Posted on Feb 27, 2015
SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD
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I have spoken with other vets regarding this topic, and they have indicated that in some States, they are addressed as such. I personally don't feel it's right, as I served in Germany from 62 to 65, and not in Country.

What is your take on this?
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CPT Jack Durish
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To be fair, anyone who served in the military during the time of the Vietnam War had a chance of going there. Furthermore, anyone in uniform during that time was subject to the same abuse back home. You were just as likely to be called a "Baby Killer" and have pig's blood thrown on you regardless of where you were stationed or what your MOS was.

However, there is a distinction. Vietnam Era Vets are not Vietnam Vets. Those who served in Germany or Alabama weren't exposed to enemy fire or Agent Orange. Let's not blur the lines...
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PO2 David Dunlap
PO2 David Dunlap
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Sgt Mike Durham - wrong! I have the armed forces expeditionary medal and its listed on my 214!!!
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Sgt Mike Durham
Sgt Mike Durham
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PO2 David Dunlap - you are absolutely right, and I apologize.
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Sgt Mike Durham
Sgt Mike Durham
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Sgt Rodney Bell - absolutely correct. I was at U-Tapao from 1969-1970. I was awarded the VSM with one bronze service star. It’s on my 214. If you were in Thailand, Laos and Cambodia and provided direct military support b-52’s, tankers, etc.) during a specific period, you were eligible for the VSM. I wear a hat they says VIETNAM VETERAN and have my base and country on each side. If someone says ‘thank you for your service, I explain to them who else is eligible so they understand there are more of us veterans, just not those in country, as they sa.
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Sgt Mike Durham
Sgt Mike Durham
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SSgt Steve Hamilton - I was at U-Tapao in 69-70. We were awarded the VSM with one bronze service star. My 214 has VSM on it, and it sounds like you, too, should be eligible
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PO1 Joan (Tipka) (Plummer) Fisher
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No! Vietnam Vets Earned the exclusive right to call themselves that. It would be another slap in the face to them to call someone who served in Europe a Vietnam Vet. Only those who endured the hardships should be called that.
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SFC Lyle Green
SFC Lyle Green
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Society at that time, 60-75 were constantly bashed with a very wide brush about Vietnam, and Veterans in general. As in all conflict, "wars" or disputes that require US soldiers to be ordered to Kill the "Bad Guys" by the so called voice of the people, our leaders the Politicians. The political "lapdogs" of these demagogues spew the motives, ambitions and talking points as they are directed. As these media puppets spewed their malicious BS as directed, all during the VN conflict. Of course it was all "go get em boys, kill them dirty commie gooks" when LBJ and the democrats were pushing their commercial enterprise for a war, check out the Gulf of Tonkin farce that was staged to start the original deployment of massive troops to VN. Proven to be a lie. Truth be known, the war or whatever one choses to call it, was technically, by all measures of success in war.... Won by the US. in 70-73. The peace accord was signed, North VN was bombed in complete submission, their last greatest push by their Hero Gen. Gap at Khe Shun cost them 168,000 men ( that's all the remains that could be counted, many were vaporized) the insurgency of the Viet Cong was totally annihilated. During the entire conflict, no American base, RON, FSB, was ever captured by the enemy and held for over 24 hours before being retaken. If that's not Victory, what is? All because of we all as Veterans of that era and place demonstrated the American spirt of Kick Ass if need be, to the entire world. But, it was all given away once we warriors were removed from the picture and sent home. As our promise (signed agreement of US - SVN treaty) to SVN to continue our Air Support and re-supplies as needed was financially cut off and denied by the then Democratic Congress. There fore they lied, deserted and forfeited al the blood and treasure we the Veterans sacrificed. To hide their treachery and corruption, who do you think they pointed the finger of blame of defeat to? Right, we Veterans. Digging up every detail of disgrace, savageries, drug addictions, child murders, atrocities, undisciplined rouges, mentally defected, etc. to define the Veterans. Supported by the bias lapdog the Media this was given daily to the public, instigators of this scourge were sent to every university, collage, or congregated establishments, Congressional town halls in the country. Resulting in Riots, protests, violence, demonstrations throughout our country. Cowards burning their draft cards, thousands defecting to Canada to avoid the draft (later to be given complete amnesty and later returned to the US as the real heroes by the public). Kent Stake, Berkley, and hundreds more Universities rioting, destruction, violence, attacking police, NG soldiers. Yet, who had to bare the center of attention to target for this induced rage, hate, vengeance, public insults, disgrace, humiliation etc.? Yes, the beloved Veterans. I have written many articles of the disgraceful time in our history, never before experienced in our history. Even in the So call VA Medical Centers where we were all guaranteed care and help once we served, this too was a joke. It was often said, " If you walked in to a VA Hospital with one leg, they'd convince you that you had two". To that I can testify, I returned from VN after 2 weeks in the Hospital at Bien Hoa, one eye almost gone, missing a nut, hip almost destroyed an a nice hole in my thigh, at the VA in Memphis I was given a final physical an the final diagnosis: I was deformed. No such thing as Agent Orange ( not to be mentioned it existed) nor ptsd ( considered a just a cowardly excuse). Treatment and prescribed remedies: You're OK, come back in 6 months, put all that VN stuff behind you, get over it, be a man. I won't go into the matter any further, it would take a novel. My point, It is for ever IMPORTANT for any Veteran that served in that so called era, in Vietnam or not, combat or not to address or identify themselves as such to any public, related, etc. person or persons. Many may bear some needless guilt for not being in direct combat or actually in VN, but that has to be put away for it has no significance or relevance to your honor for Serving Our Country in such difficult times. For you had to face the same consequences, heartaches, insults, and embarrassments of all who wore the uniform during that so called era. God Bless you All.
