paid the price of the supposedly "Cold War". Good on You; thank You for what you did. There are LOTS of stories about your guys just standing there and sweating it out wondering "...when is this s**t gonna' happen...?" Your stories have to be told too and no one should "horn" in on them that wasn't there. When you came back you got the 'pig's blood treatment and Baby killer stuff thrown at you. Welcome to the former military service club. The very worst thing about VietNam wasn't the white boy hippies hiding outr at Amherst, Yale getting their degrees in BS, or wherever, or even John and Yoko "O!"NO! Lennon, faking homosexuality, or snorting India ink so it looked like Tuberculosis on an X-ray, or nutless hippies trying to roadfblock and get run over by trains carrying ammunition to Federal arsenals. It was the rank indifference of the rest of the American people who complained about the "hippies", complained about "Hanoi Jane", complained about the street theatre guerillas, and yet didn't lift a G*dDamned finger or voice to stop it when they could have. They were silent; they ignored You and Me and by their cowardly silence they approved of what the others did when they bloody well could have stopped that s**t if they had REALLY wanted to. President Johnson [whether or not he lied is immaterial] did NOT sell the war in South VietNam [a country now that was allowed to die by the American people and no longer exists] the War to the American people. The war in South VietNam and every war since then, everything has been expected of the Men in uniform and absolutely nothing has been expected from civilians and the ones who stay out of servioce and stay at home. the useles ASmerican people were allowed to live in an Alice and Wonderland makeabelieve country where everything wass "...gonna' be free on the big rock candy mountain...". You and I were the "Faithful"; we are the "Faithful". the others that did not go know that. they can get up every morning and look at their 70s something face s in the mirror and know tjhat they did not "stand on the Wall". They cannot hide form that; they Can NEVER be a part of You and Me and our shared experiences and will take all of that baggage with them to the grave, no matter how jhard they try to remake a "woke" military or elect a senile poiece of crap who ios now CInC.

Response by PO3 Kevin DeLong made May 25 at 2021 9:35 AM

PO3 Kevin DeLong — Tue, 25 May 2021 09:35:14 -0400

In response to this you would think yes but the Answer is no. One of my uncles enlisted for 4 years into the Army from 1966 to 1970. He was stationed overseas in Germany. He died recently and i went to the local VFW to get a Vietnam marker for his grave as he was on Active duty during the Vietnam war 1965-1975. They said he was not a Vietnam veteran as he had to be in country or Actually serve in Vietnam. They offered a generic US military marker instead but the did give a ceremony and flag to his widow. What is really ironic is he died of Agent orange related health trouble as his job was spraying for weeds using agent orange at American military bases in Germany.

Response by SP5 Rick LaJiness made May 25 at 2021 12:15 PM

SP5 Rick LaJiness — Tue, 25 May 2021 12:15:34 -0400

nope....did my time after boot and AIT ..in Germany on a NIKE base with some pretty big payloads to keep russians at bay....I am a "Cold war Vet"...and no...I don't glow in the dark for being up to my armpits in enriched platonium...

Response by 2LT Dominic Fruges made May 25 at 2021 2:50 PM

2LT Dominic Fruges — Tue, 25 May 2021 14:50:14 -0400

I served as a 2nd Lieutenant in the US Army from October 1972 to June 1974. However, I served stateside only primarily at Ft Hood, TX. I never liked, "Vietnam Era" because it somehow seemed to tie me to fighting in Vietnam. I did not so I never take any credit for it. In fact, I would tell people I was "non-combat" at Ft Hood.

Response by Sgt Louis Botel made May 25 at 2021 3:38 PM

Sgt Louis Botel — Tue, 25 May 2021 15:38:12 -0400

Anyone who served in support of the war in Asia is a Viet Nam War Vet. (Thailand, Okinawa, etc.)

Response by SPC Max Cox made May 25 at 2021 4:06 PM

SPC Max Cox — Tue, 25 May 2021 16:06:45 -0400

I DO NOT BELIEVE SO.

Response by CW5 Les Rayburn made May 25 at 2021 5:59 PM

CW5 Les Rayburn — Tue, 25 May 2021 17:59:00 -0400

No. Sorry, but if you were not there, you are not a “Viet Nam” vet.

Response by CPO William A. Bullard Jr. made May 25 at 2021 7:48 PM

CPO William A. Bullard Jr. — Tue, 25 May 2021 19:48:10 -0400

Oh my brothers,
It is good to talk. I know some of the animus about "Navy"; I saw it from both sides. I was brown water my first tour in country 'Gator Navy', the unloved and not respected ppart of the Navy. On brown water we were supposed to 'deliver mail and groceries'. Well we did everything but deliver mail and the groceries. I can remember a "T" boat blown up alongside of us across the pier on the DMZ; she was 'delivering the groceries'; a handful of her people never saw the land of "the big PX" ever again. I can remember the rest of that night trying to sleep and concussion grenades dropped like so much confetti over the side by our people and hearing an ear shattering "bang" go off just on the other side if a 1/2"? of steel hull plate. Is that real??? Is the next one for me? Victor Charles had his own version of UDT, primitive as it was it worked. I can remember the Forrestal; she blew up and wiped out the off going flight deck launch crew in their racks. She was miles offshore in combat launch mode; we were designated for repair and upkeep at Subic and got set back to take care of her. But, almost no one remembers Kersearge, another carrier. She bought it too, almost as bad with a flight deck ordinance operational casualty., due improper handling. These are things that very few people really understand about going to sea, especially going to sea in wartime. A ship is the "single" largest n m,ade organism capable of independent movement on the globe; what is not quite well iunderstood is that a ship is a sleeping monster just waiting for you to break oneofher rules about safe ship operation and shiphandling. The Evans a Sumner Class WWII can, nothing but guns and engines [?sleep? what's that find an empty spot] and how she was vbut in half by HMAS Melbourne. the Evans Melborune incident and Forrestal had one thing in common; the state of Damage Control had disastrously deteriorated from the level it had risen to during the WWII Pacific Campaign. Yet the Evans that had fought in WWII and Korea, had earned battle stars for gunfire support in South VietNam and weas supposed to go back on station after the exercise was NOT allowed to designate the six dozen people she lost in that accident, that could have been prevented but for a little commonsense, was NOT allowed to post her lost people as casualties of the VietNam war. One thing that has to be remembered is that these sorts of "fubars" are inevitably dreamed up by Staff types and wonks from the Puzzle Palace [Pentagon], usually to feather their own evaluation remarks and. I can remember coming home n and he gettinginhto a knock down drag out with my Father: "...you don't know what war is...I was in the Bulge; you were just in the Navy... that damned Nixon.". how do you handle this sort of thing?. I wish I knew. I still wrankle talking with "...I'm more of a VietNam veteran than you are ?Marines?..." years later. What do I do? It's hard. On my first tour in brown water there must have been at most a company of USMC Snipers in the entire country. Twenty plus years later I'll be damned go to hell if I didn't meet all 50,000 of'em [any clown tht can buy a short action Remington]. How do I Handle that? My second tour [volunteered] was aboard USS Oklahoma City CLG-5; we were gunfire support. We shot up everything that moved and a lot of things that didn't move'. TetII we shot our bartrels out and went to Subic to rebarrel and rearm; along the way I got to fight a "Charlie" fire in the 5" ready ready magazine durng a gunfire mission; how do I explain that? I'm not a hero: I'm just a Sailor an old retired Chief waiting for the Breaker's Yard and c decommissioning. But, one thing I remember is that when I enlisted and shipped over on the DMZ is that I was gauranteed that I would serve, not that I'd necessarily like it, but I would serve, and serve I did. I am proud of that. Before even marrying my wife [and she spent a career in USNR], raising a son who went to Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom in Basra and served a tour in Afghanistan I am proudest of my service in South VietNam; I am one of "the faithful". For the inquisitive, come to Fall River, Mass. Last weekend I Piped for the Marine Corps League at the dedication of the VietNam memorial Wall, a national monument. Its is not a "moving wall"; it is a 3/4 scaleof the one on the National Mall in DC [the Swamp] and across the geen from the Iwo Jima memorial which I Pipe on Memorial Days. I saw something last weekend, all of my brothers. They were there and awhole generation of Americans who were never there that wants to know and remember what we did there. Era vets were there, Korean War Vets [ the war everyone forgot about] were there, the last of the WWII Marines and Doggies were there, Coasties were there, USAAF was there. Taps was blown and Amazing Grace was Piped and the park was jammed.

Response by Sgt Dustin Davis made May 26 at 2021 4:07 AM

Sgt Dustin Davis — Wed, 26 May 2021 04:07:28 -0400

I could almost bet a paycheck that though it did happen, i don't think there where many treated like "baby killers" or pigs blood. No doubt the bush in NAM was like 80 year old pussy. Smelled like shit, but like the pun goes, it depends. I will never claim that it was a shit sandwich on the return, but for fuck sake. The draft types I will give it to, but you cunts that volunteered better get a straw. Fucking ranks in your name... you guys are the pricks that has to tell everyone you see that you served. Draft types, my hat is off to that sacrifice. Fuck Tricky Dick
Semper FI
Dustin

Response by SP5 Dave Woodling made May 26 at 2021 6:18 PM

SP5 Dave Woodling — Wed, 26 May 2021 18:18:57 -0400

I feel only the people who actually served in-country and Navy personnel serving off the coast should be considered Vietnam Vets. There is no reason they shouldn't be proud to be Vietnam Era vets. Many were in support of the war in other Countries, but were not actually in the Country. The stigma
of the Vietnam Veterans has changed to pride now, unlike many years ago. changed to the point that 2.5 million actually served in VN, but in the 2010 census, 15 million claimed to be VN vets. Let those who actually served there at least have that proud name!

Response by SP5 Dave Woodling made May 26 at 2021 6:24 PM

SP5 Dave Woodling — Wed, 26 May 2021 18:24:11 -0400

I feel only those Vets that actually served In-Country, and Navy off the Coast, deserve the recognition of being a Vietnam Vet. Others aro9und the world supported the war, but never served in the area. They have the designation Vietnam Era vets is a fine designation for them, it means they served the Country around the world during the conflict during the war. Allow us VN Vets at least have that proud designation.

Response by MSgt Kerry Lundy made May 27 at 2021 9:23 PM

MSgt Kerry Lundy — Thu, 27 May 2021 21:23:32 -0400

I wonder if the Veterans of WW1,WW2 and Korean War/Conflict had conversations like the ones I have read with opinions of Vietnam War Vet and Vietnam era Vet? I knew several from the earlier conflicts who never set a foot on the battle sites but I never heard anyone refer to them as an era vet. What about the out of theater aircraft crews,maintainers and cargo handlers who ensured troops and cargo/supplies got to those of us who were on the ground in hostile site. I served three tours on the ground in Vietnam and two years in Thailand during the conflict. It takes the total force regardless of the piece of ground one is standing on.

Response by SSG Jack Lewis made May 28 at 2021 1:01 PM

SSG Jack Lewis — Fri, 28 May 2021 13:01:53 -0400

Wow. Talk about "refighting the last war"...

Vets use up too much of our oxygen trying to dibble out the last tiny refinements of "hero hierarchy," and it's mostly horse apples. Ask yourself whether a bush Marine or an airborne Ranger would win a fight against a SEAL, and see if you don't sound just like a playground kid wondering whether Batman could take Superman (obviously he could, if Batman had been deployed... right?).

If you really want to spin the head of a combat arms guy, try rephrasing the question this way: is a female vet with multiple combat tours (I know a couple of 'em) more, or less, of a veteran than an 11B with master blaster wings?

How 'bout a nurse who went to Vietnam?

Let's not create more artificial divisions between vets. We all get plenty of amusement already just by makin' fun o' jarheads.

Response by 1LT Anthony Desimone made May 28 at 2021 2:18 PM

1LT Anthony Desimone — Fri, 28 May 2021 14:18:53 -0400

I was there and only those that were there are Vietnam Vets. I know guys that worked the system nit to go. Clinton for instance they are not Vietnam Vets! We took enough heart ache just fir following orders. No way only those that pounded the ground and crossed the rice paddies are Vietnam Vets.

Response by SSG Douglas Espinosa made May 28 at 2021 2:20 PM

SSG Douglas Espinosa — Fri, 28 May 2021 14:20:51 -0400

If they didn't serve in the war, no. Just like today they shouldn't be called Iraq or Afghanistan vets if they haven't served there

Response by Lt Col Raymond Swenson made May 28 at 2021 6:36 PM

Lt Col Raymond Swenson — Fri, 28 May 2021 18:36:14 -0400

Service members who served in the Vietnam theater were entitled to wear a special Vietnam Service Ribbon. Those of us who served elsewhere, but during the period of the war and therefore potentially subject of assignment to Southeast Asia, and in many cases performing support to forces assigned in Vietnam, Thailand, or Laos, were entitled to wear the National Defense Service Medal. The next time the NDSM was issued was during Desert Shield/Desert Storm. My own active service began during the Vietnam era, and ended during the Gulf War era, so I have the NDSM with an oak leaf cluster for the second award. During the Cold War, it was just as important to guard West Germany against a potential Soviet attack, to guard Korea and Japan against attack by North Korea or Communist China, and to serve with the strategic services at NORAD watching for an attack on the US, and with those manning US nuclear missile submarines, land-based ICBMs, and strategic bombers on standby with nuclear bombs and cruise missiles. What is offensive is someone claiming that military service on these other fronts was somehow not as important as serving in SE Asia.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2021 8:21 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 May 2021 08:21:35 -0400

I served USN active duty from ‘70-‘76 but never left CONUS. Ten years later, I enlisted in the USNR and served ‘86-‘00. Of 32 Corpsmen in my unit, 16 were recalled for AD during Desert Storm, but only one actually went to Kuwait. I was not recalled. I will never refer to myself as a “Viet Nam Veteran” or “Desert Storm Veteran” for the same reasons others have said....to do so is dishonorable, in my eyes by putting myself in the same category as combatants. They are the true Veterans. I am proud enough to have served in those eras.

Response by 1SG Ralph Hazlett made May 29 at 2021 11:48 AM

1SG Ralph Hazlett — Sat, 29 May 2021 11:48:00 -0400

NO...Plain and Simple reason.

Response by SPC David Hess made May 29 at 2021 3:25 PM

SPC David Hess — Sat, 29 May 2021 15:25:43 -0400

No! There's no such thing as an associate Vietnam vet. You were even there or you weren't.

Response by PO3 Bill. Wattie Watkins made May 29 at 2021 11:02 PM

PO3 Bill. Wattie Watkins — Sat, 29 May 2021 23:02:20 -0400

I don't think so either They never sent me there from 68 to 72

Response by PO2 Randall Gould made May 30 at 2021 11:42 PM

PO2 Randall Gould — Sun, 30 May 2021 23:42:27 -0400

I served in the Navy from 1973 to 1977 and I do not feel like I am entitled to be called a Vietnam vet since I served on the East coast and only made Med cruises. I am Vietnam Era Vet but not a Vietnam Vet. The worst I experienced was having rocks thrown at me in Souda Bay, Crete.

Response by 1LT Anthony Desimone made Jun 6 at 2021 9:44 AM

1LT Anthony Desimone — Sun, 06 Jun 2021 09:44:27 -0400

Unless to were in country you are not a Vietnam vet period!

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Jun 11 at 2021 11:16 AM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Fri, 11 Jun 2021 11:16:51 -0400

Does calling them Vietnam Vets provide more or less creditability of their service?

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jun 11 at 2021 4:19 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Fri, 11 Jun 2021 16:19:13 -0400

The states do not dictate what veterans are addressed as. Like myself, most know that the people trying to make those decisions are NOT the ones in the picture.at times only about fifty thousand of the millions of members were actually facing the enemy. I will grant that most of those who were not actually fighting the enemy were at least, in country. I would also include Air Force personnel in Thailand and soldiers on the DMZ in Korea. That is as far as it goes for me

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jun 11 at 2021 7:04 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Fri, 11 Jun 2021 19:04:04 -0400

My titlle in Vietnam was HEY YOU!

Response by SFC Terry Wilcox made Jun 11 at 2021 8:59 PM

SFC Terry Wilcox — Fri, 11 Jun 2021 20:59:35 -0400

After two tours in-country, and being med-evac'd out to the Army's 106th General Hosp in Yokohama Japan for reconstructive surgery - going home and being cursed at for months - I don't care what the Vietnam ERA vets claim - they still had to put up with the crap from the Hippie bunch - one of which was my older brother.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jun 12 at 2021 12:15 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Sat, 12 Jun 2021 12:15:01 -0400

You watched the war on TV, so did a lot of people who were not in the military

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jun 12 at 2021 4:37 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Sat, 12 Jun 2021 16:37:13 -0400

I felt reprieved when the Army Disability retired me retroactively for 17 years, including back pay. You would be amazed how little that came to. There is no rhyme or reason to VA ratings. I do get worked up when I am excluded because I am not active duty. I remember going off about a free cup of coffee.

Response by CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin made Jun 12 at 2021 8:58 PM

CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin — Sat, 12 Jun 2021 20:58:57 -0400

A Vet is a Vet

Response by Sgt Douglas Dickens made Jun 26 at 2021 12:28 PM

Sgt Douglas Dickens — Sat, 26 Jun 2021 12:28:08 -0400

I was in the Marines from 1966 to 1973. I went to Hawaii but did not go to Vietnam. I am not a Vietnam Vet. PERIOD. Some say because I was in during the time period, I paid my dues. I don't feel I paid full fee. Many Vietnam Vets never got out in the bush and many never left the rear. Never the less they went, they were there, away from family, away from home and at risk. The paid their dues full fee. I did not
While I am designated a Vietnam Era Vet, I am embarrassed to claim even that. I am a Marine Vet, and nothing more. To claim more seems dishonest.

Response by SGT David Young made Jun 26 at 2021 8:35 PM

SGT David Young — Sat, 26 Jun 2021 20:35:59 -0400

No. I was in Nam 69-70. I think only those who were there can be called Vietnam vets.

Response by PO2 John Armstrong made Jun 27 at 2021 9:44 AM

PO2 John Armstrong — Sun, 27 Jun 2021 09:44:24 -0400

What about Blue Water Navy? I did WestPac 1967 On the USS Hornet (it's final tour) and WestPac 1968 on the USS Bennington. Many ground pounders were happy to hear the wunp, wump, wump of the big Sea Kings coming to lift them out. Not looking for glory, here. My gig was easier than many; but I too buried friends, and was abandoned by those who didn't serve, including a couple who cried to return from Canada when it was over.

Response by SGT Tim Bennett made Jun 27 at 2021 9:44 AM

SGT Tim Bennett — Sun, 27 Jun 2021 09:44:50 -0400

I'm a Vietnam era vet that never served in Vietnam. I have never referred to myself as a Vietnam vet, and don't expect others to. Only people that served there deserve that title. It merits it's own realm of respect.

Response by MSgt Wayne Owens made Jun 27 at 2021 10:48 AM

MSgt Wayne Owens — Sun, 27 Jun 2021 10:48:32 -0400

If you were not in Vietnam, you are not a Vietnam Veteran. This includes those who served in Guam, Phillipines, Japan, Thailand, and those who did end of month/first of month inspection visits to Vietnam in order to qualify for income tax write-offs.

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Jun 27 at 2021 12:24 PM

PO1 Tom Follis — Sun, 27 Jun 2021 12:24:30 -0400

At my age, I don’t really care what you call me. I joined the Navy because I wanted to go to Vietnam. After about 1 year, I was still sitting stateside so, I put in a request for orders. Yes, it was approved by my command. However, the powers that be in Washington,(or where ever they kept desk jockeys) realized I was an only son. Needless to say, I was rejected. Every male in my family served in the military and all in a combat role. It was my goal in life to follow that tradition. It’s not my fault I didn’t have the honor of standing next to you during your glory. I spent 21 years doing the best I could for God and Country as well as support my Brothers and Sisters on the front. So, I’m not your Vietnam veteran? OK. I can accept that but, don’t you ever berate or belittle me because I “wasn’t there”!

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2021 5:24 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Jun 2021 17:24:38 -0400

Anyone who took the oath. And served in any of the U.S. Armed Forces. Is a bet. Period.Vet is short for Veteran. Veteran in this case is someone who served. Does not matter if they were in combat or not.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2021 5:28 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Jun 2021 17:28:10 -0400

I did not read carefully. No Vietnam vet and Vietnam era are 2 different things. Sorry for my lack of paying attention to what I read. I guess I stopped reading when I started thinking.

Response by PO2 Tony Belarmino made Jun 27 at 2021 6:37 PM

PO2 Tony Belarmino — Sun, 27 Jun 2021 18:37:29 -0400

Even closer to home, some do not consider us Blue Water vets "real" Nam vets.
That is no problem for me.

Response by SMSgt Robin Wright made Jun 28 at 2021 12:25 PM

SMSgt Robin Wright — Mon, 28 Jun 2021 12:25:49 -0400

I am a Vietnam era veteran. Simply because I served while the war was going on. I was at Plattsburgh AFB, working as an electrician on the KC-135 and FB-111. While all of that is true, I don't even call myself a Vietnam era veteran much less a Vietnam veteran. I was never in Vietnam and never faced what those were there faced. No bullets flying my way and no Agent Orange exposure. So no, Vietnam era veterans are not entitled to be called Vietnam Vets. I've seen hats and pins being sold with Vietnam era patches, insignia, etc. I would never wear them, because it would send the wrong message. The majority of people who were never in the military would automatically assume I was in Vietnam. Calling a Vietnam era veteran a Vietnam veteran would be a lie.

Response by CW4 James Speller made Jun 28 at 2021 1:42 PM

CW4 James Speller — Mon, 28 Jun 2021 13:42:09 -0400

I agree. Spent war years on ADA Sites Herc. Plenty of insults, demonstrations, feces hurled over fences, etc. However no comparison to duty in Vietnam. Cold War Veteran better choice.

Response by 1LT William F. O'Kelley made Jun 28 at 2021 2:24 PM

1LT William F. O'Kelley — Mon, 28 Jun 2021 14:24:07 -0400

As a Vietnam ERA Vet (I served in the FRG waiting for the Russians), I have several covers that say "Vietnam Era Vet". I didn't serve in a combat zone, & I reserve the title of "Vietnam Vet" to those who did.

Response by Sgt Larrie Lindemann made Jun 28 at 2021 2:34 PM

Sgt Larrie Lindemann — Mon, 28 Jun 2021 14:34:42 -0400

In The Long Run
We All Have To Live With Are Selfs

Response by CPL Roy Anderton made Jun 28 at 2021 2:44 PM

CPL Roy Anderton — Mon, 28 Jun 2021 14:44:37 -0400

Although I feel a close camaraderie with fellow Vietnam Vet, I did not serve in that theater so no I would not consider myself a Vietnam Vet only a Vietnam ERA Vet ( 1968 - 1970 ) 31M20 Southern Germany

Response by SPC Mario Moreno made Jun 28 at 2021 11:31 PM

SPC Mario Moreno — Mon, 28 Jun 2021 23:31:00 -0400

I served from 1967 to 1970 was with two different units with the fifth infantry division but was transferred before being shipped out because my mother had cancer. I agree with you about being called Vietnam vet in fact I refused to take the honer flight because I didn’t serve in a war zone. I was in Okinawa on a middle sight

Response by MAJ Chet Heidl made Jun 30 at 2021 11:18 AM

MAJ Chet Heidl — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 11:18:59 -0400

Not only No, but Hell No! Either you were there (in country) or you weren't. If you were in the military anywhere else during that timeframe, you were a Vietnam Era vet. Stick with that. It's an honorable title.

Response by SPC Ken Kellar made Jun 30 at 2021 10:44 PM

SPC Ken Kellar — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:44:27 -0400

The only ones to be called Vietnam Vets are the people who severed in Vietnam.
Ken Kellar 196th LIB 3/21 A Company. MOS 11B40

Response by TSgt David Wittich made Jul 1 at 2021 12:01 AM

TSgt David Wittich — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 00:01:09 -0400

Up to the end of my enlistment/career/retirement (2/8/1968 - 12/31/1989), every military member who served during a time of war was considered a veteran of that war EXCEPT VIETNAM.
If you served in Hoboken NY during the Spanish-American War you were a Spanish-American War vet. If you served in St. Louis during WWI you were a WWI vet, if you served in Kansas during WWII you were a WWII vet, if you served in San Francisco during Korea you were a Korean vet.

WHAT MAKES VIETNAM SO SPECIAL THAT YOU HAD TO ACTUALLY BE THERE TO BE CONSIDERED A VET?

We were ALL treated like crap by the country that we served - doesn't matter where you were at the time, it was all the same. We wore the uniform, did the job we were assigned to the best of our ability and then were shat upon by the entire nation.

Response by SSG Conrad Sylvestrelamb made Jul 1 at 2021 11:40 AM

SSG Conrad Sylvestrelamb — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 11:40:20 -0400

I would call them combat vets even for 88M . Truck drivers.

Response by SPC Dennis Caisse made Jul 1 at 2021 1:45 PM

SPC Dennis Caisse — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 13:45:19 -0400

I say, "No." Those women and men who were rotated to RVN to fight are the only ones to claim the title of Vietnam War Vet. I served in the NY Army National Guard from 1970-76, completed BCT and AIT, but never fired a weapon in anger. I would not steal anyone's valor by claiming I was a Vietnam Vet. Never.

Response by CPO F M Cox made Jul 1 at 2021 3:18 PM

CPO F M Cox — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 15:18:34 -0400

I am a Combat wounded, Vietnam Vet who served in Vietnam on the ground, not somewhere else or on some ship 200 miles off shore.
I hate it when i see someone with one of the "Vietnam Era" ball caps. In my opinion they are just trying to ride on the current trend of finally recognizing Vietnam Veterans.
You were either in Vietnam or or you were not I guess the bottom line is if you were awarded the Vietnam Service medal then you are a Vietnam Vet, otherwise you ARE NOT.

Response by Karen Hickman made Jul 1 at 2021 7:34 PM

Karen Hickman — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 19:34:48 -0400

Lost my brother in Vietnam, I am not sure how to feel about this question. Why would you say you were in Vietnam if you were not?

Response by SSgt Gary Rayfield made Jul 2 at 2021 12:08 AM

SSgt Gary Rayfield — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 00:08:37 -0400

I may not have set foot in Country, but I did fly on AC-130 Gunships as a Gunner over the Ho-chi-men (spelling wrong I know) trail in 1971. My plane was hit 3 times with the third being bad enough that we almost had to bail out, but God took hold and we made it back to our base in Thailand. For this I did receive the Vietnam Campaign Medal and another I don't remember the name of, but not the third one for actually being in Country. Those personnel got three. I also received the Distinguished Flying Cross with 4 Oak Leaf Clusters and The Air Medal with 8 Oak Leaf Clusters. I know that I am not just a Vietnam Era Vet, but an actual Vietnam Vet and proud of it.

I would have set foot in Vietnam in 1966 except for the problem that came up. I was sent to Korat, Thailand and along with 2 other friends sent there too, and we received a Change of Orders upon arrival. They went, but I can't down with Hepatitis and was sent to a hospital in Japan. All my things, clothing, records, etc went to Vietnam with my friends, but I never did. Caused a BIG mess with my pay records that They couldn't find. Big laugh now but not then.

Response by CPL Tripp Leonard made Jul 2 at 2021 6:58 AM

CPL Tripp Leonard — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 06:58:08 -0400

I served 72-75 ... I did not go to Vietnam ... therefore I AM NOT a Vietnam Vet. I am Vietnam ERA Vet ... there is a difference...

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Jul 2 at 2021 4:48 PM

SGT Ronald Audas — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 16:48:44 -0400

I am a 67-68 Korean veteran.From 1966-73 many things paralled between and decisions were made effecting each country.ie.Vietnam vets sent to Korea when the U SS Pueblo was taken and Korean vets sent during the Tet offensive.This constitutes an era.I don't want to be called a Vietnam vet anymore that the brave combatants in Vietnam want to be called a Korean vet I am proud to have served during the Vietnam Era,but that refers to a time only.

Response by SSG(P) Danielle Birtha made Jul 2 at 2021 5:41 PM

SSG(P) Danielle Birtha — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 17:41:21 -0400

For ANYONE who believes the answer to that question is a resounding YES! :

IN MY OPINION... %$#@#$% discriminating %$#@ heads, who want to pigeon hole people into categories to inflict fascism on, to satisfy their own personal psychopath hate, can get a life and leave everyone else alone >(

THS IS NOT THE NAZI UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ... YET >(

MOST Vietnam Veterans were DRAFTED and had no choice except to serve willingly... OR SPEND THEIR LIVES IN JAIL >(
%$#@ ALL OF YOU WHO HATE THEM FOR TURNING DOWN LIFE IN PRISON >(

I AM A U.S. PATRIOT VETERAN... DOES IT REALLY MATTER TO ANYONE, EXCEPT THOSE WHO WISH TO HATE ME FOR BEING IN A CERTAIN WAR, WHICH WAR I AM A VETERAN OF?
NO.
I AM A VETERAN.
Vietnam... and Yes... I was reviled for being a soldier... by Democratic National Socialist Fascists ...
--> THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF THIS NATION RIGHT NOW...
--> INFLICTING FASCIST TREASON AGAINST WE THE PEOPLE OF THE U.S. TO PLEASE THE ENEMIES OF U.S. >(

I FOLLOWED THE ORDERS OF MY SUPERIORS, AND DID MY JOB TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY... DURING WAR... non-combatant because of my gender >(
DOES THAT MAKE ME LESS OF A VETERAN IN YOUR EYES? TOO BAD >(
Regardless of the fascist hate, I STILL STAND, A FREE PATRIOT OF THIS NATION...
--> And anyone that doesn't like that is welcome to join the line of haters who want to execute me for being a loyal U.S. Patriot Citizen of this Nation. >(
You can put me on my knees to your superior hate... and your Communist Dictators...
--> AFTER YOU HAVE EXECUTED ME >(

My Great Uncle, Marine, received the Silver Star... posthumously...
DOES IT MATTER THAT WAS THE KOREAN WAR?
NO.

MY FATHER WAS ALSO A VETERAN! Air Force.
Of the Korean War... non-combatant because he was the only son... regardless of his desire to fight alongside his Uncle.
DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF HE WAS UNDER FIRE AS HE PROTECTED U.S. FROM ENEMIES TRYING TO ATTACK U.S. VIA CANADA... BY SENDING AIR FORCE FIGHTERS TO INTERCEPT ENEMY PLANES?
NO >(

ALL WHO SERVE DURING WAR ARE RECOGNIZED AS VETERANS, REGARDLESS OF WAR.
HAS HAS BEEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS NATION.
Accept that. It's the Law.

Yeah... the question makes me angry... because it is high fascism to hate those who give up part, or all, of their lives, to defend your right to ABUSE your free speech rights... WITH FASCIST HATE SPEECH. >(
Sorry (NOT)... we the people DON'T PLAY THAT #@$% >(

Either go be a Citizen of one of our enemies... OR...

Shove your HATEFUL desire to find a reason to HATE your fellow citizens, with your PERSONAL UNREASONABLE HATE, up your... PICK A PLACE THAT REALLY HURTS >(

Response by LTC Gary Hermsen made Jul 2 at 2021 8:48 PM

LTC Gary Hermsen — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 20:48:23 -0400

I am a retired Viet Nam era veteran but I am NOT a Viet Nam vet - That would qualify as Stolen Valor and dishonor those who did serve in Nam!

Response by George Culbertson made Jul 2 at 2021 11:01 PM

George Culbertson — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 23:01:55 -0400

well, then you have vets that were in WW2, all vets then were WW2 vets, whether they were in combat or not. so....( I was on an island in the Pacific, near Guam, closer to there than here, but still....

Response by SFC Paul Rhoten made Jul 2 at 2021 11:10 PM

SFC Paul Rhoten — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 23:10:56 -0400

Yes they are my brothers and sisters they supported me. could not be there but were vet just the same

Response by SSG Kenneth Corum made Jul 3 at 2021 10:25 AM

SSG Kenneth Corum — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 10:25:12 -0400

Were soldiers who served stateside during Korean War designated Korean War Vets?

Response by CW3 Stephen Mills made Jul 3 at 2021 10:42 AM

CW3 Stephen Mills — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 10:42:19 -0400

No, but is it worth arguing with someone about, also no. Let's just all support each other and not get wrapped up in the minutiae.

Response by SPC Andee Heaberlin made Jul 3 at 2021 11:18 AM

SPC Andee Heaberlin — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 11:18:14 -0400

I am a Veteran of this Era, '71 to '73. I have never considered my self a Vietnam Vet. I respect those that are and show it to them. I will never understand what they went through or suffered. I did the job I was assigned as they did theirs. To all those who were there and came home, WELCOME HOME, and Thank You for Your Service. To those who didn't REST IN PEACE.

Response by SGT Kyle Adams made Jul 3 at 2021 12:33 PM

SGT Kyle Adams — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 12:33:51 -0400

No, if they did not deploy to Vietnam, then they are not a Vietnam vet. I have friends I meet at basic and AIT and they never went to Iraq or Afghanistan. They do not call themselves anything but vets. I did two tours in Iraq, but only call myself a vet, though I can use Iraqi vet. Those that served did what they had to and should feel the honor knowing they were willing to protect our country. People that never served war time during a war do not need to feel ashamed. When putting an extra title on that you did not earn, you diminish the people that earned it. Just because people called you names at home does not make you a vet of war. I know those words hurt, but that is nothing compared to seeing death and destruction.

Response by LTC David Howard made Jul 3 at 2021 6:44 PM

LTC David Howard — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 18:44:25 -0400

Lets just call them Vietnam Era vets, but its not something that I feel very strongly about.

Response by SSgt Francis McCormick made Jul 3 at 2021 8:06 PM

SSgt Francis McCormick — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:06:03 -0400

No , they are called Era vets.

Response by CPO Ed Hoover made Jul 3 at 2021 8:17 PM

CPO Ed Hoover — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:17:15 -0400

The only way you are a Vietnam Veteran, is if you were awarded the Vietnam Service medal, the Vietnam Campaign medal or in early 60s some were awarded the Armed Forces Expeditionary medal! AFEM was awarded before the US developed the VSM. Did I leave anything out?

Response by Cpl Mark Oresko made Jul 4 at 2021 6:43 AM

Cpl Mark Oresko — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 06:43:39 -0400

This one’s straight forward. Always initially ask what they prefer. Then explain how the VA categorizes vets by their conflict or era. I might have fought in the Gulf(Iraq), but I was in kindergarten during the Persian Gulf War. I still get called a Persian Gulf Veteran by 19 year olds trying to turn their phone call to me into a reason to call child protective services. As a matter of fact I was reading my records from the blue button on myhealthevet. A provider wrote that my combat service had expired. I also heard that the VA suspends compensation benefits to vets who don’t receive treatment for 7 years, which is the same as saying that their title as a veteran expired. Never underestimate what the VA can or cannot do.

Response by SPC Francis Center made Jul 4 at 2021 6:57 AM

SPC Francis Center — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 06:57:13 -0400

No,I am a Vietnam era vet,could not go because my twin brother was sent over.And with all due respect,the Vietnam vet is in a class of their own.They went over and fought for this country and deserve the right to have their own distinction of being called a true Vietnam Vet.And I will be happy as a Vietnam era vet.Served from1969 through 1972.Thank you Veterans.

Response by SPC Francis Center made Jul 4 at 2021 7:23 AM

SPC Francis Center — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 07:23:42 -0400

No.I served from Nov1969through Aug.1972.My twin brother and I joined together.We both volunteered and after AIT we got orders.Mine were stateside because I requested Airborne training.My brother got Vietnam.I tried to switch up so we both could go,but no luck.He is a Vietnam vet.I am a Vietnam era vet.He earned that distinction.Only those that served in that hell hole know that that is a brotherhood that they should keep.I lost my twin brother twenty yrs ago ,but he was a true Vietnam vet.And I am a Vietnam era vet .Said and done

Response by SFC Shawn Warren made Jul 4 at 2021 11:33 AM

SFC Shawn Warren — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 11:33:36 -0400

SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD
I am not a Vietnam Vet nor a Vietnam-era Vet. So, I will leave out the distinction between the two.
I believe (and always have) that orders are orders and not a request.
We as SMs cover down on orders and do our duty regardless of our opinions.
I refer to anyone who served in the era of Vietnam or any war/conflict era the same moniker because it takes, "One Team One Fight" to do our duty.
Without the other SMs holding down the fort what would we have to come back to.
Our Republic (not democracy) is always under fire, and it takes all SMs to up-hold our oath to this Great Nation.
We have individual and unit awards that already bear out any distinction required for any SM to see (if needed).
Remember, only a small number of Americans enlist and serve. Love of GOD and Country!
V/R.

Response by SGT Ray Hottenstein made Jul 6 at 2021 5:10 PM

SGT Ray Hottenstein — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 17:10:20 -0400

No. Unless you were in country with boots on the mud (ground) you are a veteran but not a Viet Nam veteran. Respectfully submitted.

Response by MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht made Jul 8 at 2021 2:49 PM

MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 14:49:15 -0400

personally, I don't care. just call me for HAPPY HOUR. To me, to many people live in the past. I want ton(and do) live in the present. I always look forward--not backward.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2021 8:48 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:48:07 -0400

A Vietnam vet in my mind is someone who served in combat in Vietnam. If you served in Germany or the States, you are not a Vietnam vet.

Response by MSgt George Murray made Jul 19 at 2021 6:23 AM

MSgt George Murray — Mon, 19 Jul 2021 06:23:28 -0400

I did two TDY's to Nam, one in 73 and the other for the Saigon pullout. I agree with Johnny that anyone who served during the era can be called a Vietnam era Vet because of all the backlash we got when we mentioned it in public or coming home from country in general.

Response by 1SG William Galeener made Jul 20 at 2021 3:48 PM

1SG William Galeener — Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:48:00 -0400

Did anyone have the ability to be stationed where they wanted? No, they were Stationed where they were needed most by their branch of Service, you can request but it is just that a request. There are some exceptions such as for a Re-enlistment reward, but that will only be for one year. It is where your particular skill set is needed. Only 10 percent on average ever see a combat mission on any front lines, which anymore is anywhere in a hostile Country. But most are in Support positions. Finance, Personnel, Medical, Supply, Equipment repair, light and heavy., Armory,etc.

Response by PO3 Terry Lee made Jul 24 at 2021 10:57 PM

PO3 Terry Lee — Sat, 24 Jul 2021 22:57:02 -0400

Absolutely.

Response by Capt Edward Egan made Jul 27 at 2021 3:39 PM

Capt Edward Egan — Tue, 27 Jul 2021 15:39:04 -0400

"Vietnam Era" veterans are veterans. They are not "Vietnam Vets".

Response by CAPT Kris Turnbow made Jul 28 at 2021 3:23 PM

CAPT Kris Turnbow — Wed, 28 Jul 2021 15:23:34 -0400

I served stateside, Adak and Guam during the early 70’s and would never take away from the bravery and courage of those who served in country. So I am fine being referred to as an era Vet.

