Should we be concerned about man’s hoard of nearly 5,000 guns, which shows the ease of amassing arms in U.S.?

2015-12-04T08:50:53-05:00

Should we concerned about Man’s hoard of nearly 5,000 guns shows ease of amassing arms in U.S.?

I believe in the 2nd Amendment and I'm a Gun Owner as well? Your thoughts RP Members? Check out the story and provide some professional feedback!

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-stockpile-insight-idUSKBN0TM2LU20151204

As sheriff’s investigators threaded past the battered cars, cast-off tires and rusted farm equipment cluttering Brent Nicholson’s front yard, there was no hint of the sinister stockpile hidden behind his windowless front door.

Inside, the guns were everywhere: rifles and shotguns piled in the living room, halls and bedrooms; handguns littering tables and countertops. Outside, when they rolled up the door on the pre-fab metal garage, more arms spilled out at their feet.

“This has completely changed our definition of an ass-load of guns,” said Chesterfield County Sheriff Jay Brooks. Six weeks after the discovery, officers are still cataloging the weapons, many of which have proved stolen, and the final tally is expected to be close to 5,000. “I don’t know if there’s ever been (a seizure) this big anywhere before,” Brooks says.

The question of how one man amassed such a stockpile of guns arises just as there is renewed American soul-searching over the widespread availability of firearms in the wake of a series of mass shootings.

Man’s hoard of nearly 5,000 guns shows ease of amassing arms in U.S.

As sheriff’s investigators threaded past the battered cars, cast-off tires and rusted farm equipment cluttering Brent Nicholson’s front yard, there was no hint of the sinister stockpile hidden behind his windowless front door.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Dec 4 at 2015 8:53 AM

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Perhaps we should COL Mikel J. Burroughs. I am not very concerned about people who we know about who hoard guns and ammunition. I am much more concerned about those like the Muslim couple who attacked the rehabilitative facility holiday party yesterday because they secretly hoarded weapons and ammunition and developed a rudimentary bomb factory.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Dec 4 at 2015 8:53 AM

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Uh most definitely, who needs that many weapons unless they trying to do something stupid and destructive?

Response by MAJ Alvin B. made Dec 4 at 2015 9:09 AM

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In my opinion no.
Obtaining guns legally is not difficult and Generally never has been. Flippant comment follows - How many pairs of shoes are too many? How many bladed weapons are too many?
Did he harm anyone?
We seem to be moving more and more toward a world where we are framing the potential of something, not an action as a crime.

Response by SGT David T. made Dec 4 at 2015 9:12 AM

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In itself, no. There are other factors that may cause concern. In this particular case, we have a ton of stolen weapons which is really bad. Many of us on RP have what some may consider to be too many. As long as they are not used for unlawful purposes there is no problem. In my case I like a variety depending on what I feel like shooting that day. I am never going to use them for any illegal purposes so I don't see why anyone would or should care how many I have.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2015 9:19 AM

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My only problem is that according to the report...most seem to be stolen. I just don't want this guy eyeing my collection for his next "score"

Response by LTC Trent Klug made Dec 4 at 2015 9:42 AM

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Look at the flip side. He owns 5000 or more firearms and not one of those weapons leapt off his porch, jumped off his tables, or fell from the side of a car and killed anyone. That's absolutely contrary to the point of the anti-gunners. This is a certified gun-nut and he proves the point that people have been trying to make regarding gun violence. It isn't the gun that kills, its the person holding said gun.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Dec 4 at 2015 10:18 AM

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Not if they were purchased legally, but according to this most weren't. What needs to be done now, is figure out how they were gotten, and plug that leak. If folks are up in arms over the amount of ammo and weapons the shooters in CA had, this without a doubt should be opening a few more eyes and have folks asking why would you have this many weapons, in one place, at one time, you're not a registered dealer, and who is the target market for them? I wonder how many collector pieces are in there, and what will happen to them?

Response by SGT Patrick Reno made Dec 4 at 2015 10:19 AM

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Dosen't matter how many you have, you can only shoot one at a time. Looks like he takes really good care of them.

Response by CSM David Heidke made Dec 4 at 2015 11:08 AM

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Looking at the pictures you have to wonder if this guy was selling illegal guns he was definitely not looking at his market... I saw a lot of stained walnut. And one of the deputies was holding up a bolt action.

We all know that illegal guns are black and have pistol grips.

this guy is just mentally ill.

Response by CW3 Jim Norris made Dec 4 at 2015 11:19 AM

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Hoarder......that's all. Proably been at it for years and years and never even fired any of them. I have about a dozen different hand guns and about the same number of long guns of various historical and practical usages.
Just a hoarder of long guns looks like.....sure wish he'd have a yard sale :-)

Response by SPC Paul Missick made Dec 4 at 2015 11:36 AM

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shows he is a gun hoarder,that is all. Trying to use it for a political angle is counter productive to protecting our 2nd ammendment rights

Response by MSgt Daniel Attilio made Dec 4 at 2015 11:39 AM

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Just a hoarder.

Response by SPC David S. made Dec 4 at 2015 11:42 AM

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If the picture is indeed his collection I don't care for the way he secures them however not surprised that none of them have been stolen from someone with 5000+ firearms. My father has a special license for "collecting" firearms. He's 80+ years of age and I never had any problems with him or his guns. So no I don't have a problem other than the way they are secured and or maintained.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 4 at 2015 11:51 AM

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To each their own. Not a fan of the lack of security on the weapons, but just owning firearms is a non issue.

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Dec 4 at 2015 11:59 AM

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It says he stole some of them. Obviously, that's wrong. Having 5,000 guns, however, is not. Really, how many could you even use in a given criminal event, anyway? After five or ten, there's not much difference if you're worried about him misusing them.

The main point, however, is that asking if a person has too many guns flies in the face of the principles of freedom on which our Republic was founded.

Response by SSG Keith Cashion made Dec 4 at 2015 12:04 PM

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If you look at the place and the other stuff that was found, it looks more on the lines of hoarding. 128 chainsaws? Crap load of stuffed animals? Could there have been something sinister going on with this guy? Could he have been just a guy who likes to have a lot of guns....yes. Here is one that hasn't been brought up yet as well...he is a doomsday kinda guy waiting for the Zombie Apocalypse. All joking aside I have friends and relatives that have crap loads of weapons and ammo. My dad had more guns than he knew what to do with, but that didn't make him sinister. Watch youtube about some of the 2nd Amendment guys....they have weapons and ammo galore, but it has nothing to do with something sinister.

As to a lot of the weapons this guy has that are stolen, part of the video stated that his own wife said that her husband had bought them legally. Did he steal them or did someone else and he just bought them off of them. Yep, dealing in stolen property is a felony, and I am sure he will be prosecuted for that.

Look at it this way...would you say the guy that owns his own private gun shop, even though he maybe selling, but he still owns them all, has to many? It's not how many you have, but what your intentions with all of those guns are.

Half Nickel of the day

Response by SP5 Joel O'Brien made Dec 4 at 2015 12:10 PM

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Some people collect stamps.

Response by LCpl Ash Carson made Dec 4 at 2015 12:20 PM

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Wow... That's a lot of guns. But the funny thing is you don't hear about him going around shooting people. If he wants all those firearms then go ahead it's his right as an American

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Dec 4 at 2015 12:26 PM

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Jay Leno owns a lot of cars. Is that a problem? I mean, how many cars should one guy be allowed to own?

I can tell you who owns a lot more guns than him....The government. Also, I don't see where he ever committed what we like to call a "gun crime".

It appears he has a lot of stolen merchandise on his premises which he will likely be in trouble over. My guess is many thieves knew he would pay cash for things, no questions asked.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Dec 4 at 2015 12:42 PM

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For this guy, there would be a lot of other issues to consider as to whether I would be concerned or not... mental stability, run-ins with the law, prior history, and this list can go on and on... But lets assume, for a moment, all of these weapons were legal... And he is a straight arrow... Someone saw all of these weapons and ATF get's notified... Since the constitutional right to bear arms does not put a limit on the number of weapons citizens can own, if they were seized, for any reason, but found to be in check, would he get them back? What dictates confiscation for a number of weapons held by an individual? How many can I own legally and not have to worry about being detained by ATF for a large number of personally owned legal weapons? Inquiring minds want to know if we should start off loading some of our "caches"... ;) But seriously, what is the "magic number" considered to be too many in which the government feels the need to intervene?

Response by SGT Alexander Hildenbrandt made Dec 4 at 2015 12:45 PM

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Na,
You can only fire one gun at a time. Stockpiling weapons is scary only to the people who should be scared of stockpiling which is the Fed.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2015 12:45 PM

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Yes control that please! maximum ownership of firearm must be passed. Also, sugar ... car... liquor ...ammo ... furniture ... house ... dog ... meat ... land ... clothing ... gold ... silver ... cash at home .... cash in the bank .... cash oversea .... what else ... one of the most important, your life span too.

How did that sound?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2015 1:01 PM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs I'm sure this news story will cause a stir especially among those that are uninitiated in firearms. The pictures I saw showed lots of what one would call hunting weapons, lever action and bolt action weapons. Before we panic let's look at the category of weapons involved, let's look at the totality of the circumstances. As LTC Klug said very well the gentleman did not use the weapons to hurt any one purposefully or accidentally, that says something about his intent and gun ownership in general. The sad part of this is that gun control advocates are going to feed off of the fear this report creates.

Response by COL Ted Mc made Dec 4 at 2015 1:10 PM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs - Mikel; Actually I think that the gentleman was doing us all a public service.

For one thing there is no conceivable way that he could have used all of those guns and (since many of them were stolen) he was keeping them out of the hands of criminals.

If it takes 10 minutes to clean a weapon, and if he worked 12 hours per day 5 days per week at keeping the guns clean and ensuring that they were functional, it would take him around 97 days to work through the whole lot (at which time it would probably be time to start over again).

Actually I don't see this fellow as being much more of a nut than someone who collects tinfoil or string.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Dec 4 at 2015 1:21 PM

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I would only be concerned if he could fire all 5,000 simultaneously and he was after me.

Response by SFC Wade W. made Dec 4 at 2015 2:29 PM

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Nope, just put a pin in the map, do a recon and make sure he has plenty of ammo.

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Dec 4 at 2015 2:43 PM

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It does not bother me about the number of guns that he had. What bothers me is the number that they claim were stolen and no one was able to come to the conclusion that this guy was running a ring of stolen weapons. I doubt he stole them himself as he probably had help.
He is a gun nut and a criminal. The fact he had so many guns is not the issue. I see the issue as the Police Force, ATF or whoever failed to see this guy was amassing a large number of illegally possessed weapons.

Response by TSgt David L. made Dec 4 at 2015 3:24 PM

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I won't say how many I own. but it is well over 20 and less than 75. Too many? Says who? What I can say for this gentleman is that he apparently takes care of them or some would surely run away and spray the neighborhoods with bullets. You know how that happens, guns just go out and spray bullets while bad people stay home and play solitaire.

My collection has always behaved as well. I've left them alone, but no sinister behavior by the "Black" guns. LOL

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Dec 4 at 2015 4:23 PM

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It appears he was up to shennanigans, as in, he was moving them, not to mention the drugs.
If he were, in fact, an honest law abiding citizen who just loved having a ton of firearms for whatever reason, I don't personally have an issue with it.
Sounds as if there are other issues though. Will probably turn out that he is a Sovereign....

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Dec 4 at 2015 4:33 PM

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If you know how many guns you have, you don't have enough.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Dec 4 at 2015 6:02 PM

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It is not unusual for people to collect guns. I once knew a judge who had hundreds of them. I also once responded to a burglar alarm at a storage building owned by a lawyer (false alarm) and it looked about like this guy's place. There were guns piled everywhere. Almost all shotguns and hunting rifles like this guy has. He also had a couple of classic cars in the shed. I would have liked to have them all.

Response by MSG John Melville made Dec 4 at 2015 6:59 PM

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I say let him be. He can only shoot one gun at a time, unless he is a movie RAMBO!

Response by PO3 Brad Phlipot made Dec 4 at 2015 9:38 PM

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ROFL!! I cannot find the color I like.

Response by PO3 Brad Phlipot made Dec 4 at 2015 9:41 PM

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Naaa, I have a VAULT Full +8k rounds of 5.56x45 and 9mm. 6 rifles and 2 pistols. Good to go.

Response by CPO Andy Carrillo, MS made Dec 4 at 2015 9:43 PM

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An ex-girlfriend's wealthy father from CT had twice that many in his impressive collection, along with an underground rifle range, all housed in his massive basement. I didn't ask a whole lot of questions, if you get my drift. Some people hoard cats; others, firearms. If you have a mansion, no big deal.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2015 10:30 PM

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EVERYONE needs a weapon.

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Dec 4 at 2015 10:54 PM

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TSgt Hunter Logan That does seem a little extreme.LOL

Response by SFC John Birks made Dec 4 at 2015 11:02 PM

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You can never have too many.. :)

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Dec 5 at 2015 12:43 AM

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Now I got a question. If none of the guns were stolen, legal, would he have broken any laws and would he been able to keep them?

Response by Alan K. made Dec 5 at 2015 6:30 AM

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Imagine if every firearm you ever saw and said "I'd like to have that" You actually acquired? Apparently this gentleman did.....I collect fine watches and firearms, my wife...Everything else! His passion was Firearms I guess. Heck of a retirement package.

Response by Lt Col David Merker made Dec 5 at 2015 8:01 AM

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You either believe in the 2nd Amendment or you don't. "Is this too much" types of discussions are counterproductive. We the people are at the top of the leadership of the USA not the president or government. That is what the Constitution fundamentally demands. I trust you and my neighbor over any government entity. If I want 10,000 guns it's my right. I can only shoot one at a time, so where's the problem? Once Americans give an inch on our rights, the Gov will take a mile. I didn't serve to protect the governments rights, I served to to protect our rights!

Response by SPC Michael Poyma made Dec 5 at 2015 9:55 AM

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Hoarding is a mental health issue.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Dec 5 at 2015 10:07 AM

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We should NOT be concerned with the simple fact that a person can amass 5000 guns. The fact that so many of them turned out to be stolen though, IS a concern.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2015 11:50 AM

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The only problem that i see with him having 5000 guns is that many were stolen. You can have as many guns as you would like but you need to get them legally.

Response by SPC Audreauna Cummings made Dec 5 at 2015 12:26 PM

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I applaud this man! He is prepared! And imagine that a citizen with that many guns has yet to cause a mass murder or "work-place violence". The anti-gun lobbyists are going to have a field day with this; it ruins all their ideals.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Dec 7 at 2015 2:24 AM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs So, he had an affinity for weapons. I have an affinity for attractive women. Are you going to charge me for that?

Response by PO1 John Miller made Dec 7 at 2015 4:57 AM

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My first response was: "The only issue I have is they're all out in the open and not stored in a gun safe."

Then I actually read the article while it appears that many commenters did not. COL Ted Mc seems to be one of the only people who did bother to click on the link.

It appears that many of his weapons were stolen and the police suspect that he was running guns or illegally selling them.

I will say this though. If the police ever decide to auction off his collection rather than destroy it, I would love to be there and make a few purchases to add to my own collection!

Response by SPC Eric Cunningham made Dec 7 at 2015 11:28 AM

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Why? If he passes a background check to own one, why do you have a problem with him owning 2? Or 10? Or 5,000? If he has the money to do so and isn't a violent criminal, there is no reason he can't spend it as he wishes. He's no more a danger with 5,000 guns and 2 hands than he is with 3 guns and 2 hands.

Response by SGT Lawrence Corser made Dec 7 at 2015 4:30 PM

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if he is mentally stable who cares what he owns

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2015 5:34 PM

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The only thing we should be concerned about is how he stole many of the guns that he had. The number of weapons one owns does not matter. What is more disturbing is that many believe it is their right to dictate the amount of weapons one CAN own.

Response by SGT William Howell made Dec 9 at 2015 8:54 AM

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In the words of my lovely wife after I come home with a new gun for my arsenal, "How many fucking guns do you need? You can only shoot at one time!" So unless this guy has a standing army of 5000 people he is no more dangerous than one.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Nov 2 at 2016 10:42 AM

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I guess they counted that "grease gun" as a gun as well. So what, the guy liked tools.

"Sinister stockpile"? What kind of anti-american libtard wrote this? Need I ask? LOL

Reading the article, this guy was a "fence" however he hoarded the stolen guns he bought.
The guy was an accessory basically to 1000's of burglaries and it is good he was caught and stolen property can be returned , that there were many guns has nothing to do with the fact they were merely stolen property, betcha he had alot of stolen jewelry as well , but these anti-gun asses won't make a true story.

Response by CW3 Harvey K. made Nov 27 at 2016 2:43 PM

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"Should we concerned about Man’s hoard of nearly 5,000 guns shows ease of amassing arms in U.S.?"

No more than we should be concerned with Jay Leno's hoard of automobiles.

Response by CW3 Harvey K. made Nov 27 at 2016 2:55 PM

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How many pairs of shoes did First Lady Marcos own?

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Jun 22 at 2017 12:32 AM

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Honestly, nope. Not one bit of concern from me. Now if you said "he also radioactively grew 4998 extra arms" then we might have an issue on our hands. 1 man can operate 1 rifle sized weapon or 2 handheld weapons effectively at any given time. Even if every single one of them was currently loaded... he can't carry them all.

If someone wants to own a bunch of firearms, by all means that's your prerogative.

Response by SSG William Jones made Jun 22 at 2017 1:22 AM

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Colonel, I must say that I am dismayed and somewhat disappointed in your question. I'd like to think that this question was not based upon your convictions but was an inquiry purposed in generalities. Hoping for the best, sir...

Response by LtCol George Carlson made Jun 22 at 2017 2:44 AM

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As many have stated, he can only fire one at a time ... and then only the ones he has ammunition for. Without ammo, they are just clubs.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2017 5:57 AM

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I have no problem with buying some guns. Now if that farm had some A-10, F-16, Tanks and Hummers I would pay to enter to see the cool equipment.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Jun 22 at 2017 6:09 AM

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If you need more then two or three weapons, that is just overboard.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2017 6:10 AM

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So they think he was selking guns because he didn't have many hand guns? Heck I have way more long guns than hand guns. It doesn't mean I sell stolen handguns. Does he live in a state where private transactions are legal for long guns and not hand guns? That would explain that part of it. Personally I would not possess a weapon that had its serial number removed. Now if you make your own weapons from 80% lowers they will not have any numbers on them. You can put a number if you want. So, 5000 firearms is no problem for me. Filed off serial numbers is kind of fishy.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2017 8:30 AM

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My only concern is how badly they were stored. You should keep your immediate self defense weapons readily accessible and have your others in a secure safe or at least on an orderly rack. It's bad maintenance and security practice to do otherwise.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2017 9:15 AM

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I've talked to people before that want to stockpile weapons for WWIII or whatever. My response is always "Why?''. Unless you're planning on starting an army of your own, you can only shoot one gun accurately at a time so what's the point in having 100 rifles? I suppose they could be used as currency or something but still... And while personally I think this is overboard I don't think he should be pestered about it. If it's not illegal then it's not illegal. If it is, it is. I'd be more concerned if he lived on a compound with an "army in the making". But even then, someone like that is probably after the government (if anybody). And if that's the case he will be quickly and efficiently dealt with. Chances are it's just good ol fashioned paranoia.

