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Not to piss more of you off about the "Should a 2LT salute a 1LT?" thread moving to the top of the most recent discussions every 5 seconds but I haven't thought about the Warrant Officers on this subject.

So I have a 2ndLt on deck in my unit now and I asked him and our 1stLt about them saluting each other and they explained that also Warrant Officers and Chief Warrant Officers in addition to the Lieutenants never salute each other and it's widely accepted in the Marine Corps under the "one bar rule."

I'm just seeking your thoughts on this.
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CW5 Michael Scheller
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Hold on! What we are truly discussing is a professional exchange or greeting. I, a Warrant Officer, greet many professionals each day. Some are required by regulation to INITIATE the exchange (salute) with me while with others I must be the initiator. I do not simply salute a Lieutenant; he or she in return salutes me. I salute and greet enlisted and noncommissioned officers daily and am proud to do so.

Too many Soldiers, including some of my brethren Warrant Officers, look upon this as a burden instead of a friendly exchange that it truly is. This is similar to saying "good morning ma'am" to a lady I encounter at the grocery store. Initiating that greeting did not make me subordinate to her, however it did enhance my sense of pride in being a gentleman. I take similar pride in being a military professional and thus gladly initiate and return the salute when appropriate.
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LTC James McElreath
LTC James McElreath
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One thing I found at Ft Sam Houston, Tx was the advent of the no salute area's. This rule was supposed to be used in the various schools on base, there was the no hat required rule. On that base they did not wish to stress the doctors. Who else takes a bus to the field, wearing white lab coats and observe enlisted folks working the ground exercise. so they had an idea of how its done.
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SPC Larry Johnson
SPC Larry Johnson
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Well said, Chief
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SPC Larry Johnson
SPC Larry Johnson
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This may sound corny but when I was in, It always made me proud when I saluted and it also made me feel good when thee officer saluted me back.
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Col Jonathan Brazee
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You nailed it, CWO5 Scheller!
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CW5 Sam B.
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It is an ABSOLUTE YES on all accounts, yes warrant officers are commissioned, but the rank structure still places me below a LT (who usually for some reason calls me "sir") and above the CSM. Some folks try to place field grade on warrants, no such animal, but then the new OER places us there on the OER. This here Army is a confusing beast at times, but all warrants will salute a LT and if not, beware if I am around. SMOKED is what you will be!

caveat....when my daughter graduates USNA in 2016 she will out rank me after 30 years of service on her first day!

**UPDATE** We are now covered in the Army Regulations as Field Grade for CW3/4 and Senior Field Grade for CW5 and we ALL still salute the 2LT!.
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CW2 Nick Chadwick
CW2 Nick Chadwick
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Always salute the LT!!! They do the PowerPoints for you. I don’t want to go to all those “important” traffic light meeting on personnel and training stats. You know that digs into your time actually doing stuff like fixing things, Training Soldiers, Learning new skills, and innovating. My salute is more than just a military courtousy, it’s a thank you for dealing with the clip boards, lists, and needless formations!!! Thank you LT, I’ll save your ass and salute you any day!
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MSgt Paul Connors
MSgt Paul Connors
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Sgt Sasha Cruz - Not if you want to be a CTO or CIO someday. Those roles mandate degrees!
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Capt George Kent Brashear
Capt George Kent Brashear
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My little story: As a prior enlisted air policeman, I completed the last two years of AFROTC and pinned on gold bars. On the inside I still felt like the same sky-cop who had saluted thousands of second lieutenants. So on my first day as a new second lieutenant, I came to attention and saluted the first second lieutenant I saw. I had acted out of instinct. That much younger lieutenant was stunned and finally returned my salute. That happened only once.
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CW5 Sam B.
CW5 Sam B.
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Capt George Kent Brashear - great story sir, awesome!
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CW5 Command Chief Warrant Officer
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I saluted a 2LT on Thursday and he did not correct me. Case closed.
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SPC Bradley Field
SPC Bradley Field
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Was taught always to salute any Warrant Officer or Commissioned Officer. I did see on a few occasions a 2Lt or 1Lt initiating a Salute to a CW5, and I believe it was out of total respect. Not many CW5's out there and obviously they earned it.
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SFC Patrick M.
SFC Patrick M.
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I saw a 2 star General initiate a salute to a CSM. The CSM was wearing his Medal of Honor. A salute is an honorable greeting. Yes every Warrant officer is supposed to salute every 2nd Lt by Regulation. No that General had no obligation to salute the CSM. He was Saluting the MOH. Their ie regulation and tradition. Their is also fun. I can remember Saluting the same Dr many times as he was coming into the Hospital and I was leaving and him not returning it. He always had to much stuff in his hands. We laughed about it often. He was not disrespecting me he just had his hands full. Since he was one of the best Drs I ever worked with myself and all the other enlisted in the Hospital had fun catching him out side. He would just laugh at himself and say I really need to get a backpack.
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MSG John Duchesneau
MSG John Duchesneau
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Go Master Chief!
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LTC James McElreath
LTC James McElreath
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Jeff,
While in the Army I had never ran into what you had observed. That has to be a rare moment in time. I am sure you will never get over that experience any time soon. Thank You For Your Service! I still can't get over the thrill for you that must had been present.
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