Response by SFC Roger Jones made Jul 29 at 2021 1:01 PM

SFC Roger Jones — Thu, 29 Jul 2021 13:01:12 -0400

I would say no also because you weren't in country. Also a question would pertain to Korea. If you served in Korea but not in the war, would you be considered a Korean vet?

Response by Cpl Dalton Jones made Aug 3 at 2021 5:04 PM

Cpl Dalton Jones — Tue, 03 Aug 2021 17:04:38 -0400

I got the service metal

Response by SrA Douglas Collins made Aug 8 at 2021 10:47 AM

SrA Douglas Collins — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 10:47:56 -0400

Tell the men and women who served in area's that were not on the battle maps and made it home to have their entire life changed and denied they even went any where, because all records burned in a building in St Louis... No big media and no one will touch them... So why doesn't the Media investigate all of this?? Just sweep all the shit under the rug... And What happened to the money to get our POW's... Stop complaining and Deal with your own Memories. No body else needs to have those memories in their lives DEAL WITH YOUR OWN!

Response by MSgt Currie C. made Aug 22 at 2021 5:16 PM

MSgt Currie C. — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 17:16:07 -0400

No!

Response by MSgt Currie C. made Aug 22 at 2021 5:16 PM

MSgt Currie C. — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 17:16:39 -0400

No!

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Aug 28 at 2021 3:35 PM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:35:53 -0400

Now I think it’s fitting to acknowledge those who served back then as Viet Nam Vets! They went through too much back then at home. They deserve the Honor & Distinction now that many people say “thank you for your service” when they realize someone is a Vet. When I learn someone was in Nam, I say that with more conviction, more sincerity, and I also say how sorry I am that it took decades for people to finally say thank you to them.
And if there’s time I also say that is those who went that encourage me to enlist. As a teen, I was around quite a few men who were there. I remember how they were talk about their buddies. How close they were, like brothers. I wanted that! So I enlisted & found that same closeness, that brotherhood. Race, Religion, Background didn’t matter. We were just one unit with the same mission. Just wish America was like that.

Response by SN Douglas Thomson made Aug 30 at 2021 12:32 PM

SN Douglas Thomson — Mon, 30 Aug 2021 12:32:30 -0400

I respect all Servicemen (Men & Women) regardless of when, where and how they served our Country. We all signed up and put our lives on the line in the Service to our Country and to ensure that our fellow Citizens here at home and around the world freedoms remain free and to continue to enjoy our way of life. I went to Vietnam and helped to rescue Vietnamese Refuge's escaping and in fear for their lives back in 1983. We all received Humanitarian Medals for having successfully rescued these Refuge's. However hear at home, I am sorry to report that our Government and the State of California does not see this as an act of War or Service during Wartime. We do not get the same recognition as a War Veteran who may or may not have served in an actual battle or in a War type situation even though our Servicemen could have been killed during the operation. In my heart it does matter as all Servicemen are willing to die for our Country and our way of life. Everyday they are on Active Duty in the Service of our County they may be called to battle as they have been trained and are ready to die for all of us hear at home. Let that sink in before you call to question a Servicemen or Veterans Service to our Country and fellow Citizens.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2021 3:35 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 15:35:47 -0400

If a soldier/sailor/airman/marine did not serve in theater then they should not be referred to as a Vietnam Veteran. Same with any other conflict/war time theater our country has or will be in.

Response by SPC Ron Chromey made Sep 2 at 2021 3:44 PM

SPC Ron Chromey — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 15:44:47 -0400

They should be honored and respected because they agreed to put themselves in harm's way. Most did not have control over where they were being assigned after basic training, especially those drafted instead of enlisting. However, they are NOT Vietnam Vets. They were soldiers willing to go and should be called Veterans, but only those who were in-country and actually experienced it should be called Vietnam Vets. I have friends who were drafted and sent to Germany. They never considered themselves to be Vietnam Vets...just veterans. I too was drafted, but volunteered for Vietnam. There is a definite distinction, and should remain so.

Response by SGT Wayne Grindstaff made Sep 3 at 2021 9:56 AM

SGT Wayne Grindstaff — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 09:56:31 -0400

I personally I am just happy when someone say's "Thanks for your Service". I hardly ever heard that before 1991. All serving had a job to do, no matter what it was and I Thank You.

Response by Col Tracy Spencer made Sep 3 at 2021 10:31 AM

Col Tracy Spencer — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 10:31:51 -0400

No. A "war veteran" is different than a "veteran." Those using the argument that any service member could have been sent to Vietnam is a fallacy. Using the same argument, I could say that any able-bodied man, aged 18-35, should be able to call themselves a Vietnam veteran because they were subject to the draft and could have been sent to Vietnam. Those who were not sent to the war do not have the experiences of the hopelessness, the feeling and risk of impending death, the physical disabilities, or the mental health issues that are common in wear veterans.

Response by CPO David E. made Sep 3 at 2021 3:32 PM

CPO David E. — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 15:32:16 -0400

I served during the VietNam war but never got close to being in country. While I am a Nam Era vet I am NOT a VietNam vet and refuse to dishonor those who did serve in coutry by claiming to be one.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Sep 3 at 2021 3:41 PM

Lt Col Warren Domke — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 15:41:49 -0400

Having served a year in-country in Vietnam I am eligible to be considered a Vietnam veteran and happily lay claim to the title. Had I not served that year in Vietnam I would accept the title of Vietnam Era veteran. Since my tour of duty did not include combat I do not lay claim to the title of Vietnam Combat veteran. I think it is important to make the distinction. All veterans deserve to be recognized regardless of era or geography in which served, and our service should be recognized and honored. But it is only accurate to call our service correctly.

Response by SGT John Goschka made Sep 3 at 2021 4:43 PM

SGT John Goschka — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 16:43:46 -0400

I'm a Vietnam veteran!!!!

Response by SPC Jefferson Graves made Sep 3 at 2021 5:05 PM

SPC Jefferson Graves — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 17:05:31 -0400

I know I'm a day late and a dollar short on this but Vietnam era vets have their own distinction. We don't use ww2 era or Korean War era, it's either you were there or you're forgotten so in a sense for the hardships endured by that eras vets they have their own distinction that is unique to them. Long story short, you were there or you kinda don't exist with the few exceptions of the Vietnam era and celebrities like Elvis.

Response by SSG James Lopez made Sep 3 at 2021 5:37 PM

SSG James Lopez — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 17:37:59 -0400

Vietnam vets or other wars, they are still our brothers and sisters no matter what. It doesn't matter what branch of service you were in or what war you were in, we are all brothers and sisters and in time of need we all got your six!

Response by SGT Peter Wilisch made Sep 3 at 2021 6:16 PM

SGT Peter Wilisch — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 18:16:59 -0400

No. I am a Vietnam era vet but was never in Vietnam. I have not earned the title of Vietnam vet and don't deserve it. It is unsettling to me that anyone with past military experience would think they should be considered a combat veteran when they don't have that experience. Everyone gets a trophy?? No way!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2021 7:58 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 19:58:00 -0400

I have never felt comfortable being called a Vietnam Vet. I joined in 73, two years before the end of the war, and was sent to Germany. Most of the E-6s and above were Vietnam vets. My tank commander did three tours, my Platoon Sgt. five tours, Top had multiple tours, the CO flew choppers, and many others. The day Saigon fell in 75 I saw more than one tear on faces that bore the scares of combat - both physical and emotional. I would never take credit for their sacrifice.

Response by MCPO Daniel Meffen made Sep 3 at 2021 8:15 PM

MCPO Daniel Meffen — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 20:15:12 -0400

I think there is a difference between Vietnam Era Vets, and Vietnam Vets. I personally, never served in country, but sat off the coast on a CV for 6 months. I am the first to say, "I was never in country, like others, but I was there" Give RESPECT for those who did thier jobs in coubtry, not those who were else where in the world!

Response by 2d Lt Scott Miller made Sep 3 at 2021 10:57 PM

2d Lt Scott Miller — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 22:57:10 -0400

I quit high school and joined the army in 1965. Was stationed in Germany. Got out in 1968. Enlisted in the Air Reserve in 1972. Left in 1977. The Vietnam War was going on most of the time I was in service. Still, that makes me a Vietnam-era Vet, not a Vietnam Vet.

Response by CPT William Pearson made Sep 3 at 2021 11:46 PM

CPT William Pearson — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 23:46:37 -0400

It is weird! It seems everyone is a Vietnam Veteran. There are combat veterans and” REMFs.” I only wear my Vietnam Veteran hat when I go to the VA. I don’t wear my RANGER BERET. It feels like we are an anomaly in our society. I have given all my military medals to my grandson, I was 24 in the mountains of Pleiku. Now, the only combat I see is trying to stay alive in the traffic, dodging homeless, mentally challenged folks in Seattle.

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Response by Sgt James Mercoglianno made Sep 4 at 2021 4:58 AM

Sgt James Mercoglianno — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 04:58:41 -0400

I say stick to the phrase Vietnam Era Veteran.

Response by Sgt James Mercoglianno made Sep 4 at 2021 4:59 AM

Sgt James Mercoglianno — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 04:59:47 -0400

I say stick to the phrase Vietnam Era Veteran.

Response by PO3 Kathy Getchey made Sep 4 at 2021 7:16 AM

PO3 Kathy Getchey — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 07:16:02 -0400

Suffice to say my husband was in country 3 X, I never was in country. Call me an ERA vet if you want to, im ok with that.

Response by SSG(P) D. Wright Downs made Sep 4 at 2021 11:14 AM

SSG(P) D. Wright Downs — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 11:14:48 -0400

No, they are two different things…one saw combat and the other did not.

Response by SMSgt Donald Lister made Sep 4 at 2021 12:42 PM

SMSgt Donald Lister — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 12:42:01 -0400

You have two entities, Vietnam War Veterans (in-country) & Vietnam Era Veterans (not in-country). One should address themself as one or the other.

Response by SPC Fernando Aldecoa made Sep 4 at 2021 1:28 PM

SPC Fernando Aldecoa — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 13:28:43 -0400

There is a huge difference between even Viet Nam Vets and Combat Vets. Approximately 16 or 17& of the total troops assigned to Viet Nam actually saw combat. There remains a huge difference in the risk taken by combat vets and support troops. Everyone has a role so this war was no different from any other. However, I know the contributions and the blood given by combat vets as opposed to everyone else. Therefore Combat Vets hold a special place my mind as opposed to others.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2021 1:47 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 13:47:47 -0400

Each war had it’s unique difficulties and should be acknowledged. Everyone should be proud of their service and not get hung up on responsibility for the results, whether they served in a combat zone, what your job was or where they served (the easy living places with hot/cold water, real toilets, showers and three hots and a soft bed) were usually shelled or otherwise attacked on a regular random basis. Leave that for the ones who decide (at our peril).

Response by SGT Edward Murie made Sep 4 at 2021 1:50 PM

SGT Edward Murie — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 13:50:51 -0400

yes any one that served in Nam are Veterans and should be called Vietnam Vterans and anyone that serves in the military are veterans regardless of what they did during the time they served, war time or otherwise

Response by SSG Byron Howard Sr made Sep 4 at 2021 1:51 PM

SSG Byron Howard Sr — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 13:51:15 -0400

I was in during that time frame but I never went to Vietnam. I never ID myself as a Vietnam Vet and I will correct anyone who does.

Response by Cpl William Tanguay made Sep 4 at 2021 2:16 PM

Cpl William Tanguay — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 14:16:19 -0400

I always considered a veteran as someone who went to the place where the action was taking place. I used to argue with a Lt on the police force and he considered anyone who had been in the service a veteran and I said that person is someone who had prior military service period. A person in Massachusetts got a petition going and got enough signatures so the state started issuing veterans plate to anyone with prior military service

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Sep 4 at 2021 11:07 PM

PO1 Frank Downs — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 23:07:05 -0400

I entered the service at the end of the war, I have never called myself a Vietnam Vet, I do identify as a Vietnam era veteran
Are titles really that important? I had 5 fire fights in the jungle of Panama before the invasion of Panama ( never understood how you invade a nation you already have bases and combat troop station) and yet I’m not considered a veteran of that war.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2021 11:37 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 23:37:56 -0400

It'd be like calling folks who were in during OIF/OEF Iraq, Afghanistan or Southern Philippines (yes, shit happened there under OEF) Vets of those areas but never actually WERE in any of those areas. They weren't there, so they couldn't call themselves a vet of the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, or the Philippines.

Response by LTC Myron Opfermann made Sep 5 at 2021 10:20 AM

LTC Myron Opfermann — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 10:20:49 -0400

I think what we are doing now is about as right as we can get it. Those who served 'in country' are 'Vietnam Veterans' and are entitled to the ribbons and medals that designate that service. Those who did not serve 'in country' are 'Vietnam Era Veterans'. The National Defense Service Medal represents their service during this war period. Those of us who served understand this difference, it may be too difficult for those that did not serve and the new generations to understand. Everyone wrote the check of their life when they put the uniform on, the civilian leadership decided how they would use it.

Response by SGT John Garrett made Sep 5 at 2021 11:35 AM

SGT John Garrett — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 11:35:34 -0400

No. I joined in June 75 right after graduation. Believe it or not I got called a baby killer in airports too. Even today as a Legion member people think I’m a Viet Nam Vet. I always correct them,I was not there! That would be a slap in the face to real Viet Nam Vets! That is something I just won’t do!

Response by SGT Dan Brooks made Sep 5 at 2021 12:21 PM

SGT Dan Brooks — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 12:21:35 -0400

I enlisted as Vietnam was winding down. I make it clear as possible I am Vietnam Era vs Vietnam Vet. From most legal perspectives, let's say for benefits, it doesn't matter. For your personal story and stories of everyone who was in country, it matters they get the appropriate resect.

Response by SP5 Victor Wasilov made Sep 5 at 2021 1:42 PM

SP5 Victor Wasilov — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 13:42:53 -0400

I served in Korea (DMZ) during 68-69. Original orders were for Vietnam but changed at the last minute. I believe it is wrong to call all Vietnam-era vets as Vietnam Vets. It’s a disservice to those that actually served in country. Only those vets that had boots on the ground ( Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos) should have that honor. Any vet that served during that time outside Vietnam should NOT be called a Vietnam Vet, nor should they qualify for license plates that state that nor any other form of Vietnam service recognition. Men fought and died in Vietnam. Any where you served in country you faced the possibility of death from hostel fire on a daily if not hourly basis. If you served in the Philippines or any other support location you did not face the same dangers unless you were pilots flying missions over Vietnam, Cambodia, or Laos. I personally would be ashamed and embarrassed to claim that I was a Vietnam Vet when I know that I was 1,000 to 1,800 away.

Response by PVT Mark Whitcomb made Sep 5 at 2021 3:08 PM

PVT Mark Whitcomb — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 15:08:09 -0400

I am a Vietnam era vet. I was never in the Country but training (basic and ait) while the withdrawal took place. I do not consider myself to be a Vietnam Vet.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2021 4:31 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 16:31:42 -0400

Should Vietnam-era Vets be addressed as "Vietnam Vets"? Well... As Mothers are now officially referred to as "Birthing Units and "Breeders", I'd say we got a lot more to worry about! Jus Sayin...

Response by CW3 Joseph Lawrence made Sep 5 at 2021 6:12 PM

CW3 Joseph Lawrence — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 18:12:43 -0400

I guess you could say it was the luck of the draw that some soldiers, were not ordered to Vietnam during their time in service. I was always under the impression that to be called a Veteran you had to serve on active duty in time of war. There were a lot of men during World War 2, that were never in the combat zone, but they would have gone if they were ordered to. I still feel that a Veteran is an individual who served on active duty during a time of war, declared or undeclared. I was fortunate, in that I was in combat and I survived. I also saw first hand the protestors when I returned and had to deal personally with Hari Krishnas in O'Hare on my way home. I was proud of that patch on my right shoulder and I still am till this day. I will always glory in the term Veteran until the day I die. It doesn't matter what conflict you were in. What does matter is that you answered the call I served in the Army National Guard during the time the draft was still in effect and after it was canceled and the only thing that ever crossed my mind is if those Guard units were called to active duty, how many of the men manning them would have run for Canada.

Response by SGT Harold Watson made Sep 5 at 2021 7:11 PM

SGT Harold Watson — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 19:11:16 -0400

Here is my opinion: I was just 18 when I served in Germany in 1967 for 8 months, then sent to Vietnam for 13 months. Served as an RTO with 4/31 Inf 196th Light Inf Brigade...At that time my 3 older brothers served in the Air Force and Navy...My one brother served in the Blue Water Navy for 7 years..the one brother in served in Guam in the Air Force loading bombs in the B-52's heading to Nam. I consider them as my equal...Vietnam Vets not even Vietnam "Era" Vets...

Response by CPO Kenneth Kalish made Sep 5 at 2021 8:20 PM

CPO Kenneth Kalish — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 20:20:36 -0400

My personal view is that they should not. That's why we call them "Viet Nam Era" vets. No matter where you were in country, you were a target, less so at MACV than out there rolling in "the mud and the blood and the beer," but always in someone's sights. When I arrived I was at the Annapolis for four days. One really early morning I got up to pee and when I got back to my rack someone had shot through the window screen and blew up my pillow.

Response by 1LT Lincoln Davis made Sep 5 at 2021 8:36 PM

1LT Lincoln Davis — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 20:36:25 -0400

was different being there being a target and young enough to think our top commanders knew something we did not as to why we were there the bond is different

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2021 9:00 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 21:00:26 -0400

While I served for the vast majority of the war in Afghanistan, I never actually deployed there, so nobody calls me an "Afghanistan Veteran"...and that doesn't bother me.
I did plenty that I'm proud of (and thankful for) over those years, but it seems like I'd be faking if I tried claiming to be an "Afghanistan Veteran".

Response by 1LT Richard White made Sep 5 at 2021 9:25 PM

1LT Richard White — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 21:25:26 -0400

No. A Vietnam era vet is not a Vietnam War veteran.

Response by SSG George Duncan made Sep 5 at 2021 9:49 PM

SSG George Duncan — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 21:49:02 -0400

if you like

Response by SSG George Duncan made Sep 5 at 2021 9:50 PM

SSG George Duncan — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 21:50:13 -0400

if you like

Response by MSG Frederick Otero made Sep 6 at 2021 8:32 AM

MSG Frederick Otero — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 08:32:19 -0400

The years have mellowed me on a lot of things but on this i am firm, a vet is a vet regardless of when they served. VIRIS ET HONOS.

Response by TSgt Alan Richard "Rick" Thomas made Sep 6 at 2021 12:00 PM

TSgt Alan Richard "Rick" Thomas — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 12:00:48 -0400

I personally served in Thailand from mid August 1973 to early June 1974. Since the cut-off for the Vietnam ribbons was March 73(?) am I an era or Vietnam vet? It's like being a Cold War vet, no matter where you were stationed you were in a needed position for the U.S. military.

Response by SP5 John Burleson made Sep 6 at 2021 12:33 PM

SP5 John Burleson — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 12:33:12 -0400

I annoyed the Army from '66 to '70 which was the "Vietnam Era." I never got to go to sunny southeast Asia but most of my graduating class did. So they were Vietnam Vets and I was a lowly vietnam era vet. But I don't mind being called a vietnam vet because it shows solidrity with my brothers who actually earned the title. And no matter where i served. what I did or who I did it with, if I see a fellow vet being attacked for where he served it doesn't (and hasn't) bothered me even a little bit to engage. The whiners who do, in mob fashion, attack one of my brothers are suddenly outnumbered when there's two of us.

Response by MSG Dennis Lane made Sep 6 at 2021 3:36 PM

MSG Dennis Lane — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 15:36:23 -0400

I was active duty Army during Vietnam, so I am a Vietnam Era Veteran. Although I served in Germany and Korea during that time, I was never in Vietnam. I was not put in harm's way as were those who were there. So I do not call myself a Vietnam Veteran, and would correct anyone who did. People in country were at risk, some more than others, but a combat zone puts everyone at risk. Similarly, even though I held MOS 11B, and filled 11B slots in most of my assignments, I did not participate in combat. So while I am proud to be a Veteran, I am not a Combat Veteran, either.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2021 6:08 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:08:57 -0400

Nope. You were either in theater or you weren’t.

Response by PO3 Thomas Shinal made Sep 11 at 2021 3:05 AM

PO3 Thomas Shinal — Sat, 11 Sep 2021 03:05:00 -0400

No, they were either there or they weren't. Almost counts only in hand grenades and horseshoes.

This does not denigrate any man or woman that served their Country

Response by PO1 Don Rowan made Sep 11 at 2021 11:35 AM

PO1 Don Rowan — Sat, 11 Sep 2021 11:35:58 -0400

I see no problem with it.

Response by Sgt Stephen DePalma made Sep 11 at 2021 1:20 PM

Sgt Stephen DePalma — Sat, 11 Sep 2021 13:20:30 -0400

Yes

Response by SPC Mitch Saret made Sep 11 at 2021 4:11 PM

SPC Mitch Saret — Sat, 11 Sep 2021 16:11:16 -0400

Vietnam era vets are like Korea era vets or WWII era vets. The distinction is having served in the conflict or during the conflict. How many served during the Gulf War or in the Gulf War? I know where I have been and what I have done. My decorations and DD214 is all I need for proof or recognition. But I do take the Veteran's discount at Home Depot and Denny's!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2021 5:00 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Sep 2021 17:00:37 -0400

No. They're a Veteran, but not a Vietnam Vet. Just like not all Veterans now aren't all Iraqi Veterans.

Response by 1stSgt Jeff Blovat made Sep 11 at 2021 10:29 PM

1stSgt Jeff Blovat — Sat, 11 Sep 2021 22:29:39 -0400

To all Viet Nam vets: WELCOME HOME!
As to all vets.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2021 8:59 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:59:46 -0400

I have always considered Vietnam “ERA” vets as not in country veterans. In 1981, I had Vietnam Veteran (in country)E7 and above leaders in me Field Unit, and you can tell the difference. I consider myself very fortunate to have been assigned to that unit as my first Army assignment.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Sep 13 at 2021 8:36 PM

1SG James Kelly — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 20:36:20 -0400

65 - 88 couldn't get in a fight on a bet.

19Z 5MHC5D863R71P
Vet works for me.

Response by SPC Laura Mitchell made Sep 19 at 2021 3:00 AM

SPC Laura Mitchell — Sun, 19 Sep 2021 03:00:58 -0400

I think Vietnam-Era is the best description. My late husband was in the Navy and went between the Subic Bay and Da Nang,

Response by SPC David Buttrey made Sep 26 at 2021 8:32 PM

SPC David Buttrey — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 20:32:00 -0400

In my opinion you are either a vet or not a vet. Does not matter to me where you served. I don’t really see a reason to put time frames on it.

Response by 1stSgt Leroy Slater made Oct 25 at 2021 4:37 AM

1stSgt Leroy Slater — Mon, 25 Oct 2021 04:37:24 -0400

I never set foot in Viet Nam, but I fly 185 combat missions doing radio relay to get bombs dropped in downtown Hanio on the SAM sites that the Russians installed along side of schools, hospitals and churchs. We orbited our aircraft due east of Hanio, Hanan Island on the east, mainland China on the noeth, North Viet Nam on the west. Always keeping 30 miles away from land. I consider myself a Viet Nam Vet. I lived either in Thailand, Tawian, Okinowa. Our missions were 13.5 hours out of Tawian or Okinowa, Over 4.5 years I got combat pay and tax exemption. I kept voluntering to go back, to stop the domino effect, that was my job. I would have kept going back except the boys from the jungles didn't like it.I liked the girls for hire, I had a life in wife in Tawian, I have a son from her in Tawian.

Response by SGT John C. made Oct 26 at 2021 3:10 PM

SGT John C. — Tue, 26 Oct 2021 15:10:43 -0400

I served 1973-1984, the first 3 years with the 9th Infantry recently reactivated from Nam to Fort Lewis. I agree that times were tough for those of us that were 11B. I served through the end of Vietnam, but never set boots down over there. The only time I noticed the issues were when I went home, which at that time was Southern California.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Oct 27 at 2021 3:09 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 15:09:24 -0400

Do you address world war veterans as “ World war veteran“ or Korean veterans as “ Korean War veterans?” My point is why are you making subcategories Veterans? I served two tours in Vietnam in addition to that I was a year in Korea 1965-66 and four years in England 1974-77 How would you address me? Both veteran and old-timer are perfectly acceptable to me but if you start putting me in tiny pigs in tiny holes as to distinguish me from all the other veterans I start to wonder what your motives are?

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Oct 28 at 2021 7:37 AM

SPC Donn Sinclair — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 07:37:47 -0400

No. if the VSM, (or it's equivalent prior to the VSM's inception), isn't on your DD-214, you weren't there, you're not a Vietnam vet. No disrespect to era vets, but there it is.

Response by 1LT Peter Duston made Nov 21 at 2021 1:41 PM

1LT Peter Duston — Sun, 21 Nov 2021 13:41:20 -0500

In my mind, a Vietnam Vet is distinctly one who served in "Country" and/or around the waters of Vietnam mainly because they refer to themselves as that and so do most Americans who are old enough. Me! I was an intell officer chasing anti Vietnam War protesters in Boston looking for the Weather Underground, not a Vietnam Vet.

Response by SPC Terence Q Burns made Nov 22 at 2021 3:14 AM

SPC Terence Q Burns — Mon, 22 Nov 2021 03:14:35 -0500

Nope. I was in high school and signed up in 1973 for delayed entry four years later after one year in college. By the time I graduated, the war was over in 1976. Our distinction as a Vietnam Era Veteran is the best way to separate us from those who actually served our country in Vietnam including my grandfather who did four tours.

Response by Col Ramon Benedetto made Dec 3 at 2021 12:53 AM

Col Ramon Benedetto — Fri, 03 Dec 2021 00:53:39 -0500

Although I’m a Vietnam era vet, I wasn’t in-country, so I don’t deserve to called a Vietnam vet. I didn’t have to deal with the war “upfront and personal” like many with whom I served (68-96). I was slated to go over, but with the war drawing down in 71-72, I was sent elsewhere. I am definitely a Cold War vet, having served in Europe while we faced off with Ivan, but I wasn’t in the jungles nor facing rocket attacks. I do not suffer from PTSD as so many do. War is hell, and many Vietnam vets, especially the grunts, have spent their time there. They need to be honored and respected for that.

Response by PO3 Myles Post made Dec 9 at 2021 11:28 PM

PO3 Myles Post — Thu, 09 Dec 2021 23:28:10 -0500

YES THEY SHOULD BE!!!

Response by CW4 Dwayne Guidry made Dec 10 at 2021 1:50 PM

CW4 Dwayne Guidry — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 13:50:50 -0500

First off I want thank you and all Veterans who have served our Country. Second, if you served in the Armed Forces during a time of War you are considered a War era Vet. I understand it may not feel right for some to be called a Vietnam War Era Veteran or even a Vietnam Vet if they did not serve in country. Like some of the previous comments, you could have been called to go at anytime. Take the recognition with Honor. It does not take anything away from those who were in Vietnam.

Response by SGT Dave Loeffler made Dec 10 at 2021 3:31 PM

SGT Dave Loeffler — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 15:31:34 -0500

Iam perfectly happy being called a vet. Vietnam holds a special place but it was no different than any other war in the jungle. It was not the war but treatment stateside and later that was and is the problem.

Response by SPC Collyn Lorimer made Dec 10 at 2021 3:45 PM

SPC Collyn Lorimer — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 15:45:16 -0500

Absolutely not if you did not serve in the country of Vietnam Cambodia or louse and you were not in country then you are not a Vietnam vet you are a Vietnam era vet.

Response by SPC Collyn Lorimer made Dec 10 at 2021 3:46 PM

SPC Collyn Lorimer — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 15:46:02 -0500

Just like all the wars since then. If you did not serve an Afghanistan you're not an Afghanistan war vet. If you did not serve in the Iraq war you are not an Iraq war vet.

Response by PO1 David Bertram made Dec 10 at 2021 10:49 PM

PO1 David Bertram — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 22:49:54 -0500

I received harassment in the US until around 1982. Thank god Regan came in to office and worked to change the community perception of the military.

Response by PO2 Bryan Jackson made Dec 11 at 2021 9:25 AM

PO2 Bryan Jackson — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 09:25:46 -0500

Should military members that never deployed or left the US be allowed to wear the National Defense Medal?! Because they didn’t defend anything, the war was never brought to our country at any point.

Response by CWO4 Miles Weaver made Dec 11 at 2021 12:43 PM

CWO4 Miles Weaver — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 12:43:31 -0500

The simple answer is found in the term Vietnam Vet -- words have meaning and all you have to do is read them and you will know the answer to whether you are one or not. "Vietnam Vet" are the controlling words. If you did not go to Vietnam, it is not possible for you to be a Vietnam Vet. I served during that time, volunteered to go and that is where I was headed until our plane landed in Okinawa. My orders had been changed and Okinawa is as close as I got. I am a Vetnam ERA vet, nothing more, nothing less and still very proud of my time in the Marine Corps.

Response by CWO4 Miles Weaver made Dec 11 at 2021 12:48 PM

CWO4 Miles Weaver — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 12:48:29 -0500

The answer is found in the term, "Vietnam Vets". Words have meanings and to be a veteran of anything, you must have done that thing or been to that place. To be surfer, you have to actually surf -- owning a surfboard but living in the mountains does not qualify. If you served in country, you're a Vietnam Vet. If you almost made it but didn't get there (I got as far as Okinawa before my orders were changed), you are NOT a Vietnam Vet.

Response by PFC Edwin James Oudman made Dec 11 at 2021 1:39 PM

PFC Edwin James Oudman — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 13:39:29 -0500

I’M A VIETNAM VET WHO SERVED ‘IN COUNTRY’ (IN VIETNAM). THOSE VETS WHO SERVED OUTSIDE VIETNAM CAN BE CALLED VETS BUT NOT A 'VIETNAM ERA’ VETERANS. THAT DIS-HONORS US WHO HAVE GIVEN OUR SACRIFICE, HARDSHIPS, BLOOD, AND OUR LIVES!!!!! (GIVE US SOME DIGNITY)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by PFC Edwin James Oudman made Dec 11 at 2021 1:40 PM

PFC Edwin James Oudman — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 13:40:12 -0500

Response by SPC Margaret Lome made Dec 11 at 2021 3:18 PM

SPC Margaret Lome — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 15:18:56 -0500

YES! That includes me. My orders for 'Nam crossed with my orders for discharge due to marriage and my husband being transferred to an AFB with no Army personnel.
I am sure it includes a lot of people.

Response by LTJG Harry M Collins made Dec 11 at 2021 5:28 PM

LTJG Harry M Collins — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 17:28:44 -0500

NO!

Response by TSgt CharliAnn Olney made Dec 11 at 2021 5:47 PM

TSgt CharliAnn Olney — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 17:47:38 -0500

I am a Vietnam-Era Vet who served in Thailand in 73/74. One brother served in country. He is a Vietnam Veteran. My other brother served in the South China Sea, he also considered himself a Vietnam-Era Veteran. We all knew/know the difference.

Response by SGT Donald Brodbeck made Dec 11 at 2021 7:40 PM

SGT Donald Brodbeck — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 19:40:43 -0500

Proud of my Viet Nam experience and want others to acknowledge it

Response by Arene Sanders-Rushdan made Dec 11 at 2021 10:52 PM

Arene Sanders-Rushdan — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:52:13 -0500

I did not serve in the military but if this is a question I can put my 1 cent in, I would say there should be a distinction. I think those who serve in the military and were actually there can speak to how they feel about it.
We shouldn't soften things up and change meanings because it is what it is. When you are called a Vietnam Vet, we already know what that means; you were actually there! One way to look at it is to ask if there was a chance for someone in the era dying in Vietnam while they were actually on American soil.
I hope I am not offending any of our great men and women form putting my 1 cent in answering this question.

Response by PO2 Dale Hoyt made Dec 11 at 2021 11:39 PM

PO2 Dale Hoyt — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 23:39:03 -0500

NO! Era vets should not be referred to as Vietnam vets.

Response by SN John A. Channell made Dec 12 at 2021 1:00 AM

SN John A. Channell — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 01:00:50 -0500

Yes! That's what we are!

Response by TSgt John Burres made Dec 12 at 2021 9:59 AM

TSgt John Burres — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 09:59:30 -0500

Spent my two years stateside and wouldn't ever refer to myself as a Viet Nam Vet, just an Era Vet. Period!

Response by Maj David BenJames made Dec 12 at 2021 12:49 PM

Maj David BenJames — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 12:49:08 -0500

I was in Nam three different operations, all were TDY Status, none PCS. My DD214 does not give me credit for my voluntary visits for those short in and out tours. But as a doctor, I saw enough blood that I feel comfortable with the title Vietnam Veteran.

Response by Sgt Ed Allen made Dec 12 at 2021 1:13 PM

Sgt Ed Allen — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:13:55 -0500

I am aware that there are some of my brothers who served during the Vietnam War who believe they should be referred to as a Vietnam Vet, but if they have any self respect or respect for those of us who 'walked the walk' they refuse to accept that title. A man may be in the delivery room and may be the coach but nothing he does affords him the title 'mother.' I will not play the equality game because not everyone has the pleasure of living with nightmares, flashbacks, intrusive thoughts, faces, smells and the hair on the back of the neck standing up from fright like we, who actually served in Vietnam, do.

Response by SSG Jim Campbell made Dec 12 at 2021 3:30 PM

SSG Jim Campbell — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 15:30:39 -0500

Ridiculous. Serving within Vietnam = Vietnam Vet. Serving elsewhere = Vet.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 12 at 2021 3:36 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 15:36:16 -0500

Is there some reason you can't just use their names?

Response by CPL Bert Lipari made Dec 12 at 2021 3:41 PM

CPL Bert Lipari — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 15:41:34 -0500

No. My father was a Viet Nam vet. Two tours. I was not. Tried to volunteer, but was during the draw down and I was denied. Therefore, I am not a Viet Nam vet.
I am still a vet but, not a Viet Nam vet. To claim such on my part, would be a disservice on his part. In my humble opinion.

Response by TSgt Walter Zumbrennen made Dec 12 at 2021 3:53 PM

TSgt Walter Zumbrennen — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 15:53:45 -0500

I am an era vet but do not consider myself to be a Vietnam vet because I was never there. When I was in Tech School about half of us went to Nam and I ended up in Turkey. In some ways I wish I would have gone to Nam. I put that in my Dream sheet that I filled out in Tech School but never went. I am also a Desert Storm Era Vet but never went over there so I do not consider myself a vet of that either. I retired after 20 (1973 to 1993) and consider myself a Verteran but not of any wars during the 20 years.

Response by SFC Paul Smith made Dec 12 at 2021 5:42 PM

SFC Paul Smith — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 17:42:30 -0500

No, absolutely not

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Dec 12 at 2021 8:30 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 20:30:56 -0500

I agree with CPT Durish that anyone who served in that time had a chance of being sent to Vietnam. Ad yes, unfortunately we all had occasion to get verbal abuse from anti-war protestors. Some of the soldiers in my Basic Combat Training class at Fort Leonard Wood did go to Vietnam after MOS-specific training. Although I served in that time frame, I don't expect to be called a Vietnam Vet because I did not serve in Vietnam. Seems pretty simple to me.

Response by Robert Jewkes made Dec 13 at 2021 6:46 AM

Robert Jewkes — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 06:46:07 -0500

Stationed at home or abroad even in other countries besides Vietnam, Still Vets noo doubt, In certain cases we can say Vietnam Vets e.i. when identifying the war they are vets from. Other times Calling them Vietnam Vets holds a bad connotation even if it's not meant that way. My Uncle John had protesters put a crowbar throw his knee while he was on guard duty.

Response by PO1 Frank Reiffenstein made Dec 13 at 2021 7:43 AM

PO1 Frank Reiffenstein — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 07:43:29 -0500

I was talking to a Vietnam Vet awhile back , he asked if I was a Vietnam Vet, I told him I went in the Navy in Sept. 74 and I wasn't sure. He said absolutely I was. That being said,I don't wear a hat or shirt that says that. I consider myself a Gulf war veteran.
While in high school I was in AFJROTC and yes we were even called baby killers. We were treated well in the area where I lived.

Response by PO3 Steven Taylor made Dec 13 at 2021 11:06 AM

PO3 Steven Taylor — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 11:06:30 -0500

Nah, I was in the Navy on the east coast. Nothing to do with Viet Nam. That's a distinction earned, not given.

Response by SGT Jim Weger made Dec 13 at 2021 11:41 AM

SGT Jim Weger — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 11:41:01 -0500

I too served in Germany from 1973-1976. I refer to myself as Vietnam Era.

Response by SSG Douglas Espinosa made Dec 13 at 2021 12:11 PM

SSG Douglas Espinosa — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:11:24 -0500

I feel if you didn't serve in Vietnam, then you are not a Vietnam vet. Just like during my service, if you didn't service in Iraq, you are not a Iraq vet, same with Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc. However, that being said, I have the utmost respect for anyone that signed the dotted line. No matter where you served. I appreciate all of you.

Response by SGT Jacob Helms made Dec 13 at 2021 4:20 PM

SGT Jacob Helms — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 16:20:06 -0500

I’m a Vietnam Era Vet. Not a Vietnam Vet. I was never in country. Yet we are or we’re lumped together because of the times and culture I guess.

Response by SP5 Joe Hiddenname made Dec 13 at 2021 4:42 PM

SP5 Joe Hiddenname — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 16:42:29 -0500

Unlesss somebody asks, I'll never bring up that I was in the service let alone serving in Vietnam. It's all too little too late.

Response by Cpl Robert Robertson made Dec 13 at 2021 6:24 PM

Cpl Robert Robertson — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 18:24:20 -0500

If they were in the Nam yes otherwise no. simple

Response by LTC Patrick Turner made Dec 14 at 2021 2:33 PM

LTC Patrick Turner — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:33:57 -0500

Broadly the name VIETNAM VETS is for a reason: you or they served in Vietnam or damned close to it.

The phrase for individuals that served BUT did not go to Vietnam is the much more appropriate “Vietnam Era Veteran”. That’s hits the target for me.

Response by SP5 Carl Hollander made Dec 16 at 2021 5:05 PM

SP5 Carl Hollander — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 17:05:45 -0500

Vietnam Vets have a Vietnam service medal or and Expeditionary medal for Vietnam service.