Response by MSgt George Cater made Jun 22 at 2017 9:17 AM

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Legal possession does not in the least imply intent to harm, create havoc or break the law. Guns are tools, same as cars, knives & explosives. How they are used and with what intent is the problem. And we all know in our heart of hearts that "reasonable limits" on morally and constitutionally protected rights is a VERY slippery slope, as evidenced by CA, NYC, Chicago & NJ.
Legal, responsible Americans are NOT the problem.
(Pretty good thought question guaranteed to get many responses though.)

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Jun 22 at 2017 11:19 AM

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If they were legally purchased who cares if he has one or a million, it's his money. No one cares about the guy who collects pocket knives, stamps or coins.

Response by SPC Don Wynn made Jun 22 at 2017 11:41 AM

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Given that many were reported as stolen and had serial numbers removed/filed off and then other 'substances' found, this was clearly an illegal operation.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Jun 22 at 2017 12:33 PM

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He was holding them for friends... (hey, it works for dope dealers)

Response by MSgt Stephen Council made Jun 22 at 2017 2:20 PM

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CPT Jack Durish Well, there are a few issues here.
One, is that just owning any quantity of guns is not the litmus test for criminal behavior.
Two, why is the European news agency Reuters attempting to shape our 2nd amendment discussion? Three, why exactly did they enter his property? Was there a search warrant or a crime committed? Fourth, did he steal some guns? Did he knowingly purchase stolen guns? Or did he buy them with no knowledge of their stolen status?
So, there are a lot of unanswered questions here.

Response by SPC Douglas Bolton made Jun 22 at 2017 4:32 PM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs It depends on what he had in mind for all those weapons. I have a friend who is a collector, but has only about 30 weapons he has lock in a weapon safe. 5,000 is a little too much I would say.

Response by SGT Peter Hayes made Jun 22 at 2017 5:19 PM

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I know a lot of people that have large numbers of fire arms and they are good people and law abiding citizens I see no problem with having large amounts of fire arms unless you can't own a fire arm or you have some sort of mental problem.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Jun 22 at 2017 5:56 PM

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Only if he takes one and robs the Kwik-Mart! Otherwise he's a collector!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2017 7:20 PM

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"Sinister stockpile". Ah media, your bias is showing.
What I found noteworthy was that a high percentage of this cache was stolen, which begs the question of why local police weren't more aggressively investigating all of these gun thefts. It wasn't the answer this time, but in most cases of a rash of gun thefts, gangs or drugs (or both) would likely be involved.

Response by A1C Mathew Wood made Jun 22 at 2017 11:49 PM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs If he was an influential person and had a following of 4,999 people then it would be a concern.

Response by LTJG Richard Bruce made Jun 23 at 2017 12:34 AM

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As a curtesy he should inform the local police of his collection. There is a security concern for the community. No different that if he had 5k gold bars, or 5k valuable art pieces, or 5k valuable gems. He becomes a target. No mention of how much ammunition he has. Fire Dept should know if explosives are in his house in large quantities.

Response by SFC Dennis A. made Jun 23 at 2017 8:23 AM

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I'd say no. some of the people that I wonder and worry about don't have any guns.

Response by 1LT Jose Vazquez made Jun 23 at 2017 9:02 AM

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Not at all, more power to him. Thank God for the 2nd amendment!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2017 9:45 AM

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What difference does it make how many guns one owns? One or 5000 - can only shoot one, possibly two, at a time. Is Jay Leno more likely to have a DUI or run over someone or use a vehicle for a terrorist act because he owns 286 vehicles?

This man isn't charged with owning some arbitrary "too many guns". He's charged with multiple counts of possession of stolen property and is being investigated for possibly being involved in gun-running.

I think the number of guns one owns is a bogus issue. What one does with the guns or intends to do with the guns one owns is the only thing that should be at issue ... and then only if it can be shown that the intended use or use is illegal. THAT then is the crime ... not the number of guns.

Response by Sgt Diane Jankowski made Jun 23 at 2017 10:21 AM

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If the arms acquired legally I'd say he's a collector. When we start putting limits on rights, we run the risk of others changing the limits to fit their political feelings.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Jun 23 at 2017 10:21 AM

2017-06-23T10:21:54-04:00

His lack of security or safe storage is concerning. If I were the police I would wonder how many had walked off.

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Jun 23 at 2017 10:58 AM

2017-06-23T10:58:22-04:00

Did he illegally acquire these weapons? Is he involved in legally dealing weapons? Is he involved in any other illegal activities that benefit by his having amassed this awesome collection of firepower? If the answer to all of these questions is no, then I don't think that his hobbies are any of our freaking business.

Response by MSgt Jim Bain made Jun 23 at 2017 12:02 PM

2017-06-23T12:02:23-04:00

Wonder if the FBI, (or other gov't agencies) know about this! This is NOT a collector, but a very disturbed human being. I think there is a touch of paranoia brewing under that roof!
Me, I got two, either one will stop what I have to stop! During WW2, I believe it was Yamamoto that said, Japan could never invade the United States, EVERYONE has a gun, we wouldn't have a chance!

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Jun 23 at 2017 1:24 PM

2017-06-23T13:24:26-04:00

I just got my 15th electric guitar. Funny, no matter how many I have, they don't play themselves... Tho I'm sure that technology is coming soon. After all, my friend's guitar has a built-in tuner and it tunes itself.

Response by SFC Charles Temm made Jun 23 at 2017 1:36 PM

2017-06-23T13:36:46-04:00

no.

Only sinister if you believe he was going to start up a war for some reason and of course if you think along the lines of the editor that this is another reason to make it more difficult to buy firearms.

No story here, the politics in the headline was the actual point of the entire article.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2017 1:49 PM

2017-06-23T13:49:57-04:00

I wonder if he even had ammo for all of them. They said some have proven to be stolen. Maybe he is just one of those that can't drive past a yard (firearms) sale without stopping. Impulse buying maybe. Unless he's a total idiot he likely test-fired and that may have been the only time some were fired. It doesn't concern me though, because there are all sorts of people that hoard things or are impulsive in other ways. If he had 5000 corpses buried in his back yard that would be of concern.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2017 3:00 PM

2017-06-23T15:00:18-04:00

Cars kill people too. Is anyone going to complain when Reggie Jackson collected a whole bunch of cars? Are the social justice Warriors going to say another reason to have gun control? Okay, maybe he's a hoarder? I know a major who just retired from the Army Reserve who has an arsenal of probably 60 to 100 weapons and if he would were to get deployed brought back to active duty because of the being needed from retirement his biggest concern is as where is he going to put all these weapons? Is he wrong to have them to begin with when he is a law-abiding citizen who served in both Iraq and Afghanistan? Is Jerry Brown Governor of California and Barbara Boxer going to say something stupid or will it be Nancy Pelosi?

Response by PO2 David Ball made Jun 23 at 2017 4:52 PM

2017-06-23T16:52:05-04:00

5000 weapons and yet not one single human being was killed.. Not possible. Oh wait, a weapon just sitting somewhere is a weapon waiting to kill! I'm sorry but the Right to keep and bear arms still is a restrictive and declarative clause designed to restrict the powers of government. And an amendment of the original Constiuion. Not just a "right" to be taken away.

Response by TSgt Melissa Post made Jun 23 at 2017 7:22 PM

2017-06-23T19:22:52-04:00

Well although 5000 guns is quite the stockpile, he hasn't hurt anyone and isn't the type to it doesn't sound like. From what little I read it sounds like it is his habit/nature to collect things. I mean isn't that in all humans? Let's look at the opposite gender that is so commonly targeted for similar things. What is it that most females are accused of having a stockpile of? Oh yes, shoes. Granted I haven't met anyone that has 5000 pairs of shoes and shoes can't really kill people, the fact remains that it's a hoarding or collecting habit. Heck just the other day I counted all my nail polish and found I had over 50 different bottles... don't judge me lol, it's to make up for my hatred of shoes haha. It is a bit excessive but hey he has that right. 'MURICA!!! SGM Private RallyPoint Member

Response by MSgt Gerald Orvis made Jun 23 at 2017 8:47 PM

2017-06-23T20:47:47-04:00

This story was posted 1-1/2 years ago, but I'll give my 2 cents worth. I presume the legalities of the matter have been settled by now (June 2017) and the guy is doing time for having stolen firearms or he got off the hook and got his guns back. The meat of the matter is whether there should be a limit on how many guns (or other things) we can own. I say no. In the case of guns, I have the constitutional right to own as many as I want and can afford (and have storage space for). Who is there that has the right to tell me what I can and cannot have? As for Reuters (a British news service) presuming to comment on the legality or morality of American gun rights, they have nothing to say that I consider credible. Even lefty-liberal U.S. newspapers (like the Washington Post, aka WaPo, aka Pravda on the Potomac) will spin something like this up using emotional words like "arsenal" and casting horrified allusions on the morality of somebody being "allowed" to own so many guns. I wonder what they'd say if they knew about my gun collection, gathered over almost sixty years (since I was 12), and not counting the ones I've sold over the years. It would be an OMG moment for these snowflakes, for sure! Oh, and that doesn't count the swords and knives I own, either...

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jun 24 at 2017 10:58 AM

2017-06-24T10:58:12-04:00

No, Well yes, it does not like they are properly stored and maintained.

Response by CPL Bobby McKellar made Jun 29 at 2017 3:25 PM

2017-06-29T15:25:55-04:00

Who gets to decide what is "a little too much"? And what is the "acceptable limit"? If we apply it to firearms then what's to stop the same rule from being applied to anything and everything else? I don't think it is ANYBODY'S business how many of anything that anybody has. Now, in this dude's case apparently he had a bunch of stolen firearms, so obviously there were some issues.
Again, the suggestion that a certain number of anything is "maybe too much" puts us on a slippery slope...it is dangerous to start thinking that our Constitutional rights should have some sort of imposed limits. The man had 5k firearms, but he could only use one possibly two at a time, so the number of firearms he had didn't make him any more dangerous than a man who had 50, 100 or just 10. How many cars should a person own before he has "too many"? Every year in the US, vehicles are responsible for the deaths of FAR more people than actual "gun violence". And what is "gun violence" anyway? We don't call stabbings "knife violence" or people bludgeoned to death "hammer/baseball bat/brick violence".
In all honesty, the number of firearms a person possesses or owns doesn't mean ANYTHING except to those who have misgivings, fear or personal feelings against them. Again, once you start saying "I think 'X' is too many", you're opening the door for government to use that against ANYTHING deemed dangerous, etc. Can't you hear it now... "this person has too much' money", "too much land", "too many businesses"....and "I think something should be done because it makes me uneasy..."
THAT, to me, is MUCH more frightening than a man having 5,000 guns.

Response by GySgt Charles O'Connell made Jun 29 at 2017 3:42 PM

2017-06-29T15:42:03-04:00

I would be concerned about the intentions of an individual that amasses that amount of weaponry. In the context of the time frame it was written, I don't believe that the authors of the constitution believed that the second ammendment would be misconstrued to mean private ownership of almost any type of weapon.

Response by SPC Tom Benaway made Jun 29 at 2017 4:02 PM

2017-06-29T16:02:54-04:00

As long as their legal he can only shoot one at a time.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Jun 29 at 2017 8:55 PM

2017-06-29T20:55:00-04:00

Sp4 Byron Skinner Depends a lot on what state the gentleman resides in. There is nothing in the Second Amendment that say how many fire arms somebody might ow. Because this quay had excess amounts of other things and seemed not to involved in any zoning laws I really don't see any thing unusual here. Just looking at what is in the picture I don't see any effort to be building an arsenal of Military "type" weapons. The weapons from interpreting the text are secured in a windless room, I assume the room has a locking door, to me that is responsible storage. Also I don't see any ammunition or reloading equipment or supplies, that is being a responsible fire arms owner. In regard to the weapons that were found to be stolen, while buying stolen merchandise is a criminal activity, I'm making the assumption the guy didn't steal them himself. it would seem from the story this guy didn't have a clue and I would think that the burden of proof would be did he intentionally buy stolen goods. In 21st. Century it is becoming a crime to be different. I don't know the story of the guy, it is quite possible that there is a metal health issue here but thats only an assumption.

Response by SPC Alejandro Martinez made Jun 30 at 2017 7:05 AM

2017-06-30T07:05:31-04:00

Without reading the article, my only point to discuss is the stockpile of weapons. I think we should be aware. THAT is the extent of my concern.

Response by SSG Waldo Yamada made Jul 1 at 2017 2:33 PM

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Judging by how it looks and unkempt. The person definitely has problems. If i'd carry; and believe me I support the 2nd Amendment, there should be a safe and locked up and kept clean also. Having an arsenal and just using it as a leaning post doesn't make you a connoisseur of firearms', just makes you look cynical. I don't just have a fire arm with no purpose. Once you have a firearm, you are liable to it at all cost. If it get stolen then you are responsible and the person that stole it too. Unsecured fire arms and hoarding it too can lead to robbery and opportunity for bad people to acquire it and use it for whatever they do. Fire arm's are lethal, yet the person using it is the one responsible. Limiting firearms to the civilian's is not the reason I'm getting at. What I'm trying to say is be responsible if you are going to own a firearm. Get trained and drill with it so that you stay cautious while you travel.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2017 8:58 AM

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I see no issues with this. People who love guns and collect them tend to have a large amount over time. They may not shoot them all the time or ever really, but they like them and like to be able to say they have them. I know when my uncle passed away last year he had 45 (small amount in comparison) and they were to be divided between some of the decedents. People collect guns. No one thinks it's crazy for someone to have books upon books full of stamps, coins, baseball cards and things of that nature so why should it be any different if it is a larger item that carries a sometimes negative stigma?

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Sep 13 at 2017 10:10 AM

2017-09-13T10:10:56-04:00

This couple have amassed hundreds of kinetic missiles https://tinyurl.com/y79fmajt as seen used in recent terrorist attacks, how many kinetic missiles in privet hands is too many?
What about the children?
We need common sense kinetic missile control and close the kinetic missile show loophole

Oh wait, thats just silly.... as is any legislation restricting a collector of knives, firearms, tea pots

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Response by SSG Diane R. made Sep 13 at 2017 12:45 PM

2017-09-13T12:45:59-04:00

In New Hampshire, we call that a gun collection.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2017 4:46 PM

2017-09-13T16:46:44-04:00

I believe the number of weapons might have been a little, well, excessive. However, merely owning a large collection is not and should not be illegal. Had he been an active member of a group such as KKK, BLM, or other group of extremists, I might respond differently. I know a fellow who has a fairly large collection of firearms. He INVESTS in them and describes this investment as his "retirement" fund. No, NOT me.....I only have four pistols & a shotgun.

Response by CW2 Stephen Pate made Sep 14 at 2017 1:30 AM

2017-09-14T01:30:30-04:00

This reminds me of the first E-7 I worked for. He picked me up from reception. He opened the door to his extended cab F150, flipped his seat forward and said "get in, and if you step on any of those I will shoot you with all of them!". The entire floorboard was covered with rifles and various other guns. My feet hovered the entire way to the motorpool. The one time I went to his house, every corner had some leaning against it, there were pistols in the freezer and under the couch cushions, it was nuts.
My favorite was his potato gun. He lived in the woods and some officer lived a few acres away in the same woods. We'd shoot the potato gun in that general direction until he'd call screaming at us. Good times.

Response by AN Christopher Crayne made Sep 14 at 2017 11:19 AM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs The video was informative. From watching it I was able to see a different angle on the possible purpose of the mans collection. At least from the authorities perspective. They are saying it may be a waypoint for the "Steel pipeline. " The Steel pipeline being a route that guns, whether stolen or not, are transported ultimately to a destination from which they are sold for any purpose or use. Most always illegally. They had arrested the man and his wife for possessing stolen property when many of the guns in their possession were found to be stolen, many had no identifiable information on them on which to track down its history and ownership. Apparently he was arrested prior for similar charges. I gleaned from all of the information provided during the video that the authorities are leaning towards the idea that the man was selling the guns through the pipeline. That is to be determined.
As for the number of guns that he had, and the reason for them does raise many questions, I think if he had obtained them legally and possessed the proper legal documents,licenses, etc. I would not have any big issues or concerns with his collecting them. I myself personally have to question the reasoning of anyone who amasses the kind of stockpile he did. Unless you're opening a gun store why do you need that kind of collection period. Then again he is a hoarder. Either way you can only fire one weapon at a time, possibly two if your proficient. So unless he has a hidden army hiding in the bushes to use all 5,000ish guns he had, 4,998 of them are useless in a mass shooting, or lone wolf shooter incident. My opinion as always. Have a great day everyone!

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Sep 14 at 2017 2:20 PM

2017-09-14T14:20:32-04:00

Well, the quote mentions that many were stolen. This indicates to me that it's not too easy to amass that many weapons legally. This is the thing, a single rifle for one person is as destructive as 1000 in the hands of one man. There is absolutely no way he could operate all those firearms himself. I would bet money that this guy was an arms dealer. He probably sells weapons to criminals and no amount of laws will keep people like this from selling guns to bad guys. There is way too much money to be made in the black market.

Response by PVT Ryan P. Quirk made Sep 14 at 2017 4:34 PM

2017-09-14T16:34:55-04:00

I am Pro 2nd Amendment. Collect as many firearms are you like. There is no limit to how many you can own. It is based upon your likes and money to spend. To think someone else has the right or authority to tell you can own only a specific amount is down right Stupid. If I won the Lottery.. I would have lots and lots. Enough to start my own personal museum :).

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Sep 14 at 2017 11:41 PM

2017-09-14T23:41:01-04:00

Sounds like the man was a compulsive pack rat. I would be interested if any were illegally obtained, if there was some other motive for amassing such a huge volume, etc. But on the surface, I'm not overly concerned by the amount of guns, guys like that are usually impulsive, but not dangerous.

Face it, the bad guys who want to do bad things, especially the well funded really bad guys will never have an issue getting whatever weapons they want. Or improvising the weapons we want as we have sadly discovered too many times before.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2017 11:44 PM

2017-09-14T23:44:43-04:00

never too much hooah

Response by SSG David Andrews made Sep 15 at 2017 1:37 PM

2017-09-15T13:37:44-04:00

No!

Response by SFC Don Ward made Sep 20 at 2017 3:44 PM

2017-09-20T15:44:04-04:00

Why should it bother you? And how are guns "sinister"? That's what is known as "baiting" language, trying to give an inanimate object animate appearances to scare the sheeple.

Response by MSG John Wirts made Jan 4 at 2018 9:14 PM

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Interesting to note that Chicago, ruled by Democrats for the last 100 years, with the Democrats dream ANTI-GUN LAWS in place, has the highest gun crime rate in the U.S.. Most mass shootings take place in "gun free zones" My suggestion is any area with anti-gun laws or private "gun free zones", should have the name(s) of the party(ies) responsible for establishing the gun free zone listed on all the Gun free Zone signage, if any one is injured or killed in their "gun free zone" the party(ies) responsible for establishing said zone ought to be tried as accomplices to the crimes committed in their zone, accessory to murder. maiming, injuring, as well as being held civilally accountable for for any injuries, maiming, paralysis, or death. The same should apply to politicians banning guns. In all cases the person(s) responsible must be the current person responsible for maintaining the gun restrictions, any retired responsible person must be removed from the list and the current person must acknowledge his/her responsibility for maintaining the gun free zone/ anti-gun laws. Also anyone establishing gun free zones, or introducing, supporting or voting for anti-gun legislation must be fully under their law, no exceptions from any provision of their law or zone.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2018 11:29 PM

2018-01-21T23:29:29-05:00

Colonel In my professional opinion he could only handle one weapon at a time. Talk about a man’s concern for his safety. Boy way out there in the Boondocks.