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Sgt Dave VonAllmen
Sgt Dave VonAllmen
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So only those that fought in Europe or the Pacific theater can be called wwll vets?
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SFC Lyle Green
SFC Lyle Green
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There was nothing even close to WWII and Vietnam. Who or why would any sane person protest, riot, openly / proudly refuse the draft to service, run to Canada as a traitor, etc. during WWII? That war was for the actual survival or existence of our Republic. Anyone who wore a military uniform was treated with the respect and adoration of their service, regardless of where or what they served or duties they performed. As the description denotes a "World At War". As I previously made mention of, Vietnam was a political, corrupt commercially motivated for $$$ disaster from the get go. As I vividly recall, for example, LBJ quoted saying to the CEO of Bell Corp. in 1964 " Get me elected and I'll give you a GD Vietnam War". In my personal experience at that time, any Veteran retuning home from foreign duty or even Veterans who never left the states were treated and persecuted equally as deplorable. Therefore my opinion, right or wrong, objective or subjective was and is as I previously mentioned.
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SPC Mark DuCre
SPC Mark DuCre
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The proper term should be "Viet Nam Combat Vets" and "Viet Nam Era Vet". Those who served in WWII who never went to battle still earned the V pin. If you served in country VN you earned campaign ribbons for various operations. As a "DUTY (Support) Soldier" (as my VN Combat Vet buddy calls them) you should still get a service ribbon for the time you served during that combat era.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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Absolutely Not! Vietnam era vets weren't there and in no way are Vietnam Vets. I saw on Medals of America website, there is a Nam era medal for them. How silly is that? I couldn't wear that medal. It doesn't stand for anything, except you were in the military while the war was going on. Why you weren't there, I'll never understand.
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CPL Walter Franzen
CPL Walter Franzen
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U hit the nail on the head. T/U for your service Walt US51586642
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Sgt Gail Hardy
Sgt Gail Hardy
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As a woman, I was not required to register for the draft, but I enlisted as a volunteer. At the time, women were not allowed in combat, with the exception of nurses. I ended up in Japan processing personnel for an R&R base and watching the effects of the "Conflict" on the men who came through.
While I was in Basic Training I saw the effects of the Da Nang flight line explosion when an officer who survived talked in church minus some of the fingers on his hands and covered in scars. When I went home on leave, people would cross the street rather than walk on the same side that I was on when I was in uniform.
When I got married, my husband helped to train special forces and he enlisted my help because our men were too "chivalrous" and were getting killed helping women and children (who were walking bombs). He wanted to teach them that a woman could be dangerous. I was not allowed to learn their names because he didn't want me in grief counselling if someone I helped train got killed. I have stood at "The Wall" and wondered how many men I helped train are on there.
When I got home I attended a religious college and was watching a "war" movie when a helicopter landed and a girl in black pajamas ran toward it. In the middle of the theater I yelled "shoot her", which of course they did, but the other people in the theater were shocked and very upset because I'd yelled that. I was also ostracized because of it and almost expelled because that was not a "Christian" attitude.
Those of us who did not serve in combat may not have suffered in the same way as those who were directly involved, but we did not get off "Scot free" from the effects of the war. I have PTSD. I was raped. I don't want to claim anything that I'm not entitled to, but at the same time, for all of us who served during Vietnam, our lives were forever changed and we can never be like those who did not serve.
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Amn Jennifer Lee (Doerflinger) Hill
Amn Jennifer Lee (Doerflinger) Hill
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SGT (Join to see) , SGT Bodine, he contributed to the war effort, did he not? He served at the discretion of the DoD. Has he no honor?
I would never claim to be a Vietnam Vet, nor would I ever claim to have served in combat, but what I did was important, as well. My service is ERA, having been enrolled in the inactive reserve earlier, but not going active until I turned 18 in Oct 1973. That's only because women had to be 18 or older to enlist. I graduated from high school at 16. I would gladly have gone in earlier. The law said, no.
Some of the comments seem to belittle those whose orders kept their service within a non combat area. I disagree.
But the specific idiocy of a medal for Era Vets? No need for it. It's not appropriate.
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PO3 Douglas George
PO3 Douglas George
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My brother is a Vietnam Vet. I am a Vietnam Era vet. I served on an East coast tin can. He served on an LST Deployed to Nam. I was deployed to the Med and to the Indian ocean. Nothing to understand, just orders.
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