Response by PO2 Karl Walden made Dec 25 at 2021 11:28 AM

PO2 Karl Walden — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 11:28:28 -0500

As a Vietnam vet I feel they should not be called “Vietnam vets” but should be proud for serving during one of the most turbulent eras of American history. These men and women of this time could have been called up to nam at any time but weren’t. Be proud of being a “Vietnam-era vet”

Response by GySgt John Buettner made Jan 3 at 2022 1:43 PM

GySgt John Buettner — Mon, 03 Jan 2022 13:43:45 -0500

US Marine on the DMZ. I have a Combat Action Ribbon (like who doesn't).
So where do we put the demarc point? Must have a CAR or Combat Infantryman's Badge?
Must have carried a rifle? Ah, do helicopters count? How about the blue water Navy just offshore? Brown water and dirt Navy only? Get my drift???
Give me a break.
If you served during the Vietnam War, you can call yourself a Vietnam Vet, like I could care.
Just don't wear fake ribbons and talk about shit you didn't do is all I ask.

Response by CH (MAJ) Eric Dye made Jan 12 at 2022 9:10 AM

CH (MAJ) Eric Dye — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 09:10:24 -0500

It has been the same in most every modern conflict. Do we call all military service members in during the Korean conflict Korean War veterans? I served with 2-37 Armor Battalion in Germany when DS/DS took place. We got everything ready to deploy with our Brigade; then, the Commander told us in formation one day to take all our gear back to where they belong we had a change of mission. For the next six months as 7th Corps deployed, unit by unit out of Germany; our battalion with other sister infantry battalion went the the training centers in Germany (we went to Graf) and armored units in the Corps; when their gear was loaded and gone from home station; moved to Graf and we (with other Armor and Infantry organizations) ran ranges, let other soldiers mount our tanks, APCs and warfighting systems, practice maneuvers, shoot practice and qualifying rounds on our weapons systems. Our soldiers ran the ranges; cooked, hauled chow all over; drew and issued the ammo used; provided medical support for injuries, first aid training and personal health prep for deployment; our maintainers drew parts, repaired and kept equip operational; LTs and NCOs took charge acted as provisional company commanders and 1SGs running all these missions; etc,, etc, etc. All operating 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, non-stop.
Then, at some point when "the powers that be" predicted we might take a large number of casualties in the first week of combat (that is the figure tossed around in the soldier rumor mill in Germany); it was decided in Washington to recall soldiers in certain MOSs out of the IRR (19Ks and 11Bs mainly but others, for sure); and send them to various places like Graf, Hohenfels, Fort Irwin and others I'm not aware of; form them into crews and send them through three weeks of personal and crew served weapons training, first aid, etc. etc. etc. to use as replacement crews downrange for weapons systems still operational whose soldiers were wounded or killed. I met another old soldier who was in an artillery unit at the VA who said his BN in Germany did the same thing in Bad Kreuznach. So, that is what we did from August-til the stand down cease fire order in Kuwait/Iraq came from Pres Bush. My point is some soldiers in those locations worked 24 hours a day for almost six months in round the clock operations. I do not demean or diminish those who went and did what they trained to do so well; or all those soldiers we trained who never had to make that journey. But, I like to say we fought a six month war; while others fought a five day war.
Every conflict has people who went and others who worked to send them; and who chooses which unit you serve in? Some personnel person in PERSCOM or DC somewhere. I remember one of my Armor Branch officers; XO for our Battalion; the day before the actual ground war began; I was sitting in his office late one night reviewing what was going on among all those IRR troops, our soldiers, etc. He looked at me and said: "The greatest Armored conflict in history is about to begin; and I won't be in it." It was a career moment; when one realizes others will do what we all at that time wanted to be a part of; but would not be allowed to because of someone else's decision. So, what does one do? We soldier on and do what you always do as a soldier; train and be ready when it is our turn to be called upon to do what we do and do it to the best of your ability.
I salute those who went to Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan and a whole lot of other places in this world to do what their country trained them to do over the past several decades. They are my brothers and sister in service.
So, while I and our 660 mounted warriors did not all get to go and take part in all that went on with DS/DS. We did not choose not to go; we had our orders and doing the next thing was what we did. We too have no medal or distinction of being recognized with a combat patch or service medal; but that is the way it is. Am I, are 2/37 Armor soldiers, DS/DS Veterans? After 28 years of service; am I also and OIF/OEF/Just Cause/Enduring Freedom, etc. veteran? For me, it was my privilege to serve with you all; and I thank God and pray he will continue to give us people who will take up the task for us all in the future.

Response by SGT Jamie Bilbrey made Jan 18 at 2022 9:13 AM

SGT Jamie Bilbrey — Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:13:44 -0500

This would be like Johnny Cash claiming to be a Korean War Vet. He served from 1950-1954. He made it VERY CLEAR he was not a WAR VET he was a Vet from a TIME OF WAR. He had a clear distinction of the two. He was USAF serving in Germany during those years intercepting and translating Morse Code coming out of Germany through the Iron Current. He made it very clear he felt he did his part, during that period of time but it was on a totally different front. It’s also like calling “Activated National Guard members OIF or OEF Vets just because they got “Activated” and “Deployed” to Louisiana during and after Katrina. And I HAVE seen Vets trying to claim “Deployment Status” and feeling they are Combat Vets just because it was during that period of time.

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Jan 18 at 2022 6:23 PM

SSG Ken Potts — Tue, 18 Jan 2022 18:23:14 -0500

Absolutely not, if they didn't go, they're not a Vietnam Vet.

Response by SGT Eric Barr made Jan 19 at 2022 4:03 PM

SGT Eric Barr — Wed, 19 Jan 2022 16:03:00 -0500

Let me start by saying I did a tour in Afghanistan as an infantryman. My platoon went outside the wire 1-3 times daily for day patrols, nighttime operations and QRF. I personally think there should be a difference between those that are constantly in the sh*t, those that primarily stay inside the wire, and definitely those that never entered the country.

Response by PFC Ron Britt made Jan 19 at 2022 8:47 PM

PFC Ron Britt — Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:47:10 -0500

They should be considered Vietnam Vets! What about us Gulf Era vets? Or the veterans that served in Korea? “Vets signed a blank check”, knowing they might not come home to see their loved ones again, and some of them came home to find out they have a hard time adapting to civilian life. Just because a veteran did not see action doesn’t mean he or she needs to be shunned by people or our Veteran Administration like me and many others. If the troop in question was dishonorably discharged, they need as much help as the one who received every medal that they could.

Response by SGT Keith Duner made Jan 19 at 2022 8:50 PM

SGT Keith Duner — Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:50:28 -0500

No. Respect to all who served anywhere but the answer is clear….No

Response by Cpl Larry Jefferson made Jan 19 at 2022 8:56 PM

Cpl Larry Jefferson — Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:56:57 -0500

YES WITH RESPECT

Response by Cpl Larry Jefferson made Jan 19 at 2022 8:58 PM

Cpl Larry Jefferson — Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:58:48 -0500

I TO AM A VIETNAM VET. WE SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE BRAVE SOLDERS.

Response by SPC Danny Barnes made Jan 19 at 2022 9:35 PM

SPC Danny Barnes — Wed, 19 Jan 2022 21:35:15 -0500

I served in the US Army in 1963-66 in West Germany. I am a veteran specifically Cold War Veteran. It's an insult to claim being a Vietnam Era veteran to all who served in Vietnam during those years & especially those who never returned.

Response by SPC Jim M. made Jan 19 at 2022 10:10 PM

SPC Jim M. — Wed, 19 Jan 2022 22:10:52 -0500

I think that you had to be "in country" to be called a Vietnam Vet (on the ground, in the air, or off the coast). Yes, if you were in the service during those years you supported the mission in Vietnam . I was stationed in Korea from Dec. 1966 through May 1968 and again from Dec. 1968 through Jul 1969, as a dog handler. During that time was in numerous fire-fights and walked through areas that were sprayed with AO. I am an era vet.

Response by SSG Don Williams made Jan 20 at 2022 7:11 AM

SSG Don Williams — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 07:11:15 -0500

I feel that if you were in Vietnam that you are considered to be a Vietnam vet otherwise you are a Vietnam era veteran.

Response by CPL Joseph Langone made Jan 20 at 2022 7:56 AM

CPL Joseph Langone — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 07:56:40 -0500

Only If you were in a combat zone during that Period

Response by SPC Roland Bigby made Jan 20 at 2022 12:14 PM

SPC Roland Bigby — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 12:14:38 -0500

“Those who matter don’t mind, and those who mind don’t matter”

Response by SPC Roland Bigby made Jan 20 at 2022 12:50 PM

SPC Roland Bigby — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 12:50:14 -0500

“Those who matter don’t mind, and those who mind don’t matter”

Response by PO1 Kevin Goldston made Jan 20 at 2022 2:40 PM

PO1 Kevin Goldston — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:40:42 -0500

If you were awarded the Vietnam Service Medal or a Campaign Medal, you are a ‘Nam Vet. Other wise you didn't earn the T-Shirt. Are you embarassed to be a 'Nam era vet? I didn't eat the dirt, dive in the rice patties, but I was on active duty in the atlantic and the Med., But I am NOT a Vietnam vet.

Response by PO2 A J O made Jan 20 at 2022 3:56 PM

PO2 A J O — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 15:56:19 -0500

Absolutely! I was trained as a Field Medic (FMF) with the USN and although I was Not Selected to go to V-N I was however assigned to the Fleet Marine Force and embedded with the Marine Detachment of the Command Ship Sixth Fleet.... Was I prepared and Trained for V-N, YES, did the Navy train me to serve with the Marines, YES, did they send me to V-N, NO, and yet I served Honorably and willingly those who did and I also served as a Corpsman to those who had been injured in V-N!! My years of Service were 1969-1972 and then 3 Yrs in Active Reserve status.!! So, am I a V-N Vet Dam Straight I am!!

Response by SrA Bob Jasinski made Jan 20 at 2022 9:35 PM

SrA Bob Jasinski — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 21:35:13 -0500

I don’t think it is right to group together the Combat Veterans with those who were safe at home without a care in the world for their safety. I served in the AOR during the Gulf War and would not be supportive of calling Military Members that remained Stateside Gulf War Era Veterans. There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

Response by Sgt Andy Savvidou made Jan 21 at 2022 5:41 PM

Sgt Andy Savvidou — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 17:41:09 -0500

That's a tough question in regard to Viet Nam Veterans and Vietnam Era Veterans. I participated in Operation Frequent Wind and Operation Eagle Pull 1974 Evacuation of Vietnam with my comrades in arms, Marine Squadron HMH-462 on board the USS Okinawa LPH-3 I felt that I would have been justified in calling myself a Viet Nam Veteran I felt unworthy of calling myself Vietnam Vet. I did not touch ground so to speak, I could not claim that title. I proudly call myself a Viet Nam Era VET.

Response by SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret made Jan 21 at 2022 8:36 PM

SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:36:46 -0500

Sorry Guys - If you did not serve in Vietnam during the war you are not a Vietnam Vet.

Response by LCpl John Carr made Jan 21 at 2022 8:55 PM

LCpl John Carr — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:55:06 -0500

I have a brother-in-law who served in the Army in United Kingdom and sometimes says he is a Vietnam Vet. Not cool and sometimes want to bust his arse; however, i need to honor him for serving our country in his own capacity. (He was a hell of an aircraft repairman.) But at Thanksfiving dinners I am the only Vietnam Vet at the table!! 1/2 1967-1970 2nd North of Danang. South of hell.

Response by Sgt Mike Lameyer Sr. made Jan 21 at 2022 9:09 PM

Sgt Mike Lameyer Sr. — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 21:09:33 -0500

YES! For sure.

Response by SFC Dewaine Holster made Jan 22 at 2022 12:42 PM

SFC Dewaine Holster — Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:42:57 -0500

No absolutely not, if you were not there, you do not deserve the distinction of being a Viet Nam Vet. Viet Name was never declared a War, it was only officially a "Police Action". I spent three years in the 3rd Armored Division in Germany 1974 to 1977 during the Cold War. We did receive the same abuse as the Viet Nam Veterans.
The only distinction we received was the Nation Defense Service Ribbon and the Overseas Metal. I ask why did we upload all of our M60A1's with ammunition about 1976. That was then the standard.

Response by SPC Chuck Daly made Jan 22 at 2022 5:00 PM

SPC Chuck Daly — Sat, 22 Jan 2022 17:00:28 -0500

A Vietnam Veteran had boots on the ground or served in adjacent seas during America's support of the Republic of Vietnam. That person was awarded a Vietnam Service Medal. If a person does not have that, does not have Vietnam service listed on his/her DD-214, that person is not a Vietnam Veteran.

Response by LTC Richard Perkins made Jan 23 at 2022 12:06 AM

LTC Richard Perkins — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 00:06:54 -0500

You have to have been in country to be a Viet Nam vet.

Response by CPT David Hammett made Jan 23 at 2022 9:49 AM

CPT David Hammett — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 09:49:11 -0500

In our touchy-feelie, pasteurized, homogenized, participation trophy 2022 world, we try to make sure no one gets their feelings hurt over anything. And those who served in the "Era" but not in-country may have had no choice where they served.
Nonetheless, they are NOT RVN veterans.
If they want a participation medal for being in the "Era", that's their choice.
What's next, give everyone a CIB because they MIGHT have been there?
I honor ALL vets of that "Era", because they MIGHT have cowered to Canada instead. But they didn't. They stayed and ran their chances. If order took them to RVN or Germany or stateside, they're still VETERANS, just NOT "Vietnam Vets".
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2022 11:28 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:28:41 -0500

My dad was drafted into a combat tour in the 4th infantry in 1968 and he would say how even the WWII vets would treat him like garbage saying "they fought the real war" not to mention what the civilians would say. I think he would have preferred to be called nothing at all.

Response by James Rush made Jan 23 at 2022 1:50 PM

James Rush — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 13:50:25 -0500

May 1966 to may1968. SGT E-5 worked as a drill instructor , was on a levy every month post always revoked same as they were so short of cadre
I consider myself as a nam era vet,not a nam vet

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Jan 23 at 2022 2:05 PM

1SG Harold Piet — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 14:05:51 -0500

20 years, no combat tour, I am a vet and seek no glory, proud that I could serve my country and fellow vets that did go downrange. I don't want or need a ribbon.

Response by SP5 Gary Perkins made Jan 23 at 2022 2:26 PM

SP5 Gary Perkins — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 14:26:16 -0500

30 years from now when they are looking for alive veterans to reverence, you will be honored as a Vietnam Veteran in country or not just like WWII and Korean Veterans! Would you ask a WWII vet if they were combat! No… well we’ll exclude you! BS! Get over the difference and be grateful we are still alive!! I played in the band stateside so I’m an “ERA”!!!! Petty shit!!

Response by 1SG Jimmy Bacon made Jan 23 at 2022 4:03 PM

1SG Jimmy Bacon — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:03:44 -0500

Vietnam Vets and Vietnam Era Vets are two different breads and deservingly so. During the Vietnam War I graduated from basic and AIT and never deployed to the Far East. I ended stationed at Fort Sill Oklahoma and trained Artillery to those that did deploy. So, am I a Vietnam Vet? No I am not but I am a Vietnam Era Vet and damn proud of it.

Response by CPT William Pearson made Jan 23 at 2022 4:04 PM

CPT William Pearson — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:04:45 -0500

My feelings are anyone who served is a veteran, however, combat veterans are different as having the enemy trying to kill you puts your body in situations that non- combat veterans don’t experience.

Response by LTC Richard Wasserman made Jan 23 at 2022 4:30 PM

LTC Richard Wasserman — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:30:56 -0500

I am a Viet Nam Era Vet and I do NOT consider myself a Viet Nam Viet. But, I am a Combat Vet in that a served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, along with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Jan 23 at 2022 5:44 PM

SPC Arthur Lowder — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 17:44:24 -0500

NO,???

Response by PFC Stephen Trynosky made Jan 23 at 2022 7:26 PM

PFC Stephen Trynosky — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:26:44 -0500

I was in Missouri so I proudly say, to this day, not a single VC crossed the Mississippi on my watch. OF COURSE I am NOT a Viet-nam vet and I disabuse anybody of that notion immediately. I respect and hold in awe any combat vet, draftee or volunteer. Even the rear echelon stood a chance of catching a 122MM rocket not to mention guys like my friend Bob Walker, who were technically not combat MOS's but got dragged out to the boonies when things got rough.

Response by 1LT Peter Duston made Jan 23 at 2022 8:11 PM

1LT Peter Duston — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 20:11:41 -0500

We refer to WWII vets as WWII Vets whether they served in combat or not. Same with Korean War. Why should Vietnam be any different? Some people trained troops headed over and supported them on the return. As a Vietnam era veteran, if it's important, I clarify that I am a Vietnam Era vet mostly with actual "in-country" Vietnam veterans. The Vietnam War is such ancient history that most people, don't care about the difference, anyway.

Response by 1SG Frank Girona made Jan 23 at 2022 10:43 PM

1SG Frank Girona — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 22:43:45 -0500

What nonsense.. I was there on Aug 68 with the Charlie Company, First Bn, 20th Infantry, 11th Infantry Bde 23rd Infantry Division.. the investigation of the My Lai massacre lasted until Nov 1970.
All soldiers ASSIGNED IN VIETNAM WERE NOT MURDERS.

Response by MSG William Wold made Jan 23 at 2022 11:37 PM

MSG William Wold — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 23:37:42 -0500

I am a Vietnam Veteran, I AM at 60% by VA, however I did a career both in the Active ARMY and a lot in the Reserves. I feel with boots on the ground I am a Vietnam Veteran, if you were in during that time period your a Vietnam Era veteran. Then there's the pissing contest inside the Vietnam Vets on combat or non combat which is BS. I was in watercraft transportation running a squad boat. I had 9 to 12 fully combat 11B's in my boat, 20 foot fiberglass with no armor, running up river or harbor dropping them off, so where they were, so was I. MOS meant tidally squat when the shooting started. Every single person in the military had a chance to be sent there voluntarily or not.
I had 7 other classmates went in the military. Two went to Korea, one went to Germany. Four others and myself went to Vietnam, two of us came home upright walking. One came home in a box, one came home pretty badly shot up, another one, missing jaw, a lung, and full of shrapnel. Wasn't supposed to live more than a few years, fooled them he made it to 2010. A girl that joined and actually did a career, and myself, are currently the only two left alive that went in the military from our small class of only 74 students.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Jan 24 at 2022 10:49 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:49:01 -0500

Your a vet. any other distinction is merely personal. Everyone that was a WWII Veteran was not on the Ground in Germany or Japan. The distinction is not required in my book if anyone wants to know if i fought in a certain country then they are welcome to ask. Nothing to be ashamed of you did not select to go in country you were under orders to go where you were sent. Many people opted boots on the Ground in Vietnam and were refused, some didn't want to go and were sent. It is the same with every War/battle we have ever been in you were assigned for the good of the Military.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Jan 24 at 2022 11:05 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 11:05:33 -0500

You are a Veteran.! Any other distinction is merely personal. WWII Veterans were vet's, weather they had boots on the ground or not you were and are not WWII Germany vet's, WWII Japan vet's or WWII other's vet's, you were a Veteran.

Don't be afraid of being honest and tell people the truth of what you done.

You went where you were ordered to go. You done what you were told to do.
When asked i simply say i had no boots on the ground in Vietnam. I went to several assignments that most do not know we had Soldiers, I find no need to tell folks unless they ask where i was stationed at.

Response by Col Tracy Spencer made Jan 24 at 2022 1:22 PM

Col Tracy Spencer — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:22:24 -0500

Hell no! It’s not okay to claim that you are a Vietnam veteran if you only saw Vietnam on television. Next they will be demanding a campaign medal!

Response by MSgt Gene Jine made Jan 24 at 2022 1:40 PM

MSgt Gene Jine — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:40:54 -0500

You were a Vietnam War Era Vet. In some way, regardless you were contributing & supporting in country vets. Be Proud.!!!

Response by Sgt Ronald Sires made Jan 24 at 2022 7:39 PM

Sgt Ronald Sires — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:39:20 -0500

I spent my year in the blood, dust, and swamps. Charley & the NVA did not care about my life. I was just one more invader. I am thanked regularly for my service where I live. My father-in-law served in Germany and saw himself as a Vietnam Era Vet. I served with boots on the ground in-country and I am a Vietnam Vet, not Vietnam Era Vet.

Response by SPC Cleveland Norton Jr. made Jan 25 at 2022 12:18 AM

SPC Cleveland Norton Jr. — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:18:52 -0500

Let me clearly state that I am a real U.S.Army veteran of the Vietnam war, having served with the 1st Cavalry Division, Battery B,2nd Bn, 20th Arty, from October 1968 to October 1969.Our firebase was in -country. We had the original AH 1G Cobras. Our call sign was "Blue Max". It is improper usage of the English language to call anyone a Vietnam veteran, unless that person is a Vietnamese born citizen or their parents are Vietnamese citizens.Yes,most everyone takes a short cut and uses the phrase Vietnam veteran without thinking about it, because of the American propensity to abbreviate our language as much as possible. As far as I'm concerned, if you were in Laos, Cambodia, Thailand or flying missions from an aircraft carrier in the Gulf of Tonkin, you were a veteran of the Vietnam War as much as I was.

Response by SSgt James Welle made Jan 25 at 2022 1:04 AM

SSgt James Welle — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 01:04:02 -0500

I was an Aircraft Loadmaster on C-130’s with over 1,400 combat sorties (take off and land in-country)we airdropped supplies daily during the battle of Khe Sanh sometimes 3-5 ft off the ground, made three crash landings due to ground fire at Khe Sanh and we were always subject to ground fire every day we flew, but we had it easy compared to the Army and Marines and I would never compare my service to what they had to endure. For someone to get a medal for being a Vietnam Era Veteran just doesn’t seem right…I didn’t almost go to Vietnam, close doesn’t count. When I go to the VA Hospital and see Vets that lost limbs or had life changing injuries it makes get emotional because I know what they went through as I’ve seen much of it first hand, transported literally 100’s of body bags and participated in PTSD group therapy for years and heard stories from the other branches of Service. They all earned those ribbons that they proudly wore and you don’t hear about “Vietnam Era” Vets taking their lives daily. There’s a saying about war you are probably familiar with, “If you’ve been to war, you don’t have to explain it, if you’ve never been to war, you can’t explain it”. You were either there or you weren’t!

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Jan 25 at 2022 2:19 AM

SFC Rollie Hubbard — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 02:19:26 -0500

I was in Vietnam and when I came home I was egged and called a baby killer and some other names. Was not right I never killed anyone over there.

Response by SPC Neil Reynolds made Jan 25 at 2022 4:18 AM

SPC Neil Reynolds — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 04:18:12 -0500

There is a difference and it's hard to prove but I think I know how it could be done if some organization spent the time and money and political capital to get it done. It's known the the whole large group of Vietnam Era Vetreans, Vietnam Theater Veterans, and In-Country Veterans have had a higher death rate than that for similar non-veterans since we returned to the World. AO has something to do with it but there are almost certainly other reasons. Nobody has broken it down to see if the rate increases the closer you get to combat veterans. If there is a true difference between groups, it will show up in post-Vietnam death rates. If you were a grunt or medic, you almost certainly came out with PTSD and that is linked to major depression and that leads to high rates of suicide and dangerous behaviors and mortal diseases. Other MOS and other stations didn't exempt you from death and destruction and the military has been inherently more dangerous everywhere at all times. If there's some other way to do this without relying on anecdotal evidence, I would like to hear your thoughts.

Response by PO1 Victor Cotto made Jan 25 at 2022 5:34 AM

PO1 Victor Cotto — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 05:34:08 -0500

Only if they were 'In Country' should they be called Vietnam Vets.

Response by MSgt Wayne Owens made Jan 25 at 2022 12:48 PM

MSgt Wayne Owens — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:48:33 -0500

I was in during all of the Vietnam War but did not go there. I AM NOT A VIETNAM VET.

Response by SPC Francis Center made Jan 25 at 2022 8:52 PM

SPC Francis Center — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 20:52:51 -0500

A Vietnam vet is just what it says.He or she served in the Republic of Vietnam.Now I served from 1969 to 1975,but never went to Vietnam and I don’t consider myself as a Vietnam veteran.But I do consider myself as a Veitnam era veteran

Response by SN William Culotta made Jan 26 at 2022 4:32 AM

SN William Culotta — Wed, 26 Jan 2022 04:32:47 -0500

I Served in Vietnam in 1968 and, although I was totally against this war, I served in Vietnam! Pure and simple, although other's who served during Vietnam, are a Vietnam Era Vets. I believe I have different ribbons! Case Closed? I would like to be straitened out on this matter?
Bill Culotta
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Response by 1SG Dave Carello made Jan 26 at 2022 9:46 AM

1SG Dave Carello — Wed, 26 Jan 2022 09:46:39 -0500

The simple and accurate answer is NO. If you didn't serve on the ground in Vietnam or, its Air and Naval Missions you are NOT a Vietnam Veteran Period. To claim Vietnam Veteran Status if you are NOT a Vietnam Veteran is tantamount to "Stolen valor". Why would anyone want to proclaim themselves as a Vietnam Veteran if they are NOT a Vietnam Veteran? I really don't even agree with the nebulous moniker "Vietnam Era Veteran". Is not the venerable title VETERAN sufficient.

Response by CW4 Wayne Walusiak made Jan 26 at 2022 10:01 AM

CW4 Wayne Walusiak — Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:01:12 -0500

I treat Vets as Vets! - Dont care where you were, what you did or didnt do. Have yet to meet a 'supply clerk' who was there... just saying... Unless youre trying to scam me for a free drink, we all have our stories to tell. Those who were there can tell pretty quick if YOU were there. If you were in Germany, Thule, or wherever, you still did your job. Thanks for serving.

Response by SPC Gerald Ponkey made Jan 26 at 2022 11:00 AM

SPC Gerald Ponkey — Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:00:44 -0500

I served in Germany from 60 to 62. I prefer being called Vietnam Era Vet. To be called a Vietnam Vet would be an insult to those actually served there.

Response by TSgt Melvin Mitchell made Jan 26 at 2022 12:10 PM

TSgt Melvin Mitchell — Wed, 26 Jan 2022 12:10:03 -0500

Just as stupid as people wanting to be called "African Americans" or "Italian Americans" or and other special designation. They are VETERANS just like all of us born in the USA are AMERICANS. I DO NOT want to be called by any special designation based on any of the campaigns or deployments that I participated in during my 20 years of service.

Response by PO3 Kathy Getchey made Jan 26 at 2022 12:39 PM

PO3 Kathy Getchey — Wed, 26 Jan 2022 12:39:13 -0500

Anyone in the military in that time was treated with contempt and derision, whether in country or not. But Vietnam Vet should be a singular distinction: they lived through the nightmare, and ERA vets should respect and support them.

Response by MAJ Carl Owen made Jan 26 at 2022 12:50 PM

MAJ Carl Owen — Wed, 26 Jan 2022 12:50:46 -0500

I think it should be Vietnam Vet if you went to Vietnam and Vietnam Era Vet if you didn't. But I agree with other responses. I enlisted in 1975 and the first ten years of my career you got harassed if you were in uniform. I still have a chip on my shoulder when I see all these non-serving puke maggots my age (I'm 66) draped in shirts, hats, do rag etc made from the American flag telling me how they're better patriots because of the political party they belong.

Response by CPO Michael Hatten made Jan 26 at 2022 2:26 PM

CPO Michael Hatten — Wed, 26 Jan 2022 14:26:00 -0500

I call myself a Vietnam-era Vet. I had some tough duty but I always thought that the guys who had bullets flying at them in country had tougher duty -- tough enough to be differentiated from us guys who defended our country in less hazardous ways.

Response by Capt Robert Baker made Jan 27 at 2022 10:33 AM

Capt Robert Baker — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:33:37 -0500

Absolutely unambiguously NO. I have two first cousins several years older than me. One served in the US Army in Germany from 1967-'69. He was Motor-T and spent his time overseas assigned to a Colonel as his driver. Honorable service without question. He went where he was sent and performed his assigned duty well. The other enlisted in the US Marine Corps in 1967, and after completing the requisite training was sent to Delta Co, 1st Bn, 5th Marines in I Corps, in the Republic of Viet-Nam. He was all over the Arizona Territory, An Hoa, and was there during Tet where he fought at Hue City. Again, honorable service, he went where he was sent and did his duty just like the cousin I mentioned first. But therein lies the difference between a "Viet-Nam Era" Veteran and a Viet-Nam Veteran.

Response by FN Bryan Kimble made Jan 27 at 2022 12:57 PM

FN Bryan Kimble — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:57:29 -0500

About the time I was born until I was 9 to 11. Yes veterans who served during the Vietnam war should be called Vietnam Veterans, just as veterans of the WW wars, Persian Gulf or any other wars are know as veterans of those wars, why shouldn't veterans of the Vietnam war be called Vietnam Veterans. They served their country. The majority of military personnel who served did so by force of federal government, they did not want to be a part of the war. Sir, You Could also say that they just as veterans of previous wars served under slave rules being forced (by federal government) to do labor against their will.

Response by SPC Stele James made Jan 28 at 2022 9:00 AM

SPC Stele James — Fri, 28 Jan 2022 09:00:00 -0500

No if you did not go you do not know.

Response by Lt Col Doug Chapman made Jan 29 at 2022 10:50 PM

Lt Col Doug Chapman — Sat, 29 Jan 2022 22:50:13 -0500

Yes, there is a distinct difference for those who actually were in the SEA combat zone and those during that era that were stationed elsewhere. But those who did serve during that time frame or any time from 1945 until 1991, can claim credit as a Cold War veteran. A campaign medal was designed for the Cold War, but never issued for reasons too numerous to mention. While not in direct combat, the men and women of every service whether stationed in Europe to defend the Fulda Gap, sitting SAC bomber and missile alert as well as the US Navy “boomer” sub alert were key players in keeping the Cold War in check. Many of our citizens have forgotten or never heard of how the Cold War almost turned hot on October 6, 1973 with the surprise attack on Israel durning the Yom Kippur holy days. I’ll let those that are curious research the actual events. Bottom line is every member of the armed services provided and still provides for the defense if our nation. Some of us just never appeared on television in every American home during the 6 o’clock news reports every night.
Yes, there is a distinction.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Jan 30 at 2022 10:57 PM

SPC Lyle Montgomery — Sun, 30 Jan 2022 22:57:10 -0500

Only those who served in country in Vietnam should be called Vietnam vets, nomatter which branch of the service they were in or what they did. They had to spend time in country.I am a Vietnam combat vet and I feel strongly about this issue

Response by SFC Scott Parkhurst made Jan 31 at 2022 4:22 PM

SFC Scott Parkhurst — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 16:22:38 -0500

My thought is that anyone who served in any war wherever they where, is a Veteran to me...period. Because they (we) all did a service in one way or another to serve the cause in whatever MOS we did....

Response by CW3 Charles Morris made Jan 31 at 2022 11:16 PM

CW3 Charles Morris — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 23:16:15 -0500

Pretty easy for me, I'm only a Vietnam Era veteran, not a Vietnam veteran. If you didn't earn it, don't claim it.

Response by AN Jeffrey Backus made Feb 17 at 2022 10:53 PM

AN Jeffrey Backus — Thu, 17 Feb 2022 22:53:43 -0500

I am an era vet (72 - 76) & would never wear anything that had the in-country combat ribbon on it. All my in-country buddies would tell me I was nuts, because I served during that period. I finally found a "Vietnam Era Vet" hat, about 5 years ago, with the geedunk ribbon on the front, that I wear proudly. I don't feel I am a Viet Vet, but I am an Era Vet. I had no choice in where I served.

Response by MAJ Mike Kell made Feb 24 at 2022 8:04 AM

MAJ Mike Kell — Thu, 24 Feb 2022 08:04:04 -0500

I think we should called them Vietnam war Veterans. The distinction should be Vietnam Combat Veterans.

Response by PO3 David Keck made Feb 26 at 2022 1:28 PM

PO3 David Keck — Sat, 26 Feb 2022 13:28:53 -0500

As one of those that was on active duty at the end of the war, if someone ask I don't refer to myself as a Vietnam vet but as a clarification, the American Legion recognizes all who served honorably as a Vietnam vet even if like me, you served in the Atlantic fleet.

Response by Jim Miller made Feb 27 at 2022 12:31 AM

Jim Miller — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 00:31:23 -0500

I think the term "Vietnam Vet" refers to anyone that served in-country. "Vietnam-era Vet" refers to anyone that could have gone to Vietnam. For me, "Vietnam-era Vet" was what every soldier met when coming home.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Feb 27 at 2022 9:39 AM

SPC Vonnie Jones — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:39:29 -0500

Humm when I got out I was surprised to know that is what I was to be called? I did join during that Era, I saw a guy with Vietnam Era cap on the other day first time. Era points to a time frame, when I saw the guy with the hat on I know it meant he didn't go. I am not opposed to the title. Any vet that raised their right hand is giving over their life for the cause of peace and democracy. My thought about being called Vietnam Era vet are neither here nor there.

Response by SSG John J Accornero made Feb 28 at 2022 11:41 AM

SSG John J Accornero — Mon, 28 Feb 2022 11:41:11 -0500

NO, some say Vietnam Era on the Cap, NO thx.

Response by PO3 Andrew Earnest made Mar 11 at 2022 12:24 AM

PO3 Andrew Earnest — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 00:24:31 -0500

I was on the USS Coral Sea in the South China Sea on 30 April 1975 as we evacuated the South Vietnamese but I don't call myself a Vietnam War Veteran. By then nobody was shooting at us so we were a rescue mission. Not a combat mission.

Response by CPL Timothy Hooey made Mar 12 at 2022 3:51 PM

CPL Timothy Hooey — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 15:51:05 -0500

THERE ARE NOT WAR VETS.NEVER NEVER

Response by CPL Russell Coyne made Mar 16 at 2022 8:07 PM

CPL Russell Coyne — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 20:07:33 -0400

I am Vietnam Era vet, served in Army 1971 to 1974, with overseas duty in Korea. I am NOT a Vietnam Vet.

Response by SGT John Overby made Mar 17 at 2022 10:52 PM

SGT John Overby — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:52:46 -0400

I can count six times I could have been sent to Vietnam, but by the grace of God I was spared and sent to Ft. Riley, KS instead and participated in REFORGER II to Germany. I am a Vietnam era veteran and nothing more. Still proud to have served, but consider myself one lucky individual.

Response by PVT David Leach made Mar 18 at 2022 4:50 AM

PVT David Leach — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 04:50:20 -0400

Yes, the up front vets who died or lived to tell the story are vetnam vets. I think the vet in Alabama that packed their meals is a cog in the "conflicts" wheel. We were all a part of the war effort. We are vetnam vets.
Even "Rosie the riveter" was honored for taking the place of a man so he could go fight in WW2.
She never felt side lined or not part of the WW2 war effort.
Support comes in many ways, and without it you cannot servive up front. A Chaplin's aid that gives a soldier the courage to go to vetnam and fight is a vetnam vet.
David Leach

Response by SPC Brian Murphy made Mar 19 at 2022 1:42 AM

SPC Brian Murphy — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 01:42:17 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era Vet.....period

Response by CH (COL) Michael Malone made Mar 19 at 2022 11:53 AM

CH (COL) Michael Malone — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:53:16 -0400

My first enlistment was from '65-'68. My first overseas assignment was in Korea. I have never considered myself a Vietnam Veteran. In my opinion, only those who were actually in the Vietnam conflict are "Vietnam Veterans."

Response by SPC William Coyne made Mar 19 at 2022 12:12 PM

SPC William Coyne — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:12:17 -0400

To the question posed by SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD, Should Vietnam-era Vets be addressed as "Vietnam Vets"?, my reply is no. Whenever the subject of my service arises, I clearly make the distinction that I am NOT a Vietnam Vet; I am a Vietnam Era Vet. In my mind and heart there is a HUGE difference between bullets whizzing around my head, and sitting comfortably in an office thousands of miles away from any danger. I am honored to be privileged to stand in the shadow of any combat veteran, and humbled that they always befriend me as a fellow patriot.

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Mar 19 at 2022 12:48 PM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:48:36 -0400

Is this really a concern?

Should Vietnam era citizens be addressed as veterans because they had a chance of being drafted?

Response by SrA George Nahm made Mar 19 at 2022 3:55 PM

SrA George Nahm — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:55:57 -0400

I think everyone who served durring the VietNam War era but did not go to southeast Asia should be aloud to be addressed as VietNam veterans. I did not go overseas. I was stationed stateside and was called all the names associated with anyone who was stationed in Southeast Asia. I got spit on while in uniform and treated like a criminal. I possibly was exposed to Agent Orange with most of the symtomes but cannot prove where I get exposed. I served from 1969 to 1973.

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Mar 19 at 2022 6:47 PM

MGySgt Rick Tyrrell — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 18:47:19 -0400

No! A Vet is a Vet. The conflict does provide you special privileges to get a special title. It can come up in conversation and that’s all

Response by Maj Ed Mann made Mar 20 at 2022 11:02 AM

Maj Ed Mann — Sun, 20 Mar 2022 11:02:40 -0400

I say no. Anyone who served in those years was exposed, but if they didn't actually go, then no. I was on active duty during the first Gulf War, but I would never call myself a Gulf War veteran.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 20 at 2022 4:46 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Sun, 20 Mar 2022 16:46:20 -0400

ONLY Vietnam Vets Should Even Be ALLOWED To Even Say They're VIETNAM Vets, The Rest Of Us Should Strongly Simply State "Vet"..... We Weren't In Vietnam And We Should Be Obvious About It.... I Have A Very Close Friend, THOMAS WESTLY CROFF, Whom WAS a Vietnam COMBAT Soldier With The 101 St Airborne Infantry & Was Injured In Two Tours... He Holds A Purple With A Cluster ... HE'S A VIETNAM VET.... And I HIGHLY Honor Every One Of YOU Also ..... I Served From My 17 th Birthday 06/29/1961 - 0610/65 And I'm A Vietnam ERA Vet. I Respect All Of You Whom Really ARE "Vietnam Vets" I Respect That Title... And I'll ALWAYS Love & Respect You For Serving With Such A Highly Respected Status
...MEN? Thanks AGAIN.....I Salute All Of You.. !!

Response by SPC Anthony Zongaro made Mar 20 at 2022 6:00 PM

SPC Anthony Zongaro — Sun, 20 Mar 2022 18:00:44 -0400

Truthfully, I feel that wherever your boot are on the ground you contributed to the war effort. What about airmen who were stationed in Thailand on the ground-close enough? In 1969 I had my orders changed from Vietnam to Germany only 2 weeks before I completed FDR training at Ft. Sill. I think that Vietnam Era Vets is a more appropriate designation than Vietnam War Vets for those who weren't actually stationed in Nam but contributed to the war effort. I myself would rather have the designation Cold War Vet, but that's just me. The mid range US -NATO missile bases all along the Iron Curtain, made the Soviet Bloc countries think long and hard before starting anything. They allowed the US to concentrate their efforts elsewhere. They pulled the bases out --and look at what is happening now.
Anthony Zongaro, former Senior Security Agent, SASCOM

Response by Sgt Jim Mullins made Mar 21 at 2022 12:48 PM

Sgt Jim Mullins — Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:48:07 -0400

I served as Marine in Chu Lai Vietnam 1965/66 . When I/we came home people at the airports booed us and one older lady spit on me. We were advised by the USMC not to wear our uniforms but all of us wore our uniforms.