Response by CPL Dave Hoover made Jan 22 at 2018 5:58 AM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs What constitutes overboard, over 900 have voted, all may defer on the number. I may want to have 30 because there are 30 I like, I'm not a felon so it's nobody else's business. Okay, that deals with what's overboard. Why would someone have that many guns, I think he's counting on the second amendment being infringed upon and he can sell them for 4 or 5 times what they're worth now. Kill Gun Control, kill this. I think there are a lot more people like this out there, counting on making big money.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jan 22 at 2018 11:20 AM

2018-01-22T11:20:02-05:00

It's a little scary, but legal, tho it really worries me to see how they are stored and wondering what security measure are in place for them. It's a slippery slope, playing with the Constitution.

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Jan 22 at 2018 12:45 PM

2018-01-22T12:45:08-05:00

Truthfully, I don't see him as a risk. Those who accumulate weapons with the intention of doing harm to others tend to collect a small number that can do significant damage. And if we are going to judge by how much damage can be done, do we outlaw tractor trailers and other large vehicles because they have been used by those wishing to harm others?

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Jan 22 at 2018 1:00 PM

2018-01-22T13:00:15-05:00

Quantity of firearms really meaningless, you can only shoot one at a time. This man, while perhaps a bit eccentric, is most likely a true collector, or at least a hoarder, of firearms. Perhaps I watch American Pickers too much, but the meer fact that someone has a huge cash of firearms, or anything else, does not make a threat to society in its own right.

Response by MSgt George Cater made Jan 22 at 2018 1:40 PM

2018-01-22T13:40:27-05:00

Just occurred to me that Jay Leno should have his vast car collection called confiscated since if they fell into terrorist hands, these tools could leave easily be misused as we have seen with wrongdoers running down innocent people on city streets.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jan 22 at 2018 2:38 PM

2018-01-22T14:38:37-05:00

Well the Maintenance Chief in me hates the mess and his poor storage habits. That said, why not? What action or legal instrument has he violated?

Response by SGT Joey Landry made Feb 15 at 2018 6:27 PM

2018-02-15T18:27:46-05:00

I believe in the second amendment too and because I do, I believe that the founding fathers didn’t think the government had the right to limit your quantity of guns. As others have said, this guys 5000 Guns were safer than a lot of thugs one gun.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Feb 15 at 2018 9:31 PM

2018-02-15T21:31:23-05:00

Remember - he can only fire one at a time.

Response by Capt Ray S. O. made Feb 16 at 2018 1:35 AM

2018-02-16T01:35:58-05:00

Is he hurting anyone? The right to own private property and well as guns is pretty much an American Right. Have you ever seen pictures of the gun collection Charleton Heston had? Are only the rich and famous allowed to do that? Then we are right back to Aristocracy, dear peasnat Pard!

Response by Terry M made Feb 17 at 2018 3:48 PM

2018-02-17T15:48:50-05:00

Some people collect watches, some guitars, some cars, some even wives! This dude collects guns... Has he killed anyone?

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Feb 19 at 2018 2:42 PM

2018-02-19T14:42:22-05:00

Be concerned about the person who has a firearm not the number they have.

Response by SPC David Willis made Feb 19 at 2018 2:53 PM

2018-02-19T14:53:13-05:00

If they were all ever used at the same time it wouldn't be considered a mass shooting it would have to be considered an invasion or an insurrection haha.

Response by SFC George Sease made Feb 19 at 2018 4:46 PM

2018-02-19T16:46:29-05:00

If the weapons were stolen, doesn’t that drop you a hint? Hey having that many to me sorta proves that a overwhelming majority are going to come back stolen. If that is the case SINCE WHEN DID CRIMINALS CARE ABOUT THE LAW? It is against the law everywhere in the US that you cannot have the possession of stolen property.

Response by PO2 Christopher Foss made Feb 21 at 2018 7:58 AM

2018-02-21T07:58:00-05:00

The largest death tolls in the history of the United States used no guns for the killings. Gun Violence is an euphemism for Gun Control which is in itself a euphemism for Gun Restrictions. To solve the problem of violent response in our society, you must address the causes that trigger that response.

We have so many problems that people see no resolution to other than a resort to violence:

The student who is abused by not only her fellow students, but by the system that is supposed to protect them from that abuse in the first place.

The person who sees no way out from their financial circumstances or their marriage or...

The person that hasn't got enough money to care for their family.

Violent response, be it shootings, stabbings, explosives or rape, all stems from some other cause. Solve that cause and you will remove the violent response. Removing the tool will only change the nature of the response, it will not solve the problem.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2018 9:52 AM

2018-02-21T09:52:25-05:00

No. The fact that he has 5000 of them and not one of the guns has killed anyone speaks volumes. Its the person behind the firearm that does the killing.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2018 10:29 AM

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Response by SSgt John Hutto made Feb 23 at 2018 9:04 PM

2018-02-23T21:04:02-05:00

no, i dont think we should be concerned. now if he had 5,000 homemade bombs laying around, then we might have an issue. i dont claim to be the brightest crayon in the box, but last time i checked guns dont shoot themselves. so if he has that many guns, so what. like a gentleman on here said, you can only shoot one at a time.

Response by PFC Nick Rapoport made Feb 24 at 2018 1:28 AM

2018-02-24T01:28:36-05:00

My comment is simple. Did he maintain them? We're the weapons clean? On a serious side he was just a hoarder. Nothing to do with the second ammendment. This is what keeping me from getting too many guns. I would have to keep them maintained. Or face the wrath of ghosts of drill sargeants past.

Response by PO2 Richard C. made Feb 26 at 2018 2:49 PM

2018-02-26T14:49:25-05:00

Personally I believe the man is a compulsive hoarder and realistically has little control over his behavior. It is not an uncommon disorder and can manifest itself in all sorts of ways. Some people hoard everything and some get fixated on only one or two objects. They don't particularly care about anything except having whatever their obsession dictated to them. If you haven't watched the TV show"Hoarders", try it. You will get a real sense of the problem many of these people have and cannot control. It's been 45 years since I was an active mental health counselor, but that's where I'd lay my bet. And I might be wrong - he might just be a total wingnut, but I don't think so. Sad part is even if he really is uncontrollably compulsive, he will probably be treated like a criminal because his fixation is guns.

Response by SPC Kelly Cobean made Feb 27 at 2018 12:19 PM

2018-02-27T12:19:10-05:00

The stolen guns are a problem if he was the thief. Beyond that, it's property and I'm not concerned how many he owned as long as he remains a peaceful, law-abiding citizen.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Feb 27 at 2018 1:32 PM

2018-02-27T13:32:04-05:00

As long as he is not doing anything Illegal Not a problem no worse than collecting hammers and hachets. I have a friend that collects hammers and hatchets

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2018 7:23 PM

2018-02-27T19:23:46-05:00

"Six weeks after the discovery, officers are still cataloging the weapons, *many of which have proved stolen,* and the final tally is expected to be close to 5,000." Well, therein lies *one* problem: the whole "stolen guns" thing.

Response by PO2 Ef Young made Mar 3 at 2018 3:23 PM

2018-03-03T15:23:55-05:00

Don’5 see what the ruckes is about. Any thing to show he has ever used. My of these weapons to commit a crime. Article says some of the gun were stolen. Can they prove that he was the thief or did he purchase them from another party without knowing the guns provenance? Seize those those that have been proven to be stolen and prosecute him if they can prove him a thief. If no charges arise give him back the weapons that are legal. Don’t know if anything on the books that limits the number of guns you can have. If there is something on the books amend it to include shoes and purses. Then I can turn my wife in.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2018 3:38 PM

2018-03-03T15:38:05-05:00

On the flip side, theres people out there that, if you own one gun, they don't want you to have 5000 rounds of ammo.

Response by Maj John Bell made Mar 3 at 2018 7:10 PM

2018-03-03T19:10:01-05:00

If he is intent on doing harm, how many can he effectivel carry/employ? For sake of argument, let's say between handguns and long arms that number is two dozen. Do the other 4,976 or so weapons represent an increase in danger to society? If so how? Or do they just become an oddity?

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Mar 3 at 2018 9:19 PM

2018-03-03T21:19:42-05:00

COL, my thoughts on this are pretty simple. If you are a hoarder you are a hoarder, the condition and redness of the aforementioned are most likely no in fighting shape. However, there is the issue of security and that is pretty serious.

Now to the root of the discussion, as I see it is not really about whether you have 1 or 5000 guns I think the issue is, are we the population doing what is right to keep our citizens safe. I think I am going to tick off people on both sides of the fence with this so hang on. I have no issue in owning a semiautomatic rifle, or pistol, I like guns. I have a few guns, and I am pretty familiar with them. The other side of that is I feel strongly not everyone needs a gun. I dont care if it is a bb gun or pellet rifle some folks dont need a gun. If you have been convicted of a felony you have already lost the legal right to own or possess a firearm, it just needs to be enforced. If you are a person who's doctors have said you are mentally unstable and possibly violent, no guns for you. This is a conversation I would love to have with most people but fair warning I am pretty set in my ways, and I am pretty sure I am correct.

Response by LTC Greg Henning made Mar 4 at 2018 8:29 AM

2018-03-04T08:29:06-05:00

COL Mikel J. Burroughs Some people collect stamps. This guy collect guns. I have friends who have 1,000's of coins in their collections. There is no law for the amount of guns a people can own. I would be worried about someone coming in and stealing them from this guy, but they need to think twice or 5,000 times!

Response by Susan Foster made Mar 4 at 2018 9:19 AM

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Unlike everyone else on here, if this was my neighbor I'd be worried about him. But I guess as long as they are all in his house, he's probably the same as any other hoarder. I've known some, and they are mostly very much loners.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 4 at 2018 3:34 PM

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Were they "assault rifles", were they loaded, did he present a danger to self or others? Little old ladies collect cats this guy collected everything else

Response by TSgt Greg Natsch made Mar 8 at 2018 8:48 AM

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I’m more concerned with the use of the word “sinister” in the article. Rather subjective

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Mar 11 at 2018 3:48 PM

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A "sinister stockpile"? Are you guys freaking serious? Why and what is sinister about the collection? I saw a Ruger 10-22 and the author is calling that SINISTER? This kind of liberal bullcrap is what is propagandizing the public against gun owners! Straighten up dude and write the kind of article that doesn't portray firearms owners as the bad guys!

Response by SFC Rich Gomez made Mar 20 at 2018 9:54 AM

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Well, how many people knew about this idiocy before, just a few? Now that it has been made public let us see how long before some of the crap ends up on the streets. Another school shooting in Maryland today and no public outrage, what is wrong with you 2nd Amndt. people that you can't square there is a difference between your boogy men and public safety especially our childrens safety and your overall responsibility to ensure that your weapons are kept out of unsafe hands.

Response by Robert Leviton made Mar 21 at 2018 9:29 PM

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The problem is apparently most of them are stolen! He's a criminal! He shouldn't have a cap gun!

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Mar 23 at 2018 10:13 AM

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Sinister stockpile????

Response by Cpl Joseph Diniz made Mar 23 at 2018 5:20 PM

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DID H E SHOOT ANYONE ? NO !!!

Response by SSgt Pat Elko made Mar 24 at 2018 11:10 AM

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How is this a Rally Point topic? It has nothing to do with the military.

Response by CPT Earl George made Mar 25 at 2018 7:46 PM

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check closely how they were being kept. Many of them in the picture were in a sad state. Rust? One could easy fall over and damage another. A true gun collector takes better care of his /her collection. I would put this gentleman in the " oddball" category.

Response by PO1 Richard Nyberg made Mar 25 at 2018 8:18 PM

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Yea I would be worried too, that's way to many.

Response by MSgt Walter Clack made Mar 26 at 2018 8:28 AM

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Possession of stolen weapons, possession of stolen equipment, possession of illegal drugs (opiates), and bogus licence plates. Yeap, sounds like a criminal to me.

Hummm, what do criminals do with weapons???

Response by SSgt Bruce Probert made Mar 26 at 2018 1:10 PM

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Exercising your right's never had anything to do about justification or need. Your free speech ends at the point you or anyone incites infringement of my rights. When my life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is directly threatened it is my right under the constitution to respond in my defense, with force up to and including deadly force.

Response by CPT Don Kemp made Mar 26 at 2018 9:36 PM

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I’d be more concerned about his ability to acquire 5,000 stolen items of anything without police attention. The one thing that has been brought to the surface time and again (Florida nightclub shooter, Boston bombers, Florida school shooter, Las Vegas hotel shooter) is the abundant evidence in plain sight with no law enforcement oversight.
Much more concerned about that than someone acquiring 5,000 guns legally.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Mar 26 at 2018 11:27 PM

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*No comment!*

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2018 12:52 PM

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No. That he has that number is foolish, and worthy of eye-rolling, but not concern. The same basic sentiment stated in the movie The Peacemaker applies here: "I'm not afraid of the man who wants ten nuclear weapons, Colonel. I'm terrified of the man who only wants one."

But if he starts giving them away en masse, or starts giving them away in a manner that suggests he's attempting to arm only certain individuals or types of individuals, then that's a serious concern.

Response by CPL Joseph Montgonery made Apr 6 at 2018 2:52 AM

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Should we be worried he has so many guns? No! Should we worry he has so many STOLEN GUNS? DEFINITELY!!! The fact that allot of these gun we're apparently stolen, I would say that is a problem. I'm more worried that they were stolen than the fact that he had them. They didn't kill anyone note did they attack anyone by themselves. One person having so many guns isn't a problem. I mean he's only got two hands so what does it matter? Granted I think it'd be a bit excessive to have that many but there's really no reason he can't if he hasn't done anything wrong. Now granted, he's at the very least guilty of receiving stolen property but that is an entirely different issue. Here the guns themselves are at issue and on the surface it looks as if he was law abiding, well on the surface anyway. The receiving stolen property is a crime but not the mere possession of that many guns.

Response by PO2 Russell Adams Jr made Apr 6 at 2018 8:40 AM

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Gun violence in US is blamed on the wrong crowd

Response by PO2 John Kilcoyne made Apr 15 at 2018 8:16 PM

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I always love the argument that guns don’t kill people, people do. It serves to make me ignore every progun person that uses it . It’s a great quip but means nothing and only the most ignorant believe that’s an answer to anything. If there wasn’t a gun there wouldn’t be anyone shot and until people get real this debate will go on ad nausea U.N. while people still get killed, mass shootings still will happen and people that don’t deserve to die do. Isn’t that the real debate, how do we stop these killings. The rest is posturing and useless.

Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made Apr 15 at 2018 9:05 PM

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If the guns had been legally obtained and were not stolen as the article indicates many were, then I would not see a problem with his collection. However, it would appear that this gentleman is anything but a law abiding citizen and that is definitely cause for alarm. For the multiple counts of receiving stolen property and fictitious registration on his motor vehicle it leads one to question if he was the one stealing the guns, bows, chainsaws and trophies or just the local fence for stolen property.

Response by SPC Tony Means made Apr 15 at 2018 11:58 PM

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The article says that they went in past rusted cars and car parts and behind a windowless front door making it sound like oh redneck hellhole but the video showed and fairly nice house the clean front yard. Do I smell fish?!?

Response by AN Donald Miller made Apr 19 at 2018 12:02 AM

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What everyone should be concerned about is why are there those whom want to take away our right to bare arms.

Response by PO1 Richard Borowski made Apr 20 at 2018 3:17 PM

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Not enough info! Were they in shootable condition, did he have ammo, has he ever been convicted of a felony? I think that I'd need a whole lot more info to make a reasonable response to this.

Response by SGT William Bowers made Apr 20 at 2018 11:11 PM

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I don't care what you have, as long as it doesn't interfere with someone else's rights. I care what you do with it. Firearms are no exception.

Response by CPT Wes Marsh made Apr 21 at 2018 4:51 PM

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Are you equally concerned about Jay Leno collecting more cars than he can drive?

Response by PFC Scott Hicks made Apr 22 at 2018 2:26 PM

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The number of firearms an individual owns is inconsequential. A single man with 5000 guns is only one pair of hands. However a mob with rocks can be far more dangerous to society which has been proven across this country. A collection of guns is no different than a collection of coke memorabilia or beanie babies. While in theory this collection could defend a city, you would need the bodies and ammunition to use them all. The stolen guns are my only issue. I hate theives. But if I could afford 5000 guns I should be able to purchase them at my will. 1 Man with Intent unarmed is far more dangerous than 1 man with no intent and 5000 guns.

Response by SSG David Chastain made Apr 23 at 2018 6:12 PM

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As a retired State Police Incestigator I know it not guns or the kind of guns people have. It’s not punishing bad guys who misuse firearms. They should make committing a violent felony with a firearm punishable by life in prison without parole. I’ve seen legally armed citizens do a lot of good.

Response by Michelle Dickerson made Apr 26 at 2018 12:46 PM

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I'd say it depends on what kinds of firearms he has - and the state of his mental health. I'm certainly not 'anti-gun,' (I have one myself) but if he has assault-type guns then I do have a problem with that. There's no real reason for a civilian to own those. (Side note: I just read the Reuters article and he does sound like a criminal to me - drugs, bogus license plates, etc., etc. For me, it's a problem for him to have a katrillion guns - maybe any.)

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Apr 26 at 2018 12:56 PM

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Maybe he has purchased them as an investment and its nothing more than that?

Response by CSM Csm Jones made Apr 26 at 2018 9:54 PM

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look gun nut. maybe your love for gun's is blocking your clear view of fire, and you only want to see your view, by repeating the same quotes that so many have said before you. Look I like guns, and I think that every family should have a gun, locked up, not carrying around on his or her side, but locked up from our kids and any other nut that has one. My point is there are other views and they have worked in other countries very well, wile our mortality rate from gun fire goes up, we yell about an amended right to keep states quo. I say to you sir rethink about calling yourself a gun nut because I may need to take your gun, you may be close to firing out of range.

Response by Cpl Tyler Therrien made Apr 29 at 2018 3:23 PM

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"sinister stockpile"? What business is it of anyone WHAT a man owns as long as he is law abiding? Do people need stock piles of stamps or coins or beenie babies? This reporter needs to realize that without the 2nd amendment there likely would not be a 1st!
I see shows that feature people with vast collections of cars, or farm tractors and no one calls them "sinister", though I dare say more people die in cars every year than from gunshots. And so what if his front door has no windows, either does mine- my home faces west and a light in my door would be one more way for the afternoon sun to beat into my home in Missouri summers. Reuters may not consider themselves "yellow journalists" but in times past this persons thoughts would not even be worthy of hanging on the nail in the outhouse!

Response by SPC Herb Jorgensen made Apr 29 at 2018 5:41 PM

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Well the statement of the sheriff as many of this stock pile were stolen pretty much says it all.As former solder it is well obvious that a riffle and side arm are sufficient in most cases as we are trained on how and when to use one.As a 53 year resident of Alabama it's a mute question here.Yet he didn't gun any one down or blow up anyone,but the charges of stolen weapons are the biggest concern.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2018 5:53 PM

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As some others have stated the most you can fire at once is 2 (unless you have 3 or 4 arms) so having 5000 is irrelevant. And the RIGHT to bare arms SHALL NOT be infringed. Which is exactly what these liberal nazi nutjobs are trying to do.

Response by 1SG Marc Jensen made May 6 at 2018 7:11 AM

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No, not relevant, not anyone's business.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made May 7 at 2018 1:31 AM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs Great info. A nut that simply “liked” guns. So what! Guns we can approve of, little children we could not!

