Posted on Jul 16, 2014
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Not to piss more of you off about the "Should a 2LT salute a 1LT?" thread moving to the top of the most recent discussions every 5 seconds but I haven't thought about the Warrant Officers on this subject.

So I have a 2ndLt on deck in my unit now and I asked him and our 1stLt about them saluting each other and they explained that also Warrant Officers and Chief Warrant Officers in addition to the Lieutenants never salute each other and it's widely accepted in the Marine Corps under the "one bar rule."

I'm just seeking your thoughts on this.
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CW5 Michael Scheller
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Hold on! What we are truly discussing is a professional exchange or greeting. I, a Warrant Officer, greet many professionals each day. Some are required by regulation to INITIATE the exchange (salute) with me while with others I must be the initiator. I do not simply salute a Lieutenant; he or she in return salutes me. I salute and greet enlisted and noncommissioned officers daily and am proud to do so.

Too many Soldiers, including some of my brethren Warrant Officers, look upon this as a burden instead of a friendly exchange that it truly is. This is similar to saying "good morning ma'am" to a lady I encounter at the grocery store. Initiating that greeting did not make me subordinate to her, however it did enhance my sense of pride in being a gentleman. I take similar pride in being a military professional and thus gladly initiate and return the salute when appropriate.
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SFC Gary Wysocki
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SFC Joseph Finck, BS, MA - I agree totally. There were officers in my unit who would make a game of it to see if they could get their salute up before I did. It was a friendly exchange of greetings and the fact that they would even think to salute me first was a source of pride in the esteem they held for me as a soldier. A salute is just that. A way to show respect.
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PO2 Robert M.
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You, Sir, are an officer and a Gentleman!
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CPT Jonathan Adams
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Well said Chief Scheller
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CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr.
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Well said Brother. This was my attitude for my 25 years as a Warrant.
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CW5 Sam B.
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It is an ABSOLUTE YES on all accounts, yes warrant officers are commissioned, but the rank structure still places me below a LT (who usually for some reason calls me "sir") and above the CSM. Some folks try to place field grade on warrants, no such animal, but then the new OER places us there on the OER. This here Army is a confusing beast at times, but all warrants will salute a LT and if not, beware if I am around. SMOKED is what you will be!

caveat....when my daughter graduates USNA in 2016 she will out rank me after 30 years of service on her first day!

**UPDATE** We are now covered in the Army Regulations as Field Grade for CW3/4 and Senior Field Grade for CW5 and we ALL still salute the 2LT!.
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PO2 Karl Lehn
PO2 Karl Lehn
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The law states Warrant Officers fall with but behind 2nd Ltsband Ensigns. There's an implication there that Warrants probably don't have to salute O1's. However one of a Warrant Officers responsibilities is to teach by example. Saluting O1's is good for getting used to the idea. And I agree it's just plain military manners.
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CDR Naval Aviator
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OP of this comment sub-thread is actually wrong. Warrant officers are NOT commissioned officers.

That said, this does not remove the fact that respect goes both ways in the chain- up and down.

Just as an O5 is correct when addressing an O1 as “sir”, it is appropriate for a warrant to salute a commissioned officer. Otherwise, we are allowing the millennial snowflake mentality to take over. There are still requirements that are based on rank.
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CW2 Pamela (Carpenter) Summers
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Since FY 1986, DOD still warrants its Warrant Officer 1’s (WO1), but since then, the DOD commissions it’s Chief Warrant Officers (CW2 through CW5’s,) making them Commissioned Officers. This change, however, does not impact the saluting priorities; never has, never will, because the rank priorities still govern that. A CW5 is supposed to salute an Ensign or a 2nd LT, and on up the rank of officers.
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CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr.
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LTC Barry Hull Actually CW2 and above have been commissioned for quite a long time now. As to leadership, during my 25 years as a Warrant I commanded a 360 man Service Support Compsny for 20 months and was THE S3 of an MI Battalion for 17 months. Warrants now routinely serve in leadership positions and do well at them.
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I saluted a 2LT on Thursday and he did not correct me. Case closed.
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MSG Reid Zohfeld
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Chief 5 you had to be yanking on the 2lt chain by saluting him/her If you had to then it confirms how weak Chief 5 have become. My days Chiefs where gods and no one messed or screwed with them. I notice chiefs where becoming more wimps on my way out. I pray that this can be turned around and Chiefs can get the respect
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Arsenio Ibay
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Chief wasn't being weak. He was being professional.
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Choose your battles. A little courtesy goes a long way.
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