Response by CDR R. Mark Lusted made Mar 21 at 2022 1:01 PM

CDR R. Mark Lusted — Mon, 21 Mar 2022 13:01:10 -0400

I got a real shot of inspiration this weekend when I got to meet one of the Vietnamese interpreters who worked with the Marines in combat during the war in Vietnam. He did a lot of interdiction operations along the Ho Chi Minh Trail; much of it undercover. After the U.S. pulled out, he was arrested and thrown into a re-education camp for 7 years. The first three months of his "stay" in the re-education camp he was in a bamboo box. He has the scars where he was bitten by lice and had to wear shackles and manacles. His wife and children didn't know where he was or if he was alive for the entire 7 years. He survived and came to the U.S. in 1996, and he loves the U.S. with an intensity I have not seen in a long time. He wears a Vietnam Veteran ballcap with a huge amount of pride. We swapped ballcaps... I gave him my submarine ball cap. I will tell you that I will never wear his Vietnam Vet ballcap - even though he gave it to me - because I did not earn it. But I have put it in a place of honor in my home. I choose not to dishonor his service or the service of others that served in Vietnam by wearing something that implies that I served there.
Vietnam Era Vet is not the same as Vietnam Vet. Still, someone can claim that distinction if they wish to...nothing stopping them. However, I will tell you, that if I run into someone claiming the be a Vietnam Vet who didn't serve in the Vietnam conflict, my reaction is one of mild disgust. For those of you who did serve in that conflict, I'm humbled by what you went through, and I offer a very heartfelt "Thank you for your service!"

Response by MAJ Richard Cheek made Mar 21 at 2022 3:55 PM

MAJ Richard Cheek — Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:55:28 -0400

Well I served on the Korean DMZ during this time. I was awarded the CIB there. On the 50th anniversary of the Vietnam war at the annual AUSA meeting the ausa sergeant major gave me a pin and told me same war different front. I’ve never felt comfortable with being Called a Vietnam vet. When people ask me where I got my CIB I tell them I am a combat veteran of the Vietnam era but I was never in Vietnam I was on the DMZ.

Response by SP5 Keith Salamy made Mar 22 at 2022 4:00 PM

SP5 Keith Salamy — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:00:26 -0400

Whats wrong with just veteran? Why do we always have to label everything? I'm from africa and in not black am I still an african american? Not in america in not

Response by CWO4 Carmine Mezzacappa made Mar 22 at 2022 9:32 PM

CWO4 Carmine Mezzacappa — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 21:32:14 -0400

YN3 Carmine Mezzacappa served aboard the USS MONMOUTH COUNTY LST 1032 Viet Nam 66-67, Viet-Nam Veteran, Retired, Navy, CWO4.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2022 11:28 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 23:28:22 -0400

I served in Iraq in 05-06 and 07-08. I am fine being called an OIF vet. I also served 1 deployment in support of OEF and 1 in support of OIR. I do not consider myself a vet of the Syrian or Afghani conflicts. I hold all vets in high regard. For instance, those maintained the state of readiness for the US during the Cold War deserve no less respect than those who served in combat zones. A person who thinks they are better than someone else just because they served in combat and the other person did not is a douche bag. That being said, if you served in Germany during the Vietnam War, you aren't a Vietnam vet. I am okay with saying Vietnam-era vet, however.

Response by SPC Gerald Ponkey made Mar 23 at 2022 6:26 AM

SPC Gerald Ponkey — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 06:26:27 -0400

I served in Germany during the Nam war. Saying that I am a Vietnam vet would be an insult to the hero's who served there.

Response by SP5 Sam Powell made Mar 23 at 2022 8:09 AM

SP5 Sam Powell — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 08:09:00 -0400

Vietnam Vet and Vietnam Era Vet. There's a difference.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 23 at 2022 4:03 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:03:59 -0400

Not ONLY "No', But "OH, HELL NO". Being A Combat Vet In Vietnam Is A Most Honorable Of Military Vets.. The Rest Of Us Stood By, But We're NOT A Vietnam Vet..... I Refuse To Tell Others I'm A Vietnam ERA But WILL Reply If They Ask, To Me, It Sounds As If A Vet Is Trying To Impress The Persons They're Talking To.......I See Impersonators

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Mar 23 at 2022 4:37 PM

MSG Thomas Currie — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:37:23 -0400

It's all about context.

The only people who cared about the difference between a "Vietnam Vet" and a "Vietnam Era Vet" used to be a handful of Viet Vets (mostly REMF) who resented the fact they they were dragged into a war zone and some other guys got to stay home.

That being said, as one who did serve in Vietnam, I never resented the guys who got to stay home until some of them started calling themselves Vietnam Veterans after the military suddenly became popular on September 12, 2001.

Response by PFC Wallace Whipps made Mar 24 at 2022 11:39 AM

PFC Wallace Whipps — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:39:33 -0400

I served in, Germany, from 1973-1977. During this time the Viet Nam war was still happening but coming to an end (1975). I am considered a Viet Nam era Veteran; I personally feel this identification is not right, because I did not go to Viet Nam. But I identify as a Cold War veteran which I'm very proud of. We did get the same treatment as a Viet Nam Vet from people during this time, but at the time that came with the uniform.

Response by Brad Miller made Mar 25 at 2022 7:45 PM

Brad Miller — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 19:45:38 -0400

To claim that, it seems to me, would be like claiming to be a WW2 combat vet who enlisted at the end of the war, but never deployed over seas.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Mar 25 at 2022 8:11 PM

Cpl Craig Howard — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 20:11:50 -0400

My Uncle was In Country in the Air Force as an MP. My Neighbor was stationed in Texas doing the same job. (This Neighbor was guarding a few B-52's designated for special purpose.) They were both serving in support of the war effort and I consider both of them to be Viet Nam Vets.

Response by CW5 Mark Smith made Mar 26 at 2022 1:26 PM

CW5 Mark Smith — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 13:26:33 -0400

I have conflicting opinions. I was USMC Viet Nam and US Army Iraq. I don't consider someone a veteran of either unless they served in-country. Yet those who served in Kuwait during the Iraq War received combat pay and wore a combat patch on their right shoulder. Why? On the other hand, we refer to those who served during WWII as WWII vets despite the fact that many never left the states. Very confusing. I think I'll just stick with "veteran" and leave it at that.

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made Apr 13 at 2022 12:58 AM

PO1 William Van Syckle — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 00:58:28 -0400

Let me ask you this question. If you saw a veteran wearing a WWII or Korean War Veteran cap, would you go and ask him if he was boots on ground or and Era Vet. I have yet to see this happen. I see guys with those caps on and like everybody else, I say “Thank you for your service.” I don’t question them and I never did see anybody question them. Someone that served during the Era is that Era’s Veteran. Plain and simple…..

Response by LTC Clayton Hill made Apr 13 at 2022 10:59 AM

LTC Clayton Hill — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:59:00 -0400

NO; however, there is a gray area. Those in theatre were not necessarily in harm's way - say in Cambodia, on ships, or on non-assault or transport aircraft. I ran into a Navy retired Captain in the barber shop last month; he attended a Vietnam veterans ceremony where the emcee asked him. He indicated his status and the ceremony recognized his as a Vietnam vet. If he had a question as to whether he was or not - he was not. There is no confusion as to those who were there. Today's warfare has changed significantly as combat is sometimes remote, but still the service ribbons should only be for those in actual war zones. I am barely a Vietnam era vet, but I would never call me a Vietnam vet.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2022 10:35 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:35:12 -0400

No. No Vietnam Service Ribbon, not a Vietnam Vet.
Example: I enlistsed in 1971 fully expecting to go to Vietnam.
By the time I finished training, the Paris Peace Accords had been signed in JAN 73, and I did not go.
Therefore, although having served in the Vietnam era, I am not a Vietnam Vet.
I respect those who served.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2022 10:56 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:56:50 -0400

No. No Vietnam Service Ribbon, not a Vietnam Vet.
Example: I enlisted in 1971 fully expecting to go to Vietnam. The Paris Peace Accords were signed in 1973, before I finished a long school. I did not go to Vietnam. Therefore, although having served in the Vietnam Era, for which I got a NDSM, I am not a Vietnam Vet and do not refer to myself as such.
I respect all those who served.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Apr 16 at 2022 10:22 PM

SFC John Fourquet — Sat, 16 Apr 2022 22:22:21 -0400

NO! if you did not serve in Vietnam you are not a Vietnam veteran.

Response by SPC Mike Gonnell made Apr 21 at 2022 4:01 AM

SPC Mike Gonnell — Thu, 21 Apr 2022 04:01:35 -0400

I was drafted & severed 2 year with 14 months being over sea in Germany. When I returned back home, I was treated & abused like all the combat vets from Vietnam. I wear a cap that says Vietnam era vets.

Response by 1stSgt Dan Boone made Apr 27 at 2022 10:01 AM

1stSgt Dan Boone — Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:01:33 -0400

I'm late to the game on this one, but just for grins, let me toss my 2¢ into the pot.
NO! And I admit to being pretty close-minded about this. I entered the Corps in '72 (technically, still during the war) and the closest I ever got to SE Asia before the drawdown was Mombasa, Kenya after getting my Shellback certificate. How does that possibly equate to being in country? It doesn't.
In my personal experiences, I found that most of the Vietnam-era pogues who want to call themselves, or be identified as, Vietnam vets are "wannabees". This seemed to be especially true after Desert Storm when the Vietnam vets (actuals) started to receiving the accolades they so richly deserved. All of sudden, anyone who took the oath before Saigon fell in '75 (even if they couldn't locate Hue City on a map) was a "Vietnam vet", bemoaning how they had been so mistreated. Made me sick.... and mad.
So, to all who were actually in country, I salute you proudly. To those of who served during the era but never went... chin up, chest out, eyes straight ahead and be proud of the fact that you were on duty and ready for the call at a time when the "Fonda crowd" hated us. someone asks if you served IN Vietnam, look them dead in the eye and say, "No". If they ask if you served during Vietnam, look them dead in the eye, say "Yes", and then ask them if they served. "Nuff said"
Out here.

Response by PO3 John Fahrer made Apr 27 at 2022 11:11 AM

PO3 John Fahrer — Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:11:33 -0400

I served on a small Naval air station with 35 men. We had X shaped runways with simulated aircraft landing equipment installed. If the jet pilot's could not get it right here, they weren't going on to the ship. We worked 30% during the day and 70% at night. Often we worked 48 to 60 hours with few hours of sleep. I got a fungus growing inside my body. We had no doctor, only a medic that was lazy as heck. After 4 months of serious health issues I was sent to a real medical doctor. He found I was near death. I was in the hospital for almost a year, with spinal tape weekly and IV treatment of a very toxic drug every day. This has caused me serious health issues all my life. I am 76 and my life has been very difficult, I have suffered much, and been close to death several times. I have had cancer twice, kidneys fail, and lungs that are damaged . All this is due to the Vietnam war. I served in the Vietnam era war. I have been 100& service connected, and home bound for a very long time.

Lets not get picky over saying I served in the Vietnam Era War. I have earned the right to say that. If you disagree, it's not my problem.

Response by MAJ G. Robinson made May 7 at 2022 8:14 AM

MAJ G. Robinson — Sat, 07 May 2022 08:14:33 -0400

A veteran is a veteran. We went where we were told and did what we were told when we were told to do it. We trained for and were ready for war regardless of our assignment. The military cannot fight a successful battle without many facets of support. I salute those who were on the front line - they certainly deserve thanks, recognition, and support, as does anyone else who served. Support your fellow vets. All of them.

What do you call a WWII veteran who wasn’t at Pearl Harbor and never went overseas? They are called a WWII veteran.

Response by SGM Robert Murray made May 7 at 2022 8:48 AM

SGM Robert Murray — Sat, 07 May 2022 08:48:04 -0400

I hate labels. People talk about "homeless" vets. Why is a vet "homeless?"

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made May 7 at 2022 8:28 PM

CWO3 Robert Fong — Sat, 07 May 2022 20:28:34 -0400

Prior to shipping over to the Coast Guard, I was in the Army from 1960 to 65. I took my basic and AIT at Quad "I" Schofield Barracks and I served in the 25th Inf Div, A Co 35th Inf Reg "Cacti" and the HHC 1 Bn 69th Armor "Black Panthers." While I was in the Army during the Viet Nam War, I did not go "in country"; therefore, I am not a Viet Nam Vet. In my opinion, if one was not popping caps, then one is not a Viet Nam Vet.

Response by TSgt Douglas Greenwood made May 7 at 2022 10:52 PM

TSgt Douglas Greenwood — Sat, 07 May 2022 22:52:49 -0400

I believe it could be used as “in country or not” during other wars everyone was considered veterans of that war. I also believe that’s those places who served in supporting the war in Vietnam, like Thailand, Guam and Philippines should be considered Vietnam veterans.

Response by SFC Clifford Brewer made May 8 at 2022 10:49 AM

SFC Clifford Brewer — Sun, 08 May 2022 10:49:44 -0400

What come up with this idea / start Vietnam Commemoration Day recognition and added Vietnam Era for vets if one enlisted before ie 1975.. I remember 66 right after high school I was laying in a Army hold area with about 60-70 other scary asses waiting to get shipped out to Vietnam on cleanup detail but lucky they sent us back home on we will call you if needed. Later 72 I enlisted.. the Vietnam War was ending..I was informed that because I enlisted in that time period I was part of the Era.

Response by SGT John Shatesky made May 8 at 2022 10:54 AM

SGT John Shatesky — Sun, 08 May 2022 10:54:30 -0400

Vietnam veterans should be described as such. They (we) earned the right to be given that honor as small as it is as a way to never forget our sacrifices. Welcome home brothers and sisters.

Response by WO1 Rich Stombaugh made May 8 at 2022 11:21 AM

WO1 Rich Stombaugh — Sun, 08 May 2022 11:21:03 -0400

I don’t think so. I was in Germany during the desert storm in 1990. I don’t consider myself a gulf war vet, but I had my orders and that’s what I did.

Response by AA Loreen Silvarahawk made May 8 at 2022 4:41 PM

AA Loreen Silvarahawk — Sun, 08 May 2022 16:41:15 -0400

A 'Nam Vet is a 'Nam Vet. I did not go to 'Nam but I was treated as if I had. Women had it far worse even not being allowed into a restaurant! We had to be in uniform even if on leave and that made us a "target" when we left the base.

Response by Capt Henry Heater made May 8 at 2022 11:10 PM

Capt Henry Heater — Sun, 08 May 2022 23:10:02 -0400

I served during the Vietnam era - 69 - 78. Yes, I faced the possibility of serving in Vietnam, but never did so. I personally believe that calling myself a Vietnam vet would be misleading and imply that I had actually served in country. Calling myself a Vietnam era vet would be technically correct, but I would be riding on the shoulders of those who actually served there. There is a profound difference.

Response by CWO3 David Brawner made May 9 at 2022 7:45 AM

CWO3 David Brawner — Mon, 09 May 2022 07:45:41 -0400

Yes, just a Vet, like the rest of us. No need to separate them in any way.

Response by SGT Alan Martinez made May 9 at 2022 11:23 AM

SGT Alan Martinez — Mon, 09 May 2022 11:23:50 -0400

No they should not. Veterans are Veterans. Segregation is beneath us. One team, one flag.

Response by SGT Alan Martinez made May 9 at 2022 11:24 AM

SGT Alan Martinez — Mon, 09 May 2022 11:24:56 -0400

No they should not. Segregation is beneath us. Veterans are Veterans. Some gave all, all gave some.

Response by CW3 Barton Benson made May 9 at 2022 11:41 PM

CW3 Barton Benson — Mon, 09 May 2022 23:41:53 -0400

Two different groups. <period>
Vietnam vets - were in country. (Like my dad.)
All others were Vietnam-era vets. (Like me.)

Response by Sgt Stu Kopelman made May 10 at 2022 7:26 AM

Sgt Stu Kopelman — Tue, 10 May 2022 07:26:56 -0400

All soldiers in war are fighting for peace, no matter whether they are on the battle front or in the office typing. We work together, in harmony, for a cause. Separating and segregating for a title's glory does not bring anyone or any country honor.

Response by Sgt Daniel Peters made May 10 at 2022 8:02 AM

Sgt Daniel Peters — Tue, 10 May 2022 08:02:50 -0400

I believe all Vets of that era should be called Vietnam Vets. I Volunteered for Nam having 9 months left on my four year enlistment (US Air Force). I stated I would extend for 3 months to do the one year tour. They rejected this, saying I must re-enlist. Not going to give you four years for a three month extension.

Response by LCpl Mike O'neill made May 10 at 2022 1:34 PM

LCpl Mike O'neill — Tue, 10 May 2022 13:34:10 -0400

veit nam vets served in VN.if you weren't you can say you were a VN era vet.but I doubt any would.because it just dosen't mean as much.

Response by SSG Ken Potts made May 10 at 2022 8:23 PM

SSG Ken Potts — Tue, 10 May 2022 20:23:19 -0400

Absolutely not. There is a vast difference between Vet and Era.

Response by Cpl Ernest Thomas made May 11 at 2022 7:32 AM

Cpl Ernest Thomas — Wed, 11 May 2022 07:32:03 -0400

NO!!!! They didn't serve in theater so They're NOT Vietnam Veterans, PERIOD! I'm NOT a Beruit Vet, or a Granada Vet AND I'm NOT a Iraqi War Vet nor am I an Afghanistan War Vet even though I served during all of them. Could I have gone? Yup! Did I? NOPE! I'm just a veteran. These assholes that want to be called something They're not tarnish the good name of those that are!

Response by Sgt John Guiliano made May 11 at 2022 10:24 AM

Sgt John Guiliano — Wed, 11 May 2022 10:24:45 -0400

Men who served in Country know the difference. Being shot at on Monkey Mountain, having rockets fall all around you in Danang, or suffering the long term effects of Agent Orange and fungus, puts you in a different catagory than those touring Europe or ConUS. We know the difference.
Sgt. John Guiliano USAF

Response by SSG James Erhardt made May 11 at 2022 2:21 PM

SSG James Erhardt — Wed, 11 May 2022 14:21:51 -0400

Anyone could have volunteered for reassignment to Vietnam. I respect the fact that they are Vietnam era Veterans, but they never risked having their name on that Black Granite wall in D.C.
Just the opinion of a 3 tour grunt that had the privilege of serving with a few of those that has their name on that Wall!

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2022 5:01 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 May 2022 17:01:49 -0400

I'm torn. I had friends who were maimed and friends who served in Germany. The ones who stayed stateside or Europe always made the distinction between themselves and guys who were "in country". I'll leave this to the gents who served in that era. I am grateful to All. Anyone who ran to Canada is not deserving of my respect and that sets all our Nam era vets apart from many of their peers.

Response by TSgt Charles Kirk made May 11 at 2022 8:47 PM

TSgt Charles Kirk — Wed, 11 May 2022 20:47:11 -0400

Those opposed seem to be so becaise the vets were'nt in Nam.
Well I am a vietnam veteran but was stationed in Thailand and suffer from agent orange exposure which has caused me multiple health problems including the loss of both legs above knee.
I did as much as anyone in vietnam to provide air support and I feel have earned the title of vietnam veteran.

Response by Janet Nickoless made May 11 at 2022 10:22 PM

Janet Nickoless — Wed, 11 May 2022 22:22:33 -0400

No...Just call them Vets

Response by CDR David Troutman made May 12 at 2022 12:16 AM

CDR David Troutman — Thu, 12 May 2022 00:16:36 -0400

As far as the Bureau of Naval Personnel was concerned (and my detailer) I was a blue water sailor focused on the Cold War, the Atlantic, and the Reforger reinforcement and re-supply of Europe if the USSR came through the gap, despite my service in Vietnan in 1967, 1969, and 1971-72. While serving in the 2nd and 6th Fleets in 1970 (off the coast of Syria and Israel during the Jordanian Crisis), my LantFleet compatriots hardly knew Vietnam existed, and had little interest there. Therefore, in my own mind I honor the Cold War warriors manning the wall against Soviet aggression and occasional skirmish, separately and concurrently from those who served in or in support of those in-country. The brown water Navy was distinctly not part of the Blue Water culture, but both had value. But those with muddy boots saw war, and politics, differently than those facing East, and in my mind should be honored separately and uniquely.

A real easy discriminator is "have you filed an Agent Orange claim?"

Response by PO3 Charlie Dotson made May 12 at 2022 7:53 AM

PO3 Charlie Dotson — Thu, 12 May 2022 07:53:41 -0400

If you served in Vietnam you should be recognized as a VN VET. We did not recieve a welcome home and were criticized for our participation in that war.

Response by SPC Richard Rauenhorst made May 12 at 2022 9:36 AM

SPC Richard Rauenhorst — Thu, 12 May 2022 09:36:34 -0400

For 40 years it would have been better if I had not served during that time. Now I am able to wear my Vietnam Veteran hat were ever I go. I am addressed by, "Thank you for your service." In Minnesota they mean well and I am able to share some of my better moments while serving.

Response by SSG Ron Bogard made May 12 at 2022 10:53 AM

SSG Ron Bogard — Thu, 12 May 2022 10:53:14 -0400

This shouldn't even be a question, not everyone gets deployed. If it wasn't for the troops state side, those who are deployed might not get resupplied, equipment repairs,

Response by SGT Stephen Rowland made May 12 at 2022 2:15 PM

SGT Stephen Rowland — Thu, 12 May 2022 14:15:17 -0400

Most people that were facing the likelihood of going to Vietnam would do anything to avoid going there. Those that succeed felt joy and lucky at the same time. This all’s comes back to what you referred to as, “Stolen Valor”, in one of your surveys. Ask Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut if he prefers to be called, a Vietnam vet. Normally I would not give a -hit but acting like you were there will never equal the 13 or 12 months that we served in country. My father was there before me and I wish I could ask him. If people served and fulfilled their duty to our country, God bless them but they are not Vietnam Veterans.

Response by SFC Lionel Bascombe made May 12 at 2022 4:32 PM

SFC Lionel Bascombe — Thu, 12 May 2022 16:32:17 -0400

Personally, I don't believe that Service Members whom did not go to Viet Nam should be considered a Viet Nam vet. People will always be ignorant. It is our duty to correct them. If you di not serve in Iraq or Afghanistan and so forth, them you should not be associated with the campaign. For some prospective. Some people do not want to be deemed as racist because they are not. Because everybody should not be called racist because of the color of there skin. Same difference.

Response by CPT Timothy Morris made May 12 at 2022 11:48 PM

CPT Timothy Morris — Thu, 12 May 2022 23:48:23 -0400

I agree with SPC Valazquez and CPT Durish. I entered active duty in early '72 and never left CONUS due to the drawdown. I am uncomfortable with the Vietnam era veteran tag. My cousin and too many of my friends did serve in country.

Response by SPC Terry Martin made May 13 at 2022 3:12 AM

SPC Terry Martin — Fri, 13 May 2022 03:12:56 -0400

No. I refer to them as Veterans or Vietnam ERA Veterans, which I was having served 1962-1965.

ONLY those that served in Vietnam should be called Vietnam Veterans.

Response by SP6 Greg Jetter made May 13 at 2022 2:41 PM

SP6 Greg Jetter — Fri, 13 May 2022 14:41:43 -0400

I do not care one way or the other , I served from 1972-1987 tail end of nam beginning of the cold war , as long as I get my VA health benefit you can call me any fricking thing you want. I see the whole thing as just one more way the establishment can cause strife and division within the veteran community and the military community .

Response by CPL Patrick Watson made May 13 at 2022 10:28 PM

CPL Patrick Watson — Fri, 13 May 2022 22:28:01 -0400

I believe we were called cold war Vietnam era veteran we got no respect from the veterans of Vietnam or the civilians back home

Response by SGT Frederick Lund made May 15 at 2022 1:38 AM

SGT Frederick Lund — Sun, 15 May 2022 01:38:40 -0400

Anyone who accepted the Draft, or Enlisted during those times should be called a Vietnam Era Vet.. They took a shot in the lottery and either were sent to Nam or not. '

In NAM
If they never went to the field that's what they were. In my mind there is a title reserved for who never left the perimeter, snood guard those. who work in Air Conditioned duty stations, they are Vietnam Vets.

The rest of us, who stood guard in the dark of the night for Buds or ourselves, who flew us into and came back to get us out of the smallest LZs, who came to support us in combat. Fast mowers, SPADs, and Cobras. I reserve highest validation that of:

VIETNAM COMBAT VETERAN!

Sleep well My Brothers and Sister

Response by SGT Scott Adie made May 16 at 2022 9:21 AM

SGT Scott Adie — Mon, 16 May 2022 09:21:37 -0400

No, not unless they served In-Country. Vietnam Era Vets are not the same as Vietnam Vets. Not to detract from Vietnam Era Vets service, they pulled their tour of duty but the actual Vietnam Vet is a distinction that was earned by those of us who served directly in the Vietnam War.

Response by SPC Daniel Berliner made May 18 at 2022 9:40 PM

SPC Daniel Berliner — Wed, 18 May 2022 21:40:01 -0400

My opinion is that if you served in country you are a Vietnam Veteran but if not you're a veteran. Just being there should make a difference.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made May 19 at 2022 11:20 AM

Cpl George Matousek — Thu, 19 May 2022 11:20:59 -0400

Sounds great too me

Response by SPC Donald Piper made Jun 4 at 2022 9:33 PM

SPC Donald Piper — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 21:33:31 -0400

I feel that Vietnam era Vets are Vietnam ERA VETS not VIETNAM VETS. HELL NO! We earned that by being in NAM. Many of us continue to suffer as a result of our service. But that's just my opinion.

Response by A1C Ronald Hewitt made Jun 16 at 2022 10:48 PM

A1C Ronald Hewitt — Thu, 16 Jun 2022 22:48:04 -0400

Regardless where you were assigned, you were still eligible to get selected go to the fighting. Uncle Sam owned you when you were in and went wherever he (the govt) said you had to go..

Response by SPC Michael Tierney made Jun 17 at 2022 7:53 AM

SPC Michael Tierney — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 07:53:50 -0400

I was in the Infantry in VN in 1968. I came back via Fitsimmons Hospital in Denver. I flew back to Minnesota after a month of rehab with a noticeable limp and, probably, in my uniform. I can't imagine where I would have gotten civilian clothes. I had no problems at Denver or Minnespolis airports.
I now have Purple Heart license plates on two of my cars. I don't mind advertising my VN experience or being asked about it.
If you were not stationed in VN, it doesn't make much sense to be referred to as a VN vet. Maybe a VN era vet?
Stupid war but nothing to be ashamed of. The perpetrators in our government should be ashamed.

Response by COL Andrew Burns made Jun 17 at 2022 9:01 AM

COL Andrew Burns — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 09:01:46 -0400

I concur with the CPT. Those who served in-country “earned that title”. This is not to slight the Vietnam-era veteran, but rather to distinguish areas. I do not think that non in-country veterans are upset about it. Most correct persons by saying “ i was a Vietnam-era Veteran.

Response by SP5 David Solis made Jun 17 at 2022 9:25 AM

SP5 David Solis — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 09:25:04 -0400

I am not a Vietnam veteran myself, but a combat veteran from the Gulf war, totally different combat experience. Vietnam veterans should be respected because they went through HELL, basically. The least we can is respect their wishes. Honor them.

Response by SCPO Jeff Conz made Jun 17 at 2022 7:25 PM

SCPO Jeff Conz — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 19:25:10 -0400

In my opinion, if you served during the Vietnam War, you are a Vietnam Veteran.

Response by MSgt Frances Hayden made Jun 17 at 2022 8:14 PM

MSgt Frances Hayden — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 20:14:38 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era vet. I am not a Vietnam vet. I did not go through what my brothers and sisters did in Vietnam. I didn't even face the anti war sentiments here in the states where I was stationed. I would have gladly gone, but that doesn't count. So no, don't call me a Vietnam vet. There so much that that involves that does not apply.

Response by LTC Robin Gronovius made Jun 17 at 2022 11:47 PM

LTC Robin Gronovius — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 23:47:22 -0400

That's akin to calling Iraq or Afghanistan era veterans (non-OIF/AEF veterans) Iraq War veterans. I served in the Persian Gulf but not in OIF or AEF, and I would never consider myself an Iraq war veteran, and I served in the Persian Gulf during wartime.

Response by SGT Ken Bell made Jun 18 at 2022 4:17 PM

SGT Ken Bell — Sat, 18 Jun 2022 16:17:35 -0400

I could have been sent to the moon but don’t expect to be called an astronaut.

Response by SP5 Donald Thornton made Jun 18 at 2022 5:05 PM

SP5 Donald Thornton — Sat, 18 Jun 2022 17:05:33 -0400

Some how you hit my one nerve. I was so miss treated on my return that I will to this day tell you that I was in prison before I'll say I was in Nam. When you get human waste thrown at you,or for the taxi driver put you out because you had to be one of those baby killers. I learned to hate people. So you call them what ever you want' I have my name for them. Sorry about the one nerve. 31b20

Response by MSgt Earl King made Jun 18 at 2022 8:22 PM

MSgt Earl King — Sat, 18 Jun 2022 20:22:41 -0400

It is all in the ribbons folks.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Jun 18 at 2022 8:44 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Sat, 18 Jun 2022 20:44:13 -0400

Not Only "No", But
"HELL NO" !!!
Only Those Of You Whom SERVED In Vietnam Should Have That Right,
We Others Were Simply Sitting On The Bench, On Stand-By...
Vietnam Vets Have That Very Special Honor And Right.
Let's Give All The Credit Where It's Been Earned & Due !

Response by 1SG Lee Street made Jun 18 at 2022 9:11 PM

1SG Lee Street — Sat, 18 Jun 2022 21:11:02 -0400

No, I don't think that a soldier that didn't serve in Vietnam should be addressed as a Vietnam veteran. No one from any of the other wars has asked for this distinction. It is an insult to run into these want-to-be, groups that had the opportunity to serve in Vietnam but chose to stay in Germany or wherever they were stationed and did not volunteer to go to Vietnam. Now we did have many soldiers who volunteered to leave a safe place like Germany and other stations to serve in Vietnam. I've seen lots of veterans wearing caps that say Vietnam Area Veteran, But I never see any caps that say Desert storm area veteran or Iraq area, veteran. The way I see it is if a veteran wears a cap saying that he is a Vietnam veteran and didn't serve in-country then to me it is the same as stolen valor.

Response by PO1 Paul Guevara made Jun 19 at 2022 2:19 AM

PO1 Paul Guevara — Sun, 19 Jun 2022 02:19:40 -0400

I'm kinda conflicted on this because I have an uncle that was in Germany during the Vietnam War, and a cousin in law that was a recon marine in Vietnam. Not sure how or if my uncle contributed to the war from Germany, but my cousin did have some horror stories from his encounters

Response by PO2 Richard Crofts made Jun 19 at 2022 3:24 AM

PO2 Richard Crofts — Sun, 19 Jun 2022 03:24:32 -0400

It may take away a little from veterans that fought there, but anyone in the military who supported the war has An identity.

Response by MSgt Jimmy Jones made Jun 19 at 2022 12:56 PM

MSgt Jimmy Jones — Sun, 19 Jun 2022 12:56:54 -0400

Absolutely, we did take same abuse and shaming! We were available to go!

Response by CPO Dennis Baptiste made Jun 19 at 2022 4:07 PM

CPO Dennis Baptiste — Sun, 19 Jun 2022 16:07:51 -0400

No. We are Vietnam Era Vets

Response by MSgt Steven Kraslen made Jun 19 at 2022 6:51 PM

MSgt Steven Kraslen — Sun, 19 Jun 2022 18:51:55 -0400

If your service records don't show you where awarded the Vietnam Service Medal or Vietnam Campaign Medal or in some cases the Vietnam Gallentry Cross you are not Vietnam Vet. During Desert Shield/ Desert Storm I was in the Active Reserves but yet I can't claim to be a Veteran for that conflict. How about the Cold War. If you where in Active Service during that time period you can be called a Cold War Veteran. Even though no Medals or ribbons where issued for it. You can get a Certificate for it.

Response by SSG Kenneth Drolsum made Jun 20 at 2022 6:52 AM

SSG Kenneth Drolsum — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 06:52:16 -0400

I agree with the criteria used by the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars. If you served you are a veteran. If you served in Vietnam and have an acceptable campaign ribbon to prove it you are a Vietnam Vet. We are not Vietnam vets because we served. We are Vietnam vets because we served in Vietnam. You are not a Vietnam vet because you served during the same time period. You are not a Vietnam vet because you served in the area during the same time period. You are not a Vietnam vet because you served somewhere other than in country and were willing to go or did not go for whatever reason. Those of us who wear the Vietnam Service Medal wear it with pride because whether you approve of the war or not that medal means you had boots on the ground. No matter what capacity you served you had boots on the ground or you you were in Vietnamese air space. Service in the military alone does not make you an infantryman or a Ranger or a Seal or anything other than what you were. For those who whine about this not being fair we had a saying back then I will not repeat here. Many of us didn’t think it was fair that we were exposed to service in country and most served in other areas. Of the approximately 9 million vets that served during the period less than 3 million had boots on the ground. We are the Vietnam Veterans and we stand alone.

Response by SP5 Robert Kennedy made Jun 20 at 2022 11:48 AM

SP5 Robert Kennedy — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 11:48:18 -0400

If your military orders commanded that you be deployed to Vietnam, AND you served there, you are a Vietnam Vet. My brother was drafted just months after my return from Vietnam. I can't express in words my relief, when I heard he was going to Germany. He IS a Vietnam ERA veteran (1969 and 1970) and asked, he is quick to admit that he was grateful for not having been sent to Vietnam, the undeclared war.
Does anyone want to comment on why WAR was never declared in Vietnam? (hint: think about money)

Response by CPL Russell Cooper made Jun 20 at 2022 12:40 PM

CPL Russell Cooper — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 12:40:25 -0400

Difficult question. My cousin was an active Marine but only served stateside and in Okinawa. I'd give him a yes. I enlisted in Army during era years but never left the states so I would give me a no.

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Jun 20 at 2022 5:18 PM

Cpl Bill Johnson — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 17:18:23 -0400

No. Just no. I am a Cold War veteran During my eight years of service there were combat across the globe, in Lebanon, Grenada, Panama and other places, and when that happened, I was always somewhere else. I would never refer to myself as a veteran of those actions. I'm proud to be a Cold War veteran, I don't think anyone should steal the thunder of other veterans.

Response by CPO Kathleen Whiting made Jun 20 at 2022 8:44 PM

CPO Kathleen Whiting — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 20:44:31 -0400

I joined the Navy in 1972, fully expecting that I might soon be in Southeast Asia somewhere. I was never sent overseas but spent all my career in the U.S. I am very careful to refer to myself as "Viet Nam Era." Transparency with my fellow Veterans is essential.

Response by SSgt Randall Morrow made Jun 20 at 2022 10:28 PM

SSgt Randall Morrow — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 22:28:37 -0400

I know the Men & Women of the Vietnam War were never given a welcome home when they came back (I know because I enlisted and was on active duty 1 year after they were ordered out in 1975). I was treated terribly by civilians and could not understand why until I had the opportunity to think about the situation while stationed in Italy! Then I understood the sad situation of being in the military at that time. Although I think they should be appreciated for their service EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY ARE SEEN IN PUBLIC, I do not believe they should be addressed as "Vietnam Vet", I think they should be thanked and appreciated at all times!

We don't address any other Vet's by their service in any conflicts "Afghanistan Vet, Cold War Vet, Iraq Vet, etc ....... It Doesn't make sense. A Veteran is a Veteran!

Response by SP5 David Jobo made Jun 21 at 2022 12:46 AM

SP5 David Jobo — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 00:46:29 -0400

I am a cold war veteran and yet I'm still label this. no boots on the ground in Vietnam. Salute to those whom served.

Response by Forrest Adams made Jun 21 at 2022 1:40 AM

Forrest Adams — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 01:40:08 -0400

It seems to me we have more important issues facing this country. But, that's just my opinion.

Response by SSgt Dayna Beth Olsen made Jun 21 at 2022 8:06 AM

SSgt Dayna Beth Olsen — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 08:06:24 -0400

NO. After my dad died from cancer caused by Agent Orange I looked up a statistic. 2/3 of Vietnam era men are still living yet only 1/3 of those that served in Vietnam are alive today. If you didn’t serve in Vietnam you don’t get to say you did. I will be happy to shame anyone for thinking otherwise.

Response by SSG Craig Thompson made Jun 21 at 2022 12:09 PM

SSG Craig Thompson — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 12:09:33 -0400

No.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2022 3:06 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 15:06:43 -0400

Absolutely Vietnam Vets should be recognized for serving in Vietnam. WTF!!!! Are we supposed pronouns to describe our service feelings. Total BS. Vietnam vets earned that title from the blood they shed and the risks they took. If you were in Germany, you were safe, drinking German beer and living the good life. Im’ for F’n sure if you requested a combat tour in Vietnam you would bot have been denied. I served in Afghanistan during OEF while some served in Germany. They golfed, traveled, ate hot meals, AC, hot showers, night clubs, TV’s, internet and massive per diem. We carried weapons 24/7, occasional hot showers, sparse chow halls, porta- shitters, tents, rockets/mortars and dirt!! I am an Afghanistan Veteran… not a pretender serving in Germany!!!!

Response by Capt Harvey Sligh made Jun 22 at 2022 9:31 PM

Capt Harvey Sligh — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:31:17 -0400

The title "Vietnam ERA veteran" should be sufficient to distinguish between those who were actually in country and veterans who served during that time, but did not receive orders and be sent there.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2022 5:06 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Jun 2022 05:06:21 -0400

If you didn’t go to Vietnam, you’re not a Vietnam Vet.

Response by SSG Douglas Shaffer made Jun 23 at 2022 12:43 PM

SSG Douglas Shaffer — Thu, 23 Jun 2022 12:43:34 -0400

We are all Veterans, what era we served distinguishes who we are no matter where you served. If you were not in-country your efforts and duties supported those who were. If you served in Germany, you still served a mission of the whole, your mission there was to counter the aggression of the Warsaw Pact impact on Western Europe, we and the rest of the world was still under a nuclear threat. The Warsaw Pact could have taken advantage of our involvement in Vietnam and invaded Western Europe however our presents there detoured such an event. If you wish you can refer to yourself as a "Cold War Veteran".

Response by PO1 Redone Heart made Jun 23 at 2022 11:04 PM

PO1 Redone Heart — Thu, 23 Jun 2022 23:04:22 -0400

The distinction I see is that veterans that served in country and those that didn't is that many of those of us that served in country came out physically and/or psychologically damaged. I got on with my life finishing college with a pharmacy degree so many would say I got on with my life with no problem. What I would like Vietnam Era veterans who didn't have boots on the ground to know is that I hid my memories in a suitcase and put that suitcase up in an attic. I finally opened that suitcase about ten years ago and finally joined a Vietnam Nam Veterans support group a year ago and am finally discovering that I am not the only in country veteran that understands. So, you are either a Vietnam Veteran or a Vietnam Era Veteran. The thing a honest veteran would do is not make a claim for something he wasn't.