Response by Amn Hugo Ficca Jr made May 8 at 2018 1:52 PM

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It is his money why should it concern Me ??? He just likes to collect them. People today are too nosey. It is none of his right to snoop on this mans collection, if he had 5000 baseball cards no one would think any different !!!

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made May 8 at 2018 6:56 PM

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No I am not worried. He can only shoot one at a time.

Response by SGT Joshua Bressel made May 12 at 2018 5:04 AM

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One gun is enough for a crime. I was a scout sniper, and I own dozens of firearms, and work as a gunsmith. Seriously, how many can I carry at once? I was at Virginia Tech, in 2007, when Cho shot up Norris Hall, with TWO handguns(no evil AR-15s). Britain is passing KNIFE BANS, since guns are illegal, so people stab each other. Innanimate objects are not evil. Malicious intent is the only danger. The only problem, with that guy's stockpile, is that, apparently, many of the firearms were stolen. People will ALWAYS find ways to kill other people, with guns, knives, rocks, or their bare hands. Numbers are absolutely irrelevant, and by asking "How many is too many?" You're completely missing the problem.

Response by Cpl Gabriel F. made May 13 at 2018 11:00 PM

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What to buy, what to buy ? This fellow had some extra cash from time to time. His money, his habit.

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made May 13 at 2018 11:05 PM

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Not if they were purchased legally. Next question?

Response by MAJ James Woods made May 18 at 2018 10:42 AM

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A person has the right to own a gun. The question will always be how many and what type? At what point should we ask the community and law enforcement to become suspicious or concerned about an individual stockpiling weapons? It's one thing to say "I'm a collector and all my guns are on display for house guests" versus "I just like to have as many guns as I want". Placing reasonable limits shouldn't be considered an attack on rights.

Response by SPC Randy Torgerson made May 19 at 2018 12:23 PM

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I don't understand the question.... Should we be concerned? We should be concerned because some of them are stolen. We should be concerned because right now, we don't know if bad guys are the collectors. We should be concerned if there are children around or if they were planning something horrible. But otherwise, I'm not concerned.

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made May 23 at 2018 3:57 AM

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I want to own 5,000 motorcycles. Let him have his hobby

Response by LT Pete Majkowski made May 25 at 2018 1:18 PM

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"Beware the man who only has one gun. He probably knows how to use it!"
-Clint Smith

Response by SGM Jeffrey Hall made May 25 at 2018 1:35 PM

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If the man is not judged mentally defective, then there should be no limits on the lawful exercise of a right guaranteed by the Constitution. Placing limits on any right is a slippery slope.

Response by LTC Pete Moore made May 25 at 2018 2:04 PM

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IF he was hording 5000 pizzas, 5000 cigerettes, 5000 knives, 5000 blunt objects, 5000 pieces of rope,.... all are more statistically likely to kill you than firearms. This is before we rule out that most of the reported gun deaths are SUICIDE NOT homicide. FINALLY, owning 1 or 1 million firearms is NOT against the law NOR should it be, unless he is prohibited to do so. MORE people die from traffic accidents or stabbings so.... giving you the benefit of the doubt I don't see what is your logic is. If I look from a more practical point of view, if appears your question is meant to "poison the well", by the way "are you still beating your wife". Say what you mean directly not in a veiled way. The simple and oft ignored truth is that where there is higher gun ownership there is less violent crime, of the violent use of guns most occur in four cities and one state which also have the most arcane restrictive gun laws. If you feel like you need to give up your guns for the safety of others please do so, as for me I will be keeping my guns and I will protect my neighbors, my community, and myself against those that would seek to do them harm. The other ugly ignored truth is a point of physics, the best Police force cannot be everywhere and in most cases the fastest police response time is around nine minutes. I don't plan to give a determined assailant nine minutes to hurt an innocent. If you want peace, prepare for war!

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made May 25 at 2018 3:55 PM

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Is he shooting anybody up with them, or is he just collecting and taking some to the range from time to time? If the former, yes. If the latter, no.

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made May 25 at 2018 5:21 PM

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This happened just a few miles where I live. No one could explain why he had so many guns which were mainly shotguns and hunting rifles. Too many people knew what he was doing. His family has been destroyed and so has his life. It took him over two decades to collect the guns. People here think the raid was political. The term arsenal is subjective which I have read the term used to describe small gun collections of 4 or more rifles and several handguns.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2018 9:34 PM

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Not really. I have an uncle that has a pocket knife collection he started in WW2. Several hundred of them. I know a guy that collects cars, he has twenty of them in a warehouse.

Response by SGT Clifford (Mug) Hall made May 27 at 2018 1:58 PM

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The manner this article is written bothers me much more than than his firearms. The article purposely attempts to paint him as dangerous and as if he is mentally unstable. Statements such as "windowless front door" and "sinister stockpile" serve only the lefts anti gun agenda. The facts are worrisome. I will concede that a stolen firearm can be purchased accidently however the drugs he had on him troubles me. A lifetime collection of firearms does not.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2018 7:15 PM

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Concerned? No. Impressed? Yes.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made May 27 at 2018 7:32 PM

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"Should we concerned about Man’s hoard of nearly 5,000 guns shows ease of amassing arms in U.S.?" Yep...someone who has collected 5,000 weapons is not a gun collector...he's out do to some DAMAGE!!

Response by CPL Glynnda White made May 28 at 2018 3:15 PM

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COL Burroughs, if you have an overabundance of anything should we also consider removing your right to own them all or in part? Most people have too much of many things to actually be of use to them. We can use many of these things to maim and murder, hell a fork can kill someone and so can a woman's spike heeled shoe. Should we then begin to inspect women's closets to make sure they have no more than a reasonable amount of spikes in her closet? What if a family has too many autos? Many more people in the US are killed by autos in any given year than by guns. How about the typical male t-shirt collection of 50-100? It is quite easy to wring up a t-shirt into a throttling device and strangle a woman. It is surprising to me to see you buying into the national gun phobia fad. You use the same argument that libs use "Oh I'm all for the 2nd Amendment but.....we only need so many guns".....that is crock of crap. Why don't we just go ahead restrict the first amendment rights of people and then talk about the 2nd Amendment? How about kicking the ASSES of young punks who burn and step on our flag instead of defending their "right" to free speech? How about kicking in the teeth of mega rich young a-holes who take a knee during the national anthem? How about locking up and throwing away the keys when a bunch of lefties loot and destroy because they don't like someone's viewpoint? They destroy what others take years to build because they are paid to create chaos. Your precedence that he should be denied ownership because he has too many is both un-American and unacceptable. As a COL I would think you have a better knowledge of the Constitution.
Looks to me like this guy was a classic hoarder, just part of his collection was guns. I'm betting most of them were unusable as hoarders generally do not care for the things they hoard....they are overwhelmed by their possessions and have lost the ability to manage them. In such a case the concern is not that this person owns too many guns, but that this person does not have the ability to stop collecting things. There is a psychological disorder associated with the hoarder. I have worked with several two of them being veterans and both had a collection of guns. It is not what they have in their collections but the fact that they feel compelled to collect whether it be guns, cats, trash, books, newspapers, there are estimated to be over 3 million hoarders in the US at this time. We are focused on the guns because the left in this nation find a case like this politically expedient to their damned cause, which we all know is to break this nation down as far and as quickly as they can. We can easily see the weapons here are not properly cared for and therefore very likely not of any use. If a person has a collection of knives, clubs or baseball bats, we don't have the "concern" that he may be part of something "organized" although all can be used to kill and are....many more times every year than guns.....any experienced officer, frankly anyone with a brainstem (yes that says something about libs in my book) could easily see that there is no way these weapons are properly cared for. As a COL of whatever you are a COL of, you have at least had SOME weapons training and must have SOME understanding of the care they need to remain effective. Anti-gun people just want to take this isolated case and make a national controversy out of it for one reason, to further their agenda.....disarm the nation and it will be easier to control the people.....that is socialism 101 for anyone who reads this. If you like a free America sir, you should think about that.....

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2018 11:02 AM

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What is excess? The sultan of Brunei has over 7,000 vehicles. John Malone owns over 2.2 million acres of property in the USA. Mel Bernstein who calls Colorado home has a gun collection with over 3,000 weapons.

What are we really talking about here? weapons, collecting things or what?

Response by CPT Jim Kotva made Jun 4 at 2018 1:32 PM

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My only concern is MANY proved stolen where is the accountability?

Response by SSG Dale London made Jun 5 at 2018 4:55 AM

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The first thing that came to mind was that I'd not be any more worried by this guy's collecting 5,000 guns than I would somebody's collecting 40,000 toy figurines (mint condition, still in the box) or a 5 ton ball of string. What really worries me is the tone taken in the article itself, starting with the first sentence.
The use of socially charged language in the article tells me a lot more about the state of mind person writing it than it does the subject. "...There was no hint of the sinister stockpile hidden behind his windowless front door." Why did the author characterize the guns as "a stockpile?" What makes the hoard "sinister?" And why is the fact that his front door has no windows important? Lots of front doors are windowless and the video shows his house -- a perfectly normal looking house -- bears no resemblance to a bunker or stronghold.
No. What really worries me is that, while this man was being held on totally unrelated charges, the BATF seized his property. His alleged crime was possessing stolen property but he apparently own his "stockpile" legally.
Now, I'll grant that if he were finally convicted of a felony (and that would depend on the value of the putative stolen property), he would need to give up his guns. But at the time they were seized he had no access to them (he was in jail), and he had the presumption of innocence under the law. Furthermore, he owned them legally, and they were not taken (so far as we know) as evidence of a crime.
One final thought: what makes a stockpile of 5,000 guns scary? The guy can only hold and fire one -- maybe two in a pinch -- at the same time.
Is it perhaps simply the fact that he had guns? This event took place under Obama's BATF -- under the same President who authorized "Fast and Furious," who weaponized the IRS against his political opposition, who turned a blind eye to open and flagrant malfeasance by his administration.
This took place during the administration of "Hands up, don't shoot," and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon!"; the same President Obama who, every time there was a nutjob with a gun, he'd take the bully pulpit and shout that we need "reasonable gun control" without ever acknowledging that literally millions of crimes are averted each year by a lawfully armed citizenry. The same president who welcomed "Black Lives Matter" to the white house how many times?
I'll say this: I currently live in a country with extremely strict gun-control laws -- Scotland. The most dangerous weapon I can own without a permit is a steak knife. Seriously, I can't own a BB gun or pellet pistol without a background check! But am I safer? I don't believe I am. The statistics tell me I have a 10% likelihood of being the victim of a crime in any one year. And many of the thugs committing the crimes are significantly better armed than the police. Funny... they don't seem to care about the Firearms Act.
The namby-pamby progressive left wrings their hands over a citizen owning just one gun. Why? Is it perhaps because an armed person is a helluva lot harder to control than an unarmed one? I, for one, believe so. I am convinced that the issue of controlling the masses at least plays a part in this; perhaps a big part and I am not happy where this is going.
Mark my words. If a gun-grab becomes policy there will be blood on the streets of America. I may not be there for it but I can guarantee that Bubba don't play that.

Response by Terry M made Jun 6 at 2018 1:09 AM

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I used to work with a guy who had over 500 guns. He wasn't that good of a shot but I think he just liked the engineering that went into them. Super nice guy. By the way, we were technicians. I think that has something to do with it...

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Jun 8 at 2018 3:26 PM

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Why would you be concerned. He can only fire one at a time. Unless he is selling them to someone who cannot legally own, carry on.

Response by SSgt Scott Ezra made Jun 9 at 2018 12:22 PM

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Wow, this article makes no sense to me. So just because he had 5000 items that were similar it proves how easy it is to amass guns? That's stupid. It may have taken a lot of work over a lifetime getting all of those guns. Plus it says most were stolen meaning they were aquired illegally. I've seen much bigger drug busts concerning a guy that picked all the drugs up that day and was transporting. Its not proof of anything except for the underlying facts.
Unfortunately, when it comes to firearms the people that fear them will always be unreasonable because its an irrational fear. The peiple that want to control the population will always try to get rid of the citizens rights and abilities to protect themselves. The real gun debate is about control and nothing else. Most firearms deaths can be put in one of two categories. Either gang incidents or suicides. After that statistics show you are very unlikely to be killed with a firearm.
Lets pretend he did gather all those weapons easily in a week. How many of them could he use at one time? Its not like you can use all 5000 weapons at any given time. Do people really not understand the 2nd amendment is specifically about war? Its not about hunting or self defense like most schools have been teaching. Just use your brains and some critical thinking. Throw out the emotional arguments based on garbage.

Response by SSgt Paul Mimeault made Jun 9 at 2018 1:05 PM

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How many guns do you have sir? Or cars, or dogs, or children?

I want to make sure you don’t have too many.

How much money do you have Sir? I want to make sure you don’t have too much.

SSgt Mimeault

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Jun 9 at 2018 2:53 PM

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I've already commented here but on reflection I would have been more concerned if the headline had read, "Man Owned 500,000 Weapons But On His Death Police Only Found 5,000!"

Response by PO2 David M Fossum made Jun 12 at 2018 12:55 PM

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The only guns of concern are the stolen ones. Otherwise, it’s his right to own whatever he wants. His money, his property, his tight. Other people hoard all kinds of stuff. No matter . Is nobody else’s
business.

Response by COL William Oseles made Jun 12 at 2018 2:08 PM

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The fact that of the 5,000+ firearms "many of which have proved stolen" takes this out of the 2nd Amendment argument, this was criminal activity. That part is being lost in the story. Something Sheriff Brooks apparently missed for three generations.
And Peter Eisler's bias is readily apparent with his phrase "sinister stockpile" and using it to paint pro-2nd Amendment people with the same brush.

Response by CAPT Rodney Clark made Jun 12 at 2018 3:05 PM

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What makes a gun sinister? Is it the stock color, type or is it only when they are gathered together in large numbers? Things are not sinister, people can be. Things can be for used for good or evil by people. Our founding fathers knew that governments were made up of people and could be sinister. They recognized citizens needed to have available the tools necessary to protect themselves and their families. We are free not the King's subjects or a people relegated to the State's protection.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2018 6:33 PM

2018-06-12T18:33:18-04:00

The only thing that bothers me about his accumulation of guns is that at least some of them were stolen. I don't care how many guns a person owns … as long as they are obtained legally. I'm not a collector of much of anything … but I don't begrudge those that do collect their pleasure in doing so … be it stamps, coins …… or guns. It is not the quantity but the source of these guns that is potentially an issue … and what he does with them. So far, it doesn't appear that they have much on him other than possession of stolen items.

Response by PO3 Michael James made Jun 12 at 2018 7:42 PM

2018-06-12T19:42:39-04:00

COL Burroughs, Sir; Wow.. Please correct me if I am wrong.. but you can only shoot one at a time !! How long would it take to load all of them ?, How long to clean them ? I would think his collection is a bit overboard... and how could one individual afford ($) to own this many ?? I feel a little concerned as to What the ???? Mike

Response by MSgt Darren VanDerwilt made Jun 13 at 2018 11:00 AM

2018-06-13T11:00:09-04:00

The article loses all credibility of objectivism at "sinister stockpile." Beyond that, it's all hyperbole. Nothing more than a bunch of nanny's clutching their pearls.
Fact: Governments, and their monopoly on power, are responsible for causing more harm with weapons than individuals, small groups, or corporations.

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made Jun 19 at 2018 5:41 PM

2018-06-19T17:41:36-04:00

Absolutely not. While I don’t have as many as this guy, I collect military weapons and have quite a few of them. I have a Curio & Relic license issued by the ATF. Everyone of my guns fully function except 1. So I guess if the police raided my home there would be an article about all my weapons. That’s total bullshit.

Response by SGT Paul (Eric) Haines made Jun 26 at 2018 1:53 PM

2018-06-26T13:53:00-04:00

I’ll answer your question with some other questions: Why does everyone (usually people that are anti-gun) ask why someone “needs” so many guns? Or why they ”need” a particular style of gun? I may well ask why does anyone “need” hundreds or thousands of books? Or why does anyone “need” multiple Bibles? It was determined long ago that no one has to prove a need for a Constitutionally protected, God given right. Now, this particular case is NOT a good example of the proper exercise of a right. The man in question evidently had numerous stolen firearms in his “collection”, thereby effectively disqualifieng his right to possess those firearms. I personally know several people that own hundreds of firearms, and a couple that have that big of a collection PLUS dozens of fully functional armored vehicles. Tanks, APC’s, self propelled artillery pieces etc.
All armed with machine guns, and some with fully functional cannons. Do they have to prove a “need” for a tank? Nope. They just have to be legally qualified to purchase said machine guns etc. I would argue that even those qualifications are un-Constitutional, as the intent of the framers has been proven to show that they intended We The People to be armed on an equal footing with the government. As I said before, this particular example isn’t the hill we need to take- this guy is suspected of either stealing, or receiving stolen goods. It is accepted that when a person violates the law, they have voluntarily surrendered their rights. As long as a legal citizen remains within the confines of the law, there should be no limit to what one may possess. What business is it of mine what someone decides to spend their hard earned money on? That’s an easy question- none!

Response by SPC Ken Sawyer made Jun 26 at 2018 7:37 PM

2018-06-26T19:37:09-04:00

How many hotwheel cars is to many? If he is a collector it’s really none of anyone’s business. If he isn’t prohibited from owning firearms again it’s no ones business

Response by SSG Robert Spear made Jun 30 at 2018 4:00 PM

2018-06-30T16:00:28-04:00

This article was clearly written by someone trying to stir the pot and play on emotions. As long as he owned them legally, there is no problem here. Maybe I missed it,why was the sheriff there anyway?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2018 7:26 PM

2018-06-30T19:26:51-04:00

damn all im wondering is if hes gonna sell any of them, probably some great firearms in that collection

Response by SFC Joseph Dunphy made Jul 4 at 2018 11:19 AM

2018-07-04T11:19:52-04:00

My concern is the obvious bias on the article against gun owners. Only late in the article do you learn that the arrest was from an anonymous tip. which led to a traffic stop, where officers stated they saw weapons in plain view. The tip could have been from a concerned citizen, but more likely some criminal who didn t want to see the price lowered by a "competing seller," who of course is presumed innocent until proven guilty. What you have here is one set of states, who can t address the high crime rates in their own areas, seeking to impose restrictions on less populous states, that would affect mainly innocent, law abiding citizens, restrictions that are unconstitutional in the first place. It is a truism that criminals don t abide by the law. The guy s reputation, apparantly, is that he is a multi generational legitimate gun owner. The burden of proof is on the government to convince a jury of illegal intent. Probably not gonna happen in that county, and a change of venue could be construed as prosecutorial abuse. Meanwhile, back in the high crime states, judges are engaged in a tidal wave practice of catch and release of even the brutal MS-13 gangs in the news of late, and you only learn that there are even worse, such as the Trinitaros, who macheted to death the wrong guy, who turned out to look like someone the gang wanted to kill. The death was by Machete, not guns. The newspapers are careful to not run exposes on the judges that engage in catch and release, with the result that more and more people are unsafe in their own neighborhoods. Ineffective use of resources, IMO.

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Jul 4 at 2018 3:02 PM

2018-07-04T15:02:23-04:00

So he’s essentially been trafficking in stolen guns. My guess would be that he also derives a lot of his cash only & tax-free income in buying & selling weapons. I did see a picture from the seizure of a pickup truck bed full of guns right up to the top of the bed. It’s a great example of why there needs to be background checks on all who buy weapons; commercially, at gun shows or privately.