Response by SP5 Donald Thornton made Jun 24 at 2022 10:10 AM

SP5 Donald Thornton — Fri, 24 Jun 2022 10:10:45 -0400

Come on people' If you where in the military from65 to 75 you can say you where a Veit Vam era vet. Only those there are vets, all others are want-a-be.s. Why?

Response by CPT Ian Stewart made Jun 24 at 2022 4:59 PM

CPT Ian Stewart — Fri, 24 Jun 2022 16:59:13 -0400

I served in Thailand (66 - 67) in a support unit. If people call me a Viet Nam vet, I thank them, but always with a correction. While what I did was "important", I didn't beat the bush or get shot at and feel I don't deserve the honor of that title.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jun 24 at 2022 6:22 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Fri, 24 Jun 2022 18:22:04 -0400

Why can't you use their names? Who's demanding to be referred to as "Vietnam Veteran Smith" in social settings, and why do you continue to talk to this clearly obnoxious individual?

Response by SSG David Angell made Jun 27 at 2022 6:48 PM

SSG David Angell — Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:48:56 -0400

I served from 1969 to 1972. Stationed at Naha AFB, Okinawa, and TDY tours to Korea.
And to answer your question. I am a VIET NAM ERA VETERAN. I tried to get stationed in Viet Nam, but didn't go. Good or bad, it was my way of wanting to help in the war.
And some of the statements about being a "baby killer" were true, as I was called that many times while going to college. Didn't have pigs blood thrown at me, but the words "baby killer" was definitely an eye opener.
When people would ask me, if I served in Viet Nam, I would tell them no, even though I am a Viet Nam Era veteran. Most of the time it is/was accepted. But to most of them, it didn't matter.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Jul 3 at 2022 2:02 PM

PO1 Mike Wallace — Sun, 03 Jul 2022 14:02:55 -0400

Nope. No shame in not going because you didn't receive orders to go. But there is a distinction between going and being somewhere else. I respect their service but I think ours should be respected also.

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Jul 10 at 2022 7:57 AM

SPC Arthur Lowder — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 07:57:19 -0400

EASY ANSWER A BIG NO.

Response by SP5 Sheldon Behensky made Jul 10 at 2022 4:59 PM

SP5 Sheldon Behensky — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 16:59:58 -0400

My opinion if you served in Vietnam you are a Vietnam Vet. If you served during that time but did not go to Vietnam you are a Vet.

Response by SGT Steven Bolander made Jul 13 at 2022 12:06 PM

SGT Steven Bolander — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 12:06:31 -0400

I think we need to pose this question to Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), who spent a number of years flat-out lying about being a Vietnam combat veteran and telling his sad stories about the harassment he received upon his return to the States. When eventually confronted with the fact that he NEVER set foot in Nam, his nonchalant response was, "Well, I may've misspoke about my time in the military."

This valor-stealing POS liar remains as a US Senator, often presiding over senatorial hearings in which he questions witnesses about THEIR integrity. (Just as bad are the Connecticut constituents who keep re-electing him.)

Response by A1C John Weiss made Jul 26 at 2022 9:50 AM

A1C John Weiss — Tue, 26 Jul 2022 09:50:24 -0400

As an Air Force veteran who enlisted during the War in Vietnam (1972) I would NEVER claim to be a Vietnam veteran. I always make sure that I make the distinction that I am an Era veteran as I never "crossed the pond". I am proud of my service and will not be denigrated for it. Someone had to guard the nukes and that's what I did.

Response by CPL George Penney made Aug 17 at 2022 9:49 PM

CPL George Penney — Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:49:35 -0400

Why not that is where we served

Response by PO3 Mike McKinney made Aug 17 at 2022 10:02 PM

PO3 Mike McKinney — Wed, 17 Aug 2022 22:02:14 -0400

I served during Vietnam but never served in country. I will not ever claim to be a Vietnam vet. My brother did serve in Vietnam but his records were destroyed in a fire and when they rewrote them they did not include his name service. He cannot claim agent orange or fire pit damages. His kids all suffer from conditions that could be related.

Response by PO2 John Arrington made Aug 18 at 2022 9:30 AM

PO2 John Arrington — Thu, 18 Aug 2022 09:30:22 -0400

I enlisted in the Navy in '73 to '77.
I never felt as a Vietnam Vet. I had many friends in our small community never came home unless in a box. I never felt part of that brotherhood.

Response by PFC Steven Rosenberg made Aug 18 at 2022 10:15 AM

PFC Steven Rosenberg — Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:15:46 -0400

I’m an Army Vietnam Era Vet and when anyone asked if I served I always immediately say but I never served in Vietnam. To me, it’s the same as stolen valor.

Response by CW2 Matt Baum made Aug 19 at 2022 9:11 AM

CW2 Matt Baum — Fri, 19 Aug 2022 09:11:00 -0400

Hard pass for me. My dad was a Vietnam Era veteran. Honestly, I was a little salty that he was able to get 'Nam plates for his truck, having never left the US. I earned my OIF tags, but would NEVER get OIF tags, as I never served directly in OIF (on their soil).

Response by SSgt Denise Daugherty made Aug 19 at 2022 1:20 PM

SSgt Denise Daugherty — Fri, 19 Aug 2022 13:20:38 -0400

I am a female vet. I served from 1975-1984. I do not consider myself a viet nam vet. Those men that saw things they shouldn't have seen and did things they were made to do are given my total respect. Those are the true heros.

Response by LCDR Diane Shepherd made Aug 19 at 2022 1:31 PM

LCDR Diane Shepherd — Fri, 19 Aug 2022 13:31:54 -0400

I was on active duty at the end of the Vietnam era. And although I identify as "Vietnam era" vet, I personally don't have a problem with "Vietnam Vet" ... ALL of us were serving our country and supporting our brethren in arms.

Response by SGT James Hunsinger made Aug 20 at 2022 1:56 AM

SGT James Hunsinger — Sat, 20 Aug 2022 01:56:48 -0400

There is a distinction between Vietnam Veteran and Vietnam Era Veteran. My uncle was killed in Quang Ngai province in 1969. My father also served from 1969 - 1993 but could not be deployed to Vietnam because since his only brother died he became the sole surviving son. He is a Vietnam Era Veteran. You still need that distinction for the benefits other than those just extended to those who served in country.

From here on this has nothing really to with Vietnam directly. Just a story about my father's duty status afterwards.

My father then snuck his ass into Desert Storm because he was the logistics officer for 3rd Army. I had volunteered to go to Desert Storm since they decided not to deploy 10th Mountain as a division but to use us as augmentees to those units already deployed. I was getting ready to deploy when my father, unbeknownst to me, made a phone call to my commander to remind him that because of the Sullivan Act of 1947 I could not legally serve in the same theater as him. They came up with some lame excuse as to why I was taken off the volunteer list. When I really pushed the issue they told me what had happened. Lord I was pissed at the time. Now that I am a father I get it but at the time I was fuming!

Now I mentioned that he "snuck" into Desert Storm because technically speaking he was still a "sole surviving son" by regulation. That fact did not escape my grandfather. He made some phone calls and such and after a bit they were pulling my father out of the theater. He had the gall to bitch to me about what his father had done to him. I told him to zip it and I didn't want to hear it. Like I said, at the time I was pissed.

So then, once he was back in the States, (It took a little while to get him back here.) I immediately went to my command and told them to put me back at the top of the volunteer list. My Top said nope, can't do it. I asked why and that is when he handed me my orders to Korea. To this day I don't know if there were strings pulled that made that happen or if it was just legitimate branch management doings. My father denied any involvement but the timing always seemed a little suspect to me. It was after that that I learned to start getting involved with my branch manager and had a hand in all my assignments thereafter. Sorry I got off track but I thought some might enjoy that memory.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2022 12:57 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Aug 2022 12:57:18 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era Veteran, but I served states side at an assigned Air Defense Command (ADC) USAF Base supporting it's assigned mission to Patrol the Coastline of the Eastern Seaboard from Canada down to Cuba or thereabouts... We used RC-121 Radar aircraft at the time before over the Horizon radar was developed... It was an important role to exercise and we did it like the Professional Military men and women we were at that time... I am okay with being a Vietnam Era Veteran not having served "In-Country" in Vietnam, even though any of us could have been given orders at any time to pack our bags and be reassigned there... It is the military, it is the way of life... We serve where we are ordered to go...irrespective of branch of service or level... Respect Always, Warriors for Life!

Response by A1C Pamela G Russell made Aug 20 at 2022 3:27 PM

A1C Pamela G Russell — Sat, 20 Aug 2022 15:27:57 -0400

No. Simply put, women who served during this time are Vietnam Era vets!
Some men never deployed to Vietnam, either.

Response by Cpl David Wright made Aug 21 at 2022 12:34 AM

Cpl David Wright — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 00:34:38 -0400

I guess I qualify to be called a Vietnam era Marine but don’t make that claim for risk of making a claim that could be misunderstood for stolen valor. The closest I came was in making routing indicator changes to reflect traffic guard lists for new MAAGs taking up operations in South Vietnam that were pouring in.

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Aug 21 at 2022 3:30 AM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 03:30:52 -0400

I don't think so. All of should be viewed just as Veterans.

Response by PO2 Doreen Chapman made Aug 21 at 2022 3:25 PM

PO2 Doreen Chapman — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:25:23 -0400

I am Vietnam Era and as I was USN and female I would never have been "in country" so I don't refer to myself in anyway as a "Vietnam Vet". However, I will say that those who served during the time of Vietnam had good chances of being sent as Uncle Sam decides where you go and so you go. A vet is one who gave up choosing when the right hand was raised. Whether wartime veteran (hot-war or cold-war) you still deserve respect because you served where others didn't.

Response by SP5 Darryl Rabideau made Aug 21 at 2022 3:25 PM

SP5 Darryl Rabideau — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:25:57 -0400

Those of us who served, I mean actually served there, should be addressed as Vietnam vets but only if it is known that we are Vietnam vets.

Response by CPL Brian Clouser made Aug 21 at 2022 4:12 PM

CPL Brian Clouser — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:12:14 -0400

I am not a Vietnam Vet and I never claim to be but I remember this as if it happen yesterday
I remember in Sept of 79 going from Ft Jackson to Ft Knox in uniform I also remember the woman who had her 5-year-old daughter come and spit on me at the Airport I could only imagine what the 'nam vets had to deal with coming home Because of this, I feel that anyone that served rather they when to Vietnam or not deserves to be called a Vietnam veteran
Also, I would like to thank them for making sure that those of us coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan didn't have to go thru what they did

Response by CPL Gilbert Fernandez made Aug 21 at 2022 5:19 PM

CPL Gilbert Fernandez — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 17:19:02 -0400

I addressed this once and again I will try some common sense instead of arrogant pride and ignorance.
Vietnam vets were in country much like the Navy was in the Tonkin and as such not everybody that was in country engaged the enemy? Many were clerks AFR geeks pencil pushers or as we addressed them as REM's if you were there you know what it stands for. And yet these people along with the Navy are called Vietnam vets. So should only those who faced the enemy be called Vietnam vets?
Before you get stupid remember what they say about opinions everybody has one like everyone has a blank blank. Everyone did their part and to those of my brothers who did engage victor Charles up close I honor you but, if it wouldn't have been for the road runners on hyw1 we would have never gotten resupply not mail and your dear johns. No paycheck no donut dollies or red cross. It was a team thing. I deal with classes of agent orange Vietnam's version and the Korean version CIB from both for you scholars in all things military did you know more AO was used on the DMZ in Korea than all Vietnam combined. Back to the subject at hand we all did our parts and in my eyes none of writing on this post are any type of heroes, those who fell are the heroes! You brought your sorry butts home so quit your sniveling already you have nothing to Bragg about other than you grew up for 12 months in Southeast Asia. Well some of you grew up

Response by 1SG Tom Carter made Aug 23 at 2022 1:43 PM

1SG Tom Carter — Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:43:53 -0400

Vietnam Era vets, yes, but not Vietnam vet. I served during the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. I did deploy to Iraq, but never served in Afghanistan. I do consider myself an Iraqi vet, but would never consider myself an Afghanistan vet, just because I was serving during the time of the conflict.
I believe that actual deployment to the combat zone is required to be called a vet of the conflict.

Response by SGT Lonnie Barber made Aug 23 at 2022 11:05 PM

SGT Lonnie Barber — Tue, 23 Aug 2022 23:05:10 -0400

If a Veteran did not served in Vietnam during the Vietnam Era they should not be call Vietnam Vet.

Response by GySgt David Andrews made Aug 24 at 2022 7:18 PM

GySgt David Andrews — Wed, 24 Aug 2022 19:18:16 -0400

My take on this is no. If you were not in country then you are a Veteran or even a Cold War Veteran but you are not a Vietnam Veteran unless you were there.

Response by Col Dan Ketter made Aug 24 at 2022 9:35 PM

Col Dan Ketter — Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:35:13 -0400

We are all 1 military and ARE all Viet Nam Vets

Response by Ronald McCarty made Aug 25 at 2022 2:08 AM

Ronald McCarty — Thu, 25 Aug 2022 02:08:28 -0400

I did not serve in the military, my son is currently a CMDR in the Navy and my dad served in Europe during WWII. I have a great deal of respect for my peers who did serve in the military during the Vietnam era, whether they served in country or not. I think Vietnam Era vet is an accurate and appropriate way to refer to them, and probably more accurate than just "Vietnam Vet" though I have no problem referring to them that way either.

Response by SGT Richard Hanson SSP/CGS made Aug 25 at 2022 10:44 AM

SGT Richard Hanson SSP/CGS — Thu, 25 Aug 2022 10:44:17 -0400

I was there and I feel that calling anyone who wasn't there takes away from us who were and are still suffering the effects of PTSD and Agent Orange. They are not Vietnam Vets. Just because I walked by the Mess Hall don't make me a cook.

Response by 1LT James Iooss made Aug 25 at 2022 11:02 AM

1LT James Iooss — Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:02:01 -0400

I am a Veteran who happened to serve in Vietnam

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Aug 25 at 2022 5:23 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:23:53 -0400

I Served From 06/29/61
~`My 17th Birthday ~`
Through 06/10/1965 :
Having Never Even ENTERED a Combat Zone,
My Way Of Looking At This
When The Word "Vietnam", Comes Up,
ONLY The Ones IN Vietnam Should
Even Be ALLOWED To Use It.
It's A Proudly EARNED Word
For The TRUE Vietnam Vets.
And I "AIN'T" One Of Them

Response by SMSgt Michael Gleason made Aug 27 at 2022 8:06 PM

SMSgt Michael Gleason — Sat, 27 Aug 2022 20:06:03 -0400

NO! I take great exception to being called a "Vietnam Vet", as (through the grace of God and the U.S. Army) I got sent to Korea instead of the RVN! I don't wish to be seen as implying that I was in Vietnam. I will not attend ANY event that says it's for "Vietnam Vets"! If they invite Vietnam-ERA Vets, I will attend.

BTW: Service in Korea was considered by the US Army to be "the OTHER 'Hardship Tour'". I may NOT have been directly "exposed to enemy fire or Agent Orange", but US Forces Korea (as well as the other U.N. Forces) lived under the constant threat of a North Korean invasion; and being posted at 7th Infantry Division HQ , about seven miles South of the DMZ, the threat was especially omnipresent. We "bugged out" several times because of activities of North Korea.

Response by SGT Mike Murphy made Aug 28 at 2022 12:54 PM

SGT Mike Murphy — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 12:54:42 -0400

I joined the Army when I graduated from High School in 1973. Vietnam continued for about 18 months after I joined but apparently they didn’t need me. I was sent to Germany Fulda Gap area. I was treated badly when traveling through Airports during that time but nothing I couldn’t handle. San Francisco and DC National come to mind. Jody really doesn’t differentiate between combat and non combat soldiers. I have never considered myself a Vietnam Veteran as I never served “in country” or received any campaign medals. The draft had ended and the protests had diminished significantly. But there are always someone out there exercising their 1st amendment rights no matter how painful it might be to the recipient of their ire. I appreciate what the Vietnam Vets did for our country and support them fully, but I’m not one of them. My service was not the same. I did join the VVA to support them in their fight for VA benefits for Agent Orange. I did so because I feel it was the right thing to do. There by the grace of God go I.

Response by PO3 Kathy Getchey made Aug 28 at 2022 9:41 PM

PO3 Kathy Getchey — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:41:29 -0400

Suffice to say if you were in uniform and not in a combat zone, you are an ERA veteran. If you were in uniform and you WERE in a combat zone, you are NOT an ERA veteran. This division is unnecessary; regardless of who we had to fight, we are all veterans.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Aug 28 at 2022 10:40 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 22:40:59 -0400

No. I enlisted in 1972 and several of my BCT classmates went to VietNam. I served in Germany and went TDY to several places but NOT to VietNam. Therefore I cannot call myself a "Vietnam Vet" because I did not serve there.

Response by SSgt Bruce Probert made Aug 29 at 2022 3:25 AM

SSgt Bruce Probert — Mon, 29 Aug 2022 03:25:50 -0400

Honorable men do not embellish their service. You either were there or you were not, some died on their first baptism of fire some survived the whole tour. Keep you honor clean Semper Fi

Response by CPL Fred Alexander made Aug 29 at 2022 9:51 AM

CPL Fred Alexander — Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:51:29 -0400

It really doesn't matter when a person served; they are a VETERAN! of our country 's military . My brother served during Nam & my Dad served during WW2, THEIR NAMES DIDN'T CHANGE THEY ARE VETERANS.

Response by MSgt Gene Jine made Aug 29 at 2022 12:18 PM

MSgt Gene Jine — Mon, 29 Aug 2022 12:18:14 -0400

I believe Era vets in Germany and other surrounding countries to Vietnam, American service members were in support of efforts in Vietnam veterans. With this in mind they should be greatly appreciated for their support.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Aug 29 at 2022 2:39 PM

SPC Lyle Montgomery — Mon, 29 Aug 2022 14:39:43 -0400

You have had to be in the country to be Vietnam vet. Now those who served on ships off the coast are considered vietnam vets. It dosent matter if you are a clerk, banging on a typewriter or a grunt in the bush, as long as you are in country and aparently the blue water Navy, you are a Vietnam vet. If you served elsewhere than you are a Vietnam era vet. There is no shame in that. You go where they order you to go and you served. That's all that really matters.

Response by 1LT Kenneth Fendley made Sep 25 at 2022 4:54 PM

1LT Kenneth Fendley — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:54:24 -0400

Hell to the no.

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Sep 29 at 2022 5:32 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Thu, 29 Sep 2022 17:32:47 -0400

Actually only 11Bravos should be considered true Vietnam vets ….

Response by CW3 Art Farash made Oct 1 at 2022 7:13 PM

CW3 Art Farash — Sat, 01 Oct 2022 19:13:49 -0400

Yes because growing up during WW II and Korea there were no distictions ever made between those who deployed to combat zone and those who didn't in faact we had Legion and VFW members recognized as WW II who joined in 1946 after hostilities but still considered WW II. Other than the VFW there is no distinction as well as on active duty after Vietnam.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2022 3:10 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 15:10:29 -0400

No more than anyone who hasn’t actually been shot at or engaged in actual combat calling themselves a combat veteran.

Response by SPC Mark Marquette made Oct 13 at 2022 5:30 PM

SPC Mark Marquette — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 17:30:28 -0400

Though I did serve in country, I am really not biased by that. I just believe "Vietnam Vet" is very specific description/distinction: an "honorific", if you will.It's possibly harder to say what you did then if you didn't go over.there.
Most of us were praying for orders to 'Nam in AIT. No "chicken-shit", brass-polishing..."

Response by MAJ Rick Freeman made Oct 13 at 2022 11:31 PM

MAJ Rick Freeman — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 23:31:22 -0400

We needed people in other theaters, not everyone made it in country. What irritates me are those who claim to have been in country and were never in the military. Stolen valor. I have encountered men wearing Vietnam Veteran hats with no other added unit insignia or army division units. I have asked what battalion, gotten an answer but could not tell me which brigade is hey were in. Baloney!
Any vet deserves respect. Imposters do not!
I don’t care how you refer to me. I went over three times. It doesn’t matter. Wanna be’s really piss me off. Give a man respect for what he did. We all had jobs to do and those jobs needed to be done.

Response by PO3 Timothy Lee made Oct 14 at 2022 11:56 AM

PO3 Timothy Lee — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 11:56:21 -0400

Regardless if you was in country or not. You served during that period of time. So that is your label. Look back then our troops where not treated right. You didn’t come home to a hero’s welcome. You was called names and took a lot of abuse which was total bull shit. What majority of those who served was drafted during that period like you had a choice. I would wear that badge with honor. Fuck the haters

Response by Sgt John Burns made Oct 14 at 2022 2:45 PM

Sgt John Burns — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 14:45:39 -0400

I served from 65-69 but never went to Vietnam. I would NEVER consider identifying myself as a Vietnam Vet.

Response by SrA Don Oberlies made Oct 14 at 2022 2:47 PM

SrA Don Oberlies — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 14:47:32 -0400

No. A veteran is a veteran with no separation. Some carried guns some carried wrench’s but we are all veterans serving our country.

Response by SPC Salvatore R LaRosa made Oct 14 at 2022 3:44 PM

SPC Salvatore R LaRosa — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 15:44:53 -0400

I served from 1969-1971 but did not go to Vietnam. Those that did should have that recognition. However, all others should be designated Cold War Veterans and receive any benefits afforded them such as State tax discounts. Vietnam vets should receive more for their bravery and service.

Response by 1SG Rick Seekman made Oct 14 at 2022 8:51 PM

1SG Rick Seekman — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 20:51:19 -0400

No, they should not! Those who stayed back did not endure what those in country did.
It's really sad that there are those that actually think this.

Response by A1C Isa Kocher made Oct 15 at 2022 7:50 AM

A1C Isa Kocher — Sat, 15 Oct 2022 07:50:17 -0400

i'm a vet, discharged 1965. no combat. never in the Southeast. i would NEVERA call myself a vietnam veteran, but a vietnam era vet. actually i say early 60s to make it clear. especially since i am 100% disabled and my injuries all occurred on a 99% civilian air base in logistics command due to an unlit excavation on the shoulder of the curve, nearly cost me my life. i had to be resuscitated after the heart stopped and complete facial reconstruction and lower back injuries, concussion, tbi :-( and never left the lower 48.

vietrnam vet is someone who served in vietnam. a friend of mine who served around the same time got a medal of honor. and no disabilities. gave his to kerry in washington. his service to his country far outweighs anything i did. i enlisted during the cuba crisis, volunteered to serve in vietnam, but fate put me in the hospital first

"RG" was his name and never respected anyone more in my life. he grew up on the Seneca reservation. bi-lingual. US marine. what he lived with the rest of his life is service to your country no one ever should have to go through.

Response by PO2 David Scott made Oct 15 at 2022 3:41 PM

PO2 David Scott — Sat, 15 Oct 2022 15:41:27 -0400

If I heard someone referred to as "Viet Nam Veteran", I would think that they served over there. To the person who said "why werent you there" - the military is like a big machine that has many parts needed to keep it running. A lot of those are not at the forefront. Just something to consider.

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Oct 15 at 2022 6:51 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Sat, 15 Oct 2022 18:51:15 -0400

Only if those Vietnam

Response by SPC Richard Rauenhorst made Oct 16 at 2022 11:33 AM

SPC Richard Rauenhorst — Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:33:36 -0400

As a Vietnam vet my feeling is that unless you served in Vietnam you are an era Vet. My duty was better in Vietnam than at Fort Hood Texas. But being in Vietnam was harder in many other ways. Lack of family contact was huge. You always had the possibility of something bad happening even if in one of the safest places in Nam. There was always a sort of tension which is why I averaged 5 1/2 hrs sleep per night the entire year. I believe that I had on my resume that I served in Germany in any specialist job I would have had a better - easier time getting a good job. My college degree meant nothing through out my working carer. Now after being retired I get respect.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Oct 16 at 2022 2:17 PM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Sun, 16 Oct 2022 14:17:40 -0400

if you served you served, you were not hiding, or burning your draft card, you stood up and answered the call, and went where you were told to go, if you do not feel comfortable, being called a Vietnam vet, just tell the person, yes you served during that time period, but not in Vietnam. I willing to bet, they still say thank you for your service, just tell them thank you, and they were worth it.

Response by PVT Luis Diaz made Oct 16 at 2022 8:47 PM

PVT Luis Diaz — Sun, 16 Oct 2022 20:47:56 -0400

Behind every soldier in Vietnam there was 14 other soldiers supporting them, whether in the US, Germany, or in- country. Vietnam era veterans have earned the title of Vietnam War veterans!

Response by LTC Peyton Williams made Oct 17 at 2022 10:02 AM

LTC Peyton Williams — Mon, 17 Oct 2022 10:02:05 -0400

I agree with you that those who have not served “in-country” should not be addressed as “Vietnam vets.” Calling them Vietnam vets is similar to my calling myself a Desert Storm vet because I was on active duty at the time. I am a Vietnam vet and served in DC when Desert Storm occurred.

Call those who did not serve in-county, Vietnam era vets.

Response by CPT Bob Mason made Oct 17 at 2022 2:21 PM

CPT Bob Mason — Mon, 17 Oct 2022 14:21:33 -0400

I served 2 years active and 13 years active reserves. My active duty (1970-72) was first with the 6th ARCAV and then the 1st INF DIV. My only service overseas was a brief deployment with the 1st INF to Germany for REFORAGER IV. I was not sent in-country, but would have gone if sent. Still, I received the same verbal abuse as my in-country brothers which still stings to this day. I was strongly urged to not wear my uniform when off base in my own country. Having said that, I had two friends (one from my early boyhood) who were sent and did not return. I am a proud veteran but - because of them - I cannot claim the title of Vietnam Veteran.

Response by SP5 Michael Lewis made Oct 17 at 2022 5:34 PM

SP5 Michael Lewis — Mon, 17 Oct 2022 17:34:31 -0400

I joined the US Army when the Vietnam war was coming to a close. I would not feel right claiming the "Vietnam War" status although I enjoy the benefits that I received due to the era. I knew a lot of people who actually fought in the war and they took a lot of hell from the people that they helped stay free when they returned home. The war and all wars mess up our returning service members upon returning to America. I appreciate what they went through to keep us free.

Response by SN John Dilley made Oct 18 at 2022 2:16 AM

SN John Dilley — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 02:16:15 -0400

I believe that anyone who served during the war has the right to refer to themselves as a "Vietnam Era Vet.", but only those who actually participated in the War should be called "Vietnam Vets.".

Response by LCpl Glenn Kellar made Oct 18 at 2022 2:06 PM

LCpl Glenn Kellar — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 14:06:47 -0400

Vietnam (era) vets should get the same respect as any vet. Combat vets deserve respect a notch above that. Being available, but not going is laudable. I am an Era vet and do not feel I deserve the laurels due to those who got shot at

Response by Cpl David Chouinard made Oct 18 at 2022 5:20 PM

Cpl David Chouinard — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 17:20:27 -0400

If they actually served in Vietnam, then yes, they should be called Vietnam Vets.

Response by PO3 Tracy McKone made Oct 18 at 2022 10:25 PM

PO3 Tracy McKone — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 22:25:51 -0400

I understand the situation because I was active duty during the Gulf war but was not in the actual area of conflict. I feel though, when war is active and ongoing, any place in the world can be a target. Foreign or domestic. We signed up with the understanding that our fate lies in the hands of our government. We were committed to do what was needed. Some military personnel engaged in conflict others did not. So, yes...you were a Vietnam vet. I was a gulf war vet. And ALL VETERANS...ALL deserve the respect and should be treated as such by the veterans administration. The government. And all civilians of our country--period.

Response by PO3 Siobhra DeWar made Oct 19 at 2022 9:58 AM

PO3 Siobhra DeWar — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 09:58:54 -0400

My uncle was serving in the army when Peal Harbor happened and served until the war ended. He never left the states but was still called a WWII Vet. If they served during the time of the war they were called WWII vet's. Why is it different about Vietnam? Why do we feel differently about the wars that came after Vietnam?

Response by SPC Michael Peterson made Oct 19 at 2022 5:06 PM

SPC Michael Peterson — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 17:06:41 -0400

Gawd, this site reminds me of sitting st the legion or vfw and listening to all the drunk vet stories…geez…get a life. That was 11 months out of your life 70 years ago. Haven’t you done anything note able since then? Sheesh

Response by SFC William Fowle made Oct 19 at 2022 9:35 PM

SFC William Fowle — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:35:00 -0400

Very simply put: the U.S. Congress defined a Vietnam Veteran as " someone that served 'boots on the ground' or for sailors 'in the waters' of Vietnam. This defines eligibility for multiple disability claims and membership in the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Nothing else defines a Specific Veteran , other than the Congressional definitions for all the various wars we have fought in.
I am a Vietnam vet that also separately qualifies as a Vietnam-era vet.

Response by SP5 Roy Sonye made Oct 20 at 2022 7:22 AM

SP5 Roy Sonye — Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:22:02 -0400

To explain that there three groups of soldiers during that time period
Vietnam veterans,Vietnam era veterans and Cold war veterans
I was sent to Germany in 62 for 2 i/2 years yet I am told I am a Vietnam Era Veteran
that's a load of crap I am a Cold War Veteran an proud of it
SP-5 Roy Sonye

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2022 2:24 PM

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Response by Sgt Jim Robinson made Oct 21 at 2022 9:24 AM

Sgt Jim Robinson — Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:24:50 -0400

Oh Hell no! A Vietnam Vet is a veteran of the Vietnam War. Period! There's no wall with 58000 of our brothers and sisters name on it for the people who did all they could to not go there. I refuse to attend any ceremony referring to Era vets as Namvets. What an insult!
Danang 70-71, in the rear with the gear.

Response by PO1 Don Rowan made Oct 22 at 2022 12:20 PM

PO1 Don Rowan — Sat, 22 Oct 2022 12:20:32 -0400

If you were there I see no problem with it. My older brother died last December from agent orange exposure and he didn't mind.

Response by PO3 James Snyder made Oct 22 at 2022 3:35 PM

PO3 James Snyder — Sat, 22 Oct 2022 15:35:59 -0400

AS A VET OF THAT WAR, AND WHAT I SEE TODAY, ANYONE THAT IS IN THE SERVICE OF THE U.S.A., SHOULD HAVE RESPECT FROM ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE U.S.A.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Oct 22 at 2022 8:16 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Sat, 22 Oct 2022 20:16:53 -0400

Should We Whom Were IN During The Vietnam War Be Called "Vietnam Vets?,

!!!~~OH HELL NO~~!!!

"That Title Should Be Strictly Reserved For Those Of You Who Were There & Served"!!
While Many Of You Were In Muddy Ditches In The Middle Of Combat Fighting For Your Lives, I Was Stationed At OSAN AFB, South Korea, Having A Beer.

~~ GET FUK'EN REAL !! ~~

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Oct 27 at 2022 10:17 AM

1SG James Kelly — Thu, 27 Oct 2022 10:17:57 -0400

JAFV

Response by Sgt Robert Elliott made Oct 28 at 2022 3:10 AM

Sgt Robert Elliott — Fri, 28 Oct 2022 03:10:41 -0400

Sure, Viet era vets COULD have gone. While I was there, I COULD have earned the Medal of Honor. Should I refer to myself as a Medal of Honor recipient? Of course not. COULD have gone and going are two different things. Not to belittle anyone who served. And, they would have gone if called on to do so. But we keep coming back to "they didn't"! They deserve as much respect as I do, but it would be for whatever they did at the time. Serving in uniform is honorable and respectable no matter where you serve. Just claim your accomplishments for what they were. I'm proud that I served in the Marines. If you were in the Navy, you were every bit as good as I was. But don't claim to be a Marine and I won't claim to be a sailor!!! Ok, point made.....I'll shut up about it.

Response by CW4 Peter McHugh made Nov 3 at 2022 12:55 PM

CW4 Peter McHugh — Thu, 03 Nov 2022 12:55:15 -0400

Pretty sure that presence "in country" makes one a Viet Nam Vet .... and, to suggest that because an individual had the luck to be a "REMF" shouldn't degrade that appellation! Even those assignments could be exposed to real danger (motor attacks etc) .... and sometimes from our own folks (fragging, etc). Was a rough time for many deployed folks, and return thru California airports , where we were directed not to wear uniforms leaving the "big birds" on which we returned didn't hide the tell tale haircuts that drew the "spitting" outside the gates .... My two tours "in country" were no where similar to my tours in Germany, Panama, nor the CONUS ... I'm damn proud to be a Viet Nam vet, and not ashamed that when there I was no longer a "leg" thunder stick carrier!

Response by PO1 Charles Clayborn made Nov 16 at 2022 11:50 AM

PO1 Charles Clayborn — Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:50:43 -0500

In my opinion, those who served in Vietnam are "Vietnam Vets". Those who served elsewhere are "Vets" Main emphasis is on the "Vet", not where they served.

Response by CPT Bruce Dow made Nov 16 at 2022 12:55 PM

CPT Bruce Dow — Wed, 16 Nov 2022 12:55:21 -0500

I should not be considered a Vietnam veteran. I served in Korea and stateside

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Nov 17 at 2022 12:35 AM

SPC Daniel Rankin — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 00:35:29 -0500

My father in law was a Vietnam vet and was proud of it, and many other vets that I have met that served there have told me that they were over there and even how many times they served there and do not want anyone to forget that they served there. I agree with this. Vietnam vets served with honor and I do not like how they were treated when they got back home. As a vet in the 91 gulf war many people treated us the same way. And I know the feelings they felt and it hurt deeply even though we never hurt any children in any way. I had friends from school who served over in Nam and came back very different people. Took a long time to get back to a person that was just half normal.

Response by Cpl Wilfred I Banchs made Nov 18 at 2022 9:47 AM

Cpl Wilfred I Banchs — Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:47:21 -0500

I agree with Jack Durish, Viet Name Era is NOT the same as Viet Nam Vet...
One took the incoming and the others just got sweated.
Were they perfectly capable or would have done their duty, most likely, Americans have most often acquitted themselves when facing the elephant.
ALSO OF NOTE:
There is also a BIG difference between just in-country REMF vets and combat arms vets, some of those REMF in country folks were as safe as being in Germany, just saying...

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made Nov 18 at 2022 9:44 PM

SGT Tim Tobin — Fri, 18 Nov 2022 21:44:53 -0500

Asked and answered many times. I'm 71 years old and my time in seems like a lifetime ago. I spent many years not even willing to admit I was a veteran. The days of never leaving a man behind and looking out for your buddies needs to come back for all us old veterans whether in country or not. I was a medic and I was never in country. Is my service any less because I took care of troops after they came off the line? All service is important and everyone said they would defend the country against all enemies foreign and domestic. So let's put this discussion to bed and go have a beer or three!

Response by MSgt Earl King made Nov 19 at 2022 10:06 AM

MSgt Earl King — Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:06:16 -0500

You served in Germany from 62 to 65, and not in country!! My take on this , it's none of your damn business!!

Response by SPC Phil Norton made Nov 20 at 2022 10:51 AM

SPC Phil Norton — Sun, 20 Nov 2022 10:51:14 -0500

If you served during Vietnam you are a Vietnam vet. If you served during desert storm you are a gulf war vet. They even designate Cold War vets. It’s all personal choice as you area vet claim it or don’t can’t be forced anymore.

Response by SPC Kim Price made Nov 20 at 2022 1:53 PM

SPC Kim Price — Sun, 20 Nov 2022 13:53:24 -0500

We were All Government Property !

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Nov 20 at 2022 3:46 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 20 Nov 2022 15:46:46 -0500

This question Vietnam-era veterans keeps coming up. In my opinion as someone who spent two tours in Vietnam one of them interrupted by the plane crash and years getting better it's BS. No one ever called my father-in-law a world war two-era veteran, because he spent the war in New Jersey. No one ever called my brother a Korean war-era veteran because he spent his time in Okinawa.
By my calculations the youngest a person could be that served in the military before the end of the Vietnam war is around 70. If the person you're talking to is over 70 and says he's a veteran, I personally think it's an insult to ask him to clarify that by telling you where and when he served.

Response by CPO Kenneth Kalish made Nov 21 at 2022 11:55 AM

CPO Kenneth Kalish — Mon, 21 Nov 2022 11:55:50 -0500

I once worked with a man who was a Vietnamese refugee and an Air Force pilot. His response to this question was that by this logic, he was a Viet Nam Vet: A Vietnamese refugee who had enlisted in the USAF, served, and was honorably discharged. He did not serve during the war years.

Response by LCpl Harry Doud made Nov 21 at 2022 4:01 PM

LCpl Harry Doud — Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:01:54 -0500

I served in Vietnam from 1967-1968 with the USMC and when i came home i had to deal with a lot of verbal abuse. i will always be proud of having served my country regardless of how these people felt!

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Nov 21 at 2022 6:48 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:48:08 -0500

11Bravos know what it is to carry their life long possessions in a little backpack ….pictures and such ….things that we carried …and knowing that we may not return ….one’s life is meaningless …there deep down in the mud …..

Response by 1LT Charles Dale made Nov 22 at 2022 10:16 AM

1LT Charles Dale — Tue, 22 Nov 2022 10:16:54 -0500

I think there is a big difference between serving in Vietnam and serving elsewhere.

Response by 1LT Charles Dale made Nov 22 at 2022 10:16 AM

1LT Charles Dale — Tue, 22 Nov 2022 10:16:55 -0500

I think there is a big difference between serving in Vietnam and serving elsewhere.

Response by Sgt Stephen Chiles made Nov 23 at 2022 4:45 AM

Sgt Stephen Chiles — Wed, 23 Nov 2022 04:45:35 -0500

I have heard both sdes of this arguement many times. My father was a Vietnam vet. I very well remember the things that were said about our soldier, sailors marines and airmen during that time period. I also saw many of the coffins being returned to the states when dad was stationed in Panama before we returned to CONUS.

My personal feeling is "No", they should not be refered to in that way. They are Vietnam Era vets if they did not serve even one day in country. In my opinion that is stolen valor even if it does not qualify under law.

And to be fair, I have met a few young service members and veterans who claim to be Desert Storm, OIF and OEF veterans when I know for a fact they never left the states or if they did, it was a reforger or red flag exercise in Europe somewhere.

I am a Cold War vet. I claim nothing other than having served. And I am proud of that legacy.

Response by PVT John Maloney made Nov 23 at 2022 9:44 AM

PVT John Maloney — Wed, 23 Nov 2022 09:44:22 -0500

I'm one of those Vietnam-era veterans. I do not call myself a Vietnam Veteran. I do not feel like a Vietnam Veteran. I served 1973-1975. I enlisted at 17. I couldn't have gone to Vietnam if I'd wanted to (I didn't want to).
I think of myself as a Cold War vet. We were expecting to go to war in Europe, not Southeast Asia. At the time, war with Soviets was thought likely. Rather than feeling guilty for not serving in Vietnam, I am proud to have stood ready for WW3.

Response by A1C Bernadette Sava made Nov 27 at 2022 9:25 AM

A1C Bernadette Sava — Sun, 27 Nov 2022 09:25:32 -0500

A veteran is a veteran. Why does everything require a label? It doesn't matter when you served and in my opinion doesn't require specification.

Response by Cpl Dennis F. made Nov 27 at 2022 11:16 AM

Cpl Dennis F. — Sun, 27 Nov 2022 11:16:50 -0500

At this point in my life, I dont care what you call them!
Being a Marine, I knew exactly where I was going the minute I signed that paper.
But dont expect me to believe any of your OK./Germany sea stories. I'll know!

Response by SGT Peter Hayes made Nov 27 at 2022 11:42 AM

SGT Peter Hayes — Sun, 27 Nov 2022 11:42:39 -0500

no i don't think if your a Era vet you should be addressed as a Vietnam Vet I am a era vet and i make sure when people ask me i tell them I am a era vet i think the Vietnam vet deserves a lot more respect. Just my opinion

Response by PO2 Tom Hauser made Nov 27 at 2022 2:52 PM

PO2 Tom Hauser — Sun, 27 Nov 2022 14:52:11 -0500

Vietnam Vets - I served aboard the USS Rainier (AE-5) in 1967 - we assisted the USS Forrestal when it caught on fire with a loan of our corpsman that was taken off our ship in a Boatswain Chair to a destroyer and then helicoptered over to the carrier burning on the horizon. We UNREPPED bombs, rockets and shells at Yankee Station and up and down the coast from Market Time down south to Yankee Station up North off the coast of North Vietnam - we even carried a nuke onboard from Seal Beach Naval Weapons Station and an EOD Warrant to babysit the nuke; served with a Navy Seabee detachment at Phu Bai 1968-1969 supporting Marines, 5th Special Forces, Marine Air Group, etc. and during those years we went through TET and later Hamburger Hill that we directly supported. During those years we came under rocket, mortar, sniper fire and got involved in fire fights. Our Navy detachment never went looking for Charlie but he sure to hell found us a lot. Vietnam Vets are just that - if you rate wearing the Vietnam Service Medal or Vietnam Campaign Medal then you are a "Vietnam Vet". If you served in the military during those decade plus long Vietnam war years you served your country well in a very difficult and divisive time in our nation's history. You received the same disrespect for your uniform as we did when we returned on that Freedom Bird to the land of the Big PX. My son is a Wounded Warrior having served with SOF CENTCOM & First CAV in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and other areas. When he came home from those many deployments in harm's way - he was met by a nation that respected his service and his and his family's sacrifice - during the Vietnam War years we were not. If you are eligible to join the VFW or the VVA you are a Vietnam Vet - if not as a Vietnam Era Veteran you are still eligible to join the American Legion - all three of these organizations desperately need your support and membership. Thank you for your service!!!

Response by SSgt Carroll Straus made Nov 27 at 2022 4:39 PM

SSgt Carroll Straus — Sun, 27 Nov 2022 16:39:46 -0500

I’m a Vietnam era vet. I was not drafted nor subjected to combat, because I’m female. I don’t claim to be a Vietnam vet.

Response by PO3 Randy Rock made Nov 27 at 2022 9:14 PM

PO3 Randy Rock — Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:14:17 -0500

I admire and honor those who were in action in Vietnam. I never made it to Vietnam though I was on the volunteer list. I feel like I did serve. I was in a NAVCOMSTA in Naples Italy and played an important role in receiving and delivering top secret messages. A special designation for those in action for sure! But I feel like I served also.

Response by Cpl Edward Bassett made Nov 28 at 2022 7:08 AM

Cpl Edward Bassett — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 07:08:44 -0500

YES

Response by SPC Woody Bullard made Nov 28 at 2022 11:07 AM

SPC Woody Bullard — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 11:07:11 -0500

**NO**!!! I'm a Cold War veteran active duty in the Federal Republic of Germany 1969-1971.

Response by SGM Tere Moore made Nov 30 at 2022 5:51 PM

SGM Tere Moore — Wed, 30 Nov 2022 17:51:53 -0500

I Always say I'm a Vietnam Era veteran. Do note that even though I did not physically serve there, I too (even as a female) got push-back in the 70's & thru the 80's... just as if I had served there. In a related incident, I was in my dress-greens on Recruiting duty in the 1980's when an older man approached me & told me to take the SGT stripes off my uniform. He said because I was a girl, I could not wear those stripes. Geesh! Also, the military & civilian benefits and perks are the same. I get a Huge discount on my car registration (living in NV) because of my active-duty service during the Vietnam years.

Response by SGT Paul Harman made Dec 2 at 2022 9:56 PM

SGT Paul Harman — Fri, 02 Dec 2022 21:56:06 -0500

No, those serving stateside or in Germany weren’t at tisk of daily skirmishes, booby traps, mortar fire at night or ambushes. In a combat zone your life is at risk 24-7. Certainly not that way for those who served in Europe or stateside.

Response by Cpl Tony Simpson made Dec 24 at 2022 10:06 AM

Cpl Tony Simpson — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 10:06:45 -0500

If a person served IN Vietnam that person is a Vietnam Vet If not he 'she is not a Vietnam Vet

Response by SPC Kent Laughlin made Jan 8 at 2023 1:17 PM

SPC Kent Laughlin — Sun, 08 Jan 2023 13:17:09 -0500

It seems rather simple to me, a Vietnam Veteran served in Vietnam. All of our brothers and sisters in service at that time can easily be referred to as "Vietnam Era Veterans" ..

Response by PO2 John Florio made Jan 9 at 2023 12:19 AM

PO2 John Florio — Mon, 09 Jan 2023 00:19:51 -0500

If anyone put the uniform on during the Vietnam War ,they are Vietnam War Veterans Not Vietnam Veterans.There is a distinction in my opinion.

Response by CPT James Burkholder made Jan 9 at 2023 11:48 AM

CPT James Burkholder — Mon, 09 Jan 2023 11:48:54 -0500

I don't really know the answer. There is a problem in dividing vets into smaller and smaller groups though. I was in a medical unit in a support base. Although we saw the dragon ships firing, and the ammo dump got blown up once, I never slooged though the jungle nor woried about pungi stakes. Should I be referred to as a Vietnam Support Vet? The basic question will go on forever.

Response by CPT James Burkholder made Jan 9 at 2023 11:57 AM

CPT James Burkholder — Mon, 09 Jan 2023 11:57:28 -0500

I don't know the answer but do see a problem with dividing vets into smaller and smaller groups. The discussion will probably go on untill all who served inn Vietnam have passed. In a similar manner, should people who served in country, but no actually in deployed combat units be referred to as "Vietnam support vetern"? I was one such person and never actuallly faced fire, slogged through the jungles or worried about Pungi stakes.

Response by PO1 Doug Williams made Jan 9 at 2023 5:09 PM

PO1 Doug Williams — Mon, 09 Jan 2023 17:09:17 -0500

Absolutely not. If you didn't have-boots on ground- in Country, then you can't claim that title.
Is there an Iraq Era veteran or Afghanistan Era?

Response by PV2 Patrick Meenan made Jan 9 at 2023 8:31 PM

PV2 Patrick Meenan — Mon, 09 Jan 2023 20:31:28 -0500

Mixed emotions on this no i am not a Vietnam vet enlisted in Oct 72 when i was 17 lived thru a lot of anti war stuff but did what I all ways said I would in May of 73 I was in a i t , at dix they sent us to Patterson nj for a Memorial Day parade all hell broke loose eggd our bus then us tried to take the flag and spit threw whatever they could at us and use your imagination as far as words but we did keep our flag and kept our ranks tight. I did serve in Germany

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2023 12:29 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2023 00:29:40 -0500

Unpopular opinion here, but no. If you didn’t serve in theater, you’re not a Vietnam Vet. Same as if you didn’t go to Iraq/Afghanistan, you’re not a vet of those campaigns either. Of course there are exceptions for ships in the waters off the combat zone and pilots doing missions in country from bases elsewhere. That’s my two cents.

Response by Sgt Mike Fox made Jan 10 at 2023 11:33 AM

Sgt Mike Fox — Tue, 10 Jan 2023 11:33:35 -0500

I have a friend who's father passed away recently. He served in Korea (Army) in the early 1960's (after the 1953 armistice). Obviously the DMZ was a tense place to be, but he never saw actual combat. Nevertheless, he was always proud of his service in Korea. When he passed he was eligible to be buried at a National Cemetery (which he was). When my buddy visited the grave a couple of months after the funeral, he was surprised to see that the headstone said "Vietnam" on it. He reported the 'mistake' to the cemetery officials and they told him that it was correct because he was in the "Vietnam era". All of us think this is ridiculous. His dad never set foot in Vietnam and was quite proud of serving in Korea. This seems to me to be another example of the government trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made Jan 10 at 2023 11:39 AM

MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan — Tue, 10 Jan 2023 11:39:44 -0500

Let's do a comparison....those of us who had family members in service during WWII never heard a distinction between those who remained stateside for whatever reason and those who were under fire. If you are a veteran, then you are a veteran, plain and simple. Maybe delineating between those who had to go to the jungle and those who did not creates a divide that separates us from one another. Did I go..no; was I willing and ready..yes. Luck of the draw, so to speak. Our common ground is that we were all defending freedom, and with that being the bottom line let's just be appreciative and supportive of each other.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Jan 10 at 2023 11:48 AM

SP5 Donna Barr — Tue, 10 Jan 2023 11:48:53 -0500

I'm Vietnam-era Vet, and fine with that. As for the "Hippies picked on me!" whine, that's Lifer Woodstock: they all use it to get sympathy.

Response by SSG Merry Metzler made Jan 10 at 2023 3:04 PM

SSG Merry Metzler — Tue, 10 Jan 2023 15:04:37 -0500

As a Viet Nam 'Era" vet - that's what I am. Didn't join up until '74 & never had boots on the ground. I am what I am!

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Jan 10 at 2023 11:58 PM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Tue, 10 Jan 2023 23:58:20 -0500

In 2023 you are not an OEF or OIF vet if you did not go downrange and I do not feel it should be any different for a conflict that ended 47 years ago.

Response by Sgt David Scott made Jan 11 at 2023 2:23 PM

Sgt David Scott — Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:23:11 -0500

Without a Doubt!!! Speaking for myself and many that I served with from 1968 to 1971. You meet a lot of Korean War Vets as well as WWII vets and they are all called Vets, not Error Vets. Seems that some just feel better than others. I know I was proud and I am proud to state that I served my Country as she felt was appropriate, and Yes I have "Viet Nam Era Vet" plates on my cars.

Response by SPC Fred Tarantino made Jan 11 at 2023 4:07 PM

SPC Fred Tarantino — Wed, 11 Jan 2023 16:07:55 -0500

SP/4 Fred Tarantino I served in the Army from 1972-1978 and then went in to the Army National Guard. I do call myself a Vietnam era Vet because I was never there. I've always served with the Military Police. My point being is that some of us never been in a Declared War Zone but most ALL of us were real warriors who put our lives on the line over and over again. We would be considered lucky just to get a compliment. Most of the time we got absolutely nothing. Just one example. I took down one KGB officer in Fluda W. Germany in 1973 over a several week investigation. My investigation sixteen hour days. All I got was a thank you and was ordered to keep my mouth shut. That was the way it was back then but I do salute all the combat veterans who suffered to make this world a better place. Better men than me!

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Jan 11 at 2023 8:43 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Wed, 11 Jan 2023 20:43:10 -0500

UH ~~~~~~~ "NO" !

Actually "OH HELL NO"!
That Title Belongs To
Those Whom Were There.!

Response by Sgt Eric Guerrero made Jan 11 at 2023 10:45 PM

Sgt Eric Guerrero — Wed, 11 Jan 2023 22:45:07 -0500

operation new arrivals 1975 Camp Pendleton thousands of Vietnamese were housed and cared for including 4,000 babies . We separated the Cambodians from the Vietnamese, ok we were not in country but we did our duty , I am proud of what was asked of me , as I am proud of ever single Vietnam vet,

Response by PO1 Terry Scott made Jan 25 at 2023 2:03 PM

PO1 Terry Scott — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 14:03:58 -0500

I let them think what they want until it matters then explain that was one of the SE Asian countries I wasn’t in. Then to lighten it up I mention that’s when I learned to eat soup with chopsticks.

Response by 1LT John Grygiel made Jan 28 at 2023 9:38 AM

1LT John Grygiel — Sat, 28 Jan 2023 09:38:13 -0500

I served from 62 to 65, first as a training company commander at Ft Dix, NJ. I put in several requests to join my fellow officers who were serving in Vietnam. All were declined. Instead I was placed in charge of all the live fire ranges as a 1'st lt.
My younger brother, who was teaching at Anacostia HS, drew a high number. After long and searching discussions I told him to follow his heart. He broke my father's heart, who served the entire WWII as head of our local draft board. Dad wanted to serve but on his way to be sworn in was hit by a truck and both his ankles were broken.
My brother died as the result of a vehicle accident in Turkey and has left me with survivors guilt. Given the present history of the aftermath of the VN war, I'm not sure if his decision was wrong. However, I feel like a fraud given his needless death and guilty of sending countless young men into the war as cannon fodder.

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made Feb 14 at 2023 1:48 PM

LTC Charles Patchin — Tue, 14 Feb 2023 13:48:56 -0500

I ask the questions: Are World War 1 veterans who stayed in the States still World War 1 vets? And the same for World War 2 Veterans and Korea Vets? So why should veterans who served during the timeframe of the Vietnam War not be called Vietnam Vets. Why was my wife, who was in the Medical Corps in the States spit on and called a Baby Killer when she never was in Vietnam? What do you call men that served in Laos and Cambodia but never went to Vietnam? What does one call a person stationed in England during the Vietnam timeframe. Why didn't every person in every service go to Vietnam? Why are you asking this question? Let those of us who were in Vietnam, or not, call us what we want to.

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Feb 26 at 2023 9:24 PM

SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 21:24:41 -0500

Okay, VietNam Vets can have their "special" designation. When I came down on a VietNam levy I was taken off of it because I was already tapped for a "HIGHER PRIORITY" assignment and was waiting for my TS/CRYPTO/ATOMAL clearance to complete for this assignment. I stayed on that assignment 4 1/2 years until VietNam was over. So I never went to Nam and I have never felt the need to claim anything I wasn't directly involved in.

AND as I was passing through Atlanta Airport, and because we had to Fly in Class A uniform then I got spat on by some skanky (I believe) college girl and called nasty names. That was just a "rite of passage" HAHAHA!

Response by SFC Gary Fox made Mar 12 at 2023 8:54 AM

SFC Gary Fox — Sun, 12 Mar 2023 08:54:27 -0400

I don't know of any state that considers a Vietnam Era Veteran as a Vietnam Veteran. If they do, they are wrong.

Response by PO2 Michael Titus made Mar 12 at 2023 9:39 PM

PO2 Michael Titus — Sun, 12 Mar 2023 21:39:37 -0400

NO, you either served there, or you DID NOT. Simple as that. The public's ignorance should have zero influence here.

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Mar 12 at 2023 9:55 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Sun, 12 Mar 2023 21:55:43 -0400

Remember everyone deployed …….

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Mar 12 at 2023 10:21 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Sun, 12 Mar 2023 22:21:46 -0400

Only if u were 11Bravo ….those guys were at the ready and next man up ….

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Mar 12 at 2023 10:43 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Sun, 12 Mar 2023 22:43:14 -0400

Where’s my post ????

Response by 1stSgt Ronald Sheps made Mar 13 at 2023 12:07 PM

1stSgt Ronald Sheps — Mon, 13 Mar 2023 12:07:38 -0400

I was old enough to go to Woodstock but didn't go. What is the difference?

Response by SPC Raymond S Peterson made Mar 13 at 2023 2:14 PM

SPC Raymond S Peterson — Mon, 13 Mar 2023 14:14:30 -0400

I think it's up to each individual Veteran who served during that period of time to tell the truth when asked whether or not he served in country or not. We were all Brothers and Sisters and suffered the same abuse whether we were there or not. Without everyone doing their job whether they were there or not we would not have been able to do our job on the front lines In Vietnam. There is definitely nothing to be ashamed of. Yes there are a lot of phonies out there and people who love to tell stories who weren't there, But that's always going to happen no matter what. That's just my opinion! A2nd./503rd.173rd.

Response by PO3 William Carroll made Mar 13 at 2023 2:58 PM

PO3 William Carroll — Mon, 13 Mar 2023 14:58:08 -0400

If you were in any branch of the military during the Vietnam war era. You could have been sent to Vietnam overnight. You understood that the day you signed your paperwork. I joined on a 90-day late playing so I can go into the Navy the branch I chose not what my draft paper would have told me where I was going to. I am a Vietnam veteran era service number. However I did not go to Vietnam. But I'm very well could have been sent there. I wanted to give a free ticket when I join the neighbors saying just playing does not go to Vietnam. That's why I feel I am a Vietnam veteran. And three girl

Response by SSG Jonathan Sampey made Mar 14 at 2023 9:16 PM

SSG Jonathan Sampey — Tue, 14 Mar 2023 21:16:11 -0400

I think the veterans who were in Vietnam should be called "Vietnam combat vets" and others as "Vietnam vets". I do get a little angry that guys who were drafted raise a stink about all this and I Volunteered and enlisted, just didn't get sent.

Response by CPL Thomas Smith made Mar 15 at 2023 11:30 AM

CPL Thomas Smith — Wed, 15 Mar 2023 11:30:45 -0400

yes. I am an in country vet

Response by SN Joseph Garcia made Mar 15 at 2023 11:51 AM

SN Joseph Garcia — Wed, 15 Mar 2023 11:51:49 -0400

its better than losers

Response by SPC Judy Hernandez made Mar 16 at 2023 8:11 AM

SPC Judy Hernandez — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 08:11:07 -0400

My father did two tours to Vietnam on ground and my uncle did 3 tours. I address them as Vietnam Vets. They almost nearly died too. Rest in peace to both.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2023 12:13 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 12:13:25 -0400

With everything else to worry about, who the hell cares. A vet is a vet-let's not get all snowflake-ish. TFO. Dumbest

Response by SPC Kynthia Rosgeal made Mar 16 at 2023 7:31 PM

SPC Kynthia Rosgeal — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:31:00 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era vet. I was trained and ready to serve, it did not happen. I do not call myself a Vietnam veteran. I reserve that for my sisters and brothers who served in country. I make sure the "era" is understood

Response by AN Tony Leding made Mar 16 at 2023 8:32 PM

AN Tony Leding — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 20:32:03 -0400

I think Capt. Durish's post states it perfectly: "Vietnam Era Vets are not Vietnam Vets". When used in the context of the phrase "Vietnam Vet", the word "Vietnam" almost always indicates the Vietnam War - not the era in which one served. Similarly, there is no such thing as a "European Vet" or a "Middle East Vet" but there are WW2 and Gulf War vets.

Response by SP5 Raoul Miranda made Mar 16 at 2023 10:04 PM

SP5 Raoul Miranda — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 22:04:24 -0400

As a draftee of the selected many to serve in the Army of the United States (US) Every person in the army went to where they were ordered to report to their assigned Duty station. Your choice
was not yours. I was sent to Walter Reed Army Medical for permanent assignment. That was choice was the army’s. So what ever one wants to called is their choice. I served from 66 to 68. One of many (66k) that month. And selected out half way through my graduate studies.
That is my take!

Response by MSgt Nancy Jones made Mar 17 at 2023 1:44 PM

MSgt Nancy Jones — Fri, 17 Mar 2023 13:44:37 -0400

As a Vietnam Era Veteran I think the distinction is appropriate. Could I have been sent there yes but I wasn’t. I did receive some of the abuse many service member did during that time. I also worked McChord AFB in Port Separations and saw those coming back. You cloud see in their eyes that they went through something that would be with them for life. I will not claim to or suggest that I was in country.

I claim Vietnam Era and salute and welcome home all the were in country.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2023 4:10 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Mar 2023 16:10:42 -0400

My Father in Law hates When he is Disrespected. and People don't or Can't understand what these Great vets have gone Through. He does not talk about it much. I think after coming home and called Vile names and spit upon. He RETIRED and Now helps Other Vets Get their VA benefits, and Helps Getting Other Paper work done. Call Him A VET, All he wants is to try and forget it. Yup so I call him Dad and a VET!

Response by SSgt Louis Watts made Mar 19 at 2023 1:16 PM

SSgt Louis Watts — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 13:16:15 -0400

Either your feet were on the ground in Viet Nam or they weren’t. If they were you are a Viet Nam vet. If they were not then you can call yourself a Viet Nam ERA vet but you are not a Viet Nam vet. It’s that simple.

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Mar 19 at 2023 2:45 PM

PO1 Frank Downs — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 14:45:29 -0400

I served at the end 1976, I got the Vietnam VA benefits but wasn’t eligible for the National Defense or Vietnam Service awards, I did however got all the name calling, I consider myself as a Vietnam era Vet.
I had a brother who step foot in Vietnam for One day then recalled back to the States and later died of condition related to Agent Orange is he a Vietnam Vet or Vietnam era Vet? How about all the Navy guys who never went ashore but sat off the coast for 6 months.

Response by SPC Donald Kransteuber made Mar 19 at 2023 4:49 PM

SPC Donald Kransteuber — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 16:49:07 -0400

I had two orders to go there both times. I was lucky enough not to be able to go, so I don’t consider myself a Vietnam vet. I was in Germany.

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made Mar 19 at 2023 6:07 PM

CAPT Edward Schmitt — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 18:07:27 -0400

In my opinion ABSOLUTELY. Most, if not all, had the potential to be transferred to Vietnam. Serve in the US military and go where you are ordered.

Response by MAJ Alan Montgomery made Mar 19 at 2023 9:23 PM

MAJ Alan Montgomery — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 21:23:35 -0400

You got lucky thru no fault of your own. You served during Vietnam, just as soldiers in WWII and Korea served. Many served in the pentagon; others served to train soldiers; some even served to recruit other soldiers; some even served in hospitals; others served packing material for those in Nam and other forward-deployed areas like Germany. Some served at Tan Son Nhut and Saigon and never spent a night on an NDP or on as part of an ambush patrol. Some served in Korea, others in Italy, Turkey, Germany, even Hawaii. Some served on ships, others served at 10,000 feet. THE POINT IS THEY SERVED. Some of those who served came home, and others came home on their shield. NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR SERVING. You went where your country needed you to go. NEVER COMPLAIN BECAUSE YOU SERVED AND WEREN'T WOUNDED or KILLED. You had what it takes to SERVE when others either lacked the courage or chose not to serve. You had the metal to serve while others didn't. Quit the pity party and take PRIDE that you had the balls to serve while others headed for Canada. I don't give a damn if you were a cook at I Corps, carried an M-16 in a rice paddy, or drove a tank in Germany. You served when others didn't. That say's it all. You want recognition, play football or basketball.

Response by LCpl Paul Miller made Mar 20 at 2023 12:00 AM

LCpl Paul Miller — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 00:00:01 -0400

I'm just a shitbird who wasn't sent. So ... I don't think I have any reason to be called a vet. I have no car, no medals, was never in the viet nam jungle with the snakes, scorpions, bugs, agent orange and death screaming past my ears. I'm a Marine but NOT a combat Marine. So ... again NO.

Response by SPC Maurice Evans made Mar 20 at 2023 7:12 AM

SPC Maurice Evans — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 07:12:10 -0400

I was drafted and was Communications specialist. Overseas I served in Korea and was omly in service two years. Missed going to Viet Nam 5 times will not explain here. I am not a Viet nam vet. Though at the VA it seems not doctors and workers but people in waiting room look down on me because I did not serve in Viet Nam. I don't ever tell them my job and just keep quiet.

Response by PFC Steven Rosenberg made Mar 20 at 2023 9:54 AM

PFC Steven Rosenberg — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 09:54:43 -0400

When asked I always tell people I served during Vietnam; however, I alway make sure to add that I never went there. I was stationed at Ft Benning and would never address myself as a Vietnam Vet. If asked on an application I would check the box that says Vietnam “Era” Vet.

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made Mar 20 at 2023 11:45 AM

PO1 William Van Syckle — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 11:45:31 -0400

What about the WWII vets. Some went overseas and some didn’t. The same for Korean War vets. Some went and some didn’t. They are still called WWII veterans and Korean War veterans. They are not called “Era” veterans. Make up your minds. Can’t have it both ways… It should be noted that the organization called Vietnam Veterans of America calls All Era, Vietnam Veterans. Think about it…..

Response by SPC John Huetz made Mar 20 at 2023 2:02 PM

SPC John Huetz — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 14:02:36 -0400

A War is a War and each one has its significance, none worse nor better than the other, everyone served as expected, credit is deserved across the board.

Response by SPC John Huetz made Mar 20 at 2023 2:05 PM

SPC John Huetz — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 14:05:36 -0400

A War is a War, each its own significance, none worse nor better than the other, we all served and did our duty. Equal recognition across the board.

Response by CPL Stephen Hemmert made Mar 20 at 2023 2:37 PM

CPL Stephen Hemmert — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 14:37:35 -0400

I was in the 196th Light Infantry Brigade and was award a Purple Heart w/OLC. My baseball cap has A 3/21 on the side of the 196th frontal patch. The other side has a CIB. Some of my tee shirts are 196th LIB shirt. I see many caps with just a division patch. My wife was in the Women's Army Corp during the Vietnam War and served stateside. She has several caps and tee-shirts that indicate Women's Army Corp or Women Veteran. Frankly, we can be standing together with the attire I just mentioned and fellow veterans look right past her and do not acknowledge her service. People only see me. That being said, we know there were members of the Women's Army Corp, as well as women nurses, who served in-country. My wife always indicates she is a Vietnam Era veterans and did not serve in-country. I checked ebay and there was caps that do indicate "Vietnam Era" veteran. So, if one wants to be true to the nature of his or her service, they can purchase the appropriate cap. I have acquaintances who wear a generic "Army Veteran" or "Navy Veteran" cap. Perhaps, they are self disciplining themselves. Maybe, others were only able to find a"Vietnam War" cap. Maybe, some want to make their service more than it was? Who knows? Because of the treatment I received not just from the general public, but also from WW2 veterans who proclaimed I was in "a pea shooter war" it took a long time to buy my baseball cap and tee shirt. I leave it up to the individual to proclaim how he or she served. BTW, if you're going to be interned in a national cemetery, if you do not already know, the designation on your crypt or grave marker is going to read "Vietnam." The grave markers are designated by "War Period," whether you served in-county or stateside. Maybe, the important thing is that you served, and, not let anyone assume more than that. If asked, be truthful.

Response by SSG Steve Knox made Mar 20 at 2023 4:45 PM

SSG Steve Knox — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 16:45:55 -0400

On my first tour to Iraq in 2005, we had a layover. Vietnam era veterans lined the boarding terminal and saluted us as we boarded the plane. I have never felt so proud, I call them ALL, my HERO..

Response by CSM Henry Suddarth made Mar 21 at 2023 8:16 PM

CSM Henry Suddarth — Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:16:56 -0400

We are all vets regardless where and when you served.

Response by SFC James High made Mar 22 at 2023 10:21 AM

SFC James High — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 10:21:19 -0400

I think it should not be a blanket statement, however, a large portion of Men were drafted into the Army & other branches to serve and some of them may not have actually made it in country, but being drafted (or recalled) for the conflict should get you the privilege's. Also, This country did have Men who like in all times our country needed them to, they volunteered, but there again they didn't always make in country. I think that should be considered as well. A Combat Patch is not the only way to determine a Veteran's status.

Response by SSG Franklin Briant made Mar 22 at 2023 1:33 PM

SSG Franklin Briant — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:33:29 -0400

All veterans of long duration wars have been referred to as veterans of that war, why should it be any difference for Viet Nam veterans.

Response by SSgt Hal Kiah made Mar 22 at 2023 4:34 PM

SSgt Hal Kiah — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:34:35 -0400

While there are many on both sides of this question in favor, and Not in favor, myself, while being and ERA veteran, I trey hard to make it known that I am Not a Vietnam veteran, but a Vietnam ERA veteran.
When that label was first put to me when I enlisted, I stated very clearly, “How can you designate me as being a Vietnam vet when I haven’t been there, and obviously would not Be stationed there?” (February 1975, and everything was in the process of winding down.
Over the years, I have spoken with any number of Nam vets about this, and in several cases, I was given hats stating “Vietnam Veteran,” and told that, “At the very Least, accept it in recognition of those who served and died there! And make sure that you Honor their sacrifice. WE didn’t Get that recognition when we came back!”
I still have those hats, and will keep them close by. But at the same time, while wearing the nam Era hat, I specific to people my position and that I have not served in that theater of operations.
To all my brothers and sisters who Sis…… Thank You for serving, and… welcome home, God be with you, always

Response by LCpl Glenn Kellar made Mar 25 at 2023 7:08 PM

LCpl Glenn Kellar — Sat, 25 Mar 2023 19:08:25 -0400

I think there is a distinct difference between 'era' who were essential to support the 'vets' . I am proud to refer to myself as 'era'. As above, I stood ready, but never exchanged bullets

Response by PO1 Woody W. made Mar 26 at 2023 8:42 PM

PO1 Woody W. — Sun, 26 Mar 2023 20:42:51 -0400

When I enlisted.... (02/1976), I was in "Boot Camp" when "Vietnam Era" was brought to a close. Does that make me a Vietnam Era Vet? IMNSHO, Hell No! Does that mean my 22 years of Blue, Green and Brown Water Navy Service was any less distinguished? Absolutely Not.
I've meet many a Vietnam In Country Vets..... Some were some of the most "hard Core REMF legends in the their own mind." Others, were very humbled and haunted hard core combat veterans I've had the honor and pleasure of meeting.

Response by SMSgt Michael Gleason made Mar 26 at 2023 9:39 PM

SMSgt Michael Gleason — Sun, 26 Mar 2023 21:39:36 -0400

Even though I trained in jungle warfare as an Infantry trainee at "Tigerland" in Fort Polk in 1968, I thank God that I was sent to Korea, instead. Resultantly, I am NOT a "Vietnam Veteran". I will not attend "events" that are labeled as being for "Viietnam Veterans", and if a group of "Vietnam Veterans" is marching in a parade, I will not march with them. On the other hand, if an "event" is for "Vietnam-Era Veterans" I will attend (such as a Vietnam-Era Veteran breakfast I'll be attending in two days) or a group marching is identified as "Vietnam-Era Veterans", I would join them.

Response by SFC Kirk Kinley made Mar 28 at 2023 5:51 PM

SFC Kirk Kinley — Tue, 28 Mar 2023 17:51:16 -0400

I was not in country in VN, but I was on active duty from 1966 - 1986. I am a Vietnam Era Vet not a Vietnam Vet.

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made Apr 6 at 2023 7:33 PM

CAPT Edward Schmitt — Thu, 06 Apr 2023 19:33:32 -0400

They are Vietnam vets

Response by SPC Edward T Harris made Apr 30 at 2023 7:27 PM

SPC Edward T Harris — Sun, 30 Apr 2023 19:27:26 -0400

I was infantry from the beginning 1971 and was sent to Germany. If I was called to go to Viet Nam, I would have. But I wasn't. In one way, yes I was in during that time, but I wasn't called to Nam. I am happy being called A Viet Nam Era Veteran with a Blue Infantry Shoulder Cord and the French Fourragere

Response by SGT John Schmelzkopf made Apr 30 at 2023 11:47 PM

SGT John Schmelzkopf — Sun, 30 Apr 2023 23:47:54 -0400

May 11 will be 58 years since my first tour, as long as its not a Sen Blumenthal, who I always refer to as "War Hero", they all served and took their chances. They stayed and served as many went to Colledge or Canada. By the way my "Herd" Platoon Mates will be in Columbus and Fort Benning this week May 5-7, for our last Reunion, about 10 or 15 Brothers most with wives. They've been having one every 2 or 3 years, I went to the 1997 in Tucson, even had a bunch do a Skydive in Marana. Then I went to 50 year in 2015 at Vegas, wont be going but we still keep in touch.

Response by SSG Mike Angelo made May 5 at 2023 12:20 AM

SSG Mike Angelo — Fri, 05 May 2023 00:20:58 -0400

I went in 76, n observed those that returned to duty. Some were messed up, while others came back in to do their time. I was in Germany 78-80 during the Western Hostage Crisis in Iran. I testify that our units were constantly on alert, some units sending dependents home. My point is that there is impact those in combat areas as well as those assigned elsewhere.

Response by LCDR Frank Frederick MaxantI made May 26 at 2023 4:41 AM

LCDR Frank Frederick MaxantI — Fri, 26 May 2023 04:41:28 -0400

As a Vietnam era vet who never got any further West than East Orange, Texas, I am always careful to specify that I am a Vietnam ERA vet. I do this out of respect for those who served in-country. I had one friend and two acquaintances who came back feet first, a friend who spent many years in Chelsea Naval Hospital recovering from combat wounds, and a friend I met after he returned from FIVE tours. A Marine Engineer Major, he was awarded the Silver Star for defending his position without loss of life while everyone else was being overrun during the Tet offensive. He never recovered from his emotional wounds.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2023 5:11 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 27 May 2023 17:11:04 -0400

Why should anyone care? A Marine fresh out of BC,ATR/ITR/ Cold weather training, has no say in where they go next. Two members of my Platoon went to 2dif.locations, in the S Pacific. I went to Okinawa. Both of them came to Okinawa to Sucuran Hospital for unknow reasons. They had been to Vietnam. 1 had malaria, other was wounded some how, he could not say. Neither one could say were Vietnam was located. I never herd of it either. OH! two weeks later my new home was Ole # 45, USS Comstock.

Response by Cpl Casey Golema made May 30 at 2023 12:10 PM

Cpl Casey Golema — Tue, 30 May 2023 12:10:01 -0400

A "Nam Vet" is a Nam vet. Now a Vietnam Era military person.

Response by Sgt Kerry Thurlow made Jun 8 at 2023 11:12 PM

Sgt Kerry Thurlow — Thu, 08 Jun 2023 23:12:44 -0400

I have three uncles, who served in the Vietnam war. The two who served in country call themselves Vietnam Vets. The other served on American soil, he calls himself a Vietnam Era vet.

My take doesn't matter so much. They're the ones who served. They're the ones who get to decide what they want to be called.
The two who lived through the harassment as they returned from Vietnam--being spit on, having things thrown at them, being called names thanks to Traitor Jane, and being discriminated against.
They struggled with lots of things after they came home and it took them years to find their place and their space in the world.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Jun 11 at 2023 7:34 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 11 Jun 2023 19:34:59 -0400

What do you call someone that served in WWII. But said no get sent overseas?

Response by SSG Richard Callahan made Jun 12 at 2023 12:43 PM

SSG Richard Callahan — Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:43:51 -0400

I won't call myself a Vietnam Vet even though I was on active duty in the Army from 1968 to 1978. My MOS was 91B Medical Specialist. Instead of being sent to Vietnam like most of my peers I was sent to Germany for 3 years.
I will say that "fighting" the cold war was often no picnic for our families with all of the drills and days sitting alert. The ones who had it the worst during this time were the Air Force crews who sat alert in B52s or in missile silos for a week at a time. Dig up some old statistics and you will find SAC had the highest divorce rate in the service during the cold war.

Response by SPC John Swann made Jun 14 at 2023 3:56 PM

SPC John Swann — Wed, 14 Jun 2023 15:56:57 -0400

I enlisted in the Army 17 September 1962, served active until 16 September 1965, all of which was here state, side on a Nike battery protecting our country against attacks that could possibly come from a enemy. I am proud of my service to our country. I am a Cold War/ Vietnam Era veteran and proud of it but make no claim of being a Vietnam War veteran. As someone commented we are all a team supporting each other.

Response by LCpl Robert Michaud made Jun 24 at 2023 8:37 PM

LCpl Robert Michaud — Sat, 24 Jun 2023 20:37:47 -0400

If the military today is given a combat action ribbon for being in the academy not even in boot camp then calling anyone in the military during Vietnam should be a Veitnam Vet!!

Response by Cpl Perry Taylor made Jun 25 at 2023 1:00 AM

Cpl Perry Taylor — Sun, 25 Jun 2023 01:00:20 -0400

The Vietnam Conflict was mistakenly micro-managed by inept federal politicians who totally sacrificed over 56K American lives. This fact should be rememberd b those in politics today.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2023 3:00 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jun 2023 03:00:38 -0400

I am the eldest son of both Korean and Vietnam Vet. I was not around for Korea but I was for Nam and in school. It was not good to be in the Family of anyone in the military no matter where u were in this country. Maybe u had it better cause u were in a diff country but it was no fun in the States. And If u feel like its wrong for someone to say they are a Vietnam Era Vet I say Ur WRONG. They served during that time and took the same oath. And most if not all got dissed on because they were in the military and for that one reason only.
Should I say I do not feel u should be even called a Vet. cause u didn't serve in a war in country??? Should we strip ur Vet. benefits from u cause u didn't serve in the right meter of earth while u were in???
Or do I say ur not an American cause u didn't Serve in Nam? Get over yourself. They took the same oath, had the same chance to be sent over there as anyone else did.
Or how about this. I get to say u do not get paid cause I didn't ever see u do anything. I was never stationed in Germany I was stationed where I personally wanted to be as I had that chance and had the help once I got to Alaska to get to the post I wanted. Do I get to say I do not think u should not be called a Vet cause of where u Served cause where I served the Weather was Harsher than where u served. And trust me I know it was harsher.
Ur sounding like one of the Alphabet people thinking u get to make everyone think the same as u on what is a man or a woman and get to control how people talk. If u do not like it I do not care I have no problem with it cause they could have been sent, they took the same exact oath I did. Man u are the kind of person I would not want to be in war with. U would get people killed cause like a spoiled brat u want ur own way.

Response by LCpl Paul Miller made Jun 25 at 2023 10:21 AM

LCpl Paul Miller — Sun, 25 Jun 2023 10:21:43 -0400

No. If they weren't there. No.

Response by PFC Lisa McDonald made Jun 25 at 2023 1:58 PM

PFC Lisa McDonald — Sun, 25 Jun 2023 13:58:36 -0400

I see a difference between Vietnam Era Vets and Vietnam Vets. Vietnam Vets served in country while Vietnam era Vets served during the war.
I think we also need to challenge is there really such an animal as a "peacetime" Veteran at anytime post WW2?
While this may burn some of you the only difference I can find is in peacetime battles and skirmishes are won! As evidence let me point to Grenada and Panama. Did take a brutal hurting in Lebannon though. You can look in the early eighties and see year for year as many in service deaths as even at the worst time for losses in the war on terror between 2005-07.