Response by SFC Dave Nutter made Jul 5 at 2018 6:54 PM

2018-07-05T18:54:59-04:00

This guy is nothing more than a hoarder getting in intervention. The only thing that concerns me is that some of the weapons were coming back as stolen.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Jul 7 at 2018 12:31 PM

2018-07-07T12:31:12-04:00

According to the article, he was buying stolen guns, so yes, we should be concerned. Just like we could be concerned if someone was buying stolen cars or power tools. But, concerned by the fact a person can have 5000 guns? Why? What's the difference if they have one or 5000? Can't use more than one at time, accurately, anyway.

HOWEVER, comma, did my soul good to see Hillary referred to as a "leading presidential candidate" in the article. Reminded me of the three days or so I spent right after the last election just watching little bitches cry on youtube cause they lost....Good times.

Response by LT Louis McKellar made Jul 9 at 2018 10:51 AM

2018-07-09T10:51:57-04:00

Imagine how much ammunition you need to shoot all those guns!

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Jul 9 at 2018 12:00 PM

2018-07-09T12:00:20-04:00

Sinister stockpile? Give me a break. Most likely this person has a hoarding disorder besides having a criminal history. From the looks of that picture, it doesn't look like they are being maintained. The author of this piece should worry about the illegal selling of stolen weapons instead. How many of these firearms were stolen?

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2018 5:22 AM

2018-07-16T05:22:32-04:00

NOT concerned at all ! When 'it' Comes, I want to be in his group !!! HOORAH !!!

Response by 1SG Brian Emmert made Jul 16 at 2018 3:12 PM

2018-07-16T15:12:32-04:00

No. Some people collect cars, you don't get excited about them POSSIBLY

Response by 1SG Brian Emmert made Jul 16 at 2018 3:24 PM

2018-07-16T15:24:28-04:00

With respect to the previous responses, there should be little to no concern as to how many weapons a person has. That was the question originally asked. What should be concerning is that the story did not mention WHY law enforcement showed up and SEIZED them. The article was obviously written to incite people against the collection of weapons. ALL information must be assessed before an informed opinion can be given and there was not enough information was presented to get that informed opinion.

Response by PFC Stephen Trynosky made Jul 17 at 2018 8:50 AM

2018-07-17T08:50:54-04:00

I just disposed of 12 guns from a friend's fathers estate to a FFL dealer whose basement/garage looks a lot like this. Last month there was a piece in"The American Rifleman" about a couple who owned, for decades, a very rare flintlock whose provenance took it back to the Battle of New Orleans. Bought it legitimately and spent a small fortune proving it's history. They even lent it out for exhibits over the years. Yet, they were "raided" by the FBI and local LEO's when it turned out the gun had been stolen thirty some years ago from a museum who had NEVER reported the theft. Apparently they were treated like crap by the authorities and knowing some over zealous Prosecutors and Cops I'm sure more than one wanted to charge them with "receiving stolen property", bill of sale not withstanding. I wonder if this guy was "urged" to plead just to make the case go away and NOT be bankrupted?

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Jul 21 at 2018 9:55 PM

2018-07-21T21:55:24-04:00

It irritates me that he didn't take care of his weapons before himself. Who the heck posted this item: " the sinister stockpile hidden behind his windowless front door". Is he a felon? then who gives a hoot except for the anti-freedom crowd who have infiltrated this site...

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2018 4:14 PM

2018-08-04T16:14:01-04:00

I'm more concerned about a couple of traffic violations resulting in a search of a man's home; and summary seizure of 5000 personal possessions.

Response by CPT Ronald Scherick made Aug 5 at 2018 11:04 AM

2018-08-05T11:04:57-04:00

Do not give the liberal global warming nuts any ideas next they will be setting laws to limit how many cars we own

Response by CPT Ronald Scherick made Aug 5 at 2018 11:20 AM

2018-08-05T11:20:01-04:00

I wish my wife thought like you while she tolerates my guns she tries to discourage me from adding to the collection.

Response by PO2 Garfield Holmes made Aug 5 at 2018 1:41 PM

2018-08-05T13:41:46-04:00

What's wrong with investing against a stark future. Those guns are valuable and he may just be a gun admirer that is anticipating the day when the control nuts take everyone else's guns. His immediately become very valuable.

Response by CPO Lou Oliver made Aug 5 at 2018 4:46 PM

2018-08-05T16:46:59-04:00

The short answer is NO. If you read the article you would know that the guy was not your average citizen, and that he was involved in the underworld. Then you should have taken the clue, that this was not a gun friendly article from the term "sinister' that was used early on in the article. Even in Canada, people can unlawfully obtain guns, and the Mexican laws are even stricter than Canada's, yet they do not stop the shooting in Mexico.

Response by CSM Thomas Wenner made Aug 6 at 2018 10:37 AM

2018-08-06T10:37:49-04:00

Sinister stockpile...bias much?

Response by SGT Rick Colburn made Aug 7 at 2018 10:51 AM

2018-08-07T10:51:24-04:00

I have six and sometimes I think that's too many that is until I spend a day at the range and enjoy shooting them would be more fun to have someone to shoot with and a little friendly competition

Response by SGT Rick Colburn made Aug 7 at 2018 10:55 AM

2018-08-07T10:55:34-04:00

looking closer to the pic I see no assault weapons machine pistols or the like I see rifles and shotguns the weapon doesn't kill or wound but the person holding it for bad intentions and purposes

Response by SPC Jeromie Goggin made Aug 7 at 2018 1:26 PM

2018-08-07T13:26:32-04:00

I mean, if I had enough money, I could literally go buy a gun a day for the rest of my life. Hell, I can only use one, maybe two at a time. I don't see the issue as long as they are all obtained legally.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Aug 11 at 2018 3:50 PM

2018-08-11T15:50:21-04:00

No, why should it concern any of us? Really. The government 'hoard' ballistic missiles, submarines, tanks and fighter jets and we all seem pretty safe? The man has not done anything illegal, probably has to pay a lot for his hobby. The soul search mentioned in the article should actually be "false soul searching generated by the media..." because that is all it really is as this article proves.

Response by TSgt Sandra V. made Aug 13 at 2018 8:33 AM

2018-08-13T08:33:41-04:00

I don't have a problem per se with someone collecting weapons, however, in this case it appears that most of them were stolen. Granted, there were no crimes committed with them (as far as is known), but where did he obtain them? Did he do a "gun grab" of criminals?? Did he steal them? Did he pay people to steal them? At this point in time there are too many unanswered questions regarding this investigation.

Response by SGT Brett Naughton made Aug 15 at 2018 1:49 AM

2018-08-15T01:49:21-04:00

I'm more concerned about the conditions in which they are kept than the number. This guy had too many guns, as he couldn't take care of them. Look at that mess. Clean this place up!

Response by SGT Benjamin Parsons made Aug 15 at 2018 7:36 PM

2018-08-15T19:36:06-04:00

The weapons maintenance this guy must do...

Response by Harley Montgomery made Aug 16 at 2018 10:12 PM

2018-08-16T22:12:10-04:00

It's really no one's business how many guns someone collects. This article was honestly a waste of time to write unless you're going to note he might just hold the world record for largest civilian gun collection. He had to have been collecting these his whole life, I'm kind of impressed personally, that's some serious dedication.

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Aug 19 at 2018 9:34 PM

2018-08-19T21:34:25-04:00

COL Mikel J. Burroughs Then if 5000 is too many then how many is not too many? I guess when I learned about the 2nd Amendment I must have missed the part about the limitation as to the number of firearms one is allowed to own. As to ammunition, I guess I missed that one as well. And, what is this "American soul-searching over the widespread availability of firearms ?" Another liberal retort if you ask me. Violating our rights will not do one single thing in terms of whatever it is this post thinks it will. Makes me very angry when I read things like this just as it did when this story first broke like it was maybe a BFD or something. If you want to censor my comments and delete this post, then so be it. This is how I feel about this extreme BS.

So, why is this story even worthy of mention. It is a anti-gunner rant.

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Aug 19 at 2018 11:02 PM

2018-08-19T23:02:51-04:00

I'm sorry COL Mikel J. Burroughs. I must have missed the part of the US Constitution that talks about you are only allowed to own a certain number of firearms. Oddly, I seem to have also missed the part that says I can only own a musket as well.

Personally, I could give a rodents hindquarters how many firearms, how much ammunition a person owns, or even what type (full-auto, semi-, single shot, etc). The only time I'm concerned is if there are indicators the individual might be a threat to anyone. Otherwise, I say to each their own. I'd love to be able to collect that many weapons. Unfortunately, my bank account screams an emphatic "NO!".

Response by PO1 Ed Roller made Aug 20 at 2018 3:02 PM

2018-08-20T15:02:39-04:00

why is it a problem and who's business is it to regulate how many guns I do or do not own? We should be able to own whatever . It is America? Should we regulate doors in a house? children? what next?

Response by PO2 Frank Inscore made Aug 21 at 2018 10:09 AM

2018-08-21T10:09:03-04:00

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/man-with-thousands-of-hoarded-guns-wont-go-to-prison/498777745

(quote)
"Some locals scratch their heads over that possibility, arguing that it’s a waste of good weaponry. Nicholson may not have known if he was buying weapons that prove to be stolen, some say, and he should be allowed to keep any that do not.
“It doesn’t make sense,” says Otis Burch, 85, another local who knows the Nicholsons. “He’s a good man – he wasn’t selling those guns.
“I asked him just about a month ago if he’d sell me a deer rifle,” Burch adds, “and he said he didn’t have any.”
“Everybody knew he’d buy guns; his father bought ‘em, his grandfather bought ‘em,” says Al Padgett, 68, who keeps a booth at a local flea market and says he’s known the family all his life. “He collected ‘em, hoarded ‘em, but I never knew him to sell a gun. Not one. He did everyone a favor keeping ‘em off the street.”

498777745

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2018 11:18 AM

2018-09-02T11:18:33-04:00

What laws were broken?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2018 6:12 PM

2018-09-08T18:12:44-04:00

I am not concerned in the least regarding what people choose to purchase with their own money, or how much they decide to buy, whether it be guns, beanie babies or saltine crackers.

This whole “concern” thing that has cropped up around gun ownership is just another divide-and-conquer attempt by busybodies who enjoy minding the business of everyone else around them.

If the guy with the 5000 guns was selling them to cartels, gangbangers or ATF agents, then I would be concerned, but if he’s committing no crimes, why would I care how many guns he has?

I have a decent collection myself, and I see no reason why I should ever divest myself of any portion of it for the sake of some progressive’s mythical “right to be safe.”

Response by GySgt David Andrews made Sep 11 at 2018 10:04 AM

2018-09-11T10:04:38-04:00

The second amendment does not put a limit on how many firearms a person can have. As long as he is not a danger to others why should you care?!

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Sep 14 at 2018 6:59 PM

2018-09-14T18:59:50-04:00

A person can accurately fire one gun at a time. Spray & pray with two. No more than that. He might be able to carry four on an assault. That leaves 4996 guns collecting dust. It sounds like the guy had a obsession collecting guns. No more crazy that someone who has 5000 Beanie Babies or the lady with 60 cats in her home. Worry more about one group with 5000 members that all own guns & want to use them against someone or something.

Response by Cpl Douglas Loven made Sep 22 at 2018 5:58 AM

2018-09-22T05:58:38-04:00

Not at all.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Sep 22 at 2018 8:27 AM

2018-09-22T08:27:36-04:00

One to my knowledge except for stealing some of the guns he had not used any of them to commit a crime. Two we must protect our 2nd amendment rights as well ae the entire Bill of rights regardless of the conquences. The government still has the terrorist law that allows you to be tried in a veiled court without legal representation. So we are following a slippery slope if we try to put a quota on how many guns you can and how much ammo you can have. Third he could not fire all of the guns at once.

Response by CPT Wes Marsh made Sep 30 at 2018 9:45 AM

2018-09-30T09:45:22-04:00

Well, as long as he didn't have a pointy stick.

Response by Evan Duda made Sep 30 at 2018 2:54 PM

2018-09-30T14:54:18-04:00

How a person spends their money, isn't really any of my concern. Plus, I'm pretty sure an individual really can't carry more than...five guns. Maybe more, but still...you're not going to be shooting all of them at once. The biggest increase in an individuals threat in regards to the number of firearms in possession is from zero to one. In regards to this specific event, he should have kept them neatly, and not just littered them around everywhere. Oh, and he shouldn't have stolen them, that too.
EDIT: I was unaware that this post was 3 years old. Woops.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Oct 7 at 2018 6:58 AM

2018-10-07T06:58:34-04:00

A tough nut this question is. But here's my take. A arms collector legally buys, sells and trades guns with a permit to do so. A gun ownwer, legally buys guns, as many he can afford (before his wife leaves him). But does so with a permit for each purchase. This guy has over 5k guns, rifles, shotguns and lord what else. Its been found many were stolen and so forth. If you collect guns, you do so to show you have a big wallet and a sizeable rack to dosplay them in. Mr. 5k just let his stash lie all over the house and barn. Shame on him and for that he should go to jail.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2018 3:19 PM

2018-10-07T15:19:20-04:00

Stolen property is the concern here. It's none of the government's business (or Reuters's business) how many weapons a person has.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2018 9:03 PM

2018-10-07T21:03:20-04:00

Ill ask you a question: has this man ever done anything to hurt you, his community, or his country? If the answer is no, then J believe you have the answer to your question. Its a non issue unless you make it one.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2018 9:04 PM

2018-10-07T21:04:12-04:00

I will also go one step farther and say that it is quite amazong we live in such a free nation that we have the time to scrutinize people we have never met but only niminally heard of.

Response by SPC(P) Mike Conley Jr. made Oct 7 at 2018 9:18 PM

2018-10-07T21:18:18-04:00

I think that is a very slippery slope in regards to legislation, Who's to say what is or is not an OK amount of weapons or ammunition to own? In today's already overly powerful government We as people cannot stand by in give the government more and more and more power. In my eyes 1st comes limitation then comes a total ban.

Response by PO1 Don Mac Intyre made Oct 8 at 2018 9:10 PM

2018-10-08T21:10:23-04:00

Should we be concerned about what a fellow American does on his own property? Simple answer, NO.

Response by Cpl Cary Cartter made Oct 9 at 2018 1:14 PM

2018-10-09T13:14:04-04:00

"Sinister stockpile" ... anthropormorphically characterize inanimate objects much?

Also, either support the second, or don't. "I believe ... but ... " means you don't believe. It is an absolute, not a conditional, right.

Response by CPT Tim Oxner made Oct 17 at 2018 11:29 AM

2018-10-17T11:29:57-04:00

You have a right to own as many guns as you like. Some people are collectors. However, if there were stolen firearms those should be dealt with by the authorities. If he broke a law or was in possession of stolen goods that is a legal matter and it should be investigated and addressed if necessary. I agree that it is not the gun that is evil. I liked the authors use of the term "sinister stockpile" that shows you what their agenda is! It looks like most of his "sinister stockpile"was largely junk. I do feel he was not being a responsible gun owner and was not securing them properly. There are so many guns in this country that if the govt removed the legal guns from the law abiding citizens the only people having them will be the criminals and the thugs. Then heaven help us!

Response by SN Terry Poynter made Oct 17 at 2018 9:18 PM

2018-10-17T21:18:58-04:00

there can never be "a little too much freedom" We either took an Oath to support and defend the Constitution or we didn't . if We did, that includes this mans right to keep and bear as many arms as he can afford. bet not one of them guns has magically leapt off the rack and killed anyone all on its own.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2018 2:41 PM

2018-10-23T14:41:47-04:00

This is a fluff piece: ".. there was no hint of the sinister stockpile hidden behind his windowless front door." The language used is designed to manipulate the emotion of the reader and have them override their logical (default) skepticism. The number of firearms is irrelevant to the use of the firearms (unless you are a writer trying to manipulate a reader). It would be just as easy to apply this language to a furniture store and the "sinister stockpile" of coffee tables.

Response by LTC John Bush made Oct 24 at 2018 4:22 PM

2018-10-24T16:22:09-04:00

looks like the guy was mostly a hoarder and did nothing with any of the stuff he had. The guns were mostly junk

Response by MSgt Mike Rockwell made Nov 7 at 2018 12:32 PM

2018-11-07T12:32:51-05:00

Change gun to anything else. Oh, you have too many cars, you can't own more than one house. You can't have more than two pairs of shoes ... When will it ever stop? This is the United States of America where, or at least it used to be, Private ownership of any thing was no one's business unless it infringed on someone else's rights ....

Response by SSgt Ed Hamlin made Nov 7 at 2018 3:11 PM

2018-11-07T15:11:48-05:00

First off, I've LEGALLY acquired everyone of the firearms I own. some are curios some are not, there are duplicates that I would like to hand down to younger family members at the proper time. If the man truly acquired all of the firearms legally and can provide proof, so what that he had 5000.

When you ready the complete article at reuters the picture is a bit clearer. more than likely many of the guns were not purchased legally. History shows that a persons nature is reveal by consistent actions. possession of stolen property lends me to conclude he may have paid for the stolen firearms, or may have even stolen them himself. He is a criminal based on factual history. Yet with that number cached at his home, I try to look at the situation in a more forgiving light, maybe he was buying the stolen property to keep it from others evil use. Then again God only knows this guys intent.

I'll say this, I know of a few collections that equal the number of firearms in this cache. I also know the moment you say to a anti 2A lobbyist how many firearms a person should be limited in owning, you have now opened the door to confiscation and reduction to none.

Response by SSgt William (Bill) Pangrass made Nov 8 at 2018 11:08 PM

2018-11-08T23:08:11-05:00

Absolutely not. If People don’t have evil in their hearts it doesn’t matter what they have, they’ll never be used for evil. If they have evil in their hearts, then one is too much.

Response by SGT John Graham made Nov 12 at 2018 4:09 PM

2018-11-12T16:09:08-05:00

Ok, by some standards I have a stash. eight handguns, a shotgun, three rifles (two rimfire .22 and a, GASP!, Mini 14 .223 folding stock rifle. I carried a handgun almost twenty years as a cop. I never HAD to shoot anyone (thank god). That is not to say there weren't multiple opportunities. Training, both military and law enforcement allowed objective analysis. Not to say others didn't. ANYWAY, the fact is none of my weapons were ever improperly used. The only concern I have with this individual having all those weapons is that some were found to be stolen. Did HE steal them, or purchase a knowingly stolen weapon? If not the only problem I would voice is how he secured them. He was a recluse from all that I've read. I fear this individual much less than some punk with a "black rifle, AK-47, or a handgun", that has no awareness of firearms other than spray and pray.

Response by MSgt Bruce Cooper made Nov 15 at 2018 3:46 PM

2018-11-15T15:46:30-05:00

Should we be concerned with the gal that has hundreds or thousands of shoes? Or the guy who has hundreds or thousands of knives or baseball cards. He can only shoot one or 2 at a time. What makes "a bunch of guns a sinister stockpile hidden behind his windowless front door"? The guy sounds like a hoarder to me! Not one of those guns ever got up and killed anyone. It isn't the gun that goes out and kills people, it is the person who does not care about life.

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Nov 16 at 2018 4:59 AM

2018-11-16T04:59:38-05:00

Is he adopting?

Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made Nov 17 at 2018 1:20 PM

2018-11-17T13:20:04-05:00

He spent his money on them, lots of money obviously, and they're his although I think having that many is absurd. As long as they are secure I don't see a problem. He has 5000 of them but in the long run he can only shoot one of them at a time.