Response by MSgt Ronald Speaks made Jun 25 at 2023 6:33 PM

MSgt Ronald Speaks — Sun, 25 Jun 2023 18:33:10 -0400

It certainly is a "sticky subject" with some Vets. I was in the Air Force, went to Vietnam, and was assigned to work as an aircraft maintainer & rocket loader supporting the 101st Airborne. A lot of the Army Scout and Tracker Dog personnel that I lived with at Camp Eagle did not make it home. The names of some of the soldiers that I knew there are forever etched into the "Vietnam Memorial Wall" in Washington, DC. I've seen some of those names and I wish I could ask these Heroes for an answer to this question. I'm sure that they ALL rest with the Almighty and Forgiving Grand Architect of the Universe. I have a hunch that these unselfish Band of Brothers and Heroes would ALL say, "hey it's okay, it isn't the fault of those who were serving in the military that they weren't sent to 'Nam". Since my thought about our 58,000 Fallen Brothers and Sisters is only a hunch, I must err on the side of caution and vote, NO.

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jun 25 at 2023 6:46 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Sun, 25 Jun 2023 18:46:19 -0400

Only 11Bravos….remember everyone deployed …RED ….during that time ….from ‘65 thru ‘75 basically …..

Response by SSG Robert Chiarello made Jun 26 at 2023 11:51 AM

SSG Robert Chiarello — Mon, 26 Jun 2023 11:51:19 -0400

Vietnam Era Vets are not Vietnam Vets.

Response by PO2 Tom Kalbacher made Jun 26 at 2023 2:18 PM

PO2 Tom Kalbacher — Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:18:41 -0400

Absolutely not and I'm one of those who served from 70 to 74 with 3 deployments but none to Vietnam

Response by MAJ Bill Michelson made Jun 26 at 2023 5:22 PM

MAJ Bill Michelson — Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:22:12 -0400

I was in the Army 70 to 72 and 75 to 93. I was spir on. Ridiculed and call a Nazi. Baby killer, etc. I did not serve in Vietnam. I am a Vietnam Era veteran

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Jun 27 at 2023 8:03 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 08:03:28 -0400

I Can ONLY Speak For Myself,
But I've NEVER Felt I Had Earned The Honor To Refer To Myself
As A "Vietnam Vet"..... I Was IN The USAF On My 17th Birthday, ( 06/29/1961)
Stationed At Little Rock AFB, 3 Years Assigned To Various Duties,
Then Off To Osan AFB , South Korea For My Final 13 Months Of Enlistment;
Just Screwing Off... And Not Even CLOSE To Vietnam. .... I'm A Vietnam "ERA" Enlistee.
No Way In Hell Am I Entitled To Be Called A "VIETNAM VET"....That's An HONOR!!

Response by MAJ Alan Montgomery made Jun 27 at 2023 2:03 PM

MAJ Alan Montgomery — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 14:03:44 -0400

I was a soldier. What I did, or where and how I did it, needs no validation from anyone, least of all someone who hasn't served or wasn't there. Veterans are veterans. Next thing you know, someone will get the idea to call us combat veterans, garrison veterans, or who knows what: Air Vets, Foxhole Vets, Shipboard Vets, Combat Hospital Vets. What is with this insational urge to put a title on anything and everything? I was, am, and always will be a soldier and a veteran. What I did, where I did it, even how I did it, or with whom I served, and what missions I executed doesn't need validation with some made-up feel-good title. If you have to call me anything call me a soldier, sailor, or Airman, or veteran, call me a retiree.

Response by CW5 David Heggood made Jun 27 at 2023 2:16 PM

CW5 David Heggood — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 14:16:33 -0400

No, unless you were in Vietnam you are not a Vietnam vet you are a Vietnam era vet.

Response by SGT Thomas Seward made Jun 27 at 2023 8:19 PM

SGT Thomas Seward — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 20:19:02 -0400

I visited my mom recently. Nobody there worried about being called a Vietnam Vet or a Vietnam Era Vet. Veterans side by side by the millions, and there are millions more coming. Not a one complaint.

Response by SGT Gary Stemen made Jun 28 at 2023 2:07 AM

SGT Gary Stemen — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 02:07:51 -0400

I was in country. I don't care, when I came to realize that US Veterans in Russia at the close of WW1 were not eligible for benefits... Regardless of the timeframe or location, if you or your life was compromised by (or if someone was shooting at you during) your service, YOU ARE A VETERAN! May God bless you for serving, and for your service!

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Jun 28 at 2023 8:42 AM

SGT Bill Braniff — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 08:42:18 -0400

As a Vietnam combat Veteran I say NO!. They are Veterans of the Vietnam era.They didn't serve in the theatre, so as far as I am concerned, they are not Vietnam Veterans.

Response by SP6 Steve Haynes made Jun 29 at 2023 12:37 AM

SP6 Steve Haynes — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 00:37:04 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era Veteran and whole heartedly agree with the distinction as I never set foot in the Republic of Vietnam. However I've never heard a similar distinction for Veterans of World War 1, World War 2, Korean Conflict, or Gulf War. These wars/conflicts all had a single start and end date; but, only the Vietnam War notes two different start dates distinguishing those who served in the Republic of Vietnam and those who did not. Why? Ie: November 1, 1955 and August 5, 1964 both ending May 7, 1975. Note: that is simply a question of curiosity not of challenge.

Response by SFC Randy Johnson made Jun 29 at 2023 10:32 AM

SFC Randy Johnson — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:32:04 -0400

As a 20 year veteran, my question regarding this topic is; during the WWI, WW2, Korean War were non in country called Era?

Response by PFC Steven Scotti made Jun 29 at 2023 12:34 PM

PFC Steven Scotti — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:34:21 -0400

Yes Iwas in the reserves for 8 years and was on call for Vietnam but thankfully never called If called I would have did my duty. What I don’t understand being a reservist I do not receive no health benefits from this great country of ours

Response by SPC Gary Hunt made Jun 30 at 2023 8:44 AM

SPC Gary Hunt — Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:44:54 -0400

Perhaps they should be called "trans-Vietnamvets".

Response by PO1 Thomas Meadath made Jul 27 at 2023 3:11 PM

PO1 Thomas Meadath — Thu, 27 Jul 2023 15:11:21 -0400

I did serve in-country in the Delta 1968-1969, so I am a Vietnam Veteran. One of the men in my VFW Post was on the pier at Cat Lo to unload supplies. He never left the pier and did not feel he deserved the ribbons for Vietnam service. I disagreed because Cat Lo was attacked at least once in 1969. Just because he was not exposed to enemy fire at that time doesn't mean he couldn't have been. I know several veterans who served in VN and were never exposed to direct danger. My point is they were there and could have been. I finally convinced him to proudly wear the ribbons.

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Jul 28 at 2023 12:10 PM

PO1 Robert Ryan — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:10:38 -0400

Vietnam era vets to me are ones who did not serve in country. I do recognize the as veterans . My brothers and sisters who served in country have earned the right to be c called Vietnam Vets.

Response by SSgt Marilyn Bischof made Aug 13 at 2023 4:36 PM

SSgt Marilyn Bischof — Sun, 13 Aug 2023 16:36:25 -0400

I was a KC 135 crew chief and flew on many in country support missions…but never actually landed in VietNam. We were always in danger on those refueling missions. But the AF wasn’t fond of putting flying gas stations in the line of fire. And usually avoided it. I served during VietNam and followed whatever orders I was given during that time frame. Don’t discount what we did. And by the same way of thinking….should those who were drafted not be counted as a VietNam veteran since they didn’t do it voluntarily. It’s a stupid question just like this one. We all were in during this conflict, put up with mountains of abuse. Being so decisive serves no one. Much of the country was against us…this only serves to pit us against each other. I have complete respect for all on the front lines. But the military NEVER puts its entire force on the front lines.

Response by PO3 James Czerniak made Aug 13 at 2023 6:05 PM

PO3 James Czerniak — Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:05:44 -0400

Why do you feel it's not right? Sounds like yiur feelings are hurt. Maybe good old uncle Sam seen that you couldn't handle being in country and sent you to Germany instead and here we are 50yrs later and uncle Sam was right.
Quit crying and be proud you served. You could have re-upped and requested Nam, but you didn't. Si get ivee your butthurt

Response by COL Carl Jensen made Aug 13 at 2023 7:18 PM

COL Carl Jensen — Sun, 13 Aug 2023 19:18:26 -0400

Cold War era covers all. The shooting could have been anywhere. The Russkies had 55K tanks ready to roll. NK was itching since 53, Cuba was licking their chops when the missiles arrived. What a century! Bottom line, 180 +1 days of service in the armed forces makes you a Veteran. I was a Berlin era vet. drafted in 61' with a U.S. Prefix. I didn't have to go, I was exempt as a school teacher but figured, it didn't look that bad and who knows what could follow. I was right about that. What I didn't know was that I had a profile that kept me out of the war zones. I only found that out 22 yrs later.

Response by Col Dan Ketter made Aug 13 at 2023 9:30 PM

Col Dan Ketter — Sun, 13 Aug 2023 21:30:47 -0400

Vet or Vietnam vet is OK by me. Not sure why you are so offended you didn't serve in Vietnam

Response by Sgt Robert Elliott made Aug 14 at 2023 12:16 AM

Sgt Robert Elliott — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 00:16:52 -0400

They had a chance of going to Nam? Well, I have a chance of dying tomorrow, but don't bury me and call me dead unless my heart has stopped. If you didn't go to Vietnam, you're not a Vietnam vet, plain and simple! If I had not gone, I would not want to be referred to as a Vietnam ERA vet. You might as well wear a name tag that says, "I didn't go, but I could have". And, btw, yes, I did go 66-67, Sergeant, US Marine Corps! I guess that in the hereafter, those that go to hell will say, "I could have gone to heaven, but...." As you may have figured out, put me down for a 'NO' vote.

Response by Sgt Robert Elliott made Aug 14 at 2023 12:18 AM

Sgt Robert Elliott — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 00:18:09 -0400

Response by SP5 John Fink made Aug 14 at 2023 9:04 AM

SP5 John Fink — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 09:04:29 -0400

i served in germany 1965-1967, according to the VFW, i am a "prior service ' and not a veteran. i havent been called "baby killer" although have been called "coward",.chicken", etc. Best to just not let anyone know where/when you served if youre not a combat vet.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Aug 14 at 2023 11:50 AM

SSG Bill McCoy — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:50:18 -0400

I've replied in this thread previously. My basic thought is, if you weren't in-country, or didn't get a campaign or service ribbon, you'd be an ERA Vet. But, what's wrong with that.
When I meet most Vets, and Nam comes up, if I say I'm a VN Vet, usually the first question is, "Where were you at?" How does someone who wan't in-country reply - I was in Okinawa? Guam? Presidio? No, a Nam Vet would say something like I was with the 1ID in "wherever they were." In my case, I'd say, Quang Tri Province, 1st MarDiv, or LZ Baldy, 1st MarDiv, etc.
It does NOT matter. I'd be just as "proud" (for lack of a better word) to say, Okinawa, etc. I know a lot of Vietnam ERA Vets whose service was just as important and contributing to the military as anyone elses.

Response by SGT David Kazmierski made Aug 14 at 2023 5:40 PM

SGT David Kazmierski — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 17:40:19 -0400

i served in D-land as well, 72-76. I'm of sthe same mind. Vietnam Era vet is fine by me, i wouldn't ever try to represent myself along with the brave men who fought and dodged real bullets ON THE GROUND. We don't deserve to be called Vietnam Vets.

Response by CPL Stephen Hemmert made Aug 14 at 2023 6:36 PM

CPL Stephen Hemmert — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 18:36:59 -0400

I already responded some time ago. But, I will throw a question out there in this area and maybe post elsewhere. What say you about a man or woman who served in any of the armed forces during World War 2? Is a person entitled to be called a World War 2 vet if he only served stateside? I have never heard a distinction being made for those men and women.

Response by MSgt Horace Smith made Aug 14 at 2023 6:46 PM

MSgt Horace Smith — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 18:46:32 -0400

I served during Vietnam from '65 ~ '68 and '71 ~ the end but was not sent in spite of volunteering twice. I am a Vietnam ERA Vet. I would consider it stolen valor to claim otherwise. IMO ONLY those who served in-country deserve to claim being a Vietnam Vet.

Response by SSG Michael Doolittle made Aug 15 at 2023 2:19 AM

SSG Michael Doolittle — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 02:19:18 -0400

HELL NO, they are not Vietnam Veterans... There is this same debate regarding who is a Combat Veteran... Being in a combat zone or theatre DOES NOT MAKE YOU A COMBAT VETERAN

Response by SSG Michael Doolittle made Aug 15 at 2023 2:20 AM

SSG Michael Doolittle — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 02:20:05 -0400

Hell NO

Response by Sgt Thomas Blair Jr. made Aug 15 at 2023 4:51 AM

Sgt Thomas Blair Jr. — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 04:51:18 -0400

The term Viet Nam era veteran is perfectly appropriate. Moreover, I personally have zero interest in calling myself a Viet Nam veteran when I did't serve in country during that time. IMO, way too much time and energy is wasted by certain mindsets "manufacturing issues," that at the end of the day serve no purpose other than to incite unnecesary dissension and division among those who have served their country honorably in whatever capacity.

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Aug 15 at 2023 7:19 AM

SGT Erick Holmes — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 07:19:34 -0400

Me personally I would just called them VETERANS. Unless people need to know what era of veteran you are (probably didn't say that right but you get it). Some don't want to be called a specific name and some do. Its tough to make that call. Generally I would say Veteran

Response by LCpl Chris Laemmle made Aug 15 at 2023 1:18 PM

LCpl Chris Laemmle — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 13:18:34 -0400

I was in the Marine Corps Reserve from 1965-71. I was in an infantry battalion but never deployed. I am a Vietnam-Era veteran but not a Vietnam veteran. If I were to say I was a Vietnam veteran people would assume that I had served in Vietnam and that would be disingenuous and disrespectful to those who served there. I became involved in the antiwar movement around 1967, feeling that we should never have committed combat troops. I worked with a group called "Vietnam Veterans Against the War". I never heard anyone call a veteran a baby killer and never saw anyone spit on a veteran. It would not have been tolerated. Our goal was to bring veterans into the movement, not alienate them. It seems from comments that I hear from many Vietnam vets on these sites that every returning vet was spat on or disrespected in some way and I can assure you, if it happened, it was rare. It is true that Vietnam was an unpopular war and those who served there were not given the respect they were due and to that end all I can say is welcome home.

Response by SP5 Robert Kennedy made Aug 15 at 2023 2:00 PM

SP5 Robert Kennedy — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 14:00:37 -0400

Vietnam Vets should be called Vietnam Vets. We earned that title by returning home and suffering the nightmares associated with that deployment. We earned it by witnessing the brutal battles and bagging our new best friends. This is a title to be proud to have, but the price was more than wearing a uniform somewhere else.

Response by A1C Clyde Adair made Aug 15 at 2023 3:20 PM

A1C Clyde Adair — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 15:20:41 -0400

I had two brothers, 1) USMC and 2) USN. Both served in the Nam, I did not. I am however a Nam ERA vet and that is good enough for me. I had the highest respect for my brothers (both dead now, cancer via agent orange). I was a bit of a sad sack (Not really my fault) had PTSD before I signed up. But I'd no sooner claim to be a Nam vet than I'd claim to be a WWII vet or any other form of lies about my service. Same with Stolen Valor. I did the best I could so I am happy to just be able to call myself a veteran. I've met others that did not deserve even that much recognition.

Response by SGT Bruce Trice made Aug 15 at 2023 7:07 PM

SGT Bruce Trice — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 19:07:52 -0400

You are correct young man, however, Everyone could be leaving for service at anytime. I am one of those people ready to go. Don’t sell us service members that wanted the opportunity to fight! All love.

Response by PVT Mark Havens made Aug 16 at 2023 3:32 PM

PVT Mark Havens — Wed, 16 Aug 2023 15:32:10 -0400

So what do we call a World War II veteran that never served in a war zone???

Response by MSgt Bobby Vardeman made Aug 16 at 2023 7:17 PM

MSgt Bobby Vardeman — Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:17:14 -0400

So, no, one should not refer to themselves as a Viet Nam vet unless they were in theater during the war. I served during the Gulf War but did not deploy to the Gulf. I’m not a Gulf War vet…I supported the effort but that would be like saying I went to a Dallas Cowboys game so I can call myself a Dallas Cowboy player - nope. All respect to my brothers who served, but those who actually dealt with Viet Nam in country (or in Laos or Cambodia or wherever the fight was taken) earned the right to be called a veteran of that war.

Response by PO2 Ken Simpson made Aug 17 at 2023 1:13 AM

PO2 Ken Simpson — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 01:13:41 -0400

Well, my dad and uncle were both in during the Korean war and were called Korean war vets but never saw action in the Navy...not their fault and not my fault that the ship I was assigned to out of basic training was mined a week before I was to meet it there in Nam. After time in dry dock for repairs we were sent to the Mediterranean.

Response by SPC Thomas Gutshall made Aug 17 at 2023 9:21 AM

SPC Thomas Gutshall — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:21:57 -0400

Boots on the ground!

Response by MSgt Karl Hawes made Aug 17 at 2023 4:49 PM

MSgt Karl Hawes — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 16:49:41 -0400

Not in country = not a Vietnam veteran. End of discussion.

Response by Capt Tom Million made Aug 17 at 2023 5:09 PM

Capt Tom Million — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 17:09:23 -0400

No...bigger fish to fry. What's in a name? Given current affairs/dilemma: better would be if you used the Weapons Battalion range at Quantico, Winter, '70, "What did your groupings look like? And as a 70-y.o. could you come close to that marksmanship if need be now?

Response by MSgt Karl Hawes made Aug 17 at 2023 5:15 PM

MSgt Karl Hawes — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 17:15:21 -0400

No. If you never received combat pay, you were not in a combat zone.

Response by Ceci Hanson made Aug 18 at 2023 5:53 AM

Ceci Hanson — Fri, 18 Aug 2023 05:53:15 -0400

No! "Era" is there for a reason. They weren't in the jungle, being shot at, exposed to Agent Orange and malaria and more. Do they deserve to be respected because they *could* have been sent there? In most cases, yes. (There are a few, rare exceptions.)

Response by SGT Bruce Trice made Aug 18 at 2023 2:29 PM

SGT Bruce Trice — Fri, 18 Aug 2023 14:29:08 -0400

Get over yourself.’ Everyone was ready to go

Response by SrA Lisa Hunt made Aug 19 at 2023 2:32 PM

SrA Lisa Hunt — Sat, 19 Aug 2023 14:32:57 -0400

A veteran is a veteran. It's like the Florida license plate a worker tried to sell me at the DMV that said "Women Veterans". I am not a "woman veteran" I'm a veteran same as anyone who served.

Response by MAJ Dennis Foote made Aug 19 at 2023 9:38 PM

MAJ Dennis Foote — Sat, 19 Aug 2023 21:38:02 -0400

Those who were there earned that distinction. I was in during the war, but was stateside the whole time. I got my combat status during Desert Storm 15 years later.

Response by SGT Karen Emanuelson made Aug 20 at 2023 8:15 PM

SGT Karen Emanuelson — Sun, 20 Aug 2023 20:15:31 -0400

I'm considered a "Vietnam Era" veteran because I enlisted in 1976, BUT I never served in Vietnam, so I'm most certainly not a "Vietnam Vet." I sure served with a bunch of actual Vietnam War veterans & had a TON of respect for them--for their service & what they endured when they came back home. I *am* however, a Cold War veteran--was born, lived & served during the cold war, which, by the way, is sure heating up again in a very big way.

Response by SP5 Walter Anderson made Aug 21 at 2023 9:45 AM

SP5 Walter Anderson — Mon, 21 Aug 2023 09:45:18 -0400

They were Vietnam Era Vets, not Vietnam Vets.

Response by CPL Miguel Velez made Aug 21 at 2023 5:03 PM

CPL Miguel Velez — Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:03:22 -0400

Que pasa mi hermanazo? Am also a Vietnam-Era Army Vet (73-77) the closest I was from in-country was, TDY receiving Vietnam, Laos & Cambodia refugees. (1974). Am enjoying life now better than 42 years after my ETS, fighting for my 100% P/T Disabled. Thank you all FOR YOUR SERVICE and God Bless!

Response by PFC Telesforo Ramirez made Aug 21 at 2023 6:45 PM

PFC Telesforo Ramirez — Mon, 21 Aug 2023 18:45:16 -0400

There is a differential between bean a Vietnam combat veteran to be a Vietnam era veteran its explain by it self

Response by SGT Ken Kyle made Aug 21 at 2023 9:44 PM

SGT Ken Kyle — Mon, 21 Aug 2023 21:44:50 -0400

I was in Germany '72 - '74 because I opted out of going to Vietnam. I've been called a Vietnam Era and Cold War veteran, and feel that anyone that wasn't in Country shouldn't insinuate they were. It's an insult to those that were and I would give it Stolen Valor Act equivalency.

Response by SP5 John Fink made Aug 21 at 2023 9:46 PM

SP5 John Fink — Mon, 21 Aug 2023 21:46:39 -0400

only in-country vets should be addressed as vietnam veterans.

Response by SPC Bill Bailey made Aug 22 at 2023 7:29 AM

SPC Bill Bailey — Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:29:34 -0400

I've answered this before and for the umteenth time NO !

Response by SP5 Rick Pariseau made Aug 22 at 2023 1:25 PM

SP5 Rick Pariseau — Tue, 22 Aug 2023 13:25:06 -0400

I have always considered myself a Vietnam Era Veteran. I have a great respect for those who fought in Vietnan and would never consider myself a Vietnam Veteran.

Response by SGT William Jackson made Aug 23 at 2023 4:31 AM

SGT William Jackson — Wed, 23 Aug 2023 04:31:58 -0400

Absolutly not, you should not be called a Vietnam Veteran if you did not serve in Vietnam, just as you should not be called a Korean War Vet if you did not serve during the Korean War. There is a big difference and every vet should know it!

Response by SSG Marshall Paul made Aug 23 at 2023 1:30 PM

SSG Marshall Paul — Wed, 23 Aug 2023 13:30:13 -0400

No.

Response by SP5 James Johnson made Aug 24 at 2023 10:59 AM

SP5 James Johnson — Thu, 24 Aug 2023 10:59:00 -0400

No, you're a Nam vet if, and only if, you were in country. Nam March 69 to Sept 70.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Aug 26 at 2023 10:39 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Sat, 26 Aug 2023 10:39:21 -0400

I used to dive into this topic but recently I had a change of heart. There are so many terms that need to be defined or maybe we just need to get over it and go on with our lives. For example, besides the term Vietnam Vet, what defines a combat veteran? Is that a person who went out on patrols and earned a CAB or a CAR? What about all of those that worked in rear areas but patrolled around their respective bases? Why is it that a person in Vietnam could get a Purple Heart and not earn a CAB or CAR? I know of people who died during rocket and mortar attacks, yet it is not considered combat unless the news agencies are reporting combat deaths.

I have reached the point where I don't care. If a person is so needy that they think claiming to be a "real" Vietnam Vet helps their wellbeing now that is OK to be a Vietnam Vet, so be it. Let them wear their hats and t-shirts. No skin off my nose.

I do think that anyone who died in Vietnam deserves the CAB or CAR.

Response by CDR Gerald Nordland made Sep 1 at 2023 7:30 AM

CDR Gerald Nordland — Fri, 01 Sep 2023 07:30:44 -0400

NO - what would be the point?

Response by PO3 S G. made Sep 2 at 2023 6:54 AM

PO3 S G. — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 06:54:58 -0400

At the time I served (Navy), I was a Vietnam "Era" vet because of where I was and when I was there (Operation Frequent Wind). It was not until 27 years LATER - while doing research for a project - that I learned I was no longer an "Era" vet - I am a VIETNAM VETERAN.

I was shocked to learn that 'things happened' after I was discharged - Congress redefined "Vietnam" to INCLUDE the ERA veterans up to and thru the fall of Saigon and Operation Frequent Wind in April '75. While those of us who were part of Operation Frequent Wind (and if we did not have any other time in Vietnam), we were “ERA” vets. But when Congress and the DOD redefined the dates for VIETNAM, my (our) designator of being ERA was dropped.

At the time I was active duty, "Vietnam" veteran implied having served ‘in-country’ and "Era" veterans were those of us who were post-end-of-conflict (1972) and thru April 1975.

After my discharge (1976), it was common to see the term "Vietnam" and also "Vietnam Era" on various forms and applications. It is rare to see this distinction on forms and applications now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Era
For VA purposes, in accordance with the Code of Federal Regulations Chapter 38 Paragraph 3.2 (f), the Vietnam Era is "The period beginning on November 1, 1955, and ending on May 7, 1975, inclusive, in the case of a veteran who served in the Republic of Vietnam during that period. The period beginning on August 5, 1964, and ending on May 7, 1975, inclusive, in all other cases."[1] The U.S. Congress, U.S. Department of Defense, and the Department of Veterans Affairs elected to designate those years as such to accord special privileges to all persons who served the country's armed forces during that time. Similar designations have been made for other periods of war.

The end of the war is noted as May 7, 1975, because President Gerald R. Ford announced the end of the war on that day.

Consequently, my DD214 was not properly reflecting some things that were accorded me at the time of my discharge (they were subsequently added after-the-fact of my discharge and issuance of my DD214). Again, I did not know that things can be added to my service record retroactively even after one has been discharged and issued their DD214 as is the case with me.

I have started the process to have my DD214 revised DD214 (which will be DD215).

Vietnam Era - Wikipedia

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Sep 2 at 2023 7:49 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 19:49:13 -0400

Nevertheless you were susceptible to being deployed by the Government of the United States ….

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Sep 2 at 2023 7:58 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 19:58:00 -0400

ok ...next man up ...if you served during that time well then the United States Government would have sent you to V

Response by SGT Dennis Kray made Sep 15 at 2023 4:37 PM

SGT Dennis Kray — Fri, 15 Sep 2023 16:37:50 -0400

yes vietnam vets

Response by SGT Daniel Martel made Sep 17 at 2023 6:18 PM

SGT Daniel Martel — Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:18:33 -0400

I served 73-76 as a Army volunteer with a 91C20 MOS; medical Clinical Specialist. After a year and a half in training, i was assigned to Walter Reed in DC. I am a Vietnam Era Vet. I do Not take the title of a Vietnam Vet! I am proud of my service but do not deserve the distinction of serving in country. I have friends who are Vietnam Vets. They respect the capacity in which I served just as I respect there's.

Response by SPC Max Waller made Sep 19 at 2023 7:14 PM

SPC Max Waller — Tue, 19 Sep 2023 19:14:51 -0400

they should be Vietnam War Era veterans only - 4:14 pm Pacific DayLight Savings Time on Tuesday, 19 September 2023

Response by CPL Bill Cowan made Sep 29 at 2023 9:25 AM

CPL Bill Cowan — Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:25:45 -0400

If your boots were on the ground you are a Vietnam Veteran as well as those who served in the ships off the coast. If not you are a Vietnam ERA veteran. I often wonder about those who flew air missions over Vietnam but were not actually on the ground

Response by SGT Robert Urbaniak made Oct 8 at 2023 10:17 PM

SGT Robert Urbaniak — Sun, 08 Oct 2023 22:17:43 -0400

I am proud to be called a Vietnam Vet

Response by SGT Robert Urbaniak made Oct 8 at 2023 10:18 PM

SGT Robert Urbaniak — Sun, 08 Oct 2023 22:18:47 -0400

I served 1968 to 1970

Response by A1C Shelbey Hinkelmann made Oct 14 at 2023 4:20 PM

A1C Shelbey Hinkelmann — Sat, 14 Oct 2023 16:20:18 -0400

I'm a Vietnam ERA veteran (1974-1975), I would NEVER want to be called a Vietnam Veteran, I was not there, I did not see or do what they had to, I refuse to say I was or did. Yes, I was harassed about being in the military (Air Force), told not to wear my uniform at while home on leave, had to prove I had all my uniforms packed in to be checked luggage when I flew home after discharge. Those of us stationed stateside or elsewhere in the world were harassed and spit on and called names, but we NEVER saw or did what our combat veterans did, and we should not expect the accolades they are finally getting. Accolades as a veteran yes, but not as a war veteran.

Response by LT T.R. Reid made Oct 27 at 2023 4:00 PM

LT T.R. Reid — Fri, 27 Oct 2023 16:00:09 -0400

I'm full of respect for guys who went to 'Na,m. I served 5 1/2 years on active duty, going where the US Navy ordered me to go So I dob't think it's fair to call me inferior or less deserving because the Navy sent me to other duty stations.

Response by PO1 Rodney Mccarroll made Oct 27 at 2023 7:04 PM

PO1 Rodney Mccarroll — Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:04:48 -0400

With all due respect. A Vet is a Vet regardless. An American is an American, Unhyphenated!

Response by CMDCM Kermit Cain made Oct 28 at 2023 2:38 PM

CMDCM Kermit Cain — Sat, 28 Oct 2023 14:38:26 -0400

I was in a FAC (Forward Air Control) Squadron (TACRON-11) over in Vietnam and was just luck of the draw that my command was in a quiet lull while over there so no action, no CAR on my ribbon bar BUT for the period of time there anything could have transpired and it would have been what we'd trained for which was either in the middle of it or always be within 25 miles (transmitter range). So am I a 'nam vet? Flew over it, was off the coast of it. My personal opinion is that if you were in the window and might have then you're a 'nam vet.

Response by LTC Myron Opfermann made Oct 28 at 2023 7:19 PM

LTC Myron Opfermann — Sat, 28 Oct 2023 19:19:44 -0400

In my view those that served in country are "Vietnam Veterans" and have the Vietnam Campaign Ribbon (and others) and those that served during the time are "Vietnam Era Veterans" and have the National Defense Service Medal (and others) for their service. It is the way I am most comfortable dealing with it.

Response by CW4 Phillip C Petrie made Oct 29 at 2023 3:23 AM

CW4 Phillip C Petrie — Sun, 29 Oct 2023 03:23:18 -0400

It is no different than any other war. WWI, WWII or Korean War anyone serving during those periods at veterans of those wars. Every member of the military serves a purpose during periods of hostility whether Stateside, in non-combat areas or at Sea. The majority of military members never fire a shot or experience personal danger from a hostile enemy. Those that are in combat arms, Air Force or Naval Services could not perform their missions without the support of all the non-shooters. If you are in a combat unit you may or may not actually participate in hostile fire if deployed to a combat zone. But you can also serve in the unit and never get close to combat.

Response by PO1 Dave Bowles made Oct 29 at 2023 1:07 PM

PO1 Dave Bowles — Sun, 29 Oct 2023 13:07:14 -0400

As a Vietnam-Era Vet, I have always maintained the distinction. I make no claims about Vietnam service, having spent my first enlistment i the Navy ('69-'73) on the east coast. The closest I got to Vietnam was when I arrived in Japan in July 1973, right after our active participation ended.

Response by SGT John Schmelzkopf made Oct 30 at 2023 10:02 AM

SGT John Schmelzkopf — Mon, 30 Oct 2023 10:02:56 -0400

https://youtu.be/vOrWuSUF1g8?si=SHgMLX8BB9NguJGd
Remember using Mosquito Repellant to soften the WWII Camo Sticks to do a nice paint job. I got there straight from Jump School May 11th, 65,, still 17. We were only 90 days TDY, lol, then Pay Master came from Okinawa and paid us our TDY Pay and Made us PCS.
The speaker really messes Pronunciation Bein Hoa

173rd Airborne in the Vietnam War: The First Month

173rd Airborne in the Vietnam War: The First MonthBrief video about May 1965, the first month the 173rd Airborne Brigade landed in South Vietnam to fight the...

Response by 2LT Anthony Pinto made Oct 30 at 2023 11:39 AM

2LT Anthony Pinto — Mon, 30 Oct 2023 11:39:23 -0400

I agree

Response by MSgt Harry Campbell made Oct 30 at 2023 12:19 PM

MSgt Harry Campbell — Mon, 30 Oct 2023 12:19:09 -0400

I call myself a Vietnam Vet because I served there and was exposed to agent orange to boot. Just me, I don't think there is a question in calling us what we are.

Response by PO2 Jaime Lazarus made Oct 30 at 2023 12:19 PM

PO2 Jaime Lazarus — Mon, 30 Oct 2023 12:19:56 -0400

As one of them, I'm fine being categorized as "Vietnam-era Vet".

Response by PO1 Dave Bowles made Oct 31 at 2023 5:54 PM

PO1 Dave Bowles — Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:54:22 -0400

Response by 1SG Alan Boggs made Oct 31 at 2023 6:25 PM

1SG Alan Boggs — Tue, 31 Oct 2023 18:25:38 -0400

Did they receive hazardous duty or imminent danger pay?

Response by MSgt Stan Sears made Oct 31 at 2023 7:39 PM

MSgt Stan Sears — Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:39:16 -0400

I refer to myself as a Vietnam Era Veteran but I was stationed in Thailand in 75. According to a lot of comments here if you weren't stationed in Vietnam your not a Nam vet. What about all aircrews who flew out of Thailand and the ground troops that supported them, are they not veterans of the Vietnam War? Another comment was about not being exposed to Agent Orange since they weren't in-country. The bases in Thailand were sprayed with AO and we (me included) have the same health issues from it that those in-country have, but I'm still just a Vietnam Era vet.

Response by SPC Thomas Kosakowskii made Nov 1 at 2023 7:30 AM

SPC Thomas Kosakowskii — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 07:30:54 -0400

I am a Vietnam Era Veteran. No VSM

Response by Anthony Marston made Nov 1 at 2023 2:52 PM

Anthony Marston — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 14:52:05 -0400

Many we have served with, have known and have spoken with refer to themselves as " Vietnam War Era Veterans " of which there were a very large number who never went to the war zone although played a most important role in whatever and wherever they were assigned. Additionally, you could rightly call yourself a Vietnam Veteran if you were issued the Vietnam Service Medal / Vietnam Campaign Service Medal.

Response by PO2 Howard Carrell made Nov 1 at 2023 9:55 PM

PO2 Howard Carrell — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 21:55:49 -0400

If you were in the service during the era, you were either drafted or joined. Uncle Sam could use you whenever and wherever he liked, with or without your ok. If you ran off to Canada, as many did you could count on Jimmy Carter to give you a pass. While I was in boot camp, I got letters of treats of arrest, so did many of us. Aircraft carriers were never really in country that is never touched the shore. That did not stop thousands of takeoffs and arrested landings or millions of tons of bombs, 20mm, shrieks, walleyes, Zuni’s, sidewinders, cluster bombs, mines, … . Working the flight deck was not going to get a stray bullet, but you could get eaten by a prop, sucked into an intake, blown off the flight deck, not to mention hung ordnance on recoveries. A step further in relation to the original question, this same thing happened no matter where you were, even in the Mediterranean. So yes, if you were in the military during the ERA. BY THE WAY I WAS SPAT AT, CALLED A BABY KILLER, AND TREATED LIKE A PIECE OF DIRT WHEN I RETURNED. Fortunately for them a large fence separated us.

Response by Brig Gen Joe Callahan made Nov 1 at 2023 11:08 PM

Brig Gen Joe Callahan — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 23:08:17 -0400

There is no formal rule or policy I’m aware of that defines what term to use. Each of us have our own view of what the right term should be.

For me, anyone who served during the Vietnam War are “Vietnam-era Vet” is accurate. But only those who had feet on the ground or flew over Vietnam are “Vietnam Vets”.

For others, they may feel differently but I can’t say they are wrong anymore than I can say I’m right.

Response by MSG Tony Hughes made Nov 1 at 2023 11:10 PM

MSG Tony Hughes — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 23:10:01 -0400

If you served you are a veteran. If you served in the war zone you are a veteran of that conflict or simply a combat veteran. I served numerous tours in South Korea for total of 12 years. Korea is technically at war due to the armistice being a cease fire. Does that make me a korea war veteran? Absolutely not, no active fighting was happening. So hang it up with the special titles. If you see an old vet then simply thank him for his service or say welcome home brother,,after all, out Vietnam vets didnt get a deserved welcoming when they came home

Response by SP5 George Butts made Nov 2 at 2023 12:53 AM

SP5 George Butts — Thu, 02 Nov 2023 00:53:40 -0400

I say if one earned the Vietnam Service Ribbon they are due respect to be called a Vietnam Vet. If one was not given that award No! Referring to oneself as a Vietnam Vet without serving there is, in my opinion, a form of "Stolen Valor."
"The Stolen Valor Act of 2005 made it a federal misdemeanor for falsely representing oneself as having received any U.S. military decoration or medal."

Response by 1LT Stephanie Harmon made Nov 2 at 2023 8:23 PM

1LT Stephanie Harmon — Thu, 02 Nov 2023 20:23:39 -0400

Out of respect for those who served in VN, I think service during that time and not in VN should be considered VN Era Vets. I don’t think it’s a slap in the face to be VN Era Vet. You volunteered to fight for your nation however the military had you serve to support those serving inside VN. Those that were in VN couldn’t have done their job without the “Era” Veterans.

Response by SGT Fernando Campos made Nov 3 at 2023 11:00 AM

SGT Fernando Campos — Fri, 03 Nov 2023 11:00:52 -0400

Yes I believe they need that recognition as Stated. I’m proud of their Service to our country and community.

Response by Doris Brown made Nov 3 at 2023 11:25 AM

Doris Brown — Fri, 03 Nov 2023 11:25:45 -0400

ABSOLUTELY. They went where their country sent them and the demonstrations when they returned home was a total disgrace. These men and women served honorably and they have my sincerest appreciation. GOD BLESS ALL THOSE SERVING AND ESPECIALLY THE HEROS THAT NEVER MADE IT HOME SAFELY.

Response by SPC John Braun made Nov 4 at 2023 2:41 AM

SPC John Braun — Sat, 04 Nov 2023 02:41:23 -0400

If you served at least 90 days before July 1, 1975 but did not go to Vietnam, you are classified a Vietnam Era vet. I have always hated this classification. Although I was put on alert 2x here (whoopie) and serves stateside for 18 months before we pulled out, I did not go to Vietnam and I hate being classified as Vietnam Era vet. Leave that for the people who were sent, I did not nor will ever claim I did!

Response by CPO Lionel Pinn made Nov 4 at 2023 7:40 PM

CPO Lionel Pinn — Sat, 04 Nov 2023 19:40:21 -0400

I am a veteran of the Vietnam era however, never did a tour in Nam. I can not find a place in my heart to call myself a Vietnam Vet. Respect!

Response by PO3 Barney Baty made Nov 5 at 2023 2:02 PM

PO3 Barney Baty — Sun, 05 Nov 2023 14:02:34 -0500

I would rather be just another veteran, who served his country; VietNam just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Response by SMSgt Michael Gleason made Nov 5 at 2023 4:50 PM

SMSgt Michael Gleason — Sun, 05 Nov 2023 16:50:52 -0500

Through the grace of God and a variety of other reasons, after graduation from Infantry AIT, I attended a second AIT and was in 1968 sent to South Korea (the "other 'hardship' tour", i.e. the only other 13-month tour, as opposed to two years or more). I was assigned to the 7th Infantry Division, about eight miles south of the DMZ. I am a VIETNAM-ERA Vet, and if an event held is called "for VIETNAM VETERANS", I generally will NOT attend. If the event is for "VIETNAM-ERA VETERANS", I will attend. To me, associating myself and my service history with strictly VIETNAM VETERANS carries an implication that I was/am one, and it's akin to "stolen valor". On the other hand, I had as much chance to have been sent to "the 'Nam" as the next guy (or gal) - it was a "crap shoot".

Response by Sgt David Branham made Nov 6 at 2023 1:00 AM

Sgt David Branham — Mon, 06 Nov 2023 01:00:30 -0500

YES -they are all Vietnam vets and we’re not responsible for the location of their duty station. Just another sign of disrespect to those Vietnam-ERA veterans. Never heard of a Korean-era vet, a WWII-era vet, etc. Ludicrous designation to denigrate those who served during those tumultuous years.

Response by MSgt Brian Duchscherer made Nov 6 at 2023 5:47 PM

MSgt Brian Duchscherer — Mon, 06 Nov 2023 17:47:39 -0500

No, they should not. I know more than one veteran who served and was based just outside of Vietnam and was sent in and out for two years, but it does not show up on his records because he was never stationed in Vietnam. This is how the military plays games with us to keep you from getting credit. They wanted to do something similar to us when we were in the desert after 911. I also went on more than one deployment and returned to stand in a formation where other unit members would receive the same medal as we did, even though they never went. They were "involved" back home as support persons, so they also received it. This was a disgusting sham on those who actually deployed. Either you were there, or you were not, period!

Response by LCDR Jerry Maurer made Nov 7 at 2023 8:27 AM

LCDR Jerry Maurer — Tue, 07 Nov 2023 08:27:36 -0500

I am a Vietnam era vet. I certainly don't brag about it, but it does come up in conversation sometimes. I make it clear that I did not serve in Vietnam; that I was merely in during that time period. In fact, the war was over in my mind when I enlisted in March of 1975. It was the army that gave me that designation. I heard too many war stories from my older infantry brothers to ever claim the honor they earned.

Response by FA Bruce McDaniel made Nov 8 at 2023 5:54 PM

FA Bruce McDaniel — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 17:54:26 -0500

I always correct people that try to call me a Vietnam vet that I served during but I was on the other side of the world. Just a Vietnam Era Vet.

Response by SPC Bob Weisman made Nov 8 at 2023 6:02 PM

SPC Bob Weisman — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 18:02:33 -0500

Should be addressed as Vietnam vet. You had to be in country to understand.

Response by AN Jack a Davis, jr made Nov 8 at 2023 6:20 PM

AN Jack a Davis, jr — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 18:20:28 -0500

4 years in Navy, but not once any Vietnam action. I think of myself as military veteran, but not a Vietnam veteran.

Response by AN Jack a Davis, jr made Nov 8 at 2023 6:41 PM

AN Jack a Davis, jr — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 18:41:48 -0500

As a 4 year Vietnam Era veteran, I felt uncomfortable with the term "veteran ",I didn't talk much about my ser,until a friend of mine that had been in Vietnam, said that I should be proud to be a veteran even though never saw Vietnam. A few more said the same. Made me feel better. Don't consider myself as a Vietnam veteran, just a regular veteran that did what he was ordered

Response by SP5 Jessie McClain made Nov 8 at 2023 7:31 PM

SP5 Jessie McClain — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 19:31:10 -0500

I was not in combat as a veteran or was I in until after Vietnam. However calling someone a Vietnam era vet is a lot different than calling them a Vietnam vet. I believe that distinction should only be given to those who were actually in theater and not serving somewhere else. That being said, all vets should be treated with the same respect and it should be remembered, we all signed that blank check for this country saying we would give our all up to and including our lives.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2023 7:42 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 19:42:48 -0500

I along with over 2 million others Served in Vietnam. We how served there in country are Vietnam Veterans.
Anyone who was not serving in Vietnam isn’t a Vietnam veteran!

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2023 8:46 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 20:46:36 -0500

No. I was in the Army from
71-73. Only served in Germany. So not a Vietnam Vet. Anyone who does so is a jerk.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2023 9:17 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 21:17:48 -0500

Stationed at Camp Zama 1969-70 with the Marine Liaison. Zama was a major Army hospital and R&R center who handled Marines with burns and double amputees. Most of my people never made it home.They were choppered in from Yokota AFB because they wouldn't survive the flight home. We would meet the choppers and set them up in the right wards. All would receive the best treatment possible but few made it out alive. MY mission was no one dies alone.I did my job to the best of my ability.Fifty three years later I still smell burnt flesh and suffer survivors guilt besides the bad dreams. Couple of years ago my wife called me from work I was dreaming heard the ring jumped out of bed thinking I had to go to the lz cracked my leg on the footboard so hard I opened a artery. My neighbor who had a key found me bleeding out put a tourniquet on me and took me to the hospital.I survived,do I want a medal? Do I want a ribbon?It just doesn't matter.I retired from my civilian job and no one even knew I was a vet.

Response by Dale Ford made Nov 8 at 2023 10:51 PM

Dale Ford — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 22:51:13 -0500

Dale Ford FT3 - Too much about those who "had it easy" while serving. Everyone of us was in some sort of danger with weapons of all kinds nearby and the possibility of being sent to where the trouble was on a moments notice. I was on the Kitty Hawk 63-65 where the sleeping quarters overhead (ceiling) was the bottom of the flight deck totally aft. At the time I did not feel in danger, but there were fantoms landing on my head day and night mostly filled with fuel and some stuff that went bang. The boys and girls of 7 December 1941 had no idea the horrors to be unleashed on them as we were at peace. All military personnel are always in danger!

Thank all of you.

Response by A1C Kathleen Platz made Nov 8 at 2023 10:57 PM

A1C Kathleen Platz — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 22:57:32 -0500

I served in Illinois at Chanute AFB and do not consider myself a Vietnam vet, but am a Vietnam Era vet. The veterans I know with similar service feel the same way. The service and sacrifice of those who were in Vietnam does not compare to my duty.

Response by SSgt Brent Conley made Nov 9 at 2023 12:02 AM

SSgt Brent Conley — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 00:02:29 -0500

Vietnam Era vet should be used if you did not actually serve in Vietnam. We all know we could have been sent there and that means something. Unfortunately most people to not understand that, so saying Vietnam Era vet doesn't generate the respect it should with many people. Still, the only way to fairly recognize those that did tours there is to reserve Vietnam vet for them.

Response by SP5 Robert Pye made Nov 9 at 2023 5:58 AM

SP5 Robert Pye — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 05:58:29 -0500

You tell me. I spent 13 months making sure the Chinese or North Korean air force stayed mostly on the ground courtesy of our Hawk missile sites in South Korea. Not sure how many nights I spent on alert due to North Korean infiltrators blowing up stuff and shooting up the area but it was more than I needed. My DSP was on TDY to ANY country in South and South East Asia for the whole tour. We were to go as needed if the air war got worse. Fortunately that didn't happen, I think because everyone knew we never missed. I got hazardous duty pay. I got a permanent disability . I was scared shitless at times. Try spending some quality time on the DMZ. Take my word for it, South Korea was not much fun in '69-70.
I have never called myself a "Vietman Veteran " and never will.

Response by MCPO Dave Devanzo made Nov 9 at 2023 6:53 AM

MCPO Dave Devanzo — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 06:53:51 -0500

The distinction seems clear, I served 30 years in the Navy, I went to Iraq in 06, until then I would have been a Veteran, now I’m an Iraqi War Veteran. I served during the Gulf War but my squadron was not deployed so I wasn’t considered a Gulf War Veteran, rightly so. The proud title should be held by those who endured the hardship, be proud of your service regardless of where you served, we didn’t serve for recognition, we just served.

Response by PO2 Charity Keller made Nov 9 at 2023 7:09 AM

PO2 Charity Keller — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 07:09:10 -0500

Yes! I was just a child when they came home. (my uncle), but I heard the horror stories about they were treated. Uniforms ripped off their bodies. Spit up on called baby killers. We address World War III veterans is World War III, Veterans Vietnam veterans I just a birra

Response by PFC Kay Armstrong made Nov 9 at 2023 8:18 AM

PFC Kay Armstrong — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 08:18:21 -0500

Yes. If you served during the Vietnam ERA then you are a Vit Nam Viet. I am a female who JOINED the Army. I didn't go to Vietnam, but am still a Vietnam vet.

Response by SSgt Richard G Morse made Nov 9 at 2023 11:17 AM

SSgt Richard G Morse — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 11:17:43 -0500

I served on Okinawa during the Vietnam War, I went to where I was sent, I had no say in where and when I was sent. I served from 1963-1967 and was on Okinawa from 1965-1967. We supported the actions in Vietnam, however I never was in country. I am a Vietnam Era vet, not a Vietnam Vet!

Response by PO2 Eddie Craig made Nov 9 at 2023 12:35 PM

PO2 Eddie Craig — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 12:35:52 -0500

I'm a Vietnam era Veteran according to most descriptions. I signed up during the war but was sent somewhere else to do specific jobs. I and many of my friends had to do some spy work against China and others to track the Cong and help out soldiers in country. We didn't go "in country" but did dangerous work in the war effort. Don't forget about thousands of us. Most soldiers will never know what we did. Some lost their lives and still are not classified as VN Vets.

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Nov 9 at 2023 12:52 PM

SGT Ronald Audas — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 12:52:36 -0500

No way!There is a distinction. I am proud of my service in S.Korea.1967-68 was referred to as the second Korean War.Enough skirmishes that soldiers were pulled from Vietnam on a temporary basis.We were always glad to have their support.We were also proud of the sacrifices the 25th Rok (Republic of Korea)Division did in Vietnam .Let the heroes of Vietnam have their distinguished service.

Response by PO3 Anne Moyer made Nov 9 at 2023 3:02 PM

PO3 Anne Moyer — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 15:02:15 -0500

I agree with SPC Johnny. I was in during the Gulf War but I was stationed state side the whole time.

Response by PO3 Charles Hannert made Nov 9 at 2023 6:00 PM

PO3 Charles Hannert — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 18:00:35 -0500

I served in the Coast Guard during the Vietnam war. I was stateside, not by choice. We did search and rescue, boarding duties, fought fires, you name it. I put my life on the line every day fighting mother nature at her worst. I was not allowed to wear my uniform while on leave due to the hatred of the Vietnam war and active duty personnel. No, I was not boots on the ground or on a boat in Vietnam but I felt the wrath of our civilians in the U.S.. There were 8,000 USCG people in Vietnam. I volunteered but they wouldn't send me. Risking our lives in the Coast Guard was a greater danger than sitting in a supply office or whatever. Though I believe every job in the Military is equally important. It takes a team. I have no problem saying I am a Vietnam Era Veteran. I have an award from our state stating so. I have never let anyone think I was in Vietnam.

Response by SPC Wesley Parker made Nov 9 at 2023 7:55 PM

SPC Wesley Parker — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 19:55:43 -0500

Absolutely not! If you don't have a Vietnam Service Medal you are committing stolen valor!!!

Response by PO3 John Deck made Nov 9 at 2023 10:29 PM

PO3 John Deck — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 22:29:41 -0500

L have a different take issue.....I am a proud cold war veteran(1986-1992).....I don't want to take anything away from those that served "in country"....from those that didn't. Everyone who does volunteer or gets conscripted have stood up and signed their name on the same contract.....We all signed up for this......now whether or not you spent your time getting shot at....or not...doesn't make any difference....you made it....congratulations......last time I checked we are still veterans......I couldn't shoot worth a crap.....so I was given a wrench......so I put my efforts in being the best technician I could be....My Jets made their Sorties.Pilots like coming home in planes that fly properly....We all take turns embracing the Suck....Arguing over had it worse is stupid!!And this arguement is used to divide not unite......veterans.

Response by Dale Ford made Nov 10 at 2023 9:38 AM

Dale Ford — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:38:47 -0500

I did not answer the question regarding Nav Vet. I think it relates to service ribbon. I was at sea off the coast, never fired upon yet, I am eligible for a ribbon. Is that fair? The folks on the ground there most certainly need to be honored.

Response by TSgt Joe Hogg made Nov 11 at 2023 5:38 PM

TSgt Joe Hogg — Sat, 11 Nov 2023 17:38:41 -0500

The name "Vietnam" signifies a time, place and political impedance. That being said, there was
a lot of American Armed Forces blood spilled, bodies maimed and minds injured over those war torn
years. Vietnam was a war by any definition, therefor, call it a war and address me/us as a Veteran/survivor of that War.

Response by PO1 Courtney Roberts made Nov 11 at 2023 6:37 PM

PO1 Courtney Roberts — Sat, 11 Nov 2023 18:37:27 -0500

Mixed feelings; some people avoided risk via 'connections' that got them cushy postings; they disgust me! But every war commemorates all those who served, even if outside the theater, because they could have been called to the front. Presumptively, they werent in battle because they were needed elsewhere. I served 6 years during Nam, on a submarine that deterred Soviet aggression. Like the author , I felt I wasn't doing my fair share so I volunteered for a program that made sailors the operators of in-country river boats. The Navy disapproved my transfer as I was filling a critical billet. I was willing, but I'm now grateful my superiors were wiser than me .
All who served, in any capacity, deserve our gratitude.

Response by Capt Robert Stozek made Nov 13 at 2023 11:16 AM

Capt Robert Stozek — Mon, 13 Nov 2023 11:16:22 -0500

All Vets deserve respect and maybe a "thank you for your service" I see no need to single out Vietnam Vets. Regardless of the conflict, we are all brothers and sisters.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Nov 14 at 2023 4:35 AM

SSG Harry Herres — Tue, 14 Nov 2023 04:35:56 -0500

Vietnam era vets? First off if you served you are a vet period. That is it. If you were in Nam you earned the ribbons!

Response by CAPT Kevin M. McGuinness made Nov 15 at 2023 12:53 AM

CAPT Kevin M. McGuinness — Wed, 15 Nov 2023 00:53:08 -0500

I am a veteran of the Navy who served during the Vietnam era. That I was never chosen to go to Vietnam was beyond my control. That said, I am absolutely not a veteran of Vietnam.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Nov 16 at 2023 9:19 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 21:19:41 -0500

What is a Vietnam Vet? I hate that term. I Am a Vet just like every other service member , to include my dad and brother!! That is as bad as the VA saying thank you for your service! You served you are a Vet. Welcome to an exclusive club. We live a life no other Americans have. Some of us still re-live it at different times. We served, thats what counts. Stay safe stay strong we made difference!

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Nov 21 at 2023 12:47 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Tue, 21 Nov 2023 12:47:25 -0500

I served 2 months at Cu Chi with the wolfhounds of the 25th Infantry Division before the 25th redeployed back to Hawaii …back then I was FNG …I was called up …I was at the ready and I went and afterwards I continued my enlistment for another 6 years with the 25th Infantry Division ….it was tough and I hated those 6 years of service

Response by SSgt James Custer made Dec 5 at 2023 6:57 PM

SSgt James Custer — Tue, 05 Dec 2023 18:57:47 -0500

No, but, having served in SEA - Thailand, I think we deserve some recognition for our support of yhe war. A lot of us suffer from agent orange exposure, supper attacks on our bases etc. Vietnam vet? Vietnam era SEA vet Yes.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2023 12:22 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 Dec 2023 00:22:19 -0500

I've never met anyone who thought you should if you weren't there. I'm not an Iraq vet, but I've been in for almost 15 years, same thing. #nope

Response by PO2 Bull Halsey made Dec 6 at 2023 3:43 AM

PO2 Bull Halsey — Wed, 06 Dec 2023 03:43:13 -0500

My two buddies and myself were in-country and coastal rivers.
We all three have multiple AO conditions and we all three will die from them in the foreseeable future.
I understand there can be a lot of confusion in formerly sane America, however, those who were not there don’t carry the same burdens of the experience.
No rancor involved, rather clarity might be considered an improvement.

Response by SGT Gary Stemen made Dec 7 at 2023 12:11 PM

SGT Gary Stemen — Thu, 07 Dec 2023 12:11:37 -0500

Veterans are veterans, regardless... Why categorize by conflict? Every war kills the participants....

Response by CPL Denis Chericone made Dec 7 at 2023 10:47 PM

CPL Denis Chericone — Thu, 07 Dec 2023 22:47:05 -0500

I think the distinction "Vietnam Era Vets" should be applied when the person wasn't involved in the war. The same distinction has been used, though less successfully, for World War Two and the Korean War vets. I appreciate the distinction. There wasn't much respect and even less acknowledgement waiting for us when we returned from Vietnam.

Response by Cpl Michael Mclaughlin made Dec 8 at 2023 9:05 AM

Cpl Michael Mclaughlin — Fri, 08 Dec 2023 09:05:56 -0500

On paper I acknowledge I am a Vietnam era vet 1974 - 1978 and I did experience the disrespect and name calling. However, I did not actually go to Vietnam and out of respect for those who did I don't wear anything that says Vietnam veteran on it. But I do let everyone know I am a proud Marine,
VMO-1, MCAS New River.
Semper Fi from WV.

Response by SGT Kyle Fogarty made Dec 8 at 2023 10:17 AM

SGT Kyle Fogarty — Fri, 08 Dec 2023 10:17:21 -0500

My father served in the Navy from 62-66 and never referred to himself as a Vietnam Veteran. He said he was never there. He would be miffed if he knew that his grave marker had Vietnam Veteran on it. He felt that was on honor for those that were in country and did the fighting.

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Dec 8 at 2023 3:56 PM

SGT Bill Braniff — Fri, 08 Dec 2023 15:56:15 -0500

Nope! If you weren’t in Vietnam how could you possibly be called a Vietnam Vet. There are some Vietnam Vets I shudder when they call themselves a VN Vet, but that’s just me. I was a n Infantry squad leader.

Response by SSG Kathleen Mills made Dec 9 at 2023 1:17 AM

SSG Kathleen Mills — Sat, 09 Dec 2023 01:17:02 -0500

I was in a support unit in Germany from 74-76. I have heard both sides and I guess I feel the in country vets were more likely to be considered as "true" vets. But when I got back and discharged I didn't tell anyone I was a vet unless I had to. Right away I got all the harassment and names and felt safer being quiet. As a result I was very angry for a long time and only figured out why a few years ago. People make choices and have to live with them after they do. People have no right judging and calling vets all the horrible things they did. Alot of the vets had no choice because of the draft. I being a female did. I choose jump schooland rigger training. But what we did was just as important as we backed the fighters with supplies, etc. I'm not ashamed any more of this because I finally stopped listening to others(civilians) and started listening to my heart that I was right doing so.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Dec 9 at 2023 9:06 PM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Sat, 09 Dec 2023 21:06:39 -0500

the way I see it, you were serving during the Vietnam war, end of story,

the U.S Military knew exactly where you were, and could have easily have sent you to Vietnam any time they wanted to. .
you did not hide or dodge the draft as many U.S. Citizens did.
you served your country and went where your orders sent you.

so yes you are a Vietnam era vet , not a Vietnam combat vet, big difference,

the Vietnam era, Designation is just a way for the VA to Distinguish the military service members time in service and the benefits they are entitled to,
each service member receives some deferent benefits, it all depending on what war they served & fought in, not every military service member fought on the front lines.

The VA uses these Designation to help the VA determine what benefits congress gave the service members

as you can see it is just a way for the VA to distinguish the SERVICE MEMBERS benefits from each war.

that being said, you should be proud of your time in service.
WHY?
you did not run off to hide in Canada,
Like so many US citizens who were drafted
you served during the Vietnam war.
You was willing to go wherever the military service needed you. you did not run or hide

just so happen the U.S. Miliary decide they needed you in Germany,
If the Military wanted you in Vietnam you would have received orders and went to Vietnam

that being said you proudly served your country during the Vietnam war , Thank you .

I am sure , when you came home from Germany, and as you were walking though the airports, Train & Buss Station those Democratic supporters & US citizen who were protesting the Vietnam war, did not treat you any Deferent than those who fought in Vietnam.

This is just one of many reason you are classified as a Vietnam war era vet,
notice no one is calling you a Vietnam combat vet.

I also believe the VA, is the one who came up with the Expression Vietnam Era war veteran ,

to express the time line for those service members who served in the US Military, during the Vietnam war.

just as the WWII vet , Korean vet, designation were used for all service members during the 1940 for WWII VETS,
Korean Era war vet for all service members who served during the Korean war . during the 1950,

Vietnam Era vet for all service members who served during the Vietnam war, from the early 1960, though the late 1970,

1st Gulf war Vet, for all service members who served during the 1st gulf war.
2nd gulf war vet, for all service members who served during the 2nd Gulf war
war on Terrorism vet, for all service members who served during the War on Terrorism

everyone needs to remember not every service member is sent into combat,
yet we all served, and the Military could send any of us into the combat zone, if they felt we were needed, there to serve

just because you were not in a combat zone, does not mean you did not provide a service
every single military member knows, we could receive orders sending us to combat,

also many forget , it takes up to five or seven service members to keep those service members who are in country, on the front lines ,in a war zone alive, those not in combat must ensure those in combat receive the correct clothing, medical supply's, food, water, ammunition, and anything else those serving on the front lines need to stay alive and win.
just because you are not on the front Line, does not mean you did not help the war effort.

so I say stand up with pride, tell the World you are a Vietnam war era vet,
make sure they understand your not a combat vet,
also make them understand you did not run, or hide in Canada like many US CITIZENS DID,
tell them unlike the draft dodgers you were ready to go where ever the service needed you.

other than that a simple thank you for your service, would be nice,
you can reply your welcome, you were worth it.

Response by SPC Pedro L Vazquez -Deynes made Dec 13 at 2023 2:16 AM

SPC Pedro L Vazquez -Deynes — Wed, 13 Dec 2023 02:16:35 -0500

Be proud of you, remember does who used the reserve or National Guard to get away because their parents knew people to ask for a favor. Shame on them.

Response by Sgt John Gay made Jan 2 at 2024 12:33 PM

Sgt John Gay — Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:33:07 -0500

I have never been comfortable being called a Viet Nam Veteran. I wasn't there. Like so many have correctly stated, when I signed up, I was willing to go. They just never sent me. I did my part at the duty stations to which they sent me. I received a National Defense Medal. I definitely earned that.

I think some of the confusion comes from the fact that anyone who served during WWII has been described as a World War Two Veteran. Many thousands never were rotated to a combat area. They remained in England or the States providing training etc. They did their part, where they were told to do it, and we call them WWII veterans. I think that is easier, because that was a huge, global war. Viet Nam was mostly a single, specific area. It is the same, but different, thus the confusion.

For instance, I was stationed on Guam in '72. President Nixon sent our B-52's from many U.S. bases to Guam to counter the massive "Easter invasion" of South Viet Nam by the NVA. My orders read: "Assignment in direct support of B-52 operations in Southeast Asia." I never went to Viet Nam because they didn't station B-52s there. They were too large of a target for sappers, rockets and mortar's and they carried 103 bombs each. It was too dangerous, so they stationed them on Guam and in Thailand. However, I certainly felt like part of the war at that time. Three of our bombers would take off, then three would land, to be repeated all day and all night. I was in the Combat Support Group, not an air crewman.

But still, I am just as proud of my service as those who served in-country. I and my buddies worked very hard, helped fulfil a very serious, important mission. We and thousands of other guys helped save a lot of lives by doing our jobs, while our bombers decimated the NVA. Am I a Viet Nam War veteran?

Response by Sgt Charles Riley made Jan 6 at 2024 7:33 PM

Sgt Charles Riley — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 19:33:33 -0500

As a Vietnam vet 68-69, I think you had to be in country to truly be called a Vietnam vet. Every day in country was a chance you would never come home alive. Unless you had that thought in the back of your mind, you weren't truly there. BTW, I suffer from a half dozen ailments that are a direct reflection of serving a year in the Nam yet the VA says I didn't suffer enough, so I'm only getting a 40% rating, LOL The VA can't wait for us to die, so they can have more time to screw around and do nothing.

Response by A1C Walter Kachanis made Jan 8 at 2024 6:31 PM

A1C Walter Kachanis — Mon, 08 Jan 2024 18:31:25 -0500

It's a matter of personal honor to have experienced the war first hand and the honor of being a "Vietnam Vet" doesn't belong to anyone who wasn't there. It's funny to hear some of the "war stories" you can hear from some of the Vietnam era vets.

Response by SP5 Charles V. Rogers Jr made Jan 13 at 2024 10:34 AM

SP5 Charles V. Rogers Jr — Sat, 13 Jan 2024 10:34:57 -0500

I think there is a difference between, Viet Nam Vet and Viet Nam Era vet. I think it is the same with WWII and Korea. I served from 72-74 in Germany. I could have been a Viet Nam Vet as the class in front of me and the class behind me went to Viet Nam. Both served in that time frame, so I feel I'm an Era vet, but did not serve in Viet Nam, even though I was trained to.

Response by SGT Robert Urbaniak made Jan 13 at 2024 11:10 AM

SGT Robert Urbaniak — Sat, 13 Jan 2024 11:10:13 -0500

I would say no to your question, as either you served in the Nam or you did not.

Response by Carlos Barrera made Jan 13 at 2024 12:06 PM

Carlos Barrera — Sat, 13 Jan 2024 12:06:13 -0500

Cuestión ideológica para el dominio geopolítico narrativo en el mundo que recuerda una derrota en una guerra y afecta la imagen de los Estados Unidos y motiva a llamar a otros "veteranos de Irak o del golfo" etc... Por esto a nivel macrolinguistico lo mejor es controlar la imposición de slogans que desacreditan a la Union de Estados Americanos frente a la Comunidad Internacional porque el lenguaje y lo que simboliza su significado lo es todo en todo momento!!, esto para prolongar la supremacia en todos los campos en el tiempo sobre los países que aspiran a que desaparezca el Dominio Americano sobre caulquiera de los Estados globales.

Response by SP5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2024 6:56 PM

SP5 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Jan 2024 18:56:00 -0500

In my honest opinion, unless they actually served in the Vietnam War, they should not be referred to as a Vietnam Veteran nor a Vietnam-Era Veteran if having served in another country foreign like Germany.

Response by CPT Wallace Ward made Jan 23 at 2024 9:02 PM

CPT Wallace Ward — Tue, 23 Jan 2024 21:02:19 -0500

I enlisted during viet nam as a nurse. Had older and younger brother who served in Viet Nam and I expected to go as my first state assignment was Fort Bragg however ended being sent to MASH UNIT IN South Korea. Was definitely not Viet Nam and I feel fortunate but feel guilt not being there as my brothers.

Response by Sgt Mario Soberal made Jan 24 at 2024 4:02 PM

Sgt Mario Soberal — Wed, 24 Jan 2024 16:02:05 -0500

Why is the distinction necessary. Do you wear the uniform anymore, or are we all just brothers.

Response by Brad Miller made Feb 11 at 2024 12:46 PM

Brad Miller — Sun, 11 Feb 2024 12:46:33 -0500

A comparative example: You are an athlete. You train hard, you are selected for the Olympic team in your sport. You go, you compete, you come in 6th. Are you an Olympian (Veteran) YES! Absolutely. Are you an Olympic MEDALIST? Absolutely NO.
You did the best you could. But you did NOT win a medal. Olympian (Veteran) yes. Olympic medalist (VIETNAME veteran) no.

Response by CPO Pamela Mundling made Feb 23 at 2024 7:42 PM

CPO Pamela Mundling — Fri, 23 Feb 2024 19:42:55 -0500

There is a difference between a Vietnam Era Vet and a Vietnam Vet. You are correct!

Response by 1SG John Millan made Feb 23 at 2024 11:52 PM

1SG John Millan — Fri, 23 Feb 2024 23:52:35 -0500

I wasn't in Vietnam, was in middle school when Saigon fell, but a Vietnam vet is distinctly different from a Vietnam era vet.

Response by SSG Dale London made Feb 28 at 2024 8:43 PM

SSG Dale London — Wed, 28 Feb 2024 20:43:10 -0500

The way I see it, when you add "VIetnam" to the Vet part, you're saying that veteran was there.

Response by CDR John Bartlett made Mar 23 at 2024 7:16 PM

CDR John Bartlett — Sat, 23 Mar 2024 19:16:34 -0400

Vietnam War Era Vets -- is truthful and appropriate. It denotes Wartime Honorable Military Service in Defense of our Nation. Look up the NDSM.

Response by SGT Bert Shearer made Mar 24 at 2024 6:17 PM

SGT Bert Shearer — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:17:17 -0400

It’s really pretty simple! A Vietnam Vet is also a Vietnam era Vet. However a Vietnam era Vet who did not serve duty time in Vietnam is not a veteran of the Vietnam conflict therefore they are not a Vietnam Vet.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Mar 24 at 2024 11:55 PM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 23:55:25 -0400

Personally, I am a Vietnam Era Vet, but never having gone in theater and earned that ribbon I do not consider myself a Vietnam Veteran. I had a fellow Coastie who had been brown water navy over there call BS and give me a USCG Vietnam Vet Patch. I will never wear it, but it sits on display in a place of honor in my office. When I look at it I remember those who never returned, and those who did but paid a price for the rest of their lives.

Response by SFC Eugene Mont made Mar 25 at 2024 12:00 AM

SFC Eugene Mont — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 00:00:01 -0400

Nope.
Yes, you carry the title of Veteran, just not Vietnam Vet. My father did serve in Vietnam. My mother did not. Both were Veterans, only one is a Vietnam Vet. I have seen some Veterans wearing "Vietnam era Veteran" hats and shirts. They are also quick to let you know they are not combat vets. They were state side or in Europe. I still thank them for their service.
There is a difference between Vietnam Vets and Veterans serving during that time. Same as in anytime of conflict. I am a Iraqi War Vet. I never did any tours in Afghanistan, so I am not an Afghanistan War Vet. Same scenario. I don't carry a title of Afghan vet.
We are all still brothers and sisters in arms.

Response by PO1 Louis D'Alessandro made Mar 25 at 2024 3:45 AM

PO1 Louis D'Alessandro — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 03:45:51 -0400

I served in the brown water Navy. That is on river boats in country for an entire year. I wear a Vietnam Veteran ball cap with some of the ribbons I earned including a combat ribbon on the hat. When I get greeted by someone it's usually thank you for your service. The one that hits me is "welcome home" sir. I am sure you know what I mean. I just always refer to myself as a Vietnam Veteran and never gave the other much thought. If one doesn't claim something that they are not I am fine with that. Like some one said we got orders and went where we were needed or our mos directed us. In most cases the choice was not ours. We are all brothers in arms. God Bless

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 25 at 2024 4:56 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 04:56:10 -0400

The Simplest Way I Know How To Express My Thoughts On This Subject Is By Saying:
"OH Hell NO"!! ~~ Being Sent To Vietnam & Fighting For Your Country & Your Own Life
Is An Honor, And Only They Are Entitled To That Title Of Being A "VIETNAM VET"

Response by SGT Robert Urbaniak made Mar 25 at 2024 6:56 AM

SGT Robert Urbaniak — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 06:56:45 -0400

I would say no to that issue, unless your boots were on the ground in Vietnam, they should be considered Vietnam ear veterans.

Response by 1SG Edward Ruesga made Mar 25 at 2024 6:02 PM

1SG Edward Ruesga — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:02:56 -0400

No, there is a difference between a combat veteran, and a service veteran. All who serve are veterans, but those that served in a combat zone, are veterans of that conflict. i.e Korean, Vietnam, Gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan. Don’t minimize the combat soldiers actual sacrifice with those had the potential but did not.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2024 6:43 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Mar 2024 06:43:50 -0400

I concur. I served DURING, not IN, the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars. Three times I was to deploy, ready to go, and all three deployments were cancelled. So I refuse to wear a hat that says “Iraqi war veteran”. I do wear an Army Veteran hat.

Response by SPC Francis Center made Mar 29 at 2024 9:37 AM

SPC Francis Center — Fri, 29 Mar 2024 09:37:46 -0400

Even if we did not serve in Vietnam,we have the designation of Vietnam era vets which is fine.We could have gone at any time.But there is only one true Vietnam vet and they are the ones that went over to Vietnam and served over there.Take nothing away from those men and women, who served our country and got treated like shit when they came back.The ones that made it back are the real Vietnam vets and hero’s.

Response by LCDR James Banning made Mar 29 at 2024 5:33 PM

LCDR James Banning — Fri, 29 Mar 2024 17:33:24 -0400

Absolutely not. As a Vietnam ERA vet I would never refer to myself as a Vietnam vet. In my personal opinion I would consider that disrespectful to those who actually served in theatre. Yes, we could have gone but we didn’t. My personal experience was standing on the side of a room that went to a ship that just returned from Vietnam and the other side went to a ship that was going there. Fate made the decision for me. I am proud to be a Navy veteran but would never claim to be a Vietnam veteran. That is for the guys and gals who did the hard yards.

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made Mar 31 at 2024 6:36 AM

CAPT Edward Schmitt — Sun, 31 Mar 2024 06:36:48 -0400

For me they served during the Vietnam War and are a Vietnam War vet

Response by SPC Matt Ovaska made Mar 31 at 2024 8:48 AM

SPC Matt Ovaska — Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:48:49 -0400

I guess God want to save your life instead of wasting it on a government, money making 20 year conflict. You served your country.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2024 9:30 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 31 Mar 2024 09:30:38 -0400

So what is the big deal? What harm is done if you use that phrase? I am a Cold War, Vietnam Era Vet. If someone uses that phase when talking to me I let them know that all my service was in West Germany. No harm done. What is wrong about it? For those who served in Vietnam I praise them. They are heroes to me. That does not mean If I hear/see someone call someone who is a Vietnam Era Vet a Vietnam Vet that I am going to correct that person or look down on them. I'll use the trite phrase "no harm, no foul"!

Response by MSgt Kerry Hyde made Mar 31 at 2024 1:26 PM

MSgt Kerry Hyde — Sun, 31 Mar 2024 13:26:05 -0400

I was stationed in Guam for 15months, December 1971 through May 1973. I worked on the B-52D model bombers as a Crew Chief and also assisted ground maintenance by towing the bomber tow bars to the jungle just off base for sand blasting and re-paint of this equipment. Since I wasn't stationed in country, I was still working towards the same goals. But I still believe that I cannot be called a Viet Nam vet but an Out of Country Viet Nam vet. I also remember all the trash that protestors talked about us. The protesters should of channeled all their crap to Congress and the President and not to the military who gave their lives to this war.

Response by SPC Peter Suedfeld made Mar 31 at 2024 9:43 PM

SPC Peter Suedfeld — Sun, 31 Mar 2024 21:43:32 -0400

This is an interesting question. How does it apply to veterans who served in other wars, but not in combat nor a combat zone? World War I and II veterans are called and considered to be World War veterans, but I don't think that applies to veterans of the Korean War years; and I had never heard of it being customary for those who served during, but not physically in, Vietnam. I look forward to the discussion, and to read the reasoning of the participants.

Response by SGT Richard Hanson SSP/CGS made Apr 1 at 2024 3:38 AM

SGT Richard Hanson SSP/CGS — Mon, 01 Apr 2024 03:38:41 -0400

I was in the Army during the time of the of the Apollo Space program, Does that make me an Astronaut?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2024 10:19 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Apr 2024 10:19:41 -0400

I am a Viet Nam Era Veteran. My brother is a Viet Nam Veteran. I know the hardships he went through and the aftermath of his Service. I am proud that he has the distinction of being called a Vietnam Vet, and and all such Veterans should be honored in that way. I have never been called a Viet Nam Vet, and if I were, I would swiftly correct the speaker.

Response by Sgt John Baatenburg made Apr 1 at 2024 1:50 PM

Sgt John Baatenburg — Mon, 01 Apr 2024 13:50:33 -0400

If you did not serve in Viet Nam you are not a Viet Nam Veteran. To say otherwise is a slap in the face to those that did. How could anyone think that someone who never left the CONUS or served somewhere other than Viet Nam would be considered them a Viet Nam veteran. Simply disgraceful.

Response by Sgt John Baatenburg made Apr 1 at 2024 1:53 PM

Sgt John Baatenburg — Mon, 01 Apr 2024 13:53:22 -0400

Only those who served in Viet Nam are Viet Nam Veterans. For someone to claim they are a Viet Nam veteran but did not serve there is a disgrace.

Response by SPC Paul Gooch made Apr 1 at 2024 10:08 PM

SPC Paul Gooch — Mon, 01 Apr 2024 22:08:27 -0400

We have all been to war at some point or another. What really sucks is when you come back home stepping into a battle that's continuous

Response by SSG Raul Alaniz made Apr 2 at 2024 9:06 PM

SSG Raul Alaniz — Tue, 02 Apr 2024 21:06:37 -0400

I’m a 20 year veteran US Army, I’m not a Vietnam Veteran, I had 2 uncles that Served in the Nam, 1 was USMC and another in the US Army, both wore Vietnam Vet cap/hats, both uncles are very proud they served in Vietnam and prefer to let civilians know wear they served, so “Yes” should be recognized as such, and why not, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Veterans do and want ppl to know where they served, especially in a Military town close or near a post/base. Our US veterans served and fought all over the world and deserve to be recognized. I hope everyone understands what I’m trying to say for my Brothers and Sisters in uniform, past present and future. Thank You to them all for their Service.
THE SARGE

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Apr 5 at 2024 10:23 AM

SGT Bill Braniff — Fri, 05 Apr 2024 10:23:00 -0400

I totally do not agree. Those era Vets did in no way suffer what a lot of us did d in Vietnam. I am of course referring to the combat Vets. The ones with the CIB’d and Combat Action Medals. The Pilots, Medics. Air crew on choppers.
For the most of those guys gave more of themselves than the payroll clerks. Cooks helpers vehicle refueled etc.
I don’t want to forget about the Arty men and Engineers. We all know who we are. You other guys know who you are too.
I have never heard a clerk proudly admit to what his job was in Vietnam.
We deserve a little more. My view only

Response by CPO Charles Helms made Apr 27 at 2024 8:04 AM

CPO Charles Helms — Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:04:47 -0400

From 1965-1973 we were all Vietnam Era Vets, not all of us went to southeast Asia! I classify myself as a Vietnam Era Vet which regardless of what you want to think of me, I am proud to be a Vietnam Era Veteran! During those 8 years any and all of us had a chance of going whether in country or in the Tonkin Gulf sending the air support for the troops on the ground! When out and about and I see a fellow veteran with his ball cap, I say to them welcome home brother many will say it back to me! When I tell them I wasn't in country, I've had the response of it doesn't matter you were still part of the time and always could have been sent! But in the long run whether they were from the Greatest Generation, the Boomer generation, or the future generations we're all brothers and sisters we are the best of the best in America and were not afraid to answer call when our country needed us!