Response by TSgt J.L. Brown Jr made Nov 21 at 2018 6:30 PM

2018-11-21T18:30:41-05:00

So he had 5000 guns, if I had the money and time, I would have as many as I could. No it's the one jackass that buys his guns and is a clear felon! It's the jackass that will pull a gun to rob a 7-11 or gas station to get what he wants!

Response by MSG Steve Collier made Nov 24 at 2018 6:19 PM

2018-11-24T18:19:22-05:00

This post seems a little leftist to me.... if some of those firearms are stolen, prosecute. Might want to reread the Second Amendment a few times and learn. I may own any firearm that is legal in AMERICA. I'm not limited to a specified max limit, nor do I need to ask what I may possess. There is some problem with this post, as in propagandizing, "...there was no hint at the sinister stockpile hidden behind his windowless front door."
Colonel, if guns were the problem in this Great Union, you'd know. When drundrivers kill someone the drunk is blamed, when a store is robbed, the robber is blamed. Alas, when a Person shots someone it is the gun being blamed. As inanimate objects guns do nothing but rust. Guns require human (people) agency to operate. My pistol has been in my holster all day. Not once has it hopped up and fired on its own.

Response by SGM Bill Johnson made Nov 28 at 2018 6:52 AM

2018-11-28T06:52:46-05:00

Other than the fact that these firearms were not secured properly I have no issue with the numbers. Most people would say I have more than I need too. I acquire guns cheaply when the opportunity arises; most often through trades but also as the sole surviving male heir many guns from previous generations filtered down to me. I use them all, some much more often than the others. Big deal. If he wasn't supplying drug cartels with guns, like the Obama administration did, then merely owning them is not a crime or a concern.

Response by John King made Nov 29 at 2018 1:41 PM

2018-11-29T13:41:11-05:00

No concern of mine or yours

Response by SSgt Spence Sorrow made Dec 6 at 2018 6:23 PM

2018-12-06T18:23:18-05:00

Well the fact that it said many had been stolen doesn't help your case here! If someone buys 3 or 300, if that person passes a background check and or has a concealed carry permit, buy however many you want.

Response by SSG K Johnson made Dec 7 at 2018 8:24 AM

2018-12-07T08:24:39-05:00

'Merica

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2018 12:31 PM

2018-12-09T12:31:06-05:00

I think that the first question that has to be asked is:
Is this a relevant example to discuss a Constitutional point?
Let’s suppose, for a second, that it is… and that we are going to go with the “headline” as our “basis” for the Constitutional discussion.
And let’s take it from your opening sentence: “I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but isn't this a little too much?”
My first, almost automatic, reaction to this statement was thinking about a guy who gave a fairly long-winded speech – had about 5,000 words in it – and, hey! I believe in the First amendment, but isn’t that a little too much?
So, on the surface, are we going to go around limiting our freedoms – or placing limits on the Bill of Rights – because somebody thinks that someone has carried his freedom of speech (to take one example) “too far” by making a “long-winded speech”? Notice that I am not talking about shouting “FIRE!” in a crowded theater. Today, we have people infringing on other people’s First Amendment’s rights simply because they don’t LIKE what a person says… or even what a person MIGHT say. It happens in academic circles all the time, and there are resolved cases castigating that type of behavior.
So the fact that I might “like” or “not like” the way someone is exercising their rights really has no bearing on whether that right is valid as exercised. So, if we were to suppose that this were a lawful accumulation of weapons, the fact that there were one, five, five thousand or ten thousand has no bearing on the exercise of the right. The Bill of Rights does NOT include an “only up to x” statement on any of the rights. Remember that those rights are there to place a limit on GOVERNMENT, not on the people, who can exercise or have exercised the rights.
But my previous comments have been based on the supposition that this is a LAWFUL accumulation of weapons. If that accumulation of weapons is NOT LAWFUL, then this example is not valid or meritorious as one to be brought up as part of a discussion of a Constitutional point. Why? Because it has no relevance to the point.
When I look farther down in the message posted, I see a comment in the article indicating that “Six weeks after the discovery, officers are still cataloging the weapons, many of which have proved stolen…” Ah! Interesting! “…many of which have proved stolen…”. Key word: stolen. So what we have here is a potential CRIMINAL issue. If this is true, then police apparently stumbled upon a stash of largely stolen weapons. Perhaps the property owner is a “fence” (buyer of stolen goods). Granted, 5 thousand stolen weapons, some (judging from the picture) in not too good a shape, are nothing compared to, say, the discovery and confiscation of 20 kilos of cocaine with a street value in the millions of dollars… … … but it is still an impressive criminal find. But that is what it is. A criminal find. It really has no bearing on the 2nd amendment because, to start with, there is no indication in the article regarding WHERE they were stolen from.
Now… we can be indignant about the fact that this “fence” was operating without being detected (although he apparently had problems in getting rid of the weapons profitably, to have accumulated so many, which is not their normal practice). But we can also be indignant about stashes of cocaine that have been found, or stashes of child pornography, or stashes of other stolen goods, or of Medicare frauds in the billions of dollars (as uncovered in Florida). We can be indignant about these and many other criminal actions. But I note that none of these others, although they can be MUCH more detrimental to our society as a whole, raise a Constitutional issue related to fundamental rights. So I guess my question is… might we be grasping at straws?

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Dec 10 at 2018 10:25 PM

2018-12-10T22:25:49-05:00

Has he committed any crimes, with or without his weapons? I think owning 5000 weapons is excessive. But I don't know what would be the reason to take them away, unless they are not kept safe and secure.

Response by PO2 Bull Halsey made Dec 11 at 2018 1:58 AM

2018-12-11T01:58:23-05:00

There is no "sinister" stockpile. The man is a hoarder of many things. "Sinister" is simply a gossip columnests buzzword for putting his spin on his story.

Response by CPL James S. made Dec 13 at 2018 4:43 PM

2018-12-13T16:43:38-05:00

offered IMHO only
Why should we be concerned with the number of guns anyone has? Was there a limit written into the second amendment that I am unaware of?

Let's look at this a different way: Hammers and screwdrivers are incredibly deadly if you look at the Bureau of Justice Crime Statistics, but they're completely unregulated. How many people here would be shocked or appalled if someone owned 5000 hammers?

How about if we take another amendment: the first. Would we be equally appalled if someone had 5000 books or 5000 dictionaries? What about 5000 newspapers?

The tool is useless without specific human action, but more importantly, the intent of the tool, weapon or device is entirely upon the user as an inanimate object cannot have intent, let alone be "sinister".

We should stop focusing on the tool and focus on the core problem which is the user and the violence. Moreover, we should stop making legends of the petty pathetic criminals who commit these types of crimes - so long as we continue to spread their image, name and actions in the media it's sure to attract others to continue in the footsteps of the POS pathetic criminals in order to get the attention they crave.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Dec 14 at 2018 9:18 AM

2018-12-14T09:18:13-05:00

I would be concerned about how much ammo he had in case of fire.

Response by SSG Robert Spear made Dec 16 at 2018 9:25 AM

2018-12-16T09:25:32-05:00

I'd tell you that it's none of your damn business how many guns this man owns. You can tell by the language of the article, that it was written with the intent of instilling fear. "Err muh gerd this man has 5000 guns...a sinister stockpile". Give me a break, he's got 5k guns, but only 2 hands. Sometimes you people baffle me.

Response by SSG Marshall Paul made Dec 18 at 2018 7:34 PM

2018-12-18T19:34:36-05:00

I am not generally a thief, but this is one guy I would not feel bad about stealing from...

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Dec 20 at 2018 11:41 PM

2018-12-20T23:41:31-05:00

Is he legally in possession of them? I think I would be more concerned about some "thug" OG Gangsta wannabe being in possession of even one weapon. I shudder at the casual disregard and horrendous treatment of his weapons. I honestly would PT the living daylights out of him for the deplorable conditions he is exposing those weapons to. I would be surprised if more than 30% of them function. That (IMHO) bothers me tremendously. That a law abiding United States citizen LEGALLY owning as many firearms as they care to does not bother me at all. I will proudly protect and defend their Constitutional right to do so.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Dec 21 at 2018 4:39 PM

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Just happened to think that he may have owned a pawn shop or is one of those "Storage Wars" buyers.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Dec 26 at 2018 1:31 AM

2018-12-26T01:31:27-05:00

As long as he acquired them legally, stores and uses them responsibly I have no problem with how many he has.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2019 7:22 PM

2019-01-06T19:22:38-05:00

It's his 2nd Amendment right. Keep in mind he can only shoot one at a time, and those don't look like military weapons.

Response by SPC Travis Grizzard made Jan 7 at 2019 4:21 PM

2019-01-07T16:21:21-05:00

Should we be concerned about pharmacies, due to the large number of drugs he had?

Response by 1SG Cj Grisham made Jan 13 at 2019 12:10 AM

2019-01-13T00:10:19-05:00

No we shouldn't. Who cares and why? He's only got two hands anyway!

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2019 10:18 AM

2019-01-13T10:18:29-05:00

I'm sorry... why is this a problem?

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Jan 14 at 2019 2:57 PM

2019-01-14T14:57:41-05:00

Absolutely. But also to a point.

I am not a gun enthusiast, nor I am I collector. BUT, if i did collect, would collect weapons that meant something, I would have a musket from the civil war, if i could find an original that would be most excellent, but a replica would do. I would try to find an original colt revolver, etc. Why collect something that has no meaning? What does having 1 of every handgun really mean in the long run, versus having a single revolver used by Patton? Or a General's side arm used or just worn by say Norman Swatrtzekoff?

5,000 firearms? for what? how could you possibly need that many, ever? Unless you are stockpiling them for some type of militia, probably with people who can not buy their own firearms!

Response by SPC Olen Nicholson made Jan 14 at 2019 7:44 PM

2019-01-14T19:44:16-05:00

As long as he is legal leave him the hell alone . GGO.COM

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made Jan 15 at 2019 6:41 PM

2019-01-15T18:41:14-05:00

The fact that many of the weapons were stolen tells me that his moral compass is off. It does not tell me whether or not is a risk. I would need to know far more about him than that, like his psychological profile for instance. He needs to spend some time confined which would remove him as a risk for a period of time

Response by SFC Leslie Caudill made Jan 17 at 2019 10:33 PM

2019-01-17T22:33:32-05:00

What was "sinister" about this other than the sheer number of firearms? Also, why did the police come to the property in the first place? Was there some reason to suspect that Nicholson had stolen weapons? Was he an ex-felon suspected of having weapons at all?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2019 4:26 PM

2019-01-24T16:26:15-05:00

Nothing to see here.

Response by PO1 Steve Newton made Jan 27 at 2019 11:33 PM

2019-01-27T23:33:24-05:00

In Missouri we would say he needs more weapons.

Response by SSG Roy Kelly II made Jan 28 at 2019 9:12 AM

2019-01-28T09:12:35-05:00

The telling points to me were this:

"On Oct. 21, a sheriff’s deputy just over the state line in Union County, North Carolina, pulled Nicholson over for running a stop sign. Nicholson’s pick-up had bogus license plates – and the deputy noticed rifle barrels poking up from behind the seat when he approached the vehicle.

A search turned up 20 rifles, nine handguns and nearly 200 hydrocodone pills, arrest records show, and several of the guns were stolen. Nicholson was arrested for possessing stolen weapons, trafficking in opiates and vehicular violations.

Nicholson was still jailed 48 hours later when a deputy in Pageland stopped by his house with a subpoena in a family court matter. The deputy spotted equipment in the yard that had been reported stolen, and investigators returned with a search warrant. "

To start bogus plates, lots of pills and stolen firearms, then stolen equipment in the yard... I have to wonder whether these were heading north for more violence. It appears the this individual was not exercising his 2nd amendment right and was running guns to me

Response by CPT Brad Wilson made Jan 28 at 2019 4:39 PM

2019-01-28T16:39:36-05:00

I think the key part of the story is “and many of them were stolen” so he was not a law abiding citizen exercising his Second Amendment Rights he was a criminal. No law abiding citizen could afford that many weapons

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made Jan 31 at 2019 9:30 AM

2019-01-31T09:30:52-05:00

As a gun owner myself, I can pretty much assure you that many of those guns are non serviceable. I had a friend with a large stockpile, he said he enjoyed repairing them and since he had few actual rounds for the guns, I saw no reason to doubt him, because no gun is useful without something to fire

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there are any numbers of weapons attached to the "2nd" is there? We are allowed to have guns, end of statement. It does not say, two or ten or one per family member, so, I would assume that the number, caliber and serviceability of those weapons can and is left up to those who own them....
I'd be far more concerned if someone had several thousand rounds and the weapons to use those rounds, but that's just me....

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2019 9:37 AM

2019-02-01T09:37:54-05:00

You aren't a 2A supporter is you think ownership of any number of weapons is "too much". Sorry.

Response by PO2 Thomas Kibort made Feb 2 at 2019 5:15 PM

2019-02-02T17:15:43-05:00

In a word, no. Questions? See the 2nd Amendment. Disagree? See the 1st Amendment.

Are we concerned that Jay Leno has a car arsenal? No. But he could use them to mow down people just like Jihadists in France or New York. So why are we paranoid (some of us) about guns and not a lot of vehicles? Just prejudice and twisted political views.

Now, should we look into people that cause suspicion? Maybe. It depends on what he's doing and who is offended, I mean suspicious. But before we go down that road, your reasons may be legitimate or prejudicial. Your 'gun nut' may be my suspected 'Jihadist'. We must be unbiased in our law enforcement actions and suspicions of our fellow citizens. Otherwise we could have a sitting president of one party wiretapping an opposition candidate on flimsy, or false evidence. And then we're not much different than a third world banana republic. Venezuela anyone?

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made Feb 3 at 2019 3:05 PM

2019-02-03T15:05:01-05:00

The key question to ask is not about how many firearms were amassed is were any of those firearms used in a Crime? If not used in a Crime, then that is 5,000 firearms preserved from criminal activity. You are aware that you can make your own firearms. A ghost gun is a firearm without serial numbers. ... By making the gun themselves, owners may legally bypass background checks and registration regulations. Under U.S. federal law, the creation and possession of ghost guns is permitted, but a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_gun ). I have a large assortment of Knives, bows and arrows, spears and swords, axes, hammers, lasers and tasers... AND, I know of others that have similar hoards. I collect them and make Art out of them. Some I sell and others I give away... Now tell me why this is not the same as that of the Hoarder of guns. I stand by my initial sentence as the key thing to ask is "...were any of those firearms used in a Crime?"

Ghost gun - Wikipedia

A ghost gun is a firearm without serial numbers. The term is used by gun control advocates, gun rights advocates, law enforcement, and some in the firearm industry.[1][2][3][4] By making the gun themselves, owners may legally bypass background checks and registration regulations.[1][5] Under U.S. federal law, the creation and possession of ghost guns is permitted, but a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution.[6]

Response by MSgt Steve Staggs made Feb 5 at 2019 1:16 PM

2019-02-05T13:16:37-05:00

The critical piece seems to elude most people. And I quote, "The majority of which proved stolen". Then there's the point that bothers me most, as with most,"fake news". Where is HIS side of the story? We don't have all the details. We don't know if crimes were committed (yet) with them. And the 2nd Amendment clearly and definitively does NOT place a limit on the INDIVIDUAL'S right to keep and bear arm(s). Food for thought.

Response by PO2 Dale Brown made Feb 6 at 2019 8:27 PM

2019-02-06T20:27:31-05:00

Other than the fact that some were stolen, so what?

Response by CPL Brian Clouser made Feb 11 at 2019 8:35 AM

2019-02-11T08:35:10-05:00

How many are too many? I have 5 and looking to buy #6 That may be my limit A friend of mine has around 30, some are fully auto. Buying a firearm isn't as easy as the liberals say it is. Dealers have to do a background check, that includes those dealers at a gun show. If you buy one thru the internet, it has to be shipped to a licensed dealer, who does a check before you leave with it 5000 firearms might be a little too much, but honestly, I'm more worry about the traitors on the East and West coast that want to abolish the 2nd Amendment. Remember an armed society are citizens, an unarmed society are subjects

Response by SP5 Rich Levesque made Feb 23 at 2019 10:53 AM

2019-02-23T10:53:46-05:00

Wow...….. 5000 firearms. There must be some beauties. The story goes on that some were stolen. That's where the line gets crossed. I have no problem with a fellow having lots of weapons. It's what he does with them that can be problematical. In my armory, I have a nice collection of WWII rifles from a K98 to an Arisaka to a Garand and Lee Enfield. All restored and functional and secured. Those are not my only rifles or muskets. As long as I do not do anything stupid with them, its no one's business what I have.

Response by SGT A F made Feb 24 at 2019 11:14 AM

2019-02-24T11:14:52-05:00

Was he being investigated for owning to many guns or something else? If he wasn't, the next question is how many stamps can a collector have?

Response by 1stSgt Jeff Blovat made Feb 28 at 2019 4:47 PM

2019-02-28T16:47:00-05:00

It is concerning to me in these ways: Are any of them illegally obtained? Use illegally? Illegal in model/accessories, unauthorized people allowed to use them, any of them stolen? If they were legally obtained and legal, then yes that is an “ass load” of weapons. As a LEO, in real life, in a typical scenario the shooter can only fire 1 weapon at a time effectively. It is a lot of hardware though. Just my 2¢.

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Mar 1 at 2019 5:28 PM

2019-03-01T17:28:38-05:00

Did he do anything wrong with them? When someone collects beer cans, and ends up with thousands of beer cans, is that a problem? I went on an AC call one night last year, the guy lived in a one bedroom apartment, with a bathroom, kitchen, and living room. He had ammo cans stacked in his living room about 5' high and 6' wide. Kind of freaked me out, and I did mention it to the landlord, because to me its a safety hazard in a multi residential building. The landlord told me the guy is a prepper. Kind of a strange place to live if your a prepper, in a 12 unit apartment building at a location with 3 more of them, but in the end, the guy was harmless except for the fire hazard. Whats too much, I own about 15 guns, most of which are family heirlooms that are being passed down. Now I keep mine locked in a gun safe, not laying all over the garage. But to me, his crime as far as I can see is not taking care of the weapons, and not securing them properly, not that he is a danger to the world.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2019 12:54 AM

2019-03-02T00:54:47-05:00

My question is is did he even have enough ammo to use 100 of them? I mean just because I have say 10,000 syringe needles doesn’t mean I’m a crazy druggy w/o having the drugs to put in the syringes.

Response by SPC Mike Davis made Mar 2 at 2019 7:57 AM

2019-03-02T07:57:44-05:00

It matters very little if someone owens 5000 or just one firearm. With out ammunition 5000 firearms equals 5000 rocks. It is the ammunition that counts. Without ammunition there is no "bang." So, did he or did he not have ammunition for the firearms? If not what is the problem? if so and he is acting in a very responsible manner, again, what is the problem? As for too many firearms. Well! Life can get pretty boring. A couple of different big bore, little bore days at the range can make a slow day a Hell of a lot of fun. Now to something a little more serious. It is not liberal politicians Firearms owners need to be overly concerned about. I am going to say something that will shock everyone. The most anti-2nd amendment government agency is America's police departments. The majority of the police departments would be most happy to confiscate legal weapons. So, when someone reads a report on citizens with a firearm(s) it will always be in the most negative light. Just a thought to keep in mind when someone reads a "news????" or police report. A citizen with a firearm is a .....citizen! A subject without a firearm is a ........subject!!!!

Response by 2LT Earl Dean made Mar 2 at 2019 1:01 PM

2019-03-02T13:01:18-05:00

If they are stored like the picture shows yes we should be. Some people I know have twenty or more guns but they like collecting them ad use them to do what they enjoy, sket shooting, rabbits and general hunting. If you look at the way they keep them it's nothing like this picture shows. I think before taking there guns they should be evaluated.

Response by Maj Ron Johnson made Mar 2 at 2019 1:33 PM

2019-03-02T13:33:48-05:00

What a stupid question. I worry more about liberals trying to take our guns and ruin our country with liberals/socialist ideas.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2019 9:16 PM

2019-03-02T21:16:11-05:00

Given the number of firearms it's not an arsenal, it's a collection.

Response by Harriet Nix made Mar 3 at 2019 5:19 PM

2019-03-03T17:19:20-05:00

I think the better question is, if this man is a Veteran, why is he living in run-down conditions ? Does he have a service-related disorder, such as PTSD that he is not being treated for ? It's entirely possible that the Sheriff's Dept. in that county will find that the gentleman was improperly evaluated by the CRT upon discharge. (if he is indeed a Veteran )

Response by LCDR Scott Stroman made Mar 3 at 2019 5:19 PM

2019-03-03T17:19:41-05:00

The only part of this that concerns me is the number of weapons (so far) that have determined to have been stolen. We need the "Paul Harvey" on this story.

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Mar 3 at 2019 6:59 PM

2019-03-03T18:59:11-05:00

"Sinister stockpile"? Oh please, who writes this bullhockey? What's sinister about a firearms collection. This guy apparently had more money than sense since he didn't store them properly. I saw at least three in the photo that I'd like to have! Unfortunately, at my age I'm looking to sell a few rather than buying any more. I used to do a LOT of shooting but...oh well! But while I do agree that the number is a little ridiculous it would appear that he didn't go out and shoot up a schoolhouse or a church so what's the problem?

Response by TSgt Dave Beem made Mar 3 at 2019 9:06 PM

2019-03-03T21:06:47-05:00

Ok, my take is different. IF the guy had them all registered by serial number in his name, he's fine. HOWEVER (comma), if they weren't SECURED (as in a bank vault for that many guns) he could have been easily robbed (or shot and robbed considering how many weapons were available at hand just walking in the door), THEN we have a problem. Because one gang banger or crackhead could wind up arming a shitload of his buddies, to the point that the local cops would have been sorely outgunned.

Let's see, take over a MALL? Call the national guard. 2000 gang bangers with two guns each and probably unlimited ammo (assuming the owner had ammo for all those guns, and his house burned, you'd have some very short trees in his neighborhood..lol) and assuming that a thousand were corroded beyond a quick fix (can you imagine trying to keep 5000 guns clean and oiled in your own house?) So the problem here isn't "That guy", nor his rights. The PROBLEM is the weapons are NOT secured.

Personally I think the guy should have picked maybe his favorite 100 guns, sold the rest, cleaned up his yard, renovated his house, and then taken a nice long tropical vacation with the proceeds. Even if they only brought 200 bucks each, that's a MILLION BUCKS! Or even a hundred each, that's a cool half mil, tax free! And I'm sure the majority of them would have brought more. But I think you can see my point here.

I don't care HOW many weapons a guy has. Would the cops have busted him for 5000 compound BOWS? If he was a licensed dealer, he'd probably be fine. Or, lets say, 5000 crossbows (which are illegal in quite a few states..yet guns are legal? A crossbow can kill you just as dead as a bullet can (just ask General George Custer about that..lol)

The bottom line is that they needed to ALL be registered properly in his name to be legal and flipping common sense says you don't have FIVE THOUSAND weapons laying in plain sight all over your house. If they were housed in a climate controlled room/vault in his house (like solid concrete walls and a solid steel door that would have taken a pickup truck to blow thru) then hey, knock yourself out. But having them laying out where some crackhead could find them (the guy HAS to go out for groceries at least, right?) is just plain irresponsible Now, having say, a .45 under the bed, a 10 gauge in the closet by the front door and say, a couple mounted over the fireplace (out of reach), I can see. Maybe even a hand cannon in each room of the house (two in the bathroom, just in case you get caught with your pants down..lol) but the rest should have been stored properly and locked up. And he needed to be in compliance with whatever state and federal laws applied to him, including having a dealers license if the state required one for him having so many weapons.

Plus a SHIT TON of liability insurance just in case, because in this SUE ME generation, I'm sure if someone got killed by one of the guns he had laying around (that got stolen, I mean, did he inventory them every single day to be sure one didn't go missing?) they'd sue his happy butt. If they could acquit OJ in a criminal trial but convict him in a civil trial then they'd HANG this guy, right?).

I wonder if the guy actually realized the total value of all those guns. If it was me, and my uncle died and I walked into his house and saw that, I'd be having the auction from hell, after picking out maybe 25 favorites (if he had a stainless steel Colt Model 1911 combat commander, that would be first on the list since I sold mine 30 years ago and haven't found one since), maybe an old .470 Winchester lever action (like Tom Selleck used in that movie Quigly down under), my granddad's sears over and under 8 gauge shotgun (first shotgun I ever fired and first dislocated shoulder I ever had, at age 8. Poor rabbit was a smear in a 6" deep trench. I thought granddad would never stop laughing. I pulled both triggers at once..idiot 8 year old that I was, I could barely hold the damned thing up far enough to aim at the rabbit. I think Granddad did that with the express purpose of demonstrating OVERKILL..lol)

Add a desert eagle .50. And if he had a Barrett, one of those and a springfield armory M14 sniper rifle, or an H&K equivalent. And SELL the rest of them, fix up my house, my 3 cabin cruisers (BOAT does mean Break Out Another Thousand, after all) and get my 4wd diesel dually crew cab rebuilt again and then go enjoy life!

Response by Christopher Oates made Mar 3 at 2019 9:45 PM

2019-03-03T21:45:52-05:00

The fact you even ask such a question should frankly relieve you of your rank and relegate you to KP duties for the rest of your hitch.

Response by SGT Brad Baier made Mar 3 at 2019 10:13 PM

2019-03-03T22:13:29-05:00

No, why is it any concern if he hasn't done anything illegal.

Response by CPL John B made Mar 4 at 2019 6:56 AM

2019-03-04T06:56:46-05:00

What he does with his money and time is his business as long as it is legal. A hord like that is NOT sinister unless it is to be used illegally. Now, should he be allowed to keep them, evil doers will probably try and steal them. Should the Sheriff confiscate the collection, it should be evaluated by a reputable gun dealer and a fair market price paid to him.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2019 7:49 AM

2019-03-04T07:49:53-05:00

No.

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Mar 4 at 2019 8:44 AM

2019-03-04T08:44:20-05:00

Only if the house catches on fire but to the ammo

Response by PO1 Thomas Williams made Mar 4 at 2019 10:29 AM

2019-03-04T10:29:33-05:00

The comments I read here are astounding. Because some us us want reasonable gun control does not mean we are anti-gunners! I am all for the second amendment and own my own weapons. But what I see happening out there concerns me sometimes. The idiot that stores his weapon in a kitchen drawer or on top of his refrigerator! It actually happens. Then their child finds it and shoots their friend or classmate.

Remember all weapons start out as legal, then somewhere along the way they become illegal! They are stolen, stored irresponsibly or sold to someone that shouldn’t have a gun! How about we start holding the irresponsible gun owners responsible. If your gun is stolen through your own negligence , you are held responsible for what ever someone does with that weapon.

Now because I want reasonable gun control doesn’t mean I hate guns. In fact I love them , always have, one reason I became a gunners mate! But full background checks are needed, no loopholes for gun shows or private sales. Lets do the righ thing and that includes not shoving everyone into a corner calling names and just flat out being pathetic. Treat everyone with respect and dignity and we wouldn’t have so many problems.

By the way I have no problem with anyone owning as many guns a# they want, so long as they are responsible gun owners. Do they store them properly? From the looks of this guy, the way he has them, there is no way he could properly account for all of his weapons m and that is a bad thing!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2019 10:45 AM

2019-03-04T10:45:22-05:00

theres no such thing as too much. someday we may be glad that there are collectors like this so that we can liberate ourselves from tyranny

Response by SGT(P) David Gravely made Mar 4 at 2019 10:50 AM

2019-03-04T10:50:30-05:00

Why refer to it as a "sinister stockpile" when it is, in fact, nothing more than a collection? Are we going to start going into the homes of people who collect Hot Wheels cars or Beanie Babies next and questioning why they choose to do that?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2019 1:07 PM

2019-03-04T13:07:29-05:00

Why is it called a "sinister stockpile" -- Looks to me like he's got a good start. Two things --100 million American gun owners shot no one in the past 10-years, and -- think of it as an investment. The value keeps going up thanks to twits like Pelosi and DiFi -- Obama was "America's Number One Gun Salesman" for 8-years straight. LOL

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Mar 4 at 2019 1:17 PM

2019-03-04T13:17:09-05:00

Nope, During the Civil War, a number of Brigades and Militias were armed by their Commanding Officer once they were formed. Maybe he's just following a tradition or preparing because of the "Posse Comitatus Act" of 1878.

Response by SrA Fred Callihan made Mar 4 at 2019 1:48 PM

2019-03-04T13:48:10-05:00

No....he has a right to bear arms....probably most don't work...did he have ammo for them?...this is fake news.....

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2019 6:38 PM

2019-03-04T18:38:41-05:00

Well, this post set me to looking at different States' laws (as a refresher). Glad I live in Arizona where "concealed carry" is addressed -- not as a "gun" issue -- but a "clothing issue." We don't care if you display your gun(s) or wear a Hawaiian shirt for cover -- The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution IS our permit to carry.
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The article stated: "“I don’t know if there’s ever been (a seizure) this big anywhere before.” As for who has the "biggest stash" -- Believe me, there are, and have been, much "bigger" -- 'Try Mesa, AZ newspapers back in the 1980's -- or most anywhere in Kentucky, today. Bottom line: If anyone is offended by gun collectors (or crazy hoarders) they're probably not getting out of the house much.

Response by SFC Kevin Bradley made Mar 4 at 2019 6:50 PM

2019-03-04T18:50:22-05:00

Going by sheer number? No problem at all. A collection used to be called exactly that. The public has been conditioned to think "arsenal" instead of collection, and that 1,000 rounds of ammunition is a stockpile. That same use of terms, is less than sympathetic to gun owners, and is probably more akin to a sinister innuendo. My only concerns are 1, the story indicates that some are reportedly stolen Did he steal them, or did he purchase them without knowing they were stolen? 2, the condition of storage is sad, but that may be more a matter of personal preference. My guess, is that folks impression of this will be more based on their own personal bias than anything else.

Response by PO2 Bull Halsey made Mar 5 at 2019 1:13 AM

2019-03-05T01:13:20-05:00

I have to think that the War of Words is the most deadly war we have faced. It causes bloodshed and tragedy by inflaming emotionas beyond thinking. Consider what you are saying and what the other persuasion is saying. The pen being mightier than the sword rings true in this war to persuade the ignorant populace that even the imagination of danger is an act of violence and conviction of guilt.
Regardless of the value of the concept, watch the language of the entitled, and you will see a sharply pointed rapier close to your throat with hatred and terror gripping the hilt.

Response by SPC Steve Oxley made Mar 5 at 2019 6:31 AM

2019-03-05T06:31:26-05:00

The point is mute as its already been established the Sheriff's Dept. was there investigating and that most of the weapons were stolen.

Response by CPO Elaine Robson made Mar 5 at 2019 10:38 AM

2019-03-05T10:38:37-05:00

While owning guns should be a right, stealing and hoarding is not a right. Something wrong with this man who appeared to live in chaos. Taking others things illegally, no matter what they are, isn't right. So, having a number of firearms myself, I cannot say that having a lot is wrong, BUT the manner in which he obtained and stored them IS wrong. Something must have triggered the LEOs search of his place. So far we haven't gotten to the search for no particular reason. Yet...

Response by SPC Franklin Means made Mar 5 at 2019 10:13 PM

2019-03-05T22:13:01-05:00

This is so stupid. If he broke the law in getting the guns then by all means he should take the punishment. However, if he got them the right way then stop using him as a gun grab reason because you are scared of what he could do. 2A protects our right to keep and bear arms. Leave it alone...

Response by Sgt Raymond Mirabile made Mar 6 at 2019 12:59 AM

2019-03-06T00:59:56-05:00

So what was so "Sinister"? That's the way the media puts slick little statements in a story to bias the reader without coming right out with it. They are clever little guttersnipes.

Response by LCDR Peter Tonnessen made Mar 6 at 2019 7:36 AM

2019-03-06T07:36:46-05:00

No.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2019 8:27 AM

2019-03-06T08:27:09-05:00

My name is Robert Smith. I retired from the Marine Corps after 24 years of service. The only thing I see wrong with this gun owner is he needs to learn how to clean and store his weapons. Whether he has 5 or 50 or 500 or 5000 is not the point. How he wants to spend his money is his concern and no one else's. Hardware store owners have thousands of possible weapons. Does that make him a threat? It is interesting to note how many anti-gun advocates there are. Most of them (Hollywood, Liberals) have bodyguards who are armed. Let's make it simple - Guns do not shoot people. People do. After 24 years in the Corps, I have yet to see a weapon load a mag or insert a mag into a weapon or all by itself shoot someone without the help of some Idiot

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2019 1:16 PM

2019-03-06T13:16:27-05:00

Your use of the terms "hoard," "amassing," "sinister," and "stockpile" are used to editorialize that a man owning 5,000 guns is inherently bad. Unless you're assuming he was planning on getting into some kind of firefight or supplying some type of insurgency, that's not the right way to approach this. If the Second Amendment is as sacred as the others, then we must not treat it differently than the others; i.e., we do not place prior restraints upon its exercise, and we do not curtail the exercise of that right without very good reasons. Heaven help me, there's people out there whose exercise of the First Amendment goes beyond distasteful and into the outright treasonous, seditious, and dangerous. But we don't curtail their rights simply because I perceive their use to be an abuse until we have a very specific and very good reason to do so.

Response by SP6 Stacy Worley made Mar 6 at 2019 6:25 PM

2019-03-06T18:25:52-05:00

Key word? Stolen.

Response by SP5 George Traylor made Mar 7 at 2019 8:12 AM

2019-03-07T08:12:08-05:00

well if the media put this out I dont believe it.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2019 10:39 PM

2019-03-07T22:39:25-05:00

Has he harmed anyone? Threatened anyone. Been certified mentally incompetent?
If not, what business is it of anyone what he chooses to spend his money on?
I worry more about the repeat violent criminals our national hoard of Ambulance Chasers get off and let back out on the street.
Worry more about the repeat DUIs driving around.
Worry more about what you, your family, your kids are doing rather than some guy who has done nothing wrong.
Even if he did, someday go off the reservation, you can only shoot 1 at a time.

Response by CPL Walter Drumm made Mar 7 at 2019 11:24 PM

2019-03-07T23:24:18-05:00

Read up on the late Mr. Merle Devilbiss of Taneytown MD. His collection put this guy to shame. That aside, was he hurting or threatening anyone? If not then who cares?

Response by SSG Michael Davis made Mar 8 at 2019 4:48 AM

2019-03-08T04:48:55-05:00

Which is worse: 5,000 guns in the hands of one person, or 5,000 guns in the hands of 5,000 people?

Also: How many of those guns have harmed another person while he has owned them?

Those, to me, are better questions to ask.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2019 8:12 AM

2019-03-08T08:12:11-05:00

Should we be worried? No... He only has 2 hands.

Response by MSgt Ted C Hall made Mar 8 at 2019 10:12 AM

2019-03-08T10:12:12-05:00

The stolen guns concern me, the rest haven't threatened society yet. This is a bunch of whining by folks that can't conceive of shooting a few hundred rounds for practice in a day... or over a weekend of competition.

Response by Terry Pinion made Mar 8 at 2019 7:46 PM

2019-03-08T19:46:07-05:00

No if he wants to collect firearms thats his right to spend his money on what he wants, just like some collect cars or knives, sports memorabilia or toys pursuing happiness is the american dream isnt it, so long as an activity isnt illegal or immoral go for it

Response by Terry Pinion made Mar 8 at 2019 7:47 PM

2019-03-08T19:47:23-05:00

No we shouldnt care what he has so long as its not immoral or illegal, its none of anyone elses bussiness what anyone spends their hard eraned money on

Response by Todd B made Mar 9 at 2019 4:25 AM

2019-03-09T04:25:46-05:00

Obviously, many commenters have not read the full article. Nicholson was hardly what we would call a model citizen. He was originally arrested for possessing stolen weapons, trafficking in opiates and vehicular violations. A deputy was serving a subpoena when he noticed stolen property. A warrant was obtained before searching his property.

I don’t have a problem in gun ownership, I firmly believe in my 2nd amendment rights, I carry a weapon with me, but this guy is not some poster child for second amendment rights. It’s good to have him out of circulation.

Final thought. Why is this story popping up now? It was originally published in 2015.

Response by SFC Michael Peterson made Mar 9 at 2019 11:25 AM

2019-03-09T11:25:09-05:00

The only problem I see is, the allegation that some of the guns were stolen. If they were legally purchased and, not used in a violent crime, I see nothing wrong. Who cares how many guns the guy has? The pictures I saw showed only hunting rifles and shotguns. There was no "scary black rifles", "ghost guns", or "30 caliber clips" that seem to terrify the gun control crowd. My last point is "the person who dies with the most toys, wins".

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2019 11:33 AM

2019-03-09T11:33:20-05:00

NO...NOT A ALL... WHY SINISTER STOCKPILE ..THATS NITS... HE LIKED TO COLLECT GUNS, IVE GOT GUNS, NOT AS MANY BUT IVE GOT THEM... HOPE NO ONE REPORTS ME ABOUT MY WESTERN COWBOY BOOTS. IVE GOT 30 PLUS PAIRS.

Response by 1SG Dave Carello made Mar 10 at 2019 9:25 AM

2019-03-10T09:25:26-04:00

Since we are "presently" still Americans, I can collect as many guns as I wish and, nobody is going to tell me I cant. I have the RIGHT to Life, Liberty, and pursuit of happiness guaranteed (SO FAR) under the Constitution. What I have is MY BUSINESS.

Response by SGT Evan Farley made Mar 10 at 2019 9:36 AM

2019-03-10T09:36:53-04:00

No, our job is to preserve the liberty of others. Not question it.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2019 2:11 PM

2019-03-10T14:11:24-04:00

I own three guns. A guy who used to work for me in corporate security who is now the director who replaced me owns about 2,000. He said he doesn't have much time to go to the range any more due to his job.
He did live on a ranch/farm where they shot all the time for fun.
He's about as trustworthy as they come and that doesn't bother me. You have to personally the know the person to make that statement.

Response by Cpl Tyler Therrien made Mar 10 at 2019 2:30 PM

2019-03-10T14:30:26-04:00

First off what business of yours or anyone's what a man chooses to spend his own money on? If he has 5,000 stamps or farm tractors or widgets, who cares? The bright side of his "collection" is there are 5,000 firearms NOT in the hands of gangs or other outlaws but under the control of a law abiding citizen! "Sinister stockpile"? Reuters keep your left wing snowflake editorializing to yourselves! Had he threatened anyone? Why were the sheriffs there in the 1st place? There are no and SHOULD BE NO limits on what a man owns legally. Where is the ACLU on this man's constitutional rights being stomped asunder? Windowless front door? SO WHAT? My front door has no window, it faces due west and anyone who has been in MO in the summer would know why no window. This entire article and the event it details stinks of government overreach.

Response by SGT Patrick Oxford made Mar 10 at 2019 8:25 PM

2019-03-10T20:25:12-04:00

No, how many guns can he shoot at one time?

Response by SSgt Tim Self made Mar 11 at 2019 10:46 AM

2019-03-11T10:46:46-04:00

The number isn't important. What one plans to do with them is important. Jay Leno owns a few hundred cars, how many can he use at once? So he's a collector, same thing. How dangerous is 5k weapons sitting in the corner? As dangerous as my dozen or so sitting in closets, on tables or in cases.

Response by SSG Kevin McCulley made Mar 11 at 2019 12:52 PM

2019-03-11T12:52:09-04:00

I think we should be more concerned about and ideology that supports murdering babies after they are born... It indicates an entire lack of morality that should probably be behind a fence

Response by Cpl Geoff Smith made Mar 11 at 2019 7:02 PM

2019-03-11T19:02:22-04:00

No, the RIGHT of the people to BARE ARMS shall NOT be infringed! As long as he is doing nothing illegal with them it is NOBODY'S business how many he has!

Response by Cpl Brad MarkW made Mar 12 at 2019 1:56 AM

2019-03-12T01:56:24-04:00

A bunch of shotguns and hunting rifles. Nothing to see here unless you're up for politically slanted journalism with statements like this:

"The Nicholson case raises issues that are fueling an increasingly heated national dialogue on the modern-day implications of Americans’ constitutional right to bear arms, which puts no limits on the number of weapons citizens can own." - as if the number of guns you own is a direct indicator that a crime will be committed in the future, therefore it should be a crime.

Or this gem: "Yet when and why Nicholson set out to amass such an arsenal remains a mystery. Investigators are trying to determine whether he was simply a gun-obsessed hoarder or a supply valve in the “Iron Pipeline” of illegal firearms flowing from the south to New Jersey, New York and other northern states." So a guy, absolutely unknown by the ATF may now be a supplier of illegal hunting weapons to super gun restrictive States like NY and NJ. Ohhhh, so THAT's why NY and NJ have such high crime rates! A guy who owns thousands of guns and who won't sell any rifles to people in his community, living in a rural SC county is the problem. “I asked him just about a month ago if he’d sell me a deer rifle,” Burch adds, “and he said he didn’t have any.” - see how that works!

Talk about speculative journalism. Was he also on the Grassy Knoll?

I'll leave with this tired old anti-gun argument - Where's muh mandatory national registration!
"There also is no national gun registration mandate – only some state laws. So, unlike, say, cars, which can be tracked through registrations, guns often have no traceable ownership trail beyond their last sale by a licensed dealer." - and thank God for that! How about we start tracking other rights - like who you voted for and your comments on internet chat boards? That'll help later when the censor police come around for political thought crimes.

Response by SFC Harold Benton made Mar 12 at 2019 11:24 AM

2019-03-12T11:24:17-04:00

I see nothing wrong with owning firearms, actually I believe it is better to own firearms than not. As long as you get the training required to handle them safely. Owning 5 or 5,000 is not wrong on its own. The story indicates some of them may have been stolen, could the owner have reasonably known some were stolen, then that would be a crime. Knowingly possessing stolen property. I see no evidence that the owner committed any crime or planned any crime using any firearm. No harm or foul there. He should have stored them more securely. My guess, he was a hoarder and it was another item for him to hoard. There is an ongoing investigation into possible laws broken. Time will tell.

Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made Mar 12 at 2019 2:50 PM

2019-03-12T14:50:49-04:00

Who cares how many he owns, he’s never done anything wrong with them and no matter the number he can still only use one at a time,

Response by Eric Lund made Mar 13 at 2019 1:59 AM

2019-03-13T01:59:39-04:00

The concern is that most of the 5000 guns were stolen showing that gun owners are not properly storing and securing their firearms. i have very large personal arsenal of weapons not afraid to say it publicly because over half are NFA registered so Uncle Sam knows what i got and where to find them. the ability to mass weaponry is not a concern as collectors should have the right to do so if they choose to. the fact that the weapons seized in this post were all civilian arms some illegally modified but still civilian small arms shows the continued success of the real war on guns. when was the last time you heard about a guy getting busted or a terrorist attack by a person using military hardware mines grenades rockets mortars heavy machine guns which are readily available on the market especially old soviet and Chinese stockpiles and american weapons given captured or abandoned in the third world. it doesn't happen in the US. why because there is no street level black marked for military arms they are content using the inferior civilian lookalikes. the issue we should be concerned with is the failure of the american people to take responsible care to secure their weapons as it leaves them open to fall into the hands of children or criminals but there is nothing you can do about it you really cant legislate "prevention of stupid"

Response by Sgt Heriberto Salinas made Mar 15 at 2019 8:21 PM

2019-03-15T20:21:28-04:00

MAJ Alvin B., you forgot. How many cigars is too many? I know people who have accumulated about 5000 cigars in a collection. Now that's a worthwhile hobby!

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Mar 16 at 2019 8:03 AM

2019-03-16T08:03:06-04:00

If any of these weapons were stolen, this guy has lotsa splainin to do. Other than that, has he threatened anyone? Obviously, they should've been secured. That said, has he brandished or discharged any? Used them in a careless manner? Otherwise, it's nobody's business how many cars, knives, boats or anything else a man or woman has. It always intrigues me when people insist they're strong advocates of the 2nd Amendment, and yet they sing the same song as the anti crowd, maybe not as loud, but it all adds up to the same thing.

Response by PO2 Geoffrey LeNoir made Mar 19 at 2019 10:15 AM

2019-03-19T10:15:45-04:00

Can't get much clearer than: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. I live by this Amendment and support it 100%

Response by GySgt David Andrews made Mar 20 at 2019 11:46 AM

2019-03-20T11:46:43-04:00

Where any ever used in a crime? If not it’s his money and he is not harming anyone then it’s his business and no one else’s unless he harms someone.

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Mar 20 at 2019 1:33 PM

2019-03-20T13:33:45-04:00

why? where's the army that would use those 5000 guns? Having a stockpile of firearms is meaningless when you don't have a person to go with each....

Response by SGT John Creager made Mar 21 at 2019 8:14 PM

2019-03-21T20:14:54-04:00

Only if you don't believe or defend the Constitution. Who cares how many guns he has, it is no ones business.. Who cares how much ammo he has> again no ones business!

They are nothing but a rock or hammer until used properly or improperly.

Response by SSgt Richard Kensinger made Mar 28 at 2019 2:42 PM

2019-03-28T14:42:22-04:00

I used to own a 22 that I used for target practice. It actually came in handy on the firing range. In the military I was an AF ER medic. I did not have to shoot anybody and nobody was shooting at me. However I am keenly aware of the damage they can do. I still have my bow and arrows that I got at age 15. This hoarding of WMD really bothers me. We lost over 58,000 soldiers. And sadly we did kill children, women, and the elderly during the Vietnam Conflict.
Rich

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Mar 28 at 2019 9:34 PM

2019-03-28T21:34:52-04:00

Well, obviously if some are reported stolen, that raises eyebrows, but otherwise, why should I care? If they had all been purchased legitimately, it would be no one's business how many he had. I'm just jealous, though.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Mar 28 at 2019 10:09 PM

2019-03-28T22:09:21-04:00

This is as bad as the one billion dollar inventory loss in Kuwait last year. Rock islands official comment was we will try to do better GAO. When I was inspected by Army Audit Agency in the Netherlands APS2 I had to teach them how to inspect us.

Response by William Davis made Mar 29 at 2019 8:59 PM

2019-03-29T20:59:01-04:00

I have weapons from the early 1800s that have been passed down for generations and many are non operable in a safe manner, but the media would call it a gun horde.....We have always had a large fowl shooting family so acquiring shotguns has always been a family tradition..... In my opinion I would rather have them in a safe individuals hands than a thug or criminal.

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made Mar 31 at 2019 8:23 AM

2019-03-31T08:23:39-04:00

The real truth is we never own firearms we just take care of them for our lifetimes and then someone else takes that responsibility over from us.

Response by MAJ John Moran made Apr 3 at 2019 6:07 PM

2019-04-03T18:07:44-04:00

Why is a pile of rifles “sinister”.

PV1 “Diaper” Hassan’s one koran and one brand new gun killed more soldiers than this other guys 5,000 guns.

Gay/trans PV1 Manning did more damage to the USA with his lipstick, a Lady GaGa CD and a laptop than this other guys 5,000 rifles.

So in applying past observations to curent awareness, the dumpy Maj that preaches jihad, and the effeminate SPC with gay/trans activist aspirations is who need to watch.

The gun owners are just good ole country boys.

Response by CPO John Wesley made Apr 11 at 2019 4:59 PM

2019-04-11T16:59:10-04:00

What????only 5000 guns, I would say he is just about out.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Apr 12 at 2019 8:16 PM

2019-04-12T20:16:01-04:00

The only concern that is feasible is the potential of theft by those who aren't interested in legally possessing weapons
Otherwise it is good to see people exercising their second amendment rights. Hope I here about his aution if he decides to sell any or all.

Response by SGT Thomas Seward made Apr 21 at 2019 11:42 AM

2019-04-21T11:42:01-04:00

He sounds like a hoarder, just like on the TV show. It’s a mental illness that needs to be dealt with by professionals.
As far as having a bunch of guns, how many is too many? I know of people with 30+ guns in their personal collection. As long as they are legal and properly secured, I don’t have a problem with that.

Response by SP5 Jeannie Carle made May 20 at 2019 1:20 AM

2019-05-20T01:20:44-04:00

IMHO - the main concern here is the "stolen" ones. We have a serious thief in our midst. THAT is the problem, FAR more than the # of weapons he had. I think he has a psychological issue that needs to be addressed, but I am completely with you - solid proof that no matter how many you have - they do NOT run around killing people. NOT going to discuss on the net what I have - but guess what? Mine haven't killed anyone either - as far as I know LOL - not since I"VE owned them. Not what I have mine for.

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made May 20 at 2019 9:13 AM

2019-05-20T09:13:29-04:00

Meh, he hoarded arms the way people tend to hoard all kinds of things. I don’t find it particularly dangerous other than a tripping hazard. Probably most were just sitting there collecting dust.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made May 21 at 2019 8:56 AM

2019-05-21T08:56:01-04:00

He can only use 1 at a time to ne any good... but 5k is merely a collection. Haven't begun to tell you what mine would look like. Military style wwii collectors, rare collectables, modern or future looking. Some with and without firing pins. Hunting or sport usage, wall hangers to every day usage. 5k is a bit, but who cares, these guns never killed anyone that we kow of

Response by PO3 Wade Conner made May 23 at 2019 2:57 AM

2019-05-23T02:57:56-04:00

Shall not be infringed

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made May 24 at 2019 10:05 AM

2019-05-24T10:05:27-04:00

The second amendment is crsp
.Heston. North. Crap. You too bush senior. Your stamp is crap.

Response by PO2 Michael Galey made May 31 at 2019 12:19 AM

2019-05-31T00:19:14-04:00

I could be so lucky! It's his Constitutional right however he should have a better way to secure them from theft. The anti gunners love to expound how this isn't logical well what about Jay Leno's garage? Is there a reason he has so many cars?? Yes he is a a collector as is this guy and would I love to talk to him about a purchase or two.

Response by BG Mike Bridges made Jun 3 at 2019 1:17 AM

2019-06-03T01:17:02-04:00

Did you all miss that a lot of these were stolen?

Response by SFC Mark Bailey made Jun 4 at 2019 9:55 PM

2019-06-04T21:55:41-04:00

"The ease of amassing arms in the U.S."
From what I remember, there are 393,000,000 firearms in the USA currently registered amongst 327,000,000 people living in the USA. This does not account for the number of non-adults, and Americans of non-legal age, and of course only accounts for legally registered firearms and not the illegal unregistered weapons criminals typically are better known for.

This guy had 5,000 of these and in doing so reduced the aggregate number of divisible weapons that the rest of the population had.

Simpler terms, he had a bunch of weapons in his possession preventing a bunch of others from possessing them.... and as was stated earlier, none of these 5,000 weapons jumped out of the garage and loaded themselves and mysteriously went off on its own injuring anyone else.

I dont see a problem at all, especially considering that a 2018 poll among prisoners shows that more than 50% of all weapons those prisoners used were purchased on the black market or outside of any regulatory control

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Response by SGT John Quick made Jun 6 at 2019 10:54 AM

2019-06-06T10:54:36-04:00

My question is, why were they seized??

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Jun 6 at 2019 1:26 PM

2019-06-06T13:26:56-04:00

No.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 10 at 2019 9:20 PM

2019-06-10T21:20:49-04:00

No.... he's a gun nut (Collector) that has never harmed anyone. I know several people here in Texas that own hundreds of guns. They just like collecting guns, like some people like collecting stamps or coins.
Besides, how many of his 5000 guns can he shoot at one time?

Response by 1SG Tom Carter made Jun 15 at 2019 4:19 PM

2019-06-15T16:19:37-04:00

Why would the amount of weapons he has have anything do do with if he is a danger of being a mass shooter? It only takes one weapon to do that if they were so inclined.
I have a friend who collects knives; he has hundreds of them. Does this make him any more dangerous that someone who only has one or two knives?

As to how so many were amassed, it make me think of clint Eastwood in Gran Torino talking about his tools. "A man acquires this over a period of 50 years"

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2019 12:00 AM

2019-06-25T00:00:11-04:00

Yes, we absolutely should be concerned as officers of the government that whack jobs like the ones in Oregon can decide on a whim that it’s time for a revolution and that those of us who wear the uniform are the enemy.

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Jul 1 at 2019 6:12 AM

2019-07-01T06:12:49-04:00

The infamous disclaimer, "I'm a gun owner and I believe in the Second Amendment. But,,," This isn't the first anti gun post by the OP. To date, the authorities haven't been able to link this guy to any untoward activities with his "sinister stockpile." Why not be honest Col, and say, "The Second Amendment just applies to those I deem worthy."

Response by SFC James Tihanyi made Jul 6 at 2019 10:42 PM

2019-07-06T22:42:56-04:00

So what? If one can amass $100 billion? Bezos at al. Arnold has a tank from Austria! Are we in the; "Land of the free?" Or what? My Uncle, retired Captain, WW1, had 3, 'Flaubert', hunting rifles, in Budapest, Hungary, He had to destroy them, on order of the Communist Government! No Thanks!!

Response by SPC Ricky Poe made Jul 7 at 2019 3:44 PM

2019-07-07T15:44:59-04:00

Something everyone seemed to miss in the article (or just did not read all of it) is that when they ran the serial numbers of some of the guns they cam up stolen, that my fellow military members is a criminal act, and to have just one stolen gun, well there goes your right to the 2nd Amendment forever.

Why would you have stolen guns to start with?unless you were selling them illegally is the only thing I could think of. Also what made them look at him as well. And if you have a nice collection of 5000 or more guns would you just leave them laying thrown about like this guy did? I know I wouldn't.

I would have built a nice STF bunker under ground in several land/sea shipping containers coated outside with all the way around with rhino lining so they never leak then have them set up like they were in the arms room.... just saying

Because if you can afford 5000 guns you can afford to have a great way to store and safe guard them too. Plus who the hell would want to maintain that many guns by yourself.

That would be like paying the golden gate bridge you would being all year long and having to start over when your done

So yes 5000 guns for one person is just waaaaay to many

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Jul 13 at 2019 7:44 AM

2019-07-13T07:44:13-04:00

Far as I am concerned if he is a law abiding citizen he can have as many as he wants. However, now that it’s known he should be watched.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Jul 17 at 2019 1:34 PM

2019-07-17T13:34:04-04:00

Question: What stock of ammo?
Any literature, history, record of "issues?"

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Aug 4 at 2019 1:54 PM

2019-08-04T13:54:56-04:00

So he had a giant collection of firearms. He didn't go out on a mass shooting spree with any of them. People who have money collect many things, guns, cars,etc. The rest of us get to collect things over the years.

Response by SMSgt Gerry Mitchell made Aug 6 at 2019 6:22 PM

2019-08-06T18:22:22-04:00

Why do these posts show up four year after the fact in rallypoint.com?
Almost every single I got today is way over a year old.

Response by LCpl Roy McMillan made Aug 26 at 2019 5:37 AM

2019-08-26T05:37:17-04:00

If the man has not communicated and violent crimes or threaten to harm someone, it is NO Concern of the Government or Anyone Else, what that person does with their money. Remember... It is the Bill of Rights, Not the suggested needs of the collective.

Also remember, that the 2nd Amendment is their to protect the citizens, in case the government decides to give an unlawful order to disarm the populace and some idiots in the military go against the Constitution and obey the government.

Response by LTC John Bush made Sep 8 at 2019 11:17 PM

2019-09-08T23:17:08-04:00

so what? All they are is wood and metal until a person does something with them, most were probably junk anyway if the pictures are any indication of how they were stored.

Response by SPC Rostyslaw Caryk made Oct 3 at 2019 6:15 PM

2019-10-03T18:15:27-04:00

From the responses I have seen so far, just about everyone here has no problem as it is his right and he is not hurting anyone. Apparently a good number of the guns had the registrations filed out making the sheriff though many were stolen. But then, the question and responses ignore that an go back to the general question of his right to have as many as he wants. So if someone broke in and stole from him, then committed an armed robbery or murder, is he partially responsible? Doesn't he have the responsibility to secure those weapons? If someone responds with "there is no law requiring that", should there not be one? And maybe even a moral obligation? Just wondering.

Response by PO1 Jesse Armstrong made May 24 at 2020 2:21 AM

2020-05-24T02:21:30-04:00

I don't know the full story so I will not speculate and look like an Ass for doing so. However when I usually buy or attain a gun or a rifle I buy it for its future value, I buy what I can use and is reasonable and manageable. As long as I am not breaking and constitutional laws and the weapons are locked away and safe There should be no issues.

Response by PO3 Clarissa Rippee (formerly Buford) made Mar 14 at 2021 4:27 PM

2021-03-14T16:27:54-04:00

Remember the US Constitution, particularly 2A? He has the right to 'buy' as many as his soul desires. PERIOD. FULL STOP.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2021 4:40 PM

2021-03-14T16:40:29-04:00

That is terrifying! Seriously! COL Mikel J. Burroughs

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2021 4:47 PM

2021-03-14T16:47:33-04:00

All gun laws should be repealed

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2021 5:31 PM

2021-03-14T17:31:16-04:00

Why worry? Seems unlikely he can use more than one at a time. Maybe two.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Mar 14 at 2021 10:39 PM

2021-03-14T22:39:52-04:00

Whose business is it regarding what I own?? If he was going to be a problem we'd have found out long ago.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jun 20 at 2021 10:00 PM

2021-06-20T22:00:28-04:00

When Antifa attacks he would be ready.

Response by Sgt Larry Irvine made Sep 11 at 2021 8:56 PM

2021-09-11T20:56:45-04:00

Check the word ‘need’.
Doesn’t apply to freedoms, or rights.
How many spoons do you own?
Do you need that many?
Couldn’t you just wash them when your done?

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Nov 17 at 2022 9:03 PM

2022-11-17T21:03:09-05:00

Shouldn't worry at all...